I'm surprised you can make Triple Shot work, the spread has always been far too wide for me.
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
tacit jetty
Same
hard holly
@fleet oracle do you remember how much your first pom increased your damage?
fleet oracle
no
woven kindle
You have to get dangerously close to do triple shot on one target
fleet oracle
i can see on the next run, ill let you know after i complete this one
stable oyster
I think a major thing to consider is that all the hammer upgrades favor % over doom
turbid needle
@inland pebble that's why It's gonna be probably nerfed to t2 and it will have halved values... also it's not too bad on shield
hard holly
Ok, does anyone have any picture of a lvl 1 cast boon in a pom upgrade window from the latest patch?
woven kindle
I mean isn't it only triple and double shots that favor the multiplier? (and even triple can be used to spread doom more instead of trying to powershot one thing down, and as I've pointed out before it feels very bad vs blue hearts)
hard holly
I know its a bit specific, but it would be a great help
stable oyster
Also instant shot, explosive shot, power shot thing
turbid needle
@inland pebble that being said I enjoy seeing potentially strong Zagreus aspect build
woven kindle
Don't those add flat modifiers, which don't really care if you have aphrodite or not?
turbid needle
Correct.
woven kindle
Still spreads more doom as well
stable oyster
Instant shot increases your rate of fire
turbid needle
You mean Rapid Shot?
woven kindle
Also I want to point out the entire reason doom came up was "what weapon doesn't it work on" and only really rail special felt like a candidate, but bow attack was brought up :/
hard holly
Alright, I got the poom formula
woven kindle
And I'm arguing it totally works
hard holly
Pom
turbid needle
Rail Attack for Doom is totally fine.
hard holly
It works, its just suboptimal
turbid needle
Best for groups, though.
hard holly
So, here is how the pom formula works
woven kindle
Yes please pom formula
hard holly
If youre on a cast that isnt Ares, any dash damage trait (not Artemis here) or any revenge trait
Actually, let me see if I can do a proper formula out of this
woven kindle
On another note, should the duo for revenge traits be buffed a little? Feels too slow for what it does 😦
turbid needle
I'd like to see it brought down to at most 3.
hard holly
Nah I cant do a math formula right now, too tired
turbid needle
2 seconds was a little busted, though.
hard holly
So, here is the deal
woven kindle
It's every 3.5 seconds and revenge traits tend to be on dash levels of power per cast (which is tiny since dashes happen so fast)
stable oyster
The danger is that you can get multiple revenge boons in one run
hard holly
First pom you get gives you 60% of a common lvl 1 boons damage to your boon if its a non-ares cast, non-artemis dash, or any revenge trait
And 40% if its any other trait
The second then gives you 70% of that
The third 70% of the second
And so on
Minimum value is 10% of the original 60/40%
So, lets say we want to know the value of an epic aphrodite boon at level 3, if the original one was 90%
Its 90+0.6*50+0.6*0.7*50=
141%
No wait
woven kindle
That sounds too high
stable oyster
Aphrodite special right
woven kindle
Ah so that's "any other trait"
hard holly
Attack
stable oyster
Oh ok
hard holly
Im using aphrodite as an example because her base attack is 50
50 makes for easy numbers
stable oyster
Special epic is like 130 my b
hard holly
So a theoretical level 20 aphrodite boon would be, lets see
woven kindle
I'm quite interested in knowing when it's better to try go for the rarity increase or the level ups with Euridice
So far I've been a bit underwhelmed by most rarity increases
hard holly
215%
woven kindle
Oof for 20 poms
stable oyster
I tend to like rarity increases just because I stack poms a lot
hard holly
Rarity increases are often better
stable oyster
It depends on the run
turbid needle
I just locked down the final boss with Unhealthy Fixation for literally the entire fight.
woven kindle
Yeah they need to nerf that I think
Final boss shouldn't be able to be locked down so hard (probably)
You only require 1 way to weaken and 1 lucky legendary boon and you never have problems with elysium or styx bosses
Especially on dash since it seems to get 2 possible procs
How has everyone felt about the new pact of punishment so far, with a bit of experimentation? Especially curious on the timer and if anyone has felt it was really feasible to consistently get through on high heat
In under 6 minutes on every realm 😢
fleet oracle
well, you see, when you use an op build, yes
woven kindle
The blue hearts on everything make it feel impossible to clear that fast even if you do ludicrous damage though D:
lost sigil
oh my god, Rail with Eris aspect, explosive shot, infinity rail, zeus on main attack, pressure points and support fire is actually hilarious
hard holly
Yup, as I said, 60% of the level 1 addition
lost sigil
support fire just added a whole level of craziness, it's great lol
hard holly
On a sidenote, boon rarity doesnt matter that much if you boon it a lot, so I feel better about picking rare boons
lost sigil
Yea exactly
I am also afflicted them with weak using passion dash and jolt
so they take more damage from the status effetcs
fleet oracle
i just want a heroic exit wound. lets hope i get the nymth this time
woven kindle
I have a feeling there is no heroic version of exit wounds, epic is the highest I've ever seen
Hopefully if Eurydice hits it then it actually increases in damage
fleet oracle
heroic is what you get fro eurydice
woven kindle
Eurydice is the other way
fleet oracle
eurydice is how ive been getting heroic stuff to begin with
stable oyster
Eur can get you heroic
fleet oracle
yes
turbid needle
wait...
stable oyster
Oh yea
turbid needle
did they really buffed the bone hourglass ?
woven kindle
She can hit everything even if it doesn't actually improve the numbers (rip)
fleet oracle
its her first food item, if it touches an epic, it goes up to heroic
hard holly
According to the files, yes, heroic should increase the damage
lost sigil
i wonder when they bring life leech out 😄
woven kindle
Oh goody, do you have the number?
😮
Please be 400 or something absurd, I want to one shot hades with a dislodge crit
stable oyster
If you want to one shot hades try aphro call
woven kindle
boo, it was only 20, i should have known
woven kindle
How many ways can you increase aphro call damage? Priv Status/+damage while weak/crit and ?
