Especially once empowered
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
wheat elbow
Also, with double Nova, pretty much everything is huge damage
turbid needle
Like over the course of 10 hits, Artemis will virtually always do more damage than Athena in the current version
median ridge
i find myself critting around every two or three novas with artemis
wheat elbow
I am sure that youz can actually hit flame wheels with at max distance with sword Nova without taking damage from the explosion
native ether
Crit is a 20% chance. Activating your special means one out of 5 times you are doing triple damage. (With Double Nova it's a much better chance cause you hit twice)
median ridge
yeah double nova and marked will make you crit what feels like almost every time
wheat elbow
and I noticed that you can actually deflect melee attacks
AND that the enemies take damage from them.
A wretched thug was hitting me and took 57 deflect damage.
I may or may not had brilliant reposte in that instant, not sure.
terse tiger
@wheat elbow what's the timing like for deflecting melee? I've done it randomly before, but never intentionally.
wheat elbow
I'm no expert on the matter, but I think what matters is that you have the deflect effect around you
That shiny light shield circle
median ridge
enemies tend to flash white just before they attack
native ether
Just because it's a chance doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad chance, and overall you are going to do more damage just because you are hitting enough times, especially since Artemis' scaling is fairly close to Athena's. (20/40 vs 30/60 at default ranks, with the same scaling percentages for epics)
And doing literally triple damage on a hit is like doing 3 hits at once.
median ridge
for me personally the only build that rivals crits in raw damage is merciful end builds
upbeat junco
what does merciful end do?
wheat elbow
Athena Ares Duo Boon
Deflecting Attacks immediatly trigger Doom and cause that doom to deal 120 extra damage.
With the rightbuild, thats huge
upbeat junco
ok
median ridge
especially when you have athena on dash
wheat elbow
Athena Dash Doom Attack
median ridge
apply doom with attack or special, dash across enemy, and in a few seconds they will be dead.
wheat elbow
Non plus ultra
Because attakc you can spam most of the time
without it knocking enemies back
Attack dash Attack Dash Attack Dash
If you get both on-damage taken triggers from Ares and Athena, you will also get the effect everytime you get hit
I think, It should
upbeat junco
does it refresh the doom?
wheat elbow
Consumes it
median ridge
makes it use up faster and with a ton of extra damage so you dont have to wait to reapply it
upbeat junco
ok
wheat elbow
That's probably among the highest damaging builds you can get
Sword, Double Nova/Super Nova
Doom Attack, Athena Dash and Special
I gotta say, Ares has been very very good to me this update.
median ridge
i hope we get some better duo boons for zeus/dio/poseidon in the update because all the powerful builds and duo boons are in the A Team
wheat elbow
He was easily the worst god during the beefy update but the High Speed Update skyrocketed his performance
Zeus already has 3 and all of them are pretty strong.
Dio has 2, both of which very strong.
Poiseidon, yes, he needs the attention
median ridge
poseidon/zeus’s duo boon is great.....for anything but bosses, just like all of poseidon’s abilities
native ether
Poseidon's damage is just stunted cause lack of wall slams on bosses. He does offer some fantastic just straight up damage though.
wheat elbow
@median ridge Not even that. Everything that can't be knocked around isn't affected either
like soul catchers
or enemies that are in an animation that makes it impossible to knock them.
median ridge
artemis/zeus is a nice duo boon but nothing that i would base a build off of, just a cherry on top for damage. aphrodite/dio seems great but i still need to get a good build for it. poseidon is useless
analog sail
One of these days I should shoot for Dio's legendary, I've never seen it.
...what does it do again?
wheat elbow
It increases damage taken by poisoned enemies standing in his cast cloud by 100%
native ether
Aphrodite + Dio (or his legendary) is tbh the only reason I think a poison build is viable. Without it poison's damage can be underwhelming unless you sink lots and lots of poms into it.
median ridge
poison spread fire rail can be a fun build
wheat elbow
I mean, Aphro + Dionysus implies that you have Aphrodite who deals good damage by herself.
native ether
If you're running a poison based build I strongly recommend going for Low Tolerance just to make fights take a more agreeable amount of time, especially Theseus and some of those Elysium rooms.
wheat elbow
Did you see my run where I tried to clear the game with a common nasty dash only?
analog sail
How much did it take? 3 hours?
native ether
That probably took forever lol
wheat elbow
I sadly couldn't clear, I died in Elysium for a very bland reason.
I died to soul catchers because I couldn't do a thing against a screen filled with buitterflies.
That aside, I was halfway through Elysium and the video was like
40 minutes, real time?
native ether
Poison's damage is pretty high for the first couple biomes, so that seems fair.
analog sail
So T&A might have taken 15 minutes by itself
native ether
I expect it dropped off hard in Elysium lol
native ether
Yeah that is a yikes
wheat elbow
But it was a learning experience.
For one, I learned that Nasty Dash actually has base damage.
You should watch the video while you wait, it is one of the most fun times I had playing
Just checked back. It was the big soul catcher that did the trick
slender wing
Hey I've been playing for a while and i never get any duo boons is there any way to get them
slender wing
Okay thank you
green birch
Freak Accident stacks well if you can get both jolted and hunter’s mark, trust me
It’s hard to do but 100% worth it
kind fiber
Doesn't jolted only trigger its damage when an enemy performs an attack?
wheat elbow
It does.
Which makes it low-key better for frenzied runs.
Faster enemies attacking faster and more regularly = huge amounts of AOE damage.
kind fiber
Yeah, that makes sense
wheat elbow
@native ether I tried it out really quick.
You can deflect melee attacks back at their sender with deflect.
Deflecting a wretched thugs melee strike deals 40 damage to him
native ether
could you test it against a different enemy like a Lout? Just to get the damage value.
If its a consistent multiplier, I can add it to the wiki.
wheat elbow
Pretty sure it ain't consistent.
