#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 275

autumn tapir Sep 17, 2019, 1:35 AM

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is it just me or does Poseidon's Aid not activate Sea Storm?

stable oyster Sep 17, 2019, 4:00 AM

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Sword, maybe

river sequoia Sep 17, 2019, 5:58 AM

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I remember when you could dash during the shield's bull rush to change where you ended up

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it sucks that they removed that bit of tech

light nova Sep 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Did they? I think i still can do it

solid solar Sep 17, 2019, 7:09 PM

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i second shield as best weapon

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spear second best

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rail is great but its so short ranged

naive cobalt Sep 17, 2019, 7:52 PM

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I always try to get Dionysus' attack on exagryph

stable oyster Sep 17, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Wait but rail range is longer then spear range and shield range

solid solar Sep 17, 2019, 8:32 PM

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only the basic attack

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spear is best for special

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imo

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then you get bounces or explosive attack

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and go to town, rail range cant compete

gloomy scroll Sep 17, 2019, 8:35 PM

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But if you get Rail triple special it can be really powerful when used right and with a good boon

native ether Sep 17, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Rail's primary attack is more useful as a way to slow down enemies and keep them inside the special's AoE

inland pebble Sep 17, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Hold on. Am I the only one just found out that you can LEAVE the room while a trove chest challenge is still counting down?!?!

gloomy scroll Sep 17, 2019, 10:38 PM

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wait for real

inland pebble Sep 17, 2019, 10:41 PM

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I thought it was like a bug or sth. But now I'm watching other people playing the older patch. And holy molly! They just exited the room like "nope this is not worth it!"

autumn tapir Sep 17, 2019, 10:47 PM

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yeah I found out like last month

ember lotus Sep 18, 2019, 2:51 PM

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I've never tried that. If I spent the key, I wanted the obols.

gloomy scroll Sep 18, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Yeah I only open troves if I can shred it

stable oyster Sep 19, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Ok everyone, best cast boon in your opinion (non duo), go:

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Mine is Hermès

unkempt pagoda Sep 19, 2019, 1:13 PM

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athena, dio, aphro

stable oyster Sep 19, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Ooh spicy

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Any other takers?

grand patrol Sep 19, 2019, 1:14 PM

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dio, zeus

stable oyster Sep 19, 2019, 1:14 PM

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No rifters in the house?

native ether Sep 19, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Dio is incredibly underrated, so Dio

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Rifting is only good with Ares Legendary and Hunting Blades

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Too inaccurate otherwise

unkempt pagoda Sep 19, 2019, 1:15 PM

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~~lightning phalanx is underrated~~

native ether Sep 19, 2019, 1:15 PM

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For sure

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One of the highest single target casts being turned into a chain bounce

stable oyster Sep 19, 2019, 1:15 PM

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What is that ?

unkempt pagoda Sep 19, 2019, 1:15 PM

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zeus/athena duo

native ether Sep 19, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Makes Athena cast bounce between enemies

stable oyster Sep 19, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Oh

unkempt pagoda Sep 19, 2019, 1:15 PM

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makes your phalanx cast bounce

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and it can hit the same foe multiple times

stable oyster Sep 19, 2019, 1:17 PM

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My argument for Hermès is that there is no longer a time cost for casting on the middle of your attack string

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Ok now worst cast boon: go!

pastel jolt Sep 19, 2019, 1:31 PM

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aphrodite on a sword run

latent lotus Sep 19, 2019, 1:33 PM

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poseidon has the best cast boon, if you get them all. Synergy is absurd.

native ether Sep 19, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Still unfortunately mediocre on bosses imo, but for general wave clear he's pretty good.

stable oyster Sep 19, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Haha

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Wave

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Clear

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They did that on purpose

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Thoughts on Artemis cast anyone?

eternal stag Sep 19, 2019, 1:49 PM

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i really like it, actually

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dio/artemis are my favorites

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hunting blades is good, but i don't like the base ares cast too much, and i feel like the artemis homing cast is underrated

errant narwhal Sep 19, 2019, 1:50 PM

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i like artemis and ares cast on their own

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and i know the question said no duo but........ ~~lightning rod.........~~

eternal stag Sep 19, 2019, 1:51 PM

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lightning rod is pretty good

stable oyster Sep 19, 2019, 1:51 PM

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I like lightning rod because of how novel it is

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So unlike any other cast boon

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I wish there where more cast upgrades that played with cast stones on the ground

eternal stag Sep 19, 2019, 1:55 PM

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yeah agreed

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it's a nice dynamic

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my problem is i always pick them up too soon

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the chaos effect that keeps you from picking up your bloodstones + lightning rod is really Oh No, Please Don't Throw Me In The Briar Patch,

latent lotus Sep 19, 2019, 2:24 PM

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I just wish that if lightning rod is a boon you have there would be a way to choose not to pock up the stones.

native ether Sep 19, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Tbf it does lower the pick up radius

ember lotus Sep 19, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Exit Wounds

stable oyster Sep 19, 2019, 3:23 PM

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hm, exit is good

turbid needle Sep 19, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Lightning Rods rebalancing to striking in stuck enemies would make it much more worthwhile.

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Otherwise, yeah, it really just doesn't work without a build catered to it (doesn't help that Greater Recall is kinda strictly superior if you've got even a halfway decent Cast).

stable oyster Sep 19, 2019, 8:18 PM

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That would remove all of the novelty of the boon

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Or at least a lot of it

native ether Sep 19, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Would make it combo much better with Exit Wounds though.

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Lightning Rod is in this weird place where I want to use it but it's annoyingly hard to get value out of it cause I'll keep picking up the casts by accident.

inland pebble Sep 20, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Ugh, Dio's cast is such a drag, and the exact bldy reason why is that you cannot see anything going on in those clouds.
The other day I have a full Dio Lengendary/Zues Duo fantasy all nicely set up. Next thing you know, I can't see a bldy thing while fighting Minotaur and the OG gf deserter. Lost 2 bldy death defiances over it. Still bldy mad still this day.
Seriously the dev needs to do something/improve the visibility in those clouds. Make the silhouette(s)/outline(s) of the characters visible in those clouds, or just make them like a see-through sparkling mist or sth.

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:05 AM

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lucky for you, we have a channel where you can suggest changes like making the fog more transparent

inland pebble Sep 20, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Yeah, I did (shamelessly) write an email about it during that run to the dev. So if any devs are reading it/this, I'm bloody #sorrynotsorry about it! 😅👹

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:08 AM

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did you go to #hades-feedback

lost rose Sep 20, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Did you submit a bug report? I think I read that one haha

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:12 AM

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LOL

inland pebble Sep 20, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Yeah, sorry about it. Tried to make it a bit (funnier) for you guys to read through. I feel like Dio's cast still has room to grow. Dio's duo with Zeus feels like a less effective ripoff from Artemis/Zeus duo.
And it could be launched and landed a bit faster. The visibility issue, aside.

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:13 AM

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but seriously fren, post something in hades feedback, I 100% agree and there are probably others who feel the same way

lost rose Sep 20, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Bug reports aren't necessarily for feedback - usually it's better to share that in the feedback channel here!

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Let me rephrase that. Bug reports aren't for feedback, haha

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:13 AM

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read the pinned messages to learn how to post

lost rose Sep 20, 2019, 2:14 AM

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But yeah I've definitely seen messages in the feedback channel before about the opacity on those casts so like Ichoren says, there are plenty of folks who agree

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Also, try separating it into 2 parts, one about the transparency and one about the balance

inland pebble Sep 20, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Yeah, thank you two so much for letting me know how to communicate better 😅.

native ether Sep 20, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Dio's cast is incredibly strong and doesn't need any buffs. It could just use a touch of visual cleanup.

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It's got incredibly high damage and high AoE. It's always at least double the rail special damage and almost double the radius

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The only disadvantage to it is losing boiling blood which isn't that bad of a unless you're relying on it for a particular build (which usually you aren't)

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:07 PM

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@native ether I definitely agree that dd is way over tuned, along with thick skin (although to a lesser extent)

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However retro had only one dd and no points in thick skin,

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I definitely think they need a nerf, but I don’t think it would be enough

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how much effective hp does a full mirror give you

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200 bonus right

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Plus more if you get hearts

native ether Sep 20, 2019, 2:15 PM

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50 bonus from Thick Skin, 150 from 3 death defiances

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I think how strong they are is fine, they just need to be more expensive.

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~~retro is also just very good at roguelikes, to give him credit~~

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Oh yea definitely

native ether Sep 20, 2019, 2:20 PM

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In terms of the game itself I think I'd agree that the first half of the game is a tad too easy but I figure plans to adjust things are in the works.

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Honestly I think I would like to see a hydra rework, the difficulty of that fight basically boils down to how many wave heads you get on phases 2 and 3

native ether Sep 20, 2019, 2:21 PM

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I don't struggle on wave heads anymore. Used to but figured them out. I find the lava and spawn heads more difficult to deal with by far.

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They occupy space much better.

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Yea, but you can stand outside their range with most weapons

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And the main head has only one attack that can reach you on the outer rim

native ether Sep 20, 2019, 2:23 PM

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It doesn't matter if there's 6 heads and there's no safe area to stand tbf.

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Yea, but as soon as you kill one head

native ether Sep 20, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Once you learn the Hydra and get comfortable with it imo the only difficulty of the fight is what combination of heads you get in round 3.

But that's the case with any boss. Once you learn how to dodge it the risk goes down significantly.

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Yea, I agree that it’s natural for the difficulty to go down as you get better, but I don’t like the fact that hydra difficulty is so rng dependent

atomic panther Sep 20, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Just reinstalled Hades on my new laptop, time to power level before the update hits

stable oyster Sep 20, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Hell yea!

atomic panther Sep 20, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Already beaten Meg in only 11 minutes! The lack of second dash hurts me a lot, but I'm slowly getting used to it

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Welp, didn't get World Splitter, time to restart the save /j

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473685187780411405/624682605396361251/unknown.png?width=1192&height=671
My heart is beating out of my chest

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/624684595887210507/unknown.png
31 minutes, and well into Elysium. I'm happy with that

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/624685078521315347/unknown.png
And now for the important part

errant narwhal Sep 20, 2019, 7:16 PM

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damn, was that the first run?