Oh lodged cast
Wait does that work
woven kindle
Righto forgot about that
woven kindle
Is there a chaos boon for call damage increase? o.o
woven kindle
Don't stop levelling it, I wanna see screenshots of your 1200 damage crits
hard holly
1200 isnt possible Im pretty sure
woven kindle
Isn't it possible with chaos boons?
fleet oracle
ill try to get as much as i can tho
lost sigil
woven kindle
I've gotten 2 chaos boons for cast damage before
hard holly
I think you still fall short
lost sigil
I can't see a thing 😄
hard holly
No wait
woven kindle
That doesn't sound right, I got a pretty bad rarity in that case and hit something like 1188 crits
hard holly
Cast boons change the base damage
fleet oracle
when you get what you want but the next room is poseidon....oof
fleet oracle
lets hope ts gold and such
woven kindle
Poseidon: "What is my purpose"
"You give +60% coins"
"Oh my god"
fleet oracle
oh yeah, i got the artemis deflect duo, so now my deflect special can hit for crit damage too
45% crit on deflect, nice
woven kindle
Yeah I'm playin Poseidon has some great potential, great for standard encounters, but the bosses ignoring his gimmick sucks 😦
woven kindle
Oo boy 55% chance to crit with your cast then
turbid needle
I actually was getting bosses driven into corners before this nerf earlier.
stable oyster
Poseidon cast is a good cast that doesn’t need support
fleet oracle
if you could pinball them around,it would be rad
woven kindle
Oh with Chiron?
I feel like Chiron is making Poseidon quite happy with how much more use he gets purely from the bow xD
hard holly
Wait, did they undo the bosses being knocked back again?
woven kindle
I think there was a mild nerf(?)
Still very hard to make it work well against bosses I've found
Without being out of position
stable oyster
They nerfed knockback on now special
turbid needle
Zeus Attack, Support Fire, Deadly Reversal, Divine Dash, 40% clean kill...
fleet oracle
304 crit on special. 508 on cast. im liking this sword
turbid needle
triple rocket artemis special lol
woven kindle
Getting all special hammers and you won't even bother casting anymore
turbid needle
I actually wanted assault rifle, but I guess world is troll
woven kindle
And by all I think I mean 2
turbid needle
Chaos gives me additional casts, hammers are special lol
and boons are also pretty good for the attack lol
woven kindle
No
lost sigil
isn't that the whole point of these games? to see how broken you can become 😄
turbid needle
I already had my share of opness with spread shot working with Hestia
woven kindle
From 0 boons in the run
lost sigil
@turbid needle I missed that train 😦
turbid needle
@lost sigil that was basically first day... and they actually had that fancy animation were it slowly shooted all 5 shots
and it did SO MUCH FRICKIN DAMAGE
woven kindle
Why would I ever pick hestia over eris now 😢
turbid needle
Hestia is too clunky to be aspect really
woven kindle
Maybe Eris shouldn't last so long, 8 seconds has a lot of room for error
turbid needle
I would literally see shotgun being an aspect so much better than Hestia as it is
lost sigil
I mean, I think the build I have at the moment is the most broken one I have played and it is far from sub optimal
missing a lot of artemis / ares buffs
turbid needle
and hell, I love the idea of the empowered basic attack
but not when it's basically "hey hestia aspect overwrites every single attack hammer"
woven kindle
Can you still get them or does it actually remove them from the options?
woven kindle
It seems necessary to stop you bursting through a boss before they get to do anything while they're charging a slow attack
lost sigil
Yea, I understand why they are there but they stop the fun 😄
only in my opinion at least 🙂
woven kindle
I mean it might still be better than making them spongy
fleet oracle
i like how caster builds require no hammer upgrades, theyre just a nice bonus, like having two specials for the price of one on sword, or more range
so level 7 heroic artemis cast is 235, with like a 778 crit
of course, the crit also has the 10% poseidon aspect damage to it too, cant wait to get it to 50%
i didnt get my exit wound this run tho.
sad
ok, here's the disgusting part, because i think its dumb
i cant be hit
i have a 30% speed on special
double hit with wide area special
on sword, btw
with deflect
nothing that isnt a beam, can hit me
ive been spamming special in styx, and nothing has hurt me except the snake heads, and i just cast crit those
this should not be workin
on the other hand
tiny rats aint no issue
but yeah, just spamming special shouldnt allow me to literally not get hit
its, weird
turbid needle
You have Swift Flourish?
fleet oracle
yuh
turbid needle
Look at it this way: If you get too complacent, Hades will gib you in his second phase.
fleet oracle
oh no, i have a present for hades
its my 847 crit damage cast
1/3 of the health bar gone before his first disappearence
i think this is the run i win
but yeah, i havent needed to dash, just time my deflect and keep casting. i love aggressive builds.
what builds do people take with the spear, usually?
wind vale
i always ay it and i say it again: the best spear build is a cast build 😄
but now achilles aspect can boost casts
fleet oracle
so hey, quickaroo questionaroo
turbid needle
Definitely gave up on a Special ru once when I got Hunting Blades with Achilles.
fleet oracle
how do i post my build that i won with here?
fleet oracle
right, but i dont see the option of posting the pic here
turbid needle
Find a free image hosting website online.
Only place we can post pictures is in Fanworks, I think.
stable oyster
Or post in another server and copy paste the link
fleet oracle
but yeah, this is the one that gave me 847 damage on crit. i like it.though i didnt get the exit wound boon
turbid needle
Oh, wow.
fleet oracle
the deflect duo gave me a total of 55% crit, too
turbid needle
Nice, spawn into a hammer with the new Sword options.
Flurry Blade autofire; I don't know who needs bodies buried, but I'm your guy.
fleet oracle
haha. nice
i suppose that would be great with zues' boon for quick wave clear as well
what boon do you sue with flurry blade, zagreoose?
turbid needle
Whatever I can get.
Haven't picked anything up for it yet.
Just got Epic Lightning Strike, so I'll see how that plays.
fleet oracle
ah, alright
turbid needle
It's not bad!
inland pebble
It's pratically a Rail Zeus Att run, but close range
turbid needle
Got Deadly Reversal a little bit ago (between Divine and Enshrouded Flourish, +152% Special damage) and it worked Alecto pretty quickly.
inland pebble
Wait till you have Support Fire on top of it 😈😈😈
turbid needle
I hope I pick up Swift Strike.
charred ruin
On all the 3 runs I did today I came to stage 4 with 1500 gold and the shop offered a diamond instead of a key... orz
fleet oracle
hehe
nice
i think i came up with my perfect limited boon build to just save gold for keys as well
just, cast, man. cast is the key to life
errant narwhal
the broker might ask u to trade it tho, no?
fleet oracle
yeah for sure
2 diamonds for one key
plus diamonds can be traded for other things, like S O N G S
errant narwhal
so buying whatever is offered is always worth if u have the money
charred ruin
I kinda take aphrodite+dio on everything right now except for sword 3 cast build in which i do athena all the way
charred ruin
but still put aphrodite on special or at least dash
charred ruin
i use what's OP so I can save 1500 gold
charred ruin
and getting hit for half the dmg is op imo
fleet oracle
its always nice
being delt less damage to
but you know something?
