So after I get the cast and artemis attack, what do recommend for next boons?
#h1-builds-and-combat
upbeat junco
wheat elbow
Go hard on Ares.
You absolutely want Engulfing Vortex and his Legendary.
Without that, the duo boon is still okay, but just tickles
grand pollen
Ares > Hermes > Artemis > Everything else
wheat elbow
I would say that hermes = Artemis
grand pollen
Cast Speed Auto Cast + Hermes Legendary is really good.
wheat elbow
Artemis giving you pressure points, marked and the boon that gives wrath for crits
Oh, and burst shot
grand pollen
Artemis really only needs pressure points.
like Marked is good, but doesnt matter for single target.
wheat elbow
Hades isn't single target though, so you still get some grade A use out of it
grand pollen
Auto Cast is a dramatic damage buff, especially if its an epic, because you have no down time with rift movement.
wheat elbow
Nothing against that
Still, Artemis has a lot more to offer to make the blade rifts stronger. And you can actually "will" her into existance.
grand pollen
Very true lol.
upbeat junco
ok thanks guys I'll try it out later
errant narwhal
@distant rose artemis casts penetrate through shields, like theseus’ and the greatshields.
mentioning this bc I’d argue that makes it unique than the other casts, but I actually don’t remember it being mentioned in game right now?
distant rose
i didn't know it does that. while it's something, the use of this is very limited, almost non-existend if you look at a full run
hushed ledge
Actually, why not make the gimmick of Artemis cast that it goes through armour
distant rose
That would also be an idea, but if you are unable to kill the target with the casts, then there is no point in it. If the enemy survives with even 1 hp, it would still have its full armor up
hushed ledge
It would, but in that case it's still done the same amount of damage, although yeah actually
vivid kindle
Dumb question and the answer will probably be "why not ?" but I was wondering why Alecto is summoning Lout ? They are harmless, slower than her blades, they don't even cluster the room like Megaera minions would. Is it to help player by procing on kill or cleave abilities ? Is it thematical ? Why is Tisiphone alone ? (Beside the lack of communication skill)
green birch
It’s for variance. Alecto and Tisiphone are about presenting a challenge without flooding the room with excess enemies. Alecto gets the louts so she’s different than Tisi/so you’re on your toes cause her room is a lot about not walking into damage. (See: traps, blade rifts)
vivid kindle
Makes sense
grand patrol
(aaawww tisi cant call louts cause she doesnt know what to say on the hellophone)
icy edge
distant rose
i just had a trove encounter in a small styx room and got poisoned. the cleanse was close to the door. while i was still dashattacking around i was closer to the door and just left the room with the trove still active
i never pay attention to the exits while i do a trove, but i guess they are locked, right?
green birch
No, they are unlocked for that very reason (so you can escape if it’s too hard)
finite grail
oh dang, didn’t even know that
weary wigeon
Man did I just have an awful run with the rail
Made it to Big Bad phase 2 but it was a slog
Little to no boons
broken cipher
Oh that's rough. :c
obtuse tapir
A question, how do I avoid BOTH Theseus spear throw and his god power at the same time?
I find it really difficult especially if the god is encouraging you to not move (e.g. Aphrodite)
wheat elbow
His spear is some garbage. Hits me consistently still.
Best advice I can give you is getting a pillar between yourself and Theseus
obtuse tapir
I'm fine at 0 heat at this moment but I don't feel like I can deal with +500% damage later
quartz frost
That boss duo is rough. I feel like getting +dash from Hermes at some point is a requirement for that fight
Just to make sure you dont get walloped by Theseus' spear and the Mino bull rush at the same time
obtuse tapir
I'm fine with that part since both of them requires me to move around
I should keep circling around Theseus and it's usually fine
double dashing gives me enough speed to get away from Asterius (though it's kind of tough without anything from Hermes)
quartz frost
But see thats a problem then if having one is required just to beat them
obtuse tapir
it's kind of tough but still pretty doable
quartz frost
Itll take you far longer to beat them yeah. Lots of hit and run
radiant grove
So after my account reset I stopped playing for a while but now I came back and my first boon is aspo is a Hermes one
I got an epic greater haste, his legendary and a rare greatest reflex
Which do I choose?
green birch
greatest reflex imo
quartz frost
Theyre all good, but evasion can save your ass
static skiff
Why is the adamant so damn boring for me to play with?
static skiff
Oh, I'm doing every attack in the book
weary wigeon
Also because its boring
river pier
Shield is more boring lol
weary wigeon
Dash attacking with the shield is fun
and wall slamming, when it was built in, was a good time
It's too safe of a weapon and too versatile
but I like it when I use it
static skiff
getting poseidon with the shield's fun
weary wigeon
Shield/Poseidon is the only time I like Poseidon in a build
static skiff
I never found myself killing zag in the middle of elysium while having the shield equipped so that makes me deem it as fun
Was running with the rail and got so bored in elysium, I let the enemies kill me lel
wheat elbow
I actually can enjoy Poseidon Sword Nova Builds.
Poseidon Bow Attack is also pretty neat
Also, the Spear is arguably the only weapon that can make good use out of the Dash
static skiff
Straight up, Athena dash attack is a ticket to the last boss for me, regardkess of weapon.
wheat elbow
Deflects in general are always a blessing.
Combine them with Aphrodites Weakening effect and you have gone a huge way towards ensuring your survival.
static skiff
Poison/deflect build in elysium is very noice
wheat elbow
Add in Artemis for redonculous damage and you're gucci.
Just noticed that Athena/Artemis/Aphrodite is a trio of gods having duo boons with each other.
Good duoboons that synergize well with one another at that. Damn.
Enemy projectiles become slower so that you can deflect them easier
weary wigeon
Mmhmm
wheat elbow
Deflecting projectiles makes you more likely to crit
and your crits hurt like a truck
weary wigeon
The slow projectiles has a weird, kinda frustrating effect on Theseus
It doesn't slow his spear
static skiff
I don't really like Aphrodite. Her charm's nice but the weakness is kinda weak, no pun intended.
wheat elbow
Theseus is a frustrating effect everytime he opens his mouth.
What is weak about reducing the damage your enemies deals by 50% paired with some of the highest damage modifiers in the game?
weary wigeon
But it duplicates his spear
so his recall will come from a different direction than his throw
wheat elbow
That isn't exclusive to the duo boon though.
static skiff
Well...the fact that you shouldn't get hit enough for it to matter in the first place
wheat elbow
He was doing that in the last update too.
static skiff
Most damage I take during a run is from aesterius, the hydra and then just get bursted down at the end.
Oh and poison.
lots of poison, poison everywhere.
wheat elbow
Hades, Poison and Snakeheads would be the big damage sources on the final floor.
wheat elbow
Spear Heros, Chariots and Asterius in Elysium
In Asphodel, the guys who throw orange bombs have this one attack where they jump and drop three bombs where they left.
weary wigeon
Beyond the damage output, the fact that they float over pits or off the map if you have knockback in your kit is just bad
static skiff
Spreaders? Like the butterflies?
wheat elbow
The witches in Asphodel are called Spreaders now.
They use that stupid attack where they fire 15 projectiles in 5 directions
And there is always 3-10 of them, so the entire map get's clouded with purple balls.
Usually paired up with other fun enemies like bombermans and gorgon heads to really make you feel the love.
wheat elbow
There was this one person who asked in Feedback to have all projectiles in the game be undestroyable.