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nice job

atomic panther Sep 20, 2019, 7:20 PM

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It was, yeah! Every time I start a new file (willingly or not ;-;) I get a chance to see just how much better I've gotten

blazing mulch Sep 20, 2019, 7:56 PM

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I've got the switch :)

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Switch https://imgur.com/gallery/sNfCaKF

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Switch

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Supergiants, now your move :P

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Ups bad Channel

atomic panther Sep 20, 2019, 8:19 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/624701187584950312/unknown.png
Cut through the Hydra like several thousand hot knives through a very large sculpture made of butter

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Across my three runs so far I've only seen a single hammer, and it was the shop before the Hydra. Did something happen to the appearance rate, or have I been very unlucky?

green birch Sep 20, 2019, 8:22 PM

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unlucky

atomic panther Sep 20, 2019, 8:32 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473685187780411405/624704451462037527/unknown.png?width=1192&height=671

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Wish me luck

green birch Sep 20, 2019, 8:37 PM

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good luck!

atomic panther Sep 20, 2019, 8:57 PM

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||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/624710497341669385/unknown.png||
HOO BOY the ||Satyrs|| gave me a lot of trouble but I'm still going strong. Think I can take down ||Hades|| on my third run?

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The answer was no, but I got him to half health on the second phase before he even did anything. These blade rifts are insane

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/624713206648274958/Hades_00010.png

gloomy scroll Sep 20, 2019, 9:07 PM

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damn ok

atomic panther Sep 20, 2019, 9:07 PM

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: (

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/624713204844462133/Hades_00011.png

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I've only found two ambrosia so far

errant narwhal Sep 20, 2019, 9:08 PM

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by the way, theres no need to spoiler tag screenshots in this channel!

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as long theyre not story spoilers of course.

atomic panther Sep 20, 2019, 9:09 PM

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I know it's not necessary, but I do want to leave at least that bit a surprise for the people who haven't gotten there yet

errant narwhal Sep 20, 2019, 9:09 PM

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hades isnt a spoiler here, but like, the one flashback's content is

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thats fair! im sorry then

atomic panther Sep 20, 2019, 9:11 PM

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No worries! I'm off to work now, maybe I'll give it another run when I'm off

atomic panther Sep 21, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Well, this is a fun bug (already used the f10 )

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/624828638277140480/Hades_00012.png

turbid needle Sep 21, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Looks like pre-nerf Fully Loaded working as intended at level 10.

atomic panther Sep 21, 2019, 4:47 AM

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Please note the 5 maximum bloodstones

turbid needle Sep 21, 2019, 4:47 AM

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You got me.

atomic panther Sep 21, 2019, 4:47 AM

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And the 11 bloodstones on screen

turbid needle Sep 21, 2019, 4:47 AM

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What even happened?

atomic panther Sep 21, 2019, 4:48 AM

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I can only assume it's because my extra cast from the Well of Charon ran out as I fired my last cast, then I fired another 3, then I got Fully Loaded for another 2 (which refilled my casts again, for some reason)

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I don't know why it kept refilling my casts

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It's all going away once I leave the room anyway, but this is really fun

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/624829387749064714/unknown.png
Zagreus voice: Sorry. You know how it is with ~~spaghetti~~ Bloodstones

native ether Sep 21, 2019, 5:39 AM

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The Dog Collar is still a crutch considering something like Myrmidon Bracer or Broken Spearpoint is much more effective in Styx.

atomic panther Sep 21, 2019, 6:30 AM

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12,236 damage on my Aphrodite Call, which is a new personal best (but iirc the record is over 17k)

turbid needle Sep 21, 2019, 6:33 AM

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I hit 20.

lost rose Sep 21, 2019, 7:59 AM

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Oh my god that's wild

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I'm going on vacation, otherwise I'd be begging to take that report 😂

light nova Sep 21, 2019, 11:59 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/MgQ3geL

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did it with 140 heat

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i don't know why

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but i can

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Add some bounty for high heat runs please ^__^

blazing mulch Sep 21, 2019, 12:14 PM

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achievements

light nova Sep 21, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Nooo, i mean something in game. Like clothes for Zag or other visual effects for gods ¯_(ツ)_/¯

austere spire Sep 21, 2019, 1:49 PM

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That’s impressive. I’m at 2 wins with around 3k darkness used. No heat. Grinding to max out the mirror for now

stable oyster Sep 21, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Um....

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You might want to forget about maxing the mirror for quite a bit of time

analog sail Sep 21, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Well it's possible if you don't try to go for fated authority right away

stable oyster Sep 21, 2019, 1:59 PM

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If you get everything but fated you are fine

stable oyster Sep 21, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Hey, @austere spire, I’m fine with you disagreeing with my feedback , and welcome some constructive criticism , but I think you fundamentally misunderstood what I (and others) where saying

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The issue isn’t that people are really good at the game after playing it for a long time (as with the example of the challenge mode dark souls run you gave). It’s that people on their first play through are progressing much faster then the story expects them too

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The ending of the game has the potential to play before the prologue

austere spire Sep 21, 2019, 3:31 PM

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@stable oyster Naah it’s ok. I have other games to play but I feel so much better with grinding on this one. Plus I’m too noob for the heat run anyway

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And yeah I didn’t mean to sound harsh. I understood what you were saying. SG games are trying something new where the story progresses each time you die. Just thought this may be out of reach for them. However difficult it is, there will at least be few people doing it like a walk in the park

stable oyster Sep 21, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Its all good, I just wanted to make sure you realized that I was talking about first time players who have had experience with roguelikes in general

austere spire Sep 21, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Yeah. This was my first rogue like game where I managed to reach the end. And plus it saves unlike some games

autumn tapir Sep 21, 2019, 4:25 PM

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If the difficulty does get increased, I hope it's just via darkness cost increases/extending Tartarus

stable oyster Sep 21, 2019, 4:28 PM

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I definitely think that death defy is under costed by a lot, they increased its heal to be 250% of what it used to be (20% of max to 50% of max) and like tripled the cost of them in wells, but it still costs the same amount of darkness and it still caps at 3

autumn tapir Sep 21, 2019, 11:30 PM

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yeah it offers too much for how cheap it is
the problem is not that the game is too easy, but that progression is too fast

stable oyster Sep 21, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Even with only one dd you can get extremely far early on

gloomy scroll Sep 22, 2019, 10:31 AM

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I feel like if the player has only one dd and they haven’t yet been able to upgrade their starting health, then it isn’t too busted if they’re a new player still getting used to enemies

vale sphinx Sep 22, 2019, 11:51 AM

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Huh. Turns out reward boons can spawn on top of lava lakes :D

gloomy scroll Sep 22, 2019, 11:59 AM

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Uh yeah I’ve seen that one, generally you can either get on the edge or dash-pickup-dash out

light nova Sep 22, 2019, 12:31 PM

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@austere spire i didn't understand your feedback. Which bananas, which bongos? What do you mean?

austere spire Sep 22, 2019, 12:50 PM

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@light nova look up Dark Souls bosses beaten with bananas or bongos . There are even some people who beat it without rolling or upgrading any stat.

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For Hades, someone should try without dashing but sounds impossible. You can at least sprint in DS

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Btw, is there any reason to gift the gods when you have already received the keepsakes from them?

grand patrol Sep 22, 2019, 12:55 PM

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friendship?

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extra conversations, just being generous, etc

stable oyster Sep 22, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Helping Artemis not feel alone anymore

austere spire Sep 22, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Hmm I have an idea on this so lemme put it on the feedback channel

stable oyster Sep 22, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Go for it!

austere spire Sep 22, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Because once you’re done with the keepsakes, it just serves good for the merchant in house of hades

unkempt pagoda Sep 22, 2019, 1:41 PM

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aren’t they currently working on resources 2.0? or is that in a future update

lost rose Sep 22, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Yep, that's the current focus!

light nova Sep 22, 2019, 3:06 PM

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@austere spire i don't know what are you talking about. I did the whole run to the Hades from the start. Without mirror at all, without Call. The only thing why i died it's cause Hades was imbalance. So you can make run without anything. But it will be deadly boring to run run run attack run run run.....

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even screenshots of it somewhere here

naive cobalt Sep 22, 2019, 6:32 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/GNdmbYL.png

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Oh dang nice

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Got a super Zeus-heavy build

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Attack, Cast, 10 bounces, epic Jolt, heroic Call

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At least I think heroic?

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It replaced another Olympian

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I didnt get flurry fire, but I did get infinity chamber and Hermes' attack boon

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Zeus' legendary feels underwhelming to me.

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As does his duo boon Lightning Rod

vocal bolt Sep 22, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Omg 25 min clear

stable oyster Sep 22, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Sweet!

turbid needle Sep 23, 2019, 6:27 AM

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Do miniboss rooms have a reduced chance for Duo boons? Went through both a Dio and Poseidon room in Asphodel only for Exclusive Access to appear in the boss shop.

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This is only the latest example in what I think qualifies as a pattern.

light nova Sep 23, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Who knows, that's a question for SG guys.

turbid needle Sep 23, 2019, 10:07 AM

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EPA, that should have been a melt machine. Did you get opportunities to level up Lightning Strike?

rapid holly Sep 23, 2019, 6:06 PM

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How does fated authority work? every time i reroll it gives me the same options

native ether Sep 23, 2019, 6:44 PM

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what rooms are you rerolling on?

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/580873135725740032/room_rewards.png?width=247&height=301

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yellow rooms cant roll into blue rooms, and vice versa

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Miniboss rooms will always reroll into another god boon, and boss rooms can't be rerolled.

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Rooms will also only reroll a set number of times. After a couple rolls they'll just reroll back into an earlier option.

