#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 283

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 4:42 PM

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individual ones are quite bad, yea

manic ermine Oct 21, 2019, 4:45 PM

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For comparison of call damage: Aphrodite 0/2500, Ares 567/3402, Artemis 182/2730, Poseidon 560/2800, Dionysus 560/1694, Zeus 630/3360

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Epic levels

native ether Oct 21, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Acorn is definitely good. I don't think it'll block as much as the Spearpoint on Hades mainly just cause of how many attacks Hades combos you with

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Like 8 hits isn't very many hits in the Hades fight. It's probably amazing for Theseus though.

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 4:49 PM

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i use spearpoint for styx, not for the boss - really see hardly any value for it vs him

native ether Oct 21, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Lasers

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 4:50 PM

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oh right thats true

native ether Oct 21, 2019, 4:50 PM

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I'm incredibly bad at the laser attack. It's always what kills me

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 4:50 PM

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but they dont hit me

native ether Oct 21, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Also it will block the latter 2 melee hits

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So you won't get combo hit into oblivion

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Also can protect you from being shockwaved if you get urn hit

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 4:51 PM

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i always take damage from the last hit there only

native ether Oct 21, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Same, mostly cause I timed my dash badly

tawdry jackal Oct 21, 2019, 4:54 PM

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aside from Power Level (X amount of extra effect) what else changes with boon Rarity?
I was really surprised when my Epic Cast became Heroic with Eurydice's Delight
is it possible to make an Heroic boon legendary?

like
Bring an Heroic boon to Eurídice and eat her Ambrosia Delight and see it become Legendary maybe?

native ether Oct 21, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Nope, just power level

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That would be a neat trade-off but I think I'd like to see that on a different npc, perhaps one in Styx or something

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 4:57 PM

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i was wondering the same yesterday(the legendary part) and got a no - ill definitely try to force it if i get a heroic boon early enough or get my proof against it

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probably gonna find out its impossible but i have to see

tawdry jackal Oct 21, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Once I traded Level.3 Epic Ares Special on old Bow for a Level.4 Heroic Athena's Special

never. again.

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wow
imagine if we get even another Biome NPC like Sisyphus, Euridice and Patroklus! maybe a laid back, drunk satyr that doesnt wanna fight? xD

I doubt that, but that'd be cool
and a rathe rare encounter there as well

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:05 PM

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we have to see with the chiron athena ares idea but normally i only see athena on bow special as good if i go for a full attack build on the bow and use this as utility to defend and the rarity absolutely doesnt matter

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so yea that must have hurt 😄

native ether Oct 21, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Pan :p

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Though he's more of a god

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:07 PM

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or maybe someone that is also trying to escape

native ether Oct 21, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Keepsakes are honestly the biggest run enablers in the game, right up there with aspects. They're stronger than people give credit.

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@tall gulch are you playing gamepad cause it doesn't do that for me

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(I'm kbm)

manic ermine Oct 21, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Bone hourglass and eye of lamia can last two biomes

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:08 PM

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I'm on kbm

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:08 PM

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doesnt even have to be a friendly character, just someone that was locked up in tartarus from mythology and with the changes happening sees his chance to escape

native ether Oct 21, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Huh. Check your settings, it doesn't do that for me.

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:09 PM

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It's doing it regardless of settings

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Which I said in the feedback

toxic tusk Oct 21, 2019, 5:09 PM

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The fact that the gods keepsake force you to get a specific god, it's just too good. You can force the game a little bit to your way (but RNG still plays a major role)

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:09 PM

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I've done every combination of aim assist and attack at cursor being turned on or off

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:10 PM

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oh i see that behaviour as well

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even without aim assist

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only really happens if i dash basically in the same motion

tawdry jackal Oct 21, 2019, 5:10 PM

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maybe its not friendly at all, and you fight like Asterius, just that he gives you something if you beat him, and he always comically dies in a stupid ways when you both part ways to continue trying to escape

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:11 PM

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My guess is that it counts as the cursor being on the enemy

tawdry jackal Oct 21, 2019, 5:11 PM

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would also be cool to see "heroes" venturing into the underworld or something
Zag trying to escape
Heroes trying to get there

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:11 PM

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So tries to apply the center of the mortar as being on the enemy, rather than the ground at that location

broken cipher Oct 21, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Also, Broken Spearpoint is incredible.

woeful stirrup Oct 21, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Just had a fun run where my main source of damage was Dionysus cast.

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With Dio special on gun and the boon that makes festive fog do damage on poisoned enemies.

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:15 PM

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yea its a great cast

manic ermine Oct 21, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Dio's cast is the best bar hunting blades

woeful stirrup Oct 21, 2019, 5:16 PM

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And some good ol' Chaos cast damage.

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Also got some good Ares stuff on my main attack and the Artemis boon for additional attacks everytime I attack/special/cast.

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Felt pretty good, especially when I got a crit with the cast.

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:17 PM

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I don't think there's really a best cast

woeful stirrup Oct 21, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Depends on the situation. I'm personally not fond of Zeus and Ares cast.

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:18 PM

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I don't like Ares and Aphro casts

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But Dio cast has the issue of not lodging in opponents

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Which limits possible abilities

woeful stirrup Oct 21, 2019, 5:18 PM

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True, but the damage definitely makes up for it.

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:19 PM

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ares seems really bad without hunting blades(and also doesnt stick)

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:19 PM

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It does roughly the same damage

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Except for when you have the Dio legendary

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But the stagger on enemies in the fog is really useful

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So it's a question of utility vs damage burst

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:20 PM

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? - dio is the highest damage cast and even aoe with that stagger benefit

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just harder to aim

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with that slow travel

crimson geyser Oct 21, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Aphro cast is prob my fav

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I also do like Zeus cast but I rarely seem to ever see zeus

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:21 PM

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aphro cast is still great and i sadly have to agree it needed that nerf

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Zeus is really strong with focus on his boons

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And I'm not saying that Dio doesn't have the highest damage cast Uenuku

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I'm saying it's not significantly higher.

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:24 PM

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by it self it is

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its just the fact it doesnt stick to buff attack and special

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:25 PM

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The only god that Dio cast does a lot more damage than is Poseidon

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Not counting ares and aphro because their casts behave a lot differently

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:25 PM

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aphro is almost the same

tawdry jackal Oct 21, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Im trying to make the Ultimate Hunting Blades build

Legendary Poseidon's Aspect

Ares (actually got all of these last time I tried)
Slicing Shot
Black Metal
Engulfing Vortex
Vicious Cycle

Artemis
Deadly Flourish (to enable Duo Boon)
Fully Loaded (wasnt so lucky)
Burst Shot (got it)
HUNTING BLADES (the centerpiece of the build, I was completely denied of it last attempt)
Pressure Points (since Slicing Shot deals so many instances of damage, pressure points ramps it up nicely)

Hermes

Rapid Cast (got it, +88% speed, fully automatic)
Greater Recall (miraculously got it too)

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Aphro is the same if every shot hits the same target

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IIRC

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:26 PM

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not anymore

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it got changed to be just aoe

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in that area

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no individual shots anymore

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but it still sticks

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Oh, missed that change

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:29 PM

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so i always had to chose between aphro cast with 128 base damage and dio 140 for highest cast damage - and id go with aphro since it was instant and i couldnt miss

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thats why aphro cast was nerfed

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oh both for epic ofc

manic ermine Oct 21, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Dio bloodstones respawn a lot faster than it takes for dislodge

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Yes

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:29 PM

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with aspects that depends now

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:30 PM

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But for example, artemis boons to reduce dislodge time and damage on dislodge

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Don't work with Dio

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:30 PM

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and dont get offered

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so they dont block the good boons

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Or Dio cast doesn't get returned with poseidon aspect

tawdry jackal Oct 21, 2019, 5:31 PM

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its been a very long time I've been offered the Dislodge damage one, it seems godly with Poseidon Aspect Sword

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:31 PM

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It is

manic ermine Oct 21, 2019, 5:31 PM

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I'm sure its the reason the damage got halved

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Also the fact that poseidon aspect gives a bonus to cast damage

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Even with the damage halved it's still really good

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Since you can dash on the special windup

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:32 PM

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i think that is the reason(poseidon aspect) that dio cast didnt get nerfed

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Meaning you don't have to be right on top of the enemy to get max benefit

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:33 PM

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well - poseidon and achilles and probably eris

tall gulch Oct 21, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Combine that with the Hermes extra dashes and legendary for auto pick up

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:33 PM

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since hera which makes dio cast hit instant gives no cast damage

toxic tusk Oct 21, 2019, 5:43 PM

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You got me thinking: Hera's Bow, Dio cast with Zeus Duo Boon 🤔

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 5:45 PM

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sounds fun but i didnt get it so far

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like its probably more fun to play but hermes recall, artemis cast buffs(as well as chaos) are better for damage i guess

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(and artemis to crit with it)

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getting zeus seems to always be the second best option

turbid needle Oct 21, 2019, 6:02 PM

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I'm gonna be doing some streaming and play testing more runs later and go for at least an hour or two

tawdry jackal Oct 21, 2019, 6:04 PM

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oh, whats your stream adress?

turbid needle Oct 21, 2019, 6:17 PM

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I'm CrazedPorcupine on twitch. I'll announce my stream in #self-promotion when I'm ready

crimson geyser Oct 21, 2019, 6:21 PM

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dang i still have yet to go into a run with an intent to create a specific type of build, i kinda just go with whatever comes up and seems to synergize with what i got before. y'all's discussion about build planning is interesting

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 6:26 PM

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like i said before - i usually jump in and see what the first boon(or hammer) is, give up and know whats coming up so i can plan with that

proper beacon Oct 21, 2019, 6:42 PM

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I'm not getting any purple key reward from bosses, is this a bug?

woeful stirrup Oct 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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What do you get instead?

errant narwhal Oct 21, 2019, 6:54 PM

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have you completed your previous bounty level?

proper beacon Oct 21, 2019, 6:55 PM

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you might have a point there alma

errant narwhal Oct 21, 2019, 6:55 PM

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yeah you have to complete it on a certain level of heat before you can move on to a higher level, otherwise itll be darkness

proper beacon Oct 21, 2019, 6:56 PM

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alrighty, thank you!

meager badger Oct 21, 2019, 7:14 PM

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I would love to have more Dussa storyline . She is so cute and adorable <3 Need more Dusa

woeful stirrup Oct 21, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Yes.

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Dusa deserves more screen-time.

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Actually, let Zagreus rest for an update or two and make Dusa the main character during that time.

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House cleaning game.

crimson geyser Oct 21, 2019, 7:20 PM

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haha

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house cleaning mini game

native ether Oct 21, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Ideas for April fool's :kappa:

turbid needle Oct 21, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Btw I'm streaming if anyone is interested in watching

proper beacon Oct 21, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Is there a way to find out where I'm suppose to do a bounty, I totally lost track of it 😊

gloomy scroll Oct 21, 2019, 9:17 PM

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uh

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you just beat the game on higher and higher heat and get rewards per boss

proper beacon Oct 21, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I see, now I get it, thank you!

gloomy scroll Oct 21, 2019, 9:18 PM

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👍

proper beacon Oct 21, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Gotta put those hours into final one, he's crushing me right now xD

tawdry jackal Oct 21, 2019, 9:28 PM

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guys
is bonus move speed ANY good AT ALL?
like, Zag's Sword Aspect is midly good, its like, pleasant to move faster but doesnt really do anything?
and Hermes 40% extra move speed Greater Haste

i mean, i wanna understand the appeal of it, cuz i dont really get it?

broken cipher Oct 21, 2019, 9:38 PM

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As someone who a) has a strong Sword bias and b) is admittedly pretty bad at this game: extra movement speed is great. I haven't tried the Sword Aspect yet but I do take Greater Haste whenever it's offered because it makes dodging incoming projectiles and kiting bosses far easier. For someone that's already very good at these things it may not be at all important. But it definitely helps.