If you deflect a witch's projectile, it deals 40 damage
it's 5 damage regularly.
Wave Maker Deflects hit for 70
They hit fpr 14 regularly.
native ether
they hit for 7 lol
rugged apex
wave makers hit for 7 normally? unless all the times they've hit me have been weak which seems unlikely
native ether
which is weird though because id think it would be 56 deflect damage (projectiles have always pretty consistently been a multiplier of 8)
placid silo
worthy forge
noice
atomic panther
Time to check the patch notes for a World Splitter buff
fossil wing
@wheat elbow sorry I think I did that wrong. Let me try agian.
fossil wing
All good -- I think the permissions are fixed now so people can post #hades-feedback as you wish.
hard holly
I really hope explosive launcher wont be nerfed too hard
toxic acorn
only one way to find out- play the game some!
toxic acorn
yall just play the game a bit before you say these things omg
somber epoch
But now you can do knockback related stuff
rugged apex
to compensate for what looks like increased utility, though? if he can knockback bosses in any significant way it'll be way stronger
somber epoch
This will help make Poseidon runs more c on nsistent
Also i cant wait to bully theseus
hard holly
Loving the new explosive launcher
pastel jolt
you won't know until you try it, is the thing
autumn tapir
Poseidon was the worst god imo pre-Big Bad, I think this change will be for the better
hard holly
Oh I already have Poseidon and used it vs Boss
Eh
He had the highest values IIRC
He was the best one, him or Artemis
But yeah, I used the knockback vs bosses, and it was more annoying than helpful
autumn tapir
that's now gone to Aphro now, right
toxic acorn
seriously though, play the game. do a few runs, then discuss whether stuff is good or bad. then after talking about it a bit, post some feedback
somber epoch
Whats the gameplay experience of petting cerberus
steep lark
Fantastic
autumn tapir
idk about this whole "styx" stuff, seems like they should have focused the resources on more cerberus pet animations tbh
hard holly
Oooof
I can swap my Athena special boon for Poseidon
On one hand the damage is way better
On the other hand I like deflect and dont like knockback
autumn tapir
what weapon
hard holly
Spear Explosive Launcher
somber epoch
I guess it depends on how much uncle energy you want in the run
hard holly
Alternatively I take rupture for a free 300 damage every cast
But 200% extra damage on special is hard to pass up
Screw it, Ill get the 200%
autumn tapir
poseidon all the way
spear's a bit slow for deflect
hard holly
Explosive launcher is pretty fast
somber epoch
I find the spear is a bit thin for my tastes, deflect wise
frosty pier
toxic acorn
makes sense now that they heal for 50%
death defiance is still incredibly strong, athena is still incredibly strong because of that
somber epoch
I have achieved understanding
atomic star
Whatever these hydra changes are, that fight lasted forever
somber epoch
Im personally fine with making hydra an actual fight again
toxic acorn
to my knowledge, hydra changes are more armor on the small heads, more health on the big head, big head transitions between phases faster
atomic panther
Kisses started at 90, then got bumped up to 120 last patch. Now they're 250
somber epoch
I think thats perfectly reasonable given how much dds were buffed
forest marsh
Makes the free DDs more valuable, too
somber epoch
Im a bit surprised there isnt a new weapon, thou
forest marsh
Adding a new area is a lot of work
autumn tapir
yeah there wasn't a new weapon with elysium either
hard holly
Oh right
forest marsh
Check the roadmap for what they are prioritizing for future updates
toxic acorn
pretty sure a new weapon is pretty high up on the roadmap now
hard holly
Poseidon knockback scales with damage
My spear straight up yeets the chariots to the other end of the room
toxic acorn
pretty sure it's the same one lol
somber epoch
Lemme guess, he busts out a guitar and plays some country
autumn tapir
"country roads, take me home"
atomic panther
He flips his scythe over and strings it like a guitar
somber epoch
He gets a new theme and its called Laster Words 
trim ingot
last words intensifies
toxic acorn
isn't it a harpsichord 🤔
blazing mulch
Wait the soundtrack is on spotify?
I thought only bastion, transistor and pyre atm, that's great
hard holly
I was in Elysium
quasi knoll
hey so what was changed about wrath
kind fiber
Seems like wrath abilities can be casted from lower wrath amounts for smaller effects
At least that was my experience with aphrodite's wrath
It might also be generated somewhat faster
Wrath abilities seem to have a "max wrath" bonus that does something extra
fluid moat
Yeah so each wrath has a certain number of charge denominations now, activate it before its fully charged, it ticks down 1 portion; use it when it is full and you will get an enhanced effect
Allows you to use it for a small amount of time more often, or store up charges for a spirit bomb effect
kind fiber
Cool
Seems like some of the god portraits are animated now
Lookin at Dionysus's flowing clothing/wine
blazing mulch
You can use it more frequently. As I remember I had to have half to use poseidon, now I can use it at 25%. But I found it annoying cuz it make it very short. Maybe there could be also mechanic as press and hold to use 2+ charges
Edit : looks like it use always all charges. So I think it's bugged that's sometimes use just one charge. Hard to tell which scenario is bad haha
hard holly
Some quick notes on the boss:
The small bombs he drops need to be removed ASAP
If you dont, they create an explosion that seems to do all your health in one hit (I had Hermes's regain health after dodge, and I was healed for 140)
Im not sure how the explosion can be avoided, but apparently it can be
When he goes invisible, you can see his position if one of your casts dislodges
Since it dislodges from where he is
Try to keep him to one of the edges, so that you can simply stay out of range of his laserattack (since it eventually covers the full circle with barely any breathing room)
proud storm
you can dash through the bomb's shockwave
proud storm
time it better
hard holly
Maybe the timing is precise and I missed it
proud storm
also you can see where the boss is when he's invisible by looking at the prints in the snow
proud storm
f
hard holly
The urns or the laser?