wont get damaged if they die before attacking
or if you get that shield that regenerates every 20 second
s
charred ruin
the regular enemies are pushovers. all the planning is for the bosses
fleet oracle
for sure
once you get used to them all, they're easy to deal with
bosses are a fight of attrition at times, so youre more likely to mess up
charred ruin
I stopped going for glass cannon builds where you gotta evade everything
too prone to error and kill runs
raven jungle
sooooooo it says theres a door you can open up with 7 diamonds OwO
charred ruin
the decorator npc?
it's not
it only takes out one of the walls, not getting you into a new area or anyhing
best use for diamonds is to trade 2 of them for 1 cthonic key 
raven jungle
SADNESSS
fleet oracle
i mean, once you get used to dodging its fine. either way, by the end of my runs i have around 275 health anyway, so im never full glass cannon
its just all i have to do is upgrade my artemis cast and i get around 800 damage on crits with it
charred ruin
the last boss does 40 dmg if he hits you. more if you got hit by the projectile
but only 20 with aphrodite 🙂
fleet oracle
ok
but like, dodge. i dunno, i dont have trouble evading anymore. and a special deflect always helps too
being able to use well time deflects to negate damage is nice, but thats just my personal playstyle
we all play differently
charred ruin
not all weapons are great for cast builds
fleet oracle
i am aware, thats why i use poseidon aspect sword
or the cast bow
and spear, sometimes
but it depends on your playstyle
raven jungle
so then whats the stuff on the side of the courtyard with the skulls over it?
charred ruin
ok but I try to find stable ways to nail 1500 with all weapons, since I try to get all bounties on each heat level
fleet oracle
you dont have to. but seeing as how all i do is use poms i get throughout the game to upgrade my cast and special deflect, i usually have gold to spare. sell some stuff here and there
all you gotta do is budget on your build
just play it and figure out what works.
im just saying that we all play differently, and that ive never really thought about using damage reduction. but ill prolly try it with my spear run
spears are hard for me
for some reason
charred ruin
sword 3 cast is OP, no argument there. the challenge is to make all other weapons as OP with minimal upgrades.
fleet oracle
which one you using right now
charred ruin
today i did with sword 3, spear 1, shield 3
on heat 4
2 left and then moving to heat 5
fleet oracle
i know one build that works for everything, but is less op then other builds
a good amount of doom
just , do nothing but doom damage
ive never used spears or shields so i cant say
ive only used aspect 2 and 3 of the sword, and aspect 2 of rail
a good cast build that doesnt lodge into people is ares with homing casts
but that can take a while into the run to get off the ground, imo
charred ruin
that's the old OP build
fleet oracle
if it works, it works. its not bad, even now. just shoot it, run away, come back in a bit
but those builds are like, every weapon kinda thing, since again, i havent used the shield or spear
charred ruin
yeah but it was never stable. had to get lucky during the run to get it.
I like builds where on stage 1 I have all the vital parts
fleet oracle
i mean, every build needs luck. i got lucky in getting epic casts three runs in a row. but good god, no exit wounds. i miss my exit wounds
charred ruin
and everything else is just a bonus, and can be sold if needed
fleet oracle
when you have 4 bioms and you want your build to be done in the first, oof
but i feel that
charred ruin
yeah because it's a snowball effect.
fleet oracle
being able to spend the next 3 bioms to do nothing but save gold and pom your boons is nice
charred ruin
if you don't get the build ready ASAP, you spend more money on healing
fleet oracle
if you get hit.
charred ruin
so harder to get to 1500
charred ruin
Well I put 2 heat on extreme measures so it's hard to avoid all the things the 3 furies throw at you
it's more about killing the active one fast
charred ruin
chaos is RNG as hell, can't count on it
fleet oracle
the GAME is rng as hell. but yeah, chaos can be unreliable. he's a nice bonus when you get what you want, and the rest of the time its just passable but you dont need it
cant say how many times the best boon i coulda got was an attack up when i was doing a special run and the boon didnt do anything for me
charred ruin
I try to reduce the need for luck as much as possible. So I check the first drop and then give up and take a suitable weapon and keepsake for it, to get the build started ASAP
fleet oracle
i guess i find it fun just rolling with it and seeing what i can do with what i get
fleet oracle
you can manipulate more than that with the god keepsakes.
wary knot
They nerfed poseidon bow special? At least I got to experience the Chiron aspect fun while it lasted 
turbid needle
They only nerfed Relentless Barrage, and it's still very powerful.
fleet oracle
poseidon was never GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODexceptthatonetime
i wish you could pinball the boss with it
the only reason i dont use it is because you cant
and that makes me sad
charred ruin
so it takes 180 keys to fully upgrade all weapon aspects
let's see how much I have left
turbid needle
Wait, really? How many do you get across five weapons up to 10 Heat? 210?
No, just over 100, right?
I'm bad at math
fleet oracle
plus selling red keys and ambrojias for diamonds and keys
charred ruin
lol i need to earn 117 more keys X_X
fleet oracle
as well as purchasing them in styx
so you can get more
its just, slow sometimes
but im sitting on 51 keys an 23 ambrogias cause the shop wont give me what i want
charred ruin
you gotta keep doing more heat with all weapons, then you get on average 2 per run
actually 2 diamonds are 1 key so 3 overall
fleet oracle
and of course, trade stuff.....if youre lucky with the shop
charred ruin
without trading or buying with gold you unlock all upgrades after finishing 18 heat with all weapons
fleet oracle
nice
charred ruin
18 heat is a lot...
turbid needle
Bounties stop at 10.
charred ruin
oh really?
turbid needle
Yup.
charred ruin
then what do you get for finishing each heat level?
turbid needle
Bragging points.
charred ruin
why not just jump straight to the best you can manage?
turbid needle
And upon 24 Heat you get the third Skelly statue.
Bounties only unlock sequentially.
wary knot
I'm sure they'll add more bounties eventually
charred ruin
but you said after 10 there are no bounties anyway
turbid needle
So you could start at 10 Heat and still only get two keys/diamonds per attempt.
charred ruin
so there's nothing to get from heat 11, 12 etc.
so why not jump straight to heat 40?
turbid needle
You can.
charred ruin
hmm so eventually you run out of ways to get keys except for the 1500 gold ones
turbid needle
Nah, can trade through Wretched Broker.
fleet oracle
10 embrosias for one diamond
two diamonds for one key
20 red keys for one ket
key
etcv'
etc
charred ruin
that's a slow way to get them, if that's the only source
turbid needle
Ambrosia.
fleet oracle
its your last resort, or you can do it as you play heat
charred ruin
i've been using it but it's not there when you need it
fleet oracle
i just grab em when i see em
charred ruin
I guess the fastest way after finishing heat 10 would be to do no heat speedruns and get the diamond/key in the styx shop
fleet oracle
yeah ma boy
just go in with the most overpowered build and beat up some base level scrubs and take their lunch mone
y
charred ruin
I guess I should start planning which weapon aspects aren't worth unlocking, and which ones aren't worth unlocking in level 4 and 5.
fleet oracle
the bull's stupid aoe thing shows up on the ground BEFORE he swings his axe down from the sky. why, i hate being flinched into a second hit like that. the aoe should come AFTER
tawdry jackal
why Bounties dont continue after 10 Heat?
fleet oracle
cause they didnt design that in
fleet oracle
YET
charred ruin
skelly statue is purely for flexing
fleet oracle
its all bragging rights
tawdry jackal
I have 2....
