Oh wow
#h1-builds-and-combat
dull flume
covert hatch
Still in the first area
dull flume
What weapon though?
covert hatch
Hera Coronacht
dull flume
Wait, the casty one?
covert hatch
Yeah
dull flume
If it was any other weapon I'd say the hammer
but I seriously just got a two win streak thanks to Hera's bow and artemis casting
covert hatch
I've got crit basic attack, lightning cast, and bonus armor damage on crits
covert hatch
I was honestly puzzling out a build for those two featuring the Posideon blade
But yeah fingers crossed I can swap out lightning for artemis cast
dull flume
Which one's that?
covert hatch
Second projectile on cast
dull flume
Daaang!
covert hatch
Seems deeeeeeec
dull flume
That sounds incredible
covert hatch
Fingers crossed that, should I manage to get back to the end, it doesn't crash this time lol
dull flume
When I last fought you know who, I had 6 spell slots, the crit cast, and "damage on dislodge"
I can not believe how fast both forms of him went down
gloomy scroll
well if it's any consolation lionheart I just finished a positively busted exit wounds + extra cast + poseidon sword run
^
dull flume
I may try that next
gloomy scroll
it was busted
dull flume
I really love these aspects
covert hatch
The only ones I'm meh on are the Rail ones
dull flume
Yeeeeah
covert hatch
But I just haven't brained out how to use them
dull flume
The rail's only good one is the zag aspect for the extra ammo
I have heavily mixed feelings about the blitz disc
covert hatch
Should I be swapping relics after the first floor?
Currently on the Adamant Arrowhead
hard holly
Depends, if youre using the stacking one, no, otherwise yeah
covert hatch
There's no way to get that to retrigger right
dull flume
If you have a god relic, most certainly do swap
dull flume
If it's the butterfly or Hermes: no. If it's any of the god ones? 100% yes
covert hatch
Swapping computers wiped my save so all I have right now is Posideon lol
For god relics
dull flume
You hit harder but it only casts the spells once
covert hatch
I'm between that and double special
hard holly
It probably doesnt
dull flume
I tried it
covert hatch
Side note, I do already have double damage power shots
How bad does it hit the range
gloomy scroll
hey uh
festive fog hera bow
is stupid
this has been a psa
I one shot each hydra head
and phase
covert hatch
oof
turbid needle
Had a Soul Catcher spawn out of area on my last run but forgot about the F10 bug reporting. captured a screenshot from the gameplay footage though but no way to post it?
opaque yacht
Maybe I found a bug (maybe it is known) but just to make sure, when you open the infernal trove, all the rooms and chaos wells are supposed to close right?
stable oyster
No, you can leave
opaque yacht
Oh, I thought everything closed before 
Okay then
Wait was it changed or I just noticed this after 80 escapes? LULW
stable oyster
idk
atomic panther
It's been like that for as long as I can remember
stable oyster
I still haven't ever done it, but others where talking about it for a while
opaque yacht
rugged horizon
so what happens to an epic boon if eurydice upgrades it?
it goes to heroic?
answer epic is the max
turbid needle
It becomes Heroic.
honest lagoon
Hi, i have a problem with the pact of punishment, i want to change the configuration (one made before the superstar update) but i can't access to it. Some videos show is now in the arsenal room but i don't know how to unlock it.
fossil wing
@honest lagoon please use F10 from your game to submit your issue. We would like to take a look and see if we can fix it.
honest lagoon
Done
formal hill
Hey I have a quick question (and pls ping me because I have the server muted) to get the ||weapon aspects|| I assume I have to beat the game with at least a single heat, right?
rugged horizon
@turbid needle just did it, with only 2 boons, 1 epic one rare, the epic one didnt change even though it said it got the boost
errant narwhal
@formal hill I don’t think so? I think chthonic keys are rewarded for beating bosses, or can be bought from the broker for other rewards that can be obtained from beating bosses...?
I’m not entirely sure how bounties work... someone feel free to correct me
they work how heat or a large sum or darkness previously were. now, you’re rewarded a chthonic key or a diamond
lost rose
I think she means literally unlocking the ability to equip aspects
like, getting it so the option is there in the weapons room
errant narwhal
ohh
rugged horizon
seriously i think they buggered up on the odds for the legendary of artemis and the former legendary turned reg, i havent seen that one once, where as ive gotten extra ammo nearly everytime
errant narwhal
I have no idea at all then, I’ve done that with the old pact by the update 🤔 you know better than me for sure
lost rose
kjdfhgd don't look at me
errant narwhal
aaaa
lost rose
i just squish the bugs
actually i don't even squish them, i scoop them up and take them into another room but that's beside the point
errant narwhal
put a plastic cup over them and slide a paper under them
formal hill
sorry, i suppose I should have been more clear, ><;;
I mean like, unlocking the other ones, i admit i only briefly skimmed bc I was really excited to get out and do another run
turbid needle
I do that with spiders, Ellis, but flies and other pests get the 
native ether
pssst bot is ded again
grand patrol
hahaaaa im 
bc i replied like it was gameplay channel bc there were no emojis
Its My Job To Add The Emojis
native ether
i thought it was the gameplay channel too cause it looked like normal conversation XD
styxbot pls
turbid needle
You should look out for Quick Spin.
median ridge
9 dds and over 400 health was not enough to beat hades
unless the spin becomes instantaneous its never going to be quick enough to stop me from getting bombed by everything
also the base spear damage is pitiful compared with other weapons
median ridge
ive done quick spin runs before. still didnt save me from getting my spins cancelled by everything attacking me
i do like the adjustment to the dash attack
spins are worthless against the faster enemies in the game particularly in asphodel and styx
styx was awwwwwful with 15 base damage and no aoe
subtle shale
wow the pact is completely different now, just started checking the update out
split yoke
elfin pulsar
i like spin for hitting spawning enemies
and the double spin hammer upgrade is fun too
its so completely useless if ur playing with the enemy armor pact tho
turbid needle
What. Double spin?
elfin pulsar
i meant both the spin upgrades, fast and massive
turbid needle
Oh, gotcha.
elfin pulsar
thats a sick idea tho
turbid needle
Kinda ripping Double Nova, though.
vague hearth
Chiron bow + immediate relentless barrage is a fun time
turbid needle
Oh yeah.
turbid needle
Well done!
manic ermine
I think something might be broken with rng, I have 55% for zeus bolts to repeat again but I'm getting triple bolts every time
turbid needle
No Splitting Bolt?
