He's a special encounter like Sysiphus.
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
You should almost always go every time. Extra Death Defiance, huge damage boost on the right builds, or big heals, usually running out around or after the Heroes fight.
gaunt pond
I dread to think what will happen when the next biome drops. I barely had anything left after Feetsius and Cow.
graceful bough
@wheat elbow I usually avoid him because there's usually another door with something better.
wheat elbow
Rarely the case for me.
Usually, there is a room with money or health along with him
stable oyster
Hi
robust garden
hi
uncut haven
hi
stable oyster
Let us resume
uncut haven
where were we?
robust garden
uh
uncut haven
what is the best base attack in your opinion?
robust garden
does shield even have a bast attack
robust garden
yea that was cool
stable oyster
I like Artemis and Athena
jaunty pewter
what is happening
uncut haven
ill have to mess with those
stable oyster
Hostile takeover
graceful bough
Artemis has the best ult in my experience.
robust garden
i don't like it
stable oyster
^
robust garden
cuz it says it does more dmg at long range
uncut haven
I really like poseiden's
rugged apex
artemis's wrath is probably strictly the strongest
uncut haven
i see I will try it
rugged apex
if you manage to use it at the right range which is way, way harder than it looks
stable oyster
Athena is good too
graceful bough
Ugh, you know what's bad, underwhelming, disappointing, and bad?
jaunty pewter
i lile aphordites because it is cool looking :)
pastel jolt
i like athena's wrath because i like being able to go "nope, i don't have to dodge for a few seconds"
graceful bough
The spear upgrade that gives it more range.
It's so underwhelming and disappointing.
And bad.
uncut haven
yus and 30% more damage at range
jaunty pewter
i like the bouncy spear thats fun
graceful bough
The 30% is so underwhelming.
rugged apex
honestly I wish athena's wrath was ares's - it just doesn't feel, uh, like athena?
hoary palm
The adamant rail patch made gun viable
uncut haven
its bot aweful
graceful bough
Compared to all of the other hammer options
rugged apex
it's an all-in sort of thing
robust garden
what's bouncy spear
jaunty pewter
bouncy upgrade for the spear
uncut haven
when you use special for the spear it bounces 7 times
jaunty pewter
yeah but. faster
graceful bough
I tried that a long time ago and didn't like it.
jaunty pewter
thats fair
graceful bough
Maybe they buffed it in the updates since then.
jaunty pewter
you lose the piercing usefulness
but its kinda fun to look at and play u just gotta have good enough boons on special
jaunty pewter
i did this morning
robust garden
how is it
uncut haven
what is up with these runs where im getting 0 options for boons?
jaunty pewter
thats a thing that can happen?
pastel jolt
i'm going to go out on a limb and guess it's hyperbole
jaunty pewter
i did a run earlier where for some reason i only got zeus boons until asphodel
wild rng
robust garden
zeus boons good as hecc tho
uncut haven
maybe its heat thing and i didnt read properly
pastel jolt
i think people do themselves a serious disservice in this game by not trying out the options available to them and sticking to the same things over and over
takku, if you take the "tenebrous veil" option on the pact, it will remove either one or two boon choices whenever you get one
uncut haven
I mean im almost at asphodel and only have had the option to get one boon total... you might be right though
pastel jolt
unless you mean you've just gotten bad rng and you're not being offered boons in general, which can happen
jaunty pewter
thats my guess
uncut haven
yes that
jaunty pewter
which god has yalls favorite boons
robust garden
zeus artemis
hoary palm
im a big fan or dionysus
jaunty pewter
but aphrodite is nice too because of the little heart sparkles when u dodge/attack/whatever
hoary palm
yeah
graceful bough
UGH
hoary palm
Visually i think athena is my favorite
jaunty pewter
the color contrast on athena is <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
graceful bough
WHY MUST I BE ASKED TO CHOOSE
hoary palm
idk dude
pastel jolt
twin shot
hoary palm
Are you using the Super Gun
jaunty pewter
twin shot more arrow more fun
robust garden
perfect shot
hoary palm
Oh wait no thats the bow
graceful bough
I do love twin shot
pastel jolt
no they're not
graceful bough
ish
robust garden
if you power shot you do double damage
graceful bough
I think twin shot is technically better
robust garden
it's basically same thing
hoary palm
im a fan of power shot
pastel jolt
twin shot counts as two shots
graceful bough
if you miss the power shot you still deal twice as much damage
pastel jolt
that, also
hoary palm
lmao just dont miss the power shot
robust garden
yea but i never miss
pastel jolt
yeah, because everyone is 100% perfect on every shot, right?