Wish I had the third one
charred ruin
I got mine back then before they change how heat works
with the Ares homing cast BS
but back then getting high heat was less versatile
and less fun
now there are more options to toggle
tawdry jackal
hmmmm I got my first statue in the Beedy Update
the second in the Big Bad Update
maybe I get the third in the SuperStar?
charred ruin
now the aspects and the upgrades should make high heat runs much more doable
tawdry jackal
yeah
back then more heat was almost always more damage/less choices
always making enemies ultra tanky while debuffing ourselves
it was very stresffull
no idea how daddy degrand managed to make so many videos of it
much more doable
charred ruin
limiting the maximum darkness was anti-fun
tawdry jackal
I got Chiron's Bow Aspec up to Legendary today
loving it x33
charred ruin
all boons at normal rarity
tawdry jackal
my favorite no doubt
its so fun XD
i never liked the bow before
maybe i also get to like the Spear... (never scaped with it)
tawdry jackal
well, bow special with athena was good against Spreaders
turbid needle
It does make it really good, though.
tawdry jackal
some people said that you needed to rush behind an enemy and spam special at point-blank for it to be really effective
hard and not always worked
charred ruin
idk i feel like I'm playing shield 3 wrong or something. When I set it loose I can't get it to hit enemies a lot. So far I just used it to apply status effect and for a quick explosive return
tawdry jackal
oh, in the last 2 runs I got Exclusive Acess
I may be getting spoiled with Epic Boons XD
I got one run with Zeus's Shield
my GODS
was that ultra boring
fleet oracle
sits with 3 diamonds cause the diamond for keys option in the shop wont show up
tawdry jackal
and i dont really know how to make chaos' shield be effective
charred ruin
I got 36 diamonds just waiting for be traded
tawdry jackal
WHAT
turbid needle
Guess you're not big on the tunes, then.
fleet oracle
haha, yeah.......there should be a way to list all the trading options there so you can just trade when you have it
charred ruin
No because keys make you stronger to get the next bounties and more keys
tawdry jackal
gosh youre playing A TON
each of my runs are about 35+minutes
abut 2 diamonds per run
36 diamonds are about 17 hours XD
charred ruin
so the music will have to waiit
no i get 3 diamonds per run
because the shop in styx screws me over
and sells diamonds instead of keys
fleet oracle
still better to have em than to not
tawdry jackal
I almost always get Key - Diamond - Key - Diamond
charred ruin
I work hard and come with 1500 for the key, and they offer a diamond instead
fleet oracle
i have enough stuff to trade for keys to upgrade my sword to level 4 here
cmon shop, show some merct
mercy
how often does the ares cast damage things?
charred ruin
I hoarded 26 keys so far and only spent them when I felt I really needed in order to do the next heat level well
like, it was worth spending on the sword cast build
turbid needle
Blade Rifts deal damage every .1 seconds.
charred ruin
did they buff hestia rail? is it good now?
fleet oracle
right with the bow
turbid needle
It can be pretty nutty, novril.
fleet oracle
i just use crit rocket rail
every run, artemis gives me an epic cast, and every run i try to turn it into a heroic cast
charred ruin
rocket hammer power has carried me so far with it. hence why I didn't unlock the other aspects
fleet oracle
and every run i dont get exit wound
what gives
the espect that does more DAMAGE, not just attack damage, is good
just gotta stay in its blast radius
manic ermine
Spear casting hasnt been getting much talk, I hit 1k+ with dio bombs
fleet oracle
nice
with sword cast, i usually get like 8 casts that all hit for like 800 crit damage per cast, with exit wound doing more damage after because of poseidon aspect
and of course, special deflect so i dont get attacked while doing like 140 damage per cast for exit wound
charred ruin
can dio bombs hit bosses that constantly move around?
fleet oracle
last run i got it to do 847 per crit
it was knarly
i wanna try to get chaos stuff and upgrade my sword to see if i can get 1k per crit per cast
i would like to try the shotgun cast or dio cast with spear, though. sounds fun
but honestly, most cast builds are just insane. so much damage
i should try the one with the bow
sometime
charred ruin
Not being able to enforce the casts out of bosses seems like a big limiter now, when playing anything that isn't sword 3
manic ermine
Dio cast respawns bloodstones a lot faster than it takes to dislodge
charred ruin
yeah that i get, but isn't it hard to get it to hit?
fleet oracle
nah
manic ermine
Not really, maybe the furies can be fiddly but the rest are easy
fleet oracle
its like the special on rail
charred ruin
yeah and i hate the rail special
fleet oracle
yeah easier to do so with it
charred ruin
I guess I'll try it. with spear 2 yes?
fleet oracle
not even at the elites on the first biom and already the crit does 610 damage on artemis cast
manic ermine
Yes, achilles
charred ruin
hmm sounds promising considering you only need 1 boon for the build
fleet oracle
for which build
charred ruin
spear 2 special->2 dio casts
stable oyster
@brisk island actually, Hestia aspect deals even more damage per second, because the Hestia shot isn't affected by the attack cooldown caused by your special, meaning you can special and immediately start attacking with no time loss. this is something that is impossible with the other aspects.
you are 1000% right, the other aspects could use a buff
brisk island
@stable oyster yeah - it can create way more damage if it get any attack boon (exclude Dio), still in base variation not possible make more 130 dmg/s - here huge damage spike at start and quick drop. To shot 12 bullets need ~2s, reload takes 1s.
stable oyster
?
with Hestia aspect you can use your special and immediately start shooting
so Hestia is even better then we originally thought
Im agreeing with you
brisk island
@stable oyster l'm not counted special for 1st and 3rd aspect because they don't needed it to activate effect like Eris do.