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That and outrunning the mini chariots. . . >~> Ugh. Flamewheels. Terrible.

tacit jetty Oct 21, 2019, 9:43 PM

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In a similar vein I really like Drift Dash, you can literally outrun Asterius' charge attack with that ability, among other things if you use it right

tawdry jackal Oct 21, 2019, 9:50 PM

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oh
that brings some light to it all
thank you! x3
ill play tag with Asterius someday now x3

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I just dash against him or to the sides until he hits a pillar, Theseus or the wall
works 97% of the times

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and yeah
I preffer fightining 20 Big Chariots instead of 50 Flamewheels xD

tacit jetty Oct 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Yeah I try to get him to run into the pillars, but more often than not he ends up looping around them and smashing into me anyway lol

broken cipher Oct 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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^^^^^THAT

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Also, Hermes boons in general are great. Extra dashes? Yes please.

wind vale Oct 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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i lost a death defiance to hermes move speed boon - the 30% from zag sword aspect combined with hermes 40% s just too much for me and i cant properly control it anymore 🙂

crimson geyser Oct 21, 2019, 10:02 PM

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I actually was intentionally leading asterius around the pillars the other day because I had ares dash and five consecutive dashes with hermes' help, so he was just following me for a while running over my blade rifts lol

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I think he eventually stopped on his own

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Hmm, does anyone have any feelings on the current state of there being a required dash cooldown even if you're dashing slower? I kinda feel like if you dash slow enough then you should be able to get into a consistent rhythm, but that with extra dashes you should be able to dash more in that timeframe.. like maybe the cooldown timer could start counting after your first successive dash instead of your last? Of course the duration would need to be increased a bit to compensate, maybe moreso with more dashes, but with a function so that you can dash more often if you have more consecutive dashes in your repertoire? Idk does that make any sense?? Lol....

jaunty pewter Oct 21, 2019, 10:54 PM

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just beat the game (as it is now) for the first time!!

narrow steeple Oct 22, 2019, 12:42 AM

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I feel like move speed is a stat that is as good as you are comfortable playing with. I'm the kind of person that is "gotta go fast" all the way, with Zag Sword, Lambent Plume, 40%, and the bonus move after dash, just because it's available to do. Does it help my playstyle? Maybe, maybe not, and it certainly wouldn't help someone that doesn't like that sort of gameplay. Long story short, move speed is as good for you as you make it.

autumn tapir Oct 22, 2019, 1:22 AM

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40% speed and maybe lambent plume is as high as I can go

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drift dash screws me up more than it helps

narrow steeple Oct 22, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Things get really fun with Spent Spirit. Suddenly you're literally running circles around projectiles. Useless? Probably. And considering there are so many keepsakes that will speed up your run more than Plume, and way better defensive options, it's really just a meme build.

tacit jetty Oct 22, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Man I got Spent Spirit for the first time yesterday and I regret sleeping on it for so long, I felt like I was in a John Woo movie lol

narrow steeple Oct 22, 2019, 2:04 AM

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I've yet to be disappointed from an Aphro duo boon

wicked spire Oct 22, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Just finished a run and wanted to share/ask about legendary boons (it was a barrier that had 20 sec cooldown), I have done only 54 runs in total and I've never found one of those, are there many of these rare boons? are they a recent addition to the game?

narrow steeple Oct 22, 2019, 2:27 AM

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Not recent, but they require specific boons to already be taken in order for them to have a chance to appear. There's 1 legendary boon per god and 2 for Hermes, iirc.

wicked spire Oct 22, 2019, 2:31 AM

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oh I see, I love the depth of this game... haha

crimson geyser Oct 22, 2019, 5:35 AM

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somehow i had like 1 or 2 legendaries and like 2-4 duos (can't remember exactly) in a run the other day, and i was just taking stuff that seemed good i don't even know how the order all works. i guess that was just super lucky. i really don't come across legendaries much either, but i do try to focus more on the same god/few gods in a run now knowing that i might eventually get a legendary out of it

turbid needle Oct 22, 2019, 5:57 AM

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I decided to start from square one, see how much I had forgotten and get used to all the new stuff (haven't played since march 😮 ) and, i love the new boon system, hooooow do I tell if my duo is applying? 😅

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What Duo do you have? They all work very differently.

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((well first, beat meg first try, tutorial run))

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Exclusive access from Dio and Pos

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So if you check the boon text, it sets all future boons to a minimum rarity of Epic. Duo and Legendary are technically higher-tiered, so this doesn't lock you out of those boons.

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You don't have to do anything to make it work.

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Ohhhh so any future boons I get are epic or higher, that's neat. I love the new duo system too

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There's also so many new currencies and stuff I am unaware of, I suppose I will get in to it as I play, I can't believe I ever stopped playing

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Diamonds, keys, these emerald things, i wonder what they do

inland pebble Oct 22, 2019, 10:17 AM

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Buying pretty stuffs and upgrades, mostly.

woeful stirrup Oct 22, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Got a fun Poseidon sword run with the Artemis/Zeus duo boon. And a few other Artemis and Zeus boons to complement it. Took down Hades mostly with the lightning damage from my 7 casts lying around stumptLol

manic ermine Oct 22, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Turns out poms give 355 gold if you don't have any god boons

turbid needle Oct 22, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Wait, what?

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Like, you spawned into a Hammer and then found a Pom before a boon?

atomic panther Oct 22, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Or sold your last boon in a purging pool after a Pom room spawned ahead

turbid needle Oct 22, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Oh, that too.

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 5:49 PM

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because who would need boons?

turbid needle Oct 22, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Double Nova, Relentless Barrage Chiron, and pre-nerf Spread Fire Hestia would agree with you.

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 5:49 PM

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also i can confirm - you can not upgrade a heroic boon to legendary at eurydice

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just managed to get there with only 1 heroic boon(lvl2 special) 1 chaos boon and 1 chaos curse

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nothing upgraded at all

manic ermine Oct 22, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I'm doing a godless run, at styx with no boons

turbid needle Oct 22, 2019, 5:51 PM

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...

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I applaud your fortitude.

manic ermine Oct 22, 2019, 6:04 PM

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40 minute victory because shield is op
https://imgur.com/qWMYglV

Imgur

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Styx rng forced me to take artemis call and oceans bounty

ember lotus Oct 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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You managed to skip all the miniboss rooms?

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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not to mention the huge amount of moral support you get from all the olympians 😄

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gz

manic ermine Oct 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Everytime I got a god boon I picked cast/special/call and didn't use it

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ethical

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 6:09 PM

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oh also - about the pom giving 355 - was that a normal pom or the super pom? and are they different (or did you test that?)

ember lotus Oct 22, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Ah, and then you sold them

manic ermine Oct 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Was a super pom, another one gave 385, it was the old 'vast riches' choice

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Didn't have the chance to try regular ones

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 7:47 PM

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i just got the build we thought about yesterday - chiron bow with ares on special, athena on attack and their duo (and flurry shot and relentless barrage)

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i cant activate their duo enough to justify using flurry shot

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really dont like that one to aim

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its still a fine build

toxic tusk Oct 22, 2019, 7:52 PM

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@wind vale I think there's one build that was talked here, that was Chiron Bow, Aphrodite attack, Artemis special and the duo-boon. Might be also nice (too bad about that last, thought it would be better)

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 7:54 PM

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its really good

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i just see no value from flurry shot at all

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how does the ares aphrodite duo work now?

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i mean how does it work with stacking doom, dire misfortune impending doom and all that

toxic tusk Oct 22, 2019, 7:56 PM

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I think it's still more crit damage on enemies with weak status

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 7:56 PM

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oh wait i misunderstood

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ok lets see about what you actually wrote 🙂

toxic tusk Oct 22, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Now I'm confused 😂

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 7:59 PM

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i didnt read aphrodite artemis right - was just thinking what i was playing (and writing) and misunderstood

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but that seems like just a really solid build or just what i often try to get

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but since i usually go for athena as third god with the two and aim for both of artemis duos with them (hoping more for artemis athena) ill probably try for the higher damage but larger(and therefore harder to get) version with aphrodite on special using the 3 since that would be a harder hitting attack supported by crit

toxic tusk Oct 22, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Seems better yea. I'm just on a phase: thinking about crazy funny buils, even though they might not be all to good

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 8:09 PM

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oh about fun builds - i got athena cast with zeus duo on achilles spear earlier

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was quite good as well

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for playing spear

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id probably go for poseidon sword on that one tho

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the +150% damage casts hit really hard tho

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but poseidon with +50% would be way more convenient to play

atomic panther Oct 22, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Poseidon Aspect + Ares Cast is my favorite way to play now

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 8:13 PM

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why that combination?

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i mean ares cast doesnt stick

toxic tusk Oct 22, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Meat grinder cast damage 😂

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Must do a lot of damage

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 8:14 PM

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oh so gotta get lots of casts?

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because i always go for achilles spear with it for the much higher buff

toxic tusk Oct 22, 2019, 8:14 PM

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The Poseidon Aspect gives +50% cast damage at max level

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If you go hard on a Ares-Artemis build for the cast, the damage will be crazy

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 8:16 PM

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i know but i dont mind having to manually buff 2 casts at a time using a great movement ability and getting +150% instead of the +50% here

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it might just become a bit cumbersome if i got too many casts to handle

atomic panther Oct 22, 2019, 8:17 PM

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I also just prefer Stygius's moveset to Varatha's

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 8:17 PM

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oh i definitely understand that

toxic tusk Oct 22, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Zagreus aspect is my favourite

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 8:18 PM

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its why i like being able to use cast builds with the spear so i dont have to rely on too much of it

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the sword has good enough attacks to do other stuff

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and i kinda want to use all weapons, not just for bounties

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also running away with that teleport is sometimes funny

toxic tusk Oct 22, 2019, 8:20 PM

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And the new daedulus hammer upgrade for the sword that launches the damage waves (can't remember the name) makes you want to go for a attack build

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 8:21 PM

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it looks really nice

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(i think its called piercing wave)

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but it having no interaction with boons makes it less interesting to me

toxic tusk Oct 22, 2019, 8:23 PM

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That would probably be overkill

wind vale Oct 22, 2019, 8:23 PM

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i know it would be too strong

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but personally i would much prefer a weaker base and maybe smaller/shorter version that can get buffed

manic ermine Oct 22, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Eh consider it a 70% ish increased damage boon

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Not stacking further is fine

toxic tusk Oct 22, 2019, 8:35 PM

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I can almost keep your distance and kill stuff (if the enemies are weak)

karmic ginkgo Oct 22, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Hey so like
I just greater recall and support fire

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With aphro cast

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So i jusy beat the game by being a shot gun mad man

naive cobalt Oct 22, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Took the plume and, without even really trying for it, beat my time record by like almost 10 minutes o/O
https://i.imgur.com/MTO0A8m.png

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Got some great boons, tho

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Lv 3 Artemis special, +30% swift flourish, super nova and double nova

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I got +22% damage on weak foes, got passion dash and blight strike for easy privileged status

fallen quarry Oct 23, 2019, 12:07 AM

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how much darkness can be used for a run?

autumn tapir Oct 23, 2019, 12:13 AM

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as much as you have, unless you use a certain Heat option

fallen quarry Oct 23, 2019, 12:14 AM

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ah, so the fated dice one is endless then

autumn tapir Oct 23, 2019, 12:15 AM

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not endless but it costs so much that it may as well be

naive cobalt Oct 23, 2019, 12:33 AM

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I'm getting close to the 40,000 die

atomic panther Oct 23, 2019, 12:35 AM

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You can put up to 165,000 darkness into Fated Authority

eternal stag Oct 23, 2019, 1:20 AM

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aughh i was having a great run and then i clicked 'give up' in the main room of the temple of styx when i thought the option would be 'quit'

wooden spade Oct 23, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Just beat the butterfly mini boss in <30 seconds woooooo! Still don’t like it but I’m happy

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(Don’t like the mini boss, that is)

fallen wind Oct 23, 2019, 2:27 AM

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Just did my first run using the Achilles Aspect on the Spear. It was an unmitigated disaster. First Aspect I've tried that just felt... WRONG. I died in Asphodel (I don't think I've done that in 50 runs. Yikes. Who's had success with Achilles? What's a good plan with that one?

analog plover Oct 23, 2019, 2:41 AM

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Did you know that you can recall the spear normally with the attack button? That's pretty helpful when it ends up in a bad spot e.g. over lava.

fallen wind Oct 23, 2019, 2:44 AM

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I did figure that out, yes, but it... didn't seem to help much. I mean, I could have transitioned to not using the Achilles aspect at all with only using normal spear recalls (and likely made it further) but I figured that was not really test driving the Aspect (which is what I wanted to do).

onyx iron Oct 23, 2019, 3:55 AM

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@naive cobalt I've gotten that same exact build before, it's pretty nutty. Had a bunch of artemis critical buffs on top as well... but that hermes special speed buff is just.. It was quite fantastic

granite agate Oct 23, 2019, 4:13 AM

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whats the plume do

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and how does one aquiree it

onyx iron Oct 23, 2019, 5:55 AM

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it gives bonus to dodge and speed for each encounter you clear under 30 seconds iirc

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I'd give you the exact values, but I'm not sure if they were changed by the last few patches and I rarely use it