pastel jolt
i'll talk about it when my hands aren't shaking
hard holly
Alright
pastel jolt
i can't help but feel a little cheated that hades wasn't at his desk when i got back
proud storm
loving the elysium witches' new look https://i.imgur.com/aUn4Uy6.png
hard holly
Yeah thats odd
blazing mulch
Aaa and time for 4 biome!
pastel jolt
alright, so, loadout was rapid triple shot on bow with artemis attack + clean kill
hard holly
Nice
pastel jolt
and zeus dash + call
hard holly
Whats the new Clean Kill value?
pastel jolt
it seems like AoE attacks work against you in the second phase, because you'll be uncontrollably breaking urns
dunno, didn't think to write it down
round wing
ahhh
pastel jolt
it looks like they break when damaged, but when you're droppin 108% larger thunderbolts every time you dash, and have a call effect that blitzes everything around you
¯_(ツ)_/¯
kind fiber
@hard holly Its 30% for epic
pastel jolt
if it hadn't been for that, i wouldn't have died, because that's where most of the damage was coming from in phase 2
hard holly
Yeesh
kind fiber
Did you know how to cure it?
hard holly
Clean Kill was eviscerated
round wing
I searched for it, but didnt find it
pastel jolt
idk, it seemed pretty good to me
kind fiber
The pools are green and basically in the middle of most rooms
pastel jolt
to cure poison, you need to look for the little fountains in the room
elfin pulsar
so I just got murdered by the urns, am I supposed to break them or avoid them?
hard holly
Thats on average worse than Ares's Urge to Kill
proud storm
avoid them
kind fiber
Don't need to look to hard to find the pools that cure poison
pastel jolt
either break them at a distance or avoid hitting them
median ridge
i didn't even notice poison in styx
round wing
yea I've seen these pools
median ridge
i saw the cure wells and was like "huh i guess there must be poison here"
elfin pulsar
rip, tried to sword those urns and got rocked
pastel jolt
gOD my hands won't stop shaking
hard holly
Id probably say that dash boons shouldnt break urns
elfin pulsar
awesome fight tho
kind fiber
@median ridge Some attacks inflicted poison, if you weren't taking damage, you wouldn't ever be poisoned
round wing
its pretty hard to be with a bow in styx
pastel jolt
eh, i was using the bow just now and it was fine
but then again that was with rapid shot
round wing
I didnt get it as an option
hard holly
I think youd be fine with the regular shot as well
pastel jolt
bow or rail is basically a freebie for the split-rooms tho
round wing
I had the slow shot
hard holly
But youll probably need to dash instantly on the small rooms
Ah, yeah, the slow shot is not optimal in Styx
Although
pastel jolt
yeah, i had a couple times where the enemies just lunged for me immediately on entering which didn't feel great
hard holly
If you release it instantly, does it fire a weak explosive shot?
round wing
this was my first game in the new update
pastel jolt
pat's spearpoint absolutely carried me tho
hard holly
Ironically dash attacks make it easier to deal with those rooms
They just kill you at the boss
round wing
very good
hard holly
Dash boons rather
pastel jolt
hades hit me immediately after the boss intro with a big ol' spin-dash and i actualled yelled "what the hell" at my screen when i saw how much damage he did
elfin pulsar
what keepsake have you guys been running?
round wing
I take zeus's one
pastel jolt
it's like theseus's spin but worse because i haven't gotten a feel for the range on it yet 😭
round wing
or Ares when im with the spear
pastel jolt
god - god - spearpoint - spearpoint is how i've been going
i'd go earring but i like not being hit
elfin pulsar
huh so does the spearpoint really make a difference on hades?
mine is only rank 1 atm
no clue how good it is
wheat elbow
I finished it with the Myrmidon Bracer
round wing
I just take the weapon, that has the darknesss bonus
hard holly
Biome 4 is Distant Memory or Skull Earring
I might actually not go for god keepsakes on biome 3 though
Didnt give me much and Biome 3 is more challenging than biome 4
round wing
I cleared 4 of them
kind fiber
Well its in the last one then
hard holly
Then its the fifth one
round wing
wait
hard holly
Although, Im curious
round wing
I cleared 3 then
kind fiber
Okay then
hard holly
I dont think it can be the skull-marked rooms, but Im not certain?
elfin pulsar
have you guys tried using the hermes keepsake all the way thru? i've only done one run so far this patch but it was at 25% by hades
hard holly
I guess?
stable oyster
WE DID IT BOYS
hard holly
Their icons have little skulls on them
stable oyster
clear down
kind fiber
Skull marked rooms come with more elite foes than the norm
hard holly
Thats how I distinguish em
wheat elbow
With shorter Biomes, God Keepsakes are much less consistently good than before.
hard holly
Nice
wheat elbow
And they were questionable before that too.
hard holly
I never quite got that take
pastel jolt
god keepsakes are good for when you have a specific build in mind you wanna work towards
elfin pulsar
targeting the boon you want still seems good i'd feel
hard holly
I find myself never using anything but god keepsakes outside the very last level mainly because getting one guaranteed shot for a boon that makes your build better
kind fiber
@wheat elbow They final zone has like 20 short rooms in it, its basically the perfect setup for those scaling boons
elfin pulsar
i like playing with random new builds every time but targeting a prime build is probably optimal
hard holly
Is just more consistently good than damage or defense upgrades on the biomes that eventually become a breeze
wheat elbow
@kind fiber Do they work for Butterfly/Plume?
atomic panther
For the full run I'm doing Coinpurse-God-God-God
kind fiber
I assumed it did, but if it doesn't then I'm wrong
elfin pulsar
i just did, sadly does not
toxic acorn
to my knowledge they only work with the last big room at the end of each path
elfin pulsar
^
hard holly
Once you get the reward, yeah
atomic panther
Sometimes I swap out the last god trinket for a collar if I'm either solid with my build or really low on health
kind fiber
I seem to be getting far fewer chaos boon opportunities for some reason
hard holly
I did notice that as well actually
pastel jolt
that moment when the final boss gets you so stressed that you injure one of your hands and have to stop playing 👌
hard holly
So, I have a question
What does everyone think about the shorter biomes?