jaunty pewter
guess ya never miss huh
hoary palm
several people are typing
graceful bough
I rarely miss but it'll probably happen every once in a while
robust garden
just don't miss power shot 4Head
graceful bough
so in that case take the "just in case" one
also twin shot is just... so much fun
makes you feel so powerful
jaunty pewter
what
pastel jolt
the range reduction on twin shot doesn't bother me because i'm usually up close anyway
jaunty pewter
oh i made a tupo
hoary palm
I think bow is actually my least favorite weapon in the game
pastel jolt
yyyyyeah
hoary palm
you mistyped twin shot lol
graceful bough
oh yes twin shot is better with my crits
jaunty pewter
i was chanting twin shot
graceful bough
hecka yeah
robust garden
dude why are i and o next to eachother
graceful bough
@hoary palm ugh the bow is so good
graceful bough
I remember when the game launched it was by far the worst.
robust garden
just cuz of that
hoary palm
i know but i dont like it that much
graceful bough
But it's gotten so good.
pastel jolt
the really nice thing about twin shot is that, since you're actually firing two arrows, with enough damage you can oneshot armored things if they're fairly weak
lmao remember when the bow didn't pierce enemies?
hoary palm
i prefer the Super Gun
graceful bough
And it was soooo slow
Twin shot was the best choice. I'm destroying everything.
Especially with my crits from Artemis.
graceful bough
I hope I get power shot in Elysium for max destruction.
pastel jolt
i've been a bow main since the game launched and it is delightful to play
graceful bough
Hey it was already one of my favorite upgrades across all weapons.
stable oyster
Xagyph is cool
robust garden
Xagyph
pastel jolt
man. every so often i go back and look at my first hydra kill, bc i recorded it, and i'm just, like........ the game has changed so much
exagryph, you mean?
hoary palm
Oh is that its official name? I thought it was just the Rail
stable oyster
I have no idea
uncut haven
wait yeah there is a twin shot for cast right?
hoary palm
Thats sick
robust garden
it's exagryph the adamant rail
pastel jolt
exagryph, the adamant rail
pastel jolt
i mean you're right it IS very cool
i just wish i could use the special on it more reliably 
graceful bough
Once again, I have made Tartarus my b—
hoary palm
Well done
graceful bough
takes a Chaos boon that removes a their of my health total
can't afford anything at the shop
Geez, I hope I didn't make a mistake and die from having too little health to this boss.
kills Alecto in 20 seconds
stable oyster
I still take chaos boons with the heat that takes away 2 choices
Like an absolute idiot
graceful bough
Oh yes, I take out armored brimstones in one hit.
pastel jolt
twin shot is GOOD for exactly this reason
robust garden
what did it give you
stable oyster
Some irrelevant inferior dash
graceful bough
oh, athena
stable oyster
Actually
graceful bough
@stable oyster exactly
stable oyster
Athena is kind of good
robust garden
what rarity hunter dash do you have
stable oyster
But
robust garden
nice
graceful bough
Goes with my build anyway.
