35 minutes to hades is generous
#h1-builds-and-combat
manic ermine
stable oyster
It gets significantly harder when you have other heat on as well
tacit jetty
Actually on that topic I have a question: Do you lose out on bounties by 'skipping' heat levels?
fleet oracle
I missed out on a key and diamond on shield because i went ahead and did 1 heat level on it, and thats now a key and a half i cant get
tacit jetty
I want to make the game more difficult, but there's no insentive to actually take it to the difficulty level you want
fleet oracle
Yeah. If you could jump to heat level 10 and beat it, and get all the bounties from previous levels, would be nice, but also the progression of upgrades would go by too fast
tacit jetty
Yeah I'm thinking something like that but you still get them one at a time
fleet oracle
That wouldnt....work.
light nova
@manic ermine 35 for hades is normal because you do not know where is food for doggy. In which room i mean.
fleet oracle
Unless youre saying that you should still be able to go back to lower heat levels and STILL be able to get the missing bounties
light nova
i did a run before and was fighting Hades on 1 hp
tacit jetty
IE: Jump straight to 10, be able to beat Tartarus 10 times before running out of bounties. But if you drop below your threshold then your back to Darkness
fleet oracle
Oh ok
tacit jetty
Basically that yeah
fleet oracle
Yeah that makes sense
Being able to beat it on 10 and get bounties for all the ones you didnt in previous levels would be nice
By just continuously beating jt instead of just receiving the ones from before is a way better idea than mine
tacit jetty
Yeah basically it lets you 'grind' at whatever difficulty you want while still getting incremental rewards for attempting runs you might be severely underpowered for
I think I might take this idea to the feedback page lol
fleet oracle
Do it
native ether
Afaik you don't actually lose out on a bounty at a lower heat level.
I haven't tested it myself, but if you clear the game at 10 Heat, you can afaik still do all your bounties for lower heats just by setting the heat appropriately. (That's at least how it's been described to me.)
Regardless, I'd prefer it worked the way described in feedback.
tacit jetty
If that's true than my fears are assuaged, but yeah I think the update I suggested could still smooth things out for the players that want to continuously go hard lol
light nova
As i know you get bounty for 1 heat even if you play at 10 heat. Then you can continue play at 10 heat and get 2,3,4... heat bounties.
By the way nothing more than 10 heat bounty is not exist.
Yet
tacit jetty
Wait so it does work like my feedback suggests it should?
If so then I need to delete that lol
light nova
I can test it for u
tacit jetty
I would be grateful for that
tacit jetty
Ha
Then my point is moot
Thank you for testing that out
I'll have to find some other way to get noticed by Supergiant-Senpai...
turbid needle
@unkempt pagoda You shouldn't have been able to pick up Explosive Fire after taking Piercing Fire, something went wrong.
native ether
Oh now I understand, I misread that feedback. Yeah that's a bug
Those 2 hammer upgrades are exclusive to each other (you can only have 1, the other won't appear)
violet whale
Is anyone able to sanity check me? I've grabbed Swift Strike (+X% attach speed hermes boon) and I feel as though it has not actually increased the attack speed since the last patch.
manic goblet
rolls a d20
fierce estuary
Would someone be able to help me send some feedback in the hades-feedback? The channel is saying I don't have permission to post
grand patrol
you can look in the pinned post in the channel for instructions!
fierce estuary
There isn't any information about posting permissions in the pinned posts
Oh, I see it now. Thanks 🙂
tacit jetty
Huh, you're suggestion for an improvement to the Zeus Aspect is a lot more sensible than mine lol
dire cedar
So do I just suck or is Erebus ever worth it? I sometimes go pierced butterfly to get ~32% by the ttime i'm in styx.
fleet oracle
what level is yours right now?
toxic acorn
are bounties still capped at 10?
fleet oracle
cant wait for more bounties
toxic acorn
:(
fleet oracle
im sure there will be more once the new weapon comes out, whenever that is, and also when they add more to further heat levels
turbid needle
Very hard agree with toning early Erebus rooms down. Super Elite enemies in Tartarus is way too much. Personally, I really liked where they were right before this last change. Medium mobs of the floor's "tough" enemies with the additional caveat of no damage is a good level of challenge for a boosted reward.
So, just barely into Tartarus and I love Flurry Shot. Hoping to get Swift Strike because it's still a little slow for me, but it actually hits kinda scary hard.
I take that back, Murderboat was a slog.
plush pond
Supporting fire seems really good, at least with high attack speed
turbid needle
I have it Epic and I like it.
But I only have common Swift Strike, so it's not quite as powerful as I'd like.
I think with Rare or Epic this would be really good.
I somehow no-hit the Asterius fight and with Triple Shot it kinda cleaned up.
lean robin
yeeeps. Just got smoked by final boss's "supernova" attack. I was standing next to it when the attack started, and it hit me three times before I could even react. Aren't i-frames a thing? I had ~maybe 90 life, it did 33 per tick, but it felt like the three ticks came in three frames or something. Is that how it's supposed to be? I know I've survived it at range, with time to maneuver after being hit, several times before
versed flame
Where do you post possible bugs?
atomic panther
If you press F10 in-game it brings up a bug report form
versed flame
Thank you friend. :)
atomic panther
👍
versed flame
Just found out that the Hestia Aspect on the Rail still fires a long shot after a manual reload, even with the five spread upgrade.
elfin pulsar
that was an intentional nerf a patch ago
versed flame
Ah, gotcha. :)
charred ruin
"I missed out on a key and diamond on shield because i went ahead and did 1 heat level on it, and thats now a key and a half i cant get"
Huh? You can just do a run on the level you need and get its stuff
You didn't miss anything
tacit jetty
Yeah I think we figured that out: you do still get lower level bounties even if you overfill the heat gauge, it seems like you just have to beat Hades in order to unlock the next tier
lean robin
That fits my experience, and as long as you're commited to the idea of "one run, max 4 bounties" it's pretty much the best way to do it.
fleet oracle
i just got heart rend on my artemis poseidon sword dislodge build
and my dash puts weak on foes
its gonna be such a big damage boost
which is good, cause ive been getting less poms in styx recently
charred ruin
Current tier list from personal experience:
S Poseidon sword
A Chiron bow, Hestia rail, Nemesis sword (maybe?)
Everything else is B or lower
turbid needle
I need to level Poseidon.
tacit jetty
I feel like Hera Bow should definitely be somewhere in that top tier
turbid needle
I'm not interested in Hera or either of the spear's or shield's aspects, but Chiron is S-tier.
tacit jetty
I also feel like people are sleeping on the Chaos Shield but that might be more personal preference lol
If you have any doubts about Chaos Shield, I highly recommend pairing it with Zeus on special and watching rooms melt
turbid needle
I've used it before, but it's more a fun gimmick than a big upgrade the way some of the other Aspects are.
worthy dust
turbid needle
Well done!
worthy dust
Almost exclusively ares rift boons and Cast upgrades.
Was very silly
The legendary Ares boon is quite powerful
charred ruin
What does Hera bow do that Poseidon sword doesn't do better?
Poseidon not only gets you the casts back faster, it also makes them stronger
tacit jetty
It has more range, and burst potential in my opinion
fleet oracle
do you mean hera bow? cause hera bow does a lot with casts.
tacit jetty
You can one shot most things with a half decent build and more importantly you don't have to be near any enemies to do it
fleet oracle
hera bow puts the casts in them instantly, making up for the 5 second at max level wait
im upgrading both hera and poseidon though, cause both have their different builds they work with
with hera, you can make a mean dio cast build
but if youre going for pure damage, its really up to you. cause you can get the bows attack to do alot with the combo of great cast potential
with the sword its similar.
you get casts in the person, then you do damage with your special, and if you have exit wound, you get more damage for dislodge
and both have different builds for the casts
both have great dps
and quite frankly, i think both are some of the best builds in the game
turbid needle
Yeah, but have you tried Nemesis World Splitter?
fleet oracle
its alright
turbid needle
I'm almost critting for 1k already.
fleet oracle
nice
i usually crit for over 1k with my cast poseidon sword build or hera bow cast build
glad to know that world splitter crit is good
turbid needle
Out of Tartarus, though?
fleet oracle
haha, funny
does it matter though? most things will get you good dps out of tartarus. its all about how you finish off the build, imo
turbid needle
Yeah, you're right.