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(usually there's 2 other options)

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My preferred usage for Fated Authority is to use them to roll miniboss chambers into gods that benefit creating a particular build

atomic panther Sep 23, 2019, 6:50 PM

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I usually only reroll Obols/Poms to try and get more Hammers/Boons (Hearts can stay but they're on thin ice)

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Also, the shop can be rerolled iirc but only the one directly before the boss room

rapid holly Sep 23, 2019, 7:06 PM

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got it

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Thanks, chaos

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:08 PM

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@rugged horizon currently when you quit out of a run it actually uses the same rng seed, so you get the same starting item, the only way to change it is to die or swap weapons

rugged horizon Sep 23, 2019, 11:09 PM

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im aware, and thats exploitable, thats the point im making

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idc either way, but its exploitable, just pick your poison

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:10 PM

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I’m confused, what is exploitable

rugged horizon Sep 23, 2019, 11:13 PM

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ok, lets say you choose zues for example

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go in

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you see atk epic, special rare, and dash common

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y

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youre on sword

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zues doesnt necessarily compliment the sword gameplay

naive cobalt Sep 23, 2019, 11:13 PM

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~~I'm guilty of that exploit~~

rugged horizon Sep 23, 2019, 11:14 PM

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you can return to the house, choose a different weapon to compliment the playstyle of that boon

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or a different god boon to compliment the rarities

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Doesn’t changing weapons change the rng seed tho?

rugged horizon Sep 23, 2019, 11:15 PM

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nope

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Hm, they must have changed that at somepoint or something

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Unless I’m misremembering

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:18 PM

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What would you say is the best trinket for the Hades fight? I usually swap to lucky tooth for the extra revive

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I also like the spiked collar though.

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Depends on your preference

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Most are good

green birch Sep 23, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Whispers skull earring skull earring

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Shhhhh

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Right now, I'm mainly playing with either the Sword or the Shield, and I've been trying to stack crit/deflect/doom mainly. Still haven't killed hades yet though. I think the extra revive is nice, but what else is helpful for the fight? Keep in mind I don't have all of the trinkets, just most.

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:25 PM

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I use Artemis keepsake almost exclusively

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Unless I’m going for a random build

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Is that to force a good crit bui;d?

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build *

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Basically yea

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Also, is broken spearpoint good? I've never used it. It seems good based off of what it says, but bad in gameplay.

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:26 PM

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I’m also a member of the official pierced butterfly hype train(tm)

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Spear point is generally considered good yea

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Is that damage permanent or temporary?

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Permanent as long as you keep it on

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Oh? Wouldn't the hermes one be better then?

naive cobalt Sep 23, 2019, 11:27 PM

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I take the doggy collar foe Hades

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60 hp cant go wrong

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:28 PM

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But MORE DEEPS

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Ah, ichoren, you're one that likes to kill them before they can kill you

naive cobalt Sep 23, 2019, 11:28 PM

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I used to get skull earring, but I feel like it doesn't do as much for me Idk

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Hermès is hard to get on heated runs

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:28 PM

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How do you get the Pierced Butterfly? I've never met Thanatos.

naive cobalt Sep 23, 2019, 11:28 PM

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How many attempts have you run?

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:29 PM

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I think I have 15 right now

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With 12 going to Hades

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And 0 completes

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:29 PM

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But if you take enough damage to not get value from butterfly on a heated run you’re already dead

naive cobalt Sep 23, 2019, 11:29 PM

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I know that he can appear before then, so I guess you've just gotten unlucky. :/

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:30 PM

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oof

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How do you get him to spawn?

naive cobalt Sep 23, 2019, 11:30 PM

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It's all chance

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Oof

naive cobalt Sep 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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I find in my main save that he shows up in 1/4 or 1/5 of my attempts? So surely he must show up for you soon

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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I hope so.

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Where does he spawn?

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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South of where acc usually is

cursive finch Sep 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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acc?

stable oyster Sep 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Achilles my b

green birch Sep 23, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Thanatos can only appear after the 23rd run of the game I believe

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so you're about 8 runs short

unkempt pagoda Sep 23, 2019, 11:48 PM

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imo i don't think restarting a run is much of an exploit, as hades isn't a competitive game

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if you get a bad seed, you could just die and get a better one, is this an exploit? and even if it is, is it even worth looking out for?

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same concept for restarting a run and repicking weapons/keepsakes and such

lost rose Sep 24, 2019, 12:04 AM

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@cursive finch like Seren said, Thanatos only starts appearing after 23 completed runs. He'll show up randomly at certain depths in the field if you've taken damage recently. If you meet him in the field, he'll also be at the House when you get back.

cursive finch Sep 24, 2019, 12:05 AM

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So I have to kill Hades 23 times? @lost rose

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Or is it just on my 23rd run, failed or won

lost rose Sep 24, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Noo sorry, just starting from your 24th run blobsmilesweat

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Win or lose

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Hmm I must've had a bad memory cause I could've sworn I saw him on my early game save. But I misremember things alllll the time hehe

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 1:12 PM

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One thing that I think might be getting lost in translation with some of the talk around difficulty playing out in the feedback (and this is purely my conjecture) is a misunderstanding over the arguments around the games difficulty. Namely I don't think anyone is suggesting that the difficulty of the biomes, enemies, bosses etc. need tweaking upward but rather that certain mechanics - specifically Death Defiance and thick skin on the mirror - need tweaking downward. These abilities are either too cheap in darkness cost, available too early via their position on the mirror or give too much health in general (especially in the case of DDs). I definitely agree that Hades shouldn't go the route of Dead Cells were the 'true' ending is only experienced by the top percentile of players.

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Additionally, the topic of my original post was actually the opposite of what it is said to be in @finite geyser s recent feedback post, it was about keeping experienced players from blazing through the game before they experience the story (which is currently based on number of runs instead of how far you get)

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I never said anything about keeping inexperienced players in early stages, in fact, most of the discussion has focused around how to avoid doing this.

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 1:39 PM

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I imagine it'll be a tricky thing to balance as they head into 1.0 - how do you parse out story information without gating progress?

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 1:40 PM

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They definitely have their work cut out for them lol

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I believe in them though

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They made wizard basketball with reading work so...

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 1:41 PM

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LOL, true.

finite geyser Sep 24, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@stable oyster I didn't meant to misinterpret your idea, sorry. My main point was against "increasing the difficulty of the furies to keep players in tartarus". Combined with other feedback posts around that, I interpreted this as a solution for the problem which you have proposed. As you say, a solution is necessary

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 1:55 PM

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It’s all good, I actually completely agree that the games progression is great for the seeds experienced players, and that sgg should preserve this

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I have been talking with some other people about ways to do both, and I plan on posting one sometime tomorrow

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 1:56 PM

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I'm definitely not for super buffing the heck out of the game, but I do think the game in its current state is really easy to beat before run 22.

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Which would mean if a player chooses to not play heated runs after, they would miss out on Thanatos entirely, for example.

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I definitely don't think Tartarus needs a direct difficulty increase, which is why I've focused my feedback on nerfing the mirror of night, as the Mirror honestly feels like a stat crutch to me right now.

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 1:59 PM

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My main issue with the mirror is the cost of dd

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For 20 darkness you get 25 more Lo

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Hp

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Yeah that's also my issue tbh. It's rather cheap for how ridiculously effective it is.

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Compare that cost efficiency to thick skin

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:00 PM

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I personally also think that Thick Skin shouldn't be a perk and that's just cause of how much easier it makes your decision making in the first half of a run.

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"Do I take heart or boon?" With thick skin the answer is always "boon"

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Yeah, hearts just aren't that useful in general after a certain point

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:01 PM

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I don't even take Hearts until Elysium anymore because there they're offered in extreme supply and I don't need them until Elysium

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I think to a lesser degree Deep Pockets has the same problem.

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Thick Skin devalues Centaur Hearts and Deep Pockets devalues Obol Rooms.

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:02 PM

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deep pockets is another one - it's very easy to accumulate so much obol as to near enough clear the final shop

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Even Hypnos's trinket is a little on the generous side once you max it out

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:04 PM

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I believe that thick skin was originally a placeholder

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:05 PM

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The keepsake I think is fine cause it takes your keepsake slot

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I'd prefer if Thick Skin and Deep Pockets increased the effectiveness of Centaur Heart and Obol Rooms by a percentage, and had less levels.

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:05 PM

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They had to remove a mirror option that allowed you to heal back dmg if you attacked within a certain time

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:07 PM

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I guess that's spiritually come back with Hermes' boon, but I never take it because I think that actual speed / dash increases are almost always more useful.

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:08 PM

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It was like 60%

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Ahhh

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:08 PM

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I think my 'dislike' of the trinket stems from the fact I finds it's use a no-brainer in Tartarus. Biome 1: Take the free money, then in Asphodel and Elysium use God trinkets to refine my build and finally spearpoint for Styx

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unless I'm trying to buff up Hermes or Thanatos's trinkets, I don't see anything else worth using for Tartarus

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:08 PM

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I mean in biome 1 I always take a god perk

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:08 PM

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I prefer the doggy collar to the spearpoint, but yeah I agree

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:09 PM

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yes God trinket is good if your aiming for certain build (or trying) but otherwise

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:09 PM

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I really dont like the butterfly or the plume, personally.

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Take the god perk to start building a specific run. Then use your fated authority to reroll the miniboss room into something that compliments your choice.

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Plume is neat but not good. It needs a buff.

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Pierced butterfly HYPE SQUAD rise up!

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:09 PM

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I used to start with god keepsakes, but I kept getting frustrated each time that my build didn't work out how I wanted. So now I just try to go with the flow.

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:10 PM

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same

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:10 PM

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You really need Fated Authority to make the god boons work nowadays

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Unless you use Artemis

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Bc she only needs hunters mark

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:11 PM

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(which imo Fated Authority should be cheaper, its fun to use, encourages going for specific strategies, and isn't as powerful as it's cost suggests)

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:11 PM

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yeah, fated authority is way to pricey

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:11 PM

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I don't actually find Hunter's Mark that good tbh but that's mainly because I'm a rail player and it's not very helpful there.

