going into the last fight with 6 death defiances
#h1-builds-and-combat
median ridge
autumn tapir
that's what I did
he hits so hard and fast that just stacking defiances seems to be the optimal strategy
hollow minnow
omg, SIX?!!? That's amazing! I've only reached him twice and can only get him down to half health! More than anything else, in this fight it is so hard to figure out what's going on! And how do you get poisoned?? Shouldn't there be Cures? Isn't it contradictory to what we've learned about poison and Cure Wells for there suddenly not to be any? How do you avoid getting poisoned?!!? ☠
unkempt pagoda
i don't think you get poisoned
he has the boiling blood mirror upgrade and the effect for it is a green screen
which is a really similar effect to the poison mechanic that was introduced earlier i'll admit
turbid needle
I havent been able to beat him without using any death defiances. I think he might've actually taken at least two off of me on every attempt, come to think of it.
Im getting better at his patterns, tho
marsh pawn
Ive been finding afrodit cast + artemis boons very easy to build and one of the strongest in the game, I can build near 100% of my runs, while Hunting blades which is my favorite and strongest in the game Im able to build just around 15% of my games
a failed hunting blades build just sucks so bad that always makes me quit
hard holly
I think its possible to win without defiances
If you have a good invuln+damage wrath for the second phase
wanton niche
I know the Big Bad Update was meant to make the hydra harder, but it was the first update where I actually beat the thing
I think the shorter biomes really made the game easier because you haven't gone through as much health to get to the boss
orchid sonnet
Anyone know what Boiling Blood does? I can't figure it out.
pastel jolt
damage increase
hard holly
Enemies that have your cast stuck in them increase damage on attacks and specials
Or rather, take increased damage by attacks and specials
orchid sonnet
Oh crap. I didn't put two and two together! I was wondering what it did with regards to the final boss. I didn't realize it's the same thing as the mirror ability.
Thanks!
hard holly
Oh you meant his version
Yeah its basically his cast
Hades is a lot like Zag in terms of how he fights
Except he doesnt dash
hushed ledge
personally i've always felt like the hydra fight has too much to keep track of consistently
and its really boring between intermissions and overly chaotic during them
stable oyster
Uno you just found exactly what the fight needs
a dash followed by a quick counter attack
blazing mulch
@wanton niche mine feel too. Since patch I rly reach last boss always. 4/4 runs and once beated the game
Of course I don't play with heat but I also don't have still full upgrades. The last one with over 2000 to spend is huge to step heh
cinder dragon
Is it just me, or are the exploding chariots in Elysium different? I feel like I'm getting hit a lot where I shouldn't.
trim ingot
if you're ever unfortunate enough to get the chaos slain enemies throw a bomb debuff during the hydra fight, oh boy
it's ridiculous
trim ingot
the skeleton eggs throw a bomb when they're destroyed, also when they hatch
upbeat junco
does it matter what weapon you go if you want to build hunting blades?
blazing mulch
I dont think so
trim ingot
the weapon you're worst at for setting an ez record 😀
blazing mulch
Just tried hades via steam link. Playable but touchscreen is not good way to play haha
kind fiber
Well
If you pick up the rail gun, you can pick the hammer special to effectively double your potential damage output
If nothing else
wheat elbow
@hollow minnow I have been playing the game for a while. Almost all my runs end up on youtube, so feel free to check it out. You can find them in #self-promotion
empty canopy
I want to see a run like right from the start each update. Like you make a new save each update and start from the top.
wheat elbow
I think someone did that. Not sure if there is a recording of that though
empty canopy
Fair enough. I just think it'd be interesting to see the story progress naturally rather then being spread out over 100 videos from different updates
median ridge
is it just my rng or did centaur hearts get rarer?
wheat elbow
Yes and no.
I have a track record of getting most of my Centaur Hearts in Elysium.
Before that, I either go for god boons and/or reroll into them with my 8 fated authorities
Because realisticly, you never needed centaurhearts before Elysium.
Now the first three biomes are all much shorter.
Just less opportunity for them to show.
I had runs where Aphro gave me her boon that makes them stronger.
Pretty early on and when I had one or two hearts to go with it, I was feeling lucky.
Well, unlucky, because that boon + 1 Centaur heart is a net loss.
Getting two hearts would have given more health.
turbid needle
i’ve personally been running into centaur hearts a TON pre-patch and post-patch, so it’s purely RNG i’m sure
wanton niche
RNGsus is like that sometimes. One run I didn't hit a single chaos gate before I died, and I had the Cosmic Egg equipped. Stuff happens, I try not to worry about it, because sometimes I get really lucky runs.
wheat elbow
I had that happen too.
Had three runs where I started with the Chaos Egg.
On two of them, I did not see Chaos for the entire first floor.
turbid needle
I stopped taking Chaos Egg unless there's a Light of Ixion in the twixt-floor shops.
It's not worth it.
wheat elbow
Good idea actually.
But the idea I had was that I wanted to get a Chaos Money Boon asap so that I can buy out the final shop.
(and/or all the shops before that)
1/3 times, it worked!
median ridge
just beat hades with 27 hp to spare......my hands are shaking
wheat elbow
27 HP is all you need!
trim ingot
cries in obol
errant narwhal
well... MAYBE if i get any obol rooms ill be ready
finite grail
in my experience as long as you have some obol affecting boon and more than 300ish going in you’re usually fine
trim ingot
what's better for defense in the long run bracer or spearpoint
finite grail
If you can get oceans bounty it’s so good
turbid needle
Spearpoint.
trim ingot
i get that big slow smacks of damage would make spear less efficient
turbid needle
Spearpoint protects you from initial poison damage (while alerting you to the fact you are poisoned) and prevents multiple hits (Greatshield spins, Asterius combos) from cutting your life too quickly.
errant narwhal
275 obol from a single room reward, god
finite grail
Fhhcrg that’s a death defiance
turbid needle
1.5 seconds is a looong time.
finite grail
It is
trim ingot
oh yeah now it's enough for one kiss of styx > >
finite grail
not really gameplay but related is is I hope they add in more room decorations later
YEAH
errant narwhal
im getting the ultimate cast build
but ill get absolutely wrecked by hades for sure
finite grail
now you can go to Charon and by darkness, a pom, and a gyro
wheat elbow
@placid plinth Artemis' Cast also pierces through Shields.
native ether
Bracer can overall block more damage, leaning it to be a better defensive option if you're running things like high Vicious Torment
as the bracer can be the difference between losing a death defiance and getting 1 more hit
Besides that though, I would say they're about even, with a slight advantage on the spearpoint especially because Styx is filled with instances of taking rapid amounts of damage.
Bracer would probably be better for the Hades boss but if you have trouble with the urn attack, the spearpoint is likely to be better actually
im still taking the collar tbh cause I find I'm being starved for Centaur Hearts
placid plinth
It's sure very useful, but there isn't enough shielded enemies to justify having only that
native ether
True Shot, Slicing Shot (Ares Cast) and Tipsy Shot (Dio Cast) all ignore shields as well.
