h1-builds-and-combat

[stable oyster]

It makes playing the weapon so much more interesting and it’s not game breaking

[hard holly]

I did notice that

The hestia shots in general act weird

[stable oyster]

It’s so fun to theory craft with

I’ve been looking into some more technical animation canceling, and realized that this game has much more technical depth then I first thought

[turbid needle]

It's nice, isn't it?

[stable oyster]

20xx hades

[hard holly]

I was so happy when I figured out you can shift the trajectory of a bullcharge by doing a dash to the side

Unfortunately, that no longer works

[stable oyster]

Yea that was awesome

You could jump barriers as well

Idk if i liked old bull rush better

[hard holly]

We didnt have the Deja Vu build yet

So its a tough call

[stable oyster]

Deja Vu?

[hard holly]

Fast Charge

You just start drifting all over the place

So I call it the Deja Vu build

[stable oyster]

New sudden Rush is definitely better

[hard holly]

Even after the nerf

[stable oyster]

There was a period of time where it was basically instant

Now it gives invincibility tho

[hard holly]

Yup, thats the one I was thinking of

I loved that time

[charred ruin]

Aspect #1: 1+1+1+1+1=5
Aspect #2: 1+2+3+4+5=15
Aspect #3: 2+2+3+4+5=16 🤔

[stable oyster]

Is aspect 1 all 1s?

[charred ruin]

Seems like it

[turbid needle]

2 and 3 are not-factorials, I bet Aspect #4 will keep the same rules.

[charred ruin]

i wonder which weapon has aspect #1 as the best asepct

[stable oyster]

I think aspect 4 will be a complete rework or something

Spear might

[hard holly]

Spears is probably the best yeah

Its just generically good

Swords is fine, but moving faster isnt that big a deal when you dash a lot anyway

[charred ruin]

yeah i was thinking that, although i just finished with aspect 2 when I couldn't with one

[hard holly]

Shield is fine, but reduced damage isnt exciting when you mostly dont take damage

[stable oyster]

Sword is best for speedruns

[charred ruin]

sword as amazing aspect 2 and 3

why bother with 1

[hard holly]

Rail is pretty good, but I dont know how often you reload from a totally empty mag instead of just manually

Bows sucks

[stable oyster]

Sword zag aspect is best for speedruns, it is at least considered the best

[charred ruin]

which aspect is best for rail? its 2 and 3 seem meh

[stable oyster]

I like 2 ,

Increases all dmg

Including things like Zeus

[turbid needle]

Possibly Eris, but I wanna see someone better than me put the new Hestia through its paces.

[hard holly]

3 was busted in half

But now its still pretty good

[elfin pulsar]

thanatos rooms in elysium feel impossible to beat in time for the plume, I more than doubled his kills and wasnt even close

[hard holly]

2 should be good, but I dont like it because it just invites the enemis to clobber you

[stable oyster]

Yea 3 is just all around solid

[elfin pulsar]

did they make 3 not work with spreadshot anymore?

[hard holly]

Unfortunately, yes

[elfin pulsar]

the patch note was unclear

aww

[turbid needle]

I'm hearing people say it fires one Empowered shot and then switches back to Spread Fire.

[elfin pulsar]

thats kinda lame

[stable oyster]

Ok but it needed a nerf

Let’s be real here

[elfin pulsar]

yeah wont deny that

[turbid needle]

Agreed.

split the damage across the pellets

[hollow matrix]

Hestia honestly feels weak rn

I mainly use it to stomp through tarturus

[stable oyster]

I think it’s better than base at least

[hollow matrix]

But then it becomes meh

[turbid needle]

Big Ammo?

[hollow matrix]

I would take more ammo

[stable oyster]

Larg ammo, idk about that

[hard holly]

Same

I reload prior to hitting the ammo cap a lot anyway

And now that reloading doesnt interrupt or stop dashes

[stable oyster]

I don’t really find myself wishing for more ammo

[hard holly]

Its basically free

[hollow matrix]

I tend to hold fire with zeus very often

[fleet oracle]

Which aspect of the sword is best?

[hollow matrix]

I like the convience it provides along with extended stagger

[elfin pulsar]

nemesis is better for the majority of builds

[charred ruin]

both 2 and 3 for sword are great

[stable oyster]

It depends

[turbid needle]

I put Nemesis on and haven't changed it since.

[elfin pulsar]

im sure there are some sweet cast builds with posiden tho

[hard holly]

I liked the suggestion in uh

[turbid needle]

But a really good Exit Wounds build with Poseidon would be nutty.

[hard holly]

Feedback

Where Hestia is triggered after dashing instead

That would be pretty cool

[stable oyster]

Speedruns, take 1, cast build, take 3, normally, take 2

[placid plinth]

Hey, Hestia turns out to be pretty neat. Especially when it's 60 damage and Artemis

[hard holly]

Nice

[charred ruin]

what does a speedrun specifically help for? just to farm darkness?

[stable oyster]

60 base is pretty good

[turbid needle]

Personal challenge, mostly.

[stable oyster]

It’s a speedrun, there is a leader board

[turbid needle]

You repeat the same seed to speedrun so you can't really Darkness farm like that.

[stable oyster]

For world record times

[copper briar]

Is the speedrunning not heavily reliant on what room you get the sack in?

[stable oyster]

It is

[turbid needle]

Not as important as Tartarus, usually.

[stable oyster]

Unless you run 6 sack%

[charred ruin]

saving 1500 gold for the extra key is very hard. I can't beat the last boss without spending money on the way

[stable oyster]

Where you finish all Styx branches regardless of where you get the sack

[copper briar]

It feels like speedruns should probably mandate all rooms to be cleared yeah

[turbid needle]

That's crazy, 'cause I've tapped out of branches I wanted to take 'cause I knew I was gonna eat damage that I couldn't afford.

[copper briar]

I thought about this the other day, I'm a pretty casual player but i was surprised that a run where i felt i was really blitzing it was slower than the one a day before

But then i realized i got the sack a lot later that run

[turbid needle]

^

All of my runs lately have been way longer.

When Big Bad first came out I think I had PBs all under 25 minute, maybe one or two under 20.

[stable oyster]

If you want to talk speedruns, speak with healian

He is an absolute madman

[turbid needle]

Fastest right now is just under 25 and my slowest weapon is over 30.

[charred ruin]

So if rail and spear aspects are all not great to build around, maybe there's a good hammer powerup that leads to consistent builds?

[turbid needle]

Oh, Eris is a fantastic Aspect.

[copper briar]

Haha I'll take the word of you guys for it, I'm still working my way up to reliably clearing on all weapons on relatively low heat

[turbid needle]

You'll make it, keep trying.

[copper briar]

I'm starting to get a bit of a feel on some of them which boons I'll how to manage my resources and stuff

[stable oyster]

Wr is approaching 11 min rn if I remember correctly

[copper briar]

It's a lot of fun

[turbid needle]

That's insane.

[stable oyster]

Yea

[copper briar]

What do you guys like to run with shield special?

err

spear special*

[stable oyster]

Artemis

But o don’t play spear much

[turbid needle]

I pretty much never use Special if I don't have Explosive Launcher.

[copper briar]

I feel like Artemis always ends up being a safe answer when Im not sure what to do haha

[charred ruin]

I find myself taking aphrodite on my main attack nowadays. great damage and also defensive bc of the weak

[stable oyster]

Yep

[turbid needle]

Crits are pretty good.

[copper briar]

Yeah ive been running aphrodite on bow special in a recent run

[turbid needle]

I think Aphrodite and Poseidon should switch modifier values.

[hard holly]

Spear Special is best with Explosive launcher

Then Aphrodite is useless and Poseidon the best choice again

[copper briar]

when i get the instant attack with some kind of debuff it hits really hard when you use bow special

[charred ruin]

why is aphrodite useless with the explosive launcher?

