h1-builds-and-combat

[wind vale]

but its kinda luck based with all currencies

[fleet oracle]

i know

sometimes i can trade 20 red keys for one purple, other times i gotta do a run before it pops up

[wind vale]

yea im trying to spend all that ambrosia myself

just got so many i cant use

but also a bit too much darkness

[fleet oracle]

embrosia for red keys, red keys for purple

good ol exchange rates

[wind vale]

i never thought i would be short on normal keys again before the update

but its looking like it now

i had like 250 spare before and 120 ambrosia and see myself running out of keys soonish

[fleet oracle]

the moment i get home imma grab my mouse and keyboard cause that the only way i can properly use the special on rail for the aspect 2

[wind vale]

2?

[fleet oracle]

second aspect, as apposed to standard, or the third aspect

you know, second one down

number 2

the one that isnt the first

[wind vale]

oh the buff one

[fleet oracle]

yeah

without a self cast button on controllers, its hard to utilize it without literally stopping for 2 seconds to aim it or dashing into the enemy it automatically cast it on due to auto aim being pretty much neccessary on rail on controller

[wind vale]

im finding myself not using the gun special at all anymore even tho i only play mouse and keyboard

tried the rockets with triple shot already and it doenst feel amazing 😦

[fleet oracle]

i enjoy it, it would just be more fun on controllers with the self cast. on m/kb its no issue at all really

[naive cobalt]

I think I'm ready to admit that the pierced butterfly isnt terrible

[fleet oracle]

yeah man

by asphodel i managed to get like 40% more damage

its neat

[wind vale]

it sure is good but i usually prefer to shape my runs instead

just more fun to me

[fleet oracle]

nah. lady luck carries me through my boons,

and i just grab that damage, or i grab the egg and try to get as much gold as possible for that key/diamond in styx

but if i just want to beat a run to get loot, i definitly shape it

the final boss isnt a push over, to me at least, and i need to be at my best to kill him

[wind vale]

its not just for loot tho i always try to get gold boosts early now

only real reason i dont mind poseidon as much anymore for now 🙂

[fleet oracle]

i never use poseidon

[wind vale]

its fun but still fails vs bosses mostly

[fleet oracle]

thats why

cause my struggle lies with bosses

i only get poseidons stuff after i have all my other boon spaces filled out to get some extra loot or maybe, a duo, if im lucky

[wind vale]

but clearing every normal room with just dashing is kinda hillarious

also i dont mind his call generally

and cast is also ok

[fleet oracle]

yeah its fine

leabes you invulnerable which is nice. but ares and the deflection one do the same

[wind vale]

ares just isnt the same anymore since it got nerfed (with the hunting blades stuff)

damage feels too low unless i go all the way to get the legendary

which is too rare

[fleet oracle]

poseidon, ares, and the godess of fertility, i avoid all three typically

[wind vale]

and athena is kinda ok now that its buffed but you really need a good attack you always need to use for it to be better

i avoid zeus, poseidon and often dionysus

[fleet oracle]

why zues? he melts

[wind vale]

hes weak

[fleet oracle]

haha

sure

[wind vale]

or did you mean only the call?

[fleet oracle]

no

its really good on the rail

melts bosses and rooms

[wind vale]

zeus is always the worst choice

[fleet oracle]

no, thats poseidon

[wind vale]

the only build i really want zeus for is poseidon

[fleet oracle]

seems like you may just not be utilizing zues right

[wind vale]

rail fast fire with poseidon on attack and their duo

zeus on attack alone just isnt good enough

[vale sphinx]

Have you seen Zeus special on bow?

[wind vale]

yea its weak

[fleet oracle]

rally? isnt good enough? you're definitly arent utilizing zues on rail very well than

[naive cobalt]

I think Zeus special on bow is worse than Artemis special in almost every situation

[wind vale]

yea

[fleet oracle]

bows are only good for one thing, the main attack

and collecting dust

[wind vale]

the new aspect says otherwise

[naive cobalt]

:v

[main haven]

don't suppose anyone's had hestia rail with the infinite ammo buff?

how do those mix? do you still get the bonus to each shot, or nah?

[fleet oracle]

i never get infinite ammo

[wind vale]

also always before special was either utility or amazing for poison/doom

i never want it

[fleet oracle]

i always opt it out for more damage or better attacks

[wind vale]

was kinda hoping they would have removed infinite ammo with the zagreus aspect but sadly no

[fleet oracle]

since you can dash right after reload, and dont ahve to stand still the ENTIRE time, reloading is a lot more bearable

or they can make zagreus aspect something else, something usefull

[finite grail]

I like zagreus aspect with the fire rate upgrade

[fleet oracle]

i feel the same way about the base bow aspect. making the window for true shot larger makes the weapon slightly easier for new players but doesnt add anything really

[wind vale]

but the 2 weapons have nice aspects at least

the not zagreus ones i mean

[fleet oracle]

they all have nice aspects, its just a few of them are kinda unnecessary.

removing either infinite ammo and the 6+ bullets on the hammer upgrades, or zagreus aspect on rail would be a good choice. one or the other

and making the bows first aspect something useful would be nice too

[wind vale]

flurry fire is great

[fleet oracle]

yeah man

more dps

always a good thing

im over here, just waiting for new aspects and weapon, just wondering what they could be

so excited

[wind vale]

infinite ammo one could be more like a machine gun mod for it instead and that would be nice

[gloomy scroll]

I gotta say, zag aspect spear feels weirdly strong despite not having tried the others

[fleet oracle]

achiles one is nice

[wind vale]

its fun to use to run away and buff my casts but im sure that will get old quickly

[fleet oracle]

i regret getting the caster aspect sword. coulda used it to upgrade its other aspect

its just not my kinda playstyle

[wind vale]

i mean that is kinda the bit older standard sword bulild

before the special spam got so strong

but the poseidon aspect just feels too strange to be useful

[fleet oracle]

theres also the bayblade shield. the only shield i like because i can still do shield stuff while using my special

[wind vale]

i mean it cant buff the dislodge damage which is the clear idea to go

[fleet oracle]

it buffs the cast damage though

and getting several lodged in something for the dislodge damage is still pretty good

its just special spam is easier to build

since dislodge and more casts are both kinda high in the tier pool

[wind vale]

i mean they reduced the number of casts you get a lot

[fleet oracle]

that too

but doing like 140 damage a pop and having ten coulda been, uh, how do i say, rediculous

[wind vale]

like chaos only giving +1 at a time, artemis first not getting buffed by pom, then going legendary

then the damage lowered so much 😦

[fleet oracle]

yep

theres that healthy middle you gotta find

but havng those really weird but super good builds is what makes the luck so fun as well. you COULD get a really strong base damage buff, or you could get the special that gives you crits for your crits so you can crit extra when you crit as well as set up the next crit

[wind vale]

except hunters mark shouldnt work it seems...

[fleet oracle]

oh?

[wind vale]

like the repeated nerfs

[fleet oracle]

right

[wind vale]

making it disappear on crits again

[fleet oracle]

nerfs are always less fun then just buffing everything else

[wind vale]

nah just not this way

[fleet oracle]

i feel ya

[wind vale]

could have nerfed it a lot on aoe for example

the idea of it is amazing for single target attacks

like a nice form to make the gameplay a bit more active

wow now im really torn - its only the mini boss fight in tartarus and aphrodite offers me heroic special on sword special build - got hammer for it already , 83% from chaos and currently artemis heroic on it

(also its lvl 2 already 🙂

the rest of her offers are bad

really not sure but i guess ill take it

[waxen moss]

Heya. Anyone know a good place to read up on builds etc?

[lost rose]

Reddit, probably. You can also just ask what people's favorite builds are here

there's no static resource, though, because the game changes so much

[wind vale]

the hades gamepedia is good to check which boons require what

[deep vault]

I'm a big fan of taking a god's keepsake and then just seeing what else comes along the way

[waxen moss]

Alrighty. Reason why I'm asking is because I have a hard time finding a build that is both fun and effective. I did a ranged zues sword build and finished the game for the first time yesterday, but I can't say that I enjoyed the build much. The most fun one I've done is a pushback build with the shield, but it seems to really be weak vs bosses, especially Hades in the end.

[wind vale]

other than that its often to just combine things sort of logically or just aiming for duo boons

[pastel jolt]

i mean, the easiest way to find out is just try lots of different things

[unkempt pagoda]

had a really good hera bow run with hunting blades/fully loaded/burst cast

[wind vale]

with logically i mean take relative damage increases for hard hitting attacks and static for quick

[pastel jolt]

a build that i find fun might not be so fun to someone else

[wind vale]

or easy stuff like that

[unkempt pagoda]

originally i had athena cast but ares gave me an exchange and i kinda ran with it

[waxen moss]

@pastel jolt oh for sure, but I feel like I've tried a bunch of different builds. I just want to try to find ones that are actually good with weapons I don't really enjoy using, such as the bow and the gun.