(This only makes hunting blades better :kappa:)
turbid needle
Tipsy Shot actually does not.
native ether
It did for me at least earlier. Unless that's changed between the previous update and this one.
turbid needle
I'll keep an eye out and get back to you.
Last I checked it was like Bombard and was blocked.
native ether
The only AoE that seems to not bypass shields is the Rail, which is infuriating as a rail enthusiast
turbid needle
Dude, right?
Well, Theseus has blocked a million booned Dashes from me before.
Which is really infuriating when I'm dashing behind him because the pulse is originating from his opening.
native ether
Shields are annoying 🦀
In general I feel like the Rail honestly needs some way to stagger enemies without a hammer. Something like a "you pummel an enemy with enough shots and it stuns them"
that or an increased base damage to just cut through waves better. The Rail was doing alright last update cause there were lots of rooms to get some incredibly broken builds (but now that's much less the case)
turbid needle
Okay, got Tipsy Shot and am heading into the Hydra fight.
wheat elbow
Shielders can even block the explosions from Barrels
turbid needle
Greatshield did NOT block my Tipsy Shot.
native ether
yeah thats what I thought
So the only player AoE attack that is blocked by a shield is Rail special
Not counting traps because traps aren't AoE attacks from the player, tho honestly I wouldn't be against explosive traps bypassing shields either.
Shields continue to be incredibly annoying.
wheat elbow
It also depends on where you hit them from with those abilities.
I think the epizentre of the explosion needs to be behind them.
Never confirmed that though
turbid needle
Yes, that's correct.
wheat elbow
but it certainly is true for explosive barrels
turbid needle
Hence why I emphasized the positioning of my Dash boon.
native ether
yeah its the center of the explosion
boreal estuary
Hi there!
Did anyone find any kind of OP builds for current patch?
boreal estuary
I've beat 60 skulls with Shield + Zeus&Poseidon.
median ridge
i still wish you could dash during ares wrath. as it is it feels very rhythm-breaking when interwoven with regular combat
boreal estuary
But dunno what to do at 120 skulls.
turbid needle
I'm pretty sure dashing during War God's Thirst would be broken.
median ridge
it's 1.5 seconds. there's no time to do much of anything. and you have to sit on top of an enemy to make the power useful at all, and then when it runs out, you're in immediate danger
ares call is not valuable to use in small amounts at all
turbid needle
And during the 10+ second Greater Call?
errant narwhal
damn this run is pretty juicy
median ridge
during the longer thing it's more useful but still underwhelming. basically just a 12 second breather
errant narwhal
im running a cast build but idk how much greter recall will help it because lightning rod is what makes it this good
so ill take relative speed
turbid needle
Ayyy, new record, 22:30.19.
serene tinsel
ares' call was ridiculously good in the last update, so those changes sound pretty good tbh
errant narwhal
dude i cannot stress enough how good lightning rod is for styx
i just killed all enemies in a room by throwing all my casts at a pillar and hiding behind it
and everything just slowly died
aaaand i just got the sack first room
serene tinsel
yeah Zeus seems quite strong atm
errant narwhal
idk if i want to do the others
serene tinsel
I almost beat Hades first try with a Shield + Zeus/call centric build
errant narwhal
im full health rn, but getting an attack boon might help w my chances
turbid needle
Do you have spare rerolls and are there any boons that could really tip your build over?
errant narwhal
no spare rerolls, no
turbid needle
Take high health, maybe some of the Poms from the shop.
errant narwhal
i emptied the shop just now lol
i have a very good cast build and a braid of atlas, lets try to do this
limpid ember
Can you not post screenshots anymore?
turbid needle
You still can.
limpid ember
huh, the little + is gone for me, still there on other servers
turbid needle
I've just been posting to imgur and getting the image URL.
errant narwhal
you can't here, but you can post image urls, yeah
first phase down but its not looking good :( only 1 DD left
trim ingot
you can do it!
errant narwhal
for a first time its p good tho, and im playing v badly lolol
limpid ember
turbid needle
Oh, that's gonna hurt people.
limpid ember
This build, just finished Meg and I was doing 800plus crits
turbid needle
Good night.
errant narwhal
FIRST TRY BABY
turbid needle
Well done!
limpid ember
Heavy Slug 80, dash atk +115%, chaos +45%, Athena atk +37%, + whatever crit and cast lodge does
turbid needle
Boiling Blood is 50%.
limpid ember
Nice, I died in 4th zone boss
turbid needle
Crit is a 3x multiplier to final damage pre-crit.
errant narwhal
holy moly
turbid needle
Congratulations, dude.
errant narwhal
rng was really on my side
wanton niche
Quick question: Does Heavy Slug affect the fire rate or accuracy of the Adamant Rail? Haven't tried that weapon mod out yet and I was curious.
turbid needle
It fires one shot and then you reload.
There is no spread like there is with regular automatic fire or Spread Shot.
wanton niche
Good to know
wheat elbow
Just published the run where I received a Duo Boon without having met both necessary gods
errant narwhal
Did you report it?
limpid ember
How is Explosive Fire upgrade to the rail? Got choice between that and Piercing Fire (with heavy slug)
turbid needle
Less strong with Heavy Slug, but still very good.
I like the AoE, but Piercing Fire is very usable with Heavy Slug.
limpid ember
Yeah, wasn't sure how good Explosing is since I pick piercing 90% of the time
limpid ember
I just like the armor bonus from piercing really, but with 850+ dmg crits i don't really need it
I'll try exploding 😃
limpid ember
what did they do?
turbid needle
Speedran the Big Bad Update to the cool tune of thirteen minutes and fifty-three seconds.
He did it with 40 Heat, too.
turbid needle
Double Nova.
It's the speedrun build.
It did involve Deadly Flourish and Hunter Mark, so that oculd be part of it.
limpid ember
honestly, I haven't tried the sword out again since I unlocked by first weapon back when the EA started
limpid ember
holy! That final fight. Was not expecting that o.o
Seems impossible to dodge a lot of the attacks
turbid needle
There's a tell for I think every attack in the game.
limpid ember
Yeah, I see the tells, but some of the attacks cover so much of the screen and have so little windup
turbid needle
Some of them are really hard to dodge, yes.
Fitting for the as-of-yet final boss of an already hard game.
errant narwhal
40 heat is for whipped frenzy iirc
wheat elbow
Who do you take me for, of course I reported it.
Also
It just happened to me again.
wheat elbow
Zeus and Dionysus together always make for the most overpowered runs.
Add in Artemis as well and you just cut through the game like a hot knife through butter
wheat elbow
@native ether Did you know that you are being listed in the credits?
pastel jolt
everyone who is in the credits is aware they’re in there ;p
tawdry jackal
gods, cant wait to try out Vengefull Mood with a full Revenge build x3
wheat elbow
I would like to make it in there too.