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:11 PM

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i think buffing the level of boons is a far more powerful unlock

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Oh you play rail

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I’m so sorry

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😉

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Rail squad unite

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Lol

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:12 PM

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I actually secondary rail

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Iirc I need like 40k darkness for my next fated authority and like 😬

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Legit I had a friend play the game who beat it and walked out and said "Rail and Shield are the best weapons in the game"

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Wait maybe it was 30k

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:12 PM

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shield is disgustingly good

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fun

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but disgusting

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Yea

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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I did a double take cause the Rail is fun but in my opinion it needs a small buff.

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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I don’t want them to need it bc it’s the most fun

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Yeah I need 30,000 darkness, and I have almost 12,000 right now. :/

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Rail needs a bit more base dmg so that non status attack boons are viable

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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keep on grinding!

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I hope it gets a dash attack

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Idk what I want from the rail. Maybe more ammo?

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Or maybe just attack speed

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Regarding its base stats

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Rail could use a dash attack that staggers. That's been what I've suggested to help rail players kite.

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:14 PM

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How about no/less spread

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Ooh yeah a stagger dash attack would be amazing

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:14 PM

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might make heavy slug redundant

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but that could be changed

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:15 PM

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A dash attack on rail that has knockback would open up so many opportunities for cool plays

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:15 PM

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that'd be cool

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Like a short range melee hit

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:15 PM

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The Rail is an entirely unique weapon to Hades because it requires you to utilize every skill the weapon has to be effective. It's not like the Shield or Sword where you don't use the Special/Base Attack based on your build.

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You have to use all your abilities to be effective.

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:16 PM

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That’s why I love it so much

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Honestly I feel like heavy slug has a weird place in the game. Cause if you've gotten a DPS attack boon like Zeus or Dionysus, then the heavy slug will just make you much worse. And you can't really expect to get the heavy slug, since it won't consistently be offered to you. It's only usable if you get it before you've been offered a decent attack boon.

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:16 PM

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yeah, it's one of those upgrades I find is reliant on an early hammer

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:16 PM

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It's why I think it's the hardest weapon to play in Hades but it not having a stun makes it very hard to line up Special bombs.

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Rail is entirely dependent on its hammers.

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:17 PM

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true

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it's hard to make some of the upgrades "fit" depending on what your choices have been

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Also shotgun rail is a bit too slow

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:17 PM

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The primary fire does have a bit of a movement reset which helps you keep an enemy trapped in the bomb radius. But no stun makes it really tough.

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I dislike how the aiming assist works for its bombs. It centers on a target's location, which is almost always a bad spot since enemies will move before the bombs land.

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On gamepad

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:18 PM

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I like the idea of launching a bomb behind someone then slamming them backwards into it

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:18 PM

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In the past I've suggested turning the rail's dash attack into a "flurry of bullets/mini rockets" which would deal equal damage but stagger the target.

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That's the main draw of Poseidon on the rail attack.

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:19 PM

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But then you are using a % increase boon on rail

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:19 PM

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I think the best rail build atm has got to be either Low Tolerance Poison Attack or Heart Rend Crit+ Bomb

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:20 PM

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I'm still a sucker for Zeus Attack + legendary on the rail

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Speedrun uses Zeus

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:20 PM

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if you can get it

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Heart Rend Crit + Bomb can also get Athena dash, and Both Deadly Reversal and Spent Spirit.

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:20 PM

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That sounds fun

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Which turns a run with ludicrous damage into a run with incredibly high defense.

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Wow

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:21 PM

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I'll have to try that

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Cough sudden rush cough

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As far as ludicrous defense goes

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Given that requires 3 Duo Boons. It's hard to set up. It's the equivalent of going for Hunting Blades + Ares Legendary

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Best rail build is just full-on Ares/Artemis cast 😏

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Oh poor casts

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when will you get a trinket

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:22 PM

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They have one

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It’s called adamant arrowhead

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Hehehe

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:22 PM

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haha

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:22 PM

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I wonder if the range damage keepsake (Orpheus?) affects casts

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Oh haha

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It should

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:23 PM

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I'll have to beat up Skelly to test this :I

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Casts need some love though. Not sure how unfortunately.

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:23 PM

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I guess next update is bringing a new keepsake

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Cause of the new NPC

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Yeah presumably, lots of reworks to things I'd expect as well given how many suggestions there have been on late game balance.

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:25 PM

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I'll be sure to enjoy this game before they make it 3x harder in two weeks

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Then drop it down again

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:25 PM

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I still remember the days of pre-nerf Hades

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dark times

naive cobalt Sep 24, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Then increase it (but it is still harder than the previous update)

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Pre nerf hades? What about pre nerf hydra?

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:26 PM

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a rite of passage!

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Although that one was warranted

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The rapid fire attack stunlocked you

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And they did it during multi head phase

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:27 PM

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and those 'barriers' on either side of the arena were useless at stopping them

stable oyster Sep 24, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Yep, good times

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:29 PM

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interesting to see how the next patch shapes the late game - curious as to whether excess resources (keys etc.) will be used for 1 off purchases to change a run or permanent investments for additional unlocks.

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whatever those unlocks maybe, if any

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:46 PM

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I remember the days of pre nerf Meg and Theseus

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I remember when Theseus hit me like 6 times in one spin attack that was nutty

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:46 PM

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even more good times

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 2:46 PM

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I was like "no my health bar come back"

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Theseus also used to have lots more health than he does now. He's basically been health reduced every update since his release.

minor mauve Sep 24, 2019, 2:49 PM

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serves him right. Big damage and a big sponge

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an annoying combo

cursive finch Sep 24, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Is the best weapon the Shield, or am I just bad with everything else

pastel jolt Sep 24, 2019, 5:33 PM

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i can't use the shield at all

cursive finch Sep 24, 2019, 5:33 PM

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It's the only one I ever seem to get a really good run on

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Like, almost 2nd phase killed

atomic panther Sep 24, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I prefer the Sword

cursive finch Sep 24, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I personally feel like the sword needs a buff per se

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I feel like the Q is doodoo

atomic panther Sep 24, 2019, 5:37 PM

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It used to be a lot stronger (as in, instant speed)
I think it's in a good spot now

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Near instant, at least

cursive finch Sep 24, 2019, 5:38 PM

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I just can't seem to fit it into my combos is the issue

atomic panther Sep 24, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Slice, Chop, Special, Thrust works pretty well for me. You can also dash immediately before or after the special and keep the combo going

cursive finch Sep 24, 2019, 5:47 PM

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How do you control which you're going to do?

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I thought it was kind random with the slice, chop, and thrus

atomic panther Sep 24, 2019, 5:48 PM

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It's a 1, 2, 3 combo. The attack cycles between them, but if too much time has passed it reverts back to the slice

cursive finch Sep 24, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Oh snap

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Gotcha,

cursive finch Sep 24, 2019, 6:38 PM

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First run finished

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Let's go

green birch Sep 24, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Nice!

cursive finch Sep 24, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Took me 17 attempts

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But I got it

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The ending is... interesting,.

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13 attempts actually

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Feelsbad

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10 more runs to get Thanatos

turbid needle Sep 24, 2019, 9:31 PM

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I'd be A-OK with Hades' Darkness move being removed outright.

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 9:32 PM

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The Special is imo the strongest thing on the Sword tbh.

turbid needle Sep 24, 2019, 9:32 PM

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It's extra Impervious phases without them being controlled.

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Run Merciful End, put your Ares on attack and Deflect on Special. You'll kill things faster than they can spawn and that's only slightly hyperbole.

turbid needle Sep 24, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Also yes, Nova Smash is the strongest part of the sword. Empowering, Super, and Double Nova.

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Should go with Curse of Pain and Divine Dash, though.

queen kindle Sep 24, 2019, 9:32 PM

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ARES SPINNY SPAMMERS RISE UP

turbid needle Sep 24, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Well Hunting Blades is just OP and I love it.

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 9:33 PM

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"Hunting Blades is bad"

Someone, probably, being foolish

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It's not a run winner but it makes the slicers very good.

turbid needle Sep 24, 2019, 9:34 PM

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I will not have this slander on Hunting Blades in my Discord.

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(jk)

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But I think it IS a run winner.

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It's very good DPS that's ridiculously incredibly safe.

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You throw them and then run away for a while, rinse and repeat.

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 9:34 PM

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I think combined with any Ares improvement and increased ammo, yeah that can be a run winner.

turbid needle Sep 24, 2019, 9:35 PM

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I'd run it with 3, no modifiers, and only a couple of Poms.

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 9:35 PM

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I think it becomes a free win if you get the ares legendary cause the damage becomes insane. I think they travel just a bit too slow and for not long enough for it to be a run winner on their own.

turbid needle Sep 24, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Testing stuff like this is why I want custom runs. Turn off all boons and start with that? Or any other weird kit we want to try?

native ether Sep 24, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Good though? Definitely.

naive cobalt Sep 25, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Hunting Blades + Ares Legendary probably beats 120 heat

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Especially if you can get Black Metal

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Doesnt matter if you have Ares cast or his dash. Both work great

turbid needle Sep 25, 2019, 12:26 AM

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Well, Hunting Blades is exclusive to Slicing Shot.

naive cobalt Sep 25, 2019, 12:26 AM

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Are you sure? I feel like I've gotten it on his dash, but at that point the screen is super chaotic so maybe I'm mistaken

turbid needle Sep 25, 2019, 12:27 AM

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I haven't seen the code, but as sure as I can be with my playtime.

native ether Sep 25, 2019, 2:23 AM

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pretty sure its exclusive to slicing shot

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wiki at least also says so

turbid needle Sep 25, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Uh, don't we edit the Wiki?

native ether Sep 25, 2019, 2:32 AM

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we do tbf

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but i didnt write it that way, was already that way when I made the duo boon page

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id assume it only works on slicing shot because those are the only moving rifts

fervent nimbus Sep 25, 2019, 12:41 PM

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i confirm, hunting blades is dope

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i just finished a run with slicing shot, bursh shot, fully loaded (+2), black metal, engulfing vortex, hunting blades and finally legendary vicious blade

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quickest hades ever haha

hexed tundra Sep 25, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Shield special is too powerful imo (whoops I meant Bull rush)

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It's good for defence and offence

stable oyster Sep 25, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Special is only good with explosive return imo

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Or mirage flight

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Also:

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SUDDEN RUSH

naive cobalt Sep 25, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Mirage flight almost ruined my attempt yesterday

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I had no great attack at the time, but really stacked Zeus boons for the special

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FORTUNATELY I got Poseidon attack and tempest strike, as well as a Hermes special boon.