fleet oracle
cause at the end of the run, i do an insane amount of damage
when it comes down to it, the dps matters mostly on the latter two bosses
the first two dont require much, not after all the patches
they used to be much more tanky, at least hydra was
but being able to crit for around 500 per cast isnt bad out of tartarus. assuming you have poseidon sword and you crit cast leveled up a few levels
(its even better if you get lucky with chaos and get more cast damage)
i do wish the artemis keepsake gave me artemis boons more often
oh well
pressure point with exit wound isnt a necessity in my build anyways, its just nice to have
charred ruin
Hmm Zegreus spear may be A tier... Gotta do some more testing.
turbid needle
Greater range and speed on Special?
charred ruin
Yeah
Goes well with hammer powerup and aphro boon
Did they remove 1000 diamond in the shop in the newest patch? Or was I just very lucky today to only get keys
Shield sucks. Can't find any decent build for it.
charred ruin
yeah
charred ruin
Maybe Zeus shield is a trap and the other 2 are better
vagrant hearth
ooh, epic sweet surrender and epic greater evasion and i'm only in asphodel. does this mean i'll actually get past the beef duo this time? wish me luck
broken cipher
You've got this!
charred ruin
@vagrant hearth try broken speartip keepsake
hollow matrix
vagrant hearth
i've got the plume on, i'd lose my bonus
tore through the hydra like wet tissue paper \o/
manic ermine
what exactly is the bonus for god boons on 'shiny' reward bubbles? I can tell they give double coin/heart/pom but is it just inc boon rarity chance?
charred ruin
seems like it
vagrant hearth
heck to the yes, Aphrodite legendary
turbid needle
It's kinda borked if you've got even remotely fast-firing Weak.
vagrant hearth
Yeaaaah, I'm using the sword this time and I have Heartbreak Strike. Asterius had nothing on me
Going into Styx with four death defiances... I'm probably jinxing it by saying so but this might be the one that works
vagrant hearth
skdhg;ilwesh;oieyh;toishs;ih;ilhlihiel [PROFANITY REDACTED FOR THE SAKE OF THE SERVER RULES]
he got me when I had him down to like, i would have gotten him with the next attack
that was a fun loadout though! aphrodite firmly cementing her place as Best Olympian
turbid needle
Aphrodite is so good, man.
vagrant hearth
one of his ammo explosions was what nailed me in the end. 
turbid needle
If I'm lucky enough to have a good-enough build, those are priority targets when they land.
vagrant hearth
yeah
dashing to avoid the ripple seems to be a crapshoot
turbid needle
Gotta chain the crap out of your dashes across it.
And even then you really don't want to spend any time inside the ring if you're not mid-dash.
tawdry jackal
how Double Strike interacts with Splitting Bolt?
is there a chance to get 3 bolts from same instance of lightning?
like
one normal lightning (Dash, Aid, something like that)
one guaranteed from Splitting Bolt that does extra 40 damage
and a X% chance to get a 2nd bolt from the first normal lightning with the same damage
turbid needle
I think a chance for four.
tawdry jackal
X% chance of even the Splitting Bolt repeat once again because of Double Strike?
gosh thats good
pearl merlin
How does one get weapon aspects? I’ve beaten the game with the shield twice, once with 1 heat on and once normally.
turbid needle
You see the big glowing ball that's normally where your weapon is?
errant narwhal
do you have all the weapons unlocked?
vagrant hearth
welp guess i'm not playing any more tonight. i opened the game back up and the audio is disabled again
wind vale
is it a bug or intended to be possible that when i take a god keepsake at the start of a run, get a hammer upgrade first and there is also a heat gate in that room that the god i picked is inside the heat gate and often some other god is behind the regular door?
like even if i run less heat than required to enter
charred ruin
Yesterday I decided to check if the game can be played well with an arcade stick. After heat 5 runs with all weapons I can say that it is.
wind vale
doesnt seem like an arcade stick would give less than a normal controller for this game and they recommend using a controller for it so i dont see why not
charred ruin
An arcade stick is limited to 8 directionals, unlike analog joysticks which have a wider range of movement, but themselves are limited in ways that are not relevant in this type of game.
grand patrol
@keen badger @fallen wind hey guys, let's keep a discussion of feedback out of the actual feedback channel please!
fallen wind
@grand patrol My apologies.
grand patrol
np!!
dense hill
Am I the only one that finds the hestia aspect of the railgun a bit underwhelming? I feel like past the first realm, 50 damage isn't a whole lot, and the fact that you can't increase the damage it does with boons only adds insult to injury. If you could make it do more damage than the base 50, I think it'd be a decent aspect.
tacit jetty
Yeah it's a little simple but it seems pretty powerful
The Eris Aspect, on the other hand, needs some love lol
charred ruin
@dense hill aphro boon on attack. If you get a way to inflict another status via dio dash or something it's even better
stone oyster
Eris has a setup that works alright to me... Artrimis special, rocket launcher hammer, triple special hammer + anything to boost crit damage and crit chance .... was hitting 3 1ks ina row which was cool
tacit jetty
I mean, that does seem like a really good Special build, it just feels indicative of the problem when that build doesn't use the Aspects innate bonus
Like, theoretically you could get that same build on the Hestia aspect
stone oyster
i thought eris's thing was it buffed EVERYTHING
tacit jetty
Is it?
stone oyster
sec pulling up game to check text
tacit jetty
I'm there now
Doesn't seem like it
Shooting the special before standing in it: 89 damage
After: also 89
stone oyster
it might be different now? the other "this would be great but is NOT common" on that build is infinite ammo hammer (i like hammers on rail...) and either aphro or dio attack buff... also hermes... bonus points if you get aphro legendary... that was a FUN champ fight
tacit jetty
Yeah the rail upgrades are fun, but right now I'm really salty about trying to get Artemis on my attack for that damn weapon. I've done three or four runs in a row trying to get her and I never found one
stone oyster
so eris buff test on skelly: without buff, 60, with buff 74, that's the special
gentle pollen
Eris buffs damage in general
stone oyster
(note: this is rank 2 eris)
tacit jetty
Then I have no idea what's going on
That seems like a really weird bug if it is one...
gentle pollen
Are you standing in the explosion on the first shot?
Because that immediately buffs the initial shot too
stone oyster
idk i find hestia really... underwhelming just cuz it's not my style
might just be me on a controller REALLY not likeing using R3 tho
gentle pollen
I liked it more when I changed the reload button on controller, but it still feels a bit unwieldy compared to heavy slug
R3 for reload is awful when you have to press it after every shot
stone oyster
it might also be my notable preference for the ininite ammo boon
that+ hermes + aphro (with legendary) is silly
gentle pollen
Heavy Slug was probably my favorite playstyle before
stone oyster
don't think i played with heavy slug
gentle pollen
The closest you can get to it now is actually on the bow tbh
Because of its hammer upgrade that removes charge
stone oyster
played with the spear before aspects were a thing
wind vale
to me heavy slug was harder to hit right, no idea why
current one is such a great addition to shotgun build once i accepted it
felt strange at first but its nice
like a range option if needed
small cliff
Hestia aspect with the shotgun upgrade kinda makes the first shot look like it's shooting consecutive bullets unlike a shotgun
Looks kinda cool lol
gentle pollen
Not a huge fan of shotgun build personally, I like the distance on the rail
stone oyster
less fond of shotgun.. honstly kinda a 1 trick pony with eris point blank rocket launcher
wind vale
its just that obdiously shotgun goes best with that aspect
meaning it needs the same sort of boons
gentle pollen
At this point I've played through with all the weapons pretty equally I think, outside of spear which has the lowest of my clears, but the rail has a special place for me.
wind vale
strange enough i still have spear at a high position but have hardly touched it after mdk 😄
gentle pollen
I think I'm at 5 or 6 clears with the spear and 9 or 10 with most others, but the reworked pact has had a lot to do with that. Keeps you swapping weapons.
stone oyster
oh thats somthing i wasn't sure about confirmed... Eris buffs blight wine ticks
wind vale
also it seems like i get the buff more on my lowest heat clear weapon than the others but probably its just rng
and thans keepsake does the same being a general buff, right? so kinda assumed it would
manic ermine
The only thing that eris wont boost is traps and deflects
stone oyster
i'd need to test this more but it seems to buff dio blight wine applied WHILE eris buffed so if you apply then buff up not so much
wind vale
so like snapshotting dots? :S
sounds good
btw - is there currently no way to trade excess darkness against anything even slightly useful?
or am i also just unlucky with the trader
wind vale
also another question - can you get absolutely no duo boons in 2 god encounters or just not between the 2?
