I've just stopped taking the snake oil. For me, the lava is the biggest problem, since I play with extra trap damage
#h1-builds-and-combat
naive cobalt
turbid needle
^
It attacks, honestly, too frequently even without Forced Overtime, especially since its attacks frequently leave it invulnerable to damage. If it starts groundpounding repeatedly and you don't have a good ranged weapon you're kinda just screwed.
naive cobalt
Wooooooooo
I finally did 24 heat
The final statue's unveiling scene made it all worth it
naive cobalt
I have to admit tho, that I ran into a very beneficial bug. For some reason Meg's two sisters disappeared halfway into the fight
But we take those
grand patrol
they heard the new underworld she ra season was out they were like. bye we're going home to watch underworld netflix
turbid needle
Tisiphone, though?
errant snow
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/421121303815258113/641741032794488845/image0.png
I don’t know if this is the place for it, but I finally finished my first run after so long and it feels really good. 😁
grand patrol
it sure is the place!! congrats!!! 🎉
minor mauve
congrats!
mild crag
Has anybody here attempted 43 Heat or, dare I say, actually completed it?
naive cobalt
I think somebody maxed out the heat before the Superstar Update.
mild crag
I've seen such runs on YouTube, was just wondering if it's happened since
Is max heat now equivalent to pre-Superstar pact max heat?
turbid needle
Slightly higher.
Pre-SS capped at 200 Heat, new Heat is 5-to-1, so it'd come out to 215 if my math isn't wrong.
naive cobalt
I have to wonder how it'd even be possible to get through there in 6 minutes when you've got 60% more enemies, each of which with 30% more health, and two blue health.
It might just be the deadline that prevents people from making serious attempts at filling out the entire pact rn
hybrid frost
So, I'm having a possible issue. I recall someone else posting about this earlier, but I don't recall anyone answering him, so now that it's happening to me I'm going to ask about it again: The Wretched Broker sometimes offers a trade of 1 Chthonic Key in excange for 20 Skeleton Keys. I've been leveraging this offer to gain C-keys faster, and it would show up as a broker choice every 3-4 runs. Now however, I'v completed 7 runs and died on a further 1 and....nothing. The Wretched Broker seems to have caught wind that I actually like that trade option and so has ceased offering it. I have 56 Skeleton Keys currently, and I'm now begining to wonder if I've farmed them for nothing. Is it possible that SGG hase coded a limited number of this trade option into the game or am I just suffering from horrible RNG?
gloomy scroll
Seems doubtful, as I have also had similar things, such as the music stand offer, be unavailable for a long time before I could even see it once, so I think you will simply have to keep trying. Best of luck with it.
icy mango
I lost several C keys. Made a bug report about it and everything. At the time I earned I think 4 and traded two diamonds for another, but I was only able to actually use 2 of them. The rest disappeared out of inventory. I distinctly remember I had 2 keys, opened up the shield interface, and suddenly only had one.
cursive finch
Are you sure they were C Keys?
icy mango
Yeah. Got them from clearing bosses.
Diamonds were fine, and I haven't lost any C keys since. It only happened for my first couple runs last night.
lost rose
@icy mango did you submit that report this morning/yesterday evening? 42 runs or so?
icy mango
Yeah.
lost rose
I looked into it and didn't see anything obviously missing - you earned 5 C keys total from bosses, spent 3 on mirror unlocks, and spent 2 upgrading Zagreus aspects on your weapons
icy mango
C keys get used on the mirror?
lost rose
They do! The last 3 options, at the bottom of the mirror, require C keys to unlock if I remember correctly
icy mango
Perhaps the very last one does. The ones affecting boon rarity use skeleton keys, or at least used to. I already had them unlocked.
But anyway, if they went into the mirror without me noticing that's fine. Thank you.
lost rose
Had them unlocked before this update? I can look into it again
icy mango
I need to look at mirror again before I can say for sure.
lost rose
Alright!
icy mango
Alright, I had God's Pride unlocked previously. I unlocked Fated Authority with a C key, cuz I definitely did not have 36 skeleton keys. I might have unlocked something else as well without noticing. If I might make a suggestion, I had no idea C keys unlocked mirror traits so used them without meaning to; need to put in some sort of approval query when using a C key seeing as they're so hard to get. Or an optional thing, "Unlock with skeleton key or Cthonic key?" Somethin.
Anywho, thank you. Glad it's not a bug.
lost rose
I double checked the prices and fated authority costs 3 C keys!
so that's where all your keys went 😅
that sounds like a suggestion for #hades-feedback !
lost rose
Oh, you need the role - check the pinned post in the channel
icy mango
yeah, reading it now
turbid needle
Can Chaos boons appear in Pools of Purging?
Just had two show up without it appearing, so I'm gonna go with "no."
kind cloud
is there any video of a sub-20 minute clear time? i can't break 30 minutes so i'm curious about what others are trying that's leading to such faster times.
naive cobalt
Dang Zag should just instantly get promoted to Olympian for running that fast
stable oyster
You make hermes blush if you beat 20 min
cedar mirage
@stable oyster a sub 10 in superstar? Or a previous patch?
tawdry jackal
has anyone ever gotten a lvl.2 legendary before? XD
I didnt know it was even possible, reported bug just to be safe
oh, and I agree that we should be able to hit Q to make BlitzDisc stop advancing and a second time to get it back
otherwise it was a pretty fun run
tawdry jackal
yeah, I was scared by it too, but I counted the seconds on the timer on the top right and it was stil 20 seconds
For a moment I dreaded the reverse upgrade xD
would be cool if Legendaries were upgradeable though....
or DuoBoons
the more broken strong the merrier xD
of course
If we fight to have it that is
if we just mod to have ultra strengh, then i guess it gets boring quickly
native ether
Likely just a visual bug. It's probably not intended to be upgradable.
naive cobalt
I finally got the last music piece. Now I can go back to grinding darkness
wind vale
hmm - duo boons were upgradeable quite some time ago..... anyone got an upgrade for some of the old ones and see if there was an upgrade?
i mean its very unlikely there would be an upgrade for the newer ones that never had upgrades but maybe for old ones and even more if they were in the old version
native ether
since when before eurydice were duo boons ever actually upgradeable?
cause ive never gotten one from a pom
wind vale
im currently playing mdk update on some old backup at the side sometimes
and there i can upgrade athena+artemis
native ether
tbf that's when they were first introduced, if it was in any patch, that would be the one
i feel like that got removed in the beefy update, though maybe im wrong
wind vale
which is guaranteed crit already and increases time
its so insane
imagine it didnt only upgrade it with current values but set it to lvl 2 old version:)
mild crag
hesitant to report it as a bug since i'm not sure it is, but sweet surrender (weak enemies susceptible to damage) and hunters mark (bonus crit chance against marked enemies) both affect thanatos's attacks
just saw that crazy guy crit for 32k damage
either way just amusing, definitely a "stop he's already dead"
fallen quarry
snake oil feels so brutal when they hydra heads just sit back off at the edge of the screen in the lava for all eternity
turbid needle
@vale badger Try pressing your Special button in the middle of two dashes. Dash-Special-Dash will let you skip almost all of the opening frames of Nova.
vale badger
OOH thanks for the tip
turbid needle
Yeah, I always look for Swift Flourish (Hermes Special, removes the start-up almost entirely) when I run Stygius, but this is a usable workaround, especially with Divine Dash.
vale badger
snake oil + hightened security is borderline unplayable in general tbh
Swift makes it actually usable consistently
I kinda hate that its so required though
turbid needle
Snake Oil is one of the biggest force multipliers in the game, and I'd be okay with seeing it nerfed.
vale badger
feel the same way about Bow
bow attack is just a joke unless you get the right build to fix the windup disaster or hard commit to only ever dash-attacking with it
turbid needle
Chiron makes the Bow pretty damn good.
Hang on, lemme see if I've got a VoD of my stream last night, I got huge damage on Deadly Flourish and it melted everything.
vale badger
yeah Chiron build has been my go to I got it up to 8 shots so I get 12 shots out of the hammer
pretty broke with Artemis on it LMAO ^^
turbid needle
I do not have the VoD saved, whoops.
But yeah, was able to drop Alecto's health each phase in at most two volleys.
vale badger
yeah same
tawdry jackal
it happened again xp
luckily it Dio's attack made my build even stronger than Zeus'
it was a close fight ended victorious
30 tries on 24 Heat so far
most deaths at Asphodel
2 deaths at Theseus
15 deaths to traps xp
Feels bad
Like
he had 3 normal boons I wanted from him, and 2 DuoBoons possible
but he offered me exchanges 3 times in a row, and most beautifully 3 exchanges in the last one XD
I dont know if he was uncooperative or just salty today XD
on good news, finally got all Swords and Shields to Legendary ❤
mild crag
I had most problems with traps in Elysium, I swear those statues around the edges of the stage
I walked into them every time
faint sapphire
fallen quarry
I cry inside when I get zues dios or poseidon. only things I find good from them are the bonus damage after using call and poison on special if I'm lacking something to proc 2 conditions for bonus damage.
even when I've had both faster attacking on rail from the hammer and hermes, I've found zeus attack to fall short
though, I guess to be fair, aphrodites attack should be nerfed a bit
Pushing enemies away has been more of a bother to me than help from poseidon
naive cobalt
Zeus is the best DPS attack / special if you get his Legendary, and festive fog is the best cast if you get scintillating feast. I also think Zeus' call is the best overall, excluding maybe Athena, and it stacks with a Zeus-centric build better than any other call except for Ares' (double strike, jolt, high voltage, etc.).