[hard holly]

Weve had this whole song and dance a lot, clearly the right option is to make their modifiers exactly equal

[copper briar]

Poseidon being good for "single shot" attacks?

[stable oyster]

What are your thoughts on how the dmg multiples on special boons are so much higher than on attack

[hard holly]

If she was to switch with Poseidon

Currently she is the best

Because her modifier is the highest

Generally I agree with making the special numbers higher

[charred ruin]

posiedon does nothing to bosses, aphrodite applies the weak

[hard holly]

But it may need a pass over

Poseidon does knocked them back actually

And has for a while

[stable oyster]

I personally thing aphro should be lower then average because of how powerful weak is

[turbid needle]

Poseidon can apply Rupture, but Aphrodite hits too hard for the utility she also provides.

[copper briar]

My initial gut feeling was that zeus would be cool on bow special but it seemed the thunder only procced once per volley on a single target haha

[hard holly]

Poseidon also gets a debuff on knockbacks that is pretty nice

We had that Ichoren

[copper briar]

So that ended up feeling a bit short on damage

[hard holly]

The result was that you never wanted to pick Aphrodite

[turbid needle]

Last time I got Thunder Flourish on the bow it worked.

[stable oyster]

Not as low as it was, just a little lower

[copper briar]

it was great for room clear

[hard holly]

Back then we didnt have the swap thing or the cahs in boons thing

[copper briar]

Just felt it didnt work super nicely for single target

[hard holly]

And I legitimately refused epic aphrodite boons every time I saw them because a rare Athena boon was miles better

Even a little lower leads to Aphrodite being undesirable

[copper briar]

Take my opinions with a fat pinch of salt though, im pretty novice to the game

[charred ruin]

I just noticed today that "next boon is X" doesn't go to waste if you choose different rooms

[stable oyster]

Also remember that aphro is a free ticket to privileged without requiring any supporting boons

[charred ruin]

I thought it just gives you the offer once, but it's much better than that.

[hard holly]

Uh, privileged was which one again?

[copper briar]

bonus damage with 2 debuffs

[turbid needle]

Privileged Status, that is.

[stable oyster]

50% if you have 2 debuff

[hard holly]

Ohhh, right

Thats true, but the thing is you get so many boons now

[copper briar]

So aphrodite has pretty big damage on the same shot that also applies a big debuff

[hard holly]

Its pretty easy to pick up a supporting boon anyway

[stable oyster]

Only 2 attack boons that contribute to that without requiring other boons are aphro and ares

[hard holly]

And the other ones like athenas are nasty

Dionysus?

[turbid needle]

And Dio.

[stable oyster]

Dio doesn’t count

[turbid needle]

Aphrodite is the only one who applies it on all four, though.

[hard holly]

Pretty sure he does

[stable oyster]

Bc you need to use dio

[turbid needle]

5, even.

[stable oyster]

I am anti dio

On main attack

[turbid needle]

I used to be anti-Dio.

[hard holly]

Dio is great though

[copper briar]

I always feel like I end up favouring athena dash

[hard holly]

On Rail

And flurry upgrades for spear and sword

[turbid needle]

Flurry Blade/Rail with Dio and your mind will change.

[hard holly]

Worse than Zeus, but still pretty good

[stable oyster]

Meh, I prefer ares on rail be far

[copper briar]

Is it just my gut feeling that it makes me feel like i avoid a lot more damage with her dash?

[hard holly]

Ares on the other hand is just bad on all attacks

[turbid needle]

Incorrect.

Even without Merciful End he hits blisteringly hard.

[stable oyster]

Actually, ares can be incredible with the ares Athena duo boon

[charred ruin]

Which shield aspect is best? #3 was worked well even at level 1 with the explosive return powerup

[hard holly]

I cant think of a single weapon where the DPS isnt much higher if you just use a better boon

[turbid needle]

Ares is incredible on his own.

Poseidon.

[hard holly]

On Rail, Dio and Zeus blow Ares out of the water

[stable oyster]

I consider aspect 3 to be best in shield

[hard holly]

Yeah but Poseidon sucks right now

[turbid needle]

Unless you're cornering every enemy, you hit them once and then chase them for twice as long as you spent attacking.

[hard holly]

Hence "better"

[stable oyster]

Dio is less dps then ares

And it’s harder to stack dio

[hollow matrix]

Ares is amazing

[hard holly]

On Rail Dio is much higher DPS

[hollow matrix]

I love him rn

Ive been poppin off

[hard holly]

Unless you get Heroic

[stable oyster]

Average epic poison boon is how much

[hard holly]

Dios scalings arent great

[stable oyster]

7?

[hard holly]

6

[stable oyster]

6 * 5 * 2 is 60 dps

At max

Hits 2 times per second

Right?

[copper briar]

Is there a way to scale dio up beyond multiple enemies etc?

[hard holly]

I think so, yeah

Ares has a 1.1 second delay

[turbid needle]

Flourish is 7 at Epic, Strike is 6.

[hard holly]

But if you hit just as the previous attack is still there

It doesnt do anything

Not sure how exactly that works out for the rail

But Id imagine youre looking at an Ares hit every 1.5 seconds on average, give or take

[turbid needle]

Your next bullet lands within frames of the Doom tick going off and resets it.

[stable oyster]

Well I’m just looking at the damage per second of the dots

[copper briar]

It would be nice if dio could refresh stacks with some boon so you could be ok lategame by trading dps for playing safely

[turbid needle]

Closer to 1.2.

[stable oyster]

You can time ares to be about 1.1-1.2

And epic ares is like 90

[hard holly]

Not been my experience with rail the one time I had Ares

[hollow matrix]

Like doom?

[hard holly]

Wait, they buffed Ares?

[turbid needle]

Epic Curse of Pain is 127-ish.

[hard holly]

When did that happen

[hollow matrix]

Epic ares is usually around 130

[turbid needle]

Agony is upper 90s.

[stable oyster]

No it’s not 127, 127 is special right?

[hard holly]

Yeah according to the wiki

[turbid needle]

Yeah, Agony is Attack and Pain is Special.

petition to change to Cursed Strike and Flourish

[lost sigil]

I'm doing a hestia run now with level 5 doom, curse of agony

damage is 175

[placid plinth]

30 win streak yeah!

[hard holly]

Thats weird

[hollow matrix]

Stacking ares boons is so nice

[stable oyster]

Nice!

[hard holly]

I cant find anything in the patchnotes that says that damage was increased

But it definitely was

[lost sigil]

https://imgur.com/a/x21a3Md

[hollow matrix]

Plus that one that gives more damage the more you reapply

[stable oyster]

I think it was always around 90 at epic level

[inland pebble]

Wait I thought Curse of Longing dmg will fade down overtime?

[turbid needle]

Curse of Longing does.

[placid plinth]

Well, it's including 25-ish streak on 0 heat before update 😄

[hard holly]

Nah, it was 40/30 before

[hollow matrix]

And the multiplicative damage buff one

[turbid needle]

It deals 25% of the previous hit.

[hollow matrix]

Is great

[hard holly]

The special actually had lower damage

But that was a while back

[stable oyster]

I swear it was always at least above 60

[hard holly]

Im talking common

Epic was, hm

[hollow matrix]

@lost sigil thats a usable build

[hard holly]

80-ish then?

[hollow matrix]

Just stack doom till you think itll kill

[hard holly]

Im confused though

When was that changed

[stable oyster]

Sounds right

[hard holly]

Why didnt I know it was changed

[stable oyster]

Idk

[hollow matrix]

It adds 10 extra damage

[hard holly]

I mean I guess itsb ecause I only pick Ares second

That does alter things a little

Zeus is still better than Ares on Rail, obviously

[stable oyster]

That’s why I’m a massive supporter of dio buffs

Yep

Zeus is wonderful

[lost sigil]

is rocket bomb better than the standard special on rail

[hard holly]

And on World Splitter, any bow build that uses perfect shot, spin spear and charge shield the other boons remain better

[lost sigil]

?