Btw Eris behind on 0.5s - his main feature not about pure damage from Rail Attack so nevermind. 
charred ruin
What happens if you load dio cast on hera bow? do you get instant dio casts with all the damage benefits?
charred ruin
and you don't even need to upgrade the hera bow since the casts don't get stuck?
wind vale
exactly
charred ruin
oh damn
wind vale
just get that dio cast and you are good
charred ruin
why didn't I think about it sooner
wind vale
then artemis and chaos as well as poms
charred ruin
sounds better than aspect 2 in terms of damage
wind vale
you have to hit
so with mass spread aoe its a bit annoying
or in other words you also need to get something in the bow special for it
charred ruin
like posiedon or something?
covert hatch
I feel like just about every cast save what, Aphro? Is good on Hera bow
charred ruin
but dio casts don't get stuck in there
wind vale
aphro sounds so amazing but it misses so much
but everything should work great id just say dio is best followed by like hunting blades
especially since they dont need anything more than lvl1 aspect
since upgrades do nothing for them
aspect upgrades i mean
charred ruin
what are good boons for hestia rail?
wind vale
probably anything that gives relative damage increases
which all work amazing with shotgun
so artemis,aphrodite,athena
charred ruin
If I take aphro on the attack then which boons are good to apply a 2nd status effect consistently?
dio feels like a waste when you don't stack it
even though it lasts 5 seconds and doesn't need 2 boons
wind vale
yea i often take athena even if her status has no value just to get a 2nd curse
charred ruin
athena needs a 2nd boon though
wind vale
since i want athena anyways i dont mind
like her duo with artemis is still so amazing
and since i want these 3 and hunters mark is not reliable thats kinda it
charred ruin
I guess I'll check this build tomorrow. It sounds interesting to try.
wind vale
have fun with it
manic ermine
Aphrodite misses every second shot on hera bow so you must do one at a time, Ive found poseidon a good choice as all the knockback is aligned with the arrow
charred ruin
If these builds will be good then I'll just have shield to find a super good build for
wind vale
i just do something with ares,aphrodite and athena
always combines somehow
but gets best if i can combine ares and athena dup with it
but then shield builds dont feel as op as the other 3 to me since shield is just a lot safer instead of the damage i get from others
charred ruin
Yeah that's the problem. I can manage with shield just fine but its lacking the "punch" some other weapon builds have.
you don't do much damage AND you gotta stay close to the opponent...
native ether
imo Hestia rail did start to suffer a bit after the spread shot was nerfed. I like the buff to it, though I have no idea if its too strong, I'll have to do some testing.
charred ruin
wouldn't it still be better than the other 2 aspects?
stable oyster
it is still much better then zag, there is a case to be made for eris
native ether
Eris after its huge damage nerf is situational imo
bad? no not really... that great compared to some of the other aspects other weapons have? no not really either
Zagreus Aspect is helpful only for players new to the rail or bad at ammo management
turbid needle
Blanket 60% damage up for 8 seconds is good, I think.
Hestia with 150 base damage is actually pretty good.
tawdry jackal
oh right
there was like
a 50% nerf to all Aspects a day after it launched, right?
I didnt managed to play with any of it before but I remember noticing it but not being sure it happened or not
feels very weak at level 1.. (understandably)
charred ruin
What are the best keepsakes right now (exclusing the gods' ones for finding a specific boon)? I usually find myself using broken spearpoint for stages 3 and 4
turbid needle
They all serve different purposes.
I can't safely say any is "better" than another.
charred ruin
Well some are clearly bad
charred ruin
The casts kill regular enemies anyway so no need to actively remove them
fleet oracle
cause now i gotta fight the boss with this
oh no
oh wow, ok\
this is gonna be an annying fight
oh well. time to use my zues attack, then
never mind, its fine, i three shot the heads
but i gotta say, having this chaos thing during a boss is a new experience because if i panic and forget, imma take some damage then
fleet oracle
i have no clue
turbid needle
They did!
fleet oracle
oh nice
i always took that one cause i always had a deflect
but thats like the only option for it
so im glad they removed it
charred ruin
i didn't know deflect prevents chaos damage
vestal snow
My favourite keepsakes are probably still Pierced Butterfly and Lambent Plume
If you do well in Tarturus, both can give you a huge boost for the rest of the run
fleet oracle
oh, no, i meant like deflect can prevent incoming damage from attacks
so sword special deflects acts as a dodge basically
cause you prevent damage
like a parry
manic ermine
I tend to run egg at the start for epic chaos boons, then purse then whatever defence I need for styx
fleet oracle
skelly tooth
turbid needle
I'll use the Tooth if I'm low on DDs entering Styx.
fleet oracle
i finally got more cast damage from a chaos boon
now my lvl 4 epic artemis cast can crit for 889 damage
is this it, is this another run? i hope i get exit wound this time
charred ruin
I hit some enemies for 1000 with the cast build today. The final boss melted in no time.
fleet oracle
its fun, isnt it?
vestal snow
If my butterfly or plume doesn't work out in Tarturus, I'll usually switch to Coin Purse and then Tooth
fleet oracle
what does plume do?
turbid needle
1.2% movement speed and dodge chance for every chamber cleared before the timer lapses.
It changes from room to room.
vestal snow
Yup
elfin pulsar
plume is my favorite sword boon
charred ruin
dodge chance when you speedrun. The problem is you work to get the buff but the buff doesn't stay if you are forced to switch up, unlike purse
fleet oracle
ive just been using the artemis one for casts. i should use plume sometime
elfin pulsar
getting 20% dodge/ms is super free
can usually do better
especially with some rooms being total freebies
vestal snow
Yeah, usually of I make to the final boss with the Plume I can be at aroubd 25% dodge
elfin pulsar
thats about the same for me, like 20-30%
vestal snow
I had a run recently where I also got both Hermes dodge boons and that was pretty hilarious
After a Call I basicallyw would have 90% dodge
fleet oracle
god, with chaos cast damage, its quite easy to get to 1000 damage on crit cast, isnt it?
i cant wait to upgrade the poseidon sword
i cant wait for the big number to turn into a bigger number
dodge is neat, is there a way to get 100 percent dodge?
elfin pulsar
i think so
fleet oracle
if i do enough rooms with optimal speed, is it possible?
elfin pulsar
im pretty sure u can get the same hermes boon any number of times
not with just the plume
elfin pulsar
but with plume and the hermes boon
fleet oracle
oh dude, so eventually you just dont take damage?
elfin pulsar
i think its possible, unless there is something that specifically prevents u from getting 2 hermes dodge boons
fleet oracle
i kinda wanna see if thats possible
elfin pulsar
yeah I've actually had 60% dodge before with aphro
you can sit and facetank last boss and never die
fleet oracle
my highest was 55, ten on my own plus 45 from call
turbid needle
Haaa.
fleet oracle
oh wow, ok
im excited about my numbers rn
someone said as a joke for me to get 1200 crit damage on cast but i think its very well possible
20% poseidon sword cast damage plus 39% cast damage from a chaos boon with level 6 epic artemis cast and i do 1003 damage per crit.
if i just get 50% on the sword and get the heroic cast with high enough level, i may very well get 1200 damage on crit
how many boons of the goddess of beauty do i need before i get the one giving weakened foes more damage against them?
and does it work with casts
turbid needle
Yes.