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That was insanely good

latent lotus Sep 25, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Hunting blades is not the best thing for mob clears (though still good!) it is however one of best (Perhaps the best) at killing bosses. Its a great run everytime

verbal stag Sep 25, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Is there any way to guarantee Duo boons show up? Or do you just hope that if you go to one of them they have it (Going for Aphro & Art duo and I have the required boons, got art boon and it didn't have duo)

ember lotus Sep 25, 2019, 9:29 PM

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You can't make them happen, no.

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Some have easy pre-reqs and are more likely to show up , but short of taking every other boon you can't make someone offer a particular boon

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And even then, they might just offer to replace an existing boon with an upgrade

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The only place I think you can 100% rule some results out is Daedalus Hammers, since some of those boons are mutually exclusive with others

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But even that's weapon dependent

inland pebble Sep 26, 2019, 5:21 AM

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Yeah mirage flight is a.... "choice", since it ruins Explosive Return's huge damage potential. Only pick that if you already have Dread Flight to cancel out the speed reduction from Mirage.

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Funny things about duo boons thou, do they depend on your chances of getting rarer boons?

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Also, am I the only ones hating how all the heated runs are being designed to offer you less god boons in general?

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Like I would rather taking 500% more dmg from Hades then not having all my fave god boons.

stable oyster Sep 26, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Everyone upvote the feedback about death defiance causing migraines for photosensitive people

austere spire Sep 26, 2019, 4:16 PM

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It was kinda ironic to be punished by Zeus since I didn't pick him in the Trial of the Gods and use his aid in the battle.

naive cobalt Sep 26, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Going on attempt #300, this time with 35 heat.

stable oyster Sep 26, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Gl

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Dio actually has a voice line if you use his call in his trial

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“Oh come on”

broken cipher Sep 26, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Dionysus wants to show Zag how uncool it is to pick someone else over him but feels obligated to help him out anyway because Zag's out there doing his best to liven up the party. xD

austere spire Sep 27, 2019, 12:29 AM

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It's like a lovers' quarrel. I hate you but I love you

turbid needle Sep 27, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Why is it of all my Rail runs about 65% of the time I spawn into a Zeus boon and it's never Lightning Strike?

stable oyster Sep 27, 2019, 1:27 AM

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lightning never strikes twice?

turbid needle Sep 27, 2019, 1:27 AM

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I need a Saitama emote for Discord.

grand patrol Sep 27, 2019, 1:31 AM

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ncjxjcjv zag but doing the saitama "...ok"

turbid needle Sep 27, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Hades gets a really nasty boast right before his second phase, and... "Okay."

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crits Aphrodite's Aid

turbid needle Sep 27, 2019, 1:50 AM

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I had to beat it out of Zeus in Asphodel, and it's gonna make Artemis upset, but I got my Epic Lightning Strike.

turbid needle Sep 27, 2019, 4:28 AM

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So if you Dash out of Relentless Barrage earlier via Swift Flourish, the rest of the Special still plays out where it was started.

ember lotus Sep 27, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Yup. I think you can also do this with the Hermes special boost.

turbid needle Sep 27, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Swift Flourish is Hermes Special boon.

celest widget Sep 28, 2019, 9:19 AM

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is it just me or is Hades' last boss phase is giga hard

gloomy scroll Sep 28, 2019, 10:28 AM

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in my experience, without large amounts of whipped frenzy, the patterns aren't too bad

autumn tapir Sep 28, 2019, 12:15 PM

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I find the first phase more difficult

native ether Sep 28, 2019, 3:33 PM

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I generally lose more health in the second phase.

tropic tundra Sep 28, 2019, 7:18 PM

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same as ^, second one is the worst in my opinion

untold quiver Sep 29, 2019, 12:06 AM

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I find I win or lose based on what he summons

eternal stag Sep 29, 2019, 12:20 AM

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hey, are bloodstones supposed to get stuck in enemies when you're using athena's cast, or should i f10 it

grand patrol Sep 29, 2019, 12:24 AM

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i thiiiink they are?

lost rose Sep 29, 2019, 12:29 AM

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They can stick, yeah

eternal stag Sep 29, 2019, 12:31 AM

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okay, just wasn't sure

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thank you

eternal stag Sep 29, 2019, 12:53 AM

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man it feels so not fun when your bloodstones get stuck in the mists in elysium off the stage where you can't get them

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come back ;w;

turbid needle Sep 29, 2019, 5:11 AM

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I'd be okay with Bloodstone timers starting immediately when they land instead of an indeterminate wait period before THAT timer starts.

soft ermine Sep 30, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Hey I made a new save but I forgot how long it takes until Chaos starts popping up, any clue?

native ether Sep 30, 2019, 6:43 PM

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run 16 afaik? not sure

soft ermine Sep 30, 2019, 6:44 PM

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good enough, thanks

atomic panther Sep 30, 2019, 6:58 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/628304534552313857/unknown.png
Booyah! I was facing away from him when he died, and having my back to him during the final dialogue actually made it so much more cinematic. Sadly, I couldn't get Hungry Blades, but the Ares legendary is ridiculous regardless

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/628304976908779529/unknown.png
I'm going to miss this joke when the game is finished

gloomy scroll Sep 30, 2019, 7:01 PM

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That joke is indeed the best

atomic panther Oct 1, 2019, 2:20 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473685187780411405/628415765804220422/unknown.png?width=1192&height=671
Aw heck yeah, it's Grand?a time

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/628416393938862090/unknown.png
Making bank

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Got 95 from Meg

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Local Fool forgets that Bone Hourglass doesn't stack Light of Ixilon anymore

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/628419602019516436/unknown.png
Hehehhehehehhe

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/628422905985761301/unknown.png
And the boon train just keeps on rolling

atomic panther Oct 1, 2019, 3:08 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/628427913813032962/unknown.png
Mission complete

lost rose Oct 1, 2019, 3:08 AM

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oh my god

atomic panther Oct 1, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Thank you, Master Chaos

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I got 170 Darkness from the well for 30 Obols

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This is all fun but I don't think I have a strong enough build to take down Hades

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/628431239984054272/unknown.png
Is it. Is it worth it?

lost rose Oct 1, 2019, 3:21 AM

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for the poster itself? no. for the sweet sweet completionism? yes.

hardy oriole Oct 1, 2019, 3:22 AM

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yes, definitely worth it

atomic panther Oct 1, 2019, 3:22 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/628431478073851905/unknown.png
YOLO

hardy oriole Oct 1, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Of course, there's also something to be said for buying it so that, in the future, you only get offered items that affect your current run.

atomic panther Oct 1, 2019, 3:35 AM

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I won at 8 health

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My heart is beating out of my chest

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/628435243434508318/unknown.png
Aw yeah, that's the stuff

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Oh it didn't capture quite right, hold on

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There we go

hardy oriole Oct 1, 2019, 3:38 AM

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See? You didn't need the 500 Obol.

atomic panther Oct 1, 2019, 3:40 AM

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I killed Hades one Bull Rush at a time. I was too scared to use other abilities because one hit from anything would've killed me

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But yeah the yolo buy payed off

atomic panther Oct 1, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Aight that's enough Hades for me for tonight

inland pebble Oct 1, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Um... I think the spear soldiers in Elysium are bugged? Like, unlike the other soldiers, they cannot be flinched by your attacks?

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@atomic panther I realised why you didn't have Hunting Blades in your earlier run, you need to have an Artemis tier one boon in one of your basic slots (Att, Spc, Dash, or Aid - you need to have the Ares Cast, of course).

atomic panther Oct 1, 2019, 5:58 AM

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I don't think you do

inland pebble Oct 1, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Yeah? You had Aphrodite Attack, Ares Cast, Athena Dash, Zeus Aid and no Special. To have Hunting Blades, you need Ares Cast + one Artemis boon in those slots.

native ether Oct 1, 2019, 6:05 AM

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You do need a "primary effect Artemis boon" for Hunting Blades

inland pebble Oct 1, 2019, 6:10 AM

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We desperately need to have in-game tutorials/guides with these kinds of things. I bet a lot of other people who played the game for months would still be in the dark with these kinds of things.

atomic panther Oct 1, 2019, 6:11 AM

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I could've sworn I'd gotten it before without a primary Artemis boon, but I guess I'm misremembering

inland pebble Oct 1, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Yeah, you got like all the other Artemis boons! Pressure Points is the one that opens up all those tier 2 Artemis boons.

inland pebble Oct 1, 2019, 6:32 AM

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Pressure Points is so good that it almost acts as a Artemis primary effect boon. You could have access to Hide Breaker/Clean Kill (not to mention Hunter's Mark!) if you already have PP, which could lead to the possibility of having Artemis Legendary!

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(without even need a primary effect Artemis boons on the 5 basic slots)

turbid needle Oct 1, 2019, 6:43 AM

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I actually did get Support Fire off a PP unlock tree a few days ago.

native ether Oct 1, 2019, 7:21 AM

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Pressure Points is an exception for some Artemis effects because they work on crits, and PP gives crits

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Hunting Blades simply requires core Artemis affiliation (so 1 of your 5 slots) + Slicing Shot from Ares

shy ruin Oct 1, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Would anyone here happen to know which Pact settings you'd need to use to achieve an experience similar to the difficulty prior to the re-balance/aka the game at launch?

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I was playing since launch and when I resumed my game without having touched any of the updates, I was like. "Why is it so easy, how am I getting so far..."

native ether Oct 1, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Stifling Darkness at max power will drop your darkness down to 500.