robust garden
i think they changed it back
oh wait n
o
how does multiplicative vs additive wrok
workù
stable oyster
If you have 150% dmg and you get + 100% if it’s additive you have 250% and if it’s multiplication you have 300
robust garden
ohh
stable oyster
So stacking dmg buffs on the same thing is much much less powerful now
graceful bough
when I crit it's in the 400s, and sometimes I do that twice with every shot
thanks, twin shot
stable oyster
I have had a 10k crit one time
graceful bough
This just in, perfect shot is not available with the second hammer
I am the sad
so very very sad
I wanted to slay gods
robust garden
then what
graceful bough
and two to do with the special, which I haven't even been using this run
+100% to shields, or twice is many arrows
I'll go with the latter
stable oyster
There was a shield special upgrade that increased the dmg by 100% every time you hit something, and I had like 20 numbskulls lined up for the return
graceful bough
it also pierces, that one
robust garden
it penetrates theseus
graceful bough
OH
robust garden
piercing means it goes through shields
@graceful bough wait did u get piecring normal shot or special?
pastel jolt
bow doesn't have a hammer for normal pierce, only for special, iirc
robust garden
oh
unkempt pagoda
petition to make normal pierce part of the base package
robust garden
can we replace sniper shot with a piercing
graceful bough
@robust garden special; not nearly as good
robust garden
:/
graceful bough
side note, I just destroyed asterius
pastel jolt
i've always struggled to build around bow special
robust garden
same
pastel jolt
never did get the hang of using it as a shotgun
stable oyster
I tried it and it melted but I just kept getting hit
unkempt pagoda
zeus, basically
graceful bough
I just killed three archers in a single power shot O.o
Oh wow, new record.
Even better than the last time I got a run like this.
I'm looking at the Pact of Punishment for the first time in about ever and I can't seem to figure out what the explanation of Stifling Darkness means.
pastel jolt
it limits the amount of darkness you can put into things on the mirror
the first rank caps it at 2750
then it lowers the limit by a further 250 with each rank
graceful bough
Some of these things are making me go, "No, why would they even have that as an option." lol
pastel jolt
at the maximum 10 ranks of stifling darkness, you can only spend 500 darkness in the mirror
graceful bough
The first two,
pastel jolt
it costs 30 heat for all 10 ranks
graceful bough
"Enemies deal more damage!"
Uh, nope.
"You heal less!"
Uh, nope.
I've discovered more and more recently that I just don't like manufactured difficulty in video games.
graceful bough
Don't know what that means.
robust garden
pierced butterfly
than keepsake
gives you more damage if you don't take damage during a room
graceful bough
"Shops are more expensive!"
Uh, nope.
robust garden
more expensive
graceful bough
sanks
pastel jolt
honestly stifling darkness isn't that bad, considering it's a decent chunk of heat and 500 darkness is still enough to get you your death defies and dash with 130 darkness left over to use on other things
graceful bough
I just don't know why people would want to make the existing game harder.
unkempt pagoda
they make it harder for the sake of making it harder
it's more of a challenge and some people like that
graceful bough
Making something harder for the sake of making something harder. A lot of games do that from the offset. They tend to not be good games.
unkempt pagoda
well like
pastel jolt
it's completely optional to do so in hades
unkempt pagoda
that's your opinion lmao
graceful bough
It is, yeah.
pastel jolt
some people like to challenge themselves, and for those people, the pact is there to add an extra layer to things
i personally find the game challenging enough without the pact and haven't really used it since elysium was added but i like that it's there for people who want it
stable oyster
200 heat is the biggest adrenaline rush I have ever had from a game
(Even if I only make it to asph)
Winning every run isn’t fun for me at least
The chance of losing makes the wins even more sweet
stable oyster
Valid
graceful bough
I guess I'm not saying it shouldn't be there; I'm just complaining that it is. So I should probably, like, stop. Oops. Sorry.
graceful bough
I get what Vlad's saying.
I hate the chariots that spawn.
They're harder to avoid than Asterius.
And have a ton of health.