[stable oyster]

Jury is out

Most say it’s worse

[lost sigil]

I don't know if I like it

[hard holly]

As do they on spear special, sword special (I imagine) and Bow special

[lost sigil]

I don't like the stanrd either lol

[hard holly]

Ares is better on rail special though

[stable oyster]

Then dio?

[hard holly]

Nah, than Aphro

[stable oyster]

I like Athena because I stand in my blasts a lot

Also merciful end

Aphro is great too

[hard holly]

Used to be that aphro was just more damage

Actually it was Athena back then

So you never had a reason to pick Doom on basically anything

With the new numbers, it has some uses though

Curious

[lost sigil]

I've managed to crit hades for 5280

with a doom/ artemis build

[hard holly]

Jesus christ how

[lost sigil]

https://streamable.com/pedmw

doom is intensely strong if you can get the multipliers on it with artemis. it was a fun clear, barely got hit the whole run

apart from hades, I just face tanked lol

[stable oyster]

Let’s see, I got a 1 min hades fight last run

I didn’t even get the full setup I was going for

[copper briar]

I had a cast run earlier where I had 7 of them and they would rapid fire, then crit for 1200+ each, and dislodge for a lot of damage as well with sword special

That was the fastest I killed him

But it feels like it was a bit of "the stars aligned" in the boons i got

[stable oyster]

I’ve been meaning to try a cast build

[lost sigil]

haha yea, that seems like a very specific build. sounds fun

[stable oyster]

I mean it seems consistent, because as far as I know it doesn’t require any duos

[copper briar]

I had something like

221 cast damage with 10% crit chance, homes in on enemies
120 damage when cast dislodges
Special dislodges cast, +10% cast damage
Cast deals +72% damage
Special is 21% faster
Cast is 88% faster and fully automatic
+4 casts (7 total)

The main thing is that it had a lot of chaos and artemis boons but it feels like you could stil have it be strong without all that

[stable oyster]

Yea you can get that pretty consistently

Artemis can use the keepsake

[copper briar]

with the sword dislodge you dont rely on the one that dislodges them faster anymore

and you also then dont need the hermes one that returns them to you (but could be nice quality of life)

[stable oyster]

Exit wounds is basically required though

But that’s easy to get

[copper briar]

I actually didnt get it until the very end and didnt feel i needed it because one salvo killed two hydra heads for example

and then you dislodge them manually and fire again

ofc low heat

[stable oyster]

Exit wounds would add about 800 burst

[copper briar]

yeah it's really strong for sure, if you have that you dont need to get as lucky with the other stuff

[stable oyster]

Closer to 1000 at epic with a Pom

[copper briar]

i also had some hammers and athena reflect on my sword special which made it really safe to retrieve them or just for aoe rooms in styx etc

[stable oyster]

Did you have the Artemis boon that fires a second cast?

[copper briar]

no haha

though that would have been cool

[stable oyster]

That adds about 40% extra dmg

[copper briar]

really nice haha

[stable oyster]

Cast build sounds fun

[copper briar]

I was a bit worried that it would be too hard to get all the required boons but i suppose you're right in that it should be fine as long as you get a number of artemis ones

With the new heat system, do you guys for the mirror budget early? It feels that I'd rather keep that and make the game harder in other ways while hoping for powerful boon combos

[elfin pulsar]

havent tried it much yet, I really liked it with the last system tho

it made runs more luck based but it was just free heat if u were lucky

[placid plinth]

I'm starting to appreciate Artemis cast. I still believe, that even after update, it needs something more, at least in terms of damage, but crit is nice, and tracking actually can be useful. Not "lowest tier" at least now.

Still needs little bit more damage. Or more than 10% crit, because of limited nature of bloodstones

[elfin pulsar]

its also just boring

[stable oyster]

Idk I think it’s fine

[elfin pulsar]

its pretty much just the base cast but with some buffs

[stable oyster]

Highest single target dmg

[elfin pulsar]

the other ones are so much cooler and unique, that regardless of strength its just kinda lame

[placid plinth]

Eh, I wouldn't say so about highest single target. Crit rate is too low, Athena cast does more on single target

[stable oyster]

Idk I like it it looks cool and it does its job

[proud storm]

oh believe me it's not too low

[copper briar]

I quite like artemis cast also because if you're going for other main damage sources it's a way to reliably plant the debuff on off-screen mobs

[stable oyster]

What more could you really ask for

[proud storm]

unlike other casts it actually homes in on enemies

[stable oyster]

Nope all casts home a bit

[placid plinth]

I think, at least 15%, like Attack and Special, that you actually can use much more often

[proud storm]

artemis' more than the rest

[stable oyster]

But it homes MUCH more

[copper briar]

you can pretty much throw it the entirely opposite direction

[stable oyster]

Interesting thought, what if it scaled with distance (up to a point)

[placid plinth]

Ye, I was thinking that homing is boring, but it's actually really great. Especially when you have Hermes cast boon plus more bloodstones
Enter room - press RMB - everything is dead. What isn't dead - get it back with Poseidon

Her previous Wrath scaled with distance, it was great

[stable oyster]

It would encourage you to go for bank shots

[placid plinth]

I wouldn't be opposed for Cast to do this now

Though, probably not that dramatic increase as Wrath was

[copper briar]

Some of the mechanics in the aspects remind me of league somewhat haha. Achilles aspect on spear = jarvan, homing special on bow makes me feel like ashe

[placid plinth]

Like, maybe up to +30% or something

[amber torrent]

Not quite sure if this is gameplay, but when I met the new NPC, I couldn't give them an ambrosia bottle, does that happen for all NPCs?

[stable oyster]

Yea something small

The first time yes

Next time you meet you can

[amber torrent]

Alright, just wanted to check

Cause I just wanted that item, whatever it is

[elfin pulsar]

its awesome

havent died to the last boss yet while using it

[proud storm]

evergreen acorn

makes you ignore the first 4/6/8 hits from bosses

[copper briar]

I always use broken spearpoint in styx because it works so nicely against the annoying trash mobs there haha

Lots of low damage fast ticking attacks like the laser beams etc

Allows me to focus my defensive boons a bit more on the boss fight

[fleet oracle]

the sword went from being the weapon i simply start with 6 months ago, to my top two favorite weapons in game

love aspect 2

[elfin pulsar]

ye the sword is so sick

[copper briar]

Yeah the sword rose so hard in my favourites haha

[fleet oracle]

and its got a cool design on aspect 2

[copper briar]

makes me really excited about the last aspect tier of the weapons

and the last weapon ofc

[fleet oracle]

yeah man

i hope the last weapon is like, madusa's head or something......prolly not

it would probably be a hammer

[copper briar]

the sword ones are all cool, shield feels a bit more situational, i love the bow special, and the rail reload

[elfin pulsar]

a hammer makes sense

[fleet oracle]

just a big ol anime hammer

[elfin pulsar]

though I think we have 3 melee and 2 ranged weapons rn right?

[copper briar]

Hammer makes sense, maybe a whip

[elfin pulsar]

so maybe another ranged

[fleet oracle]

spear is a mix of both

[elfin pulsar]

fair enough

[fleet oracle]

and a hammer WOULD make sense, since there isnt a blunt weapon.

it could also just be another greek weapon

[copper briar]

Also it feels like a throwback to bastion haha

[placid plinth]

Cael hammer

[elfin pulsar]

also (its been a while) but there was a hammer in bastion rgiht?

yeah

[copper briar]

HOW ABOUT A BIG CHARIOT THAT YOU RIDE YEAAA

[pastel jolt]

[chants] magic weapon magic weapon magic weapon

[fleet oracle]

bastion had ALL the weapons, including a big ol pillar

[placid plinth]

Also I thought that whip would be cool - in a way that it's a unique type of weapon and stuff

[fleet oracle]

oh yeah, meg's whip

[copper briar]

Whips are quite a fan favourite in metroidvanias

So its not unthinkable

[fleet oracle]

i feel like it would be similar to the spear with its aoe

[copper briar]

Yeah thats a fair point

[elfin pulsar]

some kind of magic staff or wand would be super sick

[copper briar]

Maybe a spellbook, but i agree hammer seems likely

[fleet oracle]

a magic weapon could be it, though, now that i think about it

hammer or magic weapon.