Personally I kinda want an option to increase their length
Maybe a heat pact or something
median ridge
interesting....i got cerb's snack on the very first path in styx.
also oof, i hope your hand gets better 😦
elfin pulsar
i like it for the base game, but I think some sort of extended mode would be perfect
kind fiber
Feel a bit short, I'm pretty sure its the cause of why I'm seeing less chaos portals
tacit rover
I have found the snack in a skull marked room so I don't think there's a rule against it spawning there
kind fiber
or whatever they are called
median ridge
no wonder styx felt so short. i was in and out within two minutes
elfin pulsar
yeah styx was the only place I didn't like the length of
kinda disappointing
hades fight is amazing tho
tacit rover
it's beautifully designed aesthetic wise
tacit rover
I think we all do
kind fiber
@wheat elbow I believe gods will still "give you their 2 cents" if you cast a wrath with max wrath
hard holly
I think my 3 big wishes are an option for longer levels, a change to the urn phase of the final boss, and maybe, given Styxs "choose to do more rooms" design, an optional big path more akin to the previous biomes
Maybe a less downtrodden part of the Temple
pastel jolt
yeah, they only do the cutin on full gauge now
hard holly
With Hades's Acolytes and other such enemies
tacit rover
I feel like it's a much needed change. Old wrath system wasn't nearly this rewarding.
kind fiber
Zeus's before was so bad because of the short range, but now you only have to be in range for a much shorter time and it still deals significant damage
hard holly
Im not sure about the wrath change personally
Using a smaller charge feels kinda weak
wheat elbow
Zeus was bad because getting 100 points was nearly impossible.,
hard holly
Using a full charge trivializes some boss phases
rugged apex
ooh, sea storm+jolted... that's priv in one attack!
kind fiber
Also that but its range is also pretty short
Like you have to be 2 feet away for the lightning to hit a target
hard holly
Like, part of why I was able to beat the final boss with just 2 death defiances lost
elfin pulsar
is artemis mark applying to nearby enemies a change from this patch?
rugged apex
yeah
hard holly
Was that I was able to Poseidon Wrath through half of the second phase
elfin pulsar
its completely nuts
tacit rover
I'm super melee in my playstyle so I've never minded Zeus' wrath lol
stable oyster
I want hades to have some piercing attacks
kind fiber
Well
Its just that, its melee and it doesn't offer invulnerability. So it basically supercharged your damage in a very unnecessary way
that would come too late in a fight
kind fiber
wait what?
wheat elbow
everytime I used my Call
wanton raptor
Happy patch day everyone !! ❤
wheat elbow
Call = Wrath
wheat elbow
It's apparently the new name for the mechanic
hard holly
Call is the new name for Wrath
wheat elbow
Also, Hermes legendary now is huge too
kind fiber
that is pretty great with a few of the wrath effects
wheat elbow
Makes all your cast pebbles come back to you immediatly.
kind fiber
The hermes legendary i saw was terrible
marsh pawn
whats the patch size?
kind fiber
Unless you are specifically using a cast build where they are removed in like 2 seconds
Even then its unnecessary
wheat elbow
Depends on the Cast I'd say.
Not having to run and grab them is huge.
Or in a fight like the Bone Hydra.
kind fiber
Eh, maybe zeus's cast?
wheat elbow
That's because Ares cast needs specific boons to be good.
kind fiber
Well, I was trying to go ares pretty hard
stable oyster
all casts do
wheat elbow
You using the word "try" implies that it did not go your way
toxic acorn
50 heat time to kill hades
kind fiber
I managed to get the 80% faster ares boon, but failed to get the hunting blades duo
The hunting blades duo boon would have made the build broken regardless
Doubt that the returning boons would have made any difference
returning casts*
muted ruin
Best thing about new patch: I can stop ignoring the shield because I'd completed a 120 heat run and was trying so hard to get one done with rail or sword. ❤ dashing wallop so much!
wheat elbow
So, here is a question for you jokers.
stable oyster
no
wheat elbow
What weapon would you say is best with 3 hammers?
kind fiber
Sword?
stable oyster
wait can you get 3?
tacit rover
uhhh..sword bias
kind fiber
@stable oyster Yeah, you can get a third from the final zone's shop offered at the end
stable oyster
shield, because it is the best weapon with and without hammers
wheat elbow
On the last floor, Charon had a third one for sale for 500
muted ruin
shield always wins
wheat elbow
I had the shield. It was pretty okay but not mindblowing.
I think the Bow has potencial.
kind fiber
Maybe the bow?
wheat elbow
Imagine Bow + Twin Shot, Explosive Shot + Tripple Shot
stable oyster
you block all of the final bosses attacks with shield
tacit rover
the bow has potential for sure
kind fiber
Tripple shot and twin shot are exclusive
hard holly
Twin and Triple cant be combined
muted ruin
although rail with triple special, blast absorb and piercing... could be nice
tacit rover
it's building it that's a struggle
wheat elbow
@hard holly Pretty sure that used to work once!
quasi knoll
ok so what do the satyrs do?
wheat elbow
Or did it...
hard holly
Honestly, I cant think of any weapon you want 3 hammers on
The best one is probably Gun
kind fiber
The sword .... maybe?
hard holly
Just because you have a reason to use both the special and the attack
turbid needle
Satyrs poison you.
hard holly
I didnt know the last one existed
Shield then
Though thats pretty narrow and lucky
And shield has a bunch of duds
Like the special upgrades (Mirage Flight is at least useable)
turbid needle
Dashing Wallop, Dread Flight, Mirage Flight.