Hades is pretty good about being specific with its technical terms.
If it says "damage" it's usually universal. It will specify Attack, Special, Cast, etc.
trim ingot
you just need one of her basic boons - attack/special/dash/cast
fleet oracle
thanks
also i did achieve 1224 damage with the damage increase after using a call boon.......sucks i have no more dd's left on this run
and im down to 20 health
alysium got hectic and i hate shields. i need to get used to the shields cause they trip me up
i wish you could have boons to practice on skelly
manic ermine
Support fire is different https://imgur.com/DMq7tfd
manic ermine
its a flat 15 shot when you hit with anything
fleet oracle
oh, eh
i remember the old days of using the rail with this tho
that was fun
but, 15 damage is still more damage
i wonder how much will change by the release in the second half of 2020
manic ermine
Cruel thrust is up to 200% increased damage and 40% crit
fleet oracle
for spear?
turbid needle
Sword.
fleet oracle
unless the dash attack will eventually count as thrust as well
turbid needle
It will probably not.
fleet oracle
it'd be neat
turbid needle
Like, really obviously broken, to the extent I'm surprised it's being brought up.
manic ermine
Dash already has the double strike hammer
turbid needle
Flurry Blade feels really really good.
fleet oracle
they reduced super nova to 20%, time to cry
my special spam is slightly less spam
yeah, is it good?
ive been a one trick crit pony for a little while now, a week or so, so ive barely touched other builds
manic ermine
Super nova isn't even that special when double nova exists
turbid needle
I have Swift Strike AND Flourish and it's like I'm Yoda from Episode 2.
Super Nova has range which is big.
fleet oracle
you can combine super and double
turbid needle
In importance, not just size.
fleet oracle
and ive done it
it'd be nice if the last weapon was a hammer. hmmm
and yeah, super increase in size is nice. allows me to get dislodge from a safer distance
manic ermine
Elysium pillars doing 1350 damage with shattered shackle
turbid needle
^
fleet oracle
i.......my cast damage being outclassed by a pillar
turbid needle
I suppose if you had an extremely defensive build but had poor offense Shattered Shackle would be worth it in Styx.
fleet oracle
in styx, yeah.....until you get to the final boss
manic ermine
It does help against the solo mino fight
fleet oracle
for sure, maybe if they let you switch keepsakes before that fight specifically, and after styx, id see the value in it
until then, either more damage at range or skelly tooth
ive killed a lot of rats simply from sitting on one side of a wall and destroying it while rats die on the other
the final boss has some pillars, doesnt it?
manic ermine
styx pillars do several 20 damage drops
but they don't respawn so its not very good
fleet oracle
i know when youre fighting just the bull, he has two pillars that respawn
turbid needle
@turbid needle Pressure Points makes it so that all damage you inflict has a chance to deal critical damage. Poison tics, sword attacks, Calls, everything.
that much i had understood
manic ermine
Its effectively ~10% more damage on everything
turbid needle
sorry are you replying to us?
fleet oracle
Wait, so exit wound could be crit damage through pressure point?
And yeah, it basically adds another 10% to whatever crit you already have as well
turbid needle
Yes, Exit Wounds can crit off Pressure Points.
fleet oracle
(Breathes heavily)
Cast crit is 10% as well, and i get crit in those quite often early game, by the end i have more crit, of course. But if exit wound would crit as often as the cast early game, then exit wound would do quite a bit.
That actually sounds pretty neat. I didnt know pressure point gave crit on damage in general
Ares has a boon that increases all damage by 10%, is that any good?
turbid needle
Just Attack, Cast, and Special.
turbid needle
It is, it's also conditionless damage.
fleet oracle
More damage is still more damage, i suppose
stable oyster
I mean the condition is that you give up a boon for it
manic ermine
shame you can't pom support fire, It+zeus+flurry attacks are wonderful
inland pebble
Support Fire on Rail = chef kiss
Oh hey, that's the same build that I did earlier! Melting everything so quickly, and with precision as well!
Time like this is when I wish Hunter's Mark was good. Ugh, the numbers I could pull out of it 
Oh, and Support Fire scales on rarity, too. On Epic, it's 24 instead of 15.
sand timber
Anyone else not a fan of not being able to save in between rooms in Styx? I found it really inconvenient when I had to pause my session today and come back later
vague hearth
I've fallen in love with zeus attack boon rail with zag aspect, attack speed and explosive shots hammer, and support fire
inland pebble
You meant Spread Fire?
Or Explosive Fire?
@vague hearth reading your comment is like a Rail player's Vince McMahon meme 😃😄😆😝🤩
vague hearth
Support fire as in the artemis boon
native ether
Pressure Points seems rather weak to me considering other boons already have much more crit chance, even if for only one specific action? Maybe I'm understanding it wrong
@turbid needle Pressure Points is pretty strong because it includes any and all damage you can do, which includes things like:
- Doom
- Poison ticks
- Deflects
- Exit Wounds
- Lightning Bolts and Chain Lightning
- Rupture effects
- and many more. Its not always strong, but having a decent chance to just crit on everything makes it pretty alright.
woven kindle
Don't forget that sweet sweet crit on aphrodite call
frosty pier
Oh god just imagine a crit from a greater call
what were the the numbers like 2.5k damage with epic one?
woven kindle
2.5k damage with all rarity, not increased by poms either
It's probably the best call at base rarity
proud storm
Than's keepsake further increases that number
frosty pier
The chance was severely stomped((
latent lotus
Does inescapable blast not out compete rocket bomb now?
vestal snow
Pressure Points isn't weak. As long as your build isn't based around a couple of big hits, it's great.
naive cobalt
Pressure points was amazing with hunters mark during big bad
turbid needle
I don't know, last night I was trying with damage repeater boons and it still seemed pretty weak even at like 8% chance
would've rather picked 20% chance boons on special or such
proud storm
pressure points is so good what are you on about
literally gives every single instance of damage you do a chance to crit
charred ruin
I tried hera bow + dio cast. It felt like the best thing you can get for merely 2 keys but it doesn't compare with some of the fully upgraded aspects
wooden spade
Pressure points + hunter’s mark + poison is fun (even if I didn’t win when I tried it)
tacit jetty
I've been trying for Aphrodite+Artemis for that extra crit damage on weakened enemies
lost sigil
that's a nice duo boon
anyone found a use for the duo boon that makes your uncollected bloodstones zap people?