[wind vale]

or like i said - look up the duo boons available(and their requirements) and see if that could create something interesting

because they are usually really strong

[waxen moss]

@stuck fox Alrighty! gonna check the gamepedia right now

[deep vault]

Bow might work well with Ares for standard attack and then try to see if you can get some things that just line up

[wind vale]

or with ares for special to use as room clear

[waxen moss]

Any suggestions for gun builds?

[wind vale]

depends what you want to play

[waxen moss]

I just really wanna try something that make me enjoy the gameplay of the weapon, because I feel like I SHOULD enjoy it.

same goes with the bow

[deep vault]

I had a gun build that one me with Dionysus on special and the triple grenade from the hammer

[wind vale]

like fast firing or shotgun or special focus

[unkempt pagoda]

if you're good at aiming, i quite like artemis heavy slug for a sniper build

[waxen moss]

I like the shotgun one haha

[wind vale]

same here

[waxen moss]

it's one that I found myself actually really enjoying

I have good aim, really, but I don't care much for slow timing type gameplay.

[wind vale]

really like it with artemis

[waxen moss]

Not saying that there's anything wrong with it - I'm just not drawn to it.

[unkempt pagoda]

it's not really that slow, just keep using dash attacks

[deep vault]

Sniper? I never had that upgrade option

[unkempt pagoda]

the game doesn't really give you much breathing room for actual slow gameplay regardless

[wind vale]

wasnt sniper removed this update?

or am i imagining things?

it was called heavy slug, right?

[unkempt pagoda]

was it?

dang, i liked it

[waxen moss]

Which weapons would you guys suggest for like, massive AoE damage that still will do pretty well vs bosses.

[wind vale]

• The following upgrades are no longer offered: Empowering Nova (Blade), Mirage Flight (Shield), Heavy Slug (Rail), and Invigorating Blast (Rail); their spirits live on in some of the new Weapon Aspects

so yea its gone but wasnt that amazing anyways

[unkempt pagoda]

RIP heavy slug

[wind vale]

sword special spam is easy but huge damage if stacked enough

[pastel jolt]

i liked heavy slug

[stark lintel]

it is by far better than the melee

easy mode and easy to stack the damage

[waxen moss]

Yeah I found the sword to be very effective. But I was hoping to try to beat the game with a weapon other than that one, given that it is the only weapon I have beaten the game with so far ^^

[wind vale]

oh bow special can be good just have to figure out a balance

[stark lintel]

it's kinda dumb how the kit doesn't have any movesets or anything, if you min-max then you are basically going to spam one thing over the other

[deep vault]

try the first aspect of the bow

it has you use both

[stark lintel]

with occasional use of maybe cast like zeus bolt or dash on weak mobs

[wind vale]

gun either fast fire or shotgun does it well especially if you also get explosive fire with it

[stark lintel]

minigun is ok with poison

[wind vale]

and the slow aim also but you said you dont like it

[stark lintel]

once i got weak + explosive + chance to charm on weak on it

basically it's either super fast stuff with poison or massive aoe dmg that is super easy to boost for high dps

anything in-between is suboptimal, like even sword melee

[waxen moss]

Okay, decided on the gun. Now to find a boon that fits it ^^

[stark lintel]

just riskier and it will end up doing less damage and is harder to execute

[wind vale]

fast fire poison on attack is nice(needs a second curse from elsewhere to be great), shotgun with like artemis

[waxen moss]

okay

shotgun artemis it is then 😄

[stark lintel]

the minigun special is way better with mouse and keyboard, shame the cursor is still small on large monitors though

[waxen moss]

I'll try that out tomorrow. Now however the bed calls me.

[wind vale]

i recommend after artemis aiming for athena and aphrodite

[waxen moss]

which is the minigun special?

[wind vale]

these 3 combine realy well

[waxen moss]

Okay, will do!

[stark lintel]

or well i haven't played since the patch, but isn't it the mortar

with the mini*

[waxen moss]

gonna try what @wind vale suggested. Cheers mate!

[wind vale]

np

[shell trout]

I want different armor/skins for zag.

[charred ruin]

The more i play the more aphrodita feels auto-pick as the attack/special boon right now. Even after they'll weaken the damage buff, weak is great vs the bosses. Currently trying to find powerful and consistent builds that can beat the last boss while also hoarding 1500 gold on the way.

And so far the best build for Railgun for me is aspect #1 + rocket hammer power + Aphrodite on attack or special + (ideally) 3 specials hammer power. Aspect 2 doesn't activate at all with the rocket explosion btw.

[autumn tapir]

huh I've seen rocket as underpowered, I'll have to try it with triple special

[naive cobalt]

Heroic heartbreak strike lv. 2 is truly incredible

I think a huge part of why her attack is so good is just the free status affliction. It makes getting privileged status very easy with your special or cast.

My fav build currently is heartbreak strike and blight flourish (or vice versa, depending on the weapon). It's just an immediate privileged status, racking up tons and tons of damage. Plus their duo boon that adds like +3 blightwine stacks makes it even better.

Also, I too am a huge fan of the rocket.

I don't even need the triple bomb to appreciate it. Putting poseidon on it with razor shoals, sea storm, jolted, and swift flourish is super fun to me.

[charred ruin]

How is rocket underpowered? It's like spear's explosive shot and explosive shot is nice. It has some cooldown but it's better than regular rail special IMO.

[naive cobalt]

In Styx, I find it often clips into the collision behind me, which is unfortunate.

But it's not like the default is much better in Styx anyways

[charred ruin]

Privileged is why I like dio on the rail attack and aphro on the rockets. 2 boons alone and the build is pretty much ready, then I can sell other boons to get to 1500.

[native ether]

Rocket is hard to aim imo. That's why I don't find it incredibly helpful.

If it had some native homing like the cast, I think it would be perfect.

[charred ruin]

hmm toggle aim assist on if you play on a pad

[native ether]

It's not even pad. I play KBM and that thing is hard to land.

[charred ruin]

what

[naive cobalt]

It's too bad that there's no way to practice it outside of an attempt

[charred ruin]

it shoots where the mouse is at. it's pretty accurate

[native ether]

That's not the problem. The hitbox requires pinpoint accuracy.

[charred ruin]

it's exactly like explosive shot

[native ether]

Something neither the rail or the bow primaries require because they have a "snap" aim assist and a line targeting reticle which helps you before firing.

Rocket doesn't have any of that. I think I'd actually find rocket worth taking every time if it had some aiming like the bow does (where you see the travel path on the ground) and if it's hitbox was a bit bigger so it didn't miss small targets seemingly all the time.

[charred ruin]

you can put the mouse cursor right on the enemy sprite and you'll hit every time

and the bosses are big and they stand in place and let you shoot them

[native ether]

I mean duh but imo "just place the mouse on the target" is a poor reason for not offering something like a line that follows the path of the rocket before you shoot (like Heavy Slug or Bow Primary)

It's difficult for me as well to see my cursor at times given it blends into the background and I play on 3820 resolution (which makes it very small)

[deep vault]

I had a cool combo with rupture and blight

[native ether]

The other reason I don't like the rocket is... Well honestly it doesn't blend in with the aspects very well. Eris works better with the targeted one for smart positioning (and your rocket base damage is higher) and Hestia, you want Explosive Fire and Spread Fire/Flurry Fire.

Rocket is fun to use but it's got these little quirks that mildly irritate me, and it doesn't really setup well with the Aspects.

[deep vault]

Also a great privilege combo is Aphrodite and ares plus their duo

[opaque merlin]

Rupture feels very underwhelming to me, except in that it sets up Privileged Status

[naive cobalt]

Yeah I feel that

[deep vault]

It's interesting vs the final boss bc they move a lot

[naive cobalt]

Everytime I grab razor shoals, I'm just thinking about the privileged status

Never "oh yeah, ruptured damage is gonna stack af"

[deep vault]

Prolly against a fury as well but you usually don't have advanced boons at that point

[naive cobalt]

Asterius too

[native ether]

I still maintain Low Tolerance is the best build for abusing Privileged Status.

[deep vault]

At least I don't

[native ether]

Poison + Weak. It's the easiest 2 debuffs to get and apply in the game, and with Low Tolerance you do some incredibly high constant damage.