rugged apex
Chiron+Tempest Flourish+Sea Storm is super, super hilarious.
turbid needle
Blood and darkness.
manic ermine
I have splitting bolt, but that shouldn't be doing the damage of the original bolt should it?
its also creating the splitting bolt projectile for four hits
manic ermine
This was a zeus blessed run, I had legendary by fury, and only zeus boons till styx
frosty pier
Has anyone noticed that shield dash attack sometimes just miss completly?
rugged horizon
im a bow main, so im not sure, but reading the effects of the other weapons they feel underwhelming in comparison
errant narwhal
what, the aspects?
atomic panther
The sword got one that gives, at full rank, +50% damage to casts
errant narwhal
I love the blitz disc huhu it’s the first thing I unlocked
atomic panther
The blitz disc is also incredibly fun
errant narwhal
get some chaos boosts and crits on that bad boy
atomic panther
I've been having a lot of fun putting a Zeus buff on the blitz disc and having it follow me around leaving a trail of destruction
errant narwhal
and play catch with it while recalling it lol
errant narwhal
It gets faster when u recall it
atomic panther
8 at base, yeah, but it also applies special boons (and can't be blocked, I think) so it adds a fun utility
frosty pier
nonononononononononononon i'm a beast of habbit and breaking the playstyle of dash-attacking like a madman will literally break me xD
atomic panther
You get to attack while the blitz disc is out
austere spire
How to prevent Hades from using any of his moves at Phase 2. Check out the link above.
hard holly
The blitz disc is fine, but on the weaker side. But yeah, shield definitely got shafted with the aspects
Though Nemesis Aspect I also kinda rubbish, since it seems to go up to 35% only
manic ermine
only 35%
hard holly
Yeah for an effect that only lasts 2 seconds after using special, that's honestly not worth it
carmine zinc
The bow that shoot cast is really good with ares cast
hard holly
Wait, does it just spawn the bladerifts at the feet of the target you hit?
stable oyster
The other bow aspect is also super fun
trail sinew
What i can do with dimonds?
steep lark
If you charge one cast it will hit where the arrow lands
if you charge multiple sometimes they will all land on target and sometimes the first hits the target and the others launch at your feet
I personally like arts seekers with bow cause then you just have this swarm of needles one shotting things
turbid needle
Diamonds are for the house contractor. Such as buying music to play in the house
tough echo
Ok. Getting the hang of most of the Aspect so far.
I would like to ask for some tips of using Hera's and Zeus' Aspect, if anyone would like to share.
trail sinew
If there any Way to upgrade aspect faster? I mean its like what? 2 kays per full run?
tough echo
I only know two other ways:
- The wretcher broker at House of Hades.
- Charon shop at Temple of Styx
trail sinew
Yeah for 1500
stable oyster
It’s meant as an end game thing
trail sinew
And how many lvl of aspekt is there?
analog sail
Considering you get 2 keys per weapon per heat level I'd say getting the aspects you like to max shouldn't be an issue
solid solar
Huh. Zag aspects only have 1 level
steep lark
ok so with the gun the new rocket upgrade does it feel underwelming for anyone else?
solid solar
Are other aspects different?
proud storm
zag aspects are powerful enough to only need one level
tough echo
Yes, the rocket launcher is underwhelming.
proud storm
yes
solid solar
Man I love triple bomb I was hesitant to pick it for so long but Damn it's good for some bossses
Just lay down bombs and keep running around
hard holly
Yup it is there
kind marten
Triple bomb still works with rocket launcher. I had it yesterday. I honestly didn't think rocket launcher was that bad.
hard holly
Its good if you get a good boon for room clearing
proud storm
my rail runs are either an absolute nightmare or super fun
hard holly
Less good for bosses, arguably
proud storm
no inbetween
hard holly
I kinda dont like the Zag aspect on bow
It doesnt make the weapon more powerful, it just makes it less fun, if I understand it correctly
kind marten
Base bow can also be upgraded. That is the Zag aspect
hard holly
Yup
steep lark
right doesn't it just increase power shot time
kind marten
yup
hard holly
If I get it right, yes
So, its the same, but less timing reliant and arguably less fun
steep lark
could be useful
hard holly
I wouldve preferred if it did that and kept the previous powershot timing as a super-powershot timing
steep lark
I could seeing it being useful
hard holly
Which does even more damage
I mean its good for those who struggle with the timing, and its fine that that option exists
steep lark
Theres a few times I've been like a fraction of a second off
hard holly
Im just a bit miffed because I play bow precisely for its narrow timing
Its what makes bow fun
I can obviously just not upgrade it, but its a bit lame that I have to skip an aspect alltogether
steep lark
Rocket launcher feels very not good to aim like all my basic shots hit but the launcher misses
idk the zag aspects seem about the same across the board
hard holly
The others make the weapon better and/or more fun
The bow one just makes it less fun, while not increasing its power
Granted the shield one isnt exactly exciting either, its just a 10% damage reduction, but still
kind marten
Does anyone know if you also get bounties the first clear with each weapon with no heat? I jumped to do heat straight away. It shows ???? for all the areas but it's also green with a checkmark which would indicate something I've already done. Did I start with extra currency and didn't notice, or is it just a UI quirk and I skipped a heat level 0?
kind marten
Seems odd to have green checkmark then. But ty, I can get some easy peasy keys/gems.
hard holly
I do wonder how theyll handle aspects going forward
Cuz people spent some not that easy to obtain resources on them, so you cant change them all willy-nilly
steep lark
And it doesn't seem like you can get key/diamond on repeat runs
so you have to trade for them
hard holly
You just need to go on higher heat
steep lark
I get that? but that still means theres a finite number you can get from runs
hard holly
Oh thats what you mean
There is, yes
Im pretty sure its higher than the total amount needed, however
steep lark
And this is personal but a majority of the weapons do not feel fun to use
which makes getting the keys difficult cause its not fun and even more unenjoyable if I have to do it on higher heat ya know
Now I do have a question does each aspect of a weapon have its own clear?
bounties
blazing mulch
There are heat perks which doesn't rly change difficulty till you take another one so. But idk about which heat level you talk
Yes, each weapon have own bounties
Aspects are just 'mods', so no for the second part
steep lark
Dang I was hoping they would it woulda been fun
hard holly
I mean, if you dont use most of the weapons, you also dont use their aspects
Its not like you have a harder time upgrading
steep lark
True but I also want to try the aspect to see if they make the weapon more fun
blazing mulch
Well as you can notice when you take an aspect you just got an boon so it's still the same weapon
hard holly
You can do that in the Skelly room and Alt + F4 without saving
Its how I tried most of them
blazing mulch
Yeach, the game only save when you enter an room
steep lark
dang I wouldn't have wasted a decent handful of keys
hard holly
I think the only upgrade I havent checked out is Chiron Bow
Which I should it looks fun and powerful, but
steep lark
It is so much fun
hard holly
It kinda feels "cheaper", I guess?
hard holly
Alright, Im half-way through asphodel and I gotta say, Im not really impressed
Damn, why do I get only attack upgrades from the hammer on a special run
hard holly
Alright, so post-run impression of Chirons Bow is that its kinda ... mediocre?