I think of that person everytime I step into a room full of spreaders.
static skiff
That dude does not understand the definition of "too much"
sacred swallow
yep for some reason it feels like they are trying to make this game just plain hard not challenging
i hate tha5t
river pier
^
hard holly
It's a hard balance
Though I like projectiles as they are
Only non boss attacks I'd change are snakestones and the satyrs
gentle pollen
The satyrs are the only projectiles that really ever give me trouble, because of how small and quick they are. The snakestones can be a pain if there are a lot of them, otherwise it's pretty easy to dash around behind and go to town.
faint carbon
agreed
satyrs feel problematic at times especially when there's multiple other enemies
gentle pollen
Yeah I always focus them down quick and dash back and forth to try and stay behind them while I'm attacking.
hard holly
Yeah my issue with snakestones comes from the tiny rooms cramped with 3 snakestones
gentle pollen
With the small rooms, if they're not armored I think hitting them at all disrupts the lasers. If they're armored though, yeah, gotta pick your moments.
obtuse tapir
I beat the game for the first time! Shield melee was really, really good as many people said.
I can't really imagine myself beating the game with anything else for now
never went below 50% health for the whole game before Hades, and then spent 4 dds there
weary wigeon
I'm starting to realize what my problem is with Styx
Aside from Snakestones and Satyrs
It's the only zone in the game that feels in line with rogue-lites
gentle pollen
Grats zzt! I thought the same at first about the rail, but the more you try and learn the better you'll get with the others.
obtuse tapir
I really wish I can deal with the skulls well
I can deal with everything else even without the shield (except for maybe those phase 2 traps)
gentle pollen
If you can get some deflect you can send them back to him and not have to deal with them. Otherwise I try and focus them down once they land.
obtuse tapir
but the skulls are quite painful
My main issue is that it keeps following me and its projectile isn't really linear
gentle pollen
Yeah they track a bit. If you can get past them they'll lose track and drop.
obtuse tapir
A dash or two in the wrong direction means I'm still getting hit
gentle pollen
Try and dash past them rather than run away.
Did a run with the duo boon that makes projectiles slower and it actually made the skulls harder because the slower speed meant they kept track of me easier haha
obtuse tapir
Well and my another problem is that I can't really tell if Hades is going to throw one or not
weary wigeon
Sometimes he has a windup, sometimes he just throws them in your face
obtuse tapir
I got surprise hit many times in close range
weary wigeon
Some of the bosses don't telegraph well
gentle pollen
Best advice I can give for that is try not to stay in front of him too long. Dash behind him after a few hits to try and stay out of the way.
obtuse tapir
I really liked the shield because I could put up my shield for long enough and act after he's done doing his job
weary wigeon
Mmhmm
The shield is overall the most versatile weapon because it covers all necessary functions
Defense, range and damage
Not as much DPS as other options but it doesn't need it
native ether
Discussion on Aphrodite debuffs
Although Weak is valuable that it cuts damage in half and there's some later areas where it's considerably more valuable cause it's harder to dodge, that's not the real strength of weak
Weak is an easy to apply Status Curse to trigger Punishment from Privileged Status
gentle pollen
Truth. It's an easy, useful curse with some fun duos. The fact that you get the biggest dmg% increases with it is an easy bonus as well.
native ether
Weak, Poison, and Doom are the easiest effects to get for Privileged Status because they don't require Tier 2 boons.
Out of those Aphrodite's is likely the best because it increases your damage and provides useful utility. (Though Doom and Poison are both still very good)
quartz frost
Man I had a run yesterday with Poison Shotgun, that was super fun. Died in the trial rooms in Styx though. Sucked
Mostly cause I always end up using 2-3 revives during Theseus fight
light nova
Sounds pretty bad
river pier
I have solid theseus fights but I want to note that this duet is very fat
light nova
@wheat elbow as i understood you wrote in feedback about 0.6 duration of Athena's Aid but didn't tell that
wheat elbow
Didn't tell what?
Slightly confused here.
@obtuse tapir If you use your shield, your shield block can actually block off the Bloodstones of Hades.
You need to be careful of his spear thrust attack. That one goes past your block and strikes you from behind, even making you take extra damage if you have the myrmidon bracer.
light nova
Didn't tell everyone what are u talking about 😄
wheat elbow
Ah.
Well, almost 20 people agreed with it, so I take that people got what I meant.
I updated it anyway, thanks for the hint.
light nova
No problems
Also is it problem of everyone that Rare and Epic Athena's Aid duration is 0,6?
wheat elbow
The Wrath effects scale a bit weirdly with Rarity at the moment.
The devs just introduced this concept, so I expect there to be a lot of rebalancing.
Overall, they are making playing the game a bit easier because they give you easy to access on demand burst damage, sometimes with extra percs like invincibility.
That in itself reduced the difficulty of the game and going through the first three bioms really shows that imp.
Zeus and Dionysus' Wrath effects help you cut Theseus and Asterius down so hard
gentle pollen
Zeus' call is so great with the change. Especially if you can grab a boon that gives you a bonus whenever you call.
native ether
I don't recommend poison shotgun btw because I recommend poison flurry fire with Explosive Fire instead :kappa:
Shoots way faster and acts as a permalock stun on whatever you're firing at.
Oh and poison.
However I will recommend Poseidon on spread fire cause lol Knockback and all that damage.
native ether
Depends on you build tbh
wheat elbow
I don't think that building in a way that makes your lowest priority move muich better isn't really worth my while when I can make the strong points of a run much stronger instead.
But that is just my take on the matter.
For my attacks to matter, I need a strong attacking boon and at least one hammer upgrade.
I need much less work for making the special stand out.
light nova
@toxic acorn what's dashing wallop nerf
wheat elbow
50% damage instead of 100%
Also, the targeter looks different.
Before, it looked like you were actually striking everything around you.
Now it's just the front.
wheat elbow
It plays roughly the same, it is just much much worse than before. And looks much less cool compared to before.
serene sleet
Does Hermes Boon still give you the bonuses
after you unequip it?
Hermes Keepsake I mean
@wheat elbow I saw your Zeus Dionysus run, wtf dude
wheat elbow
'twas amazing, wasn't it?
Said it before, saying it again, these two are a match made in heaven.
wheat elbow
Good question. I always go for the room if a god that has a duo boon I want going for him. I don't actually remember ever having gotten a duo boon out of a trial of the gods room though.
In the last update, the second god was guaranteed to give you common rewards, so I'd say that also excluded duo boons. Not sure how that fares now though.
serene sleet
would make sense
wheat elbow
In 40 minutes or so, another video will be up.
my first staggering loss against post patch Hades.
Looking forward to that.
I earned that one.
I like Vengeful Mood quite a lot myself. Very fun boon to get, makes some of the less interesting boons of the four gods in question a bit more interesting.
wheat elbow
Athena
I actually have a run in my pipeline where I got the duo boon and all four of those
That was one of the most fun I had.
Will be up in a couple days.
light nova
The strange things are going on
turbid needle
You cannot get Duos from the two gods of a given Trial, but you can get another Duo if you have the prereqs. For instance, you cannot get Hunting Blades from an Artemis/Ares room, but you could get Deadly Reversal and Vengeful Mood.
wheat elbow
That so? Fascinating.
@light nova I don't think that Daedalus is even helping Zagreus.
He probably is just the poor guy who has to fix up the places after Zag messes it up and leaves his hammers behind.
reef topaz
I hope that's canon
light nova
@wheat elbow hahaha maybe
By the way that means that Zag is a good enge by himself and he is tottaly can choose by himself
wheat elbow
he learned fighting from Achilles.
I am sure he thought him a thing or two about weapon maintenance as well. That probably comes in handy for weapon upgrades.