Dio comes second regarding DPS. Blight strike / flourish have pretty good damage outputs and allow you to focus more on dodging than attack (very helpful when dealing with overtime and jury summons). If you get it with a core Aphrodite boon, then you've got super easy privileged status, and a good shot at getting their duo boon, which aids Dio a lot (especially on Chiron bow builds).
Not only is festive fog great with scintillating feast, but if you have blight wine, you've got a good shot at getting black out, which is just an excellent boon all around. Plus he provides high tolerance and positive outlook, which are great boons for tankiness if you have a lot of HP (and HP is easy to get if you're pairing with Aphrodite and take life affirmation).
.
Also Poseidon is amazing if you pair him with Zeus. Sea storm can apply rupture and jolted simultaneously, and the second wave guarantees a ton of damage being applied from those. There is no olympian I'm more thankful to have in the Temple of Styx, because his boon that creates blasts on knockback spurs a chain reaction that essentially one-shots any enemy in those tight corridors if you have the second wave. His dash is also the best dash for dealing with the small rats, imo.
I think his biggest shortcoming is the existence of those two boons that provide resources, because I never want those more than greater damage output, and his boiling point isn't very helpful because I never get hit. :^)
But he can provide exclusive access and sweet nectar, which are AMAZING boons in my opinion. I even suggested exclusive access being nerfed, once.
I think that there may not be a higher damage output than black out, scintillating feast, and Zeus legendary. I haven't run the numbers against a hunting blades build, but it feels much better to me than the blades in this update.
Anyways I felt the need to say that, because Zeus and Dio have been my favorite olympians this past weekend.
turbid needle
Zeus can be extremely powerful, but it requires very high attacks per second. Aphrodite will easily out-damage Zeus with Nemesis Aspect Stygius, but Eris Aspect Exagryph is absolutely tremendous with Lightning Strike.
Zeus and Dionysus do have the best Calls, IMO, unless you can reliably crit with Aphrodite's Aid.
naive cobalt
Yeah when I say best DPS attack, I'm talking like flurry fire + swift strike
Maybe flurry jab too, but Ive generally favored Dio on that so far
I think one of my first wins was when Zeus w/ Legendary was insane on flurry jab builds in the Good Times
They've p much just been continually nerfing my mans since then :'(
turbid needle
See, I feel like Zeus has actually gotten buffs recently. Artemis seems to have been hit worst with nerfs since I started playing shortly before Beefy.
naive cobalt
Oh, did they? Idk what changes they made besides nerfing his call
naive cobalt
Ahh
turbid needle
As far as Hunting Blades goes, it can reach super nutty damage levels, the same as Zeus, but what's more important is that it's incredibly safe damage.
native ether
The only reason the call was nerfed afaik is just cause it was busted with things like Eris aspect
cause even +60% of the old zeus call would have been insane
ionic field
I feel like leveling up Arte should increase crit chance you instead of the crappy damage
naive cobalt
Idk, the extra ~10% damage can mean a lot when it actually crits, and you've got clean kill
If you've got a hammer upgrade to add crit chance to your weapon, then the lowish base crit chance doesn't matter too much
Or if you've got DPS and the hunter's mark
ornate sundial
Is there a compiled table of all the numbers for the different boons anywhere?
Can't make an informed decision if I should switch the rarity OR eat some poms
hollow sierra
yo does the zeus special work with chiron bow?
neon bough
only makes 1 lightning ball I think
pine stratus
naive cobalt
Localization seems to be something they're actively working on rn. Spanish is super popular, so I'm sure that'll be one of the first to come.
naive cobalt
Imo, the best are:
Nemesis Blade
Zagreus Spear
Zeus Shield
Hera Bow
Zagreus Rail
I honestly didn't like the spear whatsoever until I maxed out its Zag aspect. Now I love it
None of its other aspects jive with me. The Rail's alternate aspects feel super gimmicky and niche to me, so I just appreciate 24 ammo
ionic field
Yeah, not a fan of the Rail aspects either
It feels like there's very few things that work well with the reload one besides maybe Ares, and the other feels like a more awkward version of the similar spear and sword aspects
mild crag
Hestia rail is my favourite weapon in the game just because of how good it is with no boons
150 damage, instantly with a massive range
Insane synergy with Artemis
ionic field
How is that DPS when you factor in the reloading? Also, I think crit general benefits most builds equally
mild crag
Still higher dps than standing still and firing, at a guess
Also fair crit works with everything lol
I have noticed as well the empowered shot damage works with explosive shot
(but doesn't work with pierce which I reported as a bug)
It's also a little buggy with some boons like it doesn't knock back with poseiden attack
frosty pier
It doesn't work with a spread and I was so mad... Why we cant have nice things...
ionic field
If Ares scaled with base damage, it would make a good counterpart for slow weapons to what Zeus is for fast ones
ionic field
I tried it with the Q bow with the boon that let you increase the damage each hit. Wasn't bad, wasn't amazing
frosty pier
His cast setup is good, but you need a lot of boons. Doom-boons are good on something like shield special.
mild crag
The blade rift cast?
frosty pier
yup
ionic field
I like his call with the vortex boon
mild crag
I don't like any casts that stop me from using Boiling Blood 
frosty pier
You can do wonders with it and a little knockback
Believe me if you will collect all parts of exodia Ares cast you will not need no boiled blood.
mild crag
Maybe I'll give his cast a chance then
I just avoided everything that said blade rift
Aside from the Call
frosty pier
Well a dash-rift is garbage, undeniable. Cast needs commitment, but it's totally wurf it.
turbid needle
Ares has the two best Duos in the game. Merciful End is a huge DPS monster if you have the right Doom set-up and Deflect trigger (usually Attack->Dash), and Doom is one of the three status curses that is applied on the first boon you pick up, the other two being Weak and Sick. Ma'Sair is right about Slicing Shot needing a lot of love to make it work, but it's part of Hunting Blades.
mild crag
So what do I need to make Ares cast good?
Like what's the combo
Is it just hunting blades is really good?
I've never used it
turbid needle
Slicing Shot is ridiculously high DPS with very little control. It hits ten times per second. There are two tier 2 boons for it and one tier 3, Ares' Legendary.
They affect all of Ares' Blade Rifts.
Black Metal increases the size of the rifts, Engulfing Vortex increases the time they stay on the field before dropping as Bloodstones as well as adding a weak suction effect.
Vicious Cycle increases the damage of the rift by 1 for every consecutive tick on an enemy.
Hunting Blades is a duo with any other core Artemis boon besides True Shot (for obvious reasons). It sets them on a 4.4 second timer and they seek enemies out, even if they're completely across the chamber.
Now consider that Artemis also has several boons that increase the effectiveness of your Cast.
mild crag
Good points
When I thought of Ares I was always focusing on Doom, but that sounds way better
ornate sundial
LOL
Bypassing the second & third stage of Hydra fight with Aphrodite's aid can lead to secondary hydra's heads spawning after the main one is killed
frosty pier
Wow Supreme Pink Commander has no respect for the wicked.
naive cobalt
The benefit of Ares is that he can provide huge damage output on attack/special without investing in base damage. If you're running sword, and investing heavily on the special, then you can put Ares on attack to easily intersperse 80+ damage doom effects between your almost constant specials. If you're investing heavily in attack, you can just put Ares on special for like 100+ doom in between your crits.
That's not to say he can't constitute the bulk of your damage, but doom needs to be on AoE, and you need his duo with Aphrodite. Otherwise, he's basically an offensive support Olympian, and a really good one.
Also the dash is amazing if you have black metal (nothing I'd rather have to deal with elite Styx small rats).
ionic field
Adding some scaling off base damage would make it an interesting counterpart to fast attacks, which synergize with flat damage bonuses. Since there's little benifit to spamming Doom, the bigger single hits you could get, the better
green birch
Doom is great on the base attack of slow weapons like the shield or world splitter sword!
frosty pier
World splitter? NO.
naive cobalt
Is it better than getting Aphrodite for that, tho?
green birch
Sometimes aphro stands you up 😔
native ether
I'd also recommend pairing Blade Rift casts with the Hera Bow. Especially combined with Hunting Blades, it does a fantastic job of delivering your blade to the target faster, which means it spends less time traveling to your target and more time chopping it up.
It also means you don't have to be breathing down an enemy's neck to get maximum effectiveness out of Hunting Blades.
chrome viper
can you get Aphrodite's cast with Hera bow? Haven't seen that one yet
wind vale
its not working properly atm
like only about half the casts hit the main target
i think most hit the area behind the enemy hit with the arrow
chrome viper
does it proc on-hit or does it shoot from where you're standing?
wind vale
its focused at the enemy but seems it doesnt hit if the enemy beause it is too close
kinda strange
chrome viper
I see
native ether
Yeah, mainly why it works so well with blades is because the hardest part about making blades effective is landing good ones.
You have to get super close to get the high damage, which is dangerous when using casts
wind vale
similar to dionysus cast where you circumvent the travel time it usually got(and misses resulting from it)
for blades i still prefer achilles a lot - the bit of travel is more than compensated by the +150% damage boost and you got nice escapes/mobility to go with it
tawdry jackal
oh my god, I cant believe I did it
Ive been trying for so long, and had given up for months
I even got Vicious Cycle in Tartarus still!
the only thing not related to Cast is Hermes boon, but that was ridiculous already, Hades almost clobbered me still XD
tawdry jackal
I met Ares 7 times in this run
I did not wear his Keepsake for a moment XD
kind cloud
vicious cycle is so freaking cash, wrecks everyone and everything
tawdry jackal
but its only really worthy it if you have Hunting Blades
I got Vicious Cycle when I only had his dash and Common Engulfing Vortex, I was like ???
got his Wrath in Styx and his Cast in Asphodel
Artemis was also extremelly compliant with Burst Shot and Fully Loaded
marked and pressure points were also nifty surprises ❤
kind cloud
i haven't gotten vicious cycle in the new update but in the previous one it was UNREAL on max wrath. I was doing 250+ points of damage by the end i melted theseus and minotaur.
tawdry jackal
wow
I was critting for 80-130 with my wrath on Hades and was thinking that was a lot for blade rifts already XD
I only chose his Wrath because of Invulnerability, and I had 1 life only
it hits like, once every 0.1 seconds right?