The main issue I saw is a similiar one to the chaos aspect, that being if Im already hitting people with the bow, Id rather keep hitting with the bow
Granted, unlike Shield special the bow special, especially when you hit all shots, is actually worth using
But ultimately the damage wasnt as high as if I had gone for a normal bow build, I wasnt really any more mobile or flexible, and rooms with a lot of enemies were a pain, since the special shots dont pierce unlike the regular shots
hushed parrot
Does the Hermes Plume not work in the Satyr tunnels?
🤔
I'm using it there for the first time and I'm not getting the timer or any dodge rewards
atomic panther
The tunnels aren't considered encounters for the purposes of keepsakes. The keepsakes only count rooms that you get rewards in as encounters
Although the not getting dodge rewards is probably a bug
hushed parrot
So I'm guessing it would only work in the final rooms of the tunnels where you get the rewards?
atomic panther
Yep!
elfin pulsar
had a chiron aspect run at 15 heat and it felt like it made most things so easy
had dio special and aphro attack
and their duo boon
also got the double special hammer, which meant one attack+special applied the +50% damage boost and max poison stacks
definitely the best dps i've done with a range weapon this patch
elfin pulsar
the only thing I had trouble with was the boat event with the extra enemies
definitely want ur special to be spreading for that
also some of the cramped rooms in the 4th level were kinda scary for the same reason
hard holly
I had a Chiron build with Athena epic special boon ,and it felt kinda meh
The main issue is that each special did somewhere around 200 damage to one guy
But if I was playing regular bow, I could easily have been hitting upwards of 300 to multiple
atomic panther
Zeus doesn't work to that level of effectiveness with bow special iirc bc it only procs once per enemy hit
hard holly
I was under the impression that Zeus did not work with bow special
Yeah
Which is especially bad with Chiron
atomic panther
Zeus special does work with Zeus aspect, though
stable oyster
That’s odd
hard holly
Likely hardcoded
stable oyster
Dio procs multiple times tho
hard holly
Yeah but each dio hit isnt that strong compared to just buffing the base damage
And even that felt kinda eh
stable oyster
No I’m just saying it’s odd Zeus doesn’t
I think dio is bad
For main dmg
Good for supporting dmg
hard holly
Oh yeah
I think its hardcoded
Perhaps they were just worried that it would break things
Iunno
stable oyster
I mean, it would
but im still sad
I have a new pathway to break things tho
wait nvm they removed freak accident
Ok I have a third way to break things
gloomy scroll
Nice
manic ermine
Zeus used to trigger on every hit of the barrage
Now it can only damage once, but if you have the boon that repeats lightning strikes, you can get extra hits
open geode
i love it when i fight my way out of temptextdata. biomname with temptextdata.weaponname 🤣
grand patrol
thats the hades slogan, battle out of temptextdata.biomename
kind marten
"+ The Minotaur: updated some attack timings (he should be slightly more effective)" Jesus, I just fought my way out of Elyseum with 1 Death Defiance and, like 10 HP left. What on earth did they do to this guy. He hits like a truck now. Was his timings just so bad before?
elfin pulsar
so im on 12 heat right now when the bounty only needed 2
why am I not getting bounties
is it bugged or do I need to be at the level it says?
lost rose
gloomy scroll
also is it just me or did they nerf exit wounds hard with the advent of the aspects?
rugged horizon
@elfin pulsar basically it seems you have to go up 1 heat at a time for the bounties to work properly
open geode
Uh, i talked to master chaos and a dialogue about the aegis with chaos aspect popped up.. but i usd shield of chaos last run
not on the current run
pastel jolt
@open geode That's a known bug that'll be fixed in the next patch!
elfin pulsar
even doing a different weapon at 2 (what the pact said) I still got darkness from meg
sent another bug report
proud storm
awesome. every decimal counts https://i.imgur.com/iytllMj.jpg
analog sail
Didn't you know the game runs at 6E15 frames per second?
elfin pulsar
with the chaos aspect, charge shot and sudden charge you can turn the shield into the bow
elfin pulsar
its surprisingly fun
wet ocean
Lol, I just saw that decimal thing myself and nearly posted it 🙂
opaque yacht
I just got one of the worst rng in a run
I got THREE boons up to Hades
And zero that work good with the bow cast aspect
lost sigil
That's unfortunate. I just picked up the Chrion bow and doing a run now
it's insanely powerful with duo boon from aphordite and zeus, and with jolt
opaque yacht
I still got to Hades though, special with crits and daedalus upgrades is almost broken
lost sigil
did you kill hades? 😄
opaque yacht
Nah I quit the game before the battle
lost sigil
I'm trying to get the herart rend boon, not looking promising though
opaque yacht
And ofc I got the treats for cerberus in the last room 
grand pollen
Quick question for anyone who's tried it before posting something about it in feedback, has anyone felt Extreme Measures fights can feel incredibly different based on who the main fury is? I've barely struggled when the main one is Meg, beaten it probably 4-5 times now, but I just got a Tisiphone one, and literally burned through all 3 deaths defiances and lost.
grand pollen
I just like, after doing it once, fighting meg, and being fine, I was like cool, I'll run that heat pact a lot then cause I don't mind it, and then got her and just instantly lost. I don't mind fighting her normally, she seems fine, but adding the other two to specifically that fight seemed more brutal than the others.
opaque yacht
I think I obliterated all three but I had only three heat active
worn owl
I'm not getting bounties while at the correct heat level
vague hearth
So I tried using the zagreus aspect levelup with the attack speed boost
It's
something, I guess
worn owl
attack speed? what is that on?
