and they buffed shield again great
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
not sure about that shield buff...
sacred swallow
i liked it much better with the knock's
reef topaz
Same, wall and lava abuse ftw
turbid needle
konckback disallows you to use certain combos so, I'm not exactly sure
turbid needle
Yeah hehe
reef topaz
woops
radiant grove
meg dead in 3.2 min WHAT?
reef topaz
It'd be something else if Hades could delete my save when even I can't 😂
turbid needle
hmm, nice... my fastest was getting her killed in 4:00 about ? but that was bugged Zeus Thunder Dash double strike run...
rugged apex
this build was really messed up. https://i.imgur.com/SqxVqBx.jpg
like. really messed up.
hades lived about two minutes
midnight cliff
Atleast I can say that I beat hades when it was pre-nerfed
rugged apex
hunting blades+vicious cycle+burst shot is wild
midnight cliff
People who can defeat him now are gonna streamroll him probably
turbid needle
I guess...
midnight cliff
ib4 damage -1 nerf and health -1k
turbid needle
It's not that hard once you get the setup
I like the Bone Hourglass at last stage just to have perfect sure, things won't go wrong
it's pretty stupid how strong it can be in some cases
although that's not kind of strength you see at first hand
I remember fun times where I took it at after bosses to abuse the bug they gave
aka, 6 encounter Chaos Gates / Treasure Trove / Yarn of Ariadne
that was absolutely wild
honestly... I would love to see bone hourglass still be able to affect those but at much lower rate
and I don't think it would be broken
rugged apex
...huh, it's possible to do a really tiny 30 damage spin if you're close to frameperfect
rugged apex
I'm just gonna report that as a bug since it's hard to do reliably and it might just mess up a run for no good reason
radiant grove
dude idk what is with people saying hunting blades is so good
its not that good honeslty
honestly*
it's pretty bad imo
stable oyster
I mean
turbid needle
it depends on your setup
rugged apex
hunting blades alone is okay since it lets you do damage without having to aim
hunting blades with vicious cycle is really dumb because it lets you do half of hades's health every three seconds
stable oyster
It’s like 2 boons that are good alone but have TONS of support boons
Like half of the ares boons are for it
Including legendary and other duos
And it’s dps is great
And you can get normal weapon hits in between rifts
rugged apex
it's like 5 ticks per second, so it's a good 50~ per second usually, per rift?
rugged apex
eh - base value is 10 at common, 13 at epic
rugged apex
though I'm wrong about it being 5 per second it's apparently 10
so you're still basically right
stable oyster
Oh wait I had skull active
rugged apex
anyway vicious cycle and hunting blades synergize really well since, well, the blades will follow their target and ensure vicious cycle keeps stacking
and then you're doing like 70 per tick and that's just nuts
stable oyster
Also the one that sucks them in, as well as the longer duration boons
Which both boost cycle even more
radiant grove
heroes dead in 15 min
indigo compass
nice just did the heroes no dmg
ares on special on shield and just tossing it and dodging lol
and nice that brings me to a 52.5% pierced butterfly goin into styx
radiant grove
FeelsBad I just lost to hades
radiant grove
if only I didnt switch my artemis boon
midnight cliff
I hate the traps in styx
I never get hit by the mobs but I walk into the traps which I trigger myself
midnight cliff
poison be poison 
turbid needle
it's okay to deal with when you know where are the curing stations
wheat elbow
Good to be back in the good old days
Though this run was arguably a bad measure. It ended up being surprisingly strong.
midnight cliff
Triple bomb with faster special huh
native ether
Looks like Invigorating Blast too, though unfortunately I think Blast is the worst hammer upgrade because of how hard it is to get value out of.
turbid needle
and even if you get value then you get hit
indigo compass
just cleared a nice shield run 😃 ares on special was doing 500+ dmg ticks, then i had 11% pressure points ,extra crit vs weak,aphro dash and cast
was doing 1500+ crits at times 😃
broken cipher
Did I see this correctly? The final boss got nerfed? Today is a day for celebration.
gentle pollen
Came out of a successful spear run to see the patch pop up with the nerf, now I feel like I need to load it back up to see how different it is.
radiant grove
I hope I dont lose my next run or my save will be deleted... again
gentle pollen
Incidentally, multi skewer plus doom is pretty awesome.
vagrant hearth
yessss shield knockback is back
Poseidon boons are actually worth something again
faint carbon
you need to get hit twice for that to happen
as you need the boiling blood debuff from the cast
which doubles the damage you take
snow lion
Well looks like a have to read patchnotes first XD
faint carbon
that's been there since the boss was added though, but he was doing 120 damage in 1 hit before the nerf
snow lion
OOF
supple lake
I AM SO ANGRY RIGHT NOW
faint carbon
lol
broken cipher
Don't think of them as giant lasers. Think of them as beams of fatherly affection*.
*Values currently in the negatives.
grand patrol
hdjdncjfj
supple lake
I've tested the bow and the shield and the Rail beat them both in my hands
That was the best run I've ever had.
I even got the sack for the good boy from the second room, lucky.
But then I've learned about the phase two.
I've had 265 hp and 2 Death Defiance and 15% armor and 15% dodge.
Nothing.
sacred swallow
its all about RNG , nothing works better than a good shield with the right rng
supple lake
lasers were the worst, I am still unable to dodge them even from the mobs
broken cipher
His fight is rather frustrating though his nerf is a very, very welcome one. Pretty sure learning his patterns and hoping for good rng is the only help on that count.
I'm excited to pick up the game again and exact some retribution for those five death defiances I was forced to burn through. =_=
supple lake
And there they dealed the most damage
supple lake
I
midnight cliff
Also as a relic use the broken spearpoint
supple lake
I'll try, thanks.
broken cipher
Broken Spearpoint is so good.
supple lake
I died at him just after the patch.
midnight cliff
gives you 1.5 sec shield when you get hit so it doesn't add 30 damage all the time
broken cipher
I still want to test the Myrmidon Bracer though.
supple lake
It was... sad.
Now it's kinda better.
I took Distant Memories.
It was fun.
But it got me false sense of power.
This damage nothing against his dps, I need defense.
broken cipher
Which boons did you take?
supple lake
Artemis much - crit+damage on special and attack, transformed Rail into shotgun with Daedalus and took +1 dash, damage to dash from Poseidon, also +damage on Attack from Chaos.
I was dealing REALLY high damage, took the final boss in a minute or two.
But phase two just shocked me
supple lake
It was sweet, I've seen 600 damage from my shots.
broken cipher
And yeah, phase two is a minefield of misery.
supple lake
Nice way to put it.