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but you can get it from gifting ambrosia to hermes

granite agate Oct 23, 2019, 6:06 AM

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gifting ambrosia to a god

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wat

analog plover Oct 23, 2019, 6:08 AM

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Press the gift button next to a god's boon before picking it up

meager lynx Oct 23, 2019, 8:33 AM

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kinda confused on how call works? i've been ignoring all the boons for it. do u unlock it later on bc i've already cleared tartarus and still haven't been able to figure it out

manic ermine Oct 23, 2019, 9:23 AM

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Calls are part of your main boon sets that you can only have one at a time, Any of the main gods can offer you their call.

woeful stirrup Oct 23, 2019, 9:28 AM

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Once you get a call, there's a bar below your health with several segments. It fills when you deal and take damage. Once a segment is filled, you can use your call (with RT I believe on controller). If you wait for it to be entirely filled, you can use it all at once with the same button to do a Greater Call, which is a very upgraded version of the call.

native ether Oct 23, 2019, 1:15 PM

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It's not just you @ripe iron and the larger the monitor resolution you play with, the smaller it is.

small gorge Oct 23, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Tons of Damage
Hera Bow, Blade Rift cast, Vicious Cycle, Burst Shot, Hunting Blades
too bad that i didnt get Greater Recall
https://imgur.com/SzIL39w

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stark lintel Oct 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/6eDjTko the bow seems to be the only one somewhat consistent at higher hear and a timer on

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heat*

tawdry jackal Oct 23, 2019, 7:17 PM

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wow, thats a pretty minimalistic build
were you avoiding boons?

turbid needle Oct 23, 2019, 7:41 PM

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That's because Chiron is ridiculously powerful.

tawdry jackal Oct 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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well, in Legendary yes XD

manic ermine Oct 23, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Even without Chiron bow special is deceptively powerful, 90 damage bursts that can be doubled with hammer

inland pebble Oct 23, 2019, 8:52 PM

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*+50% with hammer

eternal stag Oct 23, 2019, 9:04 PM

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@wheat elbow i don't have a problem with your suggestion, but chaos is referred to with they/them pronouns

manic ermine Oct 23, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Its still 100% more shots on the hammer upgrade; Only the tooltip changed

lost rose Oct 23, 2019, 9:17 PM

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I definitely saw that bug report but only counted the appropriate 50% when I tried it out - are you sure?

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Are there specific instances when it's happening, or all the time?

manic ermine Oct 23, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Ive had it on two runs, barrage goes from 9 to 18 arrows each time

lost rose Oct 23, 2019, 9:17 PM

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It went from 9 to 15 for me. Weird 🤔

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14, I mean

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9+4.5

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I'll keep an eye on it

hybrid frost Oct 23, 2019, 9:23 PM

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@vast peak The "second aspect of bow description. 9->6 arrows" means that the bow special normally shoots 9 arrows, but will drop to 6 if using this aspect.

manic ermine Oct 23, 2019, 10:57 PM

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https://streamable.com/ahuu5
I can count 18 arrows after the upgrade. I did try to see if it hit 18 times per attack but couldn't get a good visible read.

Streamable

BarrageHammer - Streamable

▶ Play video

lost rose Oct 23, 2019, 11:02 PM

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👍

fallen quarry Oct 24, 2019, 1:38 AM

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For anyone using a controller, does the right joystick control your characters aim in the game? Wasn't sure if it wasn't for just me or if that's how it is.

errant cloak Oct 24, 2019, 2:48 AM

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I think it's the direction you face?

fallen quarry Oct 24, 2019, 2:50 AM

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yikes, I hope that's changed, I really want to use a controller, but always aiming where I'm moving ruins it for me.

green birch Oct 24, 2019, 3:10 AM

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You can turn that off in settings I believe!

fallen quarry Oct 24, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I didn't see anything for it

junior nimbus Oct 24, 2019, 4:00 AM

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Relentless Barrage + Chiron Bow = A LOT OF DAMAGE

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Maybe also explosive arrows and twin shot

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I did this once and I did not regret it at all

native ether Oct 24, 2019, 1:34 PM

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@wooden spade Hestia aspect works off manual reload because:

Helps kinda balance it, it was a bit too strong to just auto receive the buff.
Let's you proc it with Infinity Chamber. You can still reload manually even with Infinity Chamber to get the bonus.

wooden spade Oct 24, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Goooootcha

inland pebble Oct 24, 2019, 3:30 PM

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It's like 1-click 150 base dmg uptick! Super briliant I might say.
Unless you can't aim to save your life and too lazy to click R once in a while lol 🤭

light nova Oct 24, 2019, 3:32 PM

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@stark lintel you can do 24 heat with every weapon. I did so you can too

hybrid frost Oct 24, 2019, 4:26 PM

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I'm curious to know something. Does anyone ever buy the timed benefits from the Well of Charon? Like the increase to cast damage braid? I used to ocassionally buy them, but since the inclusion of the Temple of Styx shop, I only ever buy the healing ones, and then only if I'm desperate. Remember, I'm specifically talking about the ones that only last 3 turns (unless you have Charon's keepsake of course). Do you use them?

grand patrol Oct 24, 2019, 4:27 PM

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i really like the one where foes drop healing items, and i like the extra cast for 3 turns one if ive got spare obol!

hybrid frost Oct 24, 2019, 4:33 PM

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I guess my issue is, I never feel like I have spare obol. Even taking the Hypnos keepsake for Tartarus, looting every non-key obol treasure horde, and breaking every fancy pot I find, I still often don't have enough to buy everything at the end.

grand patrol Oct 24, 2019, 4:36 PM

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oh man i cant even imagine having enough for all the styx stuff haha

manic ermine Oct 24, 2019, 5:00 PM

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The damage boosting well items are only worth it if you're using the hourglass, as then they last a biome or two

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They are too expensive to take normally

naive cobalt Oct 24, 2019, 5:25 PM

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I'll buy some in Styx if I think it'll last into the Hades fight

viscid sun Oct 24, 2019, 8:42 PM

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hello, anybody here? c:

thin jetty Oct 24, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Hi!

viscid sun Oct 24, 2019, 8:42 PM

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is this section spoiler free?

hybrid frost Oct 24, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Uhhhh.....

turbid needle Oct 24, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Not 100%.

viscid sun Oct 24, 2019, 8:44 PM

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okay, i wont spoil stuff. i didnt play the game for quite a while, last time i played was when they introduced the new boss, tho im not sure if another one was introduced in the meantime

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i was just hoping someone could explain me how the new pact of punishment work. i read the description in the game, but didnt understand precisely

wind vale Oct 24, 2019, 8:46 PM

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afaik you get it once you beat the game without it once

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then you see it when you would usually go into a run but instead get the window to prepare

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it doesnt cost any currency to use anymore

viscid sun Oct 24, 2019, 8:47 PM

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i should be more precise: i played a lot of runs with the original pact, i have done the 3 challenges

wind vale Oct 24, 2019, 8:48 PM

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so do you get the pact window when you jump into the window or does it just start without?

viscid sun Oct 24, 2019, 8:48 PM

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i have the window, i didnt understand if the bounties i will get are permanent ones, or expire with each run

wind vale Oct 24, 2019, 8:48 PM

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oh

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ok - you get a bounty for each area boss with each weapon once per difficulty

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so with 0/1/2/...heat once per weapon

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you can use as much heat as you want but it always takes the bounty for the lowest for the weapon(so if you just go 20 heat but havent done 1 it will give the bounties for 1 heat)

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oh also: 1 heat now is supposed to be about as much as 5 heat before - so the numbers are a bit lower

viscid sun Oct 24, 2019, 8:51 PM

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dumb question: what is a bounty?

wind vale Oct 24, 2019, 8:51 PM

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oh sorry

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the main boss for each of the 4 areas gives either a new key or diamond

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the new keys are to unlock the weapon aspects, diamonds mostly for trading (either mostly music stuff or if you dont care for not gameplay relevant stuff into other goods/the new keys)

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but bosses only give that reward if there is still a bounty for that weapon+difficulty+area, else they give darkness

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charons shop in the last area also sells one for a lot of gold(random if he sells a diamond or key)

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and thats afaik always available, regardless of bounties

meager lynx Oct 24, 2019, 8:56 PM

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wait wait so how can u tell if u can get the bounty or not

wind vale Oct 24, 2019, 8:57 PM

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you can see it on the heat screen when you enter

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it shows which were collected and which werent

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if you havent beaten the game once i got no idea how to keep track

meager lynx Oct 24, 2019, 8:58 PM

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oh that makes sense lol

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i only just started

viscid sun Oct 24, 2019, 8:58 PM

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thank you, this was very helpful

meager lynx Oct 24, 2019, 8:58 PM

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yeah thank u

wind vale Oct 24, 2019, 8:58 PM

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oh then basically you get it once per boss and weapon

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just gotta try to remember

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but tbh just play whats fun anyways

meager lynx Oct 24, 2019, 8:59 PM

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okay so after beating the game you can get the bounty more than once?

viscid sun Oct 24, 2019, 8:59 PM

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hope i wont die a miserable way since i havent played in weeks

wind vale Oct 24, 2019, 8:59 PM

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you can increase the difficulty in many ways(quite interesting) and each difficulty levels gives a bounty

hybrid frost Oct 24, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Once per Boss per weapon per heat level, including 0 heat.

wind vale Oct 24, 2019, 9:00 PM

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exactly

meager lynx Oct 24, 2019, 9:00 PM

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ahhh

viscid sun Oct 24, 2019, 9:00 PM

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one last question: did they introduce another "trophy" for heated runs or did they stop at the 120 one? im scared about that lol

wind vale Oct 24, 2019, 9:01 PM

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its still just the 3 statues

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outside of bounty farming

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but ofc its not 120 heat anymore since the numbers changed

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not really sure what it is now

viscid sun Oct 24, 2019, 9:01 PM

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i hope they wont go further, i didnt really like doing it, but i wanted to beat the game

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i just started my 1st run (since the new pact) with 1 heat, will i miss the 0 heat bounty?

turbid needle Oct 24, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Nope, you'll get the 0 Heat bounty first.

wind vale Oct 24, 2019, 9:03 PM

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you can do that any time

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for some reason doing that reset the bounty progress for that weapon somehow but either fixed or for basically noone else 😄

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so i just got easier bounties

hybrid frost Oct 24, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Yeah, I had to specifically set it 0 heat to get the 0 heat bounties. Don't know why...

wind vale Oct 24, 2019, 9:05 PM

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i think it keeps the heat used before - and it kinda urged you to go for it at the start

wooden spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Support Fire with rail is NUTS. Especially with triple shot as well

stark lintel Oct 25, 2019, 4:58 AM

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fun fact if you make it to styx on a fresh new game there won't be a hermes boon, it's just empty

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hades was too hard with only 1 dash tho :<

inland pebble Oct 25, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Yeah, with fresh new game you absolutely need to have Athena Ares combo + Athena extra life to make it. Since there's no way you can dodge all those attacks from Hades. The best defense in that case is only going full offense.

stark lintel Oct 25, 2019, 6:45 AM

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you can iframe dodge the spin

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idk if anything else is a problem but the timing is rather demanding

meager lynx Oct 25, 2019, 8:41 AM

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i thought it was actually pretty easy 👀 i didnt lose a single life bc of the dash deflect

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i forget whose boon it was but that really made everything seem ezpz

atomic panther Oct 25, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Athena grants deflect boons

neon bough Oct 25, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Hey guys, I've been playing for a long time now and can consistently finish the game with my go-to weapons (mainly shield & sword), but for some reason the only weapon I could never beat the game with is the spear. Any advice on gameplay/build on that ?

shrewd moat Oct 25, 2019, 9:03 AM

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I suggest you try going a special build with the spear. It keeps you safe and out of the way and can do some good damage. The gameplay might be slow until you get the boons. The attack and spin are unreliable compared to special

neon bough Oct 25, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Ok, never thought of that ! What boons are good for special ? Ares I'd guess ?

shrewd moat Oct 25, 2019, 9:12 AM

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if you're using the basic speak. the spear flies out and comes back as a special it does a lot of backstab damage. you would want to get boons to increase backstab damage. Athena does good backstab boons.

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if you're going with the achielles(sp?) version, the special is good for repositioning since you dash to where it is positioned. so Ares would be fine for damage.