10 per second
kind cloud
vicious cycle scales up, it starts out low but it scales up ridiculously quickly.
yea something lke that, don't know if it was reconfigured for the new update but i hope not
tawdry jackal
I always try to get my hands on Slicing Shot and hunting blades when Im with Poseidon Aspect but it never seems to work
I had Chaos give me +40% Cast damage tho so tomato-toMAto
turbid needle
That's it, yup.
Used to be 2 points per hit.
I feel like Achilles and Hestia Aspects would actually be best for Cast builds. I haven't maxed Achilles yet, but I know both of them give a higher damage bonus.
tawdry jackal
yeah, Daddy DeGrand says the same
use achiles special, cast twice
rinse and repeat
naive cobalt
Ooh I didn't try that
Late, but I had a vicious cycle + Ares wrath build today, and got to over 100 damage per tick before he died
severe orchid
Could someone explain to me how buff stacking works in this game? I had a run with the spear where I had Artemis dash for 115% dash attack damage, with 2 chaos dash attack damage boons, 1 chaos attack damage boon and a standard attack boon. I assume it's mostly down to the dash attack having terrible base damage, but I was hitting for something like 85-90 damage which feels super low. Am I missing something?
wind vale
i think what you listed should mostly be additive now
so just like 115+chaos1+chaos2+chaos3+baseboon -> maybe+450%?
severe orchid
Yeah
Mega not worth it considering the RSI inducing micro of spamming nothing but the dash attack
wind vale
yea - its why i dont like the spear(except for cast builds, so when im not using the spear attacks basically)
turbid needle
Spawning into Quick Spin is the only way I can stand Varatha.
That, or maxed Zag with Explosive Shot.
Wait, that's not the right one.
The one where it turns your Special into an RPG.
wind vale
i thinkg explisive launcher
turbid needle
Explosive Launcher, that's it.
wind vale
but for these 2 i always want to use sword special or bow explosive shot (like i said quite often 🙂
maybe vicious skewer with backstab stuff is ok but its just not the same(since beefy iirc)
a strange question: im currently trying to get all the gods early enough but it doesnt seem to work - anyone got tips/tricks to have a shot there?
i got no problem getting the final god in styx but i want it before that(before the duo fight) but it seems i got no chance to get that
turbid needle
You're trying to get all 7 Olympians?
I've never been able to do that (though admittedly I haven't really tried).
wind vale
yea trying that
dont care about chaos and hermes but i always end up getting them anyways
and as i said - i always get them all if i try but only in styx, not before
turbid needle
Heat Modifier lets Theseus also call Hermes and Chaos, but because he didn't go through the requisite chambers all that happens is Theseus gets nerfed.
Hermes makes ALL of his actions faster.
fallen quarry
The spear just has really low damage, for the rail and the sword, dash attacks are absurd
wind vale
for the shotgun rail sure but the normal one im not so sure i agree
fallen quarry
I always try to get shotgun on the rail, though explosive shot has higher priority to me
turbid needle
You could put together Hestia with lots of Dash bonuses.
Second-highest base damage in the game before any modifiers.
wind vale
yea tho i go for shotgun and try to get normal attack boni
green birch
It’s very difficult to get all seven Olympians because whichever Olympian you get to start with will influence the run and make you more likely to encounter specific other Olympians
fallen quarry
I'm currently trying to clear the game in under 19 minutes with the rail now heh
wind vale
but there is a chance? 😄
green birch
In theory yes but you would have to get very very lucky
wind vale
oh and i want it before the duo fight so even harder
but i dont really think its that hard to get it with styx
green birch
Oof, that would make it near impossible
turbid needle
Tell that to all the AAAA runs I have that spam the hell out of Poseidon and Dionysus when I make it to Styx.
wind vale
they just want to help you
turbid needle
fallen quarry
sometimes I think the game trips up when you use relics to get gods that a round really refuses to give you, even after the first encounter, though I'd still bet you'd have to pick up the last gods favor in the last zone
wind vale
currently i am near the end of asphodel and i only need dionysus and ares
so ill have to force one of them and hope to get the other
fallen quarry
do you have items from gifts each god gives?
wind vale
yea got everything
just trying to get strange builds now since i got no idea what else to do 😄
round wing
any good strategies to use?
wind vale
depends what you are looking for - everything can be made to work in some way
fallen quarry
I don't consider everything good though, but the game has a lot of ways to play it, it is a good idea to try out several things to find what you like
naive cobalt
You can't really go into an escape attempt with a set strategy in mind. The game is too volatile. Someone could tell you the weapon aspects they like, and the keepsakes they recommend with each aspect, and how to react with each of those aspect / keepsake combinations to the set of Olympians you encounter in Tartarus, what to do regarding each Daedelus and Hermes upgrade you are offered (with respect to those Olympians and your weapon aspect) -- if any, and what to do in each of these states if you don't find a hammer/Hermes boon, or if you do but they don't offer a synergetic upgrade ... and then which keepsake to take in Asphodel based on all of those above factors ... not to mention what to do if Chaos appears, with regard to all of those factors in the current state ... but that would be an extremely complicated web of tactics.
The main thing to keep in mind is:
Hera bow is the best weapon in the game, and if you get scintillating feast, you are guaranteed victory. :P
fallen quarry
even with 2 points into fated authority I feel I have great control over my runs
I'm up to 4 now, but between the trinkets, and rerolling gods you don't want, there is a lot of ways to make most of the runs go the way you want
assuming you're not trying to get a specific cast or boon combo that takes too many specific boons
wind vale
getting a specific cast(on epic+) is easy for me - i only go for a cast run if i get one on the first boon
so i get to pick which one to take and go from there
fallen quarry
Always start with the trinket of the god you want the most things from or that has what you want to play around.
wind vale
i always look what the first thing i get is and go back to pick
for casts especially its quite often that i pick one god i dont need to see later on at all
but also not too rare for other builds that the main thing the build is based on is (almost) the only thing i want from that god
naive cobalt
https://imgur.com/pmSFPem
Just beat Hades' fight in 50 seconds
This build is
completely insane
Tisiphone never got a chance to attack once, because each of her phases ended after 3 lv. 2 festive fogs shot straight into her face (and casts return to you in between her phases)
52% double strike, 6 casts that do 312 damage each, 35% burst shot damage, +22% damage on weak enemies (with +10 seconds)
And ofc the scintillating feast, with epic jolt no less
Only thing missing is black out and flurry cast (and perhaps a higher rarity burst shot)
Honestly I was sooo happy when I got fully loaded right at the end. It was a surprise, but it seriously helped a ton.
And geeeez Idk how I'm ever gonna fulfill this now
naive cobalt
:I
I hope that the next build makes darkness easier to get. I'm currently sitting on 16 gemstones that I'd love to cash out
naive cobalt
I meant to say 16 diamonds, oop. But they don't get offered each time I enter the house, so I acquire diamonds faster than I can spend them.
naive cobalt
I think so. Folks tell me the Hestia Rail is pretty good when maxed, and I haven't tried that yet. I've got enough keys to unlock it already, tho, and I've got all the other aspects I don't have yet don't seem interesting to me.
turbid needle
I much prefer Eris to Hestia.
turbid needle
Stand in the blast of your Special for an 8 second damage bonus.
This works for Rocket Bomb as well.
wind vale
and affects the bomb/rocket that gives you the buff
turbid needle
That too, which I think is a nice touch.
wind vale
only reason it sort of works for me at all
turbid needle
8 seconds is a long time.
ember lotus
So, messing around Achilles spear aspect, if you hit both
attack and special to retrieve the spear you can begin charging the spear attack without using one of the charges of Raging Rush.
tawdry jackal
Is it possible to have every single debuff in the game?
I understand that'd demand a lot of luck getting the right boons and also getting to meet every god, but that sound like a very funny build, even if not that hight on dps
maybe even pair it up with Revengefull Mood
We can have Exposed, Weak, Jolted and Doom all be applied by Vengefull Mood, so it doesnt actually occupy a attack slot
Then we atill have Poison, Ruptured and Marked missing?
oh, and this for the Spear build, any aspect
Zagreus, the debuff god
every few seconds, the air compresses around him and it explodes in anguish, hatred, broken hearts, paranoia and self-doubt
leaving enemies with Weak, Doom, Exposed and Jolted
his main attack leave enemies Marked For Death, more likely to be hit by stray projectiles and take critical damage
His Special flies between enemies, just scraping them and going for the next before coming back to him, each person hit by his Special gets Intoxicated
his casts send water bullets that explode in crashing waves strong enough to drown and break bones
im thinking more in a "his build in real life/percy jackson real life" than actually gane wise now
grand patrol
wait, do you mean an enemy with every debuff, or zag with every single negative status?