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Besides that likely a combination of increased enemy health and enemy count

shy ruin Oct 1, 2019, 5:42 PM

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thanks!

turbid needle Oct 1, 2019, 6:06 PM

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I'm late bringing this up, but it's something that's bothered me for months. I would rather struggle with snowballing late game than ever ever ever ever ever be stuck with one or two or three Olympians on a room to try and build synergy. Maybe I'm just salty that Dionysus and Zeus require specialized builds to get them as strong as the four "A" Olympians and Poseidon is outright the weakest god right now so seeing any of the three when I don't have the right build means that I limp for half the run.

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Miniboss doors are one thing, where you're guaranteed an Olympian, but I just had a Centaur Heart door sticky itself to Poseidon and Dionysus when the only Olympian I had (at this point in Tartarus) was Athena.

stable oyster Oct 1, 2019, 6:15 PM

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A tier gods are best atm yea

turbid needle Oct 1, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I mean the Olympians whose names all start with A, actually.

stable oyster Oct 1, 2019, 6:22 PM

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It’s the same list

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All the gods who start with A are A tier

turbid needle Oct 1, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Also yes.

cedar mirage Oct 1, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Just had a ton of fun with the rail, triple bomb with Poseidon special, sea storm, and razor shoals

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Never realized how fun the rail could be

inland pebble Oct 1, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Poseidon needs a cool buff. Like, increase the % dmg up a bit. And have more synergies/duo boons with other gods (like seriously, how can the cool uncle only has duo with only 3 othe gods?)
I have a few ideas for Poseidon duos:
Poseidon+Athena: Competitive Spirit - like the opposite of Spent Spirit, make all your moves/projectites faster?!
Poseidon Ares: Spoils of War - give you more coins out of each creeps you kill (like the Chaos Coin boon atm).

errant narwhal Oct 1, 2019, 10:25 PM

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hermes kind of has a boon that does the first one already, though

stable oyster Oct 1, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Not fast enough

inland pebble Oct 1, 2019, 10:25 PM

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(Like seriously, Chaos Coin boon is so good right now that you can buy everything on your way and still have some changes left after fighting Hades.)

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True

errant narwhal Oct 1, 2019, 10:26 PM

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i think supergiant are working on having all duo boons eventually

stable oyster Oct 1, 2019, 10:26 PM

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That would be awesome

inland pebble Oct 1, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Well, it is a delicate system for sure. Because if we're not careful, we will end up getting more duo boons than we can handle lol!

stable oyster Oct 1, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Never too many

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Imo at least

inland pebble Oct 1, 2019, 10:58 PM

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I mean, just from the AAAA primary slots, we can have access to 6 duo boons already. Add Appollo into the game will be tricky in order to maintain that A tier perfection lol!

stable oyster Oct 1, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Hades is a AAAA game

inland pebble Oct 1, 2019, 11:27 PM

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How about a AAAAA game? 😏😏😏

stable oyster Oct 1, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Idk I don’t think it’s Apollo

native ether Oct 2, 2019, 12:35 AM

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my guess is given that some gods have like 5 duo boons but all have 3, the eventual goal is for every god to have a duo with another god

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that's just a guess though. I aint a dev

errant narwhal Oct 2, 2019, 12:43 AM

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I’m pretty sure it’s in the roadmap

native ether Oct 2, 2019, 12:43 AM

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if its in the roadmap then ignore me

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when in doubt follow the road map

inland pebble Oct 2, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Ugh I wish Dio has a Midas Touch boon or sth. It would be so cool! Like, we can switch Exclusive Access to Dio+Zeus, and let Midas Touch be Dio/Poiseido or sth. So we can garantuee to have a strong economy run and finally have a way to offset the Convenience Fees heats penalty.

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(Now to think about it, there are so many Greek gods that have associations with strong econony 🤔)

wintry creek Oct 2, 2019, 1:36 AM

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Like Hades 😆

native ether Oct 2, 2019, 2:50 AM

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I don't think I'd want to lose Scintillating Feast it's an incredibly strong duo

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We do already have Ocean's Bounty and Chaos Obols

grand patrol Oct 2, 2019, 2:53 AM

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id think of midas touch as something that petrifies the opponent tbh?

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oooh, petrifies and if u kill them before they unfreeze u get extra cash

native ether Oct 2, 2019, 3:10 AM

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that would be neat

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not sure who id fit that with though

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If anything I'd want it to be Dionysus and "Apollo" because Apollo gave the guy donkey ears

shy ruin Oct 2, 2019, 3:21 AM

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you guys know so much about the game, it's so cool,

green birch Oct 2, 2019, 3:21 AM

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But consider: Dio and Apollo boon called "Midsummer"

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Idk what it would do but I just think its neat

native ether Oct 2, 2019, 3:55 AM

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im a bit of an addict to this game

grand patrol Oct 2, 2019, 3:57 AM

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sameee

inland pebble Oct 2, 2019, 8:18 AM

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"Midsummer Night's Dream" dou (no, triple) boon: Negate all damage you took inside Festive Fog. Because at the end of the day, you have no idea what ever happened, whom you fell in and out of love with, and then wake up without a hindsight, since we will never find out what the Puck-ing happen in those Fog anyway lol! 🤣🤣🤣

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I want more gods offer Coin boons than just have to randomly reply on Poseidon/Chaos. Well, at least 4 anyway, just like how we have 4 for Revenge Damage/God Gauge etc.

wintry creek Oct 2, 2019, 8:59 AM

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I would love to see if Demeter joins the game something like "Bounty of the harvest" or some similair title where you can get a pom of power and they are more likely to appear in shops

karmic ginkgo Oct 2, 2019, 9:13 AM

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You know what would be a fun god to add
Pan

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Idk why pan would help
But itd be cool

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Also i cant seem to fine like 2 gifts

frosty pier Oct 2, 2019, 9:19 AM

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To find 2 keepsakes? You can post a screenshot of your keepsakes via imagesharing site here.

inland pebble Oct 2, 2019, 10:12 AM

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He propably hasn't met Thanatos or/and Orpheus/Patronus yet.

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Or Chaos.

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Just save some ambrosias for them when you can, instead of keeping giving them away.

placid plinth Oct 2, 2019, 11:04 AM

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"Patronus", lol

shy ruin Oct 2, 2019, 11:22 AM

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ah yes achilles' love, expecto patroclus

indigo olive Oct 2, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Quick question , I feel like I've been getting more darkness/keys/ambrosia in Tartarus than I used to, I've had it happen a bunch of times where I only have like 1 maaaaybe 2 boons by the time I get to Aspho...have I missed a good way to get more boons early on or is it just straight random?

frosty pier Oct 2, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Looks like rng

indigo olive Oct 2, 2019, 1:22 PM

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balls..

native ether Oct 2, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Unfortunate rng, but Asphodel and Elysium are both shorter biomes than they were previously.

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They're both now always 10 chambers each.

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(instead of the 13/12 +5 random split)

indigo olive Oct 2, 2019, 1:24 PM

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ah, wasn't sure about that before but good to know.
The room reward changing thing, I assume there must be a table it can swap on with like super low chance to get a boon if it's on keys/ambrosia etc, any confirmation on that?

native ether Oct 2, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Pinned in this channel

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Well the things you get are swapped. Exact chances are unknown.

indigo olive Oct 2, 2019, 1:25 PM

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ah yeah, ok at least that confirms for me

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wasn't aware that daed wasn't on the blue list, thought it was

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cheers for the info 🙂

cedar mirage Oct 2, 2019, 1:34 PM

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I like the shorter elysium, but I really miss the challenge posed by asphodel being really long, weakening you more before the hydra, because now, the hydra is just a war of attrition, with a mostly full hp zag, and the hydra’s 3728 heads

errant narwhal Oct 2, 2019, 7:16 PM

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h.... i got last chamber sack..... the 2 times ive been to styx i got it on the first and second chamber

stable oyster Oct 2, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Sacks to be you

errant narwhal Oct 2, 2019, 7:26 PM

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yayy

📎 unknown.png

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finally, another clear. ares is incredibly strong

stable oyster Oct 2, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Gj

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Was that on the 6sack?

grand patrol Oct 2, 2019, 7:27 PM

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yaaayyy!!

native ether Oct 2, 2019, 7:28 PM

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ive been getting last chamber sacks for like my past 10 runs

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not that i really mind cause I usually full clear Styx regardless

errant narwhal Oct 2, 2019, 7:31 PM

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yep!

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i havent managed to get past elysium in my last few runs bc ive been playing with the bow and my mouse is on its last legs

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but with the shield, i just need to press q

stable oyster Oct 2, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Pressing q, with the shield?

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B-but

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Sudden Rush!

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Pressing q, with the shield?

native ether Oct 2, 2019, 7:45 PM

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"how to play shield"

press q

occasionally when in danger, hold down left mouse

congrats you beat Hades

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"how to play shield"

press q

occasionally when in danger, hold down left mouse

congrats you beat Hades

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~~im definitely not salty~~

stable oyster Oct 2, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Stop disrespecting sudden rush

turbid needle Oct 2, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Gimme a better build than Explosive Return, Mirage/Dread Flight, and Thunder Flourish, I'll wait.

stable oyster Oct 2, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Sudden Rush bull rush art attack hunters mark and some supporting stuff

turbid needle Oct 2, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Add Minotaur Rush and that's actually a pretty sweet build.

stable oyster Oct 2, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Minotaur rust was what I meant sorry

native ether Oct 2, 2019, 8:59 PM

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You have yet to counter my guide on how to play the shield :kappa:

stable oyster Oct 2, 2019, 8:59 PM

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15 base dmg is no good, you need er

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Even then it’s meh

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Well not meh

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Amazing

turbid needle Oct 2, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Ares, Zeus are my favorites for the shield.

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If you get Explosive Return you can go Aphrodite or Artemis.

stable oyster Oct 2, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Well I think you are marking a critical oversight in the hunt for the perfect build

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mark this advice down

analog sail Oct 2, 2019, 9:17 PM

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I remember the old times of autofire shield special + zeus special. Just hold the special button and everything will die eventually

naive cobalt Oct 2, 2019, 10:39 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/LX3zYT2.png

Imgur

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By the 10th chamber, I somehow got the core slots all filled out

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And the synergy was excellent. I had a lot of great duo boons by the end.