Also, the codes entry implies that Zagreus rebuild the Stygian Blade himself.
light nova
How to make railgun from just a gun? XDDD
wheat elbow
'...Stygius, the Blade of the Underworld, must have been among the finest weapons ever wielded, back when it was whole. Back when the six elder gods sealed the Titans in the deepest recesses of Tartarus, that blade evidently played no small role in their success. It must have been Lord Poseidon who brandished that blade, before he opted for that trident he so likes. Now the blade lies broken, survived only by its burning soul. I knew that Master Hades would pay little heed if I provided all the shattered remnants of the thing to his own son, who naturally was able to reconstitute them into something more than functional, indeed.'
gentle pollen
Out of curiosity, how high have you folks managed to build up the plume and butterfly heirlooms?
wheat elbow
On the current update, I beat the game with the plume ones managing every room minus Hydra and Hades.
31.2%
wheat elbow
Did not do a butterfly run either.
Also, the run I was talking about where I lose to Hades big time in the current update is up now.
Looking back at the run, I could have beaten him if I would have taken the game serious from start to finish. I made a lot of bad choices that I would not have made if I would have known that Hades would be twice as strong as before.
I was thinking they'd buff him like, dunno, 10, 20, maybe 30% all across the board.
Man, was I wrong....
light nova
Does Chaos boon for Special +damage will add that damage to Ares doom?
toxic acorn
yeah
ashen bloom
hello, newly started playing Hades. Quick question: How useful are the keepsakes of Olympians? (for example, referring "Hades gamepedia", Overflowing Cup: The next Boon you find will be from Dionysus. His blessings have +10/15/20% chance to be Rare or better.) How can the player utilize them? any tips?
river pier
If you want to make some build that requires specific god, you can pick their keepsake to get guaranteed boon + they will be more powerful
ashen bloom
but it will be random boon in the end, right? Even from the Correct God, I'd also need the correct boon
still, I's better than nothing I believe
river pier
2nd buff (+% chance to be rare or better) affects all boons from this god, not only first one
ashen bloom
hmm, I see that seems good if you know what build you want
wheat elbow
Having the god keepsake absolutely beats not having a keepsake and overall, it still helps boosting consistency.
river pier
There are duo boons that require boons from 2 gods, so you can use keepsakes to get at least 1 guaranteed
ashen bloom
what would you say about "cast" attacks? does it have potential?
river pier
My opinion is - casts work good only with artemis passive boons (reduce dislodge time, dmg on dislodge, double cast, +cast charges), if you get some of them - they work cool
Also I love poseidon cast 'cause the damage is good and it works with big aoe
wheat elbow
Depends where you are, where your build is at and what kind of cast you are being offered.
ashen bloom
hmm, so with Artemis, cast can be turned into a "marking" option, cool
wheat elbow
Casts early on can be pretty great. 1-3 casts can kill pretty much all enemies in tartarus and some boons like Athenas or Poseidons make for strong room clear.
ashen bloom
I should become more familiar with the gods & their boons I see
proud storm
Fun fact: no more than 2 snakestones can target you simultaneously, though two is already enough,
river pier
True, before I learnt I was thinking "this boon is useless" about most of 'em but they work good on specific builds
ashen bloom
so far I'm not enjoying Posedion's boons, but I believe I was not using them correctly
vagrant hearth
@serene sleet vengeful mood is excellent
ashen bloom
I'm not a hardcore player, so these will come into sense in time for me 😄
wheat elbow
@vagrant hearth Still ended up losing the first run I got it in.
It happened to coincide with the Hades Apocalypse
vagrant hearth
i gather (although I haven't gotten to try it myself) that you can have more than one revenge effect, so that + vengeful mood = FUN
wheat elbow
I had three on the lost run,
vagrant hearth
eh, you can have excellent boons and still get screwed by the RNG in other ways, run into something you're not prepared for, etc. Doesn't mean they're bad boons
wheat elbow
One of the bad decisions that lead to my loss.
I wanted Holy Shield to also apply the debuff
instead of taking a death defiance of Athena.
vagrant hearth
i had a pretty amazing set yesterday and the hydra still trashed me bc i haven't gotten the hang of dealing with all its heads yet
wheat elbow
Nah, trust me
OH COME ON!
The loss was build of bad decisions born from an overconfident attitude.
ashen bloom
overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer 😛
wheat elbow
I am not usually prone to that. I was absolutely confident in my ability to kill Hades with what I had and was going with
But that
blasted update
vagrant hearth
(unrelated: i see in the feedback channel there's one about Bull Rush blocking attacks from behind as well. Can anyone confirm? I know I've gotten hit from behind/the side while defending plenty of times)
wheat elbow
The charge only blocks from the front. I don't know about how the actual rush itself behaves in terms of blocking, but I am very sure, very very sure
that I never received a hit while the dash is going.
(If you do have Athenas Attack though, the Bull Rush can deflect all sorts of attacks)
brisk island
guys, how to resist the 4 Chaos Boons in row and not die on Hydra (75 heat)? 😂
wheat elbow
Never take Chaos Boons.
One of the easiest ways to help you ensure victory.
Always and evermore.
Being good 2 out of 10 times doesn't make up for the 6 times it has been useless and the others where it has been actively helping you end yourself.
Especially with how short floors are at the moment, you don't want to takje Chaos down to a boss.
Please don't hurt me.
formal hill
hey I have a question! Sometimes while fighting, Zag does an audio cue like "no no no no no!" or just a big grunt, and then has a shield show up that makes him impervious?
does anyone know what that is, and if so can you ping me?
atomic panther
That means you took a significant chunk of your health as damage and you've become briefly impervious
atomic panther
Don't feel bad, that means that there's only been two times you've taken a huge chunk of damage (an objectively good thing)
ashen bloom
there might be more exciting builds, but I enjoy Coroncaht (bow) + Relentless Barrage (special fires 100% more shots) + Blight Flourish (Special iflicts poison) + Bad influence (bonus damage if 3 foes are poisoned) 😃 I was worried that I wouldn't enjoy the game (I'm not good at these kind of games), but so far so good
another question: anyone knows why one of these are more "shiny" ?
hmm, I cannot upload images 😦 I was wondering why one of the boons was shining with light ( or emitting light)
grand patrol
you can use a link to upload an image!
finite grail
They’re statistically more likely, I believe
also why some poms shine in Styx because they grant two levels
finite grail
NICE
light nova
I'd like to ask also how Curse of Longing works?
I should hit enemy with Weak and then with doom?
river sequoia
yes
when an enemy is weakened and you hit them with a doom effect it will continuously hit them for 25% damage as long as theyre weak i think
atomic panther
It's 2500 at Epic?
unkempt pagoda
@ashen bloom that's because hermes boons always shine
olympian boons only shine in trial rooms i believe
ashen bloom
thank you
brisk island
@wheat elbow Ow dude you serious? Or just probably you run through without h-e-a-t? 
kind cloud
Someone explain to me how to do 2500 damage from Aphrodite's Aid. Why would it ever be less than 2500?
formal hill
@finite grail YO WAIT POMS GRANT TWO LEVELS IN STYX????? OAO
I didnt even notice when i bought a pom.....
finite grail
The shiny ones, yeah!
unkempt pagoda
@kind cloud you have to max out the god gauge and get greater call in order to 2500
if you call for her beforehand, she just does her base ability
upbeat junco
What do you guys think is the best builds excluding Hunting Blades?
kind cloud
Thanks @unkempt pagoda
stable oyster
river pier
Excluding Artemis
toxic saddle
Ares/ Aphrodite is quite strong right now
rigid crane
toxic saddle
F
reef topaz
I just demolished Theseus and Asterius in like 15 seconds 😂 Athena/Area duo + Doom on special + Daedalus 8 hit upgrade on Shield, such delicious cheese
upbeat junco
I usually use Bow when I'm doing Ares Athena build, what is the best weapon for it?
reef topaz
Yeah, shield is pretty bonkers
turbid needle
I find its design extremely boring to use, so I never bother with it even tho it's supposedly very good
lost rose
it's safe and less nervewracking to use than the other weapons, it gives me breathing room to learn how to handle new enemies
native ether
Ironically I think Sweet Nectar and Exclusive Access are actually overpowered.
cedar mirage
poison is the worst thing ever devised
im steaming mad
the fact that the cure requires "e" rustles my jimmies
native ether
Think about it. Even if you pick it up pre-Styx, you will have likely 3 Poms in Styx (1 room, 2 shop usually, this is albeit more random)
Exclusive Access you're guaranteed 2 boons. Potentially 4 or 5 depending on your shop rolls.