OH enemies i see
tawdry jackal
yeah, most enemies would die before Zag gets all debuffs on them
but on Bosses its brutal
grand patrol
hm. how many chaos curses can zag stack at once
like as a separate q
is it possible to get like. 5 rooms in a row. really make things rough on himself
tawdry jackal
oh
Epic Marked on Chiron's Special (witg Artemis on Special) with +50% arrows is also insane
every other arrow gets critical
turbid needle
Yeah, pretty bonkers.
tawdry jackal
I did try it once
I equipped Chaos Egg with 0 Heat, entered every chaos gate and bough every light of ixion I could
had to say no to a Trial of the Gods, Hammer and Patroklus, that was sad
but finished the game with 6 chaos boons
will try that again today to confirm
grand patrol
hvhfvhjfchj nice
zag: im slowed by half. moving in any possible way hurts. i cant touch money or my casts
chaos: and?
zag: and i'd like you to enshroud me, please
tawdry jackal
xD chaos is a cutie
currently the o ly source of damage Chaos cant take away from you is Dash, so if doing Chaos Rush, dont take Artemis Dash, you might need it
also
im praying for Dyonisus to buff back his Nasty Dash
its the only dash besides artemis that doesnt destroy vases and I find it very annoying
vases behave the same way as walls in blocking your runningz so having your dash not clear them up is terrible
grand patrol
vase drinks the wine and falls over, revealing that theyve been little creatures all along
cedar mirage
ok, im at a loss here, ive had the prerequisites for hunting blades for 3 zones now, and ive gotten seemingly everything BUT hunting blades, am I just super unlucky, or can you be disqualified for duos by certain boons?
fallen quarry
they are valued the same as legendary boons, so I believe the rate you see them is pretty low, I haven't tried out many as a result, I've done 100 runs.
native ether
the easiest way to "force" a duo boon is from my experience, grab both your needed boons as fast as possible, then use a good keepsake to force higher rarity and guaranteed appearance
in addition to spending your rerolls on the miniboss room to guarantee a boon
cedar mirage
Yeah, I had 3 miniboss rooms with Ares or Artemis, and always had one of their keepsakes active, I even got an offer for a different duo boon that game.
Guess I’m just unlucky
naive cobalt
That happens sometimes. I've managed to get Scintillating Feast in Tartarus several times before, but it always feels like an insane occurrence of luck, rather than something that can be counted upon. One of the worst feelings is being offered Lightning Rod instead, because that boon's utility is totally antithetical to the feast. XD
turbid needle
https://imgur.com/a/FLxcmEm - psst.... do you want some poison? 
didn't have low tolerance though...
which is kind of bummer
light nova
Did you sell your soul for that lvl of blight flourish?
turbid needle
I didn't have one to begin with, but seriously... It's just having the Dionysus/Poseidon duo before Styx
light nova
Nice
native ether
Wouldn't that be the Aphro Poseidon duo? As that's the one that increases pom levels
turbid needle
ah, true
forgotten
the Dionysus + Poseidon is exclusive access
meanwhile the Aphro + Poseidon is Sweet Nectar
wild patio
Is there a way to "undo" what aspects I have chosen for a certain weapon? Because I chose an aspect and then realised I didn't like it and would like to undo the change
turbid needle
Not if you've already died or completed a run after spending your keys.
If you're in the middle of a run you can go into a new chamber, take a hit, and quit out and it will revert the unlocks.
errant narwhal
you can, actually! just choose the Zagreus aspect again in the aspect menu.
mild crag
Yeah you can re-choose the Zagreus aspect whenever you like before a run but you won't get your Cthonic keys back you used to unlock the aspect
neon bough
Ok I know I'm late, but I just tried for real Zeus Rail
It's exhilarating
full-on pew pew experience
naive cobalt
Im a fan
neon bough
It's fun on a very corporeal level
But now I need to find another fun build
maybe something with spear, I never use it
turbid needle
https://imgur.com/a/DikWFfo gah, the 4 Sack RNG though lol
and it started so well too
Oh, wow.
and I just realized I was doing bounty for sword LUL
well, fine by me
ember lotus
Just turned frenzy up to 50% because I'd ignored it this whole time. Every decision I made immediately got me hit. Armored enemies were a nightmare because they could tank a hit, move in, and punish me during my recovery frames before I could dash away. I'm trying it again with Aphrodite on the Zagreus aspect spear but we're going back to training wheels on this one.
tawdry jackal
OH MY GOD, HADES
WHY YOU GOTTA DO IT TO ME???
basically, I got him down to his 10% HP in his second phase, at 24 Heat
besides his first phase took two whole minutes because he Stealhed 9-freaking times, i was so close
i never got this close ><
serene isle
Oh wait. We can talk about that stuff here
Like it's basically common knowledge that dear ol dad is a boss
Oh man. Sorry to hear that you got bad stealth RNG
tawdry jackal
its only spoiler for very new players, we used to say Redacted when Big Bad Update launched but today I think its fine
tawdry jackal
no, and he freaking removes every debuff on him when he enters stealth
every time
like
thats wrong I think, if he continued taking damage while stealhed, the battle wouldnt drag sooooooo long when he decides to do 15 million stealths
and no
he gets in a perma-dodge stance, only when hes exiting stealth, his steps make prints and only after his cast grunt (he always exit stealh with a cast) he takes damage again
can someone help me make a shield build for 24 Heat?
the only thing I do different from the normal 24 Heat set-up is that I dont take Daring Consequences (full healing), or Snake Oil (die everytime I try), so +20% enemies and +15% HP instead
thinking of changing the +20% enemies for -1 Choice
lost rose
Gameplay channel is generally free run for spoilers - it'd be hard to discuss the gameplay otherwise!
#h1-discussion is the only spoiler-free channel
ember lotus
I think he can be hit by stuff like Lightning Rod or Scintillating Feast while invisible. I say that because I've seen his footsteps pass by an active lightning rod cast and heard the grunt sound as though I'd scored a hit.
turbid needle
yeah.... playing with poison build against the Daddy Hades is annoyance in first phase
which feels very meh seeing how he isn't imprevious there
and feeling how the hell uninteractive this feels
tawdry jackal
wow
aftr playing for so long on 24 heat, trying to get last statue
10-16 heat is piece of cake
like
Tight Deadline +5
Forced Overtime +5
anything else is small change
also, I discovered that one of tge biggest pleasures in this game
is to step on a trap, and take only 5 damage xD
Increase Security is so deadly xD ><
ember lotus
I'm working up to that. I basically never turn Tight Deadline off now, though it doesn't play well with every build. Quick/massive spin builds seem somewhat lackluster compared foolishness like the shield.
manic ermine
Tight deadline is free heat until you start stacking other modifiers
naive cobalt
Imo tight deadline should be cranked up to 2 p much no matter what
If you're running 24 heat, it's still not a big deal
Compared to other heat options
I feel like maybe the spear can have a few issues with it, since it's a super slow weapon before you upgrade it, but I've so far consistently been able to get by without hitting the deadline for 12 or less heat.
And once you get flurry jab or multi skewer, it becomes very quick at dispatching your foes
I definitely recommend playing with at least 20% forced overtime, too, since that speeds up the enemies' entrance and saves you time. Although it can get frustrating in Asphodel when enemies move across the map faster
turbid needle
A single Flamewheel in Erebus is all of ingenious, hilarious, and evil.
serene isle
So, Hades chat. I was experimenting with weapons and I'm not exactly sure if people have found this out, but on PC, pressing the Interact/Talk button during a Spin Attack charge (not sure if it works with bow/shield charges) causes Zagreus to "interrupt" it and perform the Spin Attack. HOWEVER, if you STILL hold the attack button, it basically gets rid of the "ending lag" to the Spin Attack and has Zagreus IMMEDIATELY start charging a new one (WITHOUT NEEDING TO REGULAR ATTACK TO START CHARGING!)
You gotta time it right, though. Pressing the interact button too early causes Zagreus to just cancel the charge and perform a new charge. With the correct timing/tempo, you can actually spam Spin Attacks really fast using this trick. I pressed it so fast that Zag did a REALLY SMALL Spin Attack that only dealt 30 damage, which was a strength level of the attack that I didn't know existed.
Also, if you spam the interact button while charging, you can make Zagreus teabag, which is probably the best use for it.
Here's a video of me doing it badly: https://youtu.be/4YfaW0q6weM
Just tested it out with shield and bow. Trick works with Shield, but it doesn't offer any added benefit over simply releasing the attack button then press->holding it mid Shield Dash.
The trick does NOT work with bow. It'll just shoot the arrow and Zag will be stuck aiming the bow until you let go of the attack button.
Hopefully this has been useful. Ish.
I was also experimenting with sword and found out that you can start a Special with it then use a Dash to interrupt the animation and "carry" the AoE damage circle with you using the Dash, which lets you start the attack from far away then have it hit a group.
You can even Dash twice to carry it even farther! Not sure if this has been found yet, but it's cool.
little grotto
hello there, i have a question. i havent played in a while so i started a new save, how do i unlock the heat system nowdays?
errant narwhal
you need to beat the game at least once for it im pretty sure ! its at the escape window now, if you have
light nova
@serene isle bug with spin attack of spear - to the bug report. Also as i can see it's useless in game as long as you don't have any NPC to talk with in run. And honestly i don't see any carrying in sword's special. You just dash and use special. I'm sorry to say that, but it seems you invented the wheel.
serene isle
Is it a bug though? I'm not sure.