And keep spawning.
stable oyster
Kill both bosses at the same time
robust garden
i did that once
graceful bough
Had this discussion a few days ago.
robust garden
the only time i once shot both theseus and asterius was with an epic zeus wrath
graceful bough
Sure you can take them both out at once—and I've done it multiple times—but you shouldn't be punished for taking out one before the other.
robust garden
he doesn't do that when you kill him first?
stable oyster
Why shouldn’t you be rewarded for having a strategy going into the fight
graceful bough
How is that a strategy, versus strategically taking one out so the other is easier?
stable oyster
Glad he does but if you focus him he dies quicker and had less time
It’s a choice for the player
graceful bough
It should be, yeah.
stable oyster
It is
graceful bough
And one that doesn't punish them one way or the other.
stable oyster
You get punished and rewarded for each strat
You find chariots hard to avoid, do you try to kill them at the same time. I can’t dodge thesis so I focus him
So*
graceful bough
It's hard to kill them at the same time because they keep spawning.
There's never a point when they're not running you down.
graceful bough
You just said the chariots.
stable oyster
Yea it was poorly worded
robust garden
hide behind the pillars
graceful bough
There's no worse feeling than being 100% sure there's a obstacle between you and then getting hit anyway.
stable oyster
Yea that’s my point, because you have trouble with a different part of the fight than me, so you chose to approach the fight differently than I do, no way is being punished or rewarded overall, they are just better for different players
One of the reasons I like double boss fights that power up the other half when their partner falls
Lots of player choice
graceful bough
I would much prefer to focus on one and then take out the other.
Just more my style.
But the game punishes me for how I'd want to play, so I do it another.
pastel jolt
i usually focus down asterius and then take on theseus
graceful bough
Well, I've gotten good enough that nowadays I just do whatever works for the run.
Without a plan.
stable oyster
Grab the bull by the horns
graceful bough
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
pastel jolt
bc funnily enough i don't.... usually have issues dodging theseus?
stable oyster
Tell me how pls lol
unkempt pagoda
dash when the circle gets red, basically
pastel jolt
also, if he's on one side of the room and you're on the other, it won't reach you
unkempt pagoda
try to dash diagonal to him, instead of towards him
afterwards he lets his shield down so go in for the attack
stable oyster
I don’t think you understand! Dashing anywhere other than straight in is cowardice
I’ll try it thanks
If I ever beat hydra
What is the most underrated boon?
Go
robust garden
ares dash
graceful bough
@stable oyster Here's one more bit of advice that I only tested on a recent run.
His spear does not pierce your shield.
stable oyster
Yea he took the wrong hammer upgrade
graceful bough
Hahaha
stable oyster
I’m fine with everything other than the wrath
graceful bough
One year after release: Theseus expansion.
One biome. You play as Theseus.
You fight other warriors in Elysium, and end with the fight against Zagreus.
pastel jolt
i just want theseus to feel the same crushign disappointment i do when i hoped for a specific hammer and don't get it
atomic panther
Theseus: Gods, hear me!
Theseus: ....
Theseus: ... Do I get a reroll?
pastel jolt
@stable oyster listen, die% is a masterpiece and i'm so glad that category exists even as a joke
stable oyster
Oh I 100% agree
graceful bough
I don't know what you're referring to.
stable oyster
Most advanced meta game
atomic panther
What's die%
robust garden
just go
lost rose
Isnt the record like 6 seconds
robust garden
without death defies
stable oyster
4
pastel jolt
it's 2s in ingame time isn't it?
stable oyster
Idk that are super good
robust garden
????????????