That's a lot of value tbh.
cedar mirage
exclusive access is fantastic, i couldnt believe what i was reading when i got it first
native ether
I think the issue with Sweet Nectar is more that poms are so random themselves it's hard to get value
wheat elbow
@brisk island I was being facetious there. God knows I hope they will realize it.
They do read this chat though, so.....hoping for the best!
wheat elbow
I broke the feedback channel
Posted in there without voting options!
Also
This is why you never pick Tenebrous Veil
grand patrol
yeah, styx is dead! ill get on adding marks
kind cloud
"poison is the worst thing ever devised
im steaming mad
the fact that the cure requires "e" rustles my jimmies"
lol, I was quite close to going off on Supergiant's creators on the feedback channel for the game mechanic. It's damaging enough on zero heat runs. It's near instant death in heat runs with the damage multiplier.
@cedar mirage
reef topaz
Yeah poison is deff infuriating
native ether
I think the better option is to rework the Pact of Punishment in all honesty
Poison is quite balanced with 0 heat
atm I personally believe the game is broken in an unfun way with heat
game minus final boss is pretty fun and challenging with it
better option is to figure out the baseline difficulty first then rework the pact
i expect the pact to be getting changes as they work on end game replayability
kind cloud
"Poison is quite balanced with 0 heat"
WUT
I took 60 points of damage in about 7 seconds. (I intentionally got hit by poison to see if I was seeing it wrong. Nope. I counted "1M, 2M, 3M, 4M, 5M..." and repeated it multiple times.)
distant rose
i think for runs up to 50 heat, the pact is fine. giving you a good amount of options to customize
native ether
Everything else in Styx can do that much damage that quickly lol
Snakestones do even more if you get hit by more than 1 laser at a time, that damage stacks
distant rose
also, if poison is your bane, take the broken spearpoint keepsake
kind cloud
Naw man. When I get to Styx, I usually have around 250 points of health. I lose about 75-100 points depending on run. About 2/3 (66%) - 3/4 (75%) of damage I take is from poison. By the time I get to Hades, I enter with around 300 - 325 health through hearts.
native ether
so i hate saying "git gud" because i find it a pretty bad argument but out of everything in styx but i honestly find poison the least damaging thing in styx
kind cloud
I'm almost always in the "Git Gud" camp but this poison thing is baaaaaad.
native ether
maybe its because i recognize it as a big threat and constantly play near the fountains
kind cloud
I do too.
native ether
i definitely think dashing thru a fountain should auto cure you\
kind cloud
And I still take huge chunks of damage.
maiden wadi
Poison just makes me panic at times;;
native ether
and i wouldnt be against like a 1 or 2 second delay before poison starts to actually damage you
maiden wadi
It kind of does that thing where it triggers the flight or fight instinct haha
kind cloud
My worst run is when I had around 400 points of health and I lost 250 points of health to poison in about 20 seconds combined. WAT.
maiden wadi
oh my
native ether
dont think the dps should be dropped. Things in styx need to do honestly a metric crap ton of damage so the biome is actually threatening.
kind cloud
And that was a 0 heat run iirc.
native ether
i havent found styx threatening until all the enemies got their buffs last week tbh. It was just super easy
now if we wanna discuss things that are overtuned i think the snakestones are just a tad lol
kind cloud
Hades now has a near inescapable attack that does 160 damage. I was stunned. And that's on top of the other attack that does a cool 75. lol, wtf
broken cipher
Satyrs are more or less manageable if you have a good deflect boon but giant rats spawning in when there's no space to avoid their poison just feels bad. You can camp out at a fountain as much as you want, the floor's still covered in poison and standing on it is inevitable.
native ether
oh i think the final boss is way too overdone atm\
kind cloud
I haven't touched the game since that fight.
native ether
like pure vessel levels of overdone
kind cloud
lulz, YES
native ether
and thats a 112% completion fight buried in the back of the game
kind cloud
Like...I know I signed up the roguelike genre but "C'MON MAAAAANNNNN!!!!"
limber cipher
yay i win!
so i had stygian blade, with crit on attack, weak foes take more crit damage, weak dash, hunter's mark, special give blad +crit chance, the "after you deflect, gain 35% chance to crit" duo boon, and pressure points
so basically im crit boy?
turbid needle
Zagreus, the God of Talking Back to Hades and Critical Hits.
limber cipher
i just realized that unless Hades uses pseudo random distribution, there's a non-zero chance that all those boons would never work
turbid needle
Did you have a Deflect mechanic?
Because if you did, only one that wouldn't would be Hunter Mark (now that it only Marks something near the enemy you crit), but he is guaranteed to spawn enemies during his first phase, and his Bloodskulls can be crit to proc Hunter Mark on Hades.
limber cipher
yeah i had deflect on special
kind cloud
Dammit...I told myself I wasn't going to play Hades again until after the new patch (I was salty AF about Hades getting buffed like he's Ruby Weapon or something) but after reading about how @limber cipher won with a crit build on Stygian, I might get suckered into giving it another run.
limber cipher
oh no i mean more like
everything that crits is based of of having a 15% chance to proc
so its possible for it to just never proc
kind cloud
What is proc?
turbid needle
Activate.
limber cipher
occur
kind cloud
Sorry, I'm just not good on video game lingo.
turbid needle
I've forgotten the actual etymology behind it, I should probably stop using it until I do.
See, that's why I like level 3 Epic Hunter Mark, because last time I had it it was at 79%.
At that point not critting is the outlier.
limber cipher
also, even though i think old hunters mark is better, the new version is so much cooler thematically.
its like artemis is choosing who she wants you to kill
turbid needle
And CC, lemme share a video with you.
...I'm looking up my video by its name and YouTube is giving me "Sorry, doesn't exist."
limber cipher
also cinematic, yeah the final boss is pretty hard. once you know the patters its much easier
also schpoonman, that sux
turbid needle
Oh, right, unlisted. I'm a dumby.
limber cipher
kek
turbid needle
limber cipher
oh yeah that was my other run from earlier. aphrodite legendary boon on rail+shotgun spread. 5 shots, each with a 15% chance to charm Father. even though the charm is like half a second, hades felt out of commission 10% of the time.
turbid needle
Making Charm affect bosses certainly makes it more useful now.
I haven't been hit by any of my guys yet, though I suppose that's because I almost never go for it.
kind cloud
14602 critical
SHUT THE FRONT DOOR
WAT
turbid needle
I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE HEART REND.
limber cipher
what the... hell... haha.........
turbid needle
It could have been worse.
kind cloud
So help me understand...what led to that huge critical number?
turbid needle
So crits are (I think) the only multiplicative damage booster, right?
kind cloud
I'm guessing you had Aphrodite's Legendary at full wrath/call with greater call. Is that right?
turbid needle
Yes.
kind cloud
But what Artemis ability multiplied the damage.
turbid needle
Pressure Points.
kind cloud
Hmm. Noted. Will need to try that...
turbid needle
The first phase Hades was Marked.
The second I said "screw it, not waiting for him to spawn adds now that I'm a hit away" and Artemis gave me the out.