[naive cobalt]

Agree

[deep vault]

Weak plus cursed is great when you have weak on standard attack and the duo because the weak just procs the curse all the time

[naive cobalt]

I think the first time I beat Theseus was with that

Before they temporarily took it out of the game

[opaque merlin]

I had a very satisfying run with Chaos Aspect shield recently that was all Doom. By the Hades fight, I had Dooms popping for 600+

[deep vault]

Oof

[naive cobalt]

Wow!

[deep vault]

Did you have doom on special?

[opaque merlin]

Yeah, epic doom on special, epic impending doom, and the one that increases doom damage when it's reapplied

I don't think I even had a boon on my standard attack at all, the way the RNG played out

[deep vault]

Oh boy

I often want that combo but the rngods are usually not that merciful

[opaque merlin]

But I did have the special boon and the impending doom at like level 6

I'm still waiting to do that same build but on Chiron bow

[charred ruin]

I wonder if I should put keys into sword aspect 2 or 3. I like 3 but it really needs you to run into the "cast crystals do damage when they come out" artemis boon

[opaque merlin]

I picked that one and then got an Ares + Dionysus seed. Bad times

[native ether]

3 is great if you have a strong cast. You can just special them and spam cast damage again.

Casts usually have some of the highest damage in the game, so being able to fire technically unlimited casts is pretty strong.

[deep vault]

I said it before put Poseidon sword plus Artemis casts ist incredibly strong

Plus all the other Artemis cast bonuses, full ammo and exit wounds

One special with 6 stones in the enemy can deal a good 1200 damage

If you have the hermes boons where stones fly faster and return to you automatically its just dummy strong

[fleet oracle]

Goes to fight the final boss. Sees a white circle around final boss before attack. Thinks “ok, dodge this, thats where it will be”. Final boss dashes at the player. The player proceeds to dislike the final boss ever so slightly for how disingenuous the animation thats supposed to let you know where the attack will be.

[turbid needle]

that sweep is always brutal

[native ether]

Artemis Cast is just likely the best cast atm

Highest damage by a long shot

Although here's something I'm really interested in. How does Hunting Blades work with Hera Aspect?

[wind vale]

thats still dionysus

and hunting blades just start on the target

[turbid needle]

I kinda like the dionysus with the hera aspect

[deep vault]

What does festive fog do these days? I rember picking it when it was released and was not really pleased with it

[fleet oracle]

The sweep is oddly choreographed. Of the animation isnt an accurate summation of where the sweep will be, why bother putting it in in the first place. Rarely catches me off guard, but when it does it feels like the game is just taking a crap on me for the sake of doing so. Kinda like how the bull changes directions mod air of where you will dash

[wind vale]

fog sometimes stuns a bit

but the thing is dionysus cast has insane base damage

[native ether]

Artemis can crit now though, hence why I think hers is better. Also doesn't cover your screen in blinding fog, and with the right aspect buffs, that crit chance becomes absolutely busted.

[deep vault]

Bullrushes are literally the worst if you are a skittish player like me

[fleet oracle]

Guess ill just stick to my rail melt build where i can stay a acreen away from the boss and do atonna damage

[native ether]

Casts are also the best choice for poms. They benefit the most off poms. Stack 1-3 poms on an Artemis and you have 600 damage crits and still have access to Boiling Blood.

[fleet oracle]

I dont like the small fore chariots. Pain in the but for sword players

[native ether]

You can run them into walls as well to detonate them.

[deep vault]

The little exploding ones, yeah I hate them too

[fleet oracle]

I am aware. But it can be annoying when they decide not to run into the wall

[deep vault]

And the weird butterfly orbs

[turbid needle]

is it only me hating how hestia aspect doesn't work with any hammer LUL ?

[fleet oracle]

And also when theres 15 at once

[deep vault]

When there are three of them and
The butterflies
Don't
Stop6

[fleet oracle]

Yeah. Thats when i decide “im done” and start using op rail and bow builds cause i get sick of dealing with them

Oh well, There’s not a game in existence where i like EVERY enemy

[wind vale]

i like butterfly balls :S

[fleet oracle]

Like dogs in bloodborne, its best to just shoot the stupid things instead of melee

[deep vault]

Borbs are endearing but especially the boss can be a pain

And when the final boss gets one out it takes an eternity to dispose

[manic ermine]

I really dont see the appeal of artemis cast, less damage than aphro, dio and athena and no aoe

[fleet oracle]

People like crit, i guess

[autumn tapir]

it does a lot of damage with crits

[low patio]

Did you hear about our Lord and Savior Chiron's Bow + Poseidon Special?

With it and some additional knockback Boons I turned Hades into a pinball game

It was pure joy

[native ether]

bing bing bong?

[low patio]

That's mostly what the final boss said before dying yes

11/10 would play again

[native ether]

I definitely wanna try Hera Bow + Hunting Blades

[low patio]

Achilles' Spear + Passing Through by Hermes is also a veeery nice combo

[solid solar]

oh yes

finally beat hades with all weapons

god sword is the worst

[inland pebble]

Sword is the *best. Take that back! /said all the speedrunner

[turbid needle]

because every other weapon has ranged way of killing hades

so you don't have to go that much into face...

even though I'm in face with every single weapon...

yes, even bow

[inland pebble]

Yeah, and we have that 'ranged way' on sword that's called "cast". 🤔
That's why the new Poseidon Sword is a thing now

Okay, could some Hera Bow guys explain to me the appeal of Hera Aspect? Because right now I don't see the obvious benefits yet.

[turbid needle]

huge ass burst

stick the dionysus cast, fully load... shoot the target in the general direction

see it gone

FOREVER

[inland pebble]

So basically a build-in Hermes Cast upgrade in the bow?

[turbid needle]

exactly

Dionysus is special exception for me though

[inland pebble]

Ah... and now I realise why I don't see the appeal 🤦‍♂️😑

[turbid needle]

because it does a lot of aoe damage, utility and is generally helping you with aiming since you don't have to deal with lobbing grenade

I'm not exactly liking that the game is bugged in the hera aspect matter

and it actually is worst idea to try to do artemis even to it makes perfect sense

to do so

btw. Chaos shield feels pretty damn strong with Dionysus and explosive return

[inland pebble]

Does Explosive Return only trigger with the main shield? 🤔

[turbid needle]

sadly, yes

[inland pebble]

It's always strong anyway. But it would be broke if it stacks.

[vestal snow]

Sword is the best. Don't insult the sword

[inland pebble]

The only problem I have with the Bow right now is that my fave Zues Special doesn't work properly on Chiron Bow (it only activates once, instead of per arrow. So right now I have to use Sea Storm Special on Chiron Bow instead).
Also Hera's Cast drop time seems to not stack with Artemis's Cast drop boon. 🤔🤔🤔 But it's an understandable one, since all these aspects will obviously do not interact well with some Hammer/God boons, and the dev team needs time to streamline these specific kinks out.

[opaque merlin]

^ try Dionysus or Ares with Chiron bow

[inland pebble]

Also, can someone explain to me the "window" thing on Zag Aspect Bow?

[opaque merlin]

Like, the flashing time for the power shot bonus

Increasing the window means you have more time to get it. Doesn't increase damage

(Beyond standard power shot bonus)

[inland pebble]

So does it make the charging time shorter to have a Power Shot, or longer?!?!

[opaque merlin]

It makes the flashing bit last longer. I imagine that that means it starts flashing earlier, but not 100% sure

[inland pebble]

I am confusion

[opaque merlin]

When you charge a shot, eventually it flashes briefly. If you release during that window, you get a power shot. The zag aspect bow makes that easier

[turbid needle]

It does technically speed up charge time.

I think the midpoint of the charge stays the same no matter what.

[opaque merlin]

So I just got some Ambrosia from Eurydice while I had only Curse of Pain and Dire Misfortune, and it upgraded both to heroic. I don't know if there's any other way to get the specialty boons to heroic

[turbid needle]

Pretty sure there isn't.

[opaque merlin]

Well, for reference, that takes it from +10 damage per application to +13

[marble cradle]

ok i need some recommendations

good synergies to go for with the new gun/spear aspects

ive got fun stuff for bow and sword aspects but i want so see if im missing anything that is blatantly disgusting from gun or spear

[vague hearth]

So what are diamonds good for outside of the music stand?

[inland pebble]

Trading? 1 dia = 500 darkness. The exchange rates have been fixed since the lastest patch.

[vague hearth]

I'm asking because I'm at the point where the only use for darkness I have now is the last upgrade

[inland pebble]

Same. I think I'm gonna keep selling diamonds every chance I got, since heats do not increase darkness anymore, and I don't want to install a save with full fates on it.