vague hearth
I meant to say max ammo
I was thinking of my followup and made a mistake
It's probably gonna be better with the shotgun upgrade than the attack speed upgrade imo
Although
A zeus run would probably work really well with it
zippity zap time
The rocket upgrade is nice, and I can see strengths to using either bombard or rockets, so I appreciate that
Chiron bow is
So nice to use
I'm gonna try the nemesis blade and achilles spear soon
I've heard the rush is treacherous in asphodel
I still feel like the regular attack for the adamant rail is underwhelming no matter what I do
lost sigil
ok so duo zues aphrodite boon, with an electric attack on main and jolt dmg and passion dash isnice. so many stacking damage
vague hearth
I should have known
I barely ever use zues so I keep forgetting about his boons
hmmm
vague hearth
what would be a good special to synergise with that?
lost sigil
the special is the duo boon
lost sigil
yup, increases special damage and applies weak
lost sigil
super nice with chiron bow
vague hearth
I had my first clear with the chiron bow recently
I think it might honestly be a bit too strong
But
My first item was a hammer that gave me relentless barrage so that's probably biased
stable oyster
I really like it, but I’m not sure if it’s speedrun viable
vague hearth
I honestly love it
vague hearth
I always had a problem with the bow special and I love wha the chiron aspect does with it
Oh, absolutely
It rinses anything and everything
And the only drawback is that it sometimes knocks them out of special range
which just encourages more aggressive fighting
I love it
stable oyster
So the current thing I’m testing is Poseidon special with the Poseidon-Zeus duo
vague hearth
I obliterated most of the bosses insanely quick
and still had a death defiance left after clearing
Then I tried upgraded zagreus aspect adamant rail
got the attack speed and triple bombard boost
forgot about zeus attack boon so I decided on athena attack instead
Which admittedly isn't as good in practice as it is on paper
the inaccuracy is more of a problem than I expected
but I ended up getting artemis cast with fully automatic casting and fully loaded
as well as a good aphrodite special buff
so I was able to get by just fine
lost sigil
I honestly feel bow is too good. I need to try more weapons
Shield with damage reduction should be nice
native ether
3 boons sounds strange given that there should be 3 offered in Styx (2 from the chambers, 1 from the shop)
lost sigil
full weak/ damage reduction build.
vague hearth
The only part which didn't work all that well was the athena attack boon
lost sigil
deflect?
vague hearth
I had the opportunity to get a good dionysus attack boon and I probably should have taken it
lost sigil
yea can't see how that would work
native ether
atm honestly the rail is the best weapon in the game. Hestia Aspect + Spread Shot is an instant win.
vague hearth
I love the spread shot and poseidon attack combo
Heroic is the best quality of normal boons
lost sigil
I will try the rail tomorrow
vague hearth
legendary boons are unique
native ether
dunno how good Eris Aspect is atm given that it was just nerfed
lost sigil
I see. Thanks for the info
vague hearth
No problem, my man
lost sigil
I am still getting my head around duo boons, knowing how to get them and stuff
been using the wiki
game has changed so much since I last played, real nice
vague hearth
I know
lost sigil
peace out anyways guys, good luck with your experimenting
vague hearth
I was just thinking about how the game felt when it first came out
And how much it's changed
I remember when the blade was an actual joke and now it feels great
vague hearth
Or the casts being really annoying to hit with
Or aphrodite being stupidly overpowered
The game feels so much better
So many changes that have improved the game
And it just feels amazing
And every weapon feels great
I honestly can't wait to get home to play more
rugged horizon
- Fully Loaded (Artemis): rarity set to Legendary
- Support Fire (Artemis): no longer Legendary; effect now scales with rarity
has anyone seen support fire yet?
ive gotten fully loaded on nearly every single run, but havent gotten support fire once
tranquil ice
Hera Aspect bow and Blade Rifts are a really tasty combo
Got the seeking rifts + Burst Shot so now each loaded shot spawns 6 Blade Rifts on top of the enemy
rugged horizon
each atk, cast, special fires an extra homing shot for X dmg
it was the old legendary for artemis
im now seeing fully loaded a lot but support fire like never
atomic panther
Did it get removed or just moved around?
rugged horizon
it got changed from legendary to scaling
and fully loaded from scaling to legendary
gloomy scroll
does secondary fire work with hera aspect?
rugged horizon
thats why im trying to get it to figure that out
rugged horizon
but i havent seen it so i can't say how it functions
gloomy scroll
on the other hand this run shreds
rugged horizon
but they overlap a lot so its hard to notice
gloomy scroll
I basically 4 tapped asterius
rugged horizon
but for example with aphrodite you can hear it go off twice
seriously ive gotten fully loaded like every single time, theres no way my luck is that good
gloomy scroll
I just got triple shot I have broken everything
turbid needle
nerf minotaur
solid solar
I don't get what does fully automated casting do?
gloomy scroll
hold button it goes automatically
solid solar
I don't follow
Don't you need to press button to cast?
Or do you mean spits out all 3 or whatever shards?
Like machine gun
Never tried caster builds so I always avoided that part of Athena but with new bow 8t got me curious
rugged horizon
@solid solar basically instead of having to press RMB for each blood stone, pressing and holding RMB will fire all the blood stones sequencially
solid solar
Right.
grand pollen
https://imgur.com/a/mrzdsj2 Double Nova builds are way too fun
zenith trail
hey what happens if you have 2 trove trackers at the same time?
rugged horizon
1 at a time now
zenith trail
thank
brave bane
What gods do people like to go for with the bow?
hard holly
Aphrodite is the best one probably, Artemis is also nice
opaque yacht
Goddess of hunt with the bow duh
zenith trail
Whenever I use bow I try to stack as much attack damage as possible, Artemis is good for that.
brave bane
Turns out stacking 2 +68% special damage Chaos boons with a Heroic tier Artemis Special Boon and the Chiron Bow/double special projectiles is... Really really good
opaque yacht
@brave bane wtf that’s literally my current run
Except like I said I managed to get only 3 normal boons so my casts are garbage and I have a regular dash
And I have only Hades left so rip
brave bane
I have no dash or attack boon, I have an epic Zeus cast with the Artemis extra cast projectile and +3 casts boons
And 359 hp thanks to an Aphro boon
So is 359 HP and 4 extra lives good enough going into the final boss?