wind vale
the only change i remembered was that you can not get duos between the 2 competing in it since that would just have been strange
and then i cant really recall if i have seen any duo at all
errant narwhal
i recall that being changed in some patch notes bc ppl didnt like that but idk
i definitely remember getting duos but idk specifically between the gods of that trial
wind vale
ok thanks
grave grotto
ok question from someone who just cannot do this: how do like, cast buff builds work
like, with all the boons and aspects you can add to your cast it HAS to be good if you get a solid build but as someone who doesnt even remember cast exists 95% of the time i cant figure out a good build for it
autumn tapir
poseidon aspect sword
true shot
exit wounds
fully loaded
that's all, folks
small gorge
if u use poseidon aspect it isnt necsessary to have greater recall
and it hard to get because it legendary duhhhh
stable oyster
That’s not why it’s hard to get
It’s hard to get because you only get a max of 3 Hermès boons
One of which is in Styx shop
small gorge
yub and i always spend entire of my coin before styx shop
small gorge
i got it once because i build a thing call Agi is da best
gloomy scroll
can anyone tell me where I unlock the music stand?
south comet
The new administrator shade in the house of Hades offers it.
gloomy scroll
really? I haven't seen it after several runs
oh well, guess I just gotta die a bit more. does the stand itself cost gemstones or diamonds?
south comet
I can't say for sure but I thiiiiiiink it was one diamond. Could definitely be wrong on that.
gloomy scroll
alright, well thanks for the help
south comet
sure thing!
gloomy scroll
and there we go. one won run and three first-chamber deaths later, I have the music stand
south comet
nice!
gloomy scroll
now to unlock music I have to go hear it in a run then use diamonds?
cedar mirage
Each song is an item in the shades decor shop
Speaking of, I think we’ve found the greediest character in the game, move over Charon, this shade wants hundreds of runs worth of gems for decorating the house
charred ruin
Some of those gem prices are ridiculous. They'll probably make them normal in the future
gentle pollen
Just had a Hestia run with so many perfect buffs that I was backstabbing final boss for 1k and it was beautiful.
fleet oracle
its really nice being able to dash while doing the sword's special
stacking both the deflect and whatever dash affect i have at once is conveniet
i'm also trying out the ares cast build for the first time, and is fun
being able to use doom on attack and poison dash to get privileged status is fun
gentle pollen
Ares cast build is good fun, even better if you can grab the duo that makes them track enemies.
fleet oracle
yeah, which duo is that?
because its hard to hit people in alysium without that
and its easier to do so in general
turbid needle
Hunting Blades, Duo with Artemis (who also provides lots of Cast buffs).
fleet oracle
awesome
so i can combine both the bayblade build with my crit build
thanks
one more level and ill have a maxed poseidon sword
kinda sad that having a cast lodged in an enemy doesnt boost cast damage, just attack and special damage
turbid needle
I've heard it used to do that, but it was too good.
blissful sedge
Anyone know how Tempest Strike (Poseidon Attack Knockback) interacts with the Shield's Pulverizing Blow (Double hit, no knockback)? Are the knockbacks considered separately, or does it just turn off knockback on all attacks?
turbid needle
Knockbacks are separate. You can miss the second hit of PB if you have Tempest Strike.
blissful sedge
So, if they're up against a wall, you could also get double cornered or wall hits with it?
turbid needle
Yup.
blissful sedge
Sounds like a good time. Thanks!
Have Heroic Tempest Strike level 3, did not want to miss out on it lol
fallen quarry
So... I've been running all the weapons except for the shield, as I had my doubts about it.
Is it suppose to be bonkers, providing both great damage and invincibility?
vagrant hearth
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520443703601528844/635006102496346122/Screenshot_25.png this is going too well
onyx iron
oof
you could afk for 5 mins in the middle of an encounter and probably be ok
lol
maybe you should spice things up with some heat
vagrant hearth
with any luck this'll be my first time beating the final boss, heat hasn't been an option for me yet
onyx iron
well, I'd say you've gotta good chance
good luck!
did you choose another death defiance at that room? haha
at your HP level rn, a death defiance is like 150 free HP
er, more 110 mebbe
vagrant hearth
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520443703601528844/635013741456523265/Screenshot_26.png
rip hades, and also the fourth wall
kind of makes me wish i'd picked something other than the shield- my previous try with the sword, i had a fantastic loadout but the fight was still a nailbiter (and i lost, because i didn't have six freaking death defies stocked up lmao)
onyx iron
👍 congrats :0
the fight with him can be really tough in the first phase
depends on what is summoned
vagrant hearth
yeah
last time i got a soul catcher
onyx iron
he summoned those blue gem things on me one time -_-
that cast invul barriers
defensive boons are super valuable imo
anything from athena, particularly holy shield
I see you had the trinket which does the same thing rly
i think
vagrant hearth
i got more mileage out of phalanx shot than i really expected to
onyx iron
I have trouble reading the icons lol
oh the cast? I love that one
put a few poms in it, and its 👌
vagrant hearth
the heroic this time is courtesy of eurydice 🍂
worthy dust
A solid run. Elysium boss encounter was done in probably a minute. Artemis' call just nuked them.
main plinth
Does the charm effect on Aphrodite's Aid work on any enemy, for example bosses?
charred ruin
Charm works on everyone
Even the last boss, but it only lasts for like 0.5 sec on him
Still great on a Chiron bow special, as it will almost always find that 15% chance
That's 0.5 secs of the boss not doing anything to hurt you. It's great.
main plinth
Sounds nice
worthy dust
Does anyone else struggle with the bow or gun. I can clear with the melee weapons no problem, but when it comes to the ranged weapons I just can't seem to pull together a build.
fleet oracle
not gonna lie, i dont like the ares cast without the artemis duo
or at least, not as much
are there any other good duos with ares?
aside from homing bayblades of death
manic ermine
Athena's immediate doom trigger can be absurdly strong
fleet oracle
immidiate? so you can actually put doom on attack and then it just does that doom damage instantly?
what if you pair it with the fast attack hammer?
or just fast special since special on sword doom does more doom damage that regular attack doom
also, poison or weak on dash goes really well with doom, because you dash into enemies, inflict doom, which procks priv. status until doom strikes for extra damage
i quite like ares
most of his boons are alright
i also just got the aphro ares duo for the continuous doom strike
i hope its good
wind vale
wasnt that amazing but good to keep doom as a continuous curse for the mirror buff
also to clarify - ares athena takes one doom attack to place it and anything that can deflect(just anything that can deflect, it doesnt have to deflect in that instant) then triggers it
so i really like it with athena dash
fleet oracle
for sure
having the dash attack weak with doom, to do more doom damage and put priv. status is nice because that in turn also buffs the ares cast. i also have pressure point at 5% so something in there might crit as well, who knows
im just desperatly trying to get homing bayblades and artemis isnt giving me anything
lyric folio
fallen wind
You can do it!
worthy dust
Show him who is boss
worthy dust
Just got a clear with bow, after complaining about how im bad with the bow 😄
Not pictured: Aphrodite boon for +77% HP bonus from room rewards.
Managed to sell it in Styx after getting a shiny cerberus heart
vagrant hearth
i had it on my run too, sold it after asphodel to afford a death defiance
probably locked myself out of getting her legendary, but hey, i put those death defies to good use \o/
/checks wiki
oh, nevermind, i qualified for it once i got sweet surrender- i just didn't get lucky
turbid needle
Just use Chiron Aspect, it's instant skill for the bow.
worthy dust
I want to get decent with the original weapons first before I go aspect diving.
But I'll check that one out soon I'm sure :)
charred ruin
What will be a good boon combination for Shield 2?