[vague hearth]

Oh well

[inland pebble]

Been saving to get all the expensive diamond purchases out of the way

[vague hearth]

Music is a good cause

Also I'm very proud of my nickname

"It's an awful day(?) in the House of Hades, and you are a wonderful cleaner."

[inland pebble]

Hades mini-game: Dusa in the Sky with Diamonds. Watch her struggle with the nonstop waves of rodents who somehow managed to dig even down to... Tartarus? Overpopulation has officially gone too far! And if Lord Hades manages to see a single living thing in the House, Dusa would be so fired!
Using diamonds and gems to magnify your prettifying, oh wait, petrifying power, Dusa must turn all those rats into stones before they got her head rolling unemploying-ly, again!

[frosty pier]

That actually reminded me... We had no extra Dusa content since the release of early access.

Or something

If that is not a reason for a riot I dont know what is.

[brisk island]

Someone found any Heroic Passives? l'm found Aphrodite's Different League got Heroic quality (18%, but when l got it was applied pom - so l not sure +3% or less) - possible get Heroic passive only through Eurydice's Ambrosia Delight. Also seems some passives left with maximum Epic quality - probably depends could be it upgraded with Pom or not.
sorry for ping, but this pretty big topic

[native ether]

Prior to this update it wasn't possible to get Heroic Boons on anything except primary boons.

[brisk island]

@native ether l'm know, but l'm have feeling some boons capped at Epic like Chaos. Btw l got bug with Refreshing Nectar + Pos/Dio Duo interaction, literally no heroic boons - that was pretty sad already reported. Note: Even primary not was upgraded to heroic.

[native ether]

Don't think you can get Heroic Boons from the Poseidon/Dionysus duo just ever.

Heroic tiers remain exclusive to exchanges only with the exception of Eurydice's first option.

[brisk island]

<_< l'm metioned nectar + duo

[native ether]

I'm aware. I believe that's working as intended given that the Yarn of Ariadne has the exact same rules of interaction in the current update and the previous update.

Heroic Boons are not naturally findable regardless of how much rarity you increase. They're locked to being exclusive to exchanges only.

(and now, using Eurydice's first option)

I personally think it's fine. Heroic boon tiers are honestly pretty busted and they don't appear normally because of it.

[brisk island]

._. not sure for everything ("busted" stands for "overpowered/high power"?) https://imgur.com/4afuwWe (just +1... for potential boon but effect equal 1lvl pom.)

[wise plinth]

Does anyone find that Thanos' boon is really OP? particularly with ranged weapons.

[pastel jolt]

well i mean he did kill half the universe with it so it is kinda op

[wise plinth]

lol

Keepsake* obviously

[pastel jolt]

his name is thanatos, not thanos ;P

[stable oyster]

I mean, this was the update that focuses on endgame

[tall gulch]

Finally got around to doing a cast+special poseidon sword build

Jesus that was a lot of damage

And I never even got the Chaos boon to get more than 6 casts.

@cedar mirage you have to get asterious to go straight into a wall or pillar. He will always dash towards you.

[winged gale]

@wise plinth Than is a risk/reward keepsake. I take it when I'm playing to do my best since it really helps with the high hp pools of later enemies/bosses.
Perhaps it is too good (or I'm not good enough!) that I always feel obligated to take it when I want to have the highest chance of a clear

Has anyone had a really hard time finding Eurydice? I have only found her on my very first run of the initial update

[hard holly]

Took me a long time to get her again as well

[frosty pier]

Those sneaky shades, it's so hard to find them, like they dont want to bribe Zag away every time.

[cedar mirage]

@tall gulch yeah but his pathfinding just skirts around the columns and keeps charging, it’s a pretty common complaint

[frosty pier]

Common complaint... if there are things to hate SGG for... that charge is the one of the top 5

[tall gulch]

I've only had it miss when he's at an angle

[proud storm]

hello i was bored and tried to imagine what the 4th aspects of each weapon would be lol

Sword

• Thanatos Aspect: your Special now leaves a circle at the point of impact that explodes after a couple of seconds (kinda like than's AoE attack). Each rank increases the AoE's damage but it will generally always be higher than the default Special.

• No longer deals damage instantly like the default Special.

Spear

• Ares Aspect: dashing right after performing a Spin Attack allows Zagreus to immediately follow up with another Spin Attack with a bigger range (bc ares loves to see you spin around with the whole blade rift business and also because that combo sounds brutal). Each rank increases your Dash distance.

• Slightly longer recovery time if this combo is executed.

Shield

• Athena Aspect: blocking enough damage eventually allows you to Retaliate: while under that effect, your next Attack deals more damage in a much larger area in front of you (arent you tired of being nice? dont you just want to go berserk). Each rank increases Retaliation damage. overall it kinda works like a discount Call for your shield.

• No downsides in particular except that it does take a fair amount of damage blocking to actually be able to Retaliate.

Bow

• Artemis Aspect: your next Attack after x consecutive successful Attacks will always be a Critical Hit. If the attacks are Power Shots it takes even less hits to land a crit (i guess artemis has had enough of you not landing an arrow in that wretch's forehead or something). Each rank decreases the amount of consecutive hits it takes to land a crit.

• No downsides in particular bc this aspect can already be tricky enough to use

i dont have any ideas for the gun

[hard holly]

I had an idea, but realized it was basically Chiron aspect for gun, sooo

[stable oyster]

New gun aspect: increased damage and max ammo, but you can’t stop shooting

Ares aspect

New shield aspect: press the special button while your shield is in flight to swap places with it

(1 sec internal cool down)

[naive cobalt]

@proud storm I super dig all of those gameplay ideas. Although it is explicitly stated in the game that Artemis never wielded Coronacht, and Idk why Thanatos wouldn't still be using the sword if he ever had in the past.

[proud storm]

Idk i was just like "oh than's got a sword" "well artemis is the goddess of the hunt so" 🤷

[stable oyster]

Ares has definitely used a gun at some point

[native ether]

the only reason i dont like using the butterfly is i die with it in styx rip me

for a 4th rail aspect, I would love to see something that turns the dash attack into a fundamentally new attack

@vast peak Something worthy to note, the Lambent Plume does not act the way the wiki currently describes. It has yet to be updated (I'll do that now actually)

The current plume is I believe "Gain 0.8/1/1.2% move speed and dodge chance for each encounter you clear 'quickly'" where 'quickly' depends on the biome and room you are in.

[wind vale]

is piercing barrage unavailable with the chiron aspect for the bow or was i just very unlucky?

was kinda hoping to play around with that combo

[whole flint]

I just got a run with the Stygian Blade, the Aspect that dislodges Cast, and full Artemis boons... Well that was quite a fun run !

[native ether]

to my knowledge having an aspect at the moment doesnt disable your ability to get any hammers, but i could be wrong

[wind vale]

quite sure i saw that zeus shield removes many shield special ones since they just cant work

[stable oyster]

They all would still work

[drowsy plover]

How are other people finding the Bull Rush projectile hammer? It felt really weird to me, I picked it up in styx and didn't get chance to build around it yet.

Also, is it just me, or are the new sword aspects totally pushing us to pairing sword + artemis? it's so juicy.

[hollow matrix]

The bull shot is great imo

I love using it

[charred ruin]

What are the easiest heat conditions? I used to play with 2 damage control, but 2 extreme measures seems to be even easier. Snake oil is annoying though. Looking for the next easiest ways to raise heat levels.

[native ether]

easiest really depends on how you play tbh

like if you never roll shops, then convenience fee is probably a no brainer

if you depend on shops though, then you'll dislike it

[lost sigil]

amage control and trap damage

although trap damage has been hurting me a lot on the styx razor blades 😄

reckless play so easy to fix

[native ether]

if it affects poison id be careful

[elfin pulsar]

trap damage combined with snake oil is actually my bane

also trap damage vs alecto

[lost sigil]

ya is not fun

but you have to factor in the chance 😄

[elfin pulsar]

ye if u dont roll alecto and ur not playing snake oil

its the freest 2 points

[deep vault]

Sanke oil adds more hydra heads I assume?

[lost sigil]

That's right

[elfin pulsar]

nope, completely changes the arena

[lost sigil]

and it makes the level horrible to navitgate

[elfin pulsar]

same number of heads i think

[lost sigil]

it is just death if you're playing with traps

the floor is lava 😄

[elfin pulsar]

the arena is half the size with no pillars and way more lava

[deep vault]

oh gods

[lost sigil]

waiting for the video where someone has everything maxed

😄

[deep vault]

it said one more trouble to worry about

so I assumed it was "just" more heads

[native ether]

it gives the main hydra head a new attack and revamps the arena

the arena is almost the same size but there's more lava so less playable area

[elfin pulsar]

which new attack?