opaque yacht
I purged my zeus cast because it works kinda wonky with that cast charged bow
brave bane
Fair enough
It's great clear with double projectile
And I'm using Chiron Bow not the cast one
opaque yacht
Ah I c
opaque yacht
Also I’m not sure if “your cast shoots a second weaker projectile” works very well with this bow
I mean it doesn’t work at all but you still can get it
Oh I didn’t get the seek the target thingie
Sounds really strong
brave bane
It's good with any of the damage boosting specials
It's probably pretty bad with Ares or Dio
I want to try it with Zeus
And double lightning strikes
opaque yacht
I have Artemis crit special, it’s pretty good with that build because you get crits consistently
opaque yacht
Yeye
brave bane
So you kept seeing huge bursts of damage when a bunch of the seeking projectiles crit at once
opaque yacht
Well it can’t beat Ares spear special that I had last time with ~550 dmg dooms
brave bane
Ares spear is such a good build
tough echo
They didn't tweak the rocket launcher?
grand pollen
Just got a new PB on this update, https://imgur.com/a/v1gW53E
Crazy good run, super fun
elfin pulsar
335%...
did not realize poms scaled that well
what rank is ur aspect? thats the crit nova one right
very sweet run there
grand pollen
Rank 4 nemesis aspect IIRC, possibly rank 3 though.
elfin pulsar
bet you didnt attack much anyways
grand pollen
Not really lol. I have a youtube video of the run if you're interested, but not gonna post it here cause I feel like that self promotion is a bit much ;P Its in the actual tab for it.
rugged horizon
ok 46% more enemies chaos + max miniboss boost on the murder boat
turns out that is kind of hard
elfin pulsar
max miniboss and the upped normal enemies alone feels super tough to me
with chaos thats just gg
elfin pulsar
nice
rugged horizon
whats worse is it drained the heat clock a lot
grand pollen
Oh I lied, I had rank 2 Nemesis, forgot to upgrade it again after my game crashed.
rugged horizon
yea the murder boat and survivals really beat down the clock
rugged horizon
30s to beat hydra fml
elfin pulsar
is it even possible to do much better?
since u gotta wait for the head spawns
oh u mean thats all u have left
grand pollen
Hydra is a lot faster if you have the Pact for it on, everything is grouped up more.
Though I personally take a lot more damage too
manic ermine
There is a way to cheese hydra that saves a lot of time
grand pollen
?
manic ermine
If you deal enough damage in a singke hit you can skip phases
rugged horizon
yea couldnt beat it in 30s
rugged horizon
thanatos drains a lot of time too
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/632079022477803550/unknown.png
This is the money Zagreus of good luck. Reblog to earn enough to buy out the shop in Styx with 830 left over on your next run
wet dagger
havin a stupid moment, someone help me plz (totalz at me)
When does the Pact of Punishment appear over the exit? After a certain number of runs or after beating Big Bad first time?
frosty pier
@wet dagger I think now it's after the Big Bad.
manic ermine
I learned that Hades super laser doesn't hit you if you stand right on top of him
frosty pier
I think he also does not that pulse attack
I guess this is as close as they get to hugging eachother.
kind cloud
i don't understand aegis' blitz disc ability, i'm reluctant to use my keys to unlock it.
manic ermine
It turns your special into are's blade vortex effect and has no animation locks
kind cloud
so i unlocked it but i only have zag's ability active (ie increased damage resistance) for the shield. was i supposed to select something?
manic ermine
You need to click the larger tab to equip the aspect, unlock button does not equip the selection
naive cobalt
I love the blitz disc, because it can be recalled whenever I want
copper briar
It's also fun to recall it and then run away from it through enemies, with e.g. ares dash, because you can outrun it for a while and everything chasing you takes damage
The little rats and chariots for example
wind vale
gotta say one thing: i always used to say the best spear build is a cast build(like hunting blades or dislodge or whatever) and now the spear really supports cast builds(with achilles aspect) 🙂
turbid needle
I'm kinda enjoying every bit of Hera aspect with the dinoysus cast
wind vale
yea feels great to get the highest damage cast without that delay
turbid needle
it's more about the aoe...
rest of the casts feel awkward with it
Ares is too slippery without homing
wind vale
i mean most cast have some aoe
turbid needle
rest feel like they don't hit
wind vale
and yea ares just goes off everywhere
turbid needle
probably Athena/Zeus is pretty good I guess
wind vale
aphrodite also seemed good but i only tested it in one room
as in i reset and tested every cast switching keepsakes
turbid needle
I feel like Dio is best, then Athena then Zeus then the rest really
but then thats just me thinking about it
turbid needle
welcome to club, I feel his numbers are too low as they are
wind vale
i mean his cast but yea numbers for everything seem bad
tho i still want to try his shield aspect with his special
but else the only broken zeus build i had before the update was fast firing gun with poseidon on attack and zeus duo
(got that from someone here, forgot who)
wind vale
yea thats good tho i still wouldnt take him to get it since i would hate for him to appear more often
turbid needle
I love that about 1500 damage cast burst with hera aspect LUL
wind vale
the casts dont get buffed from power shot, right?
just clarifying since then im gonna try to go with instant shot
turbid needle
nah, they are not
wind vale
its just a bit annoying to aim but seems so good to combo
Also a clarification about that bounty stuff: do i get this right - every first kill of a boss for an area for each weapon and heat level gives 1 good reward and repeats give just darkness or whatever
weapon aspects dont matter
asking because the game kinda pushes to make be play 1 heat, then 2 and so on with each wepon but since i just tried to look at 0 heat and still get the good rewards im getting a bit confused
(for the first run that weapon on 0 after the patch ofc)
but basically thats the system?
turbid needle
yes, that's basically it
I'm playing at 5 heat already with bow
this feeling when I'm so fast that even minotaur couldn't catch me...
wind vale
thanks - i was just confused with recieving stuff at my 0 heat run now
can he still be too fast for his own good?
i mean if you increased the enemy speed and stood next to a wall if he ran into you he would just hit the wall instead
turbid needle
hmm
I mean that I was faster than he could possibly run
I was having like +70% move speed
wind vale
yea that sounds good
oh another stupid question - did the casts from the final boss always deal no damage and just debuff you?
turbid needle
not sure about that
I'm pretty sure it works like your own boiling blood
so it lodges inside character and you get dealt +50% damage
which is ouch level
wind vale
yea i get that and ofc its best to avoid that
i just saw that i still had full health even tho i caught 2 of them
might be that i still had the effect from the new keepsake and just didnt notice it
but then im not too happy i got the debuff(also i should have noticed it being there since its quite visible)
wind vale
nice
turbid needle
and I probably used one of the most hated heat modifiers right now ...