Sadly, I haven't been here for as long as others.
pastel jolt
i'm starting to work on updating everybody's boons now
pastel jolt
oh god, redoing all the wraths into calls and working out their new values is gonna be !!fun!!
i may just question mark them all out and let people add in the values they see ingame because i can't mae sense of this
wheat elbow
@wooden spade If you win against Thanatos, you earn a Centaur Heart.
wooden spade
Ah good to know. I think that may have happened to me before, but the cause and effect wasn’t clear
wheat elbow
If you have more questions, come to this channel and ask us.
pastel jolt
does anyone know how long higher rarities of athena's reworked call last
wheat elbow
@pastel jolt It says 1.4 seconds and then 10x the duration with a full gauge for me
pastel jolt
thought so
wheat elbow
hang on
pastel jolt
heroic athena's aid would be 1.6
as far as i can tell it goes 1/1.2/1.4/1.6 as rarity increases
wheat elbow
Double checked with another recording
Got the Athena Wrath twice recently.
It was 1.4 epic rarity in both cases
pastel jolt
yup, that matches my math
cheers!
i'm halfway through the boon updates on the wiki
wheat elbow
My man.
timid owl
Does Life Affirmation cancel out Grim Inevitability?
pastel jolt
i don't see why it would? grim inevitability stops you from healing, it doesn't affect heath you get from hearts to my knowledge
maybe someone who actually plays with heat would know more than me :'D
timid owl
Definitely gonna try that out at some time
proud storm
by health rewards they mean centaur hearts
so normally it shouldnt be affected by grim inevitability
pastel jolt
two gods left to do and then i can finally do something else,,
native ether
Lol, please don't torture yourself
pastel jolt
well i can't just stop halfway through updating stuff
native ether
That's a fair point lol.
pastel jolt
it's not too bad this time around because there weren't too many numerical changes
native ether
Wiki will always be waiting for you even if you need a break (for better or worse lol)
pastel jolt
my worst nightmare is seeing a patch note that's just increased power level reduced power level reduced power level icnreased power level
because that means SO many numbers :'D
native ether
LUL
"no... more... balance... changes..." :kappa:
also yes, as sparrow said, beta testers who are in the credits are aware they're in the credits. You'll likely just not see them talking about it because they don't want to be coming off as bragging about it. :p (felt I should respond because le ping)
rustic silo
I salute your dedication
pastel jolt
still. so close
native ether
It's like having war flashbacks
Zagreus is having flashbacks of his horrors of previous update numbers
pastel jolt
probably the trickiest part of this wave of updates was remembering to rename all the wrath/call boons
i might've missed some somewhere but i think i got em all on the main god pages at least
pastel jolt
oh, re: the duo boon page - you realise you could just use the same table as gets used on the god pages and you wouldn't have to manually link icon images, right?
native ether
Yeah I could have, the template thing was scaring me though, rather new to this wiki update thing
pastel jolt
i can take a gander later and switch it over if you'd like
native ether
That would be pretty awesome.
pastel jolt
👌
pastel jolt
jhgdkfd not really
native ether
I should change mine to Cerberus to rep the game in other discords
Then again I have to meme and sombra is the only meme I'm known for
finite grail
you could do what Belgo does and just make the pic very uncomfortable
native ether
How do I do that with best boi though
finite grail
Hyper realistic human hands
proud storm
wow my impact
finite grail
THATS more like it
icy edge
An early affluence boon from chaos can literally save bad runs
Even the jankiest build is ok if you can just buy more stats on every occasion
finite grail
The duo boon between Zeus and Poseidon that strikes lightning every time you push back is SO good
native ether
Affluence now translates to "buyout the entire Costco at the end of a run"
wheat elbow
You don't even need to buy out the entire thing afterwards.
Hammer, Hermes and, if present, another god boon is usually all you want and need there
And Styx actually has surprisingly high money drops to make it possible
night compass
2nd one
night compass
+53% damage would be 120 attack~ ish
native ether
Especially since looking at your rerolls you've likely maxxed the other mirror upgrades
wheat elbow
The first one seems to be the generally most useful
native ether
So the top is meh and the bottom one is bugged
wheat elbow
while also being the least likely to kill you
Would be interesting to see the oact options
night compass
i almost never take the -move speed ones, too hard to work around
errant narwhal
Nah, just dash
light nova
decisions decisions...
native ether
At 60 heat id definitely take a damage increase on the rail, esp since you're using the Heavy Slug. It's damage can be harder to capitalize on than the traditional rail.
errant narwhal
I got 2 affluence boons and oceans bounty in the run I did earlier, so much gold
wheat elbow
But if he has torment, increasing enemy damage dealt could end up being disastrous
errant narwhal
I bought out the styx shop and had some to spare
light nova
Ney, +100% damage only
native ether
At 60 heat that would assume he's running max torment and only max torment. It's likely doable with only double damage. Just don't get hit :LUL:
light nova
+50% enemy and +100% cost
native ether
Also what area are you in is another good question.
wheat elbow
Tartarus
light nova
+1
wheat elbow
One look could have deduced that, my dear watson
I gotta say, I am much more scared about getting hit in Tartarus than getting hit in Asphodel
but that usually only applies to high torment/frenzy runs
Which this one isn't
native ether
Kiting with the rail tends to be typically pretty easy in Tartarus, assuming you don't get Elite Witch spammed.
wheat elbow
Especially considering that you are early into tzhe run, I would again suggest going with option 1.
It's safer and overall more useful
Also, in the long run, that bit of extra damage on the slug shot won't be much of a difference.
native ether
Extra 40 damage on that is gonna help a lot, you'll really feel that when Elysium shows up tbh, from experience.
wheat elbow
40 damage on one attack on a low fire rate is worth less than higher rarities on everything else
for the rest of the run.
That higher chance to get rarities could end up giving him a high rarity wrath effect, an amazing effect for his special or something huge for his cast
And that is ignoring all the passive benefits.
native ether
Regardless, 1 or 2 would work alright. I would recommend 2 as it'll practically carry you thru Tartarus and since you appear to have already maxed the mirror (meaning 30% more rare is good, but not nearly as good as in something like a Stifling Darkness run)
wheat elbow
I agree with the last point, but also consider that even on a 60 heat run, there really shouldn't be such a thing as needing to be carried through Tartarus
especially when he has played as much as he did.
Looking at the screenshot, he has the same amount of authorities and more darkness than I do, so he probably has more hours into the game than I.
native ether
Not everyone is a god gamer by birth :kappa: I can see people struggling in Tartarus with 60 heat even with lots of playtime.
native ether
Rarities help out definitely, but with that amount of rerolls as well, you should be able to reroll boss rooms to get exact boons you want from those rooms, and they'll already have improved rarities.
wheat elbow
taking more damage will only snowball the problems he might be in for.
Also
Another point
We don't know where in Tartarus he is.
He might take that damage debuff into the boss room.