[deep vault]

well im gonna postpone putting points in there then

[elfin pulsar]

the heads feel so much closer together

[native ether]

||The main hydra head will break its bony neck at 25% health and chase you around the arena, continually ground pounding you||

[elfin pulsar]

oh wow I've never even noticed that

i always just pump damage so hard once the last heads phase ends

[deep vault]

what the FRICK

[native ether]

its during the 6 heads too

[lost sigil]

yep

[elfin pulsar]

dang, that fights so hectic

[radiant dock]

Theres a lot of overlapping aoe so its kinda chaotic but its so much more fun and intense, hydra becames a bit boring when you learn the patterns

[elfin pulsar]

thats sweet

[lost sigil]

I tried it one run, turned it straight off with trap damage

[elfin pulsar]

good call lol

seems way better to get 2 heat in traps than 1 heat in hydra

[lost sigil]

traps are generally easy to avoid

[deep vault]

i have so many problems with hydra

usually im losing one death defiance to it

[elfin pulsar]

hydra gets way easier if you get some deflect boons

its a good crutch

[deep vault]

Athena just

never shows up

and then there like so many heads spawning adds

[elfin pulsar]

the best way to learn hydra IMO is to first get good at the 1 head phases, they are so easy u should never take damage

then worry about learning the crazy phases

[pliant hawk]

my favorite way to add heat is uhh what was it called

the one that spawns more enemies

[deep vault]

for most weapons I pick the one that gives enemies one free hit

since most weapons are rapid fire it doesn't really matter

[copper briar]

I like adding more furies

they are never that difficult to deal with if my build is half decent

[gloomy scroll]

I generally don’t get hit by traps so I use that but every so often I’ll dash into the on contact spears in elysium and take like 30-40

[turbid needle]

Axes cleaving DDs away in single hits in Styx has lost me runs before.

[gentle pollen]

Just had a crazy Hestia aspect run with it max upgraded - got heroic hunter dash lvl2 for +140% dash attack, a chaos boon for +69% dash attack, epic divine strike lvl4 for +113% attack, and had the pierced butterfly at 42.5%. Everything melted. It was glorious.

[raven jungle]

how the heck are you supposed to get the more expensive gem items!? 5k is not easy to get lol

[kind fiber]

complete bounties

there isn't a better way really

you can occasionally trade for one of the better keys, but thats about it, it wouldn't be as bad if we were starting over, but I feel like they should have given people who have been playing awhile a few keys/gemstones/diamonds instead of a large pool of darkness

[inland pebble]

The Eris Aspect seems like an afterthought to me. The old Invigorating Blast gave you more %dmg buff (but last much shorter). I really don't wanna waste 5+4+3+2+2=16 precious keys on it only for a 60% dmg buff.

[kind fiber]

Its so weird how the zeus aspect shield lowers the hitbox when you upgrade it

[raven jungle]

that thing can be deadly

[kind fiber]

I agree, but its annoying to use with such a small radius

or hitbox rather

[raven jungle]

try using it as cover with the deflect thingy on it

[kind fiber]

I had a pretty good ares/athena run with it a bit ago

[raven jungle]

its awesome

[kind fiber]

Eh, I prefer its raw damage potential using the exploding return hammer buff

[raven jungle]

been becoming a real fan of the gun. its fun, just not as effective as others

hate the bow -.-

[kind fiber]

Bow has strong builds with the hera aspect

[wise plinth]

The bow is soooo powerful

[gentle pollen]

I have fun with both aspects, especially with the hammer upgrade that removes the charge time.

[wise plinth]

Hera and chiron aspects will probably have to be nerfed

[inland pebble]

Yeah, only because they make all the other aspects look bad.

[raven jungle]

hmmm will have to take a look. all i know is max attack speed on the gun is broke af

so much pew pew

[inland pebble]

(Minus Poseidon I suspose)

[kind fiber]

Zeus is pretty amazing

[wise plinth]

Lol, yeah. Get the bow, upgrade chiron, use Thans keepsake.

[raven jungle]

had a full zeus run a little while ago

[wise plinth]

But if youre going to use the hera build, remember you can load in all of your cast crystal things

[bronze sorrel]

What do you all think are the best boons for Chiron aspect Coronacht?

[inland pebble]

The usuals that are good with the normal Bow: Dio, Zeus

Maybe Artemis

[vale sphinx]

I think the only special boon that gets actively better from Chiron is like.. Poseidon, because the projectiles chase? Everything else is just as good on normal special imho

[inland pebble]

I personally like using Zeus on Bow Special. The damage is mutiplied several times with Zeus's boons like Double/Lucky Strike, Jolted and his Legendary.

But since Zeus Special on Chiron Bow is bugged right now, I have to use Sea Storm on it instead.

A bit annoying, since you need that specific duo on that specific Special to make it work.

[vague hearth]

Aight so

What the stupidest builds yall have done that actually worked?

[wise plinth]

I like it withanything. Poseiden is good because it is funny. Works well with razo shoals. Anything that gives large raw damage bonus is great. Just make sure you get a different status effect on your attack. Ares + aphrodite with thier combo works pretty well.
I think artemis is overall underwhelming though.

[vague hearth]

I like artemis' damage

It can get outright insane at times

[wise plinth]

I used to like it more but it feels worse now. Ive not looked at the numbers but J feel like the base damage increase is too low when compared with other gods, especially when they apply starus effects to get the ‘X’

[vague hearth]

True

But I like seeing the big numbers so

Exclamation mark time

[inland pebble]

Artemis is alright if you have Deadly Reversal. Or maybe I mistook it with a Athena build with Deadly Reversal 🤔.

DR makes all Athena attacks critical with much higher chances than Artemis's own boons 😅

[vague hearth]

Oof

[woven kindle]

Artemis is the right pick if you have another damage modifier (such as an aspect, hammer or from a chaos boon) since all damage modifiers are additive as far as I can tell. Then the crit will take you much further than a higher modifier. Especially true with upgraded Poseidon aspect stygius + Artemis cast letting you do some nutty damage pretty consistently.
Artemis used to be the obvious choice most of the time, but now I think it's a lot more balanced and as with all gods is dependent on your set up

[vague hearth]

Especially with fully loaded and paired with hermes' fast-cast boon

[turbid needle]

...this game has sometimes the most stupid runs lol

I'm gonna take the aphrodite special... it's gonna be good for tagging with rocket...

and then chaos is like : psst.... do you want to have 363% more damage on special ?

[fleet oracle]

when you have 3 rockets, and they all crit often, doing 753 damage per crit

and even more to shields

[turbid needle]

so I ended up doing solid 550% more damage and had the sweet surrender on 31% and privileged status...

I was doing about 600 damage per rocket without crit and got the triple rocket...

[fleet oracle]

im also currently using aphro

goes up to 900 damage

its

rediculous

i wonder how much damage i can do by the end of the run

[wary knot]

Shoutouts to rail builds never actually using bullets

[fleet oracle]

bullets are alright

i use em with zues to clear styx easier

[wary knot]

Turning Zagreus into a mini howitzer

[fleet oracle]

tiny rats are annoying

[wary knot]

That's true, handy for the swarms

[turbid needle]

I was using Dio attack... but... yeah, game just didn't want me to go poison privileged way

[fleet oracle]

yeah if i can get that priveledge stat on bosses, i can prolly do alotta damage

aditional 50%

rail gun is such an easy weapon though. stay at a distance, use three crit rockets to kill from safety

[turbid needle]

sadly I was using Zagreus aspect lol

Eris would be so insane lol

then I feel like Zagreus aspect could also use some buff

possibly attack speed buff

[fleet oracle]

what does that aspect do?

more ammo?