pastel jolt
stable oyster
See, rapidly evolving meta
unkempt pagoda
i feel like this could be faster
trim ingot
is it more optimal to try to die on the very first room, or go to the next room and die faster? 🤔
would taking a chaos gate on the first room help you die faster
trim ingot
oh right yeah if you have heat
trim ingot
i long for seeded runs
stable oyster
Same
trim ingot
yeah see heatless die% means you might not want to sit around while a brimstone plinks away your health 1 at a time
graceful bough
@stable oyster No, Heartless
stable oyster
I’m in the chat
stable oyster
We need a Hypnos comment if you die in under 5 sec that references die%
“Wow zag, that was... uh, really fast. Hey, you, uh, goin for a new record or somthin “
graceful bough
I can't decide if I hate Hypnos and never want to see him again
or if I want them to double his interactions
coarse hare
Wow the new(ish) multi-skewer is great! Especially paired with epic Ares special. You can even get vicious skewer on top of that.
Perfect for big crowds of less tanky enemies. Did it on 25 heat (still wimpy I know) and it didn't feel like a heat run at all
Still a bit weird that it lands in front of the enemy when there's just one so you don't get the backstab though
woven summit
oh guys i found an awesome build
use zeus, ares, athena and aphrodite's revenge boons
just stand there and keep being hit by the boss
and they made themselves die less than 1 min
LOL
bright raven
Is there an explanation of how damage % bonus stacks? Like boon, priveleged, backstab, jerky, etc
errant narwhal
does anyone have a good heat setup for 60 heat?
woven summit
i think it's addictive for i backstab a foe with my cast on it, it'll take plus 100% damage (= 50%+50% instead of 1.5 times 1.5
idk quite clearly
turbid needle
They changed universal damage ups like that to be additive.
bright raven
ok, so stuff like jerky for +20% damage is kind of marginal then right?
turbid needle
Pretty, yeah.
bright raven
What about boons that cause enemies to take more damage, like the aphrodite +damage again weak status boon?
is that multiplicative?
I guess that's part of what makes crit damage so great, it multiplies all your other +damage.
kind cloud
Did Athena's Special get nerfed? (I know instant nova is no longer available.)
I've beaten Minotaur and Theseus many times without ever using up a death defiance. Now I'm losing 1 to 2 per battle.
errant narwhal
sorry to interrupt the convo but I just started 60 heat going for hunting blades again with ares’ keepsake and I already got artemis without needing to wait for aspho
I’m so happy
lost rose
👏
errant narwhal
I got to the hydra but I have 1 death defiance and not a whole lot of damage so i don’t think this is the one djbfjfh
idk the ideal builds for high heat
whole osprey
do you keep lambent plumes bonusses if you switch it out during the run?
turbid needle
No.
whole osprey
figured :/ thanks
turbid needle
have people discussed how boring the levels where Hades brings in a bunch of enemies and you're supposed to survive for 30 secs is for shield users? sorry for the messy text
because sometimes I can just camp in a corner charging my bull rush
graceful bough
Hey, uh, don't take a Chaos boon that doesn't allow you to dash just before visiting Magaera.
Especially when you're starting the battle with half health.
Don't do that.
Wow
That Chaos boon was the absolute, brutal death of me.
graceful bough
Ugh
You ever get a run where you equipment is just so bad you want to quit in the middle of it?
gaunt pond
Hell yeah dude. All the time
stable oyster
My friend managed to make it to the Minotaur miniboss with only 3 boons and a bad hammer upgrade
The run was like 50 min long and he didn’t even finish it
graceful bough
Hey, I actually killed both Theseus and Asterius with the same attack.
Electric Shot / Rapid Cast
I've killed them around the same time before, but never like that.
placid violet
Oooh, neat!
wheat elbow
I sometimes kill them very close to one another, but usually, Theseus goes down first.
Because I focus him like crazy
pastel jolt
@teal helm about your feedback re: the number and combination of hydra heads - that's already a thing
there are 4 combinations of heads you can get in each heads phase (5 in the third one)
so it's not completely random
teal helm
Well, the "make the arena full of damage-dealing obstacles" option is annoying as hell. Sorry, Hades.
pastel jolt
then don't stand in the lava puddles?
wheat elbow
I'd like there to be more destroyable obstacles in the game.