(I am useless with names)
pastel jolt
yes
tormenting poor exalteds with it in elysium by knocking them back into the radius of the zappy
lost sigil
😄
stable oyster
Lightning rod
lost sigil
Do you think there will be any plans to show us visually what buffs we have on ourselves, such as an icon for things like the nova blade special - I know we get a glow/ effect on the character but sometimes it's hard to see amongst the chaos of all your boons and explosions
lost sigil
There also seems to be a bug in Asphodel where your boon slowly works its way from off screen to the top of the map, it can take a while. Apologies if it has already been fedback
errant narwhal
report that with 
!
lost sigil
ah, thank you 🙂
fleet oracle
i got pressure point with exit wound, and i have never been happier than to see my base damage of 140 something exit wound crit on the final boss
it happens often enough
with 8 casts, it increases the cast crit by 10
percenty
which i nice
but the 8 casts also have a chance on crit for the exit wound and its really nice
i also got the boon that increases crit damage by like 39% or so, and i gotta say. poseidon aspect sword cast build is so fun and strong
lost sigil
I feel like you need too many specific boon combinations to make it viable
fleet oracle
its all artemis stuff
fleet oracle
only two. pressure point, and whatever you want that damage on
when you've done like 15 artemis runs and youve gotten the artemis boons you needed everytime
for an artemis cast build, getting the cast is super easy
its really common
and you only need that
lost sigil
Do you not need the quick reload to make it work better too? that makes the cast stones drop from foers quicker
fleet oracle
cause with an artemis cast, 20% bonus from poseidon aspect sword and 39% cast damage from chaos, i did 1224 per cast crit
dude, poseidon aspect on sword makes your enemies drop them automaticall when hit by the special
fleet oracle
chaos gave me more damage on cast
lost sigil
my bad
fleet oracle
oof
lost sigil
Interesting I will give it a try nex ttime sword is ont he 10% rotation 🙂
currewntly running a dio and aphro build with nova sword
fleet oracle
oof, i have 3k darkness, not used right now cause everything else is maxed and i need three keys for the reroll mirror thing
lost sigil
they increment by 1k
fleet oracle
and i wanna upgrade the hera bow and poseidon sword as well as aspect 2 sword as well
lost sigil
i currently need 3k, it's just a darkness dump for the rerolls, i don't know what it stacks up to
fleet oracle
but yeah man. artemis cast build doesnt need too many specific boons. if you get the cast and upgrade it, thats already damage in the 800s at least by the time you upgrade it and all
and anything else is bonus
the poseidon aspect gives 50% more cast damage on max level
lost sigil
I gues a nice touch on your build would be the hermes recall legendary 😄
fleet oracle
meh
lost sigil
zero effort to pick them back up
fleet oracle
i like rapid fire, exit wound, pressure point
the recall is nice, but easy to ignor
since i have to use my special to do more damage, exit wound with crit with pressure point, to collect them anyway, being close isnt a terrible thing
but 140 base damage per cast for exit wound, for 7 or so casts is strong. its good. i got that before i got to the furies and it melted the furies, my guy
i would highly recomend this build, you get high damage easily and can save up tons of obol for keys or diamonds in styx
but if you dont care for that, do whatever you have fun with, my guy
charred ruin
Tried doing achilles spear with dio cast. Didn't work very well. Died at the last boss. It's hard to hit with the cast and then there's too much dead time in between
fleet oracle
play around with boon combinations on it.
maybe you'll find something good to go with it
little bit of experimentation goes a long way
devout vector
does the bonus damage i get from the butterfly remain after I equip another keepsake?
devout vector
ook ty
wicked spire
Hey, hello, I have a question about the Skull Earring, I haven't been able to unlock it. I know you get it by giving a gift to Meg however even if she appears in the House of Hades after a run she's talking to somebody else and all I can do is listen and after that interaction I can't give her anhything, it's the only keepsake I'm missing and I don't now if this is normal and will eventually be able to talk to her or what. I bought the game on june, played for a while starter figuring things out, miss a couple of updates and then came back. It was until this last major update that I started getting into collecting the keepsakes, don't now if that could have anything to do with my problem(?).
pastel jolt
you can give her a gift next time
it's always been the case that if two characters are talking to each other, you can't gift either of them that time
wicked spire
I will double check that, guess I could have missed that. Thank you 
naive cobalt
Im glad that supporting fire is back
Got it on a flurry fire swift strike rail run.
Wasnt incredibly powerful, but it was fun to look at
fleet oracle
so, quick question about hera's bow
does it scale with both cast AND attack?
the attack does its thing and cast at the same time? or how does it work
fleet oracle
nevermind, it just fires after, so upgrading both attack and cast is the way to go with this build
i gotta say its pretty rad, but not being able to force the casts to dislodge is weird. i imagine its less so once i upgrade the hera bow to 5 anyway
charred ruin
or you use dio cast
fleet oracle
nah
artemis cast still gives me too much damage for that to be worth it
either way, after i upgrade hera bow it will only be like a couple of seconds before they dislodge anyway
and i must say, being able to get all my casts into one enemy at once is fun
just, so much health, gone
summer canopy
I only just got the Skull Earring, I had the same problem of not being able to catch her alone in the house of hades. Finally got her after 22ish escape attempts. It's not impossible but it is inconvenient
fleet oracle
youre usually able to catch her the first few times you beat her quite easily
she only starts being social later on
so im surprised you didnt catch her until now
summer canopy
Probably just didn't have ambrosia during that first timeframe ;-;
elfin pulsar
i think aphro has the highest damage %
ares is cool because the bow can be pretty slow but u can get so many % damage modifiers from hammers that I think its a bit of a waste
fleet oracle
yeah, not a fan of ares in general, except his cast sometimes
right now i have the artemis cast, on the hares bow, ofc, doing 1003 damage per crit, its great, but i only have 3 casts cause im not that lucky, and critical attack as well as double shot, so i do like 500 per crit attack on top of the casts. its a really powerful weapon, i must say
i guess i can add the bow to my weapons for casts builds
ive heard people talking about spear casts because of the more damage after dash special, but is that worth it? without a faster dislodge?
cause even the bow has a short timer on the dislodge, especially after upgrades
drowsy plover
How do people feel about the Achilles Aspect for the spear? I saw a feedback about it being bad, but I'd found it to be incredibly useful.
imo it's transformed the spear into a more aggressive and mobile weapon, you can initiate spin attack charging while dashing to your spear, it seems to even pre-charge the spin during your dash if you hold the button (I need further testing tho, I had the quick spin hammer)
It also seems you can apply status effects by pulling yourself through enemies.
The only downsides to me are having no non-dash way to get your spear back, if you threw it into lava or a trap, and multi-skewer making your dash unpredictable.
wind vale
one tip about the ambrosia gifting - sometimes it is possible to go into your room and back to the main hall and 2 characters are not in a conversation anymore and can maybe be found alone and you can gift them iirc
also about the achilles aspect - its good for a cast build so i finally have something to do with the spear
drowsy plover
I've mostly played with the shield so it helps me adopt a similar mobile playstyle
wind vale
really like the cast builds coming this patch - dio with hera, hunting blades (or some others with achilles and dislodge with poseidon(even if i usually get a too good special spam build if i go for that and technically would do more damage that way)
turbid needle
Bumble, you can recall the spear normally now.