[wary knot]

Bigger clip yeah

[fleet oracle]

it just needs a different affect

its such a useless bonus

[wary knot]

The gun aspects are a little underwhelming in general to me, but maybe I'm just a gun hater

[fleet oracle]

yeah lets give the gun that has two hammers where one gives it 6 more bullets and the other makes it infinite an ammo bonus aspect

i like the secon one, more damage when you are in the blast radius in your own special

[wary knot]

That is fairly wack

[fleet oracle]

ALL damage is upped

[wary knot]

Invigorating Blast is good just not interesting to me I guess

[fleet oracle]

well yeah, its not as interesting as achiles spear

[wary knot]

Yeah it's just special, then special some more

[fleet oracle]

but more damage is more damage

well yeah, if you go for the rocket crit build then its gonna be mostly rockets

the sword aint much better

most builds for the sword are special spam builds

[wary knot]

I like the aspects that can really change how you play, like Poseidon sword, even Hades spear encourages you to mix it up and not just spin all day

[fleet oracle]

i never used spin on it to begin with

[vague hearth]

Bullet build

[wary knot]

That's true, at least the... crit special sword encourages you to mix it up

[fleet oracle]

but yeah, specialized builds are just that, specialized towards one main thing

[vague hearth]

AKA poseidon shotgun turns you into the wave itself

[fleet oracle]

most end up special spam

[vague hearth]

Dash attack time

[wary knot]

Shoving enemies around with a machine gun is pretty fun

[fleet oracle]

i miss dash attack crit

(cries

[vague hearth]

I like dash attack builds a lot, myself

The hyper-agressive playstyle is super fun

[fleet oracle]

getting a bonus for something you already do is nice

[wary knot]

I'm always sad you can't do dash attack spins with the spear

It's probably for the best though

[vague hearth]

And the new spear dash attack is nice

[fleet oracle]

i already stay in face range when rocketing my enemy, getting 24% more damage is just a bonus

[vague hearth]

Zagreus, probably: What do you mean, "Point blank isn't optimal range"?

[fleet oracle]

(proceeds to shove three crit rockets down a bloodless' face)

[vague hearth]

Zagreus and doomguy have a lot in common, huh?

[fleet oracle]

they go through hel killing things, and both are technically "unstoppable"

hades is just doom, greek teen angst edition.

[vague hearth]

Doom but groovier

[fleet oracle]

with a different genre of music

[vague hearth]

Also with added Dusa and puppy

[wary knot]

Sounds like the dream game to me

[fleet oracle]

yeah, doom is objectively worse until you can pet a demon dog

[vague hearth]

Well

Hades is already the dream game tbh

[wary knot]

[fleet oracle]

im sad

[vague hearth]

I just realised that you can pet many things in supergiant games titles

[fleet oracle]

my final hammer upgrade didnt giveme three rockets.

[vague hearth]

F

[fleet oracle]

i need to unlock the reroll option in mirror

[vague hearth]

Big F

[fleet oracle]

so that this doesnt happen as mucb

much

[wary knot]

Have to win without being an endless beacon of destruction

[vague hearth]

I love hammers

[fleet oracle]

well. one hammer left, technically. gotta get the 500 obol one in styx, or hope it shows up a second time in alysium

[vague hearth]

The ability to change the way weapons work or make them even better at what they already do

Good stuff

[fleet oracle]

i got the shotgun

since im already in point blank range with everything anyway

[wary knot]

Can you get flurry jab offered as a hammer upgrade with the Hades spear aspect?

Because if so that's a bit of a punt

[vague hearth]

You can

I nearly did it for the meme

[wary knot]

Flexing on your dad, using his spear in the least efficient way possible

What a tilt

But for real that probably shouldn't be an option... right?

I mean I don't really like flurry jab with any type of spear so maybe I'm just a hater

[vague hearth]

Now I kinda want to do that

Just

[fleet oracle]

if there was a stat affect that scaled with how many times something got hit, they would be perfect

like, ares can give that kind of option, since he's the war guy

[vague hearth]

"Hey dad, nice spear. Watch this" never spins once

Or hermes aspect

[fleet oracle]

ok, the bull's attacks hitting twice is bs

[vague hearth]

Because fast

[fleet oracle]

losing my healthbar like that is annoying

[vague hearth]

Bull's a bit wacky rn, yeah

[fleet oracle]

either its aoe, or its directional hit, if they both hit seperatly, thats dumb.

ugh

its already in feedback somewhere

so all i can do is whine about it

[tawny viper]

Is it just me or are the spear variants all kinda... meh, especially compared to the other weapons'. Exagryph gets bonus dmg for hitting yourself with the giant AoE, swords make things drop, etc.

But spear is either "spear goes faster and further" which is eh, "You jump to it instead and next 2hits deal bonus dmg" which goes away too quickly, or "Spin makes ppl take bonus dmg" which is annoying to get off.

[vague hearth]

Tbh, the only problem I've had with Asterius is his leap tracking

[tawny viper]

[vague hearth]

The 2 hits one

[fleet oracle]

his leap is fine, go under behind him and dodge as he comes down, i never struggle with that, its just that his attacks can hit twice is stupid

[vague hearth]

It'll apply to spins

[wary knot]

Yeah I was surprised when Asterius dunked me for 2 hits of 25

[fleet oracle]

oh, the leap isnt the only one that does that

[wary knot]

Sick

[vague hearth]

So you get the achilles one, rush, and charge up a spin for 150% damage

[fleet oracle]

do it

[vague hearth]

Catch me running hades spear with flurry jabs

[wary knot]

I have had every arena fight be "thrilling, arduous battle with Asterius; then Theseus dies in 20 seconds"

So the bull man might be a bit overtuned currently?

[vague hearth]

Pffff right?

I'd like for theseus to be a first kill option sometimes

[wary knot]

Does the other boss lose HP when their partner dies or something?

I do always kill Asterius first

[fleet oracle]

grrrrea,t 3 dd's lost in alysium because the bows and spears thrown at you are too quick and small to see, or because the bull dunks like a madman

[manic ermine]

whoever remains gets faster

[vague hearth]

But trying to get through that shield with asterius at my heels

[fleet oracle]

i cant wait for this area to be better polished

[vague hearth]

I love the idea of them throwing their bows at you

[fleet oracle]

i mean arrows

but

whatever

[wary knot]

I walk into the arrow traps way more often than I'd like to admit

20 damage every time hurts!

[fleet oracle]

im just mad at how useless the hammer upgrade i got to my build

as well as this area in general

[vague hearth]

I always go for the trap heat too

[fleet oracle]

same

[vague hearth]

So the traps are

Oof

[wary knot]

I'm never turning 400% trap damage on

[fleet oracle]

pshhhhh

[wary knot]

No sir

[fleet oracle]

landing in traps is for the weak

[vague hearth]

Oh

I still land in traps every now and then

[fleet oracle]

i use it cause traps are alright, i guess. and it gives me free heat that doesnt affect me at all on bosses

[vague hearth]

But then, my idiocy has always been a constant so that's nothing new

[wary knot]

Trap heat should affect lava too

[fleet oracle]

NIO

NO

stop

[vague hearth]

Oh god that sounds like, well

It sounds like hell

[wary knot]

I'll start writing the feedback post now

[vague hearth]

So I guess it's fitting

[wary knot]

The true heat

[fleet oracle]

>:(

[vague hearth]

You ever just wanna always regret using achilles aspect

[solid solar]

Achiless aspect is a trap

[fleet oracle]

if i can survive 3 encounters with aditional 40% damage to myself, ill get like 70% extra damage on my rocket

koshy wym, its good

[vague hearth]

Good luck!

[solid solar]

Esp on ashpodel

[vague hearth]

Achilles bonus damage affects spin attacks

[solid solar]

Denjoy all the lava trips... Bleach.....

[fleet oracle]

and then the boss of alysium can block ALL MY ROCKETS ANYWAY. sad

oh, dude, i agree. you should be able to control your spears leap, at least with m/kb

[vague hearth]

I would've ended up in the lava achilles aspect or no

[woven kindle]

Achilles bonus damage only affects one spin cause you have to attack once before you start charging spin :(

[fleet oracle]

or just attack normally

[wary knot]

I would like a recall/leap option somehow for the Achilles aspect

So you don't have to fling yourself into traps if you messed up a throw

[fleet oracle]

attacking with the spear thrown dashes to spear, special recalls

pls buff

i need

[vague hearth]

Or just make it so the spear stops at the edge of the ground

[fleet oracle]

nah

[vague hearth]

Like

[fleet oracle]

it'd be better with how i mentioned it

[vague hearth]

The furthest point of ground

Or the dash stops there

Idk

[wary knot]

Wouldn't help with traps though? Would help a lot with lava though

[fleet oracle]

allows you to choose to recall or dash.

[wary knot]

Lava is way harder to avoid in general with that aspect

[fleet oracle]

recalling or dashing as an option is better than distance change based on lava

[wary knot]

It's definitely an easier change!

[fleet oracle]

because plenty of areas would mess you up, cause the ground isnt always fully connected, and theres bits of lava separating the arena so you dont want the lava based change, it would make it annoying in that place

just choosing should be simple enough

leads bull to pillar during his dash, he dashes around the pillar. smashes into me. i feel sad

proceed to rocket his face while feeling more sad than before

[vague hearth]

Maybe make it so clicking returns and q dashes? Or vice versa

[fleet oracle]

sure

either way works

as long as there is an option

[bronze sorrel]

Anyone know where the new weapon upgrades max out?

[unkempt pagoda]

level 5 i believe

[fleet oracle]

5

[wary knot]

How many keys is that for all the new aspects? A lot right? 175 at least?