I'm thinking about Dio on attack/bullrush just to get the status long enough, then go up close to the boss and aphro special 5 shields
tacit jetty
For me the combo is Athena on attack/bullrush and Artemis on special; charge in for the deflection then slam them with 5 high damage crit shields
I also had some luck (and a lot of fun) with putting Zeus on the special for double chaining each of those shields...but that was before they nerfed Zeus...again
untold quiver
I think my new favorite bow setup is Chiron's Bow with Doom on Special and the "Doom hits harder when it stacks" Boon.....you fire 10-15 stacks in there before it goes off and things get whomped
wind vale
would probably get really interesting with athena on attack and their duo(then ofc with impending doom as well if possible)
im wondering atm how hunting blades with ares legendary and artemis second smaller cast stacks 🙂
turbid needle
You throw a few Casts and then watch as bosses disappear.
wind vale
cant really calculate anything since all i see is it melts so fast
currently got everything possible for that build except extra casts
(also using achilles aspect for it)
charred ruin
Ok it worked great. Didn't even get to use my death defiance vs daddy. Much better than Shield aspect 3 IMO.
worthy dust
Good job :)
charred ruin
Heat 8 and 1500 gold in styx without more than usual hardship, so I guess it passes the test for A tier
fleet oracle
its really annoying, using the artemis keepsake and not getting the tracking duo for the ares cast
i end up selling the cast because instead of artemis boons i get everyone else and it ends up being a doom spam build
sad
my extra 50% cast damage ends up being unused
maybe i should stick with artemis crit cast builds for now
or dio cast builds
charred ruin
What I like about the aspects is that you can make builds based on their strengths instead of hoping to get very specific boon combos and duos like it used to be. Gets screwed way less by RNG.
fleet oracle
thats why i just end up using crit artemis cast or doom spam. having doom being basically instant because if the deflection goddess is way more reliable, somehow, because i keep getting that instead of the artemis duo cause for some reason, even with the keep sake i barely get her
keepsakes need to be reworked a bit
i dont like that they dont impact the run much past the first boon in each biom
charred ruin
Keepsakes are already a huge part IMO
charred ruin
That's a good enough reward.
charred ruin
If they'll give the exact god you want every room it would be too good and make the game too easy
fleet oracle
wow, exact god, thats exaclty what i said yep no twisting words there
nah dude
what im saying
is that the dont impact it much
fleet oracle
first boon, great, its what i wanted
every boon after that is random
i end up selling the first boon ability cause i end up not using it due to me, in the end, having doom and aphro stuff instead
its just dad
sad*
makes my poseidon sword wanna cry
and the randomization is fine
but having the keepsake have a slightly different impact on the game would be better
because what ends up happening is that, like i said, i end up selling the ares cast, as apposed to the crit cast where its the only part of the build thats really needed in the crit build
charred ruin
on what heat level are you on that you gotta have all the perfect pieces or the build doesn't work?
fleet oracle
its not that it has to be perfect
like i said, with artemis cast, its all i need on it, just the cast
but the ares cast can be quite annoying to use in asphodel and onwards
cause every enemy just jumps out of it, which is fine
but without hunting blades i end up just doing doom spam on special with aphro weak ability and never use the cast
charred ruin
Then don't rely on the highly situational Ares cast. It was always a broken duo. Letting you have it every run would kill the difficulty.
fleet oracle
nah, i dont need it every run. but yeah. i think ill just stick to my previous cast build where i only needed the one ability really
my point isnt the build itself though
but that the keepsakes might need a bit of a change
to each their own, though, i suppose
charred ruin
With hunting blades you can finish heat levels way beyond your skill. It breaks the game.
fleet oracle
nerf the cast a bit then
charred ruin
That's also an option
fleet oracle
i melt everything with the crit build either way. there are many ways of melting the game in general
and doom spam is how i end up doing it in the end
seriously, instant doom with aphro providing more damage against weakened enemies is quite decent
but it pales in comparison to the bow builds
bow is still so gnarly
that's just how hades works, i suppose. it's not gonna be perfect, especially since its in early access
its pretty close though
charred ruin
If the next update brings the 6th weapon and 4th aspects for each, I won't have nearly enough keys to put in them 😦
fleet oracle
oof
yeah. they might give more bounties for heat levels though.\
or you'll have to do obol runs to get to styx and buy keys and diamonds
i only have 4 current aspects im interested in, so i dont think i wont have too much issue upgrading them.
wind vale
you already need to get 38 keys out of 11 eligible runs to fully upgrade each weapon atm
charred ruin
I can't save keys if I need to unlock the current aspects
wind vale
what i was saying is that you need to rely entirely on the final shop and trader to get the current ones
fleet oracle
im still waiting for more dedicated spear boons. its really weird that it feels like it has abilities that apply stuff to it, but doesnt quite synergize with it
it went from being my main weapon, to my last choice
wind vale
i always saw it as useless since beefy but now i at least got one build, so yay spear :S
fleet oracle
i dont think its useless, just clunky
charred ruin
5+15+16=36
wind vale
5+16+17?
wind vale
oh nvm
fleet oracle
i would use the hades aspect more, but later stages of the game barely give time to utilize its sweep and i cant always hope on the faster sweep hammer
charred ruin
Overall 180 for all current aspects.
fleet oracle
(cant hope on ares artemis duo either, but thats fair, those are boons, i get it)
how many can you get
assuming you sell diamonds for keys
charred ruin
11 X 2 X 5 = 110
wind vale
with 55 possible runs it depends what length you go for keys and on rng a bit
charred ruin
So overall 70 keys from shop or trader
wind vale
like 2 average per run or 2+0.5 from shop +maybe trade
fleet oracle
ive started doing styx shop runs, myself
while i climb in heat level as well
and use diamonds for songs
so i get about 3 per run rn
they might change the bounties a bit when they release all the aspects and final weapon
charred ruin
I just need to unlock the last boss music for 10 diamonds but the decorator doesn't offer it lol
fleet oracle
gotta hope for that rng
ive noticed that as soon as i sell my diamonds for songs, the shop starts offering diamonds for keys trades more often.........cheeky boy
charred ruin
I could just start runs and die if I really wanted that store RNG, but that's not how I roll
fleet oracle
i know thats just bad luck, tho
wind vale
i was waiting for rng for the shortcut myself but gotta say it looks kinda strange
now that i got it
charred ruin
wasn't worth it
fleet oracle
oh?
fleet oracle
well, im off to try to beat heat level 10 for the sword
charred ruin
I wonder what's supposed to be behind the locked door in the left wing
fleet oracle
any advice for support sisters? they tend to kick me to the curb half the time
wind vale
no idea - i find them kinda annoying unless its meg as main one then its free
charred ruin
Kill the fury before you get killed yourself. They have low HP.
naive cobalt
practice
naive cobalt
And pay attention to the environment
Meg and Alecto both telegraph their support attacks
charred ruin
Its hard to dodge everything there. Esepcially when the screen turns black
fleet oracle
yeah, fury sisters is the first time where i fall for traps once in a while, now. youve got a bayblade coming at you and two other forms of aoe constantly on the field
naive cobalt
You'll develop reflexes to the big circles and blade rifts. As for Tisephone, Idk, she's just tough as a support.
turbid needle
Tisi's triple wave attack is brutal.
naive cobalt
I can't take all three at once yet
wind vale
most of the time since the patch im getting surprised by tisiphone alone
naive cobalt
Two's no problem, but when they're all together, with overtime, and extra damage .. yowch
wind vale
her multi attack is just different enough that i never dodge it
fleet oracle
well allright, guess ill get used to it in time
and hopefully, one of these days, ill get hunting blades, i just need to pray to rngesus
charred ruin
If you get your proper boons early then you do enough damage to finish the fight in 30 seconds, and that's how you survive 🙂
naive cobalt
Lol
fleet oracle
thats the crit cast run
turbid needle
I have a new PB clear on Super Star where I had Merciful End before the Fury fight.
fleet oracle
but i dont wanna do that every run, so ill play around with other builds and weapons
and hope one day spear will get some changes
charred ruin
Aphrodite on main damage dealer and you are good to go
naive cobalt
Lately I've really not been liking Zeus. I feel like he's not as good at DPS as Dionysus, and he's not as good for raw damage as most of the other olympians.
fleet oracle
i should use her more often
wind vale
absolutely agree - zeus is so overrated here tho
charred ruin
do the fury assists count as traps +400% from traps?
fleet oracle
Zues was great when i first started this patch. But as the enemies get more health and damage, i find him less helpful as time goes on
charred ruin
Maybe I should stop with the 1500 gold hoarding for heat 8-10. Finish them easily and then do gold runs on no heat.
fleet oracle
Farm them, boyo. Farm them for all they’re worth
manic ermine
I have 20 keys left to go and no bounties to do
fleet oracle
Its farming simulator, baby
proud storm
I think meg's the toughest support actually
Her one move where she makes weird dark smoke pillars that shoot bullets everywhere
fleet oracle
I definitely prefer her as the main with the other two as support. It just feels, right, you know?
turbid needle
Anyone know the stats on miniboss rooms compared to trinkets?
fleet oracle
She’s definitely the better conversationalist
charred ruin
What do you mean stats on miniboss rooms?
charred ruin
Nope. I just know what middle management does in each.
wind vale
how many gems would i need for these insanely expensive cosmetics total - anyone got a list(just looking for the really high ones)
gloomy scroll
uhhhhhhhhhhhh so I can't really 
this but I just went down a heat gate and there were no enemies I just got a 50 hp heart
wind vale
nah - you just stomped on whoever was there so hard and instantly killed him without even noticing 🙂
woeful stirrup
Played the game again. Love the weapon aspects and the new way they introduce the Pact. Encouraging you to go further and further with it for sweet sweet loot.