And that could be asking for disaster very easily.
native ether
Presumably first room, looking at his upgrades
light nova
I took first one
native ether
👍 fair enough
wheat elbow
This felt like Yoda and Sidious fighting for that poor mans soul.
light nova
Yea 🍮
native ether
Lmao. Always take more damage. You can never have enough damage :kappa:
wheat elbow
I leave it up to your imagination who of us would be representing the dark side.
native ether
Oh it's me I'm the rail fanatic
That being said, he's got a point. With improved rarity, you could very easily go for a ridiculous build like a Hunting Blades or Sea Storm build.
Could also tap into Aphro, go for Sweet Nectar.
wheat elbow
He started with the Poseidon Keepsake, so probably the latter two options.
You know what would be frunny?
If he were to get the Pos/Dio duo boon
That would make the choice he made here a laughing joke
native ether
Tapping into Dio will be less useful because Exclusive Access will do what Chaos is doing lol
Though if that was his intent I would have definitely taken option 2 lol
wheat elbow
I mean, sometimes, things like that happen.
I recorded a video today and was like
"Ah, started the game with Zeus, Zeus dash first thing into the run, would be huge if we could get his entire engine on this!"
.....and Zeus was never seen again.
Got an overpowered Hunting Blades Vicious Cycle Run in return, so you're not hearing me complain you're not.
wheat elbow
I kinda dislike Urge to kill.
It is a flat damage increase and I should be happy
but it sadly doesn't really "contribute" at all to what a run is all about
hard holly
Eh after youve got the most basic boons decked out
Most new ones dont contribute really either way
And Urge to Kill is at least good
wheat elbow
I wasn't going to mention it because I saw pearuhdox' hunting blades sense tingling a mile away.
native ether
Can literally just drop the Poseidon keepsake, run Artemis keepsake in Asphodel, set up Hunting Blades and lol whee free run.
wheat elbow
I am still saying that Hunting Blades without Vicious Cycle ain't worth the hype.
native ether
Killing Theseus without having to touch him with a 10 foot pole is very worth it.
wheat elbow
I'd rather kill him fast while touching him all over with pointy things.
native ether
One because Theseus is rude and deserves it. Two because a hunting blades build allows you to kill him relatively fast (watch his healthbar drop lol) and allows you to focus on dodging entirely.
hard holly
Personally I prefer just hitting any enemy directly in the shnozz
native ether
The advantage to a Hunting Blades build is you can throw out your blenders and effectively just focus on kiting Theseus and the Minotaur, only weaving back in to pick up casts and throw again.
wheat elbow
Yeah, but
native ether
Blender also melts the mini-boss Soul Catcher. It does that fight super well.
wheat elbow
you could also just be in his face and kill him fast instead.
native ether
With additional damage and the Rail? Hard pass on that lol
hard holly
I mean, yeah, blender is effective
wheat elbow
How often does a blade rift tick per second?
hard holly
But its not that interesting just stand there and see him die without much active gameplay after a while
native ether
More than 20 ticks a second.
wheat elbow
One of you is a liar.
native ether
It feels faster than tick counting in Minecraft, that's what I'm basing it on. I haven't counted specifically.
(Minecraft counts 20 game ticks a second)
That's with the Epic Slicing Shot (and no poms) 130 / 260 damage a second.
And considering they last for 4 and a half seconds and you get 3 of them, up to triple that amount. Vicious Cycle takes it and makes it ludicrous ofc, but it's plenty strong on its own.
wheat elbow
You still have to substract a couple of things off that.
- The damage your base cast and/or other casts you could have or would have used here would have dealt
2, The time it takes to use these casts in the first place and could have been used for something else.
- The time it takes to retrieve your cast stones.
- The extra damage you would have dealt thanks to having a cast stone stuck in thy enemy.
Slicing Shot without either Hunting Blades or Vicious Cycle will never come out positively in this comparison.
Slicing Shot with Vicious Cycle may do so depending on the enemy fought.
Slicing Shot with Hunting Blades may do so, but it will be closer than you think.
If you put these two together, that is where the damage becomes as ridiculously high where nothing else matters and you can finish off all bosses in a matter of seconds.
For example, on my last run, I killed Hades within slightly over a minute
(literally one minute and one second lol)
Both phases, with invincibility periods both in the regular fights and in between the two HP bars (clock keeps ticking while he is kneeling and getting back up again)
Just a regular Slicing Shot won't give you that.
And neither will Hunting blades all by itself.
light nova
Was time when i used to take Slicing Shot - when epic black metal gave 50% of radius for it
Was fun as hell 😄
wheat elbow
Oh yeah, that was a great time.
I was always much more interested in engulfing Vortex though.
Those extra 0.4 seconds with Vicious Cycle
So beautiful
wheat elbow
Could have a hard time fitting that thing into Styx
native ether
It's still honestly very sizeable
It's a radius increase I believe so 20% bigger is deceptively large.
light nova
Everyone know that bigger is better 😄
native ether
Actually I wonder if they just retooled the boon from diameter to radius increase. Cause it honestly looks like the size I had on one of my previous runs.
proud storm
no one:
absolutely no one:
styx satyrs: HHHHHEUUUEUEHARRRRRHHKKKKK (ptoo)
hard holly
Man Ill always get annoyed when I repeatedly try to get the same gods attack boon, but they never offer it to me
And then when I get any other god, they immideatly offer theirs
native ether
I love being offered the literal same boon pool by a god two times in a row.
Took Artemis attack crit just to go for hunting blades, sold it once I got hunting blades, and was offered the exact same 3 boons when I stumbled on her again.
"Girl you know you're my favorite but this is ridiculous, we need to have a talk"
tawdry jackal
I had the exact same problem with her Dash and Fully Loaded my last run!
also
new challenge
"Can I make my enemy Weak, Jolted, Doomed and Exposed at the same time with Vengeful Mood?" @wheat elbow @native ether
ill try a run with every single Revenge boon if possible x3
native ether
You definitely can if you grab em all
It's stupidly hilarious
It's one of the meme builds I've been longing to try
boreal estuary
Is that good or bad? @hard holly
tawdry jackal
but for it to work, its best to have Hermes Epic 40% life recover and specially Aphrodite cuz you're gonna be taking
"A LOTTA DAMAGE"
thankfully the game heals and damages in decimals, so even if you take 1 damage, you'll heal 0.4 back (even if it shows 0 Heal when you dash)
okay
now im pumped and curious
gimme all your best meme builds!!
hard holly
Bad
I want the attack boon
Worst part is
Each time the selection was all available boons
Except attack
charred ruin
The game used to be so easy at 0 heat before the patch. Now I can't beat the last boss. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
wheat elbow
@hard holly I pick up Zeus Attack surprisingly rarely myself.
Never had an issue.