As for the sword thing, there's a difference between dashing then doing special and doing special then dashing midway through the animation. But hey, it's fine.
little grotto
@errant narwhal thanks
cedar mirage
@serene isle the sword trick was know previously, but I can’t remember reading anyone mentioning the spear trick you mentioned
eternal stag
that's it. pack it in. can't play this game anymore
never going to do better than this
this was without a doubt the most fun i've had on any single run, and i've been playing this game since december
serene isle
@cedar mirage good to know. I have 0 idea if the spear thing has any practical application. I'm no expert spear player, but one thing that it lets you do is do spin attacks in place. So you can do spin attack in place, charge another one quickly, then dash spin attack at another place?
native ether
feels unintentional given that there's no area in the game where you can combat and interact with an npc at the same time. I'd report it as a bug, better safe than sorry, since that really doesn't sound intended.
to my knowledge there isnt intended to be a way to cancel the recoil/time delay on the spin attack (that's what makes the spin attack the spin attack, high damage in trade off for a voluntary stun) so I'd report it. If its not a bug, they'll just leave it be.
turbid needle
tawdry jackal
wow! thats insanely fast!
tawdry jackal
hmmm, Ill go back to playing with high security, been way more careless without it active lately...
naive cobalt
This morning, I got Sent Spirit, and it threw my timing off, so I accidentally dashed into an Elysium arrow trap with 800% damage from high security. D:
turbid needle
High Security...probably the most "He doesn't even know" heat modifier in the game
"what traps can do to me", they always say...
first they pay with gold.... then with blood... lots of blood
the feeling of losing 120 hp because of single axe trap is just the one in a kind
naive cobalt
When the sawblades slice straight through my death defiance
naive cobalt
https://i.imgur.com/CZN6RtD.png
Hitless Hades is no problem with this build (so long as you don't count hits absorbed by the acorn hehe). Double nova, super nova, Deadly Flourish Lv. 3, with +21% Swift Flourish wham on enemies almost constantly. Briefly interspersing a Lv. 2 Ares attack (105 curse damage) gets some more in, and putting Athena's blind on the dash gets easy privileged status. I didn't get Clean Kill or Impending Doom, unfort, but I got Deadly Reversal and Merciful End .. which didn't help much, but they're still cool.
mild crag
"ohhh okay, that hurt." - Zagreus on 800% trap damage
serene isle
@native ether Just to be clear, that Spear Trick also works during an actual run (not just in the place with Skelly). Reporting it regardless. I've had weird Beyblade runs where I just get Quick Spin Attack charge time with Bigger Spin Attack Radius. It's hilarious.
tawdry jackal
I almost always feel bad for never picking Artemis on trial chambers, but shes just too easy to survive, and almost everyone else seems a bigger threat (specially athena, and surprisingly poseidon making gorgon heads and stones rush to me XD that was scary and fun for at least the first dozen times it happened)
even taking no dagame on +50% heat and Than's butterfly earring
serene isle
It's ok. Artemis Tsundere's you constantly
so you might as well do the same to her
😛
tawdry jackal
funny, i never though of her as tsundere? XD
just shy solitary girl trying to look tough but sometimes opening herself to her new posible cousin friend for them to hunt together someday~
aphrodite is the one that scares me XD
she acts all caring, but cross her once and youre dead
at least if you cant help it XD
serene isle
Lol. Artemis always acts shy but also constantly does the "We can hang out sometime, but don't think too much of it."
She's less angry tsundere and more like "i'm trying to act cool and coy"
ionic field
Athena on Elysium is nightmare mode
hybrid frost
Athena is the only one I've never crossed, so I have no idea what her "angry dialogue" sounds like...no regrets though. 🙂
turbid needle
I would rather have a Trial in Styx and snub Athena there than in Elysium.
You know what's worse than three elite Greatshields? Three elite Greatshields that keep respawning.
ionic field
She actually gets the least angry, and basically says she's obligated as an Olympian to wreak vengeance
mild elbow
pseudo plank
Oh God I did the Athena scorned thing in Elysium once, absolute terror, you kill a warrior and the ghost has invincibility and just respawns.
light nova
@vast raptor i don't know why but i laughed about or feedback. Sounds cool XDD
vast raptor
@light nova Glad to brighten your day 😄
turbid needle
https://imgur.com/a/14tvEB4 gah, 4 sack rng
fallen quarry
ah shoot... I knocked an enemy out of bounds and out of reach, and they aren't coming back.
naive cobalt
My next bounties for the bow are on 18 heat, and I'm worried that I'll soon hit a wall with that weapon :/
If I get a good build, I can fairly consistently go up to ehh 20 heat or so, but I can't consistently get the best core boons, and even with those I don't think I could consistently beat 21+ heat
I might just grind on the shield more. I think I'm only up to like 8 heat's bounties on that weapon. Even less on the spear. But I don't find those weapons as fun as the sword, bow, or rail.
fallen quarry
my current goal is clearing blade and rail on enemies hit 100% harder, no healing, +30% life, both boss fights changed, 50% faster, and deadline
I believe that puts it at 25 heat
so far I've managed to get to hades with both, but I'm still trying to clear it, not many attempts in yet though
turbid needle
We're coming up on twelve months of content (though I've only been here for eight!) and I've got a 50% winrate at 600 escape attempts. Thanks again to SGG for putting so much love into every single game you've made.
no points for guessing my favorite weapon
meager lynx
blade is great
turbid needle
It is.
native ether
Rail is best weapon change my mind you wont :kappa:
fallen quarry
hestia bestia, er, I do find it the most fun
turbid needle
I prefer Eris, but I recently had a Hestia run that was fun.
Artemis still shreds.
mild crag
Hestia rail is still the only weapon I've done 24 Heat with
hybrid frost
I came in a week before the Big Beefy Update and I never used Heat (cept once to ill effect) until this update. Now, I've completed 10 Heat runs on all the weapons with 11 on the bow. And considering the struggle I had doing that, I don't intend to go any further in the near future. That is to say, I'm currently sitting at a 68% percent win ratio and I have no desire to see that plummet. So, for now I'm grinding darkness and Temple of Styx/Crooked Broker keys in anticipation for the new weapon aspects and the totally NEW weapon that is coming.
fallen quarry
depending on what you choose, some of the heat increases may or may not even have impact
like, for me, time limit and enemies move/attack 50% faster is default, I don't know what I'd have to do to lose with just them on, and that's 10 heat right there
mild crag
Tight Deadline for sure is pretty free Heat
though I'm not used to Forced Overtime
So I mis-time my dodges
fallen quarry
once you get the hang of it, it just becomes the norm, if you use it
I actually have an easier time with a few of the enemies on it ironically
like, I hated fighting the shield guys at default speed lol
it's really easy to just dash early on them and dodge everything from them, and start attacking them
the flame wheels and snake oil can be scary though
mild crag
Snake Oil is just...
fallen quarry
every now and then when fighting the all the sisters, if I lack damage, the screen can be a bit flooded
fallen quarry
I don't like fighting them without it
it's just too trivial
I'm a bit of a masochist though
fallen quarry
if I'm using no healing, I pretty much rely on athena for the fight
since... I have tight deadline and overtime cranked up, lol
mild crag
I daresay it has unavoidable damage
fallen quarry
I usually lose a death defy on it, but just accept it and try to make due
keeps it interesting :d
mild crag
I save my Death Defiances for walking into traps in Elysium 
fallen quarry
lol, do you have heightened security on?
mild crag
SURE DO
fallen quarry
see, in my eyes, that's crazy
mild crag
I can usually avoid all traps
but blood and darkness those spear statues are invisible I swear
fallen quarry
I find I get stuck on edges too much, or don't pay close enough attention
turbid needle
Don't @ me about axes with jank Super Smash Brothers hitboxes.
Lost more runs to maxed Heightened Security and those things than I think anything else since Super Star.
mild crag
I think a good number of my losses come from never learning not to try to dash through medusa head projectiles
fallen quarry
https://prnt.sc/pyvx5j Here's how I intend to clear 25 heat
been close a couple times
98 runs total, of the last 40 or so I really started cranking up 10+ heat
mild crag
I recommend taking off snake oil and using budget cuts instead
fallen quarry
having fun with this 🙂
mild crag
oh i just gave advice without you asking for it don't mind me
fallen quarry
ah
mild crag
(sorry lol)
fallen quarry
I think I
I've done about 6 or 7 attempts so far
got hades 2nd stage 1/2 hp once, and died kinda early to his first stage another attempt
others died before him
mild crag
Your heat settings look pretty similar to mine other than snake oil and overtime
fallen quarry
Had a run I did on 16 heat that I swear could have cleared this, as I took like 200 damage the entire run, and evertyhing just lined up right
mild crag
Is 16 the highest you've cleared so far?
fallen quarry
20
mild crag
yeah I was going up one by one with heat til I got to like 15 and jumped to 24
fallen quarry
I wonder if explosive rounds is inteded to apply to the hestia shot
seems a bit busted to me
mild crag
I'm glad it does I like it
fallen quarry
really helps when my aim is off lol
mild crag
Though it does show the inconsistency
fallen quarry
not to mention aoe clear
mild crag
Since Spread and Pierce both have no interaction with the Hestia shot
fallen quarry
yeah, I understand spread not, pierce not surprised me though
I still like picking up spread shot, as it pulls weight
mild crag
Spread Fire with Explosive Fire is really neat
but I usually don't pick Spread Fire since I like to play from range
fallen quarry
I like spread with dash attack spam, since they're free attacks that stack with your normal attack speed
crazy damage output as a result
mild crag
Yeah
How does Spread Fire work with Poseidon Attack + Poseidon/Zeus duo boon btw (if you know)
fallen quarry
I've only run it a few times, and not on the rail, I don't find the combo to be very good
mild crag
Oh so it doesn't stack
fallen quarry
haven't had it on rail*
fallen quarry
if I did, I forgot
mild crag
Because of the interactions with Chiron bow
fallen quarry
I was really disappointed in it as hyped as the discord is about it, lol
though I only tried it after it was nerfed
so idk what it was before
mild crag
only time I've found it really good is on Chiron's special
Since each of the arrows triggers knockback so they each trigger the lightning bolt
But if you have the normal Zeus special it doesn't trigger chain lightning on each arrow
turbid needle
Does it only not work with Chiron, or did they nerf it even on regular Special?