Chiron bow overpowered though 
fleet oracle
ive noticed sometimes, the bull doesnt telegraph his 3 hit combo, it just comes out
odd
just gotta keep my distance until the hitbox is already out there, i suppose. you ca usually get behind him when he's mid combo
tacit jetty
Yeah that's the move that's been really getting on my nerves
And it doesn't always happen is the worst part
Sometimes he does a little animation before swinging, then other times he insta hits you like some shounen protagonist
fleet oracle
looks at a man 3 times the size of the main character i will beat him because of my superior speed
Now imagine the character being both the big boi and the main character
Thats the bull
tacit jetty
Zagreus: Surely I'll be able to outmaneuver a beast that large
Asterius: "Omae wa mou shindeiru"
Zagreus: "What!?"
Death Screen
wind vale
i really love the hera bow with dio cast
but i should have gotten anything for my special
there are rats everywhere
aaaahhhhhh
🙂
fleet oracle
Deflect special
Or zues for then rats
But hera bow is just great
Being able to use a power shot and also cast all your casts at once is awesome
wind vale
got 8 casts atm
fleet oracle
I use crit with it so imma upgrade it for the 5 second dislodge
Nice
Its a lotta damage
wind vale
oh also each has a 2nd smaller for i think 55% atm after it
its great
sadly no pressure points still
wind vale
ares probably good but really only after hunting blades
i mean they just fly off everywhere
wind vale
yea like usual ares cast
fleet oracle
(Ive done 8 runs with ares using poseidon sword and didnt get hunting blade once, hecka sad)
Artemis. You traitor
wind vale
the problem is that they dont start in front of the enemy with hera bow unless you aim that really well
fleet oracle
Where the enemy gets hit is where it goes out, or at max range of where you charge it, whichever comes first
wind vale
dio is no problem how you miss the enemy if you want to just get somewhat close
exactly what im saying - i often try not to hit the enemy
currently the only way for my cast to crit is hunters mark and i dont want it to get consumed by my arrow
fleet oracle
Thats wasting damage. Unless you put nothing on attack. I usually put aphro on attack. Weaken and deal more damage against them, that way crit casts do even more damage
wind vale
and i gave up on trying that since it seems only really good once i get 2 curses reliably on them
to also have the mirror bonus i mean
wind vale
i rather bet on ares giving urge to kill tbh
fleet oracle
Eh
wind vale
its almost the same and way more reliable to get
fleet oracle
I just get artemis crit cast, grab a few other artemis stuff as bonus throughout the biom, then on apshodel i grab aphro and go to town. You only really need to upgrade your attack and cast boon, everything else is just extra
wind vale
but just as much artemis as possible is what i try
and then athena and see if i can get their duo
wind vale
but i rarely crit with her
fleet oracle
Yeah, i crit pretty often
wind vale
with athena thats 35% and way more than normal artemis stuff
fleet oracle
10% crits quite often though. Especially once you get more casts
And i always grab athena stuff in styx or alysium as well. Getting all three is super good
More damage, more crit chance is always good
wind vale
5% from pressure points - i was still talking about dio cast build
wind vale
getting the 35-40% crit on dio it so amazing
fleet oracle
Getting aphro with it isnt bad either
Get aphro on dash then more damage against weakened and boom
All the damage
But trying to get all three is more far fetched than just two
wind vale
like i already go target dio, then artemis, then athena - after that i would go for her but thats a lot
fleet oracle
Aphro is just a nice bonus
Yeah
Its odd
I can get all that on bow
But i cant get ares cast with hunting blade
wind vale
yea somehow feels like they hide if i try but it usually works at some point
fleet oracle
Artemis never offers it, just keeps giving me crit stuff, and the mark, or support fire
wind vale
just very painful to get there(usualy only in elysium)
fleet oracle
So i end up having good crit builds, but never hunting blade builds
Alysium is a toughy without a homing cast
wind vale
and im going spear which i hate other than huge buffed casts with achilles
fleet oracle
Spear feels clunky
fleet oracle
Stick with dio
wind vale
nah dio is for my bow
fleet oracle
Zues isnt bad but in higher heat levels he falls off a bit
wind vale
id have to aim with spear build
fleet oracle
Yeah
wind vale
really like it
wind vale
also seems a good idea to get crit into it after i got the duo
(and then more casts with it since its artemis)
fleet oracle
Crit is always a good bonus
wind vale
i mean since i already got athena
fleet oracle
Get that duo
wind vale
for her duo with artemis and entierly passive crit on that cast bouncing around
fleet oracle
Shoot it as they attack so you deflect, boosting that crit chance
Yeah man
I might try it
fleet oracle
Dont build lodge based casts on spear, imo
wind vale
either i remember that it now sticks immediately in the first target or im hallucinating it
but if it sticks immediately and then continues flying poseidon might seem interesting
like retrieve the casts while they still bounce around
have to check how (or if) it works
wind vale
interesting: in the final bossfight at the end of the first phase he kills all adds
however: if its these respawning guys the eyeballs stay
cant respawn since it also removes the weapons
sadly they dont survive the real end of the fight
i wanted to keep one as pet 😄
Has anyone found a reallygood build with zeus aspect shield yet(i mean especially max level) - trying to figure out what i should upgrade next
fleet oracle
zues, or doom
get the duo with athena that makes doom basically instant
but i dont know for sure
these just sound like a good idea
just playing around with them should let you know
wind vale
oh great idea, no idea why i didnt think of that
i mean constant doom on the spinning disc and just dashing around like crazy
wont even need a upgraded shield
thanks - ill definitely try that
still debating then if i upgrade poseidon sword or zeus shield first then
probably poseidon since i now got something to do with the shield
gonna try stuff that could only work at higher levels (gods that increase % dmg) later then
tacit jetty
I haven't tried it but I like the idea of Athena on special to have a floating disk of attack reflection to position yourself around
fleet oracle
Im just gonna accept that i am unlucky
15 some runs of ares cast. Its so odd. Some legendaries i get for days, others i barely see when i build for them. The roll that rngesus provides is ever elusive
And no hunting blades. Artemis, why do you forsake me so
Luckily, every run, i also get doom
And abilities from other gods that amplify that damage
A little bit of instant doom there, some crit here, an aphro damage against weak over there, and boom, special doom spam
Im gonna try my doom idea, but with a regular shield and then the zues shield. Sounds like fun
Maybe im doing it wrong
For the artemis ares duo
I merely require the ares cast and something from artemis, right? Which god holds the homing bayblades then? Maybe im trying ti get the wrong god
Because i thought it was artemis that makes them hone in on my enemies
wind vale
you need a basic ability from artemis, so attack special dash or maybe call
not so sure with the call since some of these are strange(tho i think it was the aphrodite+artemis duo that didnt accept her call[and zeus poseidon duo does not take zeus call...], not this one, but absolutely not sure)
and ofc ares cast
then see either of the 2
fleet oracle
So i can get it from either after i have one ability from each. Good to know. Thanks
But that also means im super unlucky
I got a room with both ares and artemis and i already had a few boons from both.
And no hunting, oof.
I did get more damage for a slightly higher wait time and more crit damage though.
So it wasnt all bad
turbid needle
I have picked the bow like 6 times today and not once has it given me a floor one Special hammer. It's all been Attack upgrades.
You cannot get Duo boons from Trials with both gods.
That was a change they made a while back.
You can get Duo boons if the other god is not present, so an Ares/Zeus room would let you pick up any of their individual Duos, just not Vengeful Mood.
If I had to guess why, probably because people were rolling in Duos.
timber geode
I had a pretty weird run where I got the faster special on stygius, heroic divine flourish (thanks eurydice), special hits twice, more damage on deflected attacks... i literally could stand there and spam the special and take little to no damage. felt fun to be so powerful but i beat the last boss in less than two minutes. even if it was a lucky run, it was too overpowered and probably needs to be scaled back
inland pebble
Easy. Remove Double Nov- a sudden riot suddenly forms out of nowhere... suddenly, and demands whose head to hang first
inland pebble
The issue with Zeus boons set is that his dmg is fixed number. Which is really shines with low base dmg weapons like the Rail Attack and Bow Special, but comparatively much lower than all those %dmg increases boons.