kind fiber
Eh,, the extra charge damage to armor doesn't seem that useful in the final zone
stable oyster
its 400% tho
turbid needle
I find extra armor damage to only be okay.
hard holly
Is Dread Flight the explosive one?
stable oyster
no, it hits like 8
turbid needle
Bosses don't have armor, and having an effective boss-killer build is very important.
turbid needle
Mirage Flight isn't great, but I'm honestly thinking of a Merciful End build.
hard holly
Dont like the 50% extra damage on attack for no knockback simply because its additive now
turbid needle
I've found that three hammers isn't really necessary.
stable oyster
mirage flight lets you combo easy, its a nice qol upgrade
hard holly
Merciful End is?
wheat elbow
Mirage Flight is amazing in the right build.
stable oyster
yea but 3 gives you a higher chance to get the 2 you want
turbid needle
Ares/Athena, attacks that Deflect instantly proc Doom and provide a secondary hit.
That's fair.
wheat elbow
If you have a good boon on it, dash and attack, it just gives you one more enabler to use consistently.
turbid needle
But if you've got a good 2-hammer build already, save your cash.
stable oyster
good for stacking privileged with a dot special boon
wheat elbow
On my run, I had Dread Flight, Mirage Flight and Explosive return.
stable oyster
save your cash for what lol
wheat elbow
It got the job done.
hard holly
Dread and Explosive return seems like a major nonbo
turbid needle
ER was great when Dionysus was bugged.
wheat elbow
On the other hand, explosive return is now much better in single target fights.
hard holly
Yeah, thats how you call anti-combos
Nonbos
Anyway, time to not play Hades for a bit because of exams and vacation
Have fun everyone
And tell me what the new broken speedrun strat is
hard holly
Thanks
fossil lance
median ridge
F10 in game, and that sounds like something that happens when you have a chaos curse
toxic acorn
median ridge
so not a bug, that's an intended effect
toxic acorn
50 heat hades kill
autumn tapir
zeus special is great on bow
I only now realized this
toxic acorn
shoutouts to never picking a special boon
hard holly
Wait is it?
toxic acorn
actually, shoutouts to athena & death defiances
hard holly
I thought its still only one bolt per special
turbid needle
Nah, every arrow that lands will deliver a lightning strike.
turbid needle
It's been in the game for a minute, I thought.
You've got to barrel-stuff people to effectively get all the lightning strikes, which can be dangerous for enemies who will blow you up if you're not careful.
autumn tapir
yeah I got the +100% shots hammer upgrade for it
hard holly
True but with just 20 damage per bolt thats 200 damage pers special that also bounces all over the room
turbid needle
^
finite nova
In the styx, if you push that Diamond-Lazer-2.0 with Poseidon, it will get away from map and will be untouchable for a long time, Nice Nice
Hades is crazy, kmp.
Need deflect dash ASAP
autumn tapir
yeah zeus is busted
I just melted the hydra in a bit over 2 minutes
amber torrent
If we ran into a bug that can't be reported via picture, where do we do that?
amber torrent
And just want to check: they didn't change Calls to drain one bar at a time, right?
turbid needle
They did.
amber torrent
Cause my Athena Call was just draining one bar every time I used it
turbid needle
Used to be a mechanic called "Wrath" where you needed an entire gauge, now it's Call.
amber torrent
Oh, so that's a new thing then?
turbid needle
If you fill the entire gauge, you get Greater Call, which is the Call on steroids. It explains them in the boons.
turbid needle
Zeus went from "very situational" to "probably the best in the entire game."
proud storm
okay wig https://streamable.com/egk6x
whipped frenzy hades
it... doesnt really count though because spent spirit slows projectiles down by 50% so his cast is super sloooow
atomic panther
I think Ares with his new legendary is the best
proud storm
also i made a lot of mistakes and i was saved by my otherwise broken build
hard holly
Whats his new legendary?
proud storm
vicious cycle?
+1 damage per consecutive blade rift hit
only affects blade rift attacks and resets if you miss once
turbid needle
Yeah, get it with Hunting Blades, it's SUPER balanced. 
kind fiber
ITs really difficult to get both tho
hard holly
The strongest attacks arent really any harder
arctic venture
ares' wrath + his legendary is UNBELIEVABLE
atomic panther
It's also frighteningly consistent to get
arctic venture
you can sit on any boss and chew them up with your 15 second rift time
atomic panther
You need a blade rift boon + a rift synergy boon as prerequisites
The problem is Asterius keeps running away >:(
arctic venture
I feel like I kind of cheated my way to my first clear of the new boss but it was still a great challenge and tons of fun
kind fiber
Wait what?
How consistant is it highpriest?
I've always struggled to get ares's legendary and the ares artemis duo
atomic panther
I don't know numbers but I've been eligible for it in three runs and each time I got it the first time available
kind fiber
Well
I've been trying to get EITHER the past 3 runs and i've been elligible for both for awhile
and have gotten neither
turbid needle
Why do the Gods refuse to fill empty boon slots?
Zeus has offered me Electric Shot 3 times now on this run and not Lightning Strike ONCE.
arctic venture
I feel you! attack boons (particularly if you're going after a particular god's) can feel weirdly difficult to get considering what an impact they have
I appreciate that the randomness makes each run feel different but it's funny to grab like a dozen poseidon boons and still have no attack from him
rotund herald
Damm... 10% left on the second phase and died.. If that is even it
the damage is insane 😄
turbid needle
Dionysus on the boat ride and I can already see Epic After Party, Nasty Dash, and Blight Flourish (on the Rail).