Thank you guys, I'm not feeling alone anymore with this fury and sadness.
high stirrup
Do you guys ever struggle with identifying when an enemy is attack due to the effects on the screen? think of ares blade/festive blob on the ground etc. It feels a bit unfair if I get hit by their attacks when I can't see them 'casting' it. Maybe a clearer outline on the enemy would help, maybe there is a better solution.
supple lake
Also, Z. took it better than me. He's always content.
broken cipher
Festive Fog is like the fog of war. Enemies vanish the moment they enter and their attacks come from nowhere if the damage doesn't kill them fast enough. Don't know why anyone would do that to themselves but perhaps the DoT's worth it.
Zagreus is an absolute champ. He just keeps on keeping on.
supple lake
I find him really... inspiring. Wish I would be so kind and calm with the people who are trying to kill me for the hundredth time.
I mean, his flirtations with Meg are the best.
grand patrol
zag is a good guy!!!
supple lake
I find myself trying to talk to people like him.
grand patrol
aaaawww
broken cipher
Family bonding time with Alecto and Tisiphone resulted in some very sweet dialogue too. And his interactions with Asterius are great.
supple lake
I must put it to the feedback channel
grand patrol
rules of zag
-be determined
-be optimistic
-and most of all, be kind
(rules of zag amended as of big bad update:
-be kind, but also, stand up for yourself)
hxbch k im about to fight hades w no death defies lets see how fast im muderated
supple lake
Good luck!
wheat elbow
I believe in you
grand patrol
OK HE GOT ME....got him a lil less than half heath first phase
wheat elbow
He got me good.
In my defense, the build was just whack
Dash Attack Zeus Sword
Common Poseidon Special
And Bouncing Phalanx Shots
Artemis Dash Attack and Poseidon Wrath
Received a lot of useless boons along the way. Which happens if you get stuck with Poseidon.
supple lake
Once I decided to try a new relic and thought between cosmic egg (risky) and upgrading a purse.
Well, guess who greeted me almost every 4 room.
And what I took at the start.
broken cipher
Oh no. Please say you didn't take the purse only to have Chaos actually spawn regularly. That would suck.
broken cipher
Oh no.
supple lake
I don't know if I will ever repeat that.
wheat elbow
Chaos sucks, just ignore him.
broken cipher
I still haven't maxed out their ambrosia so going through Chaos portals is a must. Missing out on dialogue? Not a chance.
supple lake
Absolutely yes.
grand patrol
awww i love them.... i cant be mad if the curses suck bc theyre so smug about it all
supple lake
Supergiant games: everything for the new line and for the 500$ Aphrodite poster.
supple lake
Got it last run.
proud storm
QSDGQHFG you still dont have it,,,
wheat elbow
The posters?
blazing mulch
wohoo i got the poster 2 days ago
wheat elbow
Have them for a while now.
blazing mulch
the 500gold poster 😃
proud storm
just take the purse!!!!
supple lake
Achilles is really nice.
broken cipher
Getting Achilles' was super satisfying. You know what's not satisfying? Aphrodite's showing up in the first pool and never again on several runs.
proud storm
your little bro lends you his lunch money so you can buy a tasteful wallpaper
supple lake
millenials
Yeah, poster showed up immediately when I've decided to do a money run
Of course, I had a purse, a full Mirror skill for this AND Chaos with like +96% on gold.
grand patrol
oh nice
supple lake
Just my nice luck.
broken cipher
Wow. O~O
supple lake
Thank you, Lady Luck!
grand patrol
chaos: here treat urself to a lil something 
supple lake
Z: buys erotic poster
proud storm
hypnos: hey zag, have some of my pocket money to help you escape!!! :^)
zag: (eyeing the achilles wallpaper) y-yeah 👀
supple lake
and those troyan weapons oh boy
grand patrol
aww wouldnt go as far as to say erotic! (esp not in this pg server 
😂)
wheat elbow
You know, I never looked at it like that....
supple lake
well... let's say pleasant to an eye
wheat elbow
How many Obols have I pulled out of that coin purse now?
grand patrol
yes lets!!
thin jetty
zag is a fanboy
supple lake
WHO'S NOT
thin jetty
fair
supple lake
I mean
I've had a run
just to get ambrosia
And then two more
To give it to Aphrodite
Because neither of those didn't show up like for a week.
grand patrol
i want achilles to walk thru zags room to put another weapon in the backyard and be like wait is that me
hold on,
rugged apex
'zag why do you have a poster of me'
broken cipher
I was that way with Artemis. Just. She's so nice and grounded for an Olympian, why wouldn't you let her know you appreciate it?
Oh my god. Could you imagine the fun chat they'd have when Zag comes back?
broken cipher
I did!
supple lake
When she's like what's happening Ath why do you even...
I like her, she's more grounded than anyone else and really cares for Z.
Like a sister.
It feels like it.
grand patrol
artie? yessss
broken cipher
Definitely. She's not just there to have a laugh when he faceplants after getting chewed on by the Hydra. Or to revel in murder Ares.
proud storm
Hades catches on to zag's tendency to buy overpriced wallpapers and uses it against him in his escape attempts
supple lake
I got a little off-top, does anyone else thinks that Skelly is sent by Charon to help Zag?
broken cipher
That or Charon realizes how much money he could drain out of Zag during their chats and decided to give him the one thing he could never pass up. Pictures of his favourite mentor and a metaphorical promise of the paradise awaiting him on Olympus.
grand patrol
hades commissions someone to make a "warriors of Elysium" calendar and then hes like well if u want 2 see all of them u need to stay a year, boy,
proud storm
"But Father, they all look the same"
grand patrol
zag: theres hot people on the surface too!!
hades: is there? have you ever seen one? how do you know i dont make everyone beautiful after they die
proud storm
Well sisyphus would probably be if he wasnt cloaked
supple lake
Just imagine that Supergiants would create a pack of cards with every char on them and never release it because "Z. bought them all like in one run".
broken cipher
Hades playing cards would actually be amazing.
proud storm
By that logic since sisyphus "died" twice (?) hes twice as hot
proud storm
But hes cloaked so. Who knows
stable oyster
Oh no
grand patrol
oh no?
proud storm
Uh Oh Sisyphus
supple lake
I should say that we need a possibility to give Ambrosia to Bouldy.
supple lake
Yes!
proud storm
I dub thee... Bouldy
supple lake
Am I the only one who got ambrosia at max first to the Charon because... well... he's so cute trying to say something in the underworldish...
stable oyster
If anyone gets in the way of sis and bouldy..,
broken cipher
I maxed out best boy first.
proud storm
Underworldish
supple lake
Oh you're so good.
stable oyster
I gifted hades first
broken cipher
Cerberus is good woof. Deserves many treats.
supple lake
Cerberus is the very best.