However, I would argue that he has one of the most well-developed boon set. You just need to remember the key boons: Double Strike, Jolted, Zeus Legendary. Those 3 really makes mutiply Zeus's primary boons dmg. And once you have Jolted, other Zeus duo boons with Artemis and Dio starts to hurt.
dusky gyro
Just finished a run with the Rail, infinite ammo, and the Artemis boon that gives you an extra seeking shot for each attack/special/cast. Hermes attack speed buff on top of that, and Athena boon for the normal attack - super satisfying run
wind vale
ive been thinking crazy things again: its not possible to make euridice upgrade any boon above heroic if you lets say just got 2 boons before that you already upgraded to heroic, right?
they would be ignored rather than upgraded to some sort of legendary rarity, i hope?
gloomy scroll
This is the case, yes
pastel jolt
heroic is the highest a normal boon can go, yes
wind vale
was just thinking it might be possible with weapon aspects hanging around like boons with rarity common(lvl1), rare(lvl2), epic(lvl3), heroic(lvl4) and legendary(lvl5)
instead of the normal legendary boons being completely separate
also - does chiron aspect block the piercing barrage hammer upgrade from showing?
manic ermine
Aspects shouldn't be blocking hammer choices
wind vale
last time i asked i was told aspects wouldnt block anything but now i know 100% zeus aspect blocks dread flight
i know that since the way i chose a run is i check the first boon(or hammer in this case) and reset
knowing i will get the same again i pick from there
zeus shield gets a different hammer than the other shields if dread flight is there
while every weapon got the same hammer there otherwise
for all aspects
and since i cant seem to find piercing barrage with chiron im asking
naive cobalt
I guess it does make sense that Zeus aspect wouldnt have dread flight
I use chiron bow a lot, and I dont recall ever finding the piercing barrage with it.
wind vale
this is a strange interaction and im not really sure if its actually a bug: using the hestia gun and poseidon on the attack the super powered shot has no knockback at all but ofc still applies ruptured and the dmg increase to it
ill try to see how it interacts with zeus duo once i get it
manic ermine
I noticed that too
It doesn't get pierce from the hammer upgrade either, but does benefit from the explosive splash
untold quiver
@timber geode - you used 5 different upgrades to get that op build, that in my opinion is getting a good roll on the Rogue dice.......I think all the weapons have builds like that
clever shuttle
Ok
I have questions
Who is hestia? Do you unlock her? Because I've done 3 runs already and beat hades and I still haven't seen her
pastel jolt
hestia isn't in the game
clever shuttle
Oh
light nova
I done 25 heat runs with every weapon
So
The hardest was the Spear
Is it so as your experience says?
errant narwhal
hestia only has an aspect named after her, and the rail was her weapon, right?
light nova
I mean, maybe i forgotten how to play with it
errant narwhal
hera and nemesis also have aspects named after them but are not in the game
errant narwhal
so if you see people talking about hestia, they might be talking about the rail aspect
that is eurydice! you can encounter her in asphodel
errant narwhal
yeah its random
her room icon is the same as the room between biomes
shes very much worth visiting
woeful stirrup
We now have a special encounter with a gift in each of the first three areas. Sisyphus, Eurydice, Patroclus. I doubt we're gonna see one in the Temple of Styx, given the way it's made. Although it could be kinda cool having one of the choices being a special room.
errant narwhal
yeah i dont rlly see a styx npc happening 🤔
we have charon and his big shop, and cerberus, but this time we give him the gift!
the tables really have turned
woeful stirrup
@wheat elbow That attack is really telegraphed, and is easily dodgeable by just dashing around until it's over. I very rarely get hit by it. Maybe you're too close and not paying enough attention?
light nova
I think it's about additional speed.
I think the same as DeGrand playing with +20% speed of monsters
woeful stirrup
Well, they do mention having trouble even on regular speed.
The speed boost for monsters has always been kinda broken anyway, I don't know if it's been fixed since.
light nova
So yes. Hydra's arrows kind of strange and i don't know why they have been changed. They were good as bullets that you could break if you play fast.
@wheat elbow don't you think that Alectos blades have some homing effect?
wind vale
a small addition to before - i continued my poseidon+zeus duo fast firing hestia rail build - the super powered attack does apply ruptured, does not knock back at all and not trigger the duo(so actually no knockback instead of a knockback with no distance) but it also activates support fire
also a small (probably obvious) note to support fire - it only shoots on attack and special when they hit an enemy but the cast always gets a support fire when used
another tiny addition - even the poseidon legendary does not change anything in its behaviour
and again something i strangely didnt know - poseidons sunken treasure can also give an ambrosia
gloomy scroll
that's good to know
charred ruin
oh nice
rapid holly
had a surprisingly easy win with athena special and tipsy shot + sword. didnt even get to implement poseidon aspect
drowsy plover
@hybrid frost I don't think we're supposed to reply to eachother on the feedback channel but -- even tho you can still gain them from other sources, the overall amount of ambrosias you get is down from when that boon seemed good to pick.
@analog plover you're spot on! i forgot they swapped gems for heat, not added a new one. just being mistreated by RNG. I deleted my feedback
hybrid frost
@drowsy plover I wasn't thinking and have deleted my post. Thanks for pointing it out. Yes, I also think the drop rate on bottles is a little too random for comfort, but I also think plenty of the God boons under perform.
analog plover
Maybe I'm weird but Premium Vintage is actually one of my favourite boons. I love being able to turn useless stuff into useful stuff plus it's one of the most effective uses of Fated Authority I've found.
teal helm
I really don't like the poison mechanic. I find it such a break in the flow of combat that the other 80% of the game is built upon. I appreciate that there's a new trap damage to the new biome, but it's the thing I like least about the game as a whole, ever since its inclusion. And the colouring choice has been an issue since day one as well...
drowsy plover
Oh no, premium vintage is one of my favourites as well because of it turning 'useless' pickups into something good, I'd like to see a variant for the other pickups (gems, keys, darkness, coins) too. I just felt it might've need an adjustment with the new currencies being added but didn't think about heat going.
also I totally agree with the dislike of styx poison, it's jarring. I am fine with taking some damage over time from enemies, I also like having an active way to stop the damage (antidotes) but I'm still frustrated by it.
what if you couldn't cure the poison til the end of the room (and it can't take you below 1hp) but you recover all the hp you lost to poison when taking a drink at the end of the room? that way it can add pressure but not annoyingly wipe out your precious hp permanently or force you to run back to the shrine several times per combat
blissful sedge
I just won my first run off the back of having poison on my Special and Weak on my attack using Eris' Rail
drowsy plover
your first EVER run? congrats!
blissful sedge
Yeah, well, first since the 4th boss was added
I had a few Heat 75 runs when it just went to Elysium.
drowsy plover
oh wow, you really struggled with act 4 then? I didn't get near 75 heat on the old pact but killed the old man a bunch
blissful sedge
I also immediately realized that you could get diamonds and CKeys off Heat 0 runs, so I guess I should go back and do those xD
blissful sedge
I just started back up yesterday tbf, it was my 103rd run
Yeah, I turned it off, looked over and saw them all with ? and just... smh
drowsy plover
that's good feedback though, the big glowy bar really tells you to fill it before you do a run.
blissful sedge
I think poison is really good if you have a reliable way to stack it quickly though, I was doing an extra 8x10 damage every .5 seconds just incidentally, I was mostly using the Aphrodite legendary to clear the rest of the game
I mean, maybe I'm wrong? I haven't actually done a run without heat since.. Hydra? lol
https://imgur.com/a/B0zsbz3 Seems ambiguous though, it does say "Choose a Condition at right to earn more Bounties" but then there are ? where the rewards go
blissful sedge
Just tested it - Got a diamond for clearing Tartarus. So, if you, like me, haven't played any Heat 0 runs, it's probably worth playing some easy mode to get the diamonds and keys.