I got Nasty Dash, but he also gave me Epic Blight Strike, so all is forgiven (for now).
kind fiber
The new impending doom boon from ares seems terrible unless you are specifically going for an athena ares duo
Takes an additional .5 seconds to trigger boon effects for only 65% extra damage on the rare version
The math would probably put it at about a 10% damage increase for your doom assuming that the uptime isn't effected by the additional .5 seconds of duration
arctic venture
it worked ok for me because I was pairing it with artemis + hunter's mark and was consistently doing 1,100+ damage with curses
kind fiber
With athena's duo boon?
arctic venture
I had phantom flight on my shield so I was able to toss it, dash around and lay down a ton of blade rifts, and then toss it again
kind fiber
Yeah thats what I mean
arctic venture
artemis* oops
kind fiber
Sounds like you had a pretty strong crit build
finite grail
Oh wow, a boon that doubles Pom of power effectiveness
arctic venture
yeah I got insanely lucky! especially since hunter's mark spreads between enemies and pressure points can proc on blade rifts I believe
rocky mica
Just had a chest which I could open for 0 gold. ;o
kind fiber
From which god?
rocky mica
Fought enemies, and got 0 gold. Now I'm sad. 😦
kind fiber
@finite grail From which god? Dion?
finite grail
Poseidon
turbid needle
Duo between Poseidon and Aphro.
rocky mica
I assume everyone has their chaosgates bugged?
Or did some choice trigger it during the run.
hard holly
Did you happen to have a chaos boon that prevented you from getting gold?
rocky mica
Yea but I'm still sad. 😦
I was watching Dota, forgot it was still on.
Ahh 'wrath' is finally usefull it seems!
wheat elbow
Wrath is just amazing.
Some more than others I'd say though.
Zeus was awesome and carried my run.
Poseidon kinda feels like he got the short end of the stick, a bit.
rocky mica
Only tried 1 so far but this one I actually want to use. ;p
wheat elbow
Got three hammers with the bow.
Started with Tripple Shot, followed by Instant shot
followed by a hammer that only had two options left, both specials
rocky mica
Plume finally usefully past act 1. Bit of tinkering with the time maybe but thats expected.
"finally"
native ether
Wrath is oh so much better now
Plume is good too but i feel its a tad undertuned. You can definitely now clear more rooms with it though, which is a huge plus
rocky mica
Yea, first it was take act 1, dump act 2. But early access and all.
Have more faith they'll finetune those things then I expect them to fix the a.i. in Civilisation games.
rocky mica
Impending doom "doom effects deal more damage after 0,5 sec". So just a delay with more damage?
wheat elbow
Oh yeah
by the way
Dionysus/Poseidon duo boon
if you get that early on, you are stacked for life.
native ether
Definitely think though Hunting Blades is going to be a 120 heat strategy now
cause lol i cant imagine playing styx with increased speed or damage
wheat elbow
It is not.
I actually lost a hunting blades run.
Maybe with vicious cycle we can talk.
On it's own, Hunting Blades ain't enough.
native ether
my question is how do you lose a hunting blades run lol.
wheat elbow
Well first of all!
native ether
you can just toss the cast and hide in the corner
wheat elbow
The bow is my worst weapon by FAR
Second of all, the run wasn't really all that good, all things considered.
Didn't get what I really wanted or needed to pop off.
Paired with my inability to use the bow properly, it sadly was no gold experience.
rocky mica
Bow needs time and you don't want or can't take time properly vs bosses. Esp if they keep moving those bastards.
somber epoch
guys, what do you think of the changes to Hunter's Mark
wheat elbow
Mixed.
native ether
I actually like them (didn't like them initially, but the much increased chance means that you can pop free crit setups on basically every enemy in a room and then go ham)
wheat elbow
Higher crit chance, epic one gave me around 55%
But the debuff is applied to the nearest enemy of your target
not your target itself.
native ether
yeah think the epic is a 50-65% chance
wheat elbow
It is great for roomclear, bad for single targets.
somber epoch
It's mostly useless in the Hydra fight
rocky mica
So useless pretty much.
somber epoch
and in the last fight
wheat elbow
It's actually good in the Hydra Fight
native ether
I think its actually the most useful in the Hydra fight out of any boss
native ether
Its most useful boss wise in Hydra and Theseus.
wheat elbow
Meg too.
Theseus/Asterius
Hades also spawns some adds.
So it's not "bad"
just inconvenient in the fights where it counts the most.
native ether
The final boss you'll see more limited effectiveness but he has some seriously buff adds.
rocky mica
I'd still take others over it though.
somber epoch
i guess, but it feels bad when i have to chip away at the main head with no chance of a mark
rocky mica
I want something to be reliable and usefull in all cases.
wheat elbow
So do I.
native ether
I think though now if you're playing a crit run, you should be dropping marked and building Aphrodite with it though.
wheat elbow
Which is why Artemis is my least favorite goddess.
rocky mica
I'd take Hermes as least for now.
native ether
Heart Rend is so strong if you're playing a crit build you should be building Aphrodite just to score that duo boon.
somber epoch
i mean like currently this run is slapping everything because i've got posideon dash so everybody is getting a heaping helping of priveleged status and then dying
hard holly
Wait so mark is useless in a 1 on 1 boss fight?
rocky mica
You have to wait for mobs to spawn and then hit them near it.
native ether
Yeah Mark is only a wave clear option now. Its situationally useful in bosses because most of them have adds.
rocky mica
(it being boss)
native ether
Mark can proliferate itself though.
somber epoch
however i think mark is now a godsend for applying debuffs to a bunch of people in quick succession
hard holly
I dont like it
rocky mica
Yea but the end problem is bosses, generally speaking rooms/mobs aren't the big issue.
native ether
a fast attacking crit build will cover a room in Marks. Its range is huge.
elfin pulsar
alright got hades on my 2nd try, 28 minutes
rocky mica
With all weapons and skills I look at it first how does this help me vs bosses before anything else.
elfin pulsar
zeus wrath really cheese phase 2, did like half his health before he even moved
somber epoch
also real talk shield is busted i havent played hades in months and then on first run just bull rushed hades into the ground
i mean like i did also have 400 health and 4 DDs so
native ether
If you're playing crit focused now, you should be leaning into enough Aphrodite to get that duo tbh cause lol... double crit damage is a mood and a half right there
rocky mica
I hate the new icon.
wheat elbow
For regular play, those are huge and buffs.
rocky mica
Please change!
wheat elbow
For heated play....maybe a bit less so.
elfin pulsar
wait is it double crit damage? I think the duo boon is 135% crit dmg
somber epoch
Actually, I think a good change would be to increase the darkness cost to get DDs
rocky mica
Well the old DD where you got a fraction of a life was silly.