mild crag
I'm not sure I've never used the bow's special other than with Chiron
I don't really like it
fallen quarry
If I remember right, they toned back damage
meanwhile, in the patch notes are hestia shot applying twice being fixed, when it's not lol
frosty pier
Good God you people are madlads. And here I am afraid of burning out on a game with 5 heat behind me.
fallen quarry
I love this heat system, tweak the game as you want
mild crag
we're all just masochists here
fallen quarry
I found out about this game mid october, and I probably have about 500 hours into Enter The Gungeon
right up my ally of a game to step into 🙂
mild crag
I've been on and off with this game since it's been available
played when it came out, stopped, came back during High Speed update, stopped again, and finally bad again now for super star
What keepsake do you like to take for your high heat runs?
fallen quarry
I've been going aphrodites->athena->spear->skull earrings
usually my biggest fear is a badly positioned fight on flame wheels
mild crag
if you can find something to dash over it works out
usually anyway
since if you dash over some terrain after they aggro onto you
they crash into the wall and explode
fallen quarry
do you use a keyboard?
mild crag
yis
fallen quarry
I find I get stuck on ledges sometimes
and in the blink of an eye, I've lost 200hp
mild crag
occasionally i do too
fallen quarry
then I go into the next room tilted and it's all just downhill haha
mild crag
but i think that would happen with any control scheme, it's usually because i stop paying attention to where i am and i'm just looking at the enemies
if I lose a death defiance really early sometimes i just stand on a trap and feel the weight of my failure while i ride the river back to the house of hades
fallen quarry
I wonder what will be done for the hades fight
he's not really much of a boss atm hehe
mild crag
no bulli hades
they need a pact condition for thesus +1 first
they'll probably terrorize me with something like "Thesus starts with a God's boon"
mild crag
yeah getting caught in his first combo is tilting
but if you dodge that
it's a simple matter to dodge his leaps
fallen quarry
I believe I killed hades my first or second time against him
mild crag
then when he runs he's easy to crash into a wall
fallen quarry
the bull though...
mild crag
yeah it took me ages to beat him and the king back in High Speed even
which is before he got buffed
fallen quarry
recently picked up the chaos shield, I can't tell if some of the hammer upgrades really change much for it
mild crag
Not a fan of the Chaos Shield
I think the Zeus shield is okay though
All my opinions are bias against non rail weapons tho
fallen quarry
naturally :p
mild crag
fallen quarry
I'm finding the chaos shield to be a bit strong... lol
I have little experience with it, let's try a 25 run!
ionic field
Chaos Shield seems really hammer dependent
frosty pier
After the aspects dropped it's less so, but yeah a good hammer is all you need.
mild crag
What hammer makes the Chaos Shield nice?
frosty pier
My favorite is a Dashing wallop of something
Quick-charge and powershot-charge are also good
Not a fan of special upgrades at all. So I just take the Zeus's buzzsaw.
mild crag
Oh by Chaos Shield I meant the Chaos aspect of the shield
But I agree with you the Zeus aspect is way nicer
frosty pier
Well Chaos aspect is a huge Meh for me. I think you can slap a "special bounces more times" hammer, but it's still a total chaos (badum-tsss) Will you get something out of these bounces? Who knows!? Yeah a huge Ares doom is good here... But you usually dont just charge around just to throw shields.
mild crag
Especially since you can't block or attack while they're bouncing too
fallen quarry
I kind of ignored the hammer, having faster charge to trigger special is nice, but being as bouncy as it is, more bounce doesn't go that far for it
having poseidon special was pretty entertaining though, was like playing pinball
well, watching pinball
everything was going everywhere, shields, mobs, paritcles
frosty pier
Ah the Poseidon, First Pinball Master. It's a bit sad that most of his ridicilous pinball combos got cut to rational values.
waxen imp
chaos aspect does decent dmg point blank and with ares special is good mob clear
frosty pier
The thing about being pointblank... Special is a range option you usually dont use it them you can smack a wretch, and dash-attack is also good for aoe
waxen imp
when you are point blank with shield, the shield returns much faster towards you
so you can dash again
shield charge i mean
ionic field
Even invested into it, a point blank upgraded chaos aspect still kinda hits like a noodle compared to similar builds
turbid needle
Has Achilles Aspect always been a world-ender?
I'm throwing around level 2 Epic Tipsy Shots and it's bopping enemies in Asphodel.
tawdry jackal
chaos aspect shield is the best of the 3 aspects no doubt
normaly ares and aphodite would be good for old shield, but for new chaos aspect, Dionysus, Artemis, Poseidon, Athena and Zeus are king
the charge and multi-trow are you number 1 weapon
specially if you get Chaos boon that make the shield impact deal more damage
and all 5 extra shields always hit at least 1 enemy before vanishing, unless its a really big room with no bouncing walls for them to come back, like Asphodel
but still
Ares is really a waste on Chaos Aspect since you cant apply doom multiple times, and Dire Misfortune is laughably a horrible boon
.
lately ive tried Zeus Aspect 2-3 times, and actually its pretty nice, but only at Epic+ Rarity and with Hermes Special Speed boon
.
Shield is the only weapon that I dont feel a direct increase in utility with Hammers
they're nice but 0% necessary
now
all other weapons, Hammers are a Must
My Favorite ones per weapon
Sword - Super Nova (then Double Nova)
Spear - Quick Spin (then Massive Spin and the Exploding Throw)
Shield - Quick Rush maybe, Exploding Return is Nice, Mirage Flight was the effing best thing ever, but I think they took it out of the game....sad
Bow - Depends on the aspect, but normally Relentless Barrage, Exploding Shot, Twin Shot, Flurry Shot maybe...
Hexagryph - Triple Bomb no doubt 1st priority... Inescapable Blast is a nice addition.... Exploding Shots is very nice for the area damage, even if they dont deal more damage, they light stun now...+6 ammo and accuracy is very powerfull... and lastly I also like the Piercing Shot if i dont have any nice options!
light nova
@tawdry jackal i feel how shield become stronger with hammer ups. specially fast rush and 8 bounces 🤔
tawdry jackal
I liked Mirage Flight because it let me keep my guard up while having special thrown
in 24 Heat, having your shield flying around in a special for to long and not being able to block is very deadly....
frosty pier
It's not like I'm sayng that shield special is not a viable build... But that playstyle makes my monkey brain go "this is boooring let's smack a fool".
tawdry jackal
@frosty pier oh! then pick Poseidon Attack, Dashing Wallop, Double Strike and see your enemies MELT!
have Sea Storm with both Ruptured and Jolted if you want that extra 50% melting power! xD
ionic field
Even with lots of damage, I feel like the shields hit like a wet noodle compared to day, triple arrow or shotgun rain
frosty pier
Those who crave punishment, find it here in no short supply.
Hm....I need to brush up on my darkest dungeon quotes.
turbid needle
First they pay with gold... then with blood
"puts the heightened security on 800%" ... Lots of blood
tawdry jackal
OMG guys
GUYS
LOOK AT THIS
8 Poseidon boons - his Legendary
4 Zeus boons - his Legendary
3 Hermes boons - 2 Legendaries of him! I didnt even know it could happen!
3 Hammers and 3 of Chaos
2 of Athena and 2 of Aphrodite
Ive never, ever ever ever had such an amazing run! ❤️
turbid needle
Ooh, yeah, Relentless Barrage and Sea Storm is dangerous.
mild crag
Tisiphone kicks my ass every time
How do I make her go and stay go
Got her like 4 times in a row lol
Can't dodge her stuff with 50% speed up on
turbid needle
Tisiphone is murder, Alecto is rage.
mild crag
calls me a murderer after killing me
fallen quarry
ah, she's who I prefer to fight, find her attack pattern the easiest to track, the others somehow randomly dash around and I lose them in the fog from time to time. Tisiphone always dashes at you, and sends out waves that show her direction, as for the dodging part, I guess familiarity goes a long ways
and if you have enough damage, easy to just lock her down between her stage shrinks
mild crag
would rather fight megara
fallen quarry
I'd probably find a lot of the enemies weird if I turned overtime off now, lol
fallen quarry
I usually dodge the direction she's heading, since she'll be there before I can take damage, and puts me closer to kill her
I think what helped me the most on bosses was intentionally not killing them, and just dodging around and trying to stay alive for a long time
to get used to what they do
mild crag
pretty sure I know their attack patterns, mostly
just shouldn't have put on forced overtime lol
fallen quarry
it's fun though :p
mild crag
bumped my settings up to 40 heat tho to see if i could do it
it went somewhat disasterously
fallen quarry
I haven't tried doing that since when I first started, and it was for the heck of it
mild crag
Have Damage Control and Snake Oil turned off
fallen quarry
I do hope it's not able to be done though
fallen quarry
it'd mean there'd have to be some really busted stuff to pull off the damage and clearing within the time limit
mild crag
I completed Tartarus with about a minute to spare on 40 Heat
mild crag
Damage Control (ignore two damage instances) and Snake Oil
fallen quarry
right^
mild crag
which is why I dropped it back to 40 to try
with 43 I was running out of time on the second to last chamber in Tartarus
mild crag
if I ever complete it it won't be because I'm good it'll be because No Choice was kind to me
fallen quarry
next thing you know, you'll be able to invoke the wrath of a god from the start, and they'll be against you the entire run haha
mild crag
they are a fickle bunch
is there something which affects the occurrence rate of elite enemies?
in non mini boss encounters, not talking about Middle Management
Just like on my last run the first two rooms I had in Asphodel were all elite enemies
Which was sorta unexpected
tawdry jackal
hell
yeah
I've been trying this challenge for so long and finally did it x3
0 Darkness Victory ❤️
fallen quarry
The real question is, should I try it with overtime maxed or not
mild crag
overtime is scarey
fallen quarry
If I didn't have dial up speed internet I'd probably stream this :(
mild crag
i would probably stream too if i didn't just move house so i have no internet lol
ionic field
If I knew the Chaos boon would transform before I reached the boss battle, I would risk it way more often- and have a much more interesting time dealing with the consequences.```
I'd use Chaos boons way more often if they spawned more ofteni almost always take chaos gates but ye they don't occur that frequently hey
native ether
The easiest way to counteract this is turn on the Chamber counter so you can view it when you look at your boon info
You'll see it in the top right corner of the screen when you're looking at boon info
Fury is chamber 15, Hydra is chamber 25, Theseus is chamber 36.