[placid plinth]

Also dammit I need to replay Bastion some day, haven't played it in centuries

[fleet oracle]

i have no interests of going back to bastion for a while......too many sads

[lost sigil]

do people enjoy using the spear?

[fleet oracle]

i find it dull

[copper briar]

It feels like a magic weapon wouldn't soon happen though because of how Zags martial training by Achilles is a plot point

[elfin pulsar]

i like it, especially with the new achilles aspect

[copper briar]

And the fact that cast is something that can work with every other weapon

[fleet oracle]

yeah but with all the boons, he's practically a magician already

[placid plinth]

I don't like Spear aspects tbh. Achilles is too chaotic, and Hades is useless without Quick Spin

[elfin pulsar]

thats a good point about achilles ruunin

[fleet oracle]

oh, i know, gauntlets, like a monk

[elfin pulsar]

they probably wouldnt throw in a weapon achilles had no part in teaching

[copper briar]

I mean sure, but thematically he feels rooted in a more physical combat style

But I guess rail is already on the edge haha

[lost sigil]

I found myself in lava or traps most of the time with Achilles aspect lol

[elfin pulsar]

you really want quick spin on achilles too

[copper briar]

Rail in general is such a daring addition I love it

[elfin pulsar]

the damage boost from achilles applies to spin

so its real strong with quick spin and massive spin

[copper briar]

I went A big fat rocket launcher build the other day and it was insane thematically

[placid plinth]

IMO, Hades aspect needs to get superarmor on spin

[fleet oracle]

the railgun already makes that a meh point, but then again, zag isnt supposed to have it to begin with so it could just be that super powerful weapon in game

[placid plinth]

I.e. you get damage, but can't flinch

[copper briar]

Yeah the flinch made me decide not to invest in that too heavily for now

I can't see it being comfortable when I add more mobs with heat etc

[fleet oracle]

im just gonna stick to sword and rail gun

[placid plinth]

Unfortunately, I'm just a slave of Dark Thirst, I have to use weapon that it says to use, even though I don't particularly need Darkness now

[elfin pulsar]

i feel that lol

[fleet oracle]

critical special build on it allows me to melt bosses. does like 350 a hit

[copper briar]

I wasn't initially aware that they removed the single shot hammer boon for rail haha, I kept trying to get it together with the reload buff

[placid plinth]

Without DT, I wouldn't ever be able to decide what run to make

I'm so indecisive that I ordered a dice ring to make decisions IRL 😄

[elfin pulsar]

damn

your that demon slayer character

with teh coin flip

[copper briar]

Haha

I mean it's pretty valid

[placid plinth]

Ruunin, even if it wasn't removed, it would be useless, because Hestia aspect works only if you reload manually

[copper briar]

I always end up thinking of some build that would be totally fun to play, picking up the related weapon, and then getting absolutely the wrong boons

And I have a love hate relationship with it haha

[lost sigil]

https://streamable.com/x0704 - another doom build with some crit bombs and crit attacks

with hestia

[elfin pulsar]

doom critting is just obscene

[placid plinth]

Oh, I also never take God-specific keepsakes 😄 IMO, targeting specific build eventually becomes boring. Let the chance decide

Roll the dice

[copper briar]

One thing I want to explore more is the rockets on rail

[lost sigil]

@placid plinth binding of isaac style

[placid plinth]

Yep. Though, a little bit more control, because you still get 1-out-of-3 😄

[lost sigil]

the acorn is op as f for hades lol, allows you to be so aggressive i like it

[placid plinth]

Unless you take that pact thing, which I'm not going to

[elfin pulsar]

ye love the acorn for hades

[copper briar]

Yeah idk, boon lottery is one of my favourite mechanics in the game so I'm hesitant to take pact choices that reduce my chances to hit jackpots

[placid plinth]

DAE thinks that no boon is often better than Common boon? Unless it's on dash - in that case you get it for synergy and not for damage anyway

[elfin pulsar]

not since they added in boon swapping, kinda fixes that issue

also boon selling

[copper briar]

What triggers the boon swapping? I feel like it mostly happened when I got high rolls on two Gods and then a duo noon room

[placid plinth]

Boon selling - yeah, great thing, if you're lucky. But boon swapping just feels like one wasted boon - you could get something cool, but have to replace bad boon instead

[copper briar]

It typically resulted in really fun runs

Or am I thinking of the wrong thing

I've never had a boon I wanted to sell so far

[placid plinth]

From my experience, swapping is completely random

[elfin pulsar]

i usually sell some stuff in the last level

[copper briar]

To get the really nice ones I guess

[elfin pulsar]

some boons like explode on-death enemies get a lot worse vs hades

[placid plinth]

I often sell Common and even Rare stuff that I don't need for my current build

[copper briar]

Oh btw

If I sold e.g. my dash boon

Does it make it more likely a new boon offers a dash?

[placid plinth]

Also, mild offtopic, Privileged Status is one of the best mechanics in the game

[elfin pulsar]

no clue, I'd figure it was random but maybe not

and yeah I fully agree shaggy, so much better than the 100% backstab

[copper briar]

I feel like in earlier patches I would more regularly get offers to replace existing boons of the same type

Maybe I should try that if I have one I don't love but still kinda don't want to be without any at all

[placid plinth]

Okay, I'll go finish that Artemis cast run and will go to sleep, bye peoplez

[copper briar]

Enjoy!

[charred ruin]

what does snake oil add to the hydra boss battke?

[hollow matrix]

A head?

And a new arena

And a new mechanic

[charred ruin]

is it much harder?

[autumn tapir]

yes

much more fun though

[hard holly]

It also eats your gyros

[native ether]

I think I would like the new Relic to also work on Minibosses. Especially with how the number of possible minibosses per floor is now limited to 1, that would give the boon a bit more use.
Funnily enough, I would actually think this to be a nerf to the relic, as it "recharges" per floor afaik, and unless that were to change, it would mean minibosses would just soak up your free hits against hard bosses.

[hard holly]

Whats the new keepsake?

[proud storm]

evergreen acorn
makes you ignore the first 4/6/8 hits from bosses

[turbid needle]

... hmmm

[lost sigil]

very storng to put on after elysium

[turbid needle]

I think it's not normal to get 4 duos in one run ?

[stable oyster]

Certainly better luck than average

[turbid needle]

yeah... I got the Deadly Reversal, Merciful End, Venegeful Mood and Spent spirit at once

and it's with nemesis aspect...

Crits never end

[drowsy plover]

Hnngh, I have triple bombardment, should I take rocket bomb?

or inescapable blast? I'm in styx

(also piercing fire is option #3, but I think this is past all foes I need to pierce, and bonus damage to armor seems a poor choice at this point)

[hollow matrix]

I dont like rocket personally

[drowsy plover]

is it viable with x3 tho?

[hollow matrix]

Kinda?

[native ether]

Depends on how good your aim is

[hollow matrix]

I did a run with it

But if your super reliant on your special

I wouldnt

The cooldown is long

[drowsy plover]

and is hades effected by the slow from unescapable blast?

[native ether]

Are you pinpoint accurate with the rocket is more the question.

Bosses are unaffected by slows.

[drowsy plover]

;_;

it's such a big peeve for me that bosses are immune to conditions in a bunch of video games. like I get that they're tougher, but weh.