Easy enough to finetune stuff.
somber epoch
DD's pre last stand were just one off things imho
you maybe bought an extra one from shop maybe not
when last stand and its counterparts came onto the scene that changed
wheat elbow
Previously, one DD was worth 90 Obols in Beefboy Update, then 120 in Hermes, but only gave 20% back
Now it's 50% life back, but if you want to buy them at a well, they come for a bit more over twice the price.
somber epoch
also i kinda facerolled the last biome
i took no damage from any of the room fights
wheat elbow
If you have 200 HP, getting that Death Defiance for 250 Obols is worth 100 effective HP.
Which is four times the value of a regular centaur heart
somber epoch
i didnt even know how poison worked
wheat elbow
making your money/hp ratio twice as good as shop value for Centuar hearts
somber epoch
i mean like shield in close quarters with deflect on attack makes it yawn
i also didn't know the sack was RNG
but that last fight was niiiiiice
somber epoch
i actually wasnt able to hear anything
wheat elbow
right from the moment it began.
elfin pulsar
im still not exactly sure what happens in phase 2, but its definitely amazing
somber epoch
ill have to fight him again at some point
wheat elbow
It was a variant of the main menu theme.
somber epoch
radical
also that backdrop is straight anime
i actually thought the fight itself was relatively easy
pearl inlet
man, i went for a dash powershot build, but didn't get the bonus powershot damage hammer, instead i got the instant shot and twin shot one, and apparently Chaos's +dash damage boon (and maybe Artemis too) doesn't work with instant shots.
Instant shots is super fun though, ended up going crit, and got exposed + crit after deflects and did like 400x2 damage per shot
somber epoch
but that's probably due to a lot of experience
elfin pulsar
it definitely felt easier than release theseus
elfin pulsar
so i've fought him twice, first time I reached phase 2 I died almost instantly because I tried to sword some urns
second time he died in about 30 seconds to zeus wrath
somber epoch
i dont like the amount of invuln time he can have in phase 1
elfin pulsar
all I saw was he placed some urns and did a 3 hit combo
somber epoch
but i guess thats really due to me not knowing health gates
rocky mica
So far some decent changes, hopefully next patch keepsakes get reworked. So many useless ones.
wheat elbow
Which one do you think is useless
rocky mica
Top 4 from the right, and on the left are another 2-3 in both rows.
Have to look in the menu.
wheat elbow
Tell me what they do, I don't have their positions memorized
wheat elbow
Agreed on that one.
elfin pulsar
skull earring is beast
rocky mica
health from vases stuff
wheat elbow
More damage below 30% is actually worse now that they buffed Death Defiances.
Gives you a weaker overall uptime
elfin pulsar
still the speedrun standard im sure
elfin pulsar
oooo
rocky mica
Well speedruns should never a standard guideline. ;p
elfin pulsar
no, but it means it isn't useless
rocky mica
be*
hard holly
Nah skull earring is great
elfin pulsar
they dont all have to made for every run
hard holly
More damage even if situational damage is good
I pick it every time I cant pick Distant Memory
rocky mica
But there are some that are useless in nearly all situations. ;p
hard holly
Yeah the bad ones are the rubble pillar one, health from vases and uh
hard holly
I guess I dont like Myrmidon Bracers much but
wheat elbow
4% chance to get snacks worth 10% of your HP is very nice.
elfin pulsar
bracers gotta be pretty nice tho I'd think
wheat elbow
That can easily outscale Cerberus' Color for example.
elfin pulsar
i've been starting to use it and it seems nice
wheat elbow
Myrmidon bracer is huge for high torment runs.
hard holly
Oh yeah Cerbs collar is not great I suppose
rocky mica
Bracers is prob one of the strongest.
pearl herald
funny how by just adding more biomes to the game collar went from the best to the worst,when hydra was the last boss everyone used collar in high heat runs lol
well,not the worst
but not top tier anymore
elfin pulsar
is collar actually bad now? I agree that it was amazing before
im not sure why it would be bad in styx
autumn tapir
collar isn't bad, it just isn't skull earring
rocky mica
Hourglass is pretty useless, I mean most rewards from there aren't amazing in itself.
I guess if you change some stuff there/in there it could become better that way.
elfin pulsar
i think hourglass might be kinda underrated honestly
wheat elbow
Especially for Cast builds.
rocky mica
I'd take distant memory then.
wheat elbow
Although I have to say that with how many chambers Styx has, it may have lost it's luster
I picked up the hourglass quite often after the Hydra fight
Bought out all the temporary well buffs after that.
autumn tapir
which one is hourglass again?
wheat elbow
30% chance to get health drops from enemies for 8 rooms
The one that increases the duration of well Items
30% HP regen every room
1-2 more casts, more cast damage, more MS
elfin pulsar
ye the way that hourglass works in styx is a serious bummer
rocky mica
Or get hit less by practice/dodge/damage reduction.
More usefull in all situations without relying on luck.
wheat elbow
There ain't much luck involved if you are fiscally responsible with your obols.
You get one well immediatly after the Hydra fight which means that you are guaranteed to get at least one well worth of benefits.
And those will or rather, used to last until the final fight against Theseus and/or Asterius.