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although honestly, the spear isn't my main;; it's just how I overcame it since I like to fight away from the enemies.

neon bough Oct 25, 2019, 9:18 AM

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Ok, noted ! Trying a Artemis-based special spear run atm, not too bad for now

neon bough Oct 25, 2019, 10:39 AM

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Ok so

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cast build is just stupidly op

cinder dragon Oct 25, 2019, 3:26 PM

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So, am I crazy, or does the "take more damage from traps" also apply to the asphodel lava?

manic ermine Oct 25, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Lava counts as trap damage

cinder dragon Oct 25, 2019, 3:26 PM

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RIP. No wonder Hydra 2.0 gets so rough when I max out that pact.

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It's funny too, because +trap damage means more or less nothing except for with lava.

slender dagger Oct 25, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Which weapons are best for cast builds?

manic ermine Oct 25, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Poseidon Sword and Eris Rail have solid damage boosts for cast builds. Achilles Spear is also good but can be awkward to use. Hera bow is good in some cases.

slender dagger Oct 25, 2019, 3:46 PM

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tx

wind vale Oct 25, 2019, 4:44 PM

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how crazy have people gone farming gems so far?

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i mean anyone got some of that insanely expensive stuff?

wind vale Oct 25, 2019, 5:41 PM

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wow - what would you do? - i am currently getting towards the end of asphodel, playing chiron bow, crit build(got lvl4 aphro attack, lvl1 artemis special-got the poms before this:(, relentless barrage, hunters mark, chaos special damage) - the exits are 1)hp[only got 125] 2) pom 3)heat gate hermes 4)chaos gate[bought to get it and already bought a new one here]

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could really almost argue for all of these

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also - out of rerolls

narrow steeple Oct 25, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I'd personally go the heat gate, barring that I'd chance the chaos gate.

wind vale Oct 25, 2019, 5:53 PM

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i went for chaos but it was a really hard decision

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in retrospect probably good choice since i got a really strong special boon but that was by far not guaranteed

wind vale Oct 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

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same run still - heart rend(35%) vs epic clean kill(30%) in the middle of elysium

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they do the exactly the same thing, right? - i mean no different base they use or sth?

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and it would only be if im confident ill see heart rend again or not?

neon bough Oct 25, 2019, 7:56 PM

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So how does Blinding Flash works exactly ? You need to deflect a hit to expose the target, or do you just need to use the Athena attack/special/dash and it gets exposed ?

wind vale Oct 25, 2019, 7:57 PM

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any of anthenas deflecting attacks does the job

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no need to actually deflect anything

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attack special dash cast and i think holy shield(damage taken effect) should be it

narrow steeple Oct 25, 2019, 8:19 PM

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I thought Heart Rend was +135%, for a total +335% damage on crit, and Clean kill was 30% for a total +230% crit, but I could be very wrong.

wind vale Oct 25, 2019, 8:26 PM

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the text on it says 35% now but yea i remember that being something like 135

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towards the end i got both of them(i took clean kill there and heart rend way later)

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the effect seemed quite similar

neon bough Oct 25, 2019, 9:40 PM

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Ok thanks @wind vale

hybrid frost Oct 25, 2019, 10:39 PM

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It would seem that when rerolling the chamber rewards in Styx, that they follow some strange arbitary setup of which options each paticular god's boons are allowed to roll into. As in, if I reroll a Zeus boon, it only cycles through Posidion, Centaur Heart, Obol (only if there's no Obol room currently available), and back to Zeus. Dio might be in there too, but the point is, why am I spending all 5 of my FA rolls on the same door if it's only going to roll the same 4 things? That is to say, why does nothing in the game tell you about this?

solar latch Oct 26, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Gawddamnit I had my best run yet, first time making it to Styx, then the stupid bug that doesn't let you select an upgrade happenned when i bought a Pom and restarting the game just put me back at the start. 😢

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Setup was basically super high damage multi-chaos buffed railgun with weak inflicting attack and triple fire + crits on the special.

violet swallow Oct 26, 2019, 2:51 AM

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After this latest patch I'm being forced to add heat even though I haven't beat the final boss yet. Is this expected or a bug?

lost rose Oct 26, 2019, 2:54 AM

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You should never be forced to add heat; you should be able to choose to use no heat on the Pact.

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Do you mean you can't get bounties without using heat?

turbid needle Oct 26, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Sounds like the "was using Heat prior to the Super Star update" bug.

atomic panther Oct 26, 2019, 3:01 AM

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How do you mean forced? Is it not allowing you to start a run without heat?

lost rose Oct 26, 2019, 3:07 AM

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That was patched several patches ago though - it shouldn't still be a problem. Using the Pact/starting a new run resets your heat now

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If they're not up to date on patches, it could be an issue

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@violet swallow Sorry, could you clarify the issue you're having?

violet swallow Oct 26, 2019, 3:36 AM

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I wasn't on the latest patch. It's working fine now.

lost rose Oct 26, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Oh! Glad it's working!

opaque merlin Oct 26, 2019, 9:50 AM

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I've just started an Eris Aspect run and RNGesus continues to bless me. First room: epic Dionysus attack boon. Second room: epic Aphrodite special boon. Third room: Aphro/Dionysus duo boon. No more boons at all for a while, and then 2nd room in Asphodel: Eurydice to bump my only two upgradeable boons up to Heroic. I'm gonna feel like such a putz if I don't make it out on this one

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... and just got an Aphro/Dio trial room with epic Sweet Surrender and epic Peer Pressure

opaque merlin Oct 26, 2019, 10:20 AM

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nope, killed by poison BS in Styx 😦

turbid needle Oct 26, 2019, 3:26 PM

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RIP

tawdry jackal Oct 26, 2019, 3:36 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/ye3b2aS

Imgur

stable oyster Oct 26, 2019, 3:37 PM

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This is what we call a corporate takeover

tawdry jackal Oct 26, 2019, 3:37 PM

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guys, not to be salty or anything but it shouldnt be possible for all 3 options be Exchanges
like, I had a pretty good build, luckily Ares Special didnt mess it too much

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oh, and I didnt know Spent Spirit affected Theseu's Spear!
it was so fun to just bat it aside with my Athena Attack on my own Achiles Spear XD

turbid needle Oct 26, 2019, 5:37 PM

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I think I missed clearing the game with all the weapons on 0 Heat.

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ron

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I turned on Extreme Measures and Snake Oil and never turned them off.

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Really, no Saitama OK emote?

brisk island Oct 26, 2019, 5:43 PM

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@turbid needle This one local (in russia) - but l love it: tianPeka

turbid needle Oct 26, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Blood and darkness, that's scary.

brisk island Oct 26, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Almost each streamer have variation of "Peka" (again in russian community) - used often like Kappa

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l'm checked interaction of Artemis "Quick Reload (cast drop)" with Hera Bow - description says its increases Drop Time (to 8s if rare), but ACTUALLY in game logic (code) it decreases by at least 40% (rare), so this is Visual Bug. Poms increasing this percent - but pretty little... by around 4-7% and significantly lower per each next pom.

Also if take Dionysus cast, seems benefits of Hera Aspects removes or not counted at all.
Tested times with stopwatch on phone, Hera 6,67s + Quick Reload Rare = ~3,4-4s
Dionysus Cast - 5,2s drop time with Quick Reload Rare lvl2 - should was be ~3,5... but seems game logic dropped Hera Aspect on the way.

tawdry jackal Oct 26, 2019, 7:13 PM

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ehm, I.... just tested out Bow's Zagreus Aspect and like
isnt this extremely useless?
I literally killed Skelly 4 times before I got my first critical...

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maybe with Pressure Points then it'd be doable, raising the natutal crit chance to +10%....

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someone tell me if Im wrong, please?

small gorge Oct 26, 2019, 7:49 PM

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the only Zag aspect that useful is the Spear

tawdry jackal Oct 26, 2019, 9:50 PM

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like
Sword Zagreus Aspect at Legendary (+30% speed)- pretty pleasant to play, but doesnt help much overall, its just starting with Hermes Greater Haste

Spear Zag Aspect even from Rare (+60% speed and range) forward - Actually makes the Spear Special usable, I now even really enjoy playing it, before I avoided Spear like the plague because of the slow, janky Special and even slower Spin Attack

Shield Zag Aspect, from Epic (+10% total damage resist) forward - it's actually pretty good for tanking in higher damage runs, like Max Overtime, Max Security or Max Hard Labour

Bow Zag Aspect, even at Legendary (+5% crit chance on main attack only) it feels very very underpowered, maybe I should just keep trying it out until Ifind a good build/combination for it, but for now its the only one of the Basic Aspects that didnt make my eyes shine the least...

Rail Zag Aspect, any of these are a plain, objectively good upgrade - the reloading function always frustrated me because of how slow and often it was. I got it to Legendary (+12 bullets) and then the Flurry Fire (+6 ammo, more accurate), it was 30 bullets between reloads, feels pretty awesome x3, just wish the Piercing Fire actually damaged Shield Heroes from the front

naive cobalt Oct 26, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Im a big fan of Zag rail

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With its legendary, flurry fire, and swift strike, you just can't go wrong

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Unloading poison/lighting at a rate off the charts

hybrid frost Oct 26, 2019, 11:58 PM

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I have an extreme dislike for reloading, so I'll always try to get either Flurry Fire or Infinity Chamber if possible. My latest run using Eris Aspect (Legendary) with 6 heat (max Extreme Measures, max Middle Mangement, and lvl2 Calisthenics Program), I ended up with Explosive Fire first (my favorite to pair with the first 2 options) and then my 2nd hammer offered the choice of Inescapable Blast, Tripple Bomb, or Spread Fire. Now, normally I'd choose Tripple Bomb every time because I know it performs well. But I was low on boons, didn't have a Special upgrade boon yet, and had a Chaos attack damage boost, so I decided to give Spread Fire a chance, an upgrade I'd yet to try. The result? Shotgun Rail = Best Rail. The trick was to dash in close and hit the target with all 5 explosive area-of-effect shots at once. I tell you I have never seen late game enemies die so fast, even on 0 heat runs. Final Boss didn't even kill me once which is a first for me.

tawdry jackal Oct 27, 2019, 12:54 AM

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OH MY GOD
@naive cobalt ! I had this build!
Legendary Zag Rail, Flurry Fire, Epic Swift Strike, Rare Zeus Attack and Epic Support Fire
IT WAS. RIDICULOUS XD ❤

teal helm Oct 27, 2019, 1:02 AM

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@wary plume could you expand on your "rabdom mode" request?

tawdry jackal Oct 27, 2019, 2:23 AM

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hmmm
MAYYYYBE Zagreus Bow Aspect can be good if Artemis is main goddess of the run?

5% nat (on attack only, doesnt make sense) +15-20% from Attack, +5% pressure points

even pressure points only would make Zag's Bow a little better ....

fallen quarry Oct 27, 2019, 3:39 AM

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I'm personally a fan of the attack on the bow, not the special or cast, so I run zag since it's the best option that route. It really is only a small buff, but better than nothing.