[hollow matrix]

Depends do you have good defensive options?

[drowsy plover]

not great, down to 1 DD, 250hp max, not very good with railgun

[hollow matrix]

Because when you finish firing the rockets you have to wait a longer time compared to normal

So youll be vunerable

If you can aim and ohko things its okay

But otherwise

[drowsy plover]

hmm. heck maybe i'll take piercing fire just to give me a boost through the rest of styx

[hollow matrix]

🤷

Do what you need

Inescapable blast is good

[drowsy plover]

😢 I need to win with the rail 😢 next time maybe.

[native ether]

Bosses are only immune to slows because it honestly makes them quite... uh... bad

imagine Asterius moving 50% slower. He'd be a piece of cake to dodge.

[drowsy plover]

oh I totally see the validity in not allowing bosses to be reduced to nothing with effects. charm-locking hades made him a chump.

[native ether]

Charm works on all bosses besides Hades, just at a heavily reduced rate

[drowsy plover]

but either a lower effect (10% or less) or only being slowed for a 1/5th of the time. could be neat

[stable oyster]

Not even Aphrodite can make hades like his son

[drowsy plover]

when did that get patched out?

[hollow matrix]

I think it was a joke

[stable oyster]

It was a joke

[hollow matrix]

Im bad at humour

[drowsy plover]

oh but cerb said it doesn't work on hades 😅

[stable oyster]

It dosent

That’s why

[drowsy plover]

but it used to the last time I played, is what I meant. my bad 😂

[stable oyster]

Because not even aphro can make him love you

[proud storm]

heightened security is all fun and games until you step on a plate in the styx temple and an axe falls on top of you for 300 damage

[fleet oracle]

when youre having fun but they put poison in the game

[hollow matrix]

Poison does suck but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I dunno

its a thing and it makes sense

[fleet oracle]

poison isnt ever fun, still a good game

yeah, makes sense or no, im not playing hades, a game about greek gods, for realism, y'know?

either way, i just spam dash everywhere until everyone dies

just spammin my crit sword aspect 2 build

[hollow matrix]

I feel like styx would be way too easy without it

[fleet oracle]

there are ways to make fights challenging without meh gimmics, y'know?

but i havent been a fan of poison in any game, so take that how you will

some like it

im just not part of that some. it isnt game breakingly annoying though, just mildly inconvenient

[hollow matrix]

it is what it is

I guess

[fleet oracle]

in the same way that having a hole on the big toe of my sock is kinda uncomfortable

for me the challenge in those areas comes from the close spaces covered in traps

and i love it

being able to get a hammer upgrade in hopes of getting the one i want is always welcome

but man, those purple keys are EXPENSIVE

1500 coins

anyone have advice on how to get the cash for that? cause im always like, 500 short by that point

[lost rose]

chaos?

could give you a boost

and taking hypnos' lunch money

[fleet oracle]

oh thats right, moolah boosts. thanks man, that completely crossed my mind

cause i wanna upgrade the aspect 2 of the sword as much as possible

so far its my favorite weapon in game

with aspect 2 of rail being my second since it gives a boost to all your damage, sooo goooood

aspect 2 sword reminds me of the machete from bastion

[orchid sonnet]

Any tips for "speed" runs? I'd love to use Lambent Plume and that time limit heat

[fleet oracle]

people like the sword for speedruns

[autumn tapir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2SVYecRrgM&feature=youtu.be

eris aspect is the new hestia aspect

spread fire + explosive shot turns the game into borderlands

[hard holly]

Wait, does Eris stack?

Also how are you shooting mid-dash?

[charred ruin]

aspect 3 is stronger than 2 for shield right?

[hollow matrix]

Most say so

I dont use the sheild enough

[charred ruin]

hmm which attack boon would be good with the rail+never having to reload powerup?

[hollow matrix]

zeus

[atomic panther]

Zeus, Dio, and Poseidon all work great with that

[charred ruin]

poseidon doesn't work on bosses right?

[naive cobalt]

He still afflicts rupture

And a lot of damage

[charred ruin]

is rupture weaker than stacked poison?

[proud storm]

depends

for poison to be effective you have to keep applying it

rupture stays a little while before wearing off

[charred ruin]

I've already did a poison rail run so now I'll try with poseidon

[turbid needle]

In terms of pure DPS, a full Poison stack deals twice as much DPS as Rupture at the same numerical value.

[charred ruin]

but poseidon also makes the attacks stronger so it evens out?

[proud storm]

id say for poison damage to be stronger than rupture youd need like at least 3 stacks of poison

[analog sail]

I have these boons. I have put cast on the Hydra, then triggered privileged status, then used Greater Call. I killed the Hydra from about 60% health, which skipped an entire phase of the fight.
... Should I this?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/518582220689244160/632687926282682379/Hades_00068.png

[proud storm]

oh this isnt new dw

[turbid needle]

Nope!

[charred ruin]

if you f10 it will delete the run i think

[proud storm]

no?

it just reports the bug

[analog sail]

it's not giving up

[charred ruin]

and then what?

[analog sail]

you continue the run

[turbid needle]

You resume the run.

[proud storm]

and then you can continue

[charred ruin]

i thought he was stuck

[analog sail]

no, the barge is very much there

I did kill Hydra, just... a lot quicker than usual

and a lot less heads

[lost rose]

You can F10 if you'd like but I feel like that's more feedback than bug

[analog sail]

Well as long as its intended it's fine

I just didn't think I could skip half of the boss

[lost rose]

I feel like it's less intended and more...not unintended, if that makes sense 😂

[limber copper]

Aphrodite legendary is no longer useless against bosses. Triple shot and dash for 8 quick applications of weak per second to constantly stun lock Hades.

[wet ocean]

Should Thunder Flourish (zeus special) do extra damage to the target hit by the special, or only others?

"Your Special causes a lightning bolt to strike nearby foes."

[sullen pawn]

is there a point to gifting after you have obtained the keepsake of an npc?

[eternal stag]

you unlock dialogue/conversation events at different affection milestones

so gifting repeatedly is the only way to get some conversations iirc

[autumn tapir]

@hard holly very late response

1. I don't think Eris does stack. If it does, it's a bug that I didn't notice.
2. Holding down attack while dashing keeps shooting (it will fire once regularly mid-dash, then a dash attack at the end). In this instance, I have 5 total dashes, so it weaves a lot of shots in between the dashes

[hard holly]

Huh

I never noticed that

[unkempt pagoda]

@wet ocean it causes an aoe lightning effect that damages the target and any foes near the target (within the aoe)

[fleet oracle]

over here using the shield as way to get more keys since i gavent really used it yet, and i gotta say, ive never had an easier time not getting hit by bosses

[tribal hornet]

Chiron Aspect Coronacht is kinda broken

[gloomy scroll]

and not hera aspect???

[tribal hornet]

i havent played with hera aspect yet

but im playing with chiron rn

and like one attack adn one special one shots everything

[hollow matrix]

Hera aspect is pretty good once you upgrade it more

Its just that you have to invest in your cast

I find it harder to build but generally more rewarding

[fleet oracle]

is thanatos gift good? 1.5% more damage for every encounter cleared without taking damage. imagine ittl be higher once i get it to tier 3

i imagine its also easy to rack up early game. but do you keep the % after unequiping it?

[quick rune]

So what are the Diamonds for?

[errant narwhal]

yeah, its really good if you can avoid the damage

[fleet oracle]

cosmetics and music

[errant narwhal]

but you dont keep it if you unequip it

[fleet oracle]

as well as trade for darkness

oh, well. hmmm

[quick rune]

Where do I get music?