And these temporary effects are dirt cheap.
One Lamias Heart costs like what, 25?
MS goes for 10, Cast damage and ammo should be 30 to 40.
pastel jolt
@autumn tapir the hourglass increases the room counter on well of charon items
wheat elbow
You can easily get 5 boons worth of powerups thanks to the hour glass in Elysium
rocky mica
Yea but how many are usefull from that. No reason to grab all.
wheat elbow
@pastel jolt Your name just reminded me that we might actually end up seeing Prometheus one day.
And his bird that feasts on him.
elfin pulsar
30% cast damage is pretty nice
wheat elbow
And you can get it twice.
rocky mica
Only if specced.
wheat elbow
Had it once with the Dionysus Duo Boon.
hard holly
Prometheus? Id be surprised if we did
elfin pulsar
i dont even think you need a cast build for it to be good, just an epic cast
stuff like zeus and athena cast hit pretty hard
autumn tapir
it's hilarious until you spend forever trying to kill super elite soul catchers
elfin pulsar
i do think that the hourglass scales poorly with heat
pretty awful with 100% price increase
pastel jolt
kiss of styx being 250g now is a big 🇫
wheat elbow
It really isn't given how they also increased the health regained by 150%
pastel sentinel
its 250 w/o inconvenience fee?
errant narwhal
DD's restore much more health now tho
pastel jolt
yeah, it's 250
pastel sentinel
oof
errant narwhal
theyre overall more valuable
rocky mica
Yea but maybe more along 200.
errant narwhal
but you get more money now as well
wheat elbow
Ad you can still get a lot of freebies from Athena and Patrocles
errant narwhal
i think the room rewards used to be 75? theyre now 100 obol
pastel sentinel
filthy riches w/ some chaos boons incoming
you can get two shops in Elysium, right?
toxic acorn
Yeah I've gotten both the megagorg and the soul catcher. It's not that bad because neither of them really do anything but it's just irritating
pastel jolt
he just flooded me with chariots when i fought him
wheat elbow
@errant narwhal They are? Did not notice that
toxic acorn
They're not even the hardest summon, id give that to the elysium guys and maybe the superelite witches (if they had more health)
hard holly
Sure theyre more valuable but
250 for a kiss of styx is still big oof
Thats more than a hammer
Kiss of Styx is good, but not hammer-level good
toxic acorn
They're not difficult, i want to stress that they're not the hardest thing to fight
They just have a buttload of health
And it's not really fun
somber epoch
im just surprised bc it didnt happen in my fight
hard holly
I only got the Elysium weapon dudes
So I thought they were just Hades's personal goonsquad
errant narwhal
i havent played the update, but you can see on the dev stream
toxic acorn
The point is he can summon anything
hard holly
So it was you posting the rat meme on the livestream, Alma
errant narwhal
duh, im alma there as well :P
somber epoch
but can he summon why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?
errant narwhal
and i am a rat
pastel jolt
we're the rats
somber epoch
I only got some bloodless in my fight
hard holly
Hell
errant narwhal
we stalk at night, we prey at night, were the rats
errant narwhal
technically, the final boss IS a rat who makes all of the rules
errant narwhal
is he not
errant narwhal
youre right. im sorry rats
somber epoch
He still cares about Persephone
wheat elbow
@somber epoch Makes sense. It was Persephone who ran off, not the other way around.
errant narwhal
consider that maybe she ran off because he kidnapped her and hes such an unpleasant person to be around
hard holly
The fact that the message he asked Zag to give her was not about him at all
turbid needle
Explosive Fire is very very good in the temple
hard holly
Makes him seem like a little less of a jerk
autumn tapir
Hades, final boss room
"Hey, why is this room empty?"
thump
thump
THUMP
"OHHHH YEAHHHH"
wheat elbow
@errant narwhal Remember the note though. There wasn't much of disdain in there.
errant narwhal
shrug
hard holly
Yeah honestly I dont think Persephone ran away because he was unpleasant to be around
errant narwhal
it doesnt make him any more of a good person
hard holly
In fact, I dont think he was before she did
I vaguely recall a couple lines that reference that he changed when that happened
errant narwhal
if hes taking out his anger at persephone by being awful to everyone else
somber epoch
He's not mad at her
hard holly
I dont think he is angry at persephone honestly
wheat elbow
He isn't even letting out his anger on everyone else.
somber epoch
If he's mad at anyone, he's mad at himself
wheat elbow
Apparently, the people who work for him seem okay with that.
hard holly
Mad at himself and mad at the world
wheat elbow
He is just a regular CEO of a big company
errant narwhal
are they? dusa is constantly scared of being fired
autumn tapir
He seems angrier at the Olympians than Persephone, and even that is more of a family that he has drifted away from than actual dislike
wheat elbow
Meg is not happy about having to stop Zagreus
hard holly
I think thats more Dusas personality
autumn tapir
Dusa is a workaholic
hard holly
Rather than a legitimate worry
somber epoch
Dusa is constantly scared of everything
wheat elbow
she did not mind having her way with Sysiphus
hard holly
Yeah
errant narwhal
hes awful to meg, hes awful to zag, is that not enough
rocky mica
As she should. Do your job well or get punished!
hard holly
She gets startled when Zag says hello
somber epoch
But I see what you mean, alma
autumn tapir
Nyx is terrible to Dusa
hard holly
Oh he still isnt a good person
wheat elbow
Oh yeah, Nyx is loading Dusa with work.
rocky mica
Neither is dusa. ;p
hard holly
But I can see him getting character progression already
hard holly
At the end hell probably be a jerk you can at least understand
somber epoch
He at least can crack wise from time to time
errant narwhal
anyway, i better peace out from this discussion for my own good now ✌
hard holly
Who maybe tries to be less of a jerk
hard holly
Uh, no?
wheat elbow
You guys think in black and white too much.