Any amount of treats.
@stable oyster, were you happy with that decision?
stable oyster
Yea
proud storm
Pyre: we created the sahrian language which is actually somewhat complex
Hades: hhhh
supple lake
hhhhhhhh
grand patrol
i still reallllly want charon to take off the hood and be char-ron 
supple lake
I bet he's the most good lookin' fella.
broken cipher
Mmmurrr, murrrrder!
supple lake
Like theseus will die of jealousy.
stable oyster
To me it was like “listen I know I’m gonna ransack your kingdom and make your life harder, but I can at least be civil about it”
proud storm
Charon's shop but ron's theme replaces the other track
stable oyster
Zag move needs to be a thing
supple lake
That's absolutely cursed OST.
broken cipher
That's some great logic.
Please no.
grand patrol
[gives someone a present] "wow pretty zag move"
supple lake
I will be laughing until I die.
stable oyster
That’s totally zag, man
grand patrol
TOTALLY ZAG, MAN,
proud storm
OH GOD the implications of charon being falcon ron
stable oyster
Zagular
supple lake
You know what's Zag?
Askin your killer how they day went.
proud storm
HERMES X RON.....
stable oyster
Oh no I made kam facesmash
supple lake
You know what's he's trying to say?
chahahaaaahchaaaaaaa
roooooonn
grand patrol
like a pokeron
proud storm
Wig but replaced with zag
grand patrol
ok...........zig
stable oyster
Zag
broken cipher
That one shade in Elysium that cheers for Zagreus trying to get the slang to catch on with all their friends.
stable oyster
Zig zag
grand patrol
zag 👏 doesnt 👏 fly we COVERED this in noclip #2
stable oyster
Gunfloat
supple lake
One of my favourite moments is when Zag asks Charon to pass Hello to Hermes.
grand patrol
charon is like huuurughghghghgh and hermes is like hughhjghghgh to you too and somehow hes saying something very sweet in charonish but totally by accident
supple lake
and the next day there is a Tear of Charon in the shop
stable oyster
Charon can actually speak but he’s just messing with zag
supple lake
release patch - single note: Charon can speak now.
grand patrol
jhgjhghjjh
supple lake
game: nothing changes.
grand patrol
the Whats Up Im Charon patch
supple lake
"Falcharon"
proud storm
Duolingo charon course
supple lake
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
"I'm really glad to see you again."
reef topaz
I don't know if they maybe nerfed him too hard or if I had a really op run but, pre-patch Hades used to eat my death defiances for lunch, post-patch, I had five and didn't lose even one. 😂
turbid needle
I thought I was turbonerding too hard when I started streaking, but I wanna try a playthrough without Olympian rarity boosts or Fated Authority.
quasi knoll
i kinda wish ares wrath stripped armor really fast
turbid needle
That's 2250 Darkness, I think, which is probably the balance standard.
It does if you get Vicious Cycle.
supple lake
What are exactly Fated Authority doing? I didn't understand the description.
turbid needle
I think Blade Rifts are already all some of the best damage dealers in the game, so I disagree pretty hard with buffing them.
Reroll a room.
supple lake
That will be ahead?
quasi knoll
the issue i have with ares wrath is that it requires other boons to be good
turbid needle
I walk up, don't like that Athena is in the next room, press the prompt, and get something else.
Not his Wrath.
Blade Rifts, yes, those need help.
But his Wrath is just a big damage dealer.
quasi knoll
i guess if u fully charge it
turbid needle
It's not great if it interrupts your synergies, and I totally get disliking it for that, but if you maintain contact (which is a skill I like that we have to have to effectively utilize it) it melts everything before Hades.
Yeah, I don't use it in bursts.
Some of the Olympians are good in individual bursts, others aren't.
turbid needle
Meanwhile Zeus and Dionysus are terrifying no matter what, which is a very different feel from them having 100 point Wrath gauges.
quasi knoll
like i feel ares full charge is no better than zeus full charge
which is my main issue
thats why i think it would be cool if it had its own niche
turbid needle
I tend to avoid Athena's Aid, but I saw someone talk about it in feedback and they said that the current time is so short that they sometimes use it too soon.
quasi knoll
like how athena's call is all about damage negation
turbid needle
I've always thought specific armor shredding is overrated.
quasi knoll
thats fair
turbid needle
If bosses had armor, I think the niche would be more justified.
blazing mulch
just tested patch
turbid needle
Technically Hydra does, yeah.
quasi knoll
but thats not worth
stable oyster
I’m sad they nerfed hades
quasi knoll
i guess on higher heat he should be tougher'
stable oyster
Yea
quasi knoll
makes so that it scales better
turbid needle
I love that I can start Hades without the EGS, kinda wish I could update without it, too. But I suppose that makes sense.
quasi knoll
instead of being bonkers hard
stable oyster
Bonkers hard is standard for rougelike final bosses
stable oyster
I hope they add a secret final boss
quasi knoll
i think is artemis's call at 1 charge fired 4 projectiles then it would be good
turbid needle
I like the screenshake that now accompanies a Chaos boon changing.
stable oyster
That would be insane
quasi knoll
maybe 2 or 3?
stable oyster
2 max I think
quasi knoll
or 4 but tone down the damage
but keep max charge the same
as it stands 1 arrow isn't enough
stable oyster
Idk it seemed fine to me
turbid needle
I kinda do wish one had the chance to burst enemies down better.
stable oyster
Many a small dmg buff
turbid needle
But then again, everything else Artemis has is quite strong.
And her Greater Call is still fine.
stable oyster
Not her dash
wheat elbow
Her Dash is secretly OP
stable oyster
Meh
wheat elbow
because it does not crush Hades' Vases
turbid needle
Hunter Dash is good.
wheat elbow
Isn't the highest dash attack 60 from the bow?
wheat elbow
There is also the sword having a double dash attack with one hammer upgrade
turbid needle
possibly okay with Sword if buffed with Hammer
wheat elbow
Then there is heavy slug with the rail for 80 damage.
quasi knoll
i just find having the partial charge being good will force the player to decide if they should charge to full or use it in burst
wheat elbow
You could also make a case for dashing wallop-.
stable oyster
It’s additive
quasi knoll
right now u just use artemis's call at full charge
stable oyster
Wallop wouldn’t work 😦
turbid needle
meanwhile there is no way to make the Spear and dash attack really work lol
wheat elbow
I mean, it's still a stronger dash attack
and I'd say that no dash attack is as spammable as the dashing wallops
turbid needle
almost makes you want to get a hammer that makes your dash attack into the Theseus Bullhorn lol
stable oyster
Yea but Athena hits like 50
And you can dash twice
Pos hits like 80
Artemis dash was insane when dmg stacked multiplicatively
Now it’s just meh
turbid needle
yeah, when artemis dash dmg stacked multiplicatively...