Unless I've made a big goof in working it out that is. And you can get... 100 keys from heat bounties right?

Although I assume they're gonna add higher heat bounties eventually

[elfin pulsar]

whoever said achilles aspect only affects one spin was wrong I believe

after u throw the spear u can start holding left click and it will dash and then charge

i could be wrong but I think it only consumes one charge

and is there a limit to the heat bounties?

i was hoping they went all the way to the max

[unkempt pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187458596559257600/633483261867327518/Hades_00031.png

this is, without a doubt, the weirdest, most unorganized run/build i've ever done

currently my strategy is poison blitz discing, then knocking enemies back into the disc with charged shot

effective but extremely agonizing to play

on top of that i have a thousand dds so

[vagrant hearth]

epic Deadly Strike as my first boon... I've got a good feeling about this run

(trying out the Hera bow for the first time, too)

[wary knot]

@elfin pulsar The bounties cap at 10 heat.

And the Achilles spear does end up only boosting 1 spin, you can hold attack to jump to your spear and charge the spin. But after you do that there's no way to start charging again without doing a stab, which will use up the 2nd damage boost

[elfin pulsar]

ahhhh yeah

that makes sense

real bummer about the heat tho

it should go up to 24 at least

[manic ermine]

I have to start using spearpoint in elysium now because of mino's 83 damage combos

[inland pebble]

I learnt my lessons and packing Weak/have 2 Athena Deflect with me to Elysium boss fight now.

[elfin pulsar]

imo aphro is straight up the best god rn

huge damage and the debuff is the best

[vagrant hearth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520443703601528844/633528948386562107/Screenshot_23.png I have a good feeling about this run

though I might swap out phalanx shot if i get the chance down the line- it didn't work the way i expected it to with hera.
edit: and tipsy shot was a mistake too (good burst damage, but i forgot the lack of stuck-ins makes quick reload pointless) so i decided to just restart. 😅

[hasty wraith]

when i complete a bounty, am i supposed to earn a heat skull as well? i've been doing runs w/1 heat option chosen, but i dont seam to be earning skulls at all. sorry if this is a dumb question - not clear how it works w/the new heat system.

[errant narwhal]

nope! heat skulls are not a resource anymore, you can use however many as you want from the beginning

[hasty wraith]

ohh, thanks a lot. so the portals where you can spend 15 heat skulls - those are just a holdover?

[turbid needle]

Nope, you just don't get bounties past 10.

15 Heat Erebus gates are completely usable.

[inland pebble]

Haven't try heats past 10 this patch yet. Does it increase darkness you earn during the run? 1 heat now = 5 heats back then = 50% darkness increase right?

[quick rune]

Question: If I'm two swings into my sword combo and I dash before I thrust (my third swing of the combo), does the thrust count as both the thrust and a dash attack?

[turbid needle]

No.

[inland pebble]

Pretty sure it counts as a dash att. Thrust only happens if you have a little 'charge' time before it.

[errant narwhal]

@hasty wraith you dont spend heat there - you have to have 15 heat active to enter them

[quick rune]

@inland pebble the third swing after the dash actually does have a charge before it.

Which is why I'm unsure whether it's a dash attack or a thrust

[inland pebble]

Then try it on skelly and see the number then

[hasty wraith]

Thanks @errant narwhal !
I'm doing a sword run right now @inland pebble and the hit+hit+dash attack doesn't look the same as the hit+hit+hit(thrust) to me. I don't think it counts as a thrust

[inland pebble]

The only thing I wish this game has it a statistic summary of the dmg you dealt. So you would know objectively which parts of the builds are producing the best dmg and then you can make wiser upgrade decisions.

[turbid needle]

^

[inland pebble]

Also it could be a neat Erebus challenge as well. "Deal X dmg in Y seconds" etc.

"Can only use Special att" "Can only use Dashes".

[rugged horizon]

murder boat 24 heat jesus christ my hands are sore

my hands are vibrating lmao

[turbid needle]

It might be best to just avoid mid bosses if possible you're using Middle Management on 24 Heat.

[rugged horizon]

wasnt given the choice

[turbid needle]

RIP

[rugged horizon]

oh i beat it

it was just psychotic

[turbid needle]

Sorry, generic "Oh dang" expression.

[rugged horizon]

lol

[turbid needle]

Triple Murderboat without a really good AoE build is rough.

[rugged horizon]

artemis

[turbid needle]

I feel like Artemis could burst decently well.

[rugged horizon]

oh yea its great for antiboss

but sucks for dense mobs

so i got bad luck on the miniboss of styx

[inland pebble]

Okay. Someone mentionsed that they can avoid Aterius the Minotaur highjump-slam attacks by "going under him". And holy moly the guacamole there IS a non-hitbox space "underneath" Aterius when he jumps!

How on Earth and Underworld is this important tidbit NOT in the patch notes!?

[still dew]

If I use more heat than my current level, do the bounties stack? or would I have to complete 5 heat 5 times to get all of it?

[inland pebble]

The latter. You start with the bounties of 1 heat, finish it by defeating He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named Voldemort. Then start with the bounties of 2 heats run up to 10.

[still dew]

shame, low heat is kinda boring, but there's also almost no reward for doing high heat for a while then

apart from a few erebus rooms

[inland pebble]

No. You can still do high heat, and earn the bounties of the uncleared bounties of the lowest heat level.

(I'm not doing any better with the explaination of how this works, am I?)
Just go in and do as much heats as you like, mate.

[lost sigil]

how are folk making the shield work?

Can't seem to find a decent combination of daedalus and boons

I'm probably just playing it wrong 😄

[still dew]

I usually go Athena attack boon en bullrush a lot

[manic goblet]

Hold LMB

there you go, that's the shield gameplay

[lost sigil]

hmm, I guess I'm just not a fan of that mechanic then

😄

It's so slow

even with the no charge time

[frosty pier]

Dash attacks are the way to go with shield.

[lost sigil]

got the artemis boon that makes dash stronger, but couldnt find a dash attack boon to go with it lol

feelsbad

[boreal summit]

Yeah I feel like I don't know what I'm doing with shield. I'm somewhow making it work but it's literally all "mash dash and attack until enemy is dead"

[cedar mirage]

Anyone else notice the new tech with the changed nova animation? Now you can press “q”, quickly dash, and have it go off after the dash, similar to the spear spin attack

[manic goblet]

yeah, it's really neat but you really need to be careful to not press attack too early

[cedar mirage]

Yeah, I only found it useful against the little chariots, as you can bait them and then get out of their range, while still hitting them

[manic goblet]

also nice against armored opponents

[fleet oracle]

so the wave upgrade for sword doesnt scale with boons, does it?

[wind vale]

doesnt look like it

only blade flurry hammer maybe

like you can shoot more

[fleet oracle]

meh

alright thanks

now i know what to avoid

[wind vale]

yea would be way better with lower base damage but scaling with your attack

currently its kinda boring

[hard holly]

Its currently terrible

The wave spawns beyond the attack range, so you cant even hit both the basic attack and the wave

[fleet oracle]

when all the heads of the asphodel boss are green on its final wave so they do nothing but summon bloodless

that was so hectic

but fun

i have artemis's heroic special but no rockets nor triple shot

this run coulda been perfect

[turbid needle]

I've got Swift Flourish on this Rocket Bombard run and Merciful End on Attack->Dash, but the game crashes every time I try to fight Hades.

[hard holly]

Hades cracked the code

"He cant beat me if I just make the game have ongoing underworld renovations"

[turbid needle]

'Bout to put my bootless foot where the moon doesn't shine, too.

[fleet oracle]

yess

i did it. i got lvl 7 artemis heroic crit special with three rockets

756 damage per crit rocket

plus getting health back from getting damaged and i didnt use a single dd

another heat run cleared

man, this game is great. cant wait till its finished

wish i could post a picture of my build here

does hestias aspect empower the special as well or just the attack?

[turbid needle]

Just Attack.

[fleet oracle]

Oh

Hmmmm

No empowered crit rocket build, then

[turbid needle]

Eris buffs itself.

[fleet oracle]

yeah i know

just gotta be in range of it

but yeah i just wanted to know because giving 30+ base damage to the special would scale super well with the rocket

the rockets base damage is 80

[turbid needle]

Yeah, that'd be pretty crazy.