[fleet oracle]

where you get all the cosmetics

[quick rune]

Ah okay

[fleet oracle]

gotta unlock the music box

for like

7 diamonds

iirc

[quick rune]

Gotcha, thanks

I'm digging the new update and weapon aspects

[fleet oracle]

right?

its so rad

[quick rune]

The rework to the spear dash is also really appreciated

[fleet oracle]

yeah'

tho i dont touch it due to me liking the sword and railgun

[quick rune]

Hah, I'm more of a shield guy

[fleet oracle]

aspect 2 on either is awesome

hmm, shield. to each their own

they should make thanatos keepsake stay after unequiping. so whatever % you acquire, you keep, but it doesnt stack anymore once you take it off so it doesnt raise after words. and what you got is what you got

[quick rune]

Agreed

Same with Hermes

Also why is lightning coursing around Zagreus? New visual update?

[fleet oracle]

That means an affect is present

I think

Lightning courses around zag when he absorbs the special on aspect two of the rail gun, signifying that he does increased damage until it runs out

[quick rune]

AH it's the two hita with bonus dmg after he dashes to his spear

Achilles aspect

Hits*

[fleet oracle]

Yep

[quick rune]

Damn I love the Achilles aspect

[fleet oracle]

It looks fun

Then again, it seems that aspect two of all the weapons impress me far more then the third aspect

[hard holly]

The problem if they did that, besides being hell to track

[fleet oracle]

Unless i was a caster, then aspect three of the sword would be my jam

[hard holly]

Is that those keepsakes would be kinda broken

[fleet oracle]

I dunno about broken

I think you mean, super rad and totally balanced

But yeah. It would basically be a must, but i wouldnt say hell to track

Imagine never getting hit throughout a run with the keepsake on......how much damage would that be

Cause ive had several runs now where as soon as i got the two boons ive been looking for, i stopped getting hit until the boss rooms

[naive cobalt]

I just ran two 25 heat runs. I got suuuper close to winning on the second one, but then I realized that I only need 24 heat for the statue, and .. felt very silly.
I never came even remotely close to getting through Elysium, much less Hades, on the old 60 heat challenge. I feel like the new pact is overall way easier.

[hard holly]

You get +25% extra damage on enemies for 1 heat, the equivalent 5 heat gave 50% last time

So the numbers were lowered at least

[naive cobalt]

Not having to stack up tons of enemy health and speed in order to meet the heat also helps. 3 furies and the harder bone hydra aren't too bad to deal with, and they make up a large portion of my heat.

I reckon that having these new OP weapon aspects helps lol

I am in love with the Chiron Bow, Dio special, and Aphrodite attack.

It's very easy to acquire, especially compared to a hunting blades build, and extremely potent. I think its damage output is comparable to a hunting blades build without Ares' legendary.

The hunting blades build is also a lot weaker this update, since hunter's mark disappears after a single crit.

[turbid needle]

@naive cobalt my general favourite with the Special Chiron is Artemis

[quick rune]

Just finished a run with Artemis Crit on Attacks and Specials, Chiron Aspect, Bonuses to Power Shot, Explosive Shot, Urge to Kill

Effectively started doing +800 dmg crits

[native ether]

Crits are insane atm

[elfin pulsar]

yeah the aphro attack, dio special with bow 2 is super dirty

heat requirements definitely got changed

u can get up to like 48 or 50 heat now

where before I think it was 200

[tawdry jackal]

Im extremelly stressed right now
just had my best run with Nemesis Blade, with a stupid OP Poseidon Cast build
Sweet Nectar was my 3rd boom so everything was pretty strong and was also my fastesr run so far in this update

but just after I defeat Hades, the gamw crashes, and the entire run is deleted, not even the last fight, all of it

and its not even the first time it has happened, more like the 6th, and its really tireskme

sorry being rude but im upset, I reported the bug back in june and it still persists...

what do I do?

[elfin pulsar]

dont think we can really do anything for you

submit a bug report this time too as detailed as you can

re-installing the game might possibly help

[junior sierra]

I can already tell that phase 2 of bone dragon is going to be my run killer.

[tawdry jackal]

I always report when it happens but I cant really do anything...
I think trying to printscreen the victory screen triggered it this time

[formal hill]

heeeyy so if im in combat, and i pause, would someone be willing to tell me if it will give up my run, or just save before that enounter?

bc my computer just freaked out 😂

[lost rose]

If you're in combat and have taken damage, it will give up

If you haven't taken damage, it would have saved at the start of the room and would bump you back there

Hard crashes tend to reset runs though.

[formal hill]

oof.... okay

that's it for my first sword run since unlocking all the new weapons 😭

[unkempt pagoda]

finally got my first win on the new update

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187458596559257600/632807769422168074/Hades_00029.png

i just wanted to farm for exit wounds but the game wouldn't give me artemis again

fortunately artemis double special on sword does more than enough damage :V

[vagrant hearth]

Oof. Not as bad as if it had been six wave-maker heads I suppose, but the Hydra with six lava-spitter heads is rough.

[opaque merlin]

So what happens right now if you go over the heat target? Like, do you have to do a full clear at each number, or does doing a clear at 5 get you "credit" for 1-4?

[vagrant hearth]

Is it just me or did they buff Asterius a little too hard? Like sheesh, I was doing great but then I just lost all three of my death defies against the duo because his attacks have gotten so hard to dodge (esp. while avoiding Theseus as well)

[native ether]

not just you

seems his new version is even more likely to hit you multiple times on some of his attacks

[vagrant hearth]

on the bright side, multi skewer + heartbreak flourish turned out to be fun as hell

[inland pebble]

@opaque merlin the bounties guide clearly needs to be more detailed/easier to understand. I have seen so many people having problems to understand it.

As far as I see, it's the latter one. You will get credits for 1-4 even when you are doing on 5 heats. (But I also saw one said that the rewards on lower heat somehow refreshes, so lucky you if that happens.)

I understand this designs for players to incrementally increase their skills, one heat at the time. (And it's a genius design!). But the bounties could definitely use better guides/explaination.

[opaque merlin]

It's frustrating as a more experienced player, since I'd rather just skip to 15-20 heat (and get access to those Erebus rooms), but I feel like I'll be missing out on cthonic keys if I do that

[inland pebble]

Nah. You can use as much heat as you want, but you will only take the bounties from the lower heat level up to your current heat level.

[opaque merlin]

ahhh

Well, that's better, though still annoying

[inland pebble]

@vagrant hearth welcome to the "So You Been Slammed To Dead By The New SuperStar Update Asterius?" support group!

@opaque merlin well, till better than having to clear bou ties on each level of heat mannually instead. I thought you like to skip to higher heat straight away instead?!?

[opaque merlin]

I agree that it's better. Would be nice to get the rewards faster for skipping ahead, though

[tawny viper]

Is it just me or is Asterius stronger than Hades with this latest update

That bull has been working out

[inland pebble]

@tawny viper Nooooooppeeee! It has been a concensus around here lately

[opaque merlin]

That jump attack lets him really turn on a dime >_>

[tawny viper]

Also, I’ve been noticing his charge has tighter control when he’s solo, but when fighting with Theseus he will run into walls much easier.

[inland pebble]

I just love the way how he defies gravity and and twirls around midway on air like a ballerina that he obviously is not, only to slam your face exactly where you're about to dash to instead.

Oh yeah! That's too! The mini fight with him has been mich tougher in general. Like if you don't kill those medusa heads, they will keep spawning and fill the room! Before that there seems to be a max limit of 2.

[fleet oracle]

ive never had an issue with the jump attack, i just walk under him and he overshoots and misses

[fleet oracle]

what does annoy me is status affects that also affect the screen, making things harder to see. alecto's rage, for example. its annoying sometimes. wish they would tone those down

also, holy crap. aspect two rail with zues's boons melts

melts faster than crit sword

[vagrant hearth]

I got past the duo without much trouble on this last run, still didn't make it past hades though

got my first legendary boon too! (hermes's, though not until styx so i didn't get much time to enjoy it)

[exotic tundra]

Wow, @vagrant hearth, congrats!