It was pretty nuts with Dashing Wallop, actually. Put it at 100 damage.
it was fun, it was fun doing over 900 damage quite consistently
gloomy scroll
wooooo 'REDACTED' nerf worked, got back and beat it when I had only gotten to second before and died to the pulse like a dummy
turbid needle
So Curse of Special on shield has always been nutty. Why hasn't this been talked about more?
(Cursed Strike/Flourish would be a little more in-line with the naming scheme of other boons and dodges trying to remember which of "Agony" or "Pain" is which)
autumn tapir
I got both Low Tolerance and Spent Spirit
aphrodite is feeling like working as a team this run
gentle pollen
Well, through an amazing combination of the nerf, a fantastic build, and learning the fight, I managed to take out the final boss only losing 41 health total.
gentle pollen
It was pretty satisfying haha. Curses for days.
turbid needle
Well done!
gentle pollen
Thanks! Had the plume up to 32.4% and also had the hermes boon for more dodge, which was kind of crazy haha.
turbid needle
Oh, wow.
stable oyster
Curse on shield special is great
gentle pollen
I really like doom on the shield special.
rancid sedge
I have a question regarding keepsakes, if you keep the one from the previous floor for a god's favor, will it still work on the next floor? for example Poseidon on floor one, keep it floor two. will the next boon be poseidon?
turbid needle
I don't think so, no
stable oyster
I’m 80% sure
green birch
Yes, unless it’s Hermes
Hermes doesn’t interact like the other gods do so sometimes he will show up before your keepsake god
turbid needle
well , gonna test that... but I remember the god keepsake don't work for more than one floor
at least that's what I felt
green birch
Trial of the gods can sometimes also throw things
rancid sedge
I haven't played since a few updates so I don't recall the details
I'll keep it and write here a follow up I suppose
gentle pollen
Dropped the aforementioned 41 health lost battle into self promotion because I was pretty proud of it if anyone wants to see some insanity haha.
wanton niche
Potentially dumb question: Does the dash attack with the rail actually do anything?
rancid sedge
I ended up having to choose between: champion room poseidon vs zeus or a hermes or shop
not sure what to make of it tbh
turbid needle
depends
if you have spread fire? it can
unless they changed the way it works so that it can't hit with multiple bullets ?
The Rail's Dash attack is just a regular shot with a much shorter reload before the next shot.
then there is a typical slug
It's most noticeable with Spread Fire, which seems like a two-shot burst, but if you pay attention to damage numbers, you'll notice the second shot is just a regular shot.
hmm
looks like the god keepsake doesn't maintain it's god boon priority property
Yeah, I wish it did.
wanton niche
So, if I'm just using a vanilla Adamant Rail, it's not gonna be super noticeable if I'm dash attacking?
turbid needle
Nope.
wanton niche
Good to know
light nova
Coooooooool animation of Hades death
Im gonna kill him to see it again. Sorry father :DDD
weary wigeon
I... I did it
I beat the old man
Knowing its post patch makes the whole thing feel hollow though
wanton niche
Just because they nerfed your dad doesn't mean that beating him is meaningless
turbid needle
I beat him even in his final form lol... still he isn't easy
This is much closer to the first iteration of the boss fight.
weary wigeon
Beating him with with 6 death defiances still up
With the spear of all things
Dunno
turbid needle
not sure about that, but yeah... if you play this game with spear, you don't like yourself
weary wigeon
I went for a jab build and just beat the crap out Hades
That plus the deflect/crit boon
turbid needle
Divine Strike?
weary wigeon
I think that's the one
turbid needle
Oh, wow, that's dirty.
weary wigeon
YUP
turbid needle
Interesting.
weary wigeon
Poison carried me through until the boss
He would go invis every time I got more than 4 hits on him
So it just dragged the first half
faint carbon
hades going invis is real obnoxious tbf
turbid needle
not really
it's more that you can't interact with him when he is invisible
unless you play on heat
it's the priscilla dark souls 2 thing
turbid needle
when he is invisible, just look at ground
weary wigeon
It's less an issue of finding him
faint carbon
I don't think i've ever been hit by one of his invisible attacks I just cba waiting
weary wigeon
Losing all of your curse stacks is onboxious
upbeat junco
so how's Hades in the latest patch?
weary wigeon
I beat him for the first time
weary wigeon
Kaioken x5 at best
upbeat junco
nice
grand patrol
he's still mean if thats what youre asking
grand patrol
(gamewise he was nerfed tho hgfhjfj)
weary wigeon
First time I wasn't instagibbed because the urn placement was frustrating
upbeat junco
Well I think I started to get the hang of Hades last patch but if he's better this patch then it's great
it says in the patch notes that they nerfed his health and damage among other things, does it look like they've nerfed his speed as well?
dire cedar
i'm a bit confused. What does Hades' bloodstones do?
placid silo
Stand name: BOULDY
Stand Master: Sisyphus
I have no regrets
weary wigeon
His movement speed seems the same
but his attacks have more of a telegraphed window
and he didn't double dash spin attack on me once!
turbid needle
and he isn't spin to win Garen version
with aoe range spin higher than Hammer Zagreus with full charge
weary wigeon
Just give him Balrog's moveset
Hold down the special button. After 25 seconds it deals 10x damage
turbid needle
Skipped Hydra's last phase. Oops.
turbid needle
Hades just spawned three waves of urns in a row.
toxic saddle
I really like that they added the cloak burning effect so the voice line makes sense now. Now that he's easier I tend to find myself over-preparing by a wide margin as I'm used to what he was like before.