[fleet oracle]

combine that with crit and its a monster

right?

but getting 12%+(i need t level it up, all ive been doing is just unlocking the ones i want) is still neat

and can make the early stage of the run go by quick

who gives a good attack boon for rail?

cause i would still like to make an attack build for the rail, rockets are great, but you dont finish the tripple crit rocket build until styx, unless youre lucky

and it will prolly get boring eventually if i keep doing crit rockets or crit special sword builds

[woven kindle]

Zeus or Dionysys with rail attack are good for damage, Poseidon nd Athena are good for safety

[fleet oracle]

which, btw, poseidon aspect crit special sword with exit wound is narly

yeah ive been using zues as a way to clear rats in styx

thanks, btw

[woven kindle]

Also as a note the shotgun hammer upgrade is amazing if you get more dashes from Hermes. Every attack is instant after every dash so you can spam out nearly every shot super fast.

[fleet oracle]

oh dude, yeehaw

its shoots out like 3 attacks at once after evry dash, right?

[woven kindle]

It was a lot if I recall correctly, and it's super easy to weave in between rockets it you got those too

[fleet oracle]

so hey, should i use achiles aspect or hades aspect on spear

cause one looks way cooler than the other

with the only difference being the special

[woven kindle]

Playing on high heat I've realized the Achilles is more trouble than it's worth usually

[fleet oracle]

i figured

so hades it is

[turbid needle]

I bet max level Zagreus Aspect with early Explosive Launcher is good.

[fleet oracle]

probably

[woven kindle]

Though it can be crazy with a caster build, the spear needs real boons to deal with stuff

[fleet oracle]

its the only weapon where the zagreus aspect is actually good, imo

i meant the spear

not the rail

zagreus aspect on rail is total dog crap

[turbid needle]

Hey, whoa, watch your tone when you're talking about Big Ammo.

(nah it's not great)

[woven kindle]

Yeah,it's more the other aspects feel very unsafe to use at higher heat especially. I find, especially from Elysium on , you just don't have space to sweep

[fleet oracle]

yeah

but yeah, i dont know why they gave zag aspect more ammo when two hammer upgrades either give you ammo or make it useless entirely

[woven kindle]

I think it's so that you can dodge that one hammer upgrade and get something else

[turbid needle]

Flurry Fire with 26 rounds isn't nothing.

[fleet oracle]

they should remove the infinite ammo option on the third aspect, as it renders that one bonus to be unusable

and just clogs up the option pool by giving you one less option

[woven kindle]

But honestly the eris aspect is way too nutty to ignore

[lost sigil]

soak dat bomb

[turbid needle]

I'm pretty sure you can still press Reload to get the option on Hestia.

[fleet oracle]

can you?

[lost sigil]

you can

[fleet oracle]

humm

[lost sigil]

just better boons to take

[woven kindle]

Every kind of build wants +60% damage

[fleet oracle]

meh

damage is neat

[hard holly]

Wait

What does achilles aspect even do with explosive launcher

[turbid needle]

It doesn't.

[fleet oracle]

but i want aspects that actually do something good. more ammo is just redundant due to the hammer upgrades for rail.

[turbid needle]

It's more up-time.

[fleet oracle]

damage res on shield is alright

[woven kindle]

I mean the stygius zag aspect is... something

[fleet oracle]

movement speed on sword is fine

[hard holly]

Achilles with Explosive launcher should do nothing, right?

[fleet oracle]

but, you know, when your special has gouge and exit wound, along with poseidon aspect, then i just dont see the reason for the movement speed when theres a boon that does that too

its just odd, imo

[woven kindle]

Am I sleeping on the movement speed? It seems pretty bad compared to the other 2 aspects

[turbid needle]

I'm not sure you can pick up EL with Achilles.

Not really, happyfir3.

[fleet oracle]

i wouldnt say bad, just underwhelming compared to, but it depends on your build

[turbid needle]

Movement speed is good in a vacuum, but not nearly as good as Nemesis and Poseidon.

[fleet oracle]

if you're not utilizing crit or exit wound in any way then movement speed is fine

but thats just it, fine

[turbid needle]

Nemesis is effectively free 35% crit rate on all Attacks.

It's really good.

[fleet oracle]

its the basic sword so i dont expect anything else above basic, just usefullness is arguable

poseidon is such a good crit special spam option though

[woven kindle]

Getting Artemis dislodge at any point with Poseidon aspect is a super easy won run

[fleet oracle]

ive had runs where i did 500 damage per special with the double hit special, with exit wound doing like 140 per cast

its, so fun

[turbid needle]

Too bad I haven't even unlocked Poseidon. I once got Heroic Exit Wounds from Eurydice.

[fleet oracle]

special spam builds tend to melt

the last run i did i got heroic special crit on rocket, tripple rocket of course. doing 750 per crit per rocket was real nice

final boss didnt see it coming

[woven kindle]

Damn hope you had a way to proc privileged status

[fleet oracle]

dash poison, attack jolt

but i forgot to use it half the time so i only did 750 damage per crit

tripple rocket, dash, tripple rocket, dash, tripple rocket, dash

[hard holly]

I mean its not exactly free, you have to use the special first

And the new special is rather slow

[fleet oracle]

i had the special speed increase

and its fine, the rockets arent terribly slow

and when they hit like a truck, i cant complain about their speed since im in everyone's face anyway to prock the second aspect of it for more damage

gotta be in the blast radius of it, after all

[deep vault]

btw can you still use the uh
the jaws rail with the rocket augment?

[turbid needle]

Jaws?

[fleet oracle]

the one that looks like the mech from evangalion?

yes

[hard holly]

Oh I was talking about the Nemesis upgrade

[fleet oracle]

you have to be in the explosion

[hard holly]

Though I guess special speed works too

Anyway I still wish Explosive launcher with Achilles aspect just made you yeet yourself at the enemies and explode

[fleet oracle]

haha

yeah thatd be neat

[turbid needle]

Just gotta be a little more careful with your Specials.

[fleet oracle]

lol, the sword is still the one i have with the most kills despite me using the rail for the past two days

[woven kindle]

The sword went from my worst weapon in the previous patch to easily my best.
The spear went from my favorite to my least favorite 😦

[turbid needle]

If a weapon dropped in your mind because of Aspects I think you're overthinking it.

[woven kindle]

Nah more like all the other weapons went up and the spear stayed the same

[hard holly]

I mean Achilles aspect is pretty sick if you dont misplace your spears

The hades one is kinda eh though

Enhancing only regular attacks isnt that helpful when their damage isnt that high

[woven kindle]

Playing on high heat the achilles one is way too slow and unsafe, relying hard on good cast boons to shine, and the hades one requires the spin attack which always feels too slow and unsafe. My main issue might be I just never really liked the spin and both aspects want to spin

[fleet oracle]

Hades also boosts special

[cedar mirage]

The spear has been falling behind ever since the beefy update tbh

[wind vale]

cast boons were the good way to play spear and achilles just buffs that

[fleet oracle]

With how insane dislodge exit wound crit special sword is, and tripple crit rocket is, yeah, the spear fell behind

[hard holly]

Wait, Hades does?

[woven kindle]

Hera bow and Poseidon sword are just better for casting

[hard holly]

Im pretty sure its just regular attack

[cedar mirage]

Hera has made me enjoy bow a ton, but it really can’t compare to Poseidon sword aspect

[hard holly]

And eh, Achilles is a spin build

You throw it out, press and hold Q to dash and immideately charge a spin

[wind vale]

spin builds dont exist

[hard holly]

Not q

[woven kindle]

Hades does affect special

[hard holly]

The attack button

[turbid needle]

With Quick Spin, they do.

[hard holly]

Yeah the big issue spear has is that while it has amazing hammer builds

Its really reliant on getting those hammers

[woven kindle]

Praying for quick spin every run is really unreliable

[hard holly]

As opposed to bow which is just baseline good

[wind vale]

it has no builds at all that another weapon does not better

[hard holly]

Eh, Spin builds are pretty unbeatable at large scale room clearing, and explosive launcher is the best long-range AoE build

[fleet oracle]

(Crit everything, my friend, crit....everything)

[cedar mirage]

Bow is good, but I just can’t justify playing it when fully loaded+exitwounds+ Poseidon aspect= some ~500 dmg easily

[fleet oracle]

It should do more than that woth crit special

[turbid needle]

You should check out Chiron Aspect with a decent Flourish boon and Relentless Barrage.

[wind vale]

instead of the bow doing about 2k with hera in one hit?

[woven kindle]

Bow is nuts because you one shot any mob in the room and if you're using aphrodite/zeus cast you're doing aoe as well

[turbid needle]

Haven't unlocked Hera yet.

[unkempt pagoda]

hera bow is amazing btw

[woven kindle]

Hera with Ares or Dionysus cast also doesn't need to upgrade the aspect

Since those casts dont lodge in

[wind vale]

and thats the really good ones with it

so only lvl1