Especially in boss rooms
split nexus
Does the dash attack from the blades count as a thrust or is it only the third attack in the chain?
rugged apex
only the third attack.
split nexus
thanks
unkempt pagoda
@teal helm there is an audio cue,for bull horn, they call out to each other. also theseus starts walking towards asterius
wheat elbow
I just read "dash attack from the blades" and thought of Ares Blade Rift Dash
would have taken me a while to realize that he was talking about the Sword 😄
next ether
Has anyone even come close to beating a 120 Heat run? I've been trying like crazy but I can't make it past hydra most of the time.
pastel jolt
probably
i mean people have definitely done it but i don't know if someone's done it on the current update
unkempt pagoda
there was a successful 147 heat run last update
tepid sentinel
i was close as in last boss like 4-5 times i think been grinding still unsuccessful lmao
also quick q about poising if yall know if my attack and q both have poising which poising dmg is applied more the attack or q
is it like the one that hits more
or the most recent hit that determines what poising dmg is done just was curios lul
tepid sentinel
nothing worse then getting hit in Erebus because of fps drop when mobs spawn rip :/
toxic acorn
to my knowledge (and this could be wrong) whatever poison effect hits an enemy first is the damage number all of the poison will use
if your dash does 3 poison and your attack does 8, and you dash into them and then attack, that's going to be 3 x 2 poison, but if you hit then dash away, that's 8 x 2
i could be wrong and both examples might be 11
wheat elbow
@next ether I uploaded a video were I died on the last fight against Theseus and Asterius on 120 heat.
I only lost that run because of one ridiculous duo boon room where Ares cost me dearly
rocky sage
Am I the only one that focuses down asterius first ??
wheat elbow
I mean, I can see why you would
But the thing is that Thesseus does whatever he wants while Asterius rushes you down
Focusing Thesseus usually means that Asterius will take a lot of the damage you deal to Thesseus as well. That is the rationale with which I explain my pattern there.
On another note, I tried beating the game with as little olympian aid as possible.
Had two runs, one was a loss, sadly. First I made it to Elysium with only 2 god boons (a bunch of chaos and 2 hammers of course) and one where it ended up being four.
I believe that just one boon could be possible
tepid sentinel
finally beat it on 120 heat
werf
imo if u focus theseus (if u actually can) and kill him first its an ez clap part 2 of the fight
brazen sphinx
has anyone talked to Hades 999 times yet?
wheat elbow
Not sure.
Probably not.
That would mean having done 1000 escape attempts and having spoken to him each and every time
analog sail
The dialog is in the wiki, so someone probably has
lost rose
we, uh, just went into the file for that 😂
analog sail
Oh you pesky dataminers and your logic
Considering it took me about 3 months to reach 100 runs, I would assume someone will do it around three months after the game launches
supple echo
You can't gift a god ambrosia when you see their boon in Charon's shop?
Just noticed this, after wanting to gift Zeus for a while, but not getting his boons
pastel jolt
you cannot!
supple echo
drat
That is unfortunate
Thank you for the rapid reply
lord of speed
Oh, while you are here - just a quick question
What do the gas plumes in Asphodel do?
I don't notice myself losing health, but Zagreus has a recorded coughing sound
So I imagine they are of some detriment
turbid needle
Blocks visibility.
There's a fullscreen smoke effect that's a little more subtle but still obscures enemies on the screen.
supple echo
Thanks
turbid needle
NP.
north cloak
The more that I play, the more i think that basic attacks being able to block/destroy enemy projectiles breaks the game
pastel jolt
really? there's still plenty of unbreakable projectiles
and only one weapon can block, so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
north cloak
no, like, If i'm fighting tisthiphone (spelling lol), I can spam basic attack from spear during her projectile attacks and not get hit at all
i can use sword's special to break projectiles in the same vein as well
it feels like it should be a upgrade to the weapons, rather than a built in feature
On a different note though, It'd be nice if there was some kind of indicator about where an enemy is off screen. Sometimes Poseidon's knockback boons send enemies flying off the screen and it's somewhat annoying to have to try to figure out which way they went.