I briefly mouse over some of my boons, was gonna do all of them, but if you pause you can see them.
vagrant hearth
Oof. Almost beat the hydra that time (and tbf part of the problem was accidentally bull rushing onto the lava, which is entirely my fault)
turbid needle
RIP. You'll get it!
vagrant hearth
There really is a bit too much going on at once during the later phases of the hydra fight- my laptop was actually lagging at points, between the fireballs, the skeletons, the pink magic missiles...
turbid needle
Zag's exasperated "Any more heads you'd like chopped off? No?" gives me life every time I'm having a bad run.
vagrant hearth
i don't know what you would do with the sword, getting up close to the lava-spitting heads would be suicidal
broken cipher
Dash attacks.
turbid needle
They actually will spit lava around you.
Gimme 20 or 30 minutes, I'll start streaming and try to give boss tips while I play.
vagrant hearth
(as for the spear.... I tried it on one run, and died in like five rooms lmao)
turbid needle
HECK the spear (unless you get Quick Spin).
vagrant hearth
and i'm not going to be online much longer (gotta be up early tomorrow) but thanks anyway!
turbid needle
Exploding Launcher or Quick Spear or get out.
broken cipher
Also, I love how Alecto's reactions to Zagreus are basically my reactions to the final boss.
How would you go about getting a good Spear Run?
turbid needle
The same as any run: Pray Chaos takes pity on you and you get good Hammers/boons.
vagrant hearth
/looks it up on the wiki
oh that's what the red things were, i was avoiding them assuming they'd hurt me in some fashion
no wonder there were so many skeletons
turbid needle
And in the necessary orders, too. Taking Heavy Slug doesn't help if all you get that run is Zeus and Dionysus.
broken cipher
Hoping that Chaos comes through has led to some bad times. The worst thing is equipping the Cosmic Egg and then not even having a Chaos room until nearly the end of the level.
turbid needle
I'm a jerk and say Chaos to mean RNG, same way I'll say "Blood and darkness" instead of using profanity.
Sorry, didn't literally mean Chaos, though Chaos can help.
Affluence and Favor boons have won me runs before.
broken cipher
XD Fair enough.
turbid needle
I've felt your pain of equipping Cosmic Egg and seeing no Chaos boons for the entire biome.
Now I'll only take it if there's a Light of Ixion in the shop and I don't have a defined build already.
It really needs to increase Chaos' spawn rate if it's gonna be worth taking.
broken cipher
I don't even know where to start on boons for Spear. T~T
Oh that's actually a smart move. Checking the shop before settling on a keepsake would've saved me a lot of trouble that run.
turbid needle
If you for some reason want to run Flurry Jab, Zeus or Dionysus.
broken cipher
Definitely. On another run I had Chaos gates spawning every other room. The time I actually had the egg? One.
obtuse tapir
Yeah I also think Chaos is the biggest RNG source in the game
turbid needle
Otherwise, the usual big DPS gods (all the Olympians starting with "A") are all good choices.
Does it feel like the inferno bombs spawned by Caustic boons aim at you when they spawn?
obtuse tapir
Not really
turbid needle
If you for some reason really want to run Flurry Jab (I don't recommend it, your spin attack is your best DPS) you could shoot for Zeus or Dionysus.
broken cipher
Olympians starting with "A". Got it. XD
No no no, I need an AOE. No AOE is a death sentence.
turbid needle
Quick Spin, Massive Spin, and Exploding Launcher are the go-tos.
broken cipher
Quick Spin reduces charge time right? I'll pray for that first then.
turbid needle
Yup, lets you use max charges way more frequently which is sweeeeet.
The speed on the recovery from it is something else, too.
In fact, if you could only get one of the two I'd recommend Quick Spin.
broken cipher
Okay so, Quick Spin for quicker...spins. xD Massive Spin for increased range and...what does Exploding Launcher do?
turbid needle
Turns your fire-and-return special into a grenade launcher.
broken cipher
Excellent.
turbid needle
It's one of the 80 base damage Hammers so you get nutty damage bonuses.
It was 80 base damage for a while, then they changed it to +80% (I think the same update at the universal additive bonus), and only just changed it back.
Okay, gotta go shower, been putting this off all day.
broken cipher
Alright, thanks for the help! ^~^
turbid needle
Always happy to help.
wheat elbow
@turbid needle Pretty sure it's 65 base damage now
wheat elbow
No idea why everyone wants to buff Dionysus always. He already is among the top 3 gods in the game.
broken cipher
Honestly, I just like the idea of more Duo Boons. And while the damage increase isn't absolutely necessary it's always nice to be rewarded for great play. Like with fountain rooms being essentially useless if you got to them unscathed, hard caps can feel somewhat frustrating.
broken cipher
@wheat elbow So I'm part way through watching the video you just posted, nice run btw, and I noticed you mentioned Spent Spirit showing up being a bug. Isn't that the Duo boon for Athena and Aphrodite though? You took Aphrodite's dash so I assumed it met the conditions.
wheat elbow
It is!
In my head canon, it is the duo boon between Athena and Dionysus.
That "Spirit" always reminds me of alcohol, making me think that Dionysus is involved.
broken cipher
Oh! XD Fair enough.
errant narwhal
well, there’s more than one kind of spirit, though?
wheat elbow
There are lots of different spirits, yes.
Pretty sure that is not a topic we should discuss here though.
errant narwhal
when I think of “spirit” I think about, like, soul before alcohol
wheat elbow
Family friendly discord and all.
Oh, thats what you meant.
Yeah, but what God would you think about when you hear "Spirit"?
Another reason why I thought it'd be fitting is because Dionysus also is the the main olympian with a slow effect in his pool
errant narwhal
whatever god is associated with ghosts 👻
wheat elbow
That'd be Hades in our case
who, mind I add, hasn't giving me any boons thus far.
Just beatings
errant narwhal
yeah, I’m just being difficult
wheat elbow
Don't worry, my dear, you are not good at being difficult.
So, I hope they will patch tonight.
They said to expect it sooner than later.
I would love to see Hades to be just reverted back to his previous state.
With a little less stealth action
And no invincibility as he summons goons.
perfect boss fight
broken cipher
If only. With that reversion I may actually be able to beat him one day. T~T Excellent work with that Shield run, too! ^-^ I see what you meant about Zeus's low charge call still being effective.
The ending narration with Zag running into a wall is hilarious and I'm actually a little sad it won't appear in the full version.
wheat elbow
Maybe they will build in an easteregg or reference for that in at soime point.
There has been an ending voiceline saying that Zag died because he was ambushed by a bunch of vile rodents.
Look at Styx now and we actually met them.
Maybe there will be a wall at some point that will have hints of the impression he left on it as he ran into it.
broken cipher
That'd be great~
wheat elbow
Doesn't even have to be all of them, just some.
There is one about Slamdancers, that one can technicly come true if Hades summons them.
broken cipher
Oh yeah, all of them would probably be too much work—especially when there's other things to prioritize. A few choice lines being referenced somehow would be great though.
wheat elbow
Okay, let me paint you a picture of complete and unadulterated pain.
Imagine having epic exit wounds, 300 damage
And six cast stones
And faster exit so that you can pump Hades full of your casts for 6x 300 damage + 6x 150 damage for the cast themselves, right?