Extreme measures, Middle Management, Snake oil
wind vale
what is middle management
turbid needle
increased amount of elites in mini boss rooms
so if there is 1 mother of souls
you fight against 3 mother of souls LUL
turbid needle
if you get 1 power couple (Megagorgon + Mega Skullcrusher) u fight 2 more power couples
no, no 2 minotaurs
it's already hellish kinda without that
wind vale
but would be hillarious
but multiple megagorgons already happened with more enemies from chaos and doesnt seem too bad
turbid needle
yeah, just make sure you don't take more enemies modifier...
otherwise
oh it's such a great day
GET ZERG SWARM'D b... in Murder boat
wind vale
i always take that
about the dimonds - im trying to figure out if i should take from olympus or the exalted
quiet ledge
is bosses dropping darkness bug still present?
lost rose
shouldn't be
covert grove
So the new Double Nova and Hermes +30% special speed is pretty crazy https://clips.twitch.tv/SquareSpeedyCodTriHard
native ether
well... ummm... dang
lost sigil
that;s nice
So, my thinking with the adamant rail and the hestia aspect with infinity reload is you never have to reload to your shot should always be empowered. Is that right?
so your shot*
native ether
its the opposite
your shot will never be empowered afaik
cause you need to trigger a manual reload
lost sigil
Counter productive
lost rose
you can manually reload with infinity reload
lost rose
I Have No Idea
i had that thought too though and went to check it out the other day and found that i could reload
lost sigil
Does seem counter productive though, defeats the purpose of having infinity reload. would be nice if you could reload once and empower the shots indefinitely lol
lost rose
that sounds like it would be vaguely broken lol
lost sigil
too op I guess
native ether
Given how busted Spread Shot and Hestia is atm I'm glad that's not possible lol
native ether
even 1 fully empowered spread shot can with the right build delete a quarter of Hades' health.
lost sigil
I'm working on it in my current run
lost rose
anyways if any of you do want to try hestia with infinity chamber and you find it doesn't work i would be delighted to see that f10
native ether
tbh ive been avoiding infinity with Hestia because given that I have infinite ammo and the hammer says "you never have to reload" it implies the 2 upgrades dont work together
lost sigil
you can still proc the empowered shot though as you can still reload so it's not a complete waste
zero synergy though
native ether
given how often you want to trigger a manual reload though, you have no need for infinite ammo, so its likely the worst Hammer to pick up with Hestia
In general I think Hestia is a great upgrade... but its honestly really weird with how it interacts with everything
like one thing I noticed is Hestia shots don't explode if you have Explosive Fire
meaning they don't stun
lost sigil
The reload has always felt clunky to me anyways but I guess that's just down to my own play style
stable oyster
Play bow
lost sigil
Trying the new aspects though, it's a nice way to mix things up 😄
hard holly
Hestia Rail is busted with spreadshot
Especially because as it turns out
The new dash attack on rail is 2 quick attacks, both of which get the Hestia bonus
If you do it on spread fire, its 2 attacks with 5 projectiles, all with the Hestia bonus
stable oyster
It was
hard holly
Oh, was it changed?
stable oyster
Got nerfed yea
native ether
Uncertain cause afaik it could be a bug cause it wasnt in the patch notes
Adamant Rail (Hestia): empowered shot now activates only from a manual reload
That's the only listed change
But it only affects all the projectiles of a spread attack if you dash
which makes me think its possibly a bug
native ether
Doesn't look like its fully fixed tho
It seems like Adamant Rail + Hestia + Shotgun Spread is confusing or bugged: without a dash attack, your first shot is a single upgraded bullet and the rest are spread shots. With a dash attack, both are spread shots and upgraded. Maybe this is as intended, but changing one or the other would make the situation feel less wonky.
From feedback
stable oyster
Might as well make chaos aspect work with explosive return
native ether
That would be amazingly busted lmao
stable oyster
So many explosions
Even with just 2 it would be op
It is fully fixed, that’s how it’s intended to work
I think at least
Hard to parse
pastel jolt
i just unlocked chiron aspect for the bow and it's looking pretty nice with artemis special
lost sigil
are people upgrading their aspects with Cthonic keys or just unlocking more aspects for the weapons?
hard holly
I mean, making Chaos aspect work with explosive return would at least create a reason to use it
But honestly, Id prefer if they kept the spread fire interaction
Although, I like PearUhDoxs suggestion
If you can get it on every dash double-tap, its quite nice even on regular rail
pastel jolt
if i'm reading it right, does this mean that chrion aspect and relentless barrage (100% more special shots) don't stack?
......one way to find out i guess!
solid solar
Actually it's pretty great
solid solar
Yeah
pastel jolt
i just erased the soulcatcher boss
hard holly
They do
Chiron simply limits the shots from the 10 you get
At the start
Its pretty great when you get it
And incidentally, I think you can guarantee Relentless Barrag from the third hammer
Im not 100% on that though
rugged horizon
no its not guaranteed'
lost sigil
upgrade that chiron yo
hard holly
Not always, but I think you can always use a sequence that guarantees it
By eliminating options
pastel jolt
oh god, and i got hunting blades
i have 135% special damage, plus chaos gave me +61%, with +22% crit damage and exposed/marked status effects
oh i just realised i'm still on the previous patch
pastel jolt
this setup is not working nearly so well in styx
stable oyster
styx to your guns
hard holly
Yeah Styx is a bit painful
I do like the animation on Chirons bow
Especially when the arrows form a circle around the enemy, turn around, and hit them
pastel jolt
hey guys pls be proud of my this is the first + only time i've killed hades since the big bad update went live
glacial osprey
I love the new sword Special animation it looks fantastic but I am slightly sad I can no longer T pose on the haters
native ether
I've been dumping all my keys into the rail, but I've only been unlocking things on the rail
glacial pasture
homing special bow + chaos gate special damage up + 100% more special shots + artemis heroic chance on crit for special = bliss
ebon tusk
Does the rocket aug and the triple bomb aug for the rail stack? Or are they exclusive?
proud storm
why wont you offer me the last 2 music box tracks im missing instead https://i.imgur.com/BS50zNB.jpg
peak smelt
ebon tusk
More of a Deus Ex reference, but also that yeah.