@tawdry jackal Add in merciful end for extra challenge
tawdry jackal
yes, yes
I forgot that, it was also in my list! x3
tawdry jackal
Im very melee oriented, so Zeus Attack feels Very weak
It makes your Revenge damage to automatically activate even if you dont take damage every 3-5 seconds! (5/4/3 - Common/Rare/Epic)
thats HUGE
tawdry jackal
and you only neee something from Ares that causes Doom
Something from Zeus that causes lightning (not jolted)
and ANY god's revenge boon!
tawdry jackal
it feels like a L E G E N D A R Y D U O B O O N
hard holly
But its annoying
wheat elbow
I feel like it should be a duo boon that isn't limited toi Ares and Zeus
Make it a doboon that becomes available whenever you have 2 of the revenge damaging boons
from any of the four gods that offer it
hard holly
I .... still have not gotten a single attack boon
tawdry jackal
@wheat elbow I agree that that makes more sense
but then it would be a "global" duo boon
wheat elbow
Wouldn't that be amazing?
tawdry jackal
very amazing <3
correct me if im wrong
Aphro
Ares
Zeus
Athena
only those have revenge damage, right?
Jolted, Marked, Exposed are all Tier 2 Status Curses...
hard holly
I mean its alright
But Im at Elysium
Heavy Slug with no upgrades isnt good by Elysium
tawdry jackal
wow
all these are good! owo
I once got Piercing Fire and Infinite Chamber together xD
melted those Shield Heroes
wheat elbow
Ares: Curse of Agony, Curse of Pain, or Curse of Vengeance.
Zeus: Lightning Strike, Thunder Flourish, Electric Shot, Thunder Dash, or Heaven's Vengeance.
Vengeful Mood requires at least 1 Revenge effect from any god.
Peculiar conditions
tawdry jackal
I dont think so
if you look at it mechanically wise
all you need from Ares is a boon that inflicts Doom
and Zeus anything eletrical, even if its not a lightning from the sky or jolted effect
also you need a Revenge boon, obviously
wheat elbow
It is peculiar in that it is the first duo boon that has a theoretical 3 god requirement
tawdry jackal
I think its a Zeus/Ares boon because they're both impetuous, prideful and eager to punishing in mithology
wheat elbow
You could go with Athenas revenge effect and Zeus'/Ares' Attack special, for example
wheat elbow
Both
tawdry jackal
xD
just imagine a Status Curse that makes enemies blind for X seconds, and stop tracking you!
wheat elbow
Dionysus Tipsy Shot basically does that.
tawdry jackal
extra healing potency or disease (low/high damage that spreads when enemies touch each other)
wheat elbow
Enemy that stand in the cloud flinch constantly
Do people really don't like the length of Tartarus, Asphodel and Elysium?
I actually love that these biomes are shorter now, apparently, that ain't the case for everyone.
tawdry jackal
im honestly glad that they took off the annoying "3 darkness/Heat/Key/Ambrosia in a row"
but I feel the new Biome lenght isnt long enough to power up anymore
and that I literally went into Tartarus with Da Comic Egg and didnt find ONE Chaos gate
blazing mulch
Personally the story of Zag is to break through and esc from hades. With shorter level is feels like it was too easy.
wheat elbow
9 Game Winstreak
tawdry jackal
and later in Asphodel I went with Ares Blood Vial
and he was the THIRD god I found, aftee Hermes and Artemis
wheat elbow
Every Run ended up being remarkably powerful
blazing mulch
So i think that best solution to remove the effect is to add some transition that says " of that was hard"
Also i dont like the fact that in last biome the upgrade just lay and then we have feel "ok so its end, lets now armor for fight" , even putting it in form of shop would be better
tawdry jackal
but thats because you already won at 120 Heat xD
terse tiger
Has anyone done 120 yet since the update?
wheat elbow
I haven't done a heated run thus far.
To be fair though, the game hasn't really given me any incentive to do so.
hard holly
Well, I was able to buy out the Styx Costco at least
tawdry jackal
yeah, you already have all upgrades/Rewards
like
you'd only use it for the game to not get too easy, boring or stale...
tawdry jackal
also
why is Hermes last boon 400 gold??
hard holly
Meh, I prefer invulnerability wraths and getting crits
But 182 damage with 15 arrows sounds like a lot
wheat elbow
Why ask in the first place then?!
If you use it with one charge, you get one Arrow
use it at full charge and you get a lot of arrows
hard holly
Mmh
wheat elbow
they still pierce shields
hard holly
Do they actually hit enemies reliably now?
wheat elbow
And they aren't dependend on range anymore.
So you can just use them while hugging them for full force.
hard holly
Alright
Gonna try the new stuff then
Hopefully Ill get another attack boon before Styx
Does anyone know if Fated Authority always rerolls the same way with the same starting point?
light nova
HARDEST run of my life
Holy cow
And these graves that dont die even from railgun..... ghee...
edgy birch
light nova
Yea, it is actually but graves stupidly OP
wheat elbow
@light nova I think you overvalue Poms a bit too much
Looks like you got 8 Pom Power ups in there
most on my runs end up looking like this
Compared to your 8 poms I have only eaten 2, but in return, I have seen 9 godboons more
Substract a few because you had Convenience Fee active but add some because you had challenge rooms
hard holly
Ugh
I hate getting Artemis
And only getting 3 useless upgrades
Instead of the attack I wanted
wheat elbow
That is artemis in a nutshell
But she has been good to me in this update so I can't complain
light nova
It's easier for you to kill someone because they have 100% hp. You don't need more damage so you can go for boons.
hard holly
And Athena just also gave me 3 useless upgrades
Instead of the attack or DD boon I want
light nova
Sad story bro hahah
hard holly
Seriously why does the game keep offering me special upgrades
Im using shield
Im not gonna be using the special at all
rigid apex
Really? I use shield constantly and always use my special
wheat elbow
Get explosive return and you will
Or mirage flight.
Or both, if that's your kind of kink.
wheat elbow
Explosive return by itself is amazing if you want great damage and don't care about not being able to attack at times.
rigid apex
Yeah
wheat elbow
Mirage flight is amazing if you like "fire and forget"
Both together gives you both for slightly lower damage because of faster travel times
WHICH YOU CAN MITIGATE!
by getting faster specials thanks to Hermes
rigid apex
Mmmmhm
hard holly
Eh, Id prefer to avoid Mirage Flight since there are much better upgrades
rigid apex
I've actually been doing that often in the new update
hard holly
And Explosive return is fine, but I dont want to build towards a hammer I might not get
And outside of those 2 special is just beyond awful
Also, Lambent Plume seems to assume you already have good upgrades by asphodel
Instead of struggling to find a single attack boon
wheat elbow
I mean, the special carried my 120 heat clear last updated.
rigid apex
combine with p much any special god boon and you got some good distance damage
My special absolutely carries me during Hydra
wheat elbow
Also, you having Lambent Plume is a problem by itself.
It's the worst keepsake in the game atm.
hard holly
I mean, you got damage from afar
But very, very low damage
To the point where a rail with no upgrades is still way better
wheat elbow
Combine it with a boon where damage doesn't matter or explosive return.
rigid apex
It's not that difficult to make your shield special deadly
wheat elbow
Ares Special on Shield is a combination that wins games.