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I dont usually go on Doom centric runs, but it can be pretty decent

inland pebble Oct 3, 2019, 12:01 AM

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"ah yes achilles' love, expecto patroclus"

Next thing you know, Achilles is hunting down owls hoping he can scoop up a Hogwart letter and demand the wizards ro teach him that spell. So he can expecto Patroclus anytime lol 😏😏😏

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@indigo olive are you playing on high heat? I always found high heat run seriously lacking of god boons in general.

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Um.. I wish Athena's boon has different colour than Zeus. So hard to tell which god boon belong to them based just on the colour.
I had sneaky suspicion that Athena's colour scheme used to be blue, based on the colour of Athena Special on Rail. (Which kinda makes sense with Athens' colour is blue. Their flag is literally gold-detailed Athena's shield on a blue canvas.)

frosty pier Oct 3, 2019, 10:40 AM

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If Fate drove you to the shield special build...

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Dont be a pleb and just rebind special from Q to RMB, come on.

placid plinth Oct 3, 2019, 11:52 AM

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I rebinded (rebound?) Special on middle mouse button, turns out, it's pretty convenient

turbid needle Oct 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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@frosty pier Is it okay if I've rebound Cast to Shift so my hands never leave WASD?

atomic panther Oct 3, 2019, 7:16 PM

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A true gamer...

frosty pier Oct 3, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Tssss I wont tell if you wont.

turbid needle Oct 3, 2019, 7:17 PM

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I even rebound reload to a mouse thumb button. This is game I don't like not having all movement directions available 100% of the time.

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If that makes sense.

rapid holly Oct 4, 2019, 1:42 AM

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yesss finally cleared at this heat. 75 next

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https://imgur.com/a/fkX49lg

Imgur

atomic panther Oct 4, 2019, 1:54 AM

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I do not remember those guys on the left and right

lost rose Oct 4, 2019, 1:55 AM

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I think they're part of the ultrawide display settings

rapid holly Oct 4, 2019, 2:10 AM

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yep

blazing mulch Oct 4, 2019, 12:47 PM

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yeach on Ultrawide you dont rly get ultrawide- just the left and right side are filled with these 2 😄

frosty pier Oct 4, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Heh no love for the W I D E B O Y S

blazing mulch Oct 4, 2019, 1:03 PM

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heh. It because the maps have black area around so...
Maybe in future the boons menu would be on left side maybe ? or any kind of information's for ultrawide to fill ?

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just the idea

frosty pier Oct 4, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Keep it near you untill they unlock the feedback-channel, sounds actually pretty neat.

indigo olive Oct 5, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Are saves still not pushed to the cloud? Usually only play on one pc but was trying to play at home and has a save from Jan lol..

autumn tapir Oct 5, 2019, 2:25 PM

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there are no cloud saves yet, although Epic does have the option now I think

indigo olive Oct 5, 2019, 2:26 PM

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boo, but hopefully for the future

celest widget Oct 6, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Beating Dad in 30 mins is satisfying for me

turbid needle Oct 6, 2019, 6:56 PM

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beating him up in general is very satisfying squirtdevious

naive cobalt Oct 6, 2019, 9:32 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/6JZnadu.png

Imgur

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This build was INSANE

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140% attack, and it inflicts weak, jolt, and ruptured simultaneously (+64% extra on repeated hits, and I should note that I got Hermes' +12% attack speed)

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Not to mention 8 bounce special putting jolt and rupture on everything, with second wave, and a water blast when enemies hit a wall. Also I got Hermes' speed upgrade for special, too, making it super spammable.

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Sea Storm is my favorite boon on the shield

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And I had +3 dashes with Athena's dash, making me invincible practically constantly

minor mauve Oct 7, 2019, 3:18 PM

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I wonder what shape the final duo boons will take when they eventually get added? I'd welcome more boons like 'Lightning Rod' that alter the way you interact with your abilities.

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Ares/Dionysus - poison ticks faster on enemies affected by curses.

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That's my highly original idea

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ahem...

ember lotus Oct 7, 2019, 6:10 PM

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That single target damage would be so strong in boss fights. An Aphrodite dash would put the whole thing over the top Unfortunately Hades drops all stacks of everything when he vanishes, and the Bash Bros have lengthy invulnerability phases.

minor mauve Oct 7, 2019, 7:17 PM

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True, but then the Aphrodite/Dionysus duo is still powerful even factoring those boss elements. I wonder if poisonous blade rifts might work?!

grand patrol Oct 7, 2019, 7:21 PM

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https://external-preview.redd.it/luAfKqiv6bACzkPg_HcaG1ut4Jnc3e48EK2gGyQN9uI.jpg?auto=webp&s=5c140991ea34aedf89d9128e282e08578921ac3f zag using a dio+ares duo

minor mauve Oct 7, 2019, 7:22 PM

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...well, I'm out of ideas!

autumn tapir Oct 7, 2019, 10:10 PM

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it's not often I see the hero yoshihiko

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thank you for this

steep lark Oct 8, 2019, 12:47 PM

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Yoshihiko is a personal favorite of mine lol

rocky mica Oct 8, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Patch or riot?

stable oyster Oct 8, 2019, 3:57 PM

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No riot

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Patch or wait

rocky mica Oct 8, 2019, 3:57 PM

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But pitchforks and all.

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Burning torches, BBQ on the side.

grand patrol Oct 8, 2019, 4:01 PM

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please dont! theyre working hard to get things together

stable oyster Oct 8, 2019, 4:02 PM

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Patch things together

grand patrol Oct 8, 2019, 4:03 PM

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ajfingerguns

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did you know patch is an acronym?
P. eople
A. ll
T. irelessly
C. reating
H. ades the videogame

thin jetty Oct 8, 2019, 4:05 PM

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it’s true

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 4:05 PM

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thin jetty Oct 8, 2019, 4:05 PM

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thank u saba 🙏

native ether Oct 8, 2019, 5:13 PM

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They typically launch patches at 12-1 PM Pacific Time. Get hyped but be patient :p

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Patience is a virtue :kappa:

rocky mica Oct 8, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Patch now or I'll do horrible things to this puppy I don't have!

grand patrol Oct 8, 2019, 5:18 PM

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cerberus oh no!!!

rocky mica Oct 8, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Naptime in 3 hours. ;o

thin jetty Oct 8, 2019, 5:26 PM

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folks

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what if

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there was an update

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called the pupdate

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and it was just about cerberus

pastel jolt Oct 8, 2019, 5:28 PM

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we already had the big bad update though? ablobthinkzerogravity

rocky mica Oct 8, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Play as Cerberus.

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Or riot!

grand patrol Oct 8, 2019, 5:29 PM

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nzkfjgkg no stop rioting

thin jetty Oct 8, 2019, 5:30 PM

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@pastel jolt big bad update 2: the puppening

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puppering?

short jasper Oct 8, 2019, 5:30 PM

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the bigger badder update...r

thin jetty Oct 8, 2019, 5:30 PM

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the bigger fluffier update

short jasper Oct 8, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I'm gonna need that "no take! only throw!!" image but with cerberus

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and the satyr sack

thin jetty Oct 8, 2019, 5:33 PM

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i feel like someone's gotta have made this already

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 6:37 PM

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If we riot Hades unleashes the shades and they riot way better than we can. Best to just wait for the update to drop.

grand patrol Oct 8, 2019, 6:41 PM

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like ZAG keeps dying and hes STRONG and has SPECIAL SHADE WEAPONS you think you can fight a wretch and win irl????

stable oyster Oct 8, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Easy

naive cobalt Oct 8, 2019, 7:11 PM

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+ Hunter's Mark (Artemis): dealing Critical damage to foes with the 'Marked' Status Curse clears the effect
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :'(

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RIP my favorite OP build

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Okay, just got through the Fury fight. ||If you have Heat available, turn on "Extreme Measures" in the Pact and never turn it off. You're welcome.||

lofty turret Oct 8, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Hey guys, I wanna warn you real quick. When you buy heat for ambrosia at the wretched broker, the game crashes, so kinda don't try it 😄
Kinda don't know where to put it, already sent a bug report though //pre-update House of Hades, in case someone wondering

kind fiber Oct 8, 2019, 7:20 PM

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new patch is huge

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 7:23 PM

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did they change how the god keepsakes work?

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I started with a Zeus one, and the first god I get is Poseidon

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Nah, that's always been a little screwy.

kind fiber Oct 8, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I haven't had any problems with god keepsakes in the past

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 7:43 PM

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5 boons in, not a single god offered me an attack boon

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Why

native ether Oct 8, 2019, 7:43 PM

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rng is not with you today

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Im at the Hydra now, with no attack boon in sight

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This is gonna be a slog

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A slog, it was

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And now Im in Elysium with no attack boon ,and both good god keepsakes burned

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Now's when I'd run Coin Purse or Feather Duster.

median ridge Oct 8, 2019, 8:08 PM

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wow the new shield upgrade is terrible

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also did the shield get changed so it doesnt block everything now?

lost rose Oct 8, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Charged Shot, right?

median ridge Oct 8, 2019, 8:08 PM

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yeah

lost rose Oct 8, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Looking into it currently

median ridge Oct 8, 2019, 8:08 PM

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makes me absolutely useless against shield elysians

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yup, shield is definitely less useful now. lost a dd to asterius when he broke right through my shield

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Ah, there we go, I got the weapon aspect

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Hm

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Most of these sound not very good

atomic panther Oct 8, 2019, 8:25 PM

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I like Poseidon Aspect the best

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Extra cast damage and fun Sword shenanigans

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:26 PM

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It does look interesting, but I feel like casts fall off too hard for it to be good

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Nemesis one is just weak

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15% crit chance after special isnt worth using

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:27 PM

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the achilles spear aspect is so sick

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assuming this is whats giving me the teleport

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and its not just the new baseline special

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Nah, pressing Special with base Spear gives you the return.