drowsy plover
Does anyone know the scaling from additional keys spent? I'm reluctant to start investing in an effect until I know
copper briar
It slows down at some point
Some of the effects were 10% with the first 2 upgrades, the later ones 5% and cost more
So I think trying them all out won't set you back too far
The first upgrades cost 1/2/3 for rank 1 and each one after costs one more per rank I think
(might change at higher ranks)
hybrid frost
Does anyone know how the exogryph aspects, which all revolve around re-loading, work with infinity chamber?
stable oyster
You can still reload with infinity chamber, and it empowers your next shot
You need to trigger a manual reload
brave bane
Does Pulverizing Blow for the shield also remove Poseidon attack knockback?
stable oyster
No, unless they changed that
brave bane
Can confirm it doesn't, thanks
stable oyster
I remember because I was so sad when it happened to me
night rock
do you keep the bonus damage from pierced butterfly if you swap it out in the middle of a run?
autumn tapir
no
stable oyster
No
night rock
ty
native ether
Unfortunately no. I'd use it if it did.
I tried to use it today but I got smacked in the Hades fight because Broken Spearpoint is honestly a much better choice for survivability.
Prevents you from getting hit for 150 health in less than a second.
stable oyster
Yes, but so does dodging- Hypnos
native ether
Broken Spearpoint means I don't have to play as well :kappa:
shy ruin
hey, uhh, which channel do we report bugs in? just had a room where thanatos didn't, uhh, do anything. so it was thanatos: 0, zagreus: 33. lol
stable oyster
charred ruin
I can't seem to find good builds for the spear and railgun. which aspects are good with them?
hollow matrix
Rail gun zeus attack is always solid
Spear uhhh
Spear i always find to be super reliant on what hammer i get
So i tend to go general purpose till i get my fist hammer then specialize
charred ruin
the new form with the sweep isn't good?
hollow matrix
The punishing one?
Its good yeah
Its just spin attack gets very unreliable once enemies have high health and armor cause they have no flinch
So usually you want a soin attack hammer boon to help
But i find it better than nothing
So i usually go with hades aspect
drowsy plover
Achilles Aspect was how I got my first spear win! It's so good, spear with the mobility of a shield ❤
limber cipher
How am I supposed to get 5 billion darkness for the 10 rerolls?
drowsy plover
turn off the lights.
(really though, I think they're gonna rebalance darkness costs)
limber cipher
🔦
turbid needle
Before this last patch, all but one of the biome bosses dropped a big sack of Darkness, once you clear all of your bounties it begins rewarding Heat for bosses again.
hollow matrix
I mean the rerolls are meant to be darkness sinks
I don't think they'll rebalance those any time soon
as for the rest
I don't know what they'll do
unique pebble
Hey guys, first time here, I was wondering, is there some kind of run history, where we can see what we achieved or did in our previous runs? Because I wanted to know a combo I made with Zeus Boons and I don't remember what I used or what I did at all. 😦
vagrant hearth
Booooo. Theseus and Beefboy still beat me more often than not. 
worn owl
Divine strike, curse of pain, merciful end, and blitz disc is pretty insane
bronze sorrel
Any tips for the rail? its the only weapon I can't seem to beat the game with.
hushed crescent
I don't know if I'm supposed to post prints of gameplay here, so I'm just gonna say I'm really happy I finally beat the game for the first time o/
Love the spear, saved me, after 36 trys, I guess, that zagreus aspect is pretty strong, lvl1 +30% is pretty op I shall say
manic ermine
Rocket bomb damage is up to 80 now
bronze sorrel
Oh? Maybe a build focused on that then?
both the new aspects on the rail seem kinda underwhelming
at base damage the Erys aspect only adds 1 point of damage
kind cloud
i'm floored by the modification of aegis, the one that lets you hurl it like an ares cast and then call it back is awesome. I have zeus lightning on my dash and ares doom on my attack and special. it's like a permanent cast if you zig zag all over the room.
manic ermine
Eris aspect shines because it boosts all damage, even things that are usually hard to scale like cast/dash/call effects
hollow matrix
Rail + zeus is still a thing
Its pretty reliable and easy to obtain and will carry your through the first 2 zones
Then the rest is just building properly
Im trying to figuire out how to make hestia aspect work honestly
It feels a bit weak and doesnt really synergize with zeus like eris
tepid fiber
kind cloud
question: i'm no longer getting any of the chthonic (sp?) keys or diamonds. is it because i'm not using any heat on this run?
atomic star
I'm wondering: With all the concerns about speed running, what about an Infernal Pact option: "Hide and Go Treat" or "Always IN the Last Place" which causes the goal in the 4th biome to always be in the last wing (makes you full clear biome 4)
proud storm
Skelly's Law
lost sigil
hestia works well with spreadshot
lost sigil
currently in a Chrion run, first item daedalus with special 100% more shots. just killed fury and I have curse of longing (duo boon, doom affects continuously hit weak targets), faster special from hermes, special inflicts doom and basic attack inflicts weak. it's pretty strong so far ;p
can a boon that you have already been offered and skipped appear again?
Just answered my own question, you can 😄
wind vale
just need some clarification: i just did a 0 heat run with the sword after having done 1 and 2 heat before - these 1 and 2 heat runs had the bounties checked(havent tried if i can actually get them but ill believe the pact i cant) and after the 0 heat run they seem to have reset
that seems to have happened with other weapons before but i wasnt really sure i maybe misremembered
that is not some mechanic i am missing but a bug, right?
just asking before i report nonsense
lost sigil
@wind vale I have never came across this before, but don't think I've tested enough to notice
turbid needle
@hollow matrix hmm Hestia? best way is probably with Artemis and shotgun... though I'm not sure about interactions anymore with it... I remember it had distinct dash attack animation with shotgun before that was rocking everything pretty hard...
hollow matrix
Yeah dash shotgun just feels better
Also generally i dont like builds that are too reliant on rng
Like slapping zeus onto rail is simple and works
I guess the chips fall where they may tho
turbid needle
but then it feels like it got ninja nerfed
and it lost it's animation
honestly Hestia Aspect meanwhile strong, is in weird spot... just like the old hammer it basically was
manual reloading feels weird
lost sigil
ya I am not a fan of manual reloading, too clunk for me
Chiron so much smoother
just cleared with a Chiron build, highest crit on hades 5280
forgive the sloppy game play but I had 6x deaths defiance so just face tanked. realised I could have killed quicker if i used my artemis call
worthy dust
Hooo boy that was a spicy one
wave on every attack, and rapid attacks made for fast kills
The third hammer upg was a waste and I wished I had spent my cash at Charron buying boons instead
lost sigil
nice
worthy dust
I hate the sword special, if you are wondering why I don't have an upgrade for it lol
lost sigil
it's very meh
naive cobalt
I love it
Especially if I can get swift flourish for it
It's great with Artemis or Poseidon. If I get Artemis on special, then I hope for blight strike and pressure points. If I get Poseidon on special, then I'd be content with blight strike, but I really want the lightning strike and sea storm.