atomic panther
Remember to take the Lucky Tooth in Styx
And aim for Athena's Death Defiance boons
cursive citrus
dang bull ruined my collection 😒
atomic panther
🇫
atomic panther
@turbid needle It's not guaranteed, but the wretched broker in the lobby does sometimes offer trades of 20 Skeleton Keys to 1 Cthonic Key
turbid needle
That's still not enough for me to warrant collecting the keys as room rewards. I honestly dread when I have no choice but to pick up a skeleton key as a reward
it is the ONE room reward that I don't even think about the choice when I'm presented with skeleton key vs any other option
I immediately go for the other option
atomic panther
Really? I actively seek out Skeleton Keys, because they're the most direct translation through the broker of normal reward to boss reward
turbid needle
I mean, I prefer going for Obel because it's far more worthwhile, because of what Charon offers at his stores, darkness allows for the Mirror upgrades to actually be bought, and gems allow for the cosmetics though the purchase rate of gems to other options just aren't really worth it, and the ambrosia bottles are what allow for the growth of relationships and with the next major update focusing on that
atomic panther
Obols and Skeleton Keys aren't offered against each other
And going for Ambrosia for story purposes is a valid reason
turbid needle
you're right, but between key/heart/boon/ambrosia/darkness
I'm always going to pick the others over keys
the conversion of skeleton keys to cthonic keys through the broker is so rare that I didn't even know it was an option
atomic panther
Hearts and Boons also can't be offered against Keys
It's Keys/Ambrosia/Darkness/Gemstones
turbid needle
Well, I'm gonna be picking all three of the others over keys
turbid needle
there's just not enough payoff for skeleton keys anymroe
the RARE times I find troves that require the keys to open I've gained enough keys through forced pick ups that I open it without any thought
and the payoff of troves that have gems is WAY worth any sort of trade the broker might offer for the keys
woeful stirrup
I disagree with the fact that there's no payoff for keys. With the update, I've gone from 25 keys to 13, in 6 runs. I've seen many chests that give up to 60 gems for 3 keys or vast amounts of money I can use to buy a chtonic key or diamond in the temple of Styx. I'm probably gonna choose keys over darkness and gems now, since you're pretty much guaranteed a better payoff in the long run (why would I go for 5 gems if a single trove will give me more than that even if I mess it up?)
stable oyster
Of all the currencies I think keys are first for me as well, they can be traded for super keys, and used in run to open troves that positively effect your run
crisp iris
what are current list of animation cancels we have?
there's two types on Stygian blade, and one on Spear that I have tried
turbid needle
Hmmm, my personal experience has been different. I rarely find troves that require keys, and the times that I do find troves that require keys, I've generally earned enough to open it
I've stayed at a solid 15+ keys since the update dropped and I've done, about 13 runs
and that's hitting every trove I can
I haven't ever seen the trade from Skeleton key to cthonic key either
so I had no idea I could trade them over
frosty pier
/ Laughs is 200 keys farmed during times then Hydra was the final boss /
turbid needle
all I'm saying is I don't feel like the conversion of keys to other currency's that exist in the form of troves that need unlocking or the trader isn't really often compared to the other trade offers.
ripe iron
Dionysus poison is the worst boon of choice for almost every weapon and attack or special. #changemymind @fallen wind @wheat elbow
manic ermine
The numbers are just bad. I'd like an spillover mechanic for hitting stuff at max stacks.
manic ermine
But the base damage on blitz disc is decently high so flat poison isn't as great
naive cobalt
Dio is at least the best for the snake oil hydra fight :v
frosty pier
I'm a broke ass with no keys my buzzsaw has 8 damage
naive cobalt
Being able to damage lots of units while you just focus on dodging around can be great
fallen wind
Poison works well on fast weapons. You want to apply stacks fast to get constant ticks and half a Privileged Authority. I use Poison with Rail most often. I do find that it is generally garbage for Specials (haven't tried it with the Zeus Shield Aspect yet) but it is super bad with Sword, Rail, and Shield specials (base aspects)
inland pebble
Nah, Dio ie great with Shield Special, especially when you have Dread Fight or Chaos Aspect
fallen wind
I've used Aphrodite Special with Dio Attack on the Rail and with some of the right Hammer Boons the damage ramps up fast. Is it the absolute most powerful ever? Maybe not. But it works for me.
inland pebble
(But then again, burst damage type is also good with Chaos Aspect 🤔)
ripe iron
Yeah did you read the bit in my feedback where I said I could apply the poison (which was heroic tier btw) with probably the fastest possible way in the game, and completing the run still took twice as long as my last 30 runs?
inland pebble
I have no idea what your playstyle is. How can I jugde if you apply the poison enough?
Oh, you played it with the Spear 🤭🤔
Not the most efficient way to apply Dio poison I'm afraid
fallen wind
@ripe iron One bad experience does not a trend make. It is based on playstyle and what other upgrades and hammers you got. The stated goal from the Devs is to make your decisions interesting, not necessarily to make every combination good. If that build didn't work for you, you can avoid it in the future.
manic ermine
The point is dio is bad in most situations
inland pebble
most a very important distinction here
manic ermine
The only grace is priviledged access on a single boon
You can swap in zeus on almost any dio build and do more damage
fallen wind
One of Dio's biggest strengths is Privileged Status. One of his other big strengths is he has some excellent Passive Boons. If I'm doing a Dio run, focus on those things to make him work.
Sure, I'd like to see his power level increased a bit, but I'd like the see EVERY God's power level increased because I like feeling badass and if I want a challenge, that's what the Pact is for.
inland pebble
I would say Dio is good with Bow special (Chiron preferred, which I would argue that it deals more dmg than Zeus, especially with Aphrodite duo), Rail attack, and argurably Shield Special.
manic ermine
Bow special? not likely
ripe iron
@fallen wind I can avoid it in the future? Wow great advice! Exactly what I said in my feedback actually. I mean, I've done over 250 runs, I've tried poison a bunch of times over the last 3 patches, it's not really one bad experience. The run I referred to was a strong setup that showed how weak it was in comparison. I really don't need any more proof to know the power difference.
fallen wind
Also, in terms of balance, data > anecdotes and SGG is the ones who have data. Not us. I trust then until otherwise noted.
inland pebble
Have you tried Chiron Bow Aphrodite Attack + Dio Special?
manic ermine
we have the numbers
ripe iron
We literally have the numbers.
ripe iron
inland pebble
?
merry wolf
THIS IS THE GREATEST GAME IVE PLAYED IN SO LONG, THE RECENT UPDATES AHHHHHHHH
fallen wind
That's... not what I meant. What I meant is the data in regards to what % of the time selecting a Boon results in a win or a loss with what Heat and what weapon, etc.
merry wolf
gtfo out of here gungeon, i hit super strong duo boons last night, my goodness this game is so addicting now that i did a clean run
fallen wind
In terms of the raw numbers sure we can theorycraft all we want.
ripe iron
Yeah but that's not the determinant of power solely.
fallen wind
(Folks, I have to drive to work. Catch you later.)
merry wolf
on a serious note is there a POB for this game 😄
ripe iron
Stay safe.
inland pebble
Okay, IF you have to play Dio on the Spear, choose Dio Special. And stop wasting Spear's dmg potential with Flurry Stab!
merry wolf
I only recently realized that each wep now has a storyline kinda only unlocked sword so far, what u guys reccomend next to work on 🙂
ripe iron
Experiment with all of them tbh, and focus on what makes you happy if you want to focus
merry wolf
oh
tawdry jackal
HOW SEA STORM INTERACTS WITH SPLITTING BOLT??
also how Sea Storm interacts with Double Wave?
toxic tusk
Well, I saw a run that @wheat elbow did with Chiron Bow, Aphrodite on attack and Dio on special, alongside the duo-boon, plus Relentless Barrage. The damage was amazing. Stuff like that makes Dio shine
tawdry jackal
i tried that out, I think Poseidon and even Aphrodite shines much more ib Chiron's Bow with Relentless Barrage
Massive stacks of Dio are great but still takes a while to kill, the other two are almost insta kills
toxic tusk
I was thinking about a combo for Chiron bow (really loving it) just to try new stuff, it would be something like Ares on attack, Athena on special, the duo-boon and Rapid Shot. I think that can cause the doom effect to proc quickly, and with Rapid Shot it's easy to spread doom
manic ermine
Finished the Cthonic Key grind, good riddance I say
charred ruin
To which heat level you had to get with each weapon to unlock everything?
hybrid frost
So, I was thinking about the current 'bonus-darkness-on-certain-weapon' system that's in place right now and how it seems less efficient now with the new resource added in. So I thought, what if instead of a 10% bonus on any darkness collected, it gave you a fixed amount of darkness each time you cleared an encounter chamber? Like if it gave 1 darkness, you'd have earned at least 50 darkness by the end of the run without having ever chosen darkness as a chamber reward. I know this would have some repurcusions, but I think it could be worth implementing.
tawdry jackal
@Erdos#7236 try Chiron Bow + Tempest Flourish + Sea Storm + Relentless Barrage (even nerfed)
each of the Arrows deal massive damage and summon a 40dmg Lightning Bolt because of Sea Storm - 40 extra damage for EACH arrow, its really powerfull!