I honestly haven't even considered Hermes having a legendary boon

Now I must find out what it is!

[vagrant hearth]

me either, but yup, guess it's a thing!

[fleet oracle]

greater recall is nifty. allows me to do more damage to bosses due to boiling blood without having to manually pick up my cast

avoiding theseus' spear while the bull is still alive is rather difficult

[fleet oracle]

welp. ive got 6 death defiences. lets hope i dont lose any of them to the alysium boss so i can tackle the final one with all 6, or 7, once i equip the tooth

[lost sigil]

how do the DD stack with the tooth?

[fleet oracle]

the tooth is used up last

its just a free dd

[lost sigil]

depending on your heat I think 6 is more than enough, you're clearly not getting his 😄

[fleet oracle]

oof

[lost sigil]

ah I see. someone mentioned it to me when I had 6 DD, but I didn't need to use the tooth. I thought I was missing something

hit****

like some nice synergy

[fleet oracle]

recently ive been getting more unlucky with boons, so im not at a level of damage where i destroy everything before they can attack. so now i gotta learn to dodge a bit better.

[lost sigil]

yea, it's always harder when you actually have to dodge lol

What is the highest number of altering tokens you can get from the mirror?

[fleet oracle]

haha, yes. i have all 6. now i can just get a buncha upgrades in styx and hopefully kill the final boss

[fleet oracle]

yeehaw, finally beat him. i got the duo where when i deflect, i have a chance of crit, ended up doing 700 damage per rocket on rail, with the triple special shot. just melts bosses.

of course, i didnt finish this combo until the last upgrade in styx before the fight so i didnt really get to use it for long

and now, i can finally start getting more keys

[lost sigil]

feelsbad. just died when haes had .5 hp left

[shell trout]

How about a neutral Wrath power, you know a dull one just like the blood stone neutral cast that no one ever uses, just so that we could have something along a new centaur heart upgrade just for the wrath gauge.

[fleet oracle]

so how does the pact work. if i beat the gam on 2 heat on one weapon, can i go to the weapon i havent beaten it with adn reduce it to one heat for more rewards? or does that raise the minimum heat for all the weapons\

[placid plinth]

No, only for that weapon

[fleet oracle]

Awesome thanks

[green birch]

Proposal: Hypnos aspect on shield turns it into a pillow

[grand patrol]

omg yes

[fleet oracle]

one of those circular cushions

[green birch]

Yesss

[elder echo]

does the final boss have some sort of dodge negation? because he just wrecked me with 90% dodge chance x_x

[gloomy scroll]

how on earth

did you get 90% dodge

did you get plume for actually every chamber?

[manic ermine]

Plume+hermes dodge boon+dodge call buff. I do know that it doesn't stack to 100%, but it might be capped even lower than that.

[latent lotus]

i suspect they dont add lie that

[wind vale]

they changed how damage reductions worked before

so porbably did this here in a sililar fashion

(after they changed damage reductions it was possible to get over 100% dr)

after they made them stack additively

[latent lotus]

they probably check the attack and trigger separately. So instead of dodging 9 out of ten attacks. You instead dodge 3 out of ten (30% dodge). Of the 7 that get through, a second check is done so 5 get through (30% dodge), than of those 5 3.5 get through.

[wind vale]

that would basically be stacking them multiplicatively and sort of inconsistent after they changed the damage reductions the opposite direction

and also overshot it to get full invulnerability

anyways - wanted to spend lots of keys on the weapon aspects - i understand hestia got nerfed for shotgun build quite a bit?

how bad did it hit?

[elder echo]

Try got that right, I managed to snag a good Plume, a powerful dodge boon and doge call buff, with fast enough attacks to charge up the call faster than the buff expires. even if the stacking is multiplicative rather than additive, I should have still dodged about 66% of attacks, and I topped it off with VERY fast deflecting attacks, so even more hits should have been negated.
Still didn't help x_x how on earth people beat that final boss is beyond me.

[wind vale]

need a strong build there - really no idea how that didnt work tho

i guess many ways work but to me high damage is the best option

ofc you still need some survivability

but some hp increases and keeping the 3 death defiances is generally enough to make it out ok easy enough

so conserving them and not losing them (mostly to elysium, its boss, and styx) is also important

but i just had a build with so much damage that it almost only took a single attack from me between his invulnerabilities to push him to the next

i would say its mostly knowledge what creates a broken build(combined with a bit of luck to get something you recognize as one) and push for it early

and if it seems like the build is going nowhere just die and start again instead of forcing yourself to the end

[unkempt pagoda]

@neon umbra the feedback channel is for feedback about the game, not for gameplay/story suggestions (unless based on feedback)

[neon umbra]

@unkempt pagoda well hades as a game is really polished in gameplay what game is lacking is more immersive Greek mythology stuff and more story interactions

[naive cobalt]

I would love to see the titans. Maybe in an expansion or something.

I think they could really expand the mythos

[neon umbra]

It need more challenge not in pact of punishment sense

Like more bosses in each chambers because I am bored of fighting hydra

Agian

[wind vale]

i mean the 2 options in the pact sort of give that for the furies and the hydra even tho they dont give a new boss it feels new

[fleet oracle]

whats the highest you can upgrade the critical chance on aspect two of the sword

[unkempt pagoda]

i would include that reasoning then, if i were making that feedback

[wind vale]

starts at 15% and increases by 5% up to 35% at lvl5

[unkempt pagoda]

atm your feedback sounds like you just want something for the heck of it, which is probs why it's getting downvoted so heavily

[fleet oracle]

so 5 is the max level for aspects?

[wind vale]

yes

[fleet oracle]

alright, thanks

oh and as for more bosses and such, im sure more is to come seeing as how development for it wont be ending till the second half of 2020

remember when they added two more furies even though we already had hydra by that point?

[turbid needle]

• there are gonna be more weapons at least 2-3 ones

and more aspects to that

[fleet oracle]

I think theres only one weapon left

As well as one more aspect left for other weapons on top of the ones for the new pne

Its in the road map

But it seems that the final weapon is getting post poned for a bit, at least compared to their original plan

Im just hyped for possibly more boon synergies.

Who knows what they’ll give to the gods again. Everything keeps chainging with each update

I miss my crit bow. But it was too op to stay

[fleet oracle]

is there a way to self cast the rails special when using controllers? i just want to make sure that this is in fact not an option before posting feedback

[native ether]

as in aim the rail at yourself?

no idea actually, never played with gamepad

i assume the bombard automatically targets an enemy you're facing right?

[fleet oracle]

yeah, firing it where yous tand automatically as apposed to aiming it at yourself and stopping in place for a while due to it automaticallt target enemies around you

having a dedicated button for this would be nice

[native ether]

rail could use some help for gamepad tbh, its hard to aim that special

[fleet oracle]

because while it isnt an issue for mouse and keyboard, it is for controllers

ok, thanks. just wanted to make sure that it didnt already have a solution before heading to feedback. because i use the autoaim quite a bit with controllers

[rigid crane]

playing with the sword after the update feels super clunky, is this going to be addressed?

when you upgrade attack for that one-super-hit, the special takes over the attack even mid-animation

when you dont upgrade it the attack takes over special animation instead

and when you upgrade attack to small-fast-attacks, they take over special animation AND you can spam the 3x faster than spamming attack only, so spamming attack+special means 3x faster attacks and more dps

on top of that special with sword feels super clunky now, its hard to land it on correct direction

[unkempt pagoda]

currently in the middle of a hera bow hunting blades run... whew boi

[fleet oracle]

Is it good?