Dionysus and Zeus Special also work.
Someone got a 120 heat clear with Poseidon Special last update
rigid apex
gettin that wall bash damage in addition to special damage
wheat elbow
OOOOOOH
hard holly
I mean, yeah, but even then Im still better off with an unupgraded explosive launcher
Anyway, I got slicing shot
Now I need the blade rift upgrade that makes em homing
rigid apex
Ya got this bro
hard holly
So, now I can get that duo from either Ares or Artemis?
wheat elbow
If you have the prerequisites, yes
tawdry jackal
I once got Poseidon 220% damage ob shield special + Mirage Flight and Explosive Return
that was quite a fun ride x3
wheat elbow
I can see that.
hard holly
Aaand got the duo
rigid apex
Ayyy
tawdry jackal
good job uno!
wheat elbow
Maaaaaaan
That boss fight theme against Hades is amazing
And the track is 9 minutes long!
How long did Darren think the fight would last?! 😄
rigid apex
Long enough
wheat elbow
But it really is the beginning of the theme that get's to me
stable oyster
If you fight him for the full 9 min he should just give up and let you pass
wheat elbow
Or call for Cerberus to have you eaten.
rigid apex
He's too good a boy to do that
wheat elbow
Those Snacks you get him ain't lasting forever!
stable oyster
Cerberus finishes the snack and chases you both back to the house
stable oyster
Sweet
charred ruin
I see hunting blades is still broken if you can get it relatively early
last boss melted in 30 seconds
rigid apex
Ooooof
hard holly
Well, this run went weird
7 death defiances, 6 ares casts that seek enemies and do 24 damage per tick
And an Artemis wrath thats ludicrous
Had to burn through 3 to win though
Artemis's wrath was incredibly underwhelming though
light nova
wise flume
dunno what to do, the only one build that pushes me to cerberus was a gun with Dionysius boons
light nova
@wheat elbow i did it without any luck for 6 mins more than you
I'd like to see how you will make it with +50% foes +50% hp +100% damage and +100% cost and gonna say that I overvaluse Poms
I do not insist but as man of science i want to see how it will be
icy edge
@autumn tapir Poseidon hard counters flame wheels (appropriately enough)
Even on sword/spear
wheat elbow
@light nova I am having a streak going on, if I do end up breaking it, I may come back to heated runs.
Not sure if that will be any time soon because truth be told
Last update, I played so many of them that I feel kinda burned out in that regard.
autumn tapir
yeah poseidon works because of knockback
but you shouldn't need a god in order to deal with a fairly common enemy
icy edge
Who doesnt want to hang out with uncle broseidon?
wheat elbow
I usually don't.
Horseboy has a very corny personality and his boons are usually rather questionable.
And don't even get me started on that chest hair.
icy edge
Your opinion is clearly irrelevant, then
The superiority of knocking back dudes so hard they explode is unquestionable
light nova
Broseidon cool for shield and bow special as i see
U can fight as a mad with his power
icy edge
But honestly, I really like the balance atm
Only one that feels sorta weak is dio
But he's more on the defensive side
wheat elbow
Well, to put it in words used by a certain Burnmaz
"Your opinion is clearly irrelevant, then"
Dionysus is a damage monster all by itself, double so if paired up with Zoos
stable oyster
Im back to thinking dio is bad on attacks
at least for bosses
once you hit max stacks you just deal base dmg again
wanton niche
Not gonna lie, I wish it said what the max stacks you could get for poison were
wheat elbow
His qualities are multilayered.
Assuming 5 damage per stack, that'd be 25 damage per tick. Depending on the weapon and attack you use that with, that by itself makes it stronger on a lot of weapons in comparison
stable oyster
I was assuming max stacks
wheat elbow
I mean, take the sword as an example.
Actually, no, let us change around the calculation a bit in a way that makes more sense.
stable oyster
the main issue is that once you get to max stacks your dmg goes way down
wheat elbow
One stack of poison applies it's damage 8 times in total over the course of 4 seconds.
Well unless you spam spear or rail, you won't ever get to that point where your stacks overlap that hard.
stable oyster
attacking 5 times within 4 sec is not that hard for most weapons
wheat elbow
And as long as your stacks don't overlap too hard, from a DPS point of view, Poison Ticks are among the most powerful damage per hit you can get.
I mean, look at the weapons in comparison.
Sword usually allows me one to three strikes between specials
Not counting dashes that I have to do in between as well.
The shield special is perfect for Dios Poison effect. Very safe to use, big damage increase per throw.
The attack, depends on your playstyle. I am very spammy with my attacks, so I overlap quite harshly, but it never has been a problem to me.
Spear I usually go for charge attacks, so taking the poison effect here isn't something I would do in the first place and the special does not exist.
Rail Attacks I usually only use in between special cast times/cooldowns
and I also always throw out a cast while my special is flying
stable oyster
shield special is ok with dot if you use it as combo filler, bot on normal attacks it just stacks up to 5 and cant deal much dmg after that
wheat elbow
so even with that there ain't much overlap
And even if you do overlap, it's no problem at all.
Shield regular attack deals 25 damage.
One poison stack with 5 tick rate is 40 damage per application.
That is pretty much more extra damage per hit than any other boon can give you minus Ares
In contrast to Ares, Dionysus rewards you for repeadedly hitting though, so you don't get punished.
stable oyster
it is more damage than any other boon
untill you max stack
which I find I do a lot with dio
wheat elbow
Then change your playstyle.
If overstacking with Dionysus is your problem, you aren't using your kit to the fullest.
stable oyster
I just do a combo then run around for 4 seconds to hit again
wheat elbow
Also, having full stacks on an enemy should never be a reason to stop attacking.
stable oyster
Its not, but you go back to base dmg
wheat elbow
And?
stable oyster
leaving you with much lower dps
wheat elbow
Do you stop attacking when Ares doom Effect is waiting to tick?
Where are your complaints about your attacks dealing base damage while doom is already applied?
stable oyster
Ares runs out much faster
wheat elbow
1.1 seconds leave enough room for one to two attacks going blank.
stable oyster
allows for quick specials and casts
wheat elbow
Which, by the way, can net a much bigger net loss than Poison overlapping.
stable oyster
also think about what you just said about Ares earlier, his dot does around 90 dmg every second
while dio at max is around 50
wheat elbow
90 on Ares attack would be epic quality
Epic Dionysus would be 6 in comparison I think?
so 48 per attack
stable oyster
dont look at per attack, look at per second
wheat elbow
I mean, I think that both Ares and Dionysus are good
stable oyster
and dio at max would deal 60 compared to 90
wheat elbow
so there is no point in you having a winning argument here over me in that regard.
wise flume
But you don't always attack the target to proc Ares all the time when Dio can get you some time to something
stable oyster
I just think dio is underpowered
wheat elbow
Poseidon Attack these days gives you how much
50% extra damage?