Now imagine Hades ALWAYS entering stealth so that you do not get off even a single instance of exit wounds
distant rose
@humble knoll Even if you find the sack in the first chamber, you can still enter the other 4 and get the rewards. The downside to this is that you already used the fountain at that point and have to rely on luck finding a well of Charon to get a heal if needed
humble knoll
Yeah that's also what i meant, just didnt write it down properly
nova flame
so how does re-rolling the chamber rewards work? from what i understand, there are 2 sets (key-darkness-skull-ambrosia) and (boon-heart-pom-hammer-gold). it only rerolls within the set, at least from what i saw. is that correct?
grand patrol
check the pins in here for a detailed chart :>
nova flame
oh nice! thanks!
pastel jolt
it makes me so hapy when people use my chart :D
nova flame
it's a good chart!
tranquil ice
Is it possible to stack attack or special augmenting boons, such as Divine Flourish and Blight Flourish?
lost rose
No - you can only have one boon per type of weapon attack, e.g. one special boon, one dash attack boon, one cast boon, one attack boon
sometimes you'll get offered an exchange, for example if you already had divine flourish, dionysus might offer blight flourish at a higher base power level and you'd have the option to switch over to dionysus', but you can't have both
lost rose
no prob!
obtuse tapir
From my experience Chaos doesn't have any kind of restriction - it's possible to have more than one Chaos boon for the same skill, potentially allowing for massive damage increase.
grand patrol
a really fun run might be a "load up with as many curses as possible" run
i might try that sometime actually ghfcghfdghfgh
obtuse tapir
I once got >+140% damage boost from Chaos for my rail special which already had epic Artemis boon
grand patrol
OOH
wheat elbow
Especially now that you can sell god boons, I would love to do another "Finish the game with as little olympians as possible"
obtuse tapir
Which resulted in like +220% damage with 20% critical chance
wheat elbow
Basically just you, your weapon, 3 hammers, loads of Chaos and Hermes Boons and a bunch of centaur hearts
obtuse tapir
it also had the hammer upgrade so I could deal around 1500ish with a single cooldown
errant narwhal
Someone here said that once they had 4 curses active, the first one just disappeared?
or something like that
toxic acorn
i'd just like to confirm before i post in feedback, but if you take a chaos or infernal gate, that'll take up a floor from the biome you're in right
confirming that it's both chaos and infernal gates and they both do this? i just don't want to look like an idiot lol
obtuse tapir
as far as i know that's true
toxic acorn
i was like 90% sure, yeah
obtuse tapir
I remember taking an infernal gate instead of visiting a shop to get rid of chaos curse asap
toxic acorn
that's kinda ridiculous though tbh
like, infernal gates especially
i'll post it in feedback gimme a second to type it up
fluid moat
Yeah I felt it was better with larger room size, but I mean you are still collecting 1 reward for 1 room with the chaos/infernal
toxic acorn
i understand that but like
with chaos boons specifically, the downsides are huge
the upside is that the boon can "stack" on other boons
and that's not worth it
like it's a lot better the way it currently is for like, speedrunning totally
fluid moat
Downsides as in the health or debuff for 3 rooms?
Most of the time the debuff doesn’t do anything to hinder my ability to clear rooms
toxic acorn
combination of health loss + debuff + missing a known reward + completely random next reward
the debuff isn't that big usually, i agree there
fluid moat
I mean boons aren’t really a known reward in that regard then as well
Hermes daedulus etc
toxic acorn
by "known" i mean "shown" i guess, like you're shown what reward you'll get
fluid moat
Health loss is a problem on runs where cthonic vitality is not in play for sure
toxic acorn
with chaos, it's a shown reward as well so i guess that downside is mitigated there, but it still feels bad to skip a pom for chaos and then have the next reward be darkness. that's just really feel-bad
fluid moat
Sure usually a chaos boon does a lot more for a character than a POM
I have had chaos wells where I get nothing out of it and that feels bad
toxic acorn
i guess at the end of the day, i'd rather chaos and infernal gates were bonuses and not replacements
chaos definitely doesn't feel "better" to take than not
native ether
Hard agree with this cause I think the price for taking chaos gates and infernal gates is high enough
wheat elbow
There is a small thing about Erebus Challenge rooms though
They can't seem to drop you off in boss rooms. If you find a challenge room in front of a floors last shop, it is always worth going ionto it because the three exits you get afterwards will lead to one of two free Items and/or the shop-
toxic saddle
That's the 3rd spear run in a row where I got the same hammer boons, I just want an exploding launcher run smh, feels like the hammer most of all should change depending on what it's given to you in your last run or 2.
midnight cliff
I feel like that the best stuff is only at the end
3 runs I had the triple bombardment upgrade near cerberus
spear exploding shot was near the end aswell
toxic saddle
I never really go for the hammer at styx, so that's probably a factor
midnight cliff
for spear I do it helps alot
toxic saddle
but by the time you get there your run has already solidified so I'm loathe to take it by that point instead of building on what I've already got going on
midnight cliff
faster spin for sure then the range uprgrade + the q explode upgarde
turbid needle
I have never once ever not regretted taking a dash curse from Chaos
midnight cliff
Sometimes you get alot of bad luck ---> Those crystal turrets
toxic saddle
Right but the issue is that for 3 runs in a row I got 1st hammer fast spin and 2nd hammer the bigger better spin and that's really great and all but I just want to throw explosions
midnight cliff
not dashing destroys you on that one
I still think they did something so that the 'best' upgrade is at the end
toxic saddle
Hammers are the worst thing for when you decide you want to do a certain type of run, as they always seem to have other ideas
Really doesn't make sense if that's true, a roguelite is all about the build up to me.
midnight cliff
I kind of hate how hammers are no brainers to go to. Once you see that icon everything else becomes moot
considering there are only 3
toxic saddle
Tbf they're one of the few items that fundamentally change how the run is shaped
How you build etc
wheat elbow
@toxic saddle Consider taking that flurry jab hammer upgrade when it's offered early. That takes out both charge attack boons out of the pool, leaving only specials and like one attack related boon in the hammer pool.
midnight cliff
It can become messed up if there are other things you need
wheat elbow
Of course, that dooms you to be left alone with only regular attacks.
toxic saddle
Yup. Which for spear I find genuinely terrible
The charge attack is the only real damage dealer without the exploding launcher or the crit special that never seems to crit without Artemis
midnight cliff
I want to think that weapons need to scale slightly upwards the further you go to the end but then again it takes away the challenge
the gun is just so bad near the end
only spamming q
wheat elbow
At the end of the day, trhe spear is the spear.
Among the worst weapons in the game for a reason.
midnight cliff
just defeated hades with the spear though
toxic saddle
Nah scaling is common in roguelites. The only scaling damage I can think of is wall bashing, which does scale with level
midnight cliff
325 with spin attack + 189 with q
wheat elbow
Although I have to say that it has gotten less terrible now that there is less of an emphazise on killing Theseus now
midnight cliff
had to go athena though with spear
i feel that is the only way to go with spear
you can deflect everything
wheat elbow
Athena Spear is decent.
toxic saddle
I've had some amazing spear runs, before the update I wouldn't touch it, but I picked it up and got exploding launcher with high crits and it was excellent
wheat elbow
Huge Charge Attacks -> Tennis back all the projectiles on the map
midnight cliff
I just like it so that I can deflect hades his skulls back
those skulls are seriously the only hard part of that entire boss fight
toxic saddle
Also the Aphrodite/ Artemis duo boon letting you crit for 1k damage with a full charge attack is pretty nice
Yeah, they're really fast and once they're on you that's you taking more damage, when they fall out they're a dps check which I'm not particularly a fan of in roguelites.
midnight cliff
50 damage default hit damage
get hit another time it was about 89
that is about 78% increase
wheat elbow
The true DPS check starts in phase 2.
toxic saddle
Yeah for a projectile that's honestly ridiculous.
wheat elbow
What will give out first? Hades or your HP bar?
midnight cliff
second fase is easier tbh
he just rushes you most of the time
second second fase that is
toxic saddle
See, my philosophy is that you can have a tanky boss or you can have a boss that does mad damage. Having both just means you don't understand how difficulty works.
midnight cliff
for players that want sometimes fun to play will never beat hades
midnight cliff
it isn't a boss one can jsut walk by
Only the hardasses of rogue-lite can beat him I feel
toxic saddle
Although I seem to have an issue with their current method of 'End game' fights, as pre-patch theseus and asterius were a chore to fight. A long, slow trial by attrition isn't fun no matter how fancy the effects look. They're much better now.