Note that chambers 14, 24, and 35 will be shops and wont count towards the chaos effect
Basically, if its past chamber 9, don't take a chaos boon, don't take a chaos boon past chamber 19, and dont take one past chamber 30 in Elysium.
otherwise you run the risk of getting stuck with it in the boss fight
mild crag
there's always the danger of getting stuck in a mini boss room with it too tho
especially the barge of death
shudder
turbid needle
Fury is 14 and Hydra is 24.
turbid needle
so it means 12 and 22 are rooms just before Hydra basically
as in the 13 and 23 respectively don't count as encounters since they're gonna be shop or freebie
Pear's advice is still accurate, just correcting the exact numbers.
yeah, it is
fallen quarry
Take that 50% overtime 100% damage snake oil hydra!
having aphro hp boon is so comforting when you don't heal
for not having athena call to abuse, I haven't come close to doing this well by this point under these heat conditions, lol
mild crag
great work 
mild crag
don't tell me you bested the snake oil hydra only to succumb to the flame wh eels
fallen quarry
they ate 2 of my death defies
mild crag
fallen quarry
it was then downhill from there...
turbid needle
I'd rather try to no-hit the Hydra fight than deal with an infinite Flamewheel room with Stygius.
fallen quarry
got stuck on a pit and lost my last defy
before hades
went into hades with like 200/515hp, highest I've ever had
thought I killed one of his heads he throws that shoot out a wave
and while dashing out, proceeded to get hit by the initial blast, and the wave 2 more times following, losing 120hp in under a second to it.
and... just kind of tilted and crashed and burned from there. lol
dashing out just to reposition
mild crag
tilting is a slow and insidious killer
fallen quarry
7th run with the shield, guess running the conditions I was, I should feel accomplished
first 2 I played ran it before having keys for aspects, and hated it's base version, not liking the playstyle
I do like the chaos shield for some reason though lol
mild crag
interesting
Chaos plays out generally the same as the normal shield except it encourages you to bull rush more as far as I can tell
Never found the Chaos special to be reliable enough to play around
turbid needle
When it interacted with Explosive Return and boons, Artemis could shred stuff.
ionic field
I like it when you get into a groove with Zeus aspect and constantly throw it out and recall point blank
cursive finch
I don't think that Chaos Gates should be able to spawn in spots like tbhat
Didn't notice it until I walked over it
mild crag
doesn't look intentional
make sure to report it as a bug in game
with F10 I think it is
frosty pier
You can still dump that screenshot on an image-sharing site of your choosing and attach it to the ticket.
naive cobalt
I wonder if they've ever gotten trolls linking external images in their tickets
lost rose
Not that I've seen!
We have gotten some really funny tickets though.
And some really sweet ones
vast eagle
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280188712409759744/646768681552183299/unknown.png|| this build was the most fun i'd ever had!! could just blaze right through any challenges from the start
dusky grove
ahhhheven my 0 skill ass finally beat the final boss today and it was such a random build I cant even recall I am so relieved
errant narwhal
congratz!!! 🎉
hybrid frost
Yes, victory is sweet! Gratz!
serene isle
So, does anyone know about the "secret properties" to the weapons that aren't necessarily listed anywhere?
Stuff like how the Stygian Blade's Attack seemingly overrides all of Zagreus' animations (at least it interrupts Casts and Specials).
Manually Reloading the Rail gives you more mobility options. Auto reloading (by Attacking while your clip is empty) forces Zagreus to stand still and finish the whole animation.
Etc
I wanna know if you've found some!
serene isle
I just tested it now and apparently the rail is "fixed" and reloading manually and automatically are the same now!
Yay buffs
ornate sundial
@naive cobalt I think it's possible to edit a screenshot before submitting it
teal helm
@reef rampart do you mean a different Wrath would be used against you, or the Wrath you have would change randomly?
reef rampart
Where each chamber would have a different god's wrath invoked
twilit ridge
Anyone else had trouble with Festive Fog and Flurry Cast interacting?
I got fog, and then later picked up Flurry Cast, worked just fine machine-gunning out all of the casts at once
And then I picked up a Pom and leveled Festive Fog, and it promptly stopped working and went back to normal casting, with no way to rapid-chain them
twilit ridge
I have done so, was just wondering if it was already a well known thing
turbid needle
Pretty sure I've heard of that and encountered it before, but it didn't occur to me to F10 at the time.
placid plinth
Realized that I did only two runs with Spear after aspects were introduced. How do you think, which aspect will be a better investment?
frosty pier
Oh god. That made me realise. Last time I used a spear... was Elysyum update.
sage gyro
there is bug at the fire area that the reward may spawn outside the area that happened to me and had to restart the game
elfin pulsar
I think the achilles aspect is the most fun but the best is probably zag aspect? idk
honestly i've barely played with hades aspect so idk how good it is
naive cobalt
I find Hades aspect unusable on heat, tbh. The forced overtime prevents me from having any opportunity to charge the attack.
I like Zag aspect, tho.
elfin pulsar
makes sense
sage gyro
i managed to crash the game using zeus cast and 6 ammo whit boon that summons second cast when using cast 😄
turbid needle
I take Tidal Dash one time and now it refuses to get traded out purged. You know, Poseidon, if you didn't have junk damage values I might take you more often.
mild crag
Could be worse, could be the Ares dash
native ether
"hes right you know" :p
naive cobalt
Tidal dash isn't bad with breaking wave or razor shoals (if you dont have a melee weapon). Ares dash is great with black metal, imo.
native ether
true, but there are better options with just 1 boon unfortunately
turbid needle
I had none of the above. Just Tidal Dash.
And Blade Dash is pretty good with all of Ares' Blade Rift enhancements.
stark lintel
The only "S-tier" dash modifier is imho the Athena one
Dash builds can work especially at lower difficulties but the higher the heat, the less viable they are and if you have a maxed out timer then the DPS requirements are too high to for clearing stuff on time
ionic field
Poseidon could be S-tier with knockback worked on bosses
stark lintel
Knockback effects are ridiculously strong on trash if you get the splash effect, and the other modifiers make it even more ridiculous, but yeah, it doesn't work on bosses so they're like whatever
fallen quarry
I don't run the spear, but I find dash works great on sword and rail, and I'd probably like it on the bow too if it wasn't bugged and dash damage not applying to the bow.
I usually prefer athena, but artemis can be great for it depending on the amount of damage boosts you have, since stack, not multiply.
they bring absurd dps
stark lintel
at higher heat levels the sword play at least tends to devolve into special spam
fallen quarry
I don't run it that way, I've been clearing 20 heat, and running some masochistic 25 heat set ups
double edge makes it amazing, but the sword dash attack runs the strongest dash attack of the weapons
they also take the least amount of set up for a build that will get you through, since you don't need select boons to pull it off, and can run a variety instead.
while I have preferences, it's mostly a matter of damage vs ability to survive what.
and playing around it
native ether
Artemis Dash is S-tier with the Hestia Aspect Rail
Double the damage of your Hestia shot for a low low price of dashing while shooting which you're probably already doing.
hybrid frost
Aside from not working with melee builds very well, I think the main thing holding back Tidal Dash is it doesn't trigger multiple times with multiple dashes. Only the last dash in a chain will deal the AoE effect.
frigid nimbus
turbid needle
Thanks, Thanatos. That minute and twenty seconds you burned in the chamber right before the Heroes fight just cost me a 13 Heat run.
mild crag
DEATH APPROACHES
turbid needle
On a subsequent run, I'm at the Hydra with 4 minutes left and the same Heat settings, so the Gods made up for it.
autumn tapir
"Thought you could use some help."
thanatos every time you appear I like you less and less
turbid needle
Four waves, Doctor! I had to deal with four waves before he left, and all the time he just sat there, time still ran.
autumn tapir
combine that with the incessant NOT ME, ZAG. I'M NOT YOUR ENEMY. REALLY, ZAG
and then I take a bunch of damage trying to be risky and steal his kills because if he's going to waste a bunch of my time I may as well get a heart out of it
mild crag
And also he complains when you take his kills
turbid needle
Oh, looks who's back, and in Elysium no less.
mild crag
Hey zag need some help 
fallen quarry
what other heat mods have you been running?
mild crag
The hidden heat mod where than shows up all the time apparently
turbid needle
turbid needle
I know I'm running max damage. I'm blanking on the rest.
fallen quarry
hearts are so awesome with little to no healing
but... if you're using low damage output stuff, I could see the issue
turbid needle
I basically never ran the timer before breaking 10 Heat, but the 7-minute timer is worth 5 Heat by itself.
fallen quarry
I've swapped off the timed run to try out builds I know are weaker
turbid needle
Double Nova Deadly Flourish and World Splitter Heartbreak Strike.
fallen quarry
forced overtime might help with clearing faster
I nearly always have them both on
only exception when intentionally running low damage boons
turbid needle
Forced Overtime is faster enemies?
fallen quarry
yeah
I think it's called that, forgot off the top of my head, has overtime in it though
my runs usually take 19-23 minutes, and I've been using 20-25 heat
turbid needle
Oh, wow.
turbid needle
I like, never break 10 Heat and I've only got one weapon under 20 minutes.