On a sword, that's 10-20 extra damage.
With Aphrodite and Athena having a bit more.
stable oyster
~100% on epic if I remember
wheat elbow
Artemis has way less, but makes up for it with crits.
Then there is a factor that Dionysus is one out of only 3 gods that gives you free damage + a negative status in one boon.
stable oyster
to analyze this we need to look at the base dps of the weapon
wheat elbow
- the fact that he has plenty of ways to increase not only his poison damage
but all damage you can do
rigid apex
Yo I need help. Should I buy a Hermes boon or get a pom before the final boss. I only have enough for one
wheat elbow
Hermes, for sure.
rigid apex
thank
placid plinth
Had a run with Rapid Cast and Rail with Triple Bomb. Got "Not yet" and "I'm empty!" every five seconds, because everything had quick attack and limited ammo. At least Zag doesn't say anything when you run out of dashes
stable oyster
I need to make a boon tierlist, that sounds fun
autumn tapir
Interesting note
Dionysus' Poison benefits from Hunter's Mark
wheat elbow
Looks like I would have a lot to disagree with on that list.
Oh yeah, it does.
It's amazing.
autumn tapir
but does it benefit from the "any damage you deal can crit" boon?
wheat elbow
It's kinda hard to make out in the heat of a battle because the color doesn't remain purple
autumn tapir
I remember seeing a feedback saying it wasn't
wheat elbow
Pretty sure it does.
The person just did not see it because the color does not remain purple and/or the crit chance is so low.
stable oyster
wait does it consume the mark?
wheat elbow
Mark can't be consumed anymore.
stable oyster
it moves it now right?
wheat elbow
@autumn tapir I mean, look at a situation like this
Try to tell anyone what here is causing what.
autumn tapir
unrelated note, Triple Bomb + artemis special is absolutely insane
especially with hunter's mark, nothing can survive
wheat elbow
Crits are pretty much a nice addition for everything.
Had a run with Crit Attack on Shield, pressure points and marked.
Getting one crit in was all it takes to get crits started on an entire room without remorse.
native ether
Imagine adding Heart Rend to that combo
wary knot
Will they ever rework the 7 OG God keepsakes? The fact that they all do basically the same thing is a little unexciting. I've never found much use for them either over the Lambent Plume
Although I guess the Lambent Plume falls off a little once you start stacking punishment and you can't blaze through chambers anymore
placid plinth
Huh, I never actually noticed that Exploding Fire actually gives hitstun to Rail. It makes this upgrade ten times better. Especially when paired with Infinity Chamber
wary knot
Oh yeah you can just lock people in the corner with it huh? I think the Poseidon attack boon lets you do a similar thing
rugged apex
oh good, tisiphone's melee dash won't hit me from twice the size of its hitbox.
wheat elbow
Call/Wrath Nerfs, as expected
rugged apex
flurry blade buff!
wheat elbow
That better be one hell of an buff
Weapons & Powers
- Stygian Blade: reduced damage radius of Nova special
- Shield of Chaos: basic attack no longer knocks foes away
pastel jolt
wait wait wait
placid plinth
But Shield no longer knocking foes away :c
wheat elbow
Not quite sure what that means
placid plinth
Tbh, with how bursty is Spread Fire, I never actually noticed that ammo count changed anything
wary knot
It means that spread fire now won't reduce the clip down to... was it 6 before?
wary knot
I guess so!
wheat elbow
That is very very nice
- Dashing Wallop (Shield): reduced damage; adjusted hitbox
This hurts me though.
hard holly
10 round shotgun
placid plinth
Or maybe you can pair Spread Fire and Infinity Chamber now
hard holly
Wait, isnt Spread Fire the shotgun upgrade?
wheat elbow
That it is.
placid plinth
Dashing Wallop was amazing, like, hits 360 around you with double damage
I had not one but two winning Poseidon runs with DW
placid plinth
Now when Shield no longer knocks by basic attack, there needs to be an upgrade that lets you knock enemies by basic attack 😄
Though, probably bad idea
Redundancy with Poseidon
wary knot
I beat a run that I thought was absolutely cursed right before the patch notes dropped. Then I read them and everything I relied on is getting nerfed. Is this what getting carried feels like? 
placid plinth
Damn, just had insane Rail Crit Special build, that obliterated everything in Styx, and still lost to final boss, breaking my 7-streak :/
noble jolt
i just beat the game after the latest patch!! it was so good
broken cipher
Just went on another run and god. The special feels off. At least stacking Vengeance boons dealt with those butterfly generators this time but...every time I get to Elysium it feels like maining Sword was a mistake.
hard holly
Yeah the final boss does a bit too much damage as is
noble jolt
indeed
hard holly
Which is why Im unsure why they buffed them
Dont think they changed the urn phase either
placid plinth
I try not to main anything but just go with weapon that gives +10% for darkness, even though I don't actually need darkness (I already have 7 in Fated Authority). Just like that the game makes the decision on "What should I wield this run" for me
wary knot
Yeah I really like that too, just gives you that little incentive to switch it up
But you don't feel like you need to change it up either
placid plinth
I just like variety it provides
broken cipher
Ah, that's a good strategy. I just don't usually go for action heavy games so sticking to one weapon to master helps immensely. 🤷 Should probably use the others more often to get better overall but...
fluid moat
Noooo thunder dash nerfed again 😭
hard holly
Honestly didnt think it was all that good
Had 5 dashes thanks to Hermes with it and it was still kinda eh
placid plinth
Tbh, I'm also extremely awful at action games - like, really bad dexterity or reaction time - but I just played since the very very beginning so I do have some experience
I think, most of the time, dashing isn't for damage, it's for utility
Particularly, for Privileged Status
Because applying status on dash is basically free, because you still will dash all around the room
subtle shale
so it's been awhile since I've played but I dabbled in Elysium a bit and don't remember having quite as much trouble with the little exploding chariots as I am
trim ingot
they were changed though honestly i don't know how
honestly i don't know how to deal with the kittens i just dash around the room hoping they run into a wall
subtle shale
yeah I've been using the sword and it feels like the only two options are spam special and kite them
native ether
oh thats a fat spread fire buff right there
broken cipher
I got Hades when they announced but I had to miss an entire update. T~T Skill deterioration is a pain.