I do usually go with artemis for my attack.

turbid needle Oct 27, 2019, 7:51 AM

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Is Charm supposed to count for Privileged Status? I'm kinda surprised it doesn't make enemies Weak.

turbid needle Oct 27, 2019, 8:07 AM

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There's no way to chain Punishing Sweep into itself, correct?

tawdry jackal Oct 27, 2019, 11:59 AM

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what do you mean chaining PS into itself?
like doing two in a row?
I think its okay, the damage increase affects everyone that survived inside the Initial Sweep
if you 2 two in a row, the second one has increased damage (based on weapon rarity) and it resets the timer

wind vale Oct 27, 2019, 2:07 PM

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about the zagreus bow aspect /artemis attack/pressure points

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i see that the exact opposite way

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if you get crit chance its the best to specifically not take artemis

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that is exactly where it has the smallest value

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that is because artemis has the lowest damage increase(comparing with other % damage increases, not static ones)

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its only different if you focus on the crit damage increases but that would make it a different sort of build

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zagreus aspect on the bow would have the largest effect if used with aphrodite since she gives the highest % damage increases and i think that is the target of that aspect

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since artemis was basically always the best choice for bow attack its probably supposed to give a buff that is better for all competitors than her

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but the problem with low crit chances on the bow is that the attack hits hard but not as often - this gives a larger chance for any critical hit to massively overkill which significantly lowers its value since any damage over the kill gives nothing

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that all being said - i would still take artemis for bow attacks and just ignore the aspect gives less than with other gods but it wouldnt be as bad having to take others(as long as they are at least %damage gods)

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and i think that may have been the intention(at least somewhat)

tawdry jackal Oct 27, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Aphrodite, Poseidon, Athena and Artemis are the Damage% Increase gods
I understand that the Zag Bow Aspect is like free 5% crit chance, but thats extremely low for a slow hitting weapon like Bow Main Attack

if you take a dmg% increase god, the crits will be a nice unexpected, unreliable surprise
if you take artemis, her damage is very low (but upgradeable, and I almost always take her boon that makes critcs deal 30% more damage anyway) but the critcs go up to at least 20%, even more if Pressure Points is taken too
makes it actually attractive

Im just being a buttface about this Aspect because its the only one that I found useless on its own, appart from special build

tawdry jackal Oct 27, 2019, 4:20 PM

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oh
just found out a way to inflict Priviledge Status with only 1 strike from the Main Attack
and you only need 5 boons for it XD

turbid needle Oct 27, 2019, 4:22 PM

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I actually tried playing a little bit with Hades and I get how it works now.

tawdry jackal Oct 27, 2019, 4:22 PM

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I got it in a Bow Run, but works with any
Poseidon Strike or Flourish
Razor Shoals
Zeus Aid
Jolted
Sea Storm

now everytime you hit an enemy with an attack, they get Ruptured AND Jolted at the same time XD

turbid needle Oct 27, 2019, 4:23 PM

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It doesn't completely change the way the weapon works like Chiron does, but it's a pretty straight upgrade for any Quick Spin builds.

placid silo Oct 27, 2019, 6:46 PM

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I got Hermes' cast boon. Later on I got Tipsy shot. However, the cast wasn't thrown in rapid fire anymore

Anyone had this too?

hybrid frost Oct 27, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Yes, I have. Tispy Shot in general, seems to have issues with how it combos with certain things. Like the Hera bow aspect. If I load all my casts into a single bow shot, it only seems to deal the damage from one of them.

zenith trail Oct 27, 2019, 9:06 PM

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help how does Hermes legendary boon work

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does it make the bloodstones fall out of enemies faster

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or does it just make you pick up the ones on the ground right away

turbid needle Oct 27, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Greater Recall? They float back to you the instant they touch the ground. It doesn't affect them at all until they fall out of enemies whether by a timer or killing an enemy.

tawdry jackal Oct 27, 2019, 9:40 PM

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Greater Recall seems very usefull with Hera's Bow

hybrid frost Oct 27, 2019, 10:55 PM

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It is!

hybrid frost Oct 27, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Is anybody else noticing that Wretched Thugs and Gigantic Vermin seem to be doing their damage before their attack animation?

wary knot Oct 27, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Last time I played, punishing sweep's debuff doesn't boost the damage of the spear's spin? Just your stabs and specials

hybrid frost Oct 28, 2019, 12:00 AM

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@wary knot That's my experience.

wary knot Oct 28, 2019, 12:08 AM

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It's probably for the best, I like the aspects that encourage you to use multiple parts of the weapon. And not just "spin, then spin some more"

zenith trail Oct 28, 2019, 2:40 AM

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Quick suggest a build for rail

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what god do i want

fallen quarry Oct 28, 2019, 3:57 AM

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I call it Derail, going with athena deflect attack, and getting shotgun and explosive rounds and dash attack shot gunning hehe

hybrid frost Oct 28, 2019, 3:59 AM

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@fallen quarry Yeah, shotgun explosion rail is the best rail! Especially if you can nab extra dashes and attack speed boons from Hermes!

fallen quarry Oct 28, 2019, 4:00 AM

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I think my space bar has started developing a sqeak from spamming it at the edge of it lol

turbid needle Oct 28, 2019, 4:01 AM

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I really need to clean my keyboard.

cursive finch Oct 28, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Be careful not to break the binders if you don't have a mechanical keyboard

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I accidentally did that when I cleaned mine

turbid needle Oct 28, 2019, 4:04 AM

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It is, got a switch remover and everything.

cursive finch Oct 28, 2019, 4:05 AM

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Nice

odd jacinth Oct 28, 2019, 6:08 AM

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Quick question: does anyone know how the Rocket and Inescapable Blast work together, if they do?

turbid needle Oct 28, 2019, 6:09 AM

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I am told there is an invisible field around it that slows enemies in it down. I haven't tried them together yet myself.

odd jacinth Oct 28, 2019, 6:10 AM

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I'll test that out, then.

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It seems like it's an on-hit effect, from what I can tell? At least, that's the feeling I'm getting.

turbid needle Oct 28, 2019, 6:16 AM

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Enemies are staying slowed after being hit?

odd jacinth Oct 28, 2019, 6:18 AM

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Yeah. It seems...inconsistent.

My guess is that the effect is applied like usual, but there's an invisible field around the spot your mouse is when you hit special as opposed to a field around the rocket. First thing I did was fire a missile toward a vermin, but just miss it; never got the slow

fallen wind Oct 28, 2019, 11:41 AM

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@ripe iron I think my Hera Bow/Dio Cast may be bugged. Can you describe what you experience?

ripe iron Oct 28, 2019, 11:49 AM

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Yeah dude. Same as other Hera/Cast behaviour, the cast triggers on impact, so when the arrow hits an enemy or a wall. Festive Fog does a huge AoE at 120 damage AoE on impact (per cast preloaded). The arrow itself also hits it's target for base attack x attack boon multiplier/effects as per normal.

fallen wind Oct 28, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Okay, then I have a bug. That is not the behavior I was seeing. When I hit the button to "load" the cast it instantly created the fog right in front of me. Arrow shot did nothing special.

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Thanks.

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Deleted my Feedback post.

manic ermine Oct 28, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Did you get the boon from a swap?

fallen wind Oct 28, 2019, 3:49 PM

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I can't remember. Is that a known issue?

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I think so maybe?

manic ermine Oct 28, 2019, 3:49 PM

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If you swap out your cast boon with hera aspect, your cast just shoots out instantly until you change rooms

fallen wind Oct 28, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Aha!

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I think that's what happened.

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Definitely a bug.

wind vale Oct 28, 2019, 5:41 PM

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another thing that can happen(and gets me quite often when im playing this) - there are sometimes tiny barriers in the way of your shot and you hit them first, so the cast explosion happens there but since your arrow pierces it still hits your real target - very rarely it seems i get like one cast to explode in the barrier and one on the enemy if im basically standing inside of it

toxic tusk Oct 28, 2019, 10:48 PM

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I can't test this for some time, for I was thinking about something: when using the Chirow bow, with Zeus on special does each arrow trigger the effect (I think this was already asked, but can't seem to remember) ?

turbid needle Oct 28, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Only one lightning bolt.

toxic tusk Oct 28, 2019, 10:51 PM

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That it would be that way. Otherwise it would be too good. Thanks

turbid needle Oct 28, 2019, 10:51 PM

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If you get Tempest Flourish (Poseidon) and Sea Storm, you get lightning bolts with all the arrows.

manic ermine Oct 28, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Theres a few inconsistencies, sometimes you can get extra bolts, and if you have the chance for bolts to strike twice boons, every arrow can hit with the second bolt

toxic tusk Oct 28, 2019, 10:57 PM

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That Double Strike 😂

tawdry jackal Oct 28, 2019, 11:45 PM

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Double Strike, Spliting Bolt and Sea Storm put together are really amazing at wittling down enemies with tons of health <3

crystal cedar Oct 29, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Does the Bow or Rail have a dash attack?

naive cobalt Oct 29, 2019, 8:39 PM

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They both do

crystal cedar Oct 29, 2019, 8:39 PM

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kk ty

manic ermine Oct 29, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Bows dash attack is a faster charging variant that does reduced damage, rails is just a basic shot with faster recovery

brisk island Oct 29, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Be with Stygian Blade versus Champion Chariot +30% speed in Erebus feels disgusting. shadedisgruntled

clever stag Oct 29, 2019, 9:05 PM

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So, if you purge sweet nectar, do you lose the extra levels you got from poms of power?

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No, you don't

crystal cedar Oct 29, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Oh! Do those little intros with Hades do anything game related? Like when he says a line and there's like BOY at the bottom

clever stag Oct 29, 2019, 9:07 PM

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I think those are just memories, I haven't seen anything change afterwards

manic ermine Oct 29, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Just flavour

clever stag Oct 29, 2019, 9:13 PM

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I got 390% total damage on special for the rail, and three rockets. That was fun.

brisk island Oct 30, 2019, 12:37 AM

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l'm cant belive my eyes - exist Heroic Ares Engulfing Vortex (additional time to Rift + Pull) https://imgur.com/a/zjR7TCI - this boon can't be upgraded with Poms.

Imgur

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 1:12 AM

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aw - i have to decide to get the absolutely complete build or my key 😦 https://imgur.com/a/tdF6o0p

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Cant get both :(

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build is already absolutely broken at this stage but i could still get high voltage 🙂

eternal stag Oct 30, 2019, 1:15 AM

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man, if you think you can beat final boss i'd get the key

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bummer though :(

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 1:16 AM

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ofc i can

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i decided to backup my save and go for insane first and then reload and go the reasonable route

meager lynx Oct 30, 2019, 1:40 AM

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how do you get so many coins by then omg

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 1:43 AM

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i always try to get a gold gain increase from chaos(especially if i cant benefit as much from attack/special/cast increases) and then i just try not to spend much

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also i tend to do any chest i see

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i think styx alone gives between 600 and 800 without any increase (or chests) depending on luck (also without rerolling a chamber into a gold one - possible after the original gold one is done afaik) - so i try hard to go for more gold if i see i couldnt make it otherwise(mostly in elysium)

meager lynx Oct 30, 2019, 2:43 AM

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ty!!

tawdry jackal Oct 30, 2019, 3:16 AM

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lol
I was offered Curse of Longing 3 times
and as I already had Merciful End on doing great
I just sold it over and over
each time worth 445 Obols, got everything from shop XD

first time Aphrodite was so insistent on showing up, got her over 6 times

woeful stirrup Oct 30, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Never using shops pretty much guarantees you'll have enough even if you don't look for gold gain (although still get all chests)

tawdry jackal Oct 30, 2019, 9:58 AM

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I always try to get everything from Bigger Shops and only the bare essentials in Charon's Well

like
Death Defiance only when I have 1 DD left only
never Yarn
always Treasure Trove
Chaos Light is dependent on situation
Always eye of Lamia
almost never Ignited Ichor, extra cat and atlas braid?

karmic ginkgo Oct 30, 2019, 12:16 PM

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How do use sword well

frosty pier Oct 30, 2019, 12:19 PM

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You stab them with a pointy end... Yeah I will see myself out.

grand patrol Oct 30, 2019, 12:26 PM

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ohhhh i was holding the pointy bit and using the handle...smh THATS whats wrong w my runs

tawdry jackal Oct 30, 2019, 12:30 PM

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@@karmic ginkgo there are many ways to use the Sword well
you can either focus on main attack, special or hybrid

Main Attack Focus: combo a lot, try to dash around and behind, get Hammers that focus on Attacks

Special Attack Focus: dash around and find openings to use Special, cuz its slower now, if you get double nova and hermes faster special though, you can just spam it, specially if you have Super Nova and Athena's Special

Hybrid: the most fun for me, do the first 2 sword strikes and instead of doing a thrust connect a Special, the timing is very similar but the damage is higher with Special instead of Thrust by the end, except when you have Cruel Trust. Hybrid Style is perfect for Nemesis Aspect

karmic ginkgo Oct 30, 2019, 12:33 PM

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man i got a run where i had 2 chaos boons that buffed attack and the buffed dash attack and i just couldnt get a boon that buffed my attack

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it was wild

tawdry jackal Oct 30, 2019, 12:41 PM

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until last month I didnt know Chaos could offer same boons multiple times

I ended up with +75% gold from first chaos boon , +60% gold from second chaos boon and +60% chamber rewards from poseidon

I bough everything from every shop and finished the game with 700+ coins (I always take every treasure trove i find, the reward is much better than risk)

stable oyster Oct 30, 2019, 12:54 PM

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@vast peak chamber save is still here

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You just need to not have gotten hit in the current chamber

acoustic river Oct 30, 2019, 2:35 PM

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boon that gives every attack a critical chance applies to poison?

naive cobalt Oct 30, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Yes

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In the Murder Death Kill update, it was insane, since Hunter's Mark at that time made it so that you basically had a 50+% chance for poison to crit after its first crit on that enemy. In the Big Bad, Hunter's Mark affected adjacent enemies, rather than the one who is crit, but it was still amazing against grouped enemies. Now, Hunter's Mark dissipates after a single crit, so it isn't nearly as good of a combo anymore.

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I still like Pressure Points and Hunter's Mark, but I don't consider them essential for DPS builds anymore

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 2:46 PM

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can still get them anyways since artemis does seem essential 🙂

naive cobalt Oct 30, 2019, 2:46 PM

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With Fully Loaded's rarity being made Legendary, and the Support Fire not being nearly as powerful as it is entertaining, I feel like Artemis has really fallen from grace. Not to say that she's bad, but she's not my go-to anymore.