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:28 PM

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oooooooo

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Achilles should be Chthonic Charge.

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:28 PM

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yeah so it looks like these aspects give u new abilities

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not just the damage bonuses

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because instead of a return it now teleports me to the spear location

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Well, some do

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I do like the sound of Achilles upgrade

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My only worry is that all the special upgrade hammers stop working

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Swords first one is just too weak, second one suffers from casts falling off

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 8:30 PM

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I've been cheesing resets to try different Aspects and Achilles will be sick, I think, with Multi Skewer.

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:30 PM

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The other spear one also sounds interesting, but I have to try it first

atomic panther Oct 8, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Speaking from personal experience, a proper cast build does not fall off

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Shields first one seems completely useless, while the second one seems a bit weak?

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Nemesis is just Empowering Nova, so I'll be leveling that up.

atomic panther Oct 8, 2019, 8:30 PM

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It works especially well with Exit Wounds

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Its empowering Nova once Empowering Nova was nerfed into oblivion :S

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Oh yeah, Exit Wounds sounds like a fun combo

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Ill have to try out the second shield upgrade some time

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Empowering Nova was 25% crit on all Attacks for two seconds after every Special, right?

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Because it sounds like it basically makes you have a special

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Thats the nerfed version, but yeah

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Originally it was 100%

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Then 50%

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Well that's busted.

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:31 PM

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It was

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 8:31 PM

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25 is a good balanced number.

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:31 PM

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The 100% version at least

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I found the 50% version to be kinda fine tbh

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 8:32 PM

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No way. World Splitter with Athena or Aphro?

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Busted.

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:32 PM

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You have to use a special beforehand each time, and its still pretty slow

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So you effectively lose one world splitter attack

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And you gain a bit more than one

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 8:33 PM

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I wanna see new Nova Smash with Swift Flourish before I write it off.

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:33 PM

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I dont exactly get Hera Aspect

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Does save-quitting still work?

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Or rather

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Alt + F4 to quit without saving

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 8:34 PM

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I didn't know that was a thing.

median ridge Oct 8, 2019, 8:34 PM

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charged shot has a little problem of being blocked by.....gaps in the floor

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very frustrating

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Lets find out

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Zag , the game save game only when you enter new room , so if the room going wrong alt F4 and repeat before it ends

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Ok, lets see

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The hera upgrade is ... weird?

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You press the cast button, and that cast simply becomes part of your next arrow

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The issue is that you lose half of the special properties the casts can have from what it seems

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And you dont get any damage boni

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 8:37 PM

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try it with some boons , its allow you do to some tricks 😄

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:37 PM

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All it really does is it lets you do burst arrows, and it saves a tiny bit of time if you dont have automatic cast

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But I think its not worth using

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Does it?

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From what I could tell it doesnt really let you do anything special with the casts

median ridge Oct 8, 2019, 8:38 PM

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im probably going to die to hades in a minute. this run is cursed and shield has betrayed me so much

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:43 PM

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alright

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I have achilles aspect and just got offered multi skewer

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do I take it for science?

night compass Oct 8, 2019, 8:44 PM

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sure. sounds bouncy

proud storm Oct 8, 2019, 8:44 PM

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do it for science

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:44 PM

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My guess is that the spear jumps between people, then you do a linear dash to the spear

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So its probably not that interesting

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:44 PM

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thats kinda waht im thinking

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I saw somebody say they were restarting to try and get it

rugged horizon Oct 8, 2019, 8:44 PM

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anyone else thinking a witch with 3 splitting energy balls is a bit much for a no hit challenge?

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:44 PM

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so idk if I was misunderstanding

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what do you mean?

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like the elysium witches but the balls split again?

rugged horizon Oct 8, 2019, 8:45 PM

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no i mean the hades witches in erebus

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the ones that shoot 3 of those splitting balls

night compass Oct 8, 2019, 8:46 PM

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i havent tried an erebus gate yet but could be tricky

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:46 PM

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is that one of the new champion enemies?

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dont think ive seen that

rugged horizon Oct 8, 2019, 8:46 PM

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overall i like the new erebus system with fewer but more meaningful enemies

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but the with makes skillful evasion damn near impossible

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:47 PM

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can u just smack the balls to make them not split?

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:48 PM

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The balls just split prematurely if you do that

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:48 PM

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oof

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i feel like there was some counterplay to the splitters in elysium

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but i havent played in like 6 weeks

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might have just been deflecting

night compass Oct 8, 2019, 8:49 PM

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i had dionysus special with the chiron aspect and 100% more special shots. its like a magic eraser. friendship ended with shield now bow is my favorite weapon

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Its mostly the same counterplay as the others, walls

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:50 PM

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mmk

rugged horizon Oct 8, 2019, 8:50 PM

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in elesium theres just 1

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not 3

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:50 PM

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and yeah for the record, multi-skewer with achilles aspect

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not great

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Alright, time to test something

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 8:50 PM

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your spear just ends up deep in the lava somewhere

rugged horizon Oct 8, 2019, 8:50 PM

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so you can for example shoot them with basic then follow up with the special for bow

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but that doesnt work with the bow

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Alright, Im not sure Im reading this correctly

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But infinite ammo shouldnt be offered while you use Hestias Aspect

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Which means Hestias aspect has a lower selection

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Outside of that, I feel like the aspects are a mixed bag

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The spear ones are perfect

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The shield ones are either strange and arguably useless (chaos) or just too weak (Zeus, its basically a really really weak blade rift)

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The Bow ones are wacky but work, the sword ones are probably a bit undertuned, and the gun ones seem to both be fun, but impractical

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 8:59 PM

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I would love if we had an Rain of arrows on one of aspects. So as totally new special.

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 8:59 PM

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You mean, like the gun special, but instead of a rocket its a continous DoT area?

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:00 PM

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yeach

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:00 PM

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I can dig that

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:00 PM

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in my mind it even looks cool

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Could be a good fourth aspect

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Or third if the hera thing doesnt work out entirely

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I mean, its a hail of arrows

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There is a reason just about every MMO has it

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:01 PM

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I think that the aspect which make as shoot cast too could work rather with arrows , so we shoots 2/3/4+ arrows at once

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:02 PM

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So, burn a cast and any synergies it has, for extra arrows?

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I can dig that as well, but we already have twin and triple shot

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:02 PM

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we could use the reload button to make it

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:02 PM

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And Id rather keep those around

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:03 PM

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that could be cool synergy

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with them

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:03 PM

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How about this

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:03 PM

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but its just my mindstorm

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Heras upgrade lets you burn a cast to make the arrow get stuck in the enemy

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:03 PM

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ouch thats looks cool and you did not even ended writing XD

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:04 PM

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And while its stuck, every subsequent hit increases damage

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Lets say, first hit is +20

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Then +40

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+60, and so on

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Essentially doing that robin hood thing where you split an arrow with an arrow

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:04 PM

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ouch ouch man thats is epic road to make it OP haha

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less op could be increasing change for critical with these stacks

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Numbers are obviously up for change, its just an idea Im throwing out there

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 9:05 PM

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does anybody know if the dio/pos duo boon lets u get red boons from regular rewards?

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:05 PM

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take the idea into hades-feedback

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 9:06 PM

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it says "minmum boon - epic" so im assuming so

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Eh, its probably too out there for a serious suggestion

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Anyway, I like the idea of aspects, but some need work

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Im a bit sad that I wont have any real ones to use on shield, which is probably my favourite weapon ever since Deja Vu was introduced

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:07 PM

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If you dont like the aspect you can always use the Zag one to decrease dmg you got

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:08 PM

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True, but it basically means I have less variety, which is a bit disappointing

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:08 PM

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also hades-feedback is why we are here 😄

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still beta

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:09 PM

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But hey, spear got the goodies, so

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Guess Im back to playing Spear

blazing mulch Oct 8, 2019, 9:10 PM

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New dash is cherry on top of new spear aspects 😄

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 9:10 PM

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it looks so sick

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wasn't gonna say anything because its not gameplay, but that new animation rocks

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:10 PM

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I like the visuals, but it felt a bit wonky from my couple times dashing around Skelly

turbid needle Oct 8, 2019, 9:11 PM

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@elfin pulsar No, Heroic are still from trading Epic boons. Technically Duo and Legendaries are higher rarities so I'm guessing that's there way of ssaying it.

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 9:11 PM

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mmk

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Almost like the hitbox has a small gap

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 9:11 PM

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yeah I got a duo boon offered right away after

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so maybe it was because of that

native ether Oct 8, 2019, 9:12 PM

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I think Hestia Aspect and Spread Shot Rail is theoretically the max damage now, after some testing

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I'm only on a low level for Hestia aspect but if it keeps climbing there's some damage to be done there.

elfin pulsar Oct 8, 2019, 9:14 PM

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so, cool little thing

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u can use the teleport on the achilles spear to dodge stuff like aphrodite wrathf from theseus

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since it goes further than any other movement in the game previously

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stuff that u couldnt outrange b4 unless u were going fast as fudge you now can

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Wait, does it give you +30 on each of the 5 projectiles?

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Not +30, changes to 30

rugged horizon Oct 8, 2019, 9:16 PM

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absolutely loving the seeking special on the bow

native ether Oct 8, 2019, 9:16 PM

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It sets the base damage on all projectiles yep

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:16 PM

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That is nasty

rugged horizon Oct 8, 2019, 9:16 PM

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like omg

native ether Oct 8, 2019, 9:16 PM

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And it can be increased by 15 per level

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Yeah that could easily be the highest DPS right now

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I wasnt sure if it worked

native ether Oct 8, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Combine it with a dash attack modifier

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Infinite ammo probably doesnt

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Oof

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That sounds like big crits

native ether Oct 8, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Infinite Ammo doesn't work with Hestia I'd guess. You need the reload unfortunately.

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@ocean halo According to the patch notes, Heat is no longer a resource.

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Yeah I think its disabled on Hestia

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Im not 100% though

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I found the data to be harder to read than usual

native ether Oct 8, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I'd probably f10 it and then just death reset if it's bugged and you're in Asphodel.

hard holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Hm