[unkempt pagoda]

very much so

imagine a regular hunting blades build but now you can set it far away enough that nothing can hit you

with fully loaded and burst cast i can have 12 seeking blade rifts on the screen at any time, and i don’t gotta be close to the enemies at all

[hard holly]

Should I keep my epic aphrodite attack boon

Or should I swap to a heroic artemis attack boon

On worldsplitter

I think Ill keep aphrodite, she is more consistently good

[atomic panther]

World Splitter 👀

[wind vale]

world splitter is great

but i would make it depend on being able to crit with aphrodite or not

with that i mean getting artemis athena duo to support it - best possible combo for hard hitters imo

[proud storm]

just had zag say "too bad i cant bottle this stuff" as he picked up ambrosia

[wind vale]

athena dash and its amazing

[proud storm]

dude... it's already in a bottle

[wind vale]

i think the too bad i cant bottle it is usually to drinking from a fountain when already full

[hard holly]

Ive got 666 gold

I kinda wish there was an easter egg for that

[fleet oracle]

zagreus says "wrong mythos" or something of the like. that could be neat

having attack, special and dash all be deflection based so the game becomes a mini game of timing your attacks to go out at the same time as the boss so you negate all the damage

[hard holly]

Interesting

The slower projectiles duo boon also decreases their range

Wait, Fully loaded is legit just Artemis's new legendary?

Thats kinda unexciting

[wind vale]

sadly yea

[hard holly]

Damn, I lost 3 death defies in Elysium

Stupid flame wheel rooms

Im a melee-only weapon

[wind vale]

in the same vein as they reduced the chaos boons giving additional casts they made the artemis one more rare - making you generally have less casts

[hard holly]

Does the piercing wave damage stack with the regular damage?

Ok, so the wave spawns behind the attack range, but more curiously

It doesnt benefit from boons at all

The upgrade is quite bad rn

[deep vault]

So I got a pretty intersting combo

Poseidon's blade + Artemis fully loaded + Artemis critical strikes + Artemis damage when bloodstones are dislodged + Hermes faster casts

[vagrant hearth]

I have two keys and can't decide which weapon aspect to unlock next (only one I already have unlocked is Zeus.)

[wind vale]

whatever you want to play obviously

getting all of them to lvl 1 isnt too bad - it just gets a bit grindy after that

so take whatever sounds most fun

[wind vale]

has anyone found a new interesting spear build? - only thing i can really work with is a cast build(supported with the achilles buff)

[gloomy scroll]

no idea, last two runs I tried with spear I actually lost

[wind vale]

yea i cant really fight with it myself - thats why i am asking

[deep vault]

yeah Spear is a big problem for me as well

Hades aspect ist kinda hard to deal with because it takes a while to charge up

[wind vale]

only way i see it working is to charge up while enemies spawn to have that buff to fight them normally

[deep vault]

yeah thats how I usually did it

feels bad against bosses though

[wind vale]

and you cant even focus on the spin attack itself since it doesnt buff itself

[deep vault]

anyways can only recommend going Artemis focused with Posideon Blade

I only lost because I lost 2 death defiances to traps in the satry lair

[wind vale]

oh so poseidon aspect sword with artemis cast

makes some sense

[gloomy scroll]

I like poseidon sword, of course my second ever run with it had 7 casts + exit wounds soooo

[deep vault]

yeh pretty much

[wind vale]

just to make sure - exit wounds trigger when knocked out

right?

[deep vault]

yup

[wind vale]

good

[deep vault]

with 6 stones lodged in thats like

1200 damage with one special

[wind vale]

was always thinking what cast to take with it

[deep vault]

i also had Hermes' thing that would increase cast speed

[wind vale]

but that sounds good since artemis makes it easier to get disodge

yea that seems almost necessary

[deep vault]

i mean it dislodges automatically bc of the special

[wind vale]

yea but the damage from dislodges is what would make it amazing

[deep vault]

oh yeah, but you don't need the faster dislodging for it, which is a seperate boon

[wind vale]

also about cast builds - i can only really recommend dionysus on the new bow - such insane damage

[deep vault]

I'm thinking going shield with Ares next, trying to get curse on special

[wind vale]

normal shield?

[deep vault]

probably chaos

[wind vale]

oh that also sounds fun

[deep vault]

certainly not Zeus

[gloomy scroll]

yeah I also had 6 cast hera bow dio cast

3 shot each of ||Hades'|| forms

[wind vale]

still trying to find a use for the zeus shield as well since it is fun controlling it but it never seems that powerful

might be if it was lvl5 tho

no idea

[hard holly]

There isnt anything new for spear but

Explosive launcher special builds, and quick spin spin builds are still good

[fleet oracle]

Pew pew

[wind vale]

and i would still always go for sword special or bow explosive shot over them

just cant see much good in the spear

[indigo compass]

i had some fun with the zeus aspect on shield , zeus on the special with jolt was pretty cool:)

[fleet oracle]

Triple crit rocket rail

[hard holly]

Sword special is a lot less safe, and bow explosive shot is honestly just bad

Bow triple shot is also less safe, but does way more damage

[wind vale]

lol

[hard holly]

Still, explosive launcher is the safes high damage build around Id say

[wind vale]

does hardly any damage compared to explosive shot

and sword special is super safe compared to spear spin

ofc not overall

[hard holly]

Fires way faster than explosive shot, and the damage isnt actually far behind

[wind vale]

explosive shot has combos with the hammer

creates the highest attacks in game

[hard holly]

Triple shot does, actually

[wind vale]

explosive can be combined with it

...

[hard holly]

Oh yeah

It can

But then youre standing still for a long time and hoping the boss doesnt attack you

[wind vale]

but i usually prefer the 2 shots now over the 3

specifically because i dont want to stand inside the boss

and the range is still huge, even reduced

and you can still get a 3rd hammer on top of explosive and it

[fleet oracle]

for the sword, getting the faster special is really nice

i do a special double hit crit build for it

its rad

special hits twice, its fast, and crit damage is more likely to happen with it being 2 hits rather than one

[wind vale]

its probably the one where hermes makes a good build really broken

[fleet oracle]

and if theyre marked, have fun. its just more crits, and more crits is good

[wind vale]

sadly the mark got nerfed as it did

but still strong for aoe

[fleet oracle]

i combine that with like poison attack so that theyre affected by two curses, giving me an aditional 50% more damage, and man, oof, it hurts everyone

thank you mirror

[wind vale]

i always go something artemis athena aphrodite

[fleet oracle]

yeah

[wind vale]

they dot duos making it insane and all do % damage

they got*

so i can combine it in many ways

[fleet oracle]

i now have my "melt everythin" build on the bow, sword and rail. now i gotta find it on spear and shield

[wind vale]

also take the athena curse exclusively to make sure i got the 2 curses from it even if it has hardly any use otherwise

at least not a consistent one

[fleet oracle]

nice, nice

[wind vale]

could try ares curse on either attack(with dashing wallop) or special and athena dash plus their duo

just smack and dash

(suggesting maybe using the special because special boonsare much stronger than attack ones)

[fleet oracle]

i gotta say though

my favorite builds are all on the sword

[wind vale]

sword is nice but i also like bow, especially with the new aspects, and the shotgun

and shield is always nice and easy but i prefer the other 3 even if i think its probably the strongest

just cant really like the spear

[fleet oracle]

shotgun

[wind vale]

but at least now i can fool around with the achilles special

[fleet oracle]

?

[wind vale]

spread fire gun build

based on constantly dash attacking with it to get a double shot of quickly which basically makes it 10 gun hits at a time

[fleet oracle]

pff

nah

[wind vale]

poison based quick fire is also nice

or if i get it working the duo poseidon zeus on it

zeus alone just doesnt do it tho

[fleet oracle]

my mirror is all maxed now......what good is darkness now

[wind vale]

for trading

[fleet oracle]

oh?

[wind vale]

the broker if you get lucky i mean

[fleet oracle]

what can i trade it for?

keys?

tell me its keys

[wind vale]

the new stuff or keys

[fleet oracle]

i need KEYS

awesome