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I think that Dio and Aphrodite are currently my favs. I've been liking Ares a lot lately, too

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM

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support fire is really only realy great with fast fire rail else you are right

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but artemis+athena duo is still the strongest boon in game

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Merciful End is better.

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 2:48 PM

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nah its good but not even close

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Well, all of them really rely on the boons themselves synergizing.

naive cobalt Oct 30, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Gosh Merciful End back in the initial release of Beefy Update was insane

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I got to use it a little bit before they patched it out

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 2:49 PM

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When it dealt 120 extra damage?

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 2:50 PM

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at which times did it hit double?

naive cobalt Oct 30, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Recursive doom effects didn't diminish over time in the original one. I think its damage was just the same as the base doom, but I might be mistaken

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 2:50 PM

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That's Curse of Longing.

naive cobalt Oct 30, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Ohhh yeah

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Lol

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 2:52 PM

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also back to artemis - when the fully loaded became legendary chaos extra casts were kinda ruined

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making it actually worth being legendary to me

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like you get less casts everywhere except there

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and its not that hard to get from her

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and with all the cast builds coming up i would only say artemis become even more necessary

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but mostly only for burst shot

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which seems harder to get than her legendary...

acoustic river Oct 30, 2019, 3:00 PM

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are there any boons in the game that don't stack?

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 3:06 PM

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depends what you mean

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like you can only get one basic boon for each of the 5 ability slots

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but lots empowering them

acoustic river Oct 30, 2019, 3:07 PM

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basically i will never be offered something that doesn't stack, if it doesn't it would say replace, right?

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 3:07 PM

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exactly

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also chaos and hermes always stack and never replace anything if that is what you meant

acoustic river Oct 30, 2019, 3:09 PM

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yeah basically i can have attack that will poison, lighting, doom, weak all at the same time

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 3:10 PM

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oh not on a single attack since dionysus/zeus/ares/aphrodite(and artemis/athena/poseidon) only replace each other on that ability slot

acoustic river Oct 30, 2019, 3:10 PM

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those would say replace, ok

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 3:11 PM

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yea but ares for example has 'urge to kill' which gives +8/10/12% more damage on attack,special and cast - this is a bonus

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but usually its not possible to get multiple special effects on the same ability without combining quite a bit

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there is a duo boon between poseidon and zeus making it possible but other than that i dont recall anything else

acoustic river Oct 30, 2019, 3:14 PM

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are there any OP duo boons or just god combinations in general?

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 3:15 PM

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i think most things around athena are really strong

stable oyster Oct 30, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Sure footing op

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 3:16 PM

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like she can work with artemis to give crit to everything or ares to trigger his doom effects faster (and harder)

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honestly - if you look at the list of duo boons (on the gamepedia page) you can use all of them really well

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just have to see what you want to go for and try to imagine a build with it(ofc the defensive ones usually sort of support a build more than actually make it)

acoustic river Oct 30, 2019, 3:21 PM

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what is sure footing?

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 3:21 PM

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its athenas trap damage resistance boon - he means he cant just avoid them

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Sure Footing is very strong on increased trap damage runs.

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Getting clipped by a falling axe or standing in lava for a second can strip DDs extremely quickly, so being able to negate that but still reap the rewards of the Heat is pretty clutch.

acoustic river Oct 30, 2019, 3:29 PM

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ahh, i just started with heat, that makes sense

errant narwhal Oct 30, 2019, 4:07 PM

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thats what ive been saying! sure footing has been good alllll along :<

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Suuure.

errant narwhal Oct 30, 2019, 4:07 PM

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footing? yeah, i love that boon

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:08 PM

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"Y-yeeaaahhhh."

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"You hesitated there. What?"

errant narwhal Oct 30, 2019, 4:09 PM

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oh this might take a bit to upload

grand patrol Oct 30, 2019, 4:12 PM

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tbh it is a good one

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sure footing is like "yeah!! im feeling confident that ill get to elysium/styx!"

crystal cedar Oct 30, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Is there a way to see that screen that shows up when you win?

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With your times etc

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:13 PM

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I think only on clears.

crystal cedar Oct 30, 2019, 4:13 PM

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dang

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:13 PM

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You can check best weapon times and highest Heat in the weapon chamber.

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On the Aspect menu.

crystal cedar Oct 30, 2019, 4:13 PM

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that's good enough, thanks!

errant narwhal Oct 30, 2019, 4:15 PM

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(still uploading, sorry..)

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:15 PM

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What are you uploading?

errant narwhal Oct 30, 2019, 4:15 PM

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a video lol

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proof that sure footing IS good gilmanrage

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reminder that this.

📎 surefooting.mp4

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behold

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:20 PM

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WHAT.

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 4:22 PM

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no way to survive that room without it - totally convinced

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also really dislike that this enemy damage counts as traps

errant narwhal Oct 30, 2019, 4:22 PM

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after one pom, im pretty sure no traps until elysium did any damage to me

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i walked over them on purpose

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styx wasnt in the game when i recorded this

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:23 PM

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That's gotta be a game changer for Snake Oil.

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Oh wow, this is before Big Bad?

errant narwhal Oct 30, 2019, 4:24 PM

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its pretty old, idk if those still count as traps and idk if epic sure footing is still 90%

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:24 PM

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It is.

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(still 90%)

errant narwhal Oct 30, 2019, 4:24 PM

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then i still swear by it

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 4:25 PM

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what if you get it to heroic? 🙂

lost rose Oct 30, 2019, 4:25 PM

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pretty sure pest bombs still count as traps 🤔

errant narwhal Oct 30, 2019, 4:25 PM

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blurryeyes

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 4:25 PM

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with eurydice

errant narwhal Oct 30, 2019, 4:26 PM

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youll see, youll all see!

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 4:26 PM

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yea thats kinda why i dont take it - i see the traps 😉

broken cipher Oct 30, 2019, 4:26 PM

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As someone with terrible reaction time, Sure Footing is godsend. It also makes Alecto's fight so much easier because I swear most of the damage I take there's just running into pit traps. >~>

errant narwhal Oct 30, 2019, 4:28 PM

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its simply one less thing to worry about

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i never said i was good at this game

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:29 PM

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I consider myself very good at this game and while SF isn't an insta-take like Divine Dash it's still strong in the right circumstances, like in high Heat runs.

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 4:29 PM

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its from athena

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she only got good boons(almost)

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so unless its 2 trades and this

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Except Brilliant Riposte.

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 4:31 PM

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which i take to get the legendary later

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but yea it isnt good itself

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so to me sure footing is her weakest one and unlikely ill take it

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:34 PM

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I'm not a fan of her Call.

wind vale Oct 30, 2019, 4:34 PM

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it gets better the higher your damage is still

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just used to be way too strong at some point, now its still ok

acoustic river Oct 30, 2019, 4:56 PM

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i got a screen asking me to mute Hermes or not, is that just disables dialogue with him?

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Yes.

manic ermine Oct 30, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Is it meant to be possible to deflect without any Athena effects?

turbid needle Oct 30, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Not to my knowledge. Something somewhere may have a Deflect property.

manic ermine Oct 30, 2019, 8:01 PM

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I'll go ahead and f10 then

karmic ginkgo Oct 31, 2019, 11:18 AM

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So has anyone ever actually sold there boons

errant narwhal Oct 31, 2019, 11:19 AM

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mhm!

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people here have done “no-boon runs” by purging all boons

karmic ginkgo Oct 31, 2019, 11:21 AM

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Wild

manic ermine Oct 31, 2019, 11:21 AM

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Generally theres three situations I sell boons: Boons that buff room rewards that I have no more use for, duo/legendaries that I don't care about because they give loads of coin, and Poseidon

errant narwhal Oct 31, 2019, 11:21 AM

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yep, but usually I only purge a singular boon if I don’t like it much

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lol, poseidon

karmic ginkgo Oct 31, 2019, 11:22 AM

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Also
One day i will get sup fire with adament rail

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I like poseidon

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No other god lets you naruto run at enemies for damage

errant narwhal Oct 31, 2019, 11:23 AM

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that’s valid! he’s fun but I’m not a huge fan of knockback usually

karmic ginkgo Oct 31, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Fair
God i had a build with sword with an epic special upgrade and the hammer that maked your special hit twice

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I one shot like every enemy

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Sometimes you get hilarious builds like thar

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Like my increase speed double cast autoreturn machine shotgun buil i used to beat the game for the first time

hearty pilot Oct 31, 2019, 11:42 AM

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i purge boons cause of customs :sobbing:

wind vale Oct 31, 2019, 12:31 PM

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interesting: it is possible to upgrade merciful end to lvl2 with eurydice

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has absolutely no benefit but now its lvl2

turbid needle Oct 31, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Really wish that didn't happen.

tawdry jackal Oct 31, 2019, 5:06 PM

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maybe its a bug, because DuoBoons are never shown in the Pom Upgrade screen

so maybe this is an unforeseen interaction

acoustic river Oct 31, 2019, 5:26 PM

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what are the best rail upgrades? I feel like Explosive fire is the best one since you can permastun a lot of enemies

turbid needle Oct 31, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Thank you!

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That was a trainwreck.

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Zeus is at his best with Infinity Chamber, and I like its simple constant uptime for any build.

frigid nimbus Oct 31, 2019, 5:42 PM

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What do you think is the best weapon for ares boons?

turbid needle Oct 31, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Shield is actually quite good.

frigid nimbus Oct 31, 2019, 5:43 PM

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You don’t want a weapon that’s very fast such as the adamant rail bc it will be wasteful with the procs if you don’t get the boom that allows doom to stack so

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I’m not sure

turbid needle Oct 31, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Rail is actually not bad on Attack because you can spread it so much, especially with Explosive Fire and Piercing Fire.

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Literally any weapon can make Merciful End work, if you get Curse of Agony (Doom on Attack) and Divine Dash.

frigid nimbus Oct 31, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Ok sounds good

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Can anyone explain how hera’s bow works

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Does it just increase attack damage every time you cast or something else

manic ermine Oct 31, 2019, 7:00 PM

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When you cast with Hera aspect your next attack will launch an additional shot when the projectile ends or hits an enemy

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This run I learned that Underworld customs will be gentle and let you through at no cost if you don't have anything to give up.

naive cobalt Oct 31, 2019, 7:33 PM

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I feel like any weapon can make Ares attack work if the boon is Lv. 3

karmic ginkgo Nov 1, 2019, 12:41 AM

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I think bow works well with ares boon

tawdry jackal Nov 1, 2019, 4:27 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/pzwp6KW

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I dont know if this was wise or not, but I finally got every Zagreus' Aspects to Legendary XD
I have 2 other Legendaries and 3 at Heroic
the others are either locked or at level 2

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it may just be an impression, but doing 24 Heat now is actually much more difficult than 120 Heat used to be....
only got to Hydra this time around....

regal valve Nov 1, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Wanna hear something not wise? I picked a Chaos boon to face more enemies... and then angered Athena.

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That... didn't end well.

meager lynx Nov 1, 2019, 6:04 AM

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how'd u anger her

regal valve Nov 1, 2019, 6:05 AM

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picked Zeus over her in one of those choice rooms.

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She of course summons 9 million splitters in Asphodel. I made it out of the room but it took 3 lives. I was summarrily destroyed by 2 gorgons and one of those things that drops from the ceiling.

meager lynx Nov 1, 2019, 6:07 AM

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ahhhhh y not just ignore those rooms

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like man even if i love their boons i'm not gonna do it and make beef

regal valve Nov 1, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Cause if you win you get both.

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It's usualllly not that hard to clear, just I had a crap load out and I made it harder with the Chaos boon.

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oh, and I suck.

meager lynx Nov 1, 2019, 6:27 AM

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WAIT WHAT

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REALLY

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chaos boons r double edged :( getting them when ur like two encounters from the boss especially hurts

cursive finch Nov 1, 2019, 6:39 AM

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@regal valve Always pick athena

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Always

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Screw her stupid ass invul enemies

regal valve Nov 1, 2019, 6:58 AM

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Yeahhhh learned that tonight. It's been a while since I been playing this.

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I think my last update was Dionysus for just a bit.

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Anyone know if the bounties count reaching the end or must I kill the final boss?

analog sail Nov 1, 2019, 8:19 AM

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You must kill the final boss to get new bounties

regal valve Nov 1, 2019, 9:56 AM

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And so I did!

ornate sundial Nov 1, 2019, 12:46 PM

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So, how severe do you think a bug is, if it allows essentially doubling the amount of keys \ diamonds for a given heat per weapon?