Actually, had a delicious Zeus run last night that was under 19 on 15 Heat, new PB.
I had two non-Zeus boons, and one of them was Holy Shield.
fallen quarry
18:55 with the sword is my best time, and I think it was a 18 or so heat run
I don't do true speed runs, as my modifiers don't allow me to tank a lot of damage
snake oil hydra can be fickle with me sometimes too
ironically, I think what now messes with me the most during the fight is the clump in the middle left side of the screen that you can't move through without dashing while close to it
lost rose
Can confirm forced overtime has been a speedrun strat for a while, i use it when i need to really book it
turbid needle
It speeds up game runtime without increasing the clockspeed, right?
fallen quarry
speeds up the enemies
lost rose
Enemy movement speed and attack speed and range
It takes some getting used to but it tops out at 50% these days
fallen quarry
ends up making you fight them sooner
lost rose
Which isn't too vicious
turbid needle
Gotcha.
lost rose
It speeds up their spawn-in too, yeah
turbid needle
"isn't too vicious"
fallen quarry
idk, snake oil on 50% speed, people think I'm pretty masochistic for it, lol
lost rose
Yeah the bosses are.....bad
turbid needle
I remember 500% Alecto with 50% Whipped Frenzy.
"Wanna watch me delete half of Zag's health? Wanna watch me do it again?"
turbid needle
Before the pact rework you could increase enemy damage by up to 500%, to a total of 6x regular damage.
Prior to Super Star, yes.
fallen quarry
ah, I joined a few days after it hit
turbid needle
Gotcha.
It was great, Numbskulls chunking you for 18 damage, Hades killing you through 2 DDs in a single phase 2 spear combo, good times.
prime peak
i used to dump all my heat into enemy damage,,, brimstone lasers were honestly the scariest thing tbh
prime peak
especially since i ran pierced butterfly
turbid needle
Jammin, I'm gonna need you to stop triggering PTSD flashbacks, please.
prime peak
like taking the shield basically became mandatory just so i could breath
worst thing is i hadnt cleared the game, so when superstar came i was locked with that choice until i beat the game
turbid needle
Ouch.
prime peak
i did it, and i feel like im the true god now
shell trout
I Think the keepsakes for all Olympians should have an effect instead of better boons from that God. Currently only Hermes as an interesting keepsake. Make the Poseidon one add bonus slam damage, the Ares one making targets bleed... etc... I think that would be much more enjoyable as I never use since they are a one time thing.
prime peak
you should maybe post that in #hades-feedback my dude, sounds like an interesting idea for people to weigh in on @shell trout
solid solar
I would like that more then increasing rarity for sure
quick vigil
So how does the hera aspect for the bow work?
Like do you have to fire the cast first and then it loads in, or are they already loaded in for when you fire the bow
stable oyster
I believe you need to press r (or whatever your reload key is)
pseudo tapir
What are diamonds even for?
twilit ridge
WELL DONE
I find it so interesting how differently people play the game, some people are just absolute gods with certain weapons and don't use others at all
I feel like I use all equally and I'm relatively equal in skill with them too (currently running 5-6 heat runs and usually clearing/dying to Hades) with an exception for sucking a bit more with the bow
autumn tapir
congrats, I've never been able to get the shield to work well for me
fallen quarry
if you account for the aspects, I basically just run one version of the sword, shield, and bow, and a couple on the rail. I don't like anything about the spear, and haven't really had any desire to run a cast build because the needed boons to pull them off.
I do appreciate the diversity offered, both in ways to play and ways to make it more difficult, and I don't feel bad about picking just what I like of it, and respecting others will run things differently.
twilit ridge
Oh definitely, what with the heat system there's so many things you change things up anyways
I kinda want to try sticking to a specific weapon and exploring it more, I tend to play the same weapons the same way most runs
For example whenever I run rail I'll basically always get the triple special shot hammer, doom on special, dionysus cast and just rely on that for most of my damage
fallen quarry
I used to run that a bit, then I picked up hestia and now I find I like using it more
soooo looking forward to next week :d
pseudo tapir
@covert grove I have a recommendation for a build
Btw awesome videos
Bow glass cannon:
Chiron aspect
Artemis/aphrodite
Deadly flourish (Artemis)
Aphrodite debuff (any)
Chaos
Special damage
Hermes
Special speed
Deadelus
Relentless barrage
Flurry shot
+ any debuff you can find
Really fun
covert grove
@pseudo tapir Thank you! That is a great build, one of the highest single target damage dealers if you get the right stuff.
covert grove
My most recent video actually uses almost that exact build, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzrIHp-f_fo. I think the easiest way to speedrun the game without having to go for super lucky builds is to just get Explosive Return on the shield and a high damage special boon (not Artemis, the explosion cannot crit).
quick vigil
I've always had far more success with the bow and shield special
Maybe Im just not skilled enough but it feels like the ranged weapons not only have the safety of not going melee against enemies but also do more damage
sudden zinc
sword deals most dmg of all the weapons IMO
fallen quarry
I agree, I find the sword pulls off the highest damage, and consistently can deal higher damage. Dash attacks don't count towards the attack speed of your normal attacking, and when you stack attacking and dash attacking, you can do a bunch of attacks very quickly. The sword having the double edge upgrade option makes it very ridiculous.
gloomy scroll
so I was playing bow.. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/305708389256658944/650424540651978805/unknown.png
turbid needle
That can happen if you get the right mutually exclusive hammer upgrades.
Used to happen all the time with the Rail, taking one of Explosive/Piercing Fire and one of the firing modifiers would leave you with Invigorating Blast and Triple Bombard.
gloomy scroll
but it's my first
gloomy scroll
I did
luckily I like explosive shot but..
well it fixed itself for my second hammer
fleet wind
native ether
"Wanna watch me delete half of Zag's health? Wanna watch me do it again?"```
Oh dear i remember thisI specifically ran Stifling Darkness just to avoid Whipped Frenzy
specifically because i was running the Adamant Rail for my first 120 run, just because at the time everyone said it wasn't doable
i proved them wrong :kappa:
Rail's best combo is still probably Aphrodite and Dionysus, especially with Eris, just watch all that free damage roll in
turbid needle
Flurry Fire? I'm actually pretty big on Zeus right now.
turbid needle
When was holding in attack and dash to permanently dash attack added?
native ether
Zeus is good but I think the poison tick rate is just more damage and safer
Zeus would be my number 2 definitely
subtle shale
Yo, anybody got good advice for avoiding damage in Styx when going melee? It feels like a lot of stuff is nearly impossible to avoid but I’m probably just not being careful enough
high crow
which enemies
subtle shale
The dart throwing ones always seem to nick me
The rats I’ve gotten decent at dealing with since their telegraphs are pretty obvious but the dart guys are really hard to keep track of for me
high crow
try listening for RARGH sound
subtle shale
Ooo I’ll have to try that
Especially when they’re armored
I also didn’t notice the vents on a couple of rooms spraying areas with gas so that didn’t help on my last run either
high crow
i once went afk on one of those vents, feelsbadman
high crow
in almost all the small rooms there's usually something you can hide behind
subtle shale
Did it kill you or just reduce to 1HP?
high crow
think i died
subtle shale
That answers my question on if the dot can kill you lol
Yeah I think Styx really forces you to learn good positioning
Flailing around out in the open is a good way to die there
You can brute force through many enemies in the first two levels before they can do much but Styx demands patience
gloomy scroll
I think it's really important in styx if you aren't speedrunning to know what pillars fully degrade and which ones can act as cover no matter how much they are hit. This can allow you to play lots of enemy AIs, especially the laser snakes (which can be really annoying to play around against other enemies) which will just keep shooting the pillar while you can move behind it to fight the others. Satyr projectiles can be destroyed, and their wide spread generally lets you dash out to the side and back to dodge them.
subtle shale
Yeah I can usually deal with them on other weapons, I think it’s just easy to get greedy with sword so I stay close too long and get smacked
I didn’t know you can destroy the projectiles though
That’ll come in handy
native ether
Dash like a maniac and keep satyrs hit stunned
If they're armored, hide behind cover like a baby
Running Spearpoint helps you mitigate damage too cause the initial hit doesn't actually damage you but still procs Spearpoint so the poison won't hurt you for 1.5 seconds.
Which is why I'm usually running Spearpoint in Styx. It's good for Hades lasers and shockwaves and melees as well
high crow
overall spearpoint is propably the best keepsake to get consistent wins with, atleast for the last couple of planes
astral pebble
So what’s new in Hades
velvet shadow
Woo! Just cleared the game with no darkness!
Decided to try it after Meg gave me a hard time about using the mirror
empty canopy
Just curious, does anyone who posts gameplay here like start a new file when a new update comes out? Mainly curious since i want to see people start from the start and how the up[dates mesh with that