I like that I don't have to have really good rng to beat him now, it's in a much better place as a final battle now IMO.
green birch
@ashen bloom use your special to chip down poison rats and snake stones from behind walls
If you can get an enemy to walk into a trap then that’s just 👌 👌 👌
ashen bloom
@green birch checking my boons, my build is basically is as follows: heavy slug + level 5 divine strike (+80% damage) + Enshrouded strike (+36% damage) + Urge to kill (+8% damage)
there are other boons too, of course 😄 but they are not ornagized
cedar mirage
Does poison count as a trap for dmg reduction via boon?
ashen bloom
I mean this is my 2nd time reaching here, and I'm not a very good (or hardcore) player
green birch
In that case try to special close to your location to try and catch the crawling rats
ashen bloom
hmm
green birch
Wire, don’t believe so
cedar mirage
😫
green birch
¯_(😔)_/¯
ashen bloom
will try to utilize my special, let's see what'll happen 😄
cedar mirage
My life is being ruined by Styx poison
vapid tundra
aww yes having shield knockback again
dense granite
gotten to hades like 5 times, still lose at the seconds phase lol
ashen bloom
he killed me with 10% hp 😦
though I believe I would not survive his 2nd phase, if there is such a thing 😄
reef topaz
What's your weapon of choice?
ivory oyster
ive always loved the spear but picking up the shield has been fun
reef topaz
I could never get into the spear, any tips?
ivory oyster
quick spin and massive spin
turns you into a blender basically
especially if you have really good boons from ares or dionysus
reef topaz
Welp, it's the only weapon I haven't gotten all the lore for so, guess I'll shoot for that on my next run.
ivory oyster
armor skewer for your special is great for dealing with the hydra
or any elites in general
reef topaz
Anyone else feel like the Hydra is just the biggest slog of a fight? I'd honestly rather fight Hades two more times than deal with it 😂
haughty stream
I know its technically a different form of difficulty but it might be fun for the masochists to have an option to fight original pre nerf hades. I kinda miss the satisfaction rather than rolling over him like a truck with my high damage builds.
median ridge
i believe that’s called “heat”
wheat elbow
Yes, that's what heat is for.
native ether
Sextuple damage exists if you would like to fight old hades :kappa:
stoic crest
I finally beat Hades today with a heavy Ares (doom stack) and Aphrodite boon (weak stack) build (3 duo boons, 1 Aphrodite/Ares, 2 Aphrodite/Athena.) Deflect from Athena is so helpful for cast and dash, plus three extra dashes (Hermes) kept me from dying.
wheat elbow
Now imagine each and every one of these poms being a god boon
vagrant hearth
Does the hydra have a slowing move or is something wrong with my game? Dashes and bull rushes are shortened too
cursive citrus
i dont believe there is a slowing move no
vagrant hearth
Oof, bug report time
cursive citrus
also all those poms couldnt have been god boons, as i only have so many from a duo boon that doubles their effectiveness
errant narwhal
chaos curse?
vagrant hearth
Lmao the bug report button threw an error message itself
No, haven't seen them this run
errant narwhal
oof
vagrant hearth
Lost that entire run... I'm back at the House of Hades with 9 attempts (I, uh, did restart the other day. I wanted to get screencaps of a couple funny early conversations anyway.)
i was doing so well, too 😭 I think I was going to beat the hydra this time
grand pollen
I HAVE DISCOVERED THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE GAME! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9gHakrqp3U
turbid needle
Yup.
kind cloud
Quick question on greater call: is that a buff or is that when the meter is maxed out?
nova flame
quick question. what do people mean when they say shield with curse?
wheat elbow
@placid plinth It doesn't say on the tooltip but Artemis' Cast is the only one that can pierce through shields.
placid plinth
Ares cast also does it
And, well, shielded enemies are only in Elysium, and not that much
wheat elbow
Ares cast can't get stuck in the enemy.
placid plinth
So I don't think it justifies that much power disbalance
placid plinth
Also, btw, is Styxbot broken?
wheat elbow
Yes.
kind cloud
370 points of health. And I lost 200 points in a cramped room with 2 giant vermin. Yeah, the person who thought of poison deserves something equally bad to happen to them.
Aaaaaaand now I've lost 2 death defiances over the next 2 chambers.
And hilarious that I have Aprodite's Aid as my call.
errant narwhal
@nova flame maybe that means ares’ boon? It’s called curse of vengeance
ah, the other one is curse of pain
I forgot what it was called initially
kind cloud
Next dungeon...
3 Giant vermin, only 1 cure fountain, and the poison covered it...I went from 165/370 health to 96/370 in less than 3 seconds. lol, f off sgg
Welp...can't wait to see how Hades messes me over even after the new patch. 224/370 health with 1 death defiance.
This will not go well.
Welp...Aphrodite's Aid at max guage got me to phase 2 of Hades. I had Artemis Pressure Points and Marked.
Hades did attacks of 40, 40, 50, 80 in quick succession to knock off my last death defiance and crush me from 185/370 to 0 in less than 3 seconds. lolwut
Was I supposed to play more defensively in phase 2?
nova flame
hey, don't flip off the developer, not nice
finite grail
Best recommendation is to always be playing defensively, especially when the screen is packed
digital lynx
I'm pretty sure unless you have ridiculously high damage, playing defensively is the way to go. Makes the fights a bit dragged out, but still works
hushed ledge
As long as you don't die you win
It's what makes me think the bow and the gun are so strong
digital lynx
I personally can't ever get used to power shot timings or the gun so I hate them so much
Dash attacking + timing power shot takes way too much concentration XD
hushed ledge
It becomes muscle memory fairly fast
kind cloud
@nova flame Yeah, I'm not handling this with class...
@hushed ledge "As long as you don't die, you win"
lol, This is right up there with water is wet in my book.
hushed ledge
It is fairly obvious, but it's also something a lot of people miss
digital lynx
I think muscle memory builds up if I keep playing bow probably. But I don't soo XD
digital lynx
not this crap again*
@kind cloud I think sometimes I get a bit eager to try and do damage rather than dodge. Slowing down fights really helps you more.
kind cloud
So I have a choice to make...should I play with lvl 3 Myrmidon Bracelet or the Spiked Collar lvl 3.
I have 300 health and I somehow have a nice build going right now with Aphrodite call, Ares on dash, Aprodite on cast, aprodite on attack, artemis pressure points.
digital lynx
It's better to sneak in attacks and dodge rather than mash the board
digital lynx
I like Bracelet quite a bit.
faint carbon
broken spearpoint is also a pretty good option
kind cloud
Sorry...I meant to say broken spearpoint instead of the bracelet.