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Is the heat counter being reset every update, including minor ones?

lost rose Nov 1, 2019, 1:17 PM

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If you've found a bug, please report it in-game with F10!

ornate sundial Nov 1, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Done that

lost rose Nov 1, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Thanks!

ornate sundial Nov 1, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Eh, I just wanted to know if that's something that should be fixed

lost rose Nov 1, 2019, 2:39 PM

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The Heat counter isn't being reset per update, no; out of curiosity, did you do your zero heat runs on v22033 or v22141 (current)?

ornate sundial Nov 1, 2019, 2:41 PM

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I went up to 5 Heat with the spear on the previous update (22033) and then I realized that I didn't try doing zero heat runs, then I updated the game to v22141

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After claiming all the bounties of the zero-heat run the counter was reset to 1 - and I tested, I can get all the bounties on heat 1 now, for the second time

lost rose Nov 1, 2019, 2:42 PM

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So you did your 0 heat runs on 22141?

ornate sundial Nov 1, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Yup

lost rose Nov 1, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Cool, thanks

ornate sundial Nov 1, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Always a pleasure

acoustic river Nov 1, 2019, 4:12 PM

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how do you dodge those death rays from hades??

gloomy scroll Nov 1, 2019, 4:13 PM

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There are certain structures that stay in place no matter how much you hit them, other than hiding behind those, walk in circle while death beams go around you

manic ermine Nov 1, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Stand next to him

acoustic river Nov 1, 2019, 4:13 PM

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rays track me perfectly though

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ill try pillars

manic ermine Nov 1, 2019, 4:13 PM

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They can't hit you if you stand next to him

gloomy scroll Nov 1, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Pillars is the best to get used to because in ||second phase|| they go in all directions

acoustic river Nov 1, 2019, 4:13 PM

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right next to him? do i move?

manic ermine Nov 1, 2019, 4:14 PM

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just dash onto him and start attacking, free dps phase

gloomy scroll Nov 1, 2019, 4:14 PM

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???

acoustic river Nov 1, 2019, 4:14 PM

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@manic ermine are you talking about second phase red rays??

gloomy scroll Nov 1, 2019, 4:14 PM

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When there are beams going in all directions? I can’t see a free dps there

manic ermine Nov 1, 2019, 4:15 PM

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both of them, they don't reach inside him

gloomy scroll Nov 1, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Does he... not have a hurt box on contact?

acoustic river Nov 1, 2019, 4:15 PM

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i guess ill just save calls for that attack for now

gloomy scroll Nov 1, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Pillars really does work, there’s an obstacle to the right-middle-bottom area

acoustic river Nov 1, 2019, 4:23 PM

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damn lost because of damn green urn traps and trap heat modifier. and i had 5 death defiances. Im bad :/

rain monolith Nov 1, 2019, 4:42 PM

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waht are some of the best/most fun weapon upgrades?

light nova Nov 1, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Shield with fast dash

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Railgun with triple rocket

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Bow with hera aspect

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Sword with fast attack and aphrodite attack buff

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Spear with 7 bounces and doom effect

stable oyster Nov 1, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Bow for charion aspect

fallen quarry Nov 1, 2019, 8:18 PM

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dash attack railgun with shotgun spread is my fav atm

regal valve Nov 1, 2019, 9:54 PM

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OMG. I had Triple Rockets with Deflect and Art Duo last night.

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Steamrolled so hard. Was satisfying after getting bodied like 4 times in a row.

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Got my first win since Eleysium was announced.

naive cobalt Nov 1, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Niice !

junior cypress Nov 1, 2019, 10:22 PM

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I've just had my most over-powered run yet.
https://imgur.com/a/5S2ptCZ

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It is honestly stupid how much damage burst shot can give you with certain casts.

naive cobalt Nov 1, 2019, 10:35 PM

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I'm not sure I've cleared the Hades encounter hitless ever :o

junior cypress Nov 1, 2019, 10:37 PM

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I didn't actually notice until a bit later that I hadn't taken any damage.

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Fittingly enough, his final words were "Tell no one at the house about this!"

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Nothing quite as embarrassing as getting flawless'ed by your own son

austere silo Nov 1, 2019, 10:39 PM

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i'd just like to pop in and say whoever came up with the Curse of Longing boon deserves a medal

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because they made me very happy

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thank you

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also oof Hades getting SSS ranked by Zag

junior cypress Nov 1, 2019, 10:41 PM

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"In the name of someone very sore right now"

hybrid frost Nov 2, 2019, 4:53 AM

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So, I just finshed my first 9 heat run using the bow (Chiron aspect) and all 4 bosses rewarded me with darkness instead of normal bounties, but when I got back to the House, the Pact told me that I'd earned 3 keys & 1 diamond. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

junior cypress Nov 2, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Not so far.

grand pollen Nov 2, 2019, 6:47 AM

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New PB! I love this gameeeeeee https://imgur.com/a/44BIiRB

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15:57! Still 2nd place but PB!

turbid needle Nov 2, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Oh, wow that's a nasty-looking run.

grand pollen Nov 2, 2019, 6:53 AM

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Was one of those I didn’t expect to be amazing and then had a 3 minute Tartarus and was like “damn, maybe I should actually try with this”

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Haelian though, the guy in first on leaderboards, has a freaking like 9:37 or something crazy. For second place, I’m not even close lol. He’s so good

inland pebble Nov 2, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Hae uses Frenzy and seeks out for good RNG seeds before all his good runs thou

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Also I found a good trick from him: pause the game whenever I need to make a decision to save ingame time.

grand pollen Nov 2, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Yeah, I’m decently proud of my runs for being totally rng. He’s still really good though.

wind vale Nov 2, 2019, 2:11 PM

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so after quite some experimenting i can say i really found no good use for zeus shield - anyone got better results?

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i mean i got it at lvl5, got a good special boon and chaos special boon and the damage is not good even in tartarus - so direct damage definitely doesnt seem to be it

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and getting it to pulse with anything for utility(deflect/knockback/debuffing) doesnt seem to help either

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what i was certain would work was ares doom on special, athena dash and their duo but it really doesnt seem to beat just doing it with the normal shield at all

manic ermine Nov 2, 2019, 2:23 PM

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It does a lot of damage and doesn't hinder your attack animations

wind vale Nov 2, 2019, 2:23 PM

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thats what im saying - it does hardly any damage even on lvl5

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but something completely unrelated: i absolutely dont understand the 2 insanely expensive fountains you can buy - they have a use but it always tells me 'Fountains Used: 0'

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||like https://imgur.com/a/ru0ogot||

hybrid frost Nov 2, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Zeus is the shield I use and, while I've only reached 7 on the heat tree with it, one of its best tricks is to throw it then recall it, but keep moving and dashing ahead of it. Doing this allows you to lead it through enemy clumps since it will follow you indefinitely. Of course, it's only really worth it with Ares doom, and you can't rely on this tactic alone, and it's a rather slow way to kill a room. Still, that's what I do to get extra punch out of it.

light nova Nov 2, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Zeus shield now is a strange thing for game when you don't want to swich on your mind, set 0 heat and just run like a fool. Run run run. Useless on high heat.

stable oyster Nov 2, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Incorrect

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It’s extremely good on high heat

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Because you can still attack(and more importantly, block) while it’s out

cursive finch Nov 2, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Not really incorrect. You just know how to utilize it better. For him, it may be useless.

stable oyster Nov 2, 2019, 11:44 PM

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The whole Zeus shield is for when you want to turn off brain thing is wrong

ionic field Nov 3, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Oh man, I never realized how good the shield is against Theseus

grand pollen Nov 3, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Special shield and special sword builds are what give Theseus nightmares tbh

inland pebble Nov 3, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Or just Zeus Jolted. If I have a good one, I can burst him right open within 5s in his god channeling phase.

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Simply because when Theseus channels HIS circles, each one of them counted as an attack. With a good Zeus Dash or Aid + Jolted, Theseus's dead the moment he calls the god to help him with me lol.

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Or Zeus Attack on Rail lol. Poor, poor Theseus. He never knows how swift this son of a Death god can be 😈

light nova Nov 3, 2019, 9:16 AM

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@stable oyster @cursive finch i tried to run it on 25 heat. It's impossible to use it normaly. If you throw it to an enemy it will fly away and you need to call it back BUT it won't stop at place where you want to. It will fly to you until you take it. And i have no time to run as crazy because timer is on. What is the high heat for u i must ask?

karmic ginkgo Nov 3, 2019, 1:23 PM

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When did the bow go from one of my least fav weapons to one of my best

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I think its cause all thr aespects are wild good

naive cobalt Nov 3, 2019, 1:37 PM

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I think I'm gonna try the Chaos shield today

naive cobalt Nov 3, 2019, 3:03 PM

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The Chaos shield has this really terrible effect where it makes your RNG 9999% worse than the typical RNG in this completely luck based game

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 3:24 PM

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24, and the few speedruns I’ve been able to do in between uni

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The think is, normal shield special is almost entirely useless, because you can’t attack while it’s out, and 90% of your dps comes from your attack. Also, blocking is extremely important, which you can’t use while your special is out. Zeus shield turns it from something that’s actively bad to use most of the time at high heat to something that’s useable

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Don’t “run around “ just send it out strategically and fight as you would normally

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@light nova

grand pollen Nov 3, 2019, 4:12 PM

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@stable oyster if you think that, go watch the runs Haelian and I have done on the speed run leaderboard. Shield special is one of the fastest builds in the game imo.

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 4:13 PM

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that was pre nerf 😦

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Im still sad about that one

grand pollen Nov 3, 2019, 4:13 PM

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I put up a 15:57 shield special build 2 days ago.

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 4:14 PM

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With ER?

grand pollen Nov 3, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Yup

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 4:14 PM

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dang even thou boons don't apply to the explosion

grand pollen Nov 3, 2019, 4:14 PM

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It’s not Haelian’s like 11:45 or whatever, but he’s crazy.

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 4:14 PM

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^

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Im still in the Ares Athena dou camp,

grand pollen Nov 3, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Sword special and shield special builds are the two fastest that I’ve noticed, though there’s a runner testing to see if he can make a sword attack build work.

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Im working one Ares Athena duo, haven't been able to record, I think it will be faster, Ive had faster hades kills then sword special, but I keep getting the duo late into the run,

grand pollen Nov 3, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Ares Athena is most effective with default shield special

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 4:18 PM

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not if you have double attack and deflect on special

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it is much better with blitz, I have tested this extensively

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ares on attack, athena on dash and special,

grand pollen Nov 3, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Nah, you put ares on special and Athena on Dash, throw shield and dash into stuff behind it

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It’s how Haelian got his 11m shield run

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 4:20 PM

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You can proc faster tho with the disk and attack

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I guess I need to start recording again

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to show the world the true way

grand pollen Nov 3, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Yeah, toss up runs if you can, not a lot of people posting anymore

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 4:21 PM

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just go my pc up here, I can start recording again

grand pollen Nov 3, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Artemis/Aphrodite Sword Special build is rank 1 right now though

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 4:24 PM

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yea, that build is insane, but I find shield more fun, so I run it instead

naive cobalt Nov 3, 2019, 5:13 PM

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I think that my biggest issue with the shield is that I can't pull it up to block instantly, so its defense is a useless feature. Idk why it's designed so that you need to hold down the attack and wait a second, since there are multiple trigger buttons not used on the gamepad, but it makes the shield practically unusable on heat.

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'Cause that prevents the shield's block from being used reactively. I have to anticipate an attack well in advance in order to block it, which is pointless since I could more easily dash away to dodge.

cursive finch Nov 3, 2019, 5:15 PM

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But dashing away to dodge won't kill them. If you use the shield, then you dash onto them.

hearty pilot Nov 3, 2019, 5:22 PM

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the fact that the shield even has access to damage nullification in its current form makes it really strong

light nova Nov 3, 2019, 5:46 PM

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@stable oyster shield's special is good as the all shield good. Ares special for it is the best.