midnight cliff
It already takes about 50min to get there in the first place lol
toxic saddle
Yeah I'm getting there around 23-26
midnight cliff
if I go quick then jeah
wheat elbow
That has been the average for me to make it from start to Hades
I take my sweet time
Grabbing every money chest along the way and such.
midnight cliff
i'm watching sometimes on my monitor most of the time on the left ^^
so i just walk slowly
takes about double for me that way
toxic saddle
Anyone else finding themselves having to minmax a bit more now that the biomes are shorter?
midnight cliff
had to switch boons around a bit
toxic saddle
I feel like every time I skip out on a trove or something that it comes back to bite me pretty quickly
midnight cliff
previously it was easy to get op with all those biomes with boons
wheat elbow
I am basically min maxing all the times, but yeah, it feels a bit more necessary now than before.
midnight cliff
plus that jeah
Welp i'm glad I did defeat hades today after 4 tries
still need to figure out how i'm going to fight him with the sword
toxic saddle
I got on a small streak of beating him, passion dash/ any weak effect with some dodge is a godsend
midnight cliff
the + 3 dash is a godsend
can't live without it if you got it
speeds runs up alot aswell
gentle pollen
The sword isn't too bad for him in my experience. I always take the plume with the sword for dodge and if you can get more from Hermes then even better.
Made it through phase 1 only taking 7 damage once with it haha.
toxic saddle
Yeah it's great for the champions of elysium as well as Hades, Asterius is almost completely nullified with more than 2 dashes
wheat elbow
@midnight cliff Artemis/Athena/Aphrodite Build would be my suggestion.
Grab all their duo boons too.
Projectiles will be slower, deflecting will give you 35% crit chance and crits against weakened enemies will be ridiculously strong.
toxic saddle
Athena looking fine as heck this update with all her death defiance and damage reduction boons
wheat elbow
Put that on a double super nova build and you are cooking with gas
midnight cliff
oh jeah I had 11% defense on aswell back then
so skulls probably hit around 56 ish
indigo compass
aphro's weak is also very good on hades imo
toxic saddle
It's still a shock to me, for a game where you have ~250-300 hp by the end they do that much of your hp
midnight cliff
I know he is an end game boss but still... Massive AOE effects, long range attacks that hit for bazongas, fast movement plus immense melee damage. lazors aswell as minion spawns.
then those stupid pots
His shadow walk is a joke though so I don't care about that
indigo compass
i dont like this shadowwalk
toxic saddle
Shadow walk should still let exit wounds do their thing
indigo compass
sometimes when u throw cast at him he just shakes it off leaving u with nothing but waiting
toxic saddle
It's a really weird nerf on cast builds
midnight cliff
Gives you a little bit of breathing room to position yourself
not that it is needed but for the people that find rogue-lite hard I guess
indigo compass
he sometimes does it twice in a row it annoying
toxic saddle
That is true but I'd rather just hit him
midnight cliff
Jeah it's annoying
same with the skulls that trigger outside the map which you can't see
toxic saddle
I have damage to deal and he's already dummy thicc as it is
midnight cliff
should just show an outline
toxic saddle
Yeah the runs where nothing pops off and the rng isn't there feel awful rn
indigo compass
feelsbad man
toxic saddle
As you know you're headed to a boss fight you just can't do enough damage to
indigo compass
was doing maybe 200dmg per shot so it was super tedious
midnight cliff
is doable tbh
toxic saddle
Sounds like a lot in theory lol
indigo compass
yeah but after playing the game for so long i dont want to do that kind of tedium anymore tbh
midnight cliff
little by little i took him down, took a while though
indigo compass
i basically gave up before starting the fight lol
toxic saddle
Yeah on runs that aren't so hot my mentality is gone by the time I limp through styx, like let's just get it over with.
midnight cliff
Ib4 trolled by supergiant saying act 1 completed
toxic saddle
That would be the biggest curve ball in my entire history of gaming lmao
midnight cliff
still gotta get into the god realm while the gods watch
indigo compass
i allways love tartarus, can just speed through it with the butterfly np:p
then from elysium the run slows down alot for me
toxic saddle
Or maybe the titans are stirring? There's dialoge from chaos that the very earth is churning
midnight cliff
Can't see how they would fit a titan battle in here tbh
toxic saddle
DLC down the line? optional alternate routes?
midnight cliff
That's just dodging his hands like they do in most games
toxic saddle
Who knows, we still have a ways to go before the full release as well
midnight cliff
2 Bedrooms still at spawn not opened nor is the gate at the bottem
toxic saddle
Yeah exactly, I'm really curious as to what they'll be
midnight cliff
Perhaps even the boulder gets moved aside where you can pass through to a new area
indigo compass
yeah been curious since the beginning lol
but maybe its for daily challenge type stuff=?
weekly maybe?
toxic saddle
Yup I feel like they have at least some idea what's going on with them otherwise why have they been there so long?
indigo compass
well just have to wait untill another time:p
midnight cliff
Also screw the 120 skull run from now on
indigo compass
ah man
midnight cliff
beating hades jeah right
indigo compass
i had the statues
indigo compass
then i formatted my pc lost my save and now its impossible
toxic saddle
I'm just really excited for the new weapon, hopefully coming next patch.
indigo compass
yeah i got the 120 when it was just the hydra lol
but now i only have the 15 one:p
midnight cliff
even the 60 feels impossible now with hades
indigo compass
furthest i have reached before styx was the final fight on 60 but never got it
toxic saddle
Yeah, it feels like they forgot that the game can in fact get much harder if you desire and just buffed the base damage regardles of how it would affect heat.
midnight cliff
I will clap for the person that beats hades now with 120 heat
Won't be me that is for sure
indigo compass
yeah im not that skilled to begin with ,for me once elysium started normal runs whent from easy to very hard
toxic saddle
But tbf heat is the 'endgame' currency and they're not really working on that rn, but still.
midnight cliff
only the spear guys that jump are somewhat annoying
indigo compass
yeah after i beat 120 heat hydra i was like i'm never doing 120 heat again period
midnight cliff
Also heroic boons are to rare
got one after 30 runs now
And that is towards elysium / styx
turbid needle
for me they're kinda common-ish, although I'm not playing on heat at all
midnight cliff
Then my luck is potato
I know they can only be changed by exhanging epic boons but meh
indigo compass
haha yeah my luck isent that great either :p
turbid needle
there is specific way to play to get them though
which isn't straightforward at all LUL
what trinkets do you start with ?
indigo compass
butterfly only:p
turbid needle
that's why you never get those
indigo compass
i get them from time to time:p
midnight cliff
leveling up the trinkets atm
turbid needle
or even if you get those, you won't exchange
midnight cliff
well some of them
turbid needle
I'm absolute anti-fan of butterfly though, so yeah
indigo compass
haha i dont want any other one
used to go with collar most of the time but now i just only play butterfly:p
turbid needle
depends on you, I don't like it because I feel like I lose effective value and control over the setup I get
turbid needle
and then Bone Hourglass at the final stage for maximum of stupidity
gentle pollen
I go butterfly for ranged and plume for melee
turbid needle
it was better at Elysium but it's cool for general sustain
indigo compass
i used to go plume aswell for sword but , i had trouble getting it done after tartarus and i thought im going back to the butterfly:p
turbid needle
plume... plume is the hermes one ?
turbid needle
I do feel you would gain insane amount of dodge chance on the Satyr's mini corridors with certain builds
indigo compass
if u can get another epic hermes dodge its pretty sick with plume added
turbid needle
then the problem of Hermes thing is that... wellif you scale too hard it's just too insane
imagine having over 90% dodge or something I guess
indigo compass
is that possible?
turbid needle
becoming basically barely hittable
indigo compass
most i got out of my plume was like 12% maybe 18 max then 25%from hermes
turbid needle
there is a chance to dodge after calling on hermes, there is Greater Evasion
that being said...
most insane gauge generation I had with Ares homing blades
gentle pollen
28.8% is the highest I've gotten the plume
indigo compass
havent tested plume after change tho
so basically i could only get it to proc in tartarus
turbid needle
you need to melt stuff in Asphodel to get it at all
native ether
Plume feels better to use, but it's offered buff is way worse this patch.
turbid needle
and in Elysium it's pretty impossible
native ether
I was able to get the speed buff in every Elysium room. Definitely doable.