Make sure you have the latest patch.
wind vale
oh yea attack recalls the spear and special teleports you its nice and im safe to use hunting blades 🙂
drowsy plover
oop, thanks Zagreoose!
I guess that invalidates the "pre-charge spin attack" while teleporting
turbid needle
Could always try anyway, but it might input buffer, yeah.
drowsy plover
ah yeah, tried it 😦 still, couldn't be sure if it was just quick-charge doing it's job well
fleet oracle
I was mostly asking about cast builds with the spear
The spear on its own is fine, imo
But the damage boost applies to cast as well so im wondering of its good
Even though not being able to force a sooner dislodge is kinda a weekness
And yeah. They should make attack dash to it and special retrieve it, or vice versa
fleet oracle
But if hunting and dio the only ones good with it, then ill stick with poseidon sword and hera bow or a while before i do an ares or dio cast run
But hey, now i have a cast build to use with spear, so thanks dude
fleet oracle
Eh
wind vale
as in their duo
fleet oracle
Ah
Then yeah i guess
Its just with spear, your best dislodge option is the one that tales like 7 seconds
But the trade off is a boon
Since sword forces them and hera bow makes the them hecka low
wind vale
i dont really mind
fleet oracle
So i wont be using artemis crit with spear
wind vale
and since you already want artemis to boost casts anyways that faster dislodge is not as bad to get
fleet oracle
Yeah but it wont be usefull with dio ir ares cast
So ill just do ares and dio for spear
wind vale
yea i keep dio for bow
fleet oracle
Crit bow is still pretty good
I did a crit cast crit attack bow run earlier, the first bow run ive done in a while and i beat it
Crit attack with twin arrow did like 500 crit damage per arriw with 1003 damage per crit cast
wind vale
i bet it ok but dio is really broken with it
fleet oracle
How much damage is dio cast hera bow?
wind vale
i got it to about 1k per charge i think
wind vale
but i had lots of buffs
fleet oracle
Then thats like the same as crit
Cause thats what my crit cast did per cast, and then the twin arrow did like 500 each as well
wind vale
and i could crit but very low chance from pressure points
fleet oracle
That extra crit chance might make it worth it
wind vale
the second cast following the first from artemis was amazing
so i oneshot most armored with only 1 charge
fleet oracle
But i really like crit with hera bow. It allows my sevene or so casts to instantly go into my target, doing around 1k per cast
And then of course attack damage
I really wish i had exit wound with it
Exit wound has been harder to et for me recently
fleet oracle
Not like i need it with all that damage anyway, lol. But its just nice extra damage
And has a chance to crit with pressure point
wind vale
still like i said before - since i had artemis i got her special and that did so much damage itself i didnt need exit wounds
stilll a bit extra damage vs some bosses
fleet oracle
My goal is to see how much damage i can get per combo is all.
Cast all casts with rapid fire, come in with special to prock exit wound
Similar with bow, you just wait a fee sec. for exit wound instead of procking it
fleet oracle
Yeee
It’s be funny if the bosses didnt have those moments of invulnerability thats procked by health percentage. Just one shots a boss
charred ruin
Chiron's bow+aphro special+unhealthy fixation. The final boss was constantly charmed and barely got to finish what he wanted to do. lol
charred ruin
Just finished heat 5 with all weapons. 1500 gold runs are getting really hard with some weapons... Lots of tough decisions to make on the way.
plush pond
how does artemis attack crit work with the nemesis sword? Are there two separate crit chances or do they stack or what?
native ether
@fallen wind For me it's not too much of a bother to double tap the button to bring up aspects. Bringing up an aspect immediately could also be potentially confusing for a UI introduction, and if I wanna run the same aspects I was running last run, just forces me to close another UI.
(for your feedback on the UI)
tacit jetty
@plush pond Oh they stack like pancakes my friend
plush pond
huh, thanks. That seems like it could get quite good. Also kind of makes me wish there was a stats page in game that showed things like total dmg and crit chance (unless there already is and I'm dumb)
fallen wind
@native ether Do you often run the same weapon over and over? I usually pick whatever the Darkness boost is on which means I haven't run the same weapon more than twice in a row probably since I unlocked the Bow nearly a year ago
(Also, thanks for the response, @native ether ) 🙂
vagrant hearth
Well, that was interesting. I killed the Hydra's main head early (between the 4 and 6-headed phases) via an aphrodite greater call. The 6-head phase still came out, but with no music.
native ether
I run the rail repeatedly in a row :p
Since I have nearly all the darkness unlocks, I dont really care much about the boosted darkness but it is a nice way to randomize your weapon
vagrant hearth
If you equip the Plume or Butterfly and then change keepsakes between biomes, do you keep the bonus you've accumulated?
vagrant hearth
oof
i'm not really good enough to clear that fast past tartarus or go without getting hit in elysium, so maybe i'd better stick to the acorn/spearpoint
fleet oracle
dude, youll get used to it. as you get better, if you get what you need from level 1, you can take it level two and see what you can do with it
native ether
i dont use butterfly just cause I find the tradeoff of 30-40% extra damage isnt worth the lack of flexibility in your keepsake
drowsy plover
does the 12% damage boost from standing in your own explosion from Railgun translate to cast damage?
I'm thinking about what we already have and how it's useable for cast centric builds. Sword & Bow are obvious.
Spear can use Achilles aspect to boost cast damage after dash
Railgun's Eris can self-buff for 12%+ damage including casts (this could be fun with Dio Cast and triple bombard)
Shield has nothing in the way of cast synergy that is immediately obvious, it has a new projectile option & Zeus shield might be neat alongside Ares casts lmao.
vestal snow
Died just a few hits away from killing Hades on my last run. What a bummer
Such a good combo too - Eris sword, Artemis attack, Aphrodite special, Heartrend
tacit jetty
I've been going for that same combo recently on a couple different weapons, haven't gotten it to work on sword (mostly because of bad luck) but it's ridiculous with the Chiron Bow
light nova
I can't say for myself because i did 120 heat runs too many times so i'll ask you. Did game become easier after last patch? I don't ask about 0 heat runs, only about 60-120 before and 12-24 heat now.
turbid needle
It kinda feels like Heat got a little easier. I'm still having trouble beating the game on 10 Heat with the Rail and Sword, my two best weapons, but normal plays, or low Heat, do feel just a bit more forgiving.
manic ermine
Tight deadline is too easy for the heat it gives I feel, only on really weak runs does it ever become an issue