Poseidon/Dionysus does open up guaranteed epic boons, which is nice, tho
And after the nerf to hunter's mark, I feel like pressure points is a lot worse than it used to be.
latent lotus
Sword special with deflect is practical invunrability
naive cobalt
Say, has anybody gotten Eurydice to upgrade an epic boon to heroic? I've tried a few times, but it never happened to me. I might try to go into her chamber with only two boons, one being epic, and see what happens.
worthy dust
I received a double Epic to Heroic upgrade the first time I encountered Euridyce
worthy dust
Lvl 5. Thats gas
lost sigil
a lot of useless stuff in there, couldn't find a dash attack, but it didn't matter lol
worthy dust
lol
naive cobalt
No Athena DDs or lucky tooth? Smh
proud storm
i keep forgetting the asphodel murderboat with middle management is an experience
turbid needle
I love New and Improved Murderboat.
Even when I play like garbage and eat two DDs, even when I'm kinda salty that I never see the Megagorgon fight anymore, I love Murderboat.
fleet oracle
sword special hits twice, is really fast because of a boon, and does a tonna critival damage....oof. why do i even need the regular attack button at this point
doing a full goddess of the hunt run
and its so much crit damage right now
350 damage on crit hit
lost rose
That's so funny schpoon, I feel like I never see murderboat anymore 😂
lofty cedar
I love the murderboat
turbid needle
Speaking of, "Time for another voyage on the Barge of Death."
lofty cedar
I love the music during it
turbid needle
The Bloodless and the boss version of the main Asphodel track are underrated.
lofty cedar
Yeah, The Bloodless is like one of my top 3 songs in the soundtrack
placid plinth
Hey peoplez. What is your most favorite aspect for each weapon?
turbid needle
Nemesis, I don't use the spear, Chaos, Chiron, and Eris.
lofty cedar
I need to use other weapons more
turbid needle
I haven't NOT used the spear. I've got 20 clears with it.
lofty cedar
I'm gonna use the shield next run
unkempt pagoda
i haven't played hades in a while waiting for the new update and now i can't beat the final boss anymore >:V
pastel jolt
i'm wondering if aspects will make me actually want to use the shield
inland pebble
I haven't used the shield at all in this update. Chiron Bow is my best best friend now.
unkempt pagoda
but i really like chaos shield with explosive return and chiron bow
turbid needle
I haven't tried Zeus Aspect, but if you can't get down with Explosive Return nothing really changed with this.
pastel jolt
chiron bow is great fun
turbid needle
Chiron made me love Coronacht.
Now Varatha is the only weapon I'm not super amped to play.
unkempt pagoda
but chaos shield does still suffer from input buffering issues (which i find is the worst problem of playing shield in general)
inland pebble
The game keeps giving me Poseidon. So might as well, putting him to good use. Chiron bow Poseidon Special + Sea Storm and Jolted = bosses permanently being washed away by sea tides.
turbid needle
I haven't seen Poseidon yet with Chiron (though this run gave me both him and Dionysus in Styx when I had neither), but that sounds like it would finally make knockback tolerable.
inland pebble
I love the feeling where I can bully Theseus back by constantly putting him in a corner 😈😈.
lofty cedar
I've had one Poseidon boon in my last like 5 runs
pastel jolt
chiron + artemis is pretty sweet bc of Many Crits
inland pebble
Have anyone tried Chiron with Zeus Special? I see like the thunder only activates once? 🤦♂️🤔
pastel jolt
the main issue i've found is that it can be tricky to hit theseus with chiron bow, and also it really suffers in styx because of the cramped quarters
inland pebble
That's why I have been using Sea Storm instead
pastel jolt
even chiron's aspect won't save your shots if you fire them directly into a wall
inland pebble
Poseidon in Styx = not using your attacks first. Easy. You have less spreading arrows, so just aim the special more careful.
Also, once you got a target on lock, the special arrows will pierce everything on its way to the target. So I have the habit of aiming for sth in the far back, then let the Spc arrows piercing everything in front of me.
placid plinth
Argh, I'm in the middle of analysis paralysis unable to decide if I should invest in Eris or in Hestia.
I liked Eris more, but it was before it was so severely nerfed
And since I'm just a slave of Dark Thirst I can't start a run
hard holly
Best aspects would be Poseidon (probably, I havent played around with it yet but it looks sick on paper), Achilles (Hades unfortunately is kinda eh since it doesnt work on future spins), Zag Aspect or Zeus Aspect (both are kinda eh, theyre just shield with really minor upgrades), unupgraded Zag bow (upgrading it feels like a downgrade) and Hestia Rail (even post spread fire nerf)
Ones that are fine are Nemesis upgrade (only if you maxed it out, so idk about this), the zag aspects for all weapons but bow, Eris, Hades and the bow Aspects
Zags aspect for bow is probably the worst because it doesnt make the weapon better, it just makes it less fun
And chaos aspect suffers from wanting you to use special after a bullrush, when youd much rather just bullrush again as it does more damage, is safer, and generally more effective
stable oyster
Chaos aspect is good because it increases the chance that you get an instant shield return
hard holly
With explosive return, yeah?
I feel like explosive return loses effectiveness when you have to bullrush first
stable oyster
Yea
hard holly
So the faster shield return gets kinda counteracted by having to charge and finish the animation first
stable oyster
If you are going bullrush build you still want to work In instant return specials because it’s free dmg
Especially with doom
hard holly
Nah, because even "instant return" takes time to cast and, well, return for a bit
Id much rather have a dash attack and start the next bullrush just as my bullrush is ending
stable oyster
It takes very little time
I’m actually doing a frame by frame of it sometime soon
You can combine it with dash and get it basically instantly
hard holly
Really now?
When I played around with it I either couldnt special, or the special locked me out for half a second
stable oyster
I’ll get the frame data soon
hard holly
Thats interesting