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 5:47 PM

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It’s good until it decides to fly off into the sunset

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Then you can’t attack or block for a second or two

light nova Nov 3, 2019, 5:48 PM

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But i don't need to. It's the point of special attack 😑

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https://imgur.com/a/QlhGDlX

Imgur

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here

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with FAR from the best boons i made it cool

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Depends on build

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Also if you use ares, I don’t see how Zeus shield could be anything but a positive

light nova Nov 3, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I don't know what you mean but i mean that Artemis dash is not good for this build also as Poseidon call but it's still very good

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Shield's special

wind vale Nov 3, 2019, 5:52 PM

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as i see it zagreus shield would have been a better choice but chaos more fun

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zeus useless as always

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Blitz disk works with this build, arguably even better then normal special

light nova Nov 3, 2019, 5:52 PM

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oooooooooookey

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Well i talked not about you XD

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 5:59 PM

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So your claiming it’s a coincidence? Because it’s sure sounds like you are

light nova Nov 3, 2019, 5:59 PM

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There is one guy that i was talked about before u long ago

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And that's tottaly not you

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Ok, my b

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Sorry about that

light nova Nov 3, 2019, 6:01 PM

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You can even make a investigation in chat's history if you want

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 6:01 PM

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I think I remember who it might be, and I believe you

naive cobalt Nov 3, 2019, 6:02 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/r7G3g5X

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I picked up almost exclusively Aphrodite and Artemis boons

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That was super awesome

stable oyster Nov 3, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Congrats

light nova Nov 3, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Yea it's pretty good when you have 2-3 gods Gj

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@naive cobalt by the way it's a build for 24 heat too. If you will make it again it will be easy run i think.

inland pebble Nov 3, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Zeus Shield really needs that cast-pinpoint stop-return mechanicsm to work as a play style. Cause right now, all I see is a smaller, more gimicky Ares Cast.

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*Ares Cast without the Hunting Blades duo boon. And I never saw or heard of anyone who use just Ares cast without Artemis to win a run. Cause that sounds like work to me.

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And if anyone think that mechanics would make Zeus Aspect "sO iMBa", then you can just add a timer on how long the shield can stop on a spot (like 4/5s?) , and then it would mandatorily fly back to Zag.

hybrid frost Nov 4, 2019, 2:10 AM

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https://ibb.co/8sL1YJF

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Hades-00034

Image Hades-00034 in Jonathan Richardson's images album

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SGG really needs to make the Festive Fog smoke effect not layer with itself. Of course, this is 12 fogs but still...

grand patrol Nov 4, 2019, 2:11 AM

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out of curiosity how did 12 festive fogs happen

hybrid frost Nov 4, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Legendary +3 cast Artemis + double cast Artemis boons.

grand patrol Nov 4, 2019, 2:13 AM

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omg

hybrid frost Nov 4, 2019, 2:14 AM

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I know. It was fun, but I coudn't see Zag for much of the time.

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Took alot of uneeded dmg.

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I aslo had Hermes fast cast & cast recall, so they were flying out fast and furious.

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If only I'd had Scintillating Fog...

grand patrol Nov 4, 2019, 2:19 AM

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ultimate setup: fog lightning, bloodstone lightning

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also jolted

eternal stag Nov 4, 2019, 2:29 AM

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very good

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the ultimate setup, not the twelve stacks of fog

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i can barely see through one or two stacks of fog

tropic wyvern Nov 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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i'm guessing it's already been posted in feedback so i'm not putting it there but as someone not very good at this game who still enjoys it, it feels kind of bad to have to keep retrying a certain heat level on a weapon and get nothing for it if I die to the last boss again

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like, even as a bad player, I could probably limp my way to the end at heat level 4 at least, but I'm locked to heat 1 rewards if I can't complete the run

naive cobalt Nov 4, 2019, 11:32 AM

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You still get darkness

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Although I wish the darkness rewards still scaled with heat

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At least for the boss rewards

karmic ginkgo Nov 4, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Festive fog is like
The best cast imo

manic ermine Nov 4, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Highest damage, naturally short bloodstone recharge

naive cobalt Nov 4, 2019, 4:49 PM

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I enjoy it with the scintillating feast, but I generally favor the hunting blades

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Altho .. with the hera bow, it's p unparalleled

neon bough Nov 4, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Would you say world splitter or flurry slash for a full-crit sword run ?

naive cobalt Nov 4, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Personally I go world splitter

neon bough Nov 4, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Nemesis Aspect ofc

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ok let's try it

atomic panther Nov 4, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Did someone say World Splitter

stable oyster Nov 4, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Oh no now you’ve done it

finite grail Nov 4, 2019, 8:50 PM

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when you get into the rhythm with world splitter its really fun

turbid needle Nov 4, 2019, 9:53 PM

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I wanna get a Nemesis Merciful End run with World Splitter, Divine Strike, and Curse of Pain.

tropic wyvern Nov 5, 2019, 2:55 AM

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i think I'm actually basically capped on Darkness

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the only things I haven't maxed are uhhhh the +Rare boons (+ Legendary is also maxed) and I haven't unlocked the reroll trait

naive cobalt Nov 5, 2019, 3:21 AM

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Then that isn't really capped hehe

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Rerolls significantly change the game

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At least once you get a handful of them

hybrid frost Nov 5, 2019, 5:11 AM

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"I haven't unlocked the reroll trait." Man, if he only knew that "basically capped" is basically where we all stand.

tropic wyvern Nov 5, 2019, 9:53 AM

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oh yeah i mean the difference is that that's where I am on darkness but meanwhile I've barely unlocked other stuff, because I'm not great at the game

turbid needle Nov 5, 2019, 9:54 AM

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You'll get better with time.

tropic wyvern Nov 5, 2019, 9:54 AM

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so having all this darkness spent in the mirror means I can GET TO the end of the game (even if the last boss still regularly kills me) but I haven't even unlocked half the weapon aspects

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to be honest I'm very lazy against hydra, so either I wipe it easily because I have a build that deals with it well; or i have a build that doesn't and instead of being more careful I lose a bunch of health unnecessarily

minor mauve Nov 5, 2019, 11:51 AM

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Still think the reroll ability should be available earlier on the mirror

wind vale Nov 5, 2019, 2:11 PM

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im currently playing around with scintillating feast and am trying to understand how it works

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do i see that right: one festive fog/tipsy shot gets 10 lightning hits of 80 damage each

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but once i use more than one simultaniously(using heras bow aspect) it doesnt stack - damage of 3 shots at once seems to still be 10 times 80

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but when i spread the shots out it seems multiple happen at the same time

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so i am a bit confused here

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has anyone already experimented with it and got some more info?

naive cobalt Nov 5, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Aww bounties only go up to 10 heat

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I feel like I'd rather take my favorite weapons up through like 15 heat than start using Varatha or Aegis more often

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But tbf I havent tried any of the new aspects for the spear yet

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I might really enjoy the Achilles or Hades aspect if I gave them a chance

wind vale Nov 5, 2019, 4:24 PM

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bounties continue; its just the pact not showing it anymore

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also - i really like achilles for cast builds, best hunting blades, sometimes - really a nice escape and huge boost

hybrid frost Nov 5, 2019, 5:30 PM

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The pact doesn't just not show it; it's actively telling you that there isn't anymore bounties yet...which is apparently a lie.

wind vale Nov 5, 2019, 5:37 PM

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yea seems so - no idea if there is a limit but i havent encountered it - and it seems to behave absolutely the same as before except the pact displays something different

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another thing to my scintillating feast stuff from before - it seems its lightning bolts and the double strike buff applies

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further addition: in the fight against asterius i managed to hit him with a shot loaded with 6 shots while he leapt towards me(or 12 shots if you count bursting shot) - this created a line of festive fogs and they seemed to trigger scintillating feast a lot more than if they all get stacked up in one spot(tho double strike could have interferred but it seems even more than perfect rng on that) - my conclusion is to assume its based on the area covered with festive fog

naive cobalt Nov 5, 2019, 11:58 PM

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I don't personally care for the Achilles or Hades aspects much, but the max rank Zagreus spear gels with me a lot. Especially with Epic Swift Flourish.

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Last run I got Multi Skewer and Artemis' special

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It was sooo cool how much group shred the spear can get that way

turbid needle Nov 6, 2019, 12:56 AM

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I need advice. I really love the bow it's go-to weapon. But for the life of me I can't figure out how to use Heras aspect to gain an advantage.
It really seems subpar as a caster focused weapon aspect when compared to Poseidon.

wind vale Nov 6, 2019, 12:58 AM

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its the only weapon aspect that helps you with dionysus cast in that it hits immediately and doesnt give enemies time to move out

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and you can try to get a ranged cast build from its quick dislodge

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so you dont need toget in close to try recover your casts

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and if lets say you get hermes legendary that brings them back it might work

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the problem is just that it does not increase cast damage

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but i really only use it for dionysus cast - its the one with the highest damage (and good aoe), doesnt stick (so you dont need more than lvl1 of heras aspect)

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anything else i want the damage boosts

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hope that helped a little

turbid needle Nov 6, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Do you think Supergiant is gonna rework it into something usable?

wind vale Nov 6, 2019, 1:04 AM

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it is useable

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just a bit niche for its really good build but its mostly ok with the rest

turbid needle Nov 6, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Would be better to say not as niche in it's use.

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You were faster lol.

naive cobalt Nov 6, 2019, 1:26 AM

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I think it's extremely good

wind vale Nov 6, 2019, 1:26 AM

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finally found a eris build im really happy with https://imgur.com/a/tpBuEtr 🙂

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naive cobalt Nov 6, 2019, 1:26 AM

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You can put like one or two casts into the bow to one-shot most enemies in Tartarus (excluding elites)

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Even without an attack boon

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And with the hunting blades or scintillating feast, it gets insane

wind vale Nov 6, 2019, 1:27 AM

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yea its good but i much prefer self casting if i get some sort of damage buff like from the other cast builds

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except for dio

naive cobalt Nov 6, 2019, 1:28 AM

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I ran into a glitch today where my flurry cast with scintillating feast just stopped working near the end of my attempt (even tho the flurry cast boon was still in the inventory). That made me sad. :(

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I reported the bug, but I wasn't sure what case caused it to happen

wind vale Nov 6, 2019, 1:29 AM

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think i read something like that before 😦 - maybe something else also modifying casts but no idea

hybrid frost Nov 6, 2019, 3:18 AM

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I had the same thing happen to me yesterday.

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Flurry cast with scintillating feast. Stop working in Styx.

hybrid frost Nov 6, 2019, 6:09 AM

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So, we've talked about how Festive Fog blocks out the screen?

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https://ibb.co/874gHXV

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Hades-00040

Image Hades-00040 in Jonathan Richardson's images album

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A Slicing Shot, Burst Shot, Blade Dash, Greates Reflex +3, Black Metal, Engulfing Vortex, Hunting Blades, +1 Cast Chaos Boon, Vicious Cycle whirlwind of mayhem.

frosty pier Nov 6, 2019, 6:32 AM

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That's a lot of slicing.

mild crag Nov 6, 2019, 8:20 AM

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Could somebody explain to me how the Middle Management pact condition works? Does it stack with Jury Summons?

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Asking because I fought 4 bomb throwers in Tartarus, but then 5 Gorgon Heads in Asphodel just now

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Should I not expect 3 Gorgons?

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Nevermind, worked it out, wasn't aware the Chaos boon would affect the boss encounter too

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~~that was a mistake of a play~~

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On another note, had an Erebus encounter in which no enemies spawned and I just got my reward, unintended I guess?

inland pebble Nov 6, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Um... how does the God Gauge calculate its charge? It seems like a lot of small dmg but multiple shots can boost it much faster than big dmg hitting weapons (sword and spear)?

blazing mulch Nov 6, 2019, 11:38 AM

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You can use part of gauge to deal small dmg / do small effect OR USE whole to release powerful attack.

warm yacht Nov 6, 2019, 2:00 PM

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any use for diamonds besides the broker?

mild crag Nov 6, 2019, 2:01 PM

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The House Contractor sells you sheet music for em

warm yacht Nov 6, 2019, 2:40 PM

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oh... oops

gloomy scroll Nov 6, 2019, 3:17 PM

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You also need to purchase the music stand for 5

naive cobalt Nov 6, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Awww I just came suuuper close to winning a 24 heat run. Hades was on a sliver of HP, but then I got got

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I was running scintillating feast and lightning rod on the Hera bow

gloomy scroll Nov 6, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Yeah that seems to be the best for it

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Hera bow that is

naive cobalt Nov 6, 2019, 3:18 PM

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The Chiron bow is super fun to me, but I feel like it's not very viable on high heat unless I can get swift flourish, and that isn't something I can consistently depend on

small gorge Nov 6, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Snake Oil is very hard but only get 1 heat hmmmmmm

minor mauve Nov 6, 2019, 4:05 PM

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I don't know it's just my imagination, but something feels 'off' about the detached Hydra Heads hitbox when using melee weapons

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I struggle to hit with the sword special sometimes and I honestly can't discern why that is the case when it seems, to my eye, it should be connecting

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but again, could just be me