So yeah...deciding between bumping health from 300 to 360 or the broken spearpoint
digital lynx
Broken spearpoint for sure. It's what I take when I feel not confident in the build going into Styx
kind cloud
I'm leaning spearpoint
finite grail
spear point easy
faint carbon
spearpoint, the hp is pretty weak in comparison
kind cloud
I also have 3 death defiances but poison will probably somehow f me over.
finite grail
60 hp is like two hits in Styx
faint carbon
I don't rate the collar
digital lynx
I only don't take spearpoint when I want to try out the other keepsakes
kind cloud
It is the bane of my existence.
finite grail
You’ll block more than that for sure w/ spearpoint
kind cloud
Yep, that's what I was thinking
digital lynx
Yeah spearpoint is crazy
finite grail
I actually think they should bring down the max duration tbh
kind cloud
Btw, does spearpoint protect me from poison damage? (meaning, If i step in poison...do I get a 1.5 second grace period?)
digital lynx
yes it does I think
digital lynx
At least that's what I've experienced when I get poisoned, I usually get quite a long window to cure
kind cloud
Btw, Minotaur either has CRAZY health or there is a bug in the game.
I used max gauge Aprodite Aid (so 2500 auto damage) and it only took ~55% of his health. I couldn't believe it.
digital lynx
I was surprised they actually reduced Theseus and Minotaur health
I felt they were okay where they were
kind cloud
I used Aphrodite Aid on Hydra and it wiped out 50-60% of health and it was an instant kill
Like...I didn't even have to face the 8 mini-Hydras in phase 3
Same thing happened against Hades in phase 1 of my last run...took out roughly 60% of Hades health in phase 1 and led to phase 2 where Hades proceeded to wreck my reckless dumbass
hushed ledge
They were so tanky the fight dragged on forever it needed a nerf imo
digital lynx
Hmm I've only played on 25 heat so I'm not sure whether any heat increased mob health
kind cloud
Right...but what I'm saying is Minotaur is still a tank if Aphrodite's Aid on max gauge didn't auto-kill Minotaur when he's already down 30% health.
hushed ledge
The problem is less is it manageable and more is it fun
hushed ledge
Release hydra was manageable, but in no way was it fun
faint carbon
the elysium fight is also furthur on so it's gonna have more health than the hydra
especially when the hydra also has a load of extra heads you have to go through
the minotaur isn't really that tanky
hushed ledge
I think the issue was more there wasn't enough fight for the time it took
kind cloud
OH MY GOODNESS
I finally beat Hades again. You all were right...the way to beat Hades is by playing defensively. That said, many times I got a bit reckless and needlessly took hits. So I used up one of my 3 death defiances. But I started playing recklessly in phase 2 because I figured this one was pretty much in the bag.
And this time around, Aprhodite's Aid was nowhere as effective. In phase 1, I didn't use it. I waited till phase 2. And in phase 2, it only took about 20% of his health. Hmmm...
Is there some kind of bug in the the game around that boon? Or does Hades have different levels of health in the 2 phases?
If a scrub nooooooooob like me can beat Hades, everyone else should be able to do it too.
And the other lesson I've learned: Broken Spearpoint is super effective against poison. It's a must for me at the Temple of Styx.
nova flame
congrats!
kind cloud
Thanks. This run reminded me how how effective Aphrodite's Cast is. And Ares dash is so good. It's the perfect counter for all the things that chase Zag (the skulls, the mini-chariots, the infected mini-rats, etc.) which are all usually health drainers.
But now that I think about it...I don't think I could pull of that build on Stygian Blade (which was my main until I realized how effective Aegis/Shield is).
The Blade has no long-term capability so I'm forced to be within range of Hades...which means I would have to go for a cast build on Stygian.
silent sable
hey guys just wanted to be sure, but if I take the butterfly (to get 2.5% more damage each room I don't get hit), and then I decide after the boss to switch my keepsake and take a different one, I lose all my damage that I built up with the butterfly, am I correct?
lost rose
yep
silent sable
alright thank you
silent sable
what do you do?
wheat elbow
Absolutely nothing!
silent sable
just walk around and pray? :p
wheat elbow
Not even praying.
Just be the better man and walk away.
Hades will destroy them with his shock wave himself, so by just walking away from him, you can find yourself a spot where you can dodge the wave without triggering a pot or being close to it being triggered.
(Or, you know, you play the shield and just block it off)
silent sable
yeah but he also throws his heads and you can't really dodge them by walking :/
wheat elbow
When he does his vase attack, he always immediatly followed it up with his shock wave for me.
ashen bloom
I was lucky to gather bronze skin level 2 (20% damage reduction) + different league level 3 (19% damage reduction) + greater evasion (20% dodge chance) + passion dash (enemy deals 50% less damage) + heaven's vengeance (defensive retaliation damage) + static discharge (enemies jolted), 3x death defiance + Lucky tooth (that means 4 death defiance 😛 )
you probably have cooler builds, but I just wanted to share my luck
by the way, anyone knows what would happen if somehow player is able to buy additional "yarn of ariadne" (gain greater power from the next boon you find) without spending the first?
weary wigeon
I've never actually tested that myself
I tend to hoard money for shops
@wheat elbow I had that same realization. I would throw a cast at one if its positioning was awkward, just so I could move around better
wheat elbow
@ashen bloom As a matter of fact, I do.
They will get consumed at the same time.
Not sure how that affects rarity since when it happened to me, it was a against a miniboss.
It will list as being "lvl 2" in your boon line up
ashen bloom
hmm, I wished we'd be able to use one-by-one @wheat elbow
wheat elbow
Put it in #hades-feedback
ashen bloom
good thought, I'll do after Hades beats me up
faint carbon
SGG did a good job with the balance patch
120 heat is actually somewhat reasonable now
(legit this time)
faint carbon
faint carbon
look at the timer
wheat elbow
How much time did that take?
wheat elbow
Oh, my.
faint carbon
still took less time than pre-patch save-scumming it
kind cloud
@faint carbon Nice...so 120 heat is doable, huh? I haven't attempted anything above 60 heat in a while.
faint carbon
doable, but not particularly reasonable
although that might've been my pact choices at the time
lol
I don't think vicious torment pacts are viable anymore
wheat elbow
They have a lot of problems.
kind cloud
Yeah, the time stood out to me. lol at a 90 minute run. I could do like 3 zero heat runs in that time span.
wheat elbow
No duo boon rooms and boss fights become DPS races unless you have their attack patterns down to a T
faint carbon
things attack too fast and are too difficult to dodge for 500% torment in styx
wheat elbow
If you take Frenzy with it, then yes.
faint carbon
you'd have to be a masochist to take both frenzy and torment
wheat elbow
I think that without frenzy, you have a solid chance at perfecting Hades
especially with the shield.
faint carbon
without frenzy perfecting hades is pretty easy yeah
on my 500% torment run I got hit twice
wheat elbow
See?
faint carbon
hades was easier than the rest of styx
wheat elbow
If you just improve your performance by getting hit half as much
wheat elbow
you're in for a treat.