Sword is honestly your best bet, it's the fastest weapon in the game imo.
turbid needle
ironically also the strongest lol
indigo compass
yeah double nova can be sick
my record currently is 22min something
and thats with sword
native ether
Nah I find the shield the strongest even though I dislike using it. Sword would be my #2 though, tied with the bow.
turbid needle
Bow loses on poison rooms, well if you get poisoned it's gonna suck
indigo compass
with other weaps i usually am around 40mins :p
native ether
Don't get poisoned :kappa:
indigo compass
bow feels very bad in styx imo
turbid needle
with that amount of stuff, it's easier to say than do lol
it feels atrocious kinda
indigo compass
its gone from my fav weapon to least fav in styx
native ether
Bow is probably worst in the Styx mini chambers, which is no surprise due to it's main draw being a hindrance there.
turbid needle
I still hate spear all the way as it is lol
indigo compass
yeah for someone who does only power shots its a hell
native ether
Bow is very good in there though if your main attack is Poseidon.
indigo compass
i think spear is sometimes very good but other times awfull
gentle pollen
Poseidon cast is hilarious in the minichambers
turbid needle
problem is that you're not gonna get that DPS if you don't have crit lol
indigo compass
yeah artemis feels allmost mandatory
native ether
Not necessarily lol. There's lots of stable dps options imo in the current patch.
indigo compass
without crit its hard to get sick dmg
native ether
Merciful End raises it's hand from the back of the classroom
Ntm special with deflect is pretty decent, and Doom is surprisingly always a solid damage option I've found.
native ether
Crits are good, I'll never knock em lol Artemis is my girl, but there are plenty of high dps options in Hades atm
indigo compass
specially with hades and his insane hp
native ether
The only case where I'd strongly strongly always almost mandatory suggest crits are Sword and Rail specials.
native ether
Dio is likely your best pick for damage if you're going the route of Flurry Fire/Infinity Chamber
Zeus is also pretty good. At times better.
indigo compass
maybe triple bomb and the one that stacks ares curse multiple times
native ether
If you're doing a triple bomb build I definitely recommend an Aphrodite Attack paired with Crit Special.
indigo compass
idk why but i love ares on special
gentle pollen
Zeus would be great for the Rail with the autofire, I always prefer slug shot route though.
indigo compass
but yeah i was a fan of ares curse from the beginning:p
native ether
You'll output so much damage once you get Heart Rend it's honestly not funny lol
If you go slugshot Artemis can be good, but not as good cause the crit chance is much lower unfortunately. Something like Poseidon I found to be super good though.
indigo compass
i love slug untill styx
native ether
Artemis Dash attack with slugshot is very good
gentle pollen
Poseidon is good for it. I also like Aphrodite for it because of the big damage increase and weak is just always nice to have.
indigo compass
heavy slug does so good dmg in tartarus its a joke lol
gentle pollen
Slugshot + three special burst + damage increase from standing in your special tears stuff up
indigo compass
yeah i must say hades fight made aphro's weak great
native ether
Slug trades your suppressive rail fire for a high power single shot so you need to build yourself some strong AoE
indigo compass
slug with penetration is also good
turbid needle
that special is kinda strong aoe but yeah, might be harsh against fast targets
those damn CA(r)Twheels for example
gentle pollen
That's why you can't neglect the special. But the slug hits so hard that you clear out groups pretty quick, and it helps that you can toss out the special while reloading between slugs.
turbid needle
yeah, Aphrodite as it is... it's just insane
indigo compass
AH man flame wheels. I halte those
turbid needle
everybody does
I don't even want to think about heat with those
I'm only dealing with them because of their miniscule life
otherwise they're like Salt and Sanctuary Unicorn Nightmare kinda
indigo compass
They spawn Ith so many it deels like it takes forever to clear em lol
turbid needle
and they deal so much damn damage
turbid needle
yeah, kinda... especially when you consider that sword user doesn't have safe option
ever LUL
you just pray to god to get Supernova before getting to those lol
indigo compass
Well if u have Poseidon on special
gentle pollen
They're pretty annoying for sword, yeah. If you happen to have deflect on your special you can nova them and not take the explosion damage, but otherwise you're trying to catch them at the max range of it and hope for the best haha.
native ether
Usually try to have a long range cast option on sword runs as well just to deal with them
turbid needle
I really hate how ui sometimes goes "screw this I'm outta here" when I fight hades
ok, grenadier build done...
god damn Dionysus with burst shot + Triple Bomb Artemis can be good
wheat elbow
Add in Dionysus/Zeus and Zeus/Artemis Duos for better casts
indigo compass
ahhh man just got hit in the hydra fight only once in the last head phase
allmost had my first no dmg hydra fight damnit:p
turbid needle
don't know the feeling, I'm usually facetanking like nobody's business
that's why by time I get to hades I'm like 500 hp or something lol
turbid needle
feels kinda like meh reward for such fight lol
radiant grove
True actually
but now I have 500 darkness I can't use
im just missing a TON of keys now
radiant grove
def is
I wish I just had my old files back
I had like 8.5k darkness and everything unlocked
all I had to do is finish a 120 heat run
turbid needle
Merciful End stronk ?
light nova
Something wrong with it power as i can understand
turbid needle
dash attack -> dash -> Merciful end activates and you just do the doom damage bonanza ?
light nova
I dont use it here but if you ask just as question
light nova
for sword yes
radiant grove
oh
radiant grove
I main bow
light nova
Yes it's good for everything
sacred swallow
bow is the hardest right now
radiant grove
how much does it do?
sacred swallow
goodluck
sacred swallow
bow is underpowered
radiant grove
fr?
light nova
380 damage for shot from Doom and 60 - 140 from bow
radiant grove
I remember using sword and it was super weak
radiant grove
what's your ideal setup with sword
sacred swallow
nova into hermes i i would say
light nova
Aprodite attack + athena's dash
radiant grove
no special?
radiant grove
I see
radiant grove
I'm going to experiment for a long time now
light nova
As u can see i made it with 60 heat as i said
radiant grove
Nice
light nova
But you also need 2 things
- Blinding Flash
To make your mirror abil works
- Life Affirmation
To have more HP
If you will take Spent Spirit and Unhealthy Fixation it's victory
radiant grove
spent spirit?
wheat elbow
Which one was Unhealthy Fixation again
Spent Spirit makes projectiles move slower, Athena/Aphro Duo Boon
wheat elbow
UPDATE NOTES
radiant grove
yas
toxic saddle
Yass boys!
reef topaz
shield unnerfed YAAAAAS
toxic saddle
I just beat Hades in his current form as it dropped
native ether
Final Boss definitely needs the ability to delete your save
wheat elbow
HADES NERFED!
turbid needle
and pulverizing blow nerfed lol
sacred swallow
v0.19998 :/ sio i guess 1.0 is next ? haha
finite grail
Hades after this patch: you’re gonna have a bad time
turbid needle
I mean yeah
reef topaz
curious to see how much they lowered his health and damage, it was balls without a bunch of dd's before
turbid needle
as he was before this patch that they shown... he was kinda insane