Im trying to find out if Splitting Bolt also doubles Sea Storm's 40 dmg bolts, cuz Spliting Bolt's description says "All your lightning effects creates an additional 40 damage lightning burst"
if they dont interact, it should be noted and put on the wikia also
also found out recently that Sweet Nectar doesnt interact with Pom Porridge, thats a shame but also super fair
should be on the wikia too though
wind vale
yea that is amazing and has so much potential to upgrade and everything works together
both their curses
both legendary boons
and all their general buffs to their own effects
its huge
only thing is that poms(or chaos) dont really do much
but back to the idea of ares athena duo and flurry shot with chiron bow: why not reverse it and use athena on attack and ares on special?
seems like it has more potential, not only because special has way higher damage on boons but it can still be used unfocused to spread doom on entire rooms and can profit better from dire misfortune
slim ember
i think its better to see the current chamber (number) on the screen, without press tab
tawdry jackal
one more thing that I though about but I think doesnt happen
Sea Storm sending 2 bolts against foes that are pushed twice by Breaking Waves (Poseidon's Legendary, that makes enemies be pushed back twice)
If Sea Storm strikes 40 damage on foes that are pushed back once, it should Strike twice on enemies pushed back two times
Like
Legendaries and Duo Boons are hard and costly to get, so if you get them all, I think its fair for them to interact this way!
wind vale
let me check it (got a save with some insane run i can use to test it) but i think it works
toxic tusk
@wind vale I thought of Athena on special because since the arrows chase the target, it might be easy to deflect, but the doom spread might be a nice idea
tawdry jackal
I like Ares on Bow Special, I use it since March
so having Ares Special with Athena attack and their Duo Boon sound good
the bad thing is having to reaply doom every time
I like having Deflect on Dash, so it applies very often and easily on Artemis/Athena and Ares/Athena Duo Boons
wind vale
i mean doom is supposed to be the main damage option so triggering it seems like a good idea
and you apply it often if you shoot a full special volley on the opponent
if you manage to get a normal attack or two in between that seems great
and i also use the athena dash most of the time but this seems to be a more ranged build
toxic tusk
If you had Dire Misfortune, with Chiron bow you got a lot more damage on the special. With the homing arrows, it's nice for single targets
tawdry jackal
oh
when you forcibly activate Doom effect with their Duo Boom
the target receives full doom damage + 90?
wind vale
i would still prefer to trigger in between because of the duo especially yea
tawdry jackal
OH MY GOD, ERDOS!
I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT
it could be very good
maybe
must test this someday
wind vale
the damage increase from misfortune is great i wouldnt hold back on the rhythm because of it
toxic tusk
Well, my pc "died" on me, and I lost the save. When I get a new one, got to try that after unlocking the aspects 😂
wind vale
also - i just tested the poseidon zeus duo thing with their legendary boons and it works
the poseidon legendary is just delayed and so is the follow up damage
tawdry jackal
oh
last run I was with Heroic Poseidon Sword
Epic Slicing Shot
Rare Black Metal
Vicious Cycle offered just after
met both Ares and Artemis 7 more times, not once either of them offered Hunting Blades, Artemis just kept offerinf that Quick Reload one every other time, it was pretty annoying
wind vale
did test on fast firing rail and not chiron but should be the same
toxic tusk
Chirow Bow, Ares special, Dire Misfortune and Athena duo-boon, looks like a good damage. If the target has Privileged Status, I think you got a doom killing machine
tawdry jackal
how did you test it, @wind vale ?
oh
another one that was very, very OP
Hexagryph + Infinite Chamber + Supportive Shot (Artemis)
I just pumped Supportive Shot full of Poms until it was 50 damage per Seeking Arrow
each normal shot spawns a powerfull seeking shot, not even counting Triple Bomb or Fully Loaded Cast
there were tons of spawned Arrows in the screen x3
somw people say its boring if you get too powerful, but if youre going against enemies with 60% more numbers and 50% more life, and 2 Life Insurances,
like
you NEED that kinda damage
double life insurance on the rats in last styx chamber ("Rat Rush" I dubbed it, no bosses, just endless wave of rats) made me lose 2 Kisses of Styx
toxic tusk
Sometimes, you just need an overpowered run. It feels so good!
wind vale
@tawdry jackal sorry - had to leave for a bit - like i said i just loaded a save i got from a insane run and just shot an enemy to see what damage (and which damage type) happens and when
(i usually make backups from my save file when i get some sort of insane run)
tawdry jackal
you had Sea Storm, Splitting Bolt and Breaking Waves in this save too??
wind vale
yea i got fast firing rail with poseidon on attack, zeus on duo, both their curses, both legendary boons - it wwas quite insane
oh also got a support fire with it and some crit chance
support fire was the only thing i could reasonably use poms on
tawdry jackal
wwtff??? how??? xD xD
so insane!
native ether
For Clarification on some pact options since I saw some feedback in the feedback chat:
- All effects that increase enemy stats also increase boss stats (so extra health, damage, and speed)
- Increased enemy summons do not (afaik) affect boss summons, as of the Superstar Update.
- Increased elite enemies affect all types of elite enemies in a mini boss room, with the Exception of Styx elites. This means increased spawns for the murderboat, +1 Megagorgons and +1 Skullcrushers, and so on.
wind vale
if i play a lot sometimes i get insanely broken runs (and i back them up when i do)
tawdry jackal
when I get an insane run I just screenshot the boons screen
i really like it
if you have some cool screenshots please share them x3
wind vale
ill try to remember to make one then
tawdry jackal
thank.you <3
native ether
Am I also the only person that doesn't mind the 3 megagorgon/Skullcrushers with heat?
wind vale
not at all
native ether
Cause even though it chews through my health, unless you're super beat up, it's not likely to kill you and you can heal up later.
tawdry jackal
i lost 4 lifes with my Nemesis Sword im the last time I dared get +2 Middle Mnagaement
so I think its very unbalanced for only 2 heat
native ether
I suppose it would be bad if you're running 43 heat but it's avoidable, don't take the miniboss room
Yeah probably sucks for a melee build. It's not bad on the Rail at all tbh.
wind vale
i dont know - i really see no problem with that fight
tawdry jackal
sometimes the reward prevails caution
its my fault to go into the mid-boss fight without long range option against 3 mega gorgons and skull crushes
wind vale
and middle management only hits the one fight in tartarus, the murderboat/megagorgon and the large butterflyball if you get it
native ether
I think Middle Management should be worth more heat but it should affect the Styx chambers tbh. Cause it's not very consistent.
tawdry jackal
I still think it should be +1 Mid-Boss, not +1 for each
boat fights also gets ridiculous, but irs somwhat moee manageable
wind vale
the styx chambers are really strange anyways
tawdry jackal
thats painful, but I agree wirh PearUhDox in adding oh joy, even more Cloaked Satyrs xD
wind vale
i mean to me the skull rooms are generally easier then the non skull ones
and they dont even get harder with middle management so its kinda too easy
at least how i see it
manic ermine
I run Spearpoint almost every time in styx so satyrs aren't dangerous
tawdry jackal
Id like to see Middle Management creating Phantom copies of Asterius
only thing that'd make me rethink taking it xD xD xD
wind vale
same - unless i got holy shield
manic ermine
I do think spear is still too strong, possibly the shield should only protect one damage instance
wind vale
and why not fully clone asterius? i mean acorn doesnt seem to think hes a boss, so he has to be a miniboss 😄
tawdry jackal
Full Athena run was stupid tanky
+2 Death Defiances (+13% Healing and +3Seconds Impervious)
+25% Dodge Chance from Hermes (only by luck)
+Epic Broken Spear
- Divine Protection
I finished the game with 3 Death Defiances and 280/300 HP
wind vale
if i got that much athena i usually get holy shield at some point
and then i prefer stuff like the dog collar (even nerfed)
or bracer/acorn
native ether
I heavily prefer the Spearpoint because I rarely seem to run into Holy Shield
That's mostly cause Athena is very underwhelming on the Rail so I don't take many Athena boons
tawdry jackal
havent even touched the Acorn yet, seems Very Very underwhelming,....
wind vale
i always seem to get it especially when athena doesnt want to give me something good(meaning high rarity) - so i take it since it doesnt really matter what rarity it is
manic ermine
I'd only use acorn in combination with +damage pact
tawdry jackal
oh, surprisingly I wasnt offered neither Holy Shield or Sure Footing this whole run!