Also true.
But again, I gotta say that Styx without frenzy feels doable in that regard.
If anything, I would not want to deal with blue shielded rats
faint carbon
you go try a no-hit run in styx lol
it's doable yes
but not reasonable
even without frenzy
satyrs, laser guys and small rats to an extent are all very "low damage, hard to dodge" kinda stuff but
it's not low anymore with 500% pact
wheat elbow
Athena Cast or the Shield and Satyrs are pretty tame.
faint carbon
when you're fighting one at a time sure
but if you're taking 50% increased enemies
it can be a bit yikes at times
wheat elbow
See, that's the reason why I hate those pact options like the pest.
I had one of my previous 120 heat victories with the same build as you
And I think I like the Torment Variants better
simply because they are faster
wheat elbow
I mean, your run is the perfect example.
You had more enemies and all of them were tanky as hell while you yourself were weak thanks to stifling darkness.
And that effectively TRIPPLED the average game time
faint carbon
yep
wheat elbow
Let that sink in for a moment
(And that is ignoring that everyone was also hitting faster)
faint carbon
on 120 heat torment runs I was almost getting 60% butterfly before theseus and doing them in like 25 minutes
which was nice
lol
I just don't like styx for it
stable oyster
frenzy and torment is tons of fun smh
you get to see your loving father over and over
vivid kindle
Could someone explain how Heroic and Legendary boons work ? Are they just better than epic version ? Are they unique ?
Same with Duo boons, do they just randomly trigger if you have one boon of both gods or is there more conditions ?
faint carbon
heroic is a rarity you only get when swapping an epic to another gods boon
pastel jolt
heroic boons are the next step up from epic and are only acquired through exchange
faint carbon
legendary and duo you need specifics
you can check the wiki for the exact details on that
pastel jolt
it’s all on the wiki
vivid kindle
thx
night compass
the zeus/athena duo boon + artemis extra casts + hermes cast auto return is so ridiculous. i thought this was a roguelike not pinball
faint carbon
thats a pretty neat combo
night compass
update: i got exit wounds 
faint carbon
🤔
night compass
i didnt mean for this to be a cast based run but it was the will of the gods
limber cipher
I haven't even been able to beat newboss with 4 heat. How is anyone gonna do a 120 heat run
faint carbon
I did one a couple hours back
it's just practise
bit of luck
etc
also abusing the shield lol
hollow cliff
Does cast become powerful enough to warrant upgrades to it throughout a run?
I’ve been ignoring it mostly when I play and been doing pretty well without it, but don’t really know if I’m making things worse for myself
faint carbon
Depends on your cast and which upgrades
Some of them like hunting blades and the ares legendary are insane
green birch
Cast is important, it definitely can be a make or break run attribute if used correctly
If you’re unsure of how to use it/want to get more into it, I recommend an Artemis/Sword build to get started
She’s got a billion great cast boons and cast will provide the ranged attack that sword lacks
wheat elbow
@faint carbon Played two 120 heated runs
Got to Elysium 3 boss on the first one and all the way to Hades on the second one.
Gotta say:
120 heat seems to be a lot easier to me now than it did before. Not quite sure on what I pin that though.
faint carbon
indeed
wheat elbow
(neither of the runs lasted for 90 minutes)
wheat elbow
(Not even both of them together lasted that long)
I lkost death defiances in pretty roundabout ways on both runs which ended up biting me on one hand.
faint carbon
the only damage I had was a pom'd common aphrodite on attack
which is why it took so long
wheat elbow
The first run I feel Llost because I made the very bad decision of picking the Athena Keepsake
Ended up giving me the Athena Wrath Effect
faint carbon
lol
wheat elbow
which is the worst
faint carbon
I took the athena keepsake to get the dash in room 1
not sure if that was optimal
but it's a good survivability tool
wheat elbow
Another common occurance was that I got Aphrodite legendary on both runs
I thzink that one was actually helpful.
faint carbon
yeah I imagine that'd be pretty neat
wheat elbow
You have to imagine me having the shield
Pulverizing blow for double attacks on the Aphrodite Weak Attack
And every strike has a chance of charming him.
faint carbon
can you charm bosses? i've not had the aphrodite legendary in ages
so i've entirely forgotten how it works
wheat elbow
Another 120 heat attempt ending at Hades' doorstep
I tried to go for hard damage this time around
Artemis Sword
Till the very end, I never felt like my damage was coming online.
My special was not critting for more than 450 and I did not get the Aphro duo boon, god knows I tried
also, no double nova
faint carbon
getting to hades with sword on 120 is pretty decent
mind you i've not tried sword much but
it's no shield lol
wheat elbow
Getting there was the easy part.
Real talk, I feel like floor 1-3 are pretty doable with 120 heat overall.
Styx itself too.
And I got lucky on that last run, got the treat after two rooms
But still.
faint carbon
I still find hades easier than the rest of styx lol
wheat elbow
Some parts of it are ridiculous, but aside from that...
I feel like I was tanky enough to actually ignore poison
"Tanky" on a run where I was going for "damage"
hilarious, ain't it?
wheat elbow
Like, Artemis was the worst
"Artemis, please give me something good......"
Artemis cast, Quick Cast Drop, 1 more ammonition
faint carbon
lol yes thats what I got from mine
I just sold the extra ammo
was useless to me
would rather have the 40g
wheat elbow
Also
Sword is the worst for heated runs because you just can't do challenge rooms imo.
I gotta say though
These three attempts really helped me see the reality of one particular fact:
"I really don't want to do heated runs anymore."
faint carbon
lol
wheat elbow
Honestly, I have reached a point where they just suck the fun out of me.
I don't enjoy being depowered. I don't enjoy the rooms being overcrowded with supertanky enemies
I hate having "choice" being taken away from me or having things I worked for, my darkness, being gone either.
faint carbon
I can understand that
wheat elbow
I think the game is poorly optimized for fastened enemies, there are so many enemies and bosses that just become busted under frenzy
faint carbon
but 0 heat runs are also super faceroll now :p
wheat elbow
A lot of people enjoy facerolling.
Also, I would not say that Hades is faceroll at the moment.