And yeah, dash boons seem to be more for a bonus while you're positioning rather than anything else.
native ether
might end up using it again since i was basically only picking flurry fire due to the massive increase in dps it offers while also keeping me safe
placid plinth
I think Poseidon sword could work on kittens? But other than that, yeah, they just explode right in your face
native ether
liking that the shield lost a bit of its dps from wall slams (even though I still think its overall incredibly strong and that's not a huge loss)
trim ingot
this update is just more and more "oh you think poseidon is bad? you thought??? well here ya go"
native ether
and nerfs to dashing wallop, very cool
trim ingot
everything's coming up poseidon
placid plinth
Now Poseidon is amazing and anything that isn't Poseidon - not
native ether
Artemis is still great :p
placid plinth
Marked on single-target stopped working. On the other hand, it became amazing room cleaner
"I want everything in that direction dead!"
native ether
Marked rework is kind of floated because Heart Rend now exists and actively encourages building Aphrodite with your crits (which is an amazing excuse to get both crits and weak and get rewarded with free extra damage)
placid plinth
What Heart Rend do?
native ether
increase damage from crit effects on weak enemies by 135%
real shoal
oh boy
placid plinth
Woah
native ether
yeah, its a massive benefit. If you go for a crit build I think its safe to say you should always try and build Aphrodite with it.
placid plinth
To be honest, it's really unexpected to have Aphrodite having dual boons with Artemis and Athena - because of, well, really conflicting personalities 😄
native ether
Artemis and Aphrodite get an interaction if you take the duo from Artemis and its adorable
trim ingot
who among the olympians don't have conflicting personalities
placid plinth
I mean, I can see other gods getting along or at least tolerating each other. But Artemis and Aphrodite have their core values completely incompatible. I mean, celibate virgin goddess Artemis and, well, Aphrodite
real shoal
sje's not a "virgin celibate" tho
trim ingot
oh there's a whole myth where aphrodite kills one of artemis's devotees because he doesn't want a girlfriend
real shoal
she got in a relationship with Orion
trim ingot
artemis? a huge lesbian? it's more likely than you think
real shoal
(google tell me she's virgin, disregard)
autumn tapir
I saw the duo interaction more as "artemis hates social interaction"
native ether
i mean that but i just found it adorable lol. Trying to ask zagreus something and aphrodite shows up, completely messes with her and she just gives up and leaves the boon
wheat elbow
Okay, played the game after the last update
Shield feels pretty mediocre without what made it strong.
Not "weak" but it has lost it's identity.
I lost the run because Hades was dealing ridiculous damage to me.
faint carbon
hades feels a little too strong at the moment I think, maybe that's intentional
or maybe I just need to git gud
wheat elbow
I used the Myrmidon Bracer
And his melee attacks, almost all of them were still swinging for 40 damage
Once, he hit me from behind
80 damage
wheat elbow
Also, he went stealthy so often in the first phase!
placid plinth
Hades: Darkness
https://giphy.com/gifs/pz7X6ivsb8KaEO9D4F
// Not mine, but can't remember who posted this first
faint carbon
wait does hades' projectile do 50 damage now? that seems excessive for something that feels pretty hard to dodge
sacred swallow
so a nerfing patch ...
it was hard as it is running 60+ heat (i don't enjoy running without heat) so now they made it a lot harder
u already almost needed the perfect build as it was
:< rip heat for me
wheat elbow
I had a build that was weaker than what I had on my other runs
but I still felt comfortable about getting the job done
Boy was I wrong.
faint carbon
I was fairly consistently doing 120 heat runs on the previous patch and I haven't managed to beat hades on 60 yet lol
although even biomes 1-3 feel harder than pre-patch
idk if i've gotten worse over the last few days or what but
sacred swallow
i managed to beat him on 75 heat max with a perfect rng .. with a shield ...
not anymore
wary knot
120 heat? Whoa! Do you have a screenshot of your pact set-up for that?
faint carbon
sorry by previous patch I meant pre-styx, not this mini patch
wary knot
Oh yeah, I got that don't worry. Is 120 the max you can get?
wheat elbow
200
faint carbon
200 is max but it's not realistic lol
wheat elbow
With perfect play, I'd say that 185 is possible.
sacred swallow
not hades
wheat elbow
For 200%, you'd also need perfect luck on top of that.
sacred swallow
u could do 185 without styx
but doing hades with 185 with the last nerfs .. unlikely
wheat elbow
Ah, don't be like that, you just have to flawless the fight
and/or almost everything that comes before.
Which, in theory, is possible
assuming perfect skill and knowledge.
sacred swallow
i mean i could always try a shield special build
long range quick shot
but how will i avoid taking dmg from hades adds
wheat elbow
@tawdry jackal Got some ideas for your revenge counter run
A lot of boons that might actually serve that purpose.
There are the 4 revenge counter abilities of course. The Zeus/Ares duo boon is a given I'd say.
You can and/or should also try to grab the Athena Wrath Effect
That would actually help you buy some time for the Zeus/Ares boon to tick without you taking a hit. Also, everything that hits you while that is active get's deflkected, playing into the theme.
wary knot
What punishment are you skipping for 185 heat? The 100% reduced healing or is there a worse one?
wary knot
Yeah, seems real tough to get by on centaur hearts alone
boreal estuary
Nerfs :______(
wary knot
Although doesn't the +3 hp per room end up giving you 1 hp every few rooms even with 100% reduced healing? I might be remembering wrong from when I tried it out
faint carbon
nope
broken cipher
So the plume has been interesting. Intuitive enough for Tartarus, far less so for Asphodel. I'm guessing Elysium's going to follow that model and it'll provide more benefit in Styx due to, well, smaller room sizes.
median ridge
vicious cycle + hunting blades + basically all of artemis's relevant cast buffs was amazing on final boss
subtle shale
Is Tenebrous Veil considered worse than the movement speed one now?
blazing mulch
Just had 120% special chaos, 120% special poseidon, 90% special from chaos. And... Don't take poseidon for spear...
blazing mulch
Well actually poseidon for sword special is Okey
median ridge
any blade rift build, even without hunting blades, is amazing for styx
subtle shale
I had it on sword normal and it was pain
turbid needle
I almost never take Poseidon.
Since his damage nerf, fighting regular enemies is kind of a pain.
He's a very solid option against bosses now, but all the other solid boss killers don't mess with your room-to-room builds like Poseidon does.
median ridge
i was hoping that the other gods would get buffs to put them on par with the A-team this update but it seems they’re still the same
wheat elbow
Do Chariots stop charging if they hit a wall?
The small ones do, I know, but the big ones?
Woooow
Yeah, I think I will not play this game for a day.
Soi, that one run I was talking about earlier, right?
Complete disaster.
So I went for another one, without recording, just for me, wanting to get my groove back.
Poseidon doing his darndest to ruin it by showing up ALL the time, scumlord he is
but I manage, I prevail and make it to the Hades fight.
Having a good time against him, partly because Aphrodite luckily trivalizes the insane damage he deals now, at least to an extend
and then the game got stuck for no reason, in the most awkward way.
Fun part is that the game asked me to file a report about it before I could even think about hitting F10.
I am actually kinda sour about that.
wary knot
Yeah at least 1 way to inflict charm feels like it goes a long way against the big boy
trail orbit
Finally got the bugger at 60 heat
wheat elbow
Real talk, I feel super bummed out right about now.
trail orbit
used athena legendary along with all the bull rush charge upgrades
wheat elbow
Lost what was looking like a promising win streak
trail orbit
was invincible so often I pretty much couldnt be hit