turbid needle
No more unannounced offscreen Brimstones? Yes, please.
wheat elbow
Much more because off-screen brimstones hitting you with their bullshark lasers offscreen is the worst
Baby you know it!
turbid needle
BROTHA
wheat elbow
But also because I loathe the rooms where you actually have to SEARCH for the enemies because they are in the most distant corner of a room and ain't moving until you find them
Those rooms are just the worst
turbid needle
Flying enemies congregating over lava is really really really infuriating.
fossil moat
legit just had the most op run ever (sure no heat run, but still)
shield w/ double attack and aoe dash attack for hammer upgrades, then artemis attack, then ended up going down the artemis/ares duo boon route, w/ both artemis and ares legendaries to boot
grinning the whole way through
your base attack by that point would be doing +200% damage (dash attacking), then add the crit chance too for +600%
turbid needle
:0
proud storm
wrong channel ignore me
pastel jolt
@blissful sedge just to check - you have been taking the right prerequisites, yeah? i can take all the artemis boons i like but if i never get clean kill or hidebreaker i'm not going to get her legendary
rugged apex
if you get merciful end, deadly reversal, and hunting blades in the same run, I think you are legally required to clown on theseus and asterius.
green birch
Clown on em boys
grand patrol
NICEEE
cold oriole
im pretty bad at bullet hell type dodging so
big achievement for me XD
(pretty is code for horribly)
jade estuary
unkempt pagoda
spread fire is great for dio
rugged apex
I enjoy invigorating blast myself.
turbid needle
Heavy Slug and Triple Bomb are probably tied for best upgrades, with Invigorating Blast in third if you really know how to use it.
cold oriole
what happens if you get triple bomb and 5x spread bomb the same run
nuclear apocalypse?
turbid needle
Spread Fire and Triple Bomb don't interact.
turbid needle
It turns your regular fire into a shotgun.
cold oriole
no
i mean
the one
that makes your bomb
shoot out as a spread of 5 bombs
or was that removed?
turbid needle
There's a Hammer upgrade for that?
rugged apex
removed
turbid needle
Anyway, Nuclear Apocalypse is Heroic Deadly Strike with Triple Bomb.
And like, sixteen Chaos Flourish Boons and Poms.
cold oriole
lol
turbid needle
Hit the damage cap, make it look we're playing as Than.
cold oriole
wonder how hard thatd be to do
my friend got a build that was oneshotting hydra armor
with bombs
turbid needle
Oh, wow.
turbid needle
Did they get a level 10 boon or something?
I get no Infinity Chamber with Heavy Slug and Spread Fire, but why not with Flurry Fire? Too much DPS?
I'd like to see Flurry Fire's take on Heavy Slug and Spread Fire, while we're at it.
I was hoping to get a slightly longer-ranged shotgun with maybe 8 or 9 shots.
Does the Rail have an end-point on its range? Or do rounds continue until out-of-bounds or they hit an object?
rugged apex
tbh I think it's to reduce the possible boon pool for rail
turbid needle
That makes sense.
rugged apex
max range on the bomb is really big, rail shots just end at a predetermined point
hollow minnow
i just got to Elysium on 68 Heat, and MAXIMUM WHIPPED FRENZY!!!!!!!! I'm so proud of myself!!!!!!!!!! ahhhh!!!!! Has anyone else done Whipped Frenzy??? I'm shocked I lasted that long!!!!
unkempt pagoda
woah congrats!
i would never in a million years do max whipped, how did you do that
tough echo
Lots of Hermes.
safe mesa
i just had a build where i had athena boons on my attack, dash, and special
and for some reason i touched a gorgon stone and it did 60 damage
like i thought i was doing good against asterius until that