I haven't checked exact numbers, but to me, it feels like he is between the first two updates
faint carbon
depends on your weapon I guess
wheat elbow
so still a bit stronger than before.
wheat elbow
And people were having trouble with him then already.
wheat elbow
I mean, those are just my experience with sword and board.
The rail becomes boarderline unplayable with Frenzy being active.
wheat elbow
The Bow, at least I have terrible aim with. Whenever I look at videos of other people playing it, they seem to have strong auto aim on.
That just doesn't work that way for me.
faint carbon
I like the bow
wheat elbow
And the spear
heh. Forget about the spear.
Actually, I want to try out a build where you use the Flurry Jab to keep enemies Charmed forever.
grand pollen
I finally had a spear run I enjoyed the other day that wasn’t a cast build
Faster spin charge up plus Artemis Attack and a ton of crit boons, specifically the mark and more damage to armor.
Made it an actually fun build.
wheat elbow
Charge Attack Spear Builds are basically discount Sword Nova builds.
grand pollen
Nova doesn’t hit half the screen though on full charge 😛
wheat elbow
In return, the spear charge only hits once, needs time charging, two hammer upgrades to even remotely function and, of course
almost all Attack boons in the game are weaker than their special counterparts.
It works and when it works, it is fun
But it's still just a toned down version of Sword Nova builds that need a bit of luck and dedication
grand pollen
Oh yeah, no I usually hate the spear in general, just had a random run that felt decent
Honestly does anyone prefer the spear? It was my starter weapon until I unlocked the shield and then I dropped it and never looked back. Every other weapon feels better imo.
wheat elbow
The spear is that weapon that I really want to like and come back to hoping something would make me reconsider my opinon of it.
Everytime, I end up disappointed.
Especially because the special is just terrible.
grand pollen
Same.
wheat elbow
There is one cute build you can do.
Taking the vicious skewer hammer for stronger specials that can crit on the return part
grand pollen
A cast build? 
wheat elbow
Pair that up with Athena special and her debuff and you have a 3 boon strategy for 500 crits
With the returning special.
turbid needle
OOO 
silent sable
do you guys know what a dash attack with a bow does?
I have it in my run but can't seem to figure it out it's weird
wheat elbow
It makes your attack charge faster
silent sable
I feel like when I stand still I do more damage idk..
wheat elbow
You dash, you push the attack button and it will charge much faster than regularly
silent sable
alright thank you
so if I have a +50% damage on dash attack it means +50% charing speed basically?
light nova
which weapon?
marsh pawn
spear with speed attack hammer
light nova
nice
marsh pawn
this poison when combined with pressure points + marked + aphrodite duo which increase the stack to +3 is INSANE
tbh anything combined with marked is insane hehe
weary wigeon
So, had my third win in a row post patch
Just started using a bit of heat to bump up the pressure
I feel very hesitant to tap into runs that lower my darkness pool for the mirror though
turbid needle
You can drop to 2250 and only cut own rarity bonuses and Fated Authority.
weary wigeon
So many of the mirror buffs just make the game feel smoother, although I could make do without the increased boon rarity
Question for y'all: do you feel like Death's Defiance is a crutch?
Do you play with more caution when you don't have them?
I guess that's obvious
turbid needle
I'm about to drop to two DDs on this run, so I'll let you know.
proud storm
aphrodite's aid marks the return of hydra phase skipping
weary wigeon
How's that work?
turbid needle
Main Hydra body only has 7000 HP, so if you're able to inflict at least 3500 damage in a single blow (Greater Call from Aphro does 2500 damage base, before any additives or multipliers), you'll skip one phase.
weary wigeon
Huh
I imagine that could work with Artemis GC but it would have to be a higher rarity than the base
turbid needle
Doesn't.
weary wigeon
Or maybe not since it fires individual shots in a bundle
turbid needle
Bingo.
weary wigeon
That's interesting
turbid needle
Once they hit their Impervious phase they don't take any more of the hits.
Quirk of the engine design.
weary wigeon
I've been having some smooth Hydra fights lately. The fight still drags but it doesn't take me nearly as long to clear it out
I think I have a better sense of building to get through boss fights
I've also had some lucky first room Chaos boons
turbid needle
Early Chaotic Favor boons are the best.
Even when I'm running full Mirror bonuses, that will turn games around (especially because it ups your chances of Duo and Legendary boons spawning).
proud storm
lost two DDs on my way to hades with the spear, this is promising 😐
ive been doing horribly this run like it's kind of jarring sdgfjhg
oh my godd i have never been so furious before like
hades got me and he had like a slither of health left and my greater call was ready
(aphro's)
just as i press f and the little eyecatch plays hades hits me
and i die fgjshgg
turbid needle
Alright, only one thing to do. Gotta commit seppuku to reclaim your honor.
You will be missed.
proud storm
literally i lost two DDs before reaching theseus so i didnt have much hope but then i got to hades with no DDs and 150hp and i thought "oh this is actually manageable"
and then the finger curled on the monkey's paw
faint carbon
I hate the shields more than the spears now
wheat elbow
They are both pretty full of bellony.
Also, Flamewheels and Chariots.
Especially the latter on frenzied runs can put a huge number on you.
weary wigeon
Armored chariots are really frustrating
indigo compass
the little rats in styx are ridiculous elite with whipped frenzy and 2death insurance
just got to hades 60 heat, had 1 dd left and 67hp so wasent rly possible anymore:p, 25% whipped frenzy was just too much tbh, specially elysium and styx
turbid needle
I think the rats, for all that they die in exactly as many hits as they have layers of defenses, are too numerous and a little too quick given their tiny hitbox.
river pier
Aphrodite wrath does not skip boss phases
If boss has a barrier on some hp milestone (they mostly have) - it would reduce hp to this point
Happened to me a lot of time
blazing cedar
hello i am pretty new to the game and was wondering if there are any god that isnt really worth taking or is all the gods pretty balanced?
blazing cedar
okay thanks i was just wondering because i like playing with zeus boons and i am pretty good at choosing the bad stuff in games 😄
hot prism
Poseidon isn't worth taking.
turbid needle
bad take
hot prism
I'd most likely take money, health, or pom over him
finite grail
Poseidon’s really strong with this update I’ve found
Not working on bosses was bad but idk
hot prism
he mostly got nerfed
finite grail
I’m curious to know why you think so
hot prism
his special damage got reduced and ocean's bounty doesn't give health
i think his only good ability is his call
finite grail
Personally I wasn’t using oceans bounty much before this anyways but I could see where you’re coming from. Knockback is super powerful with environmental hazards though
turbid needle
I think his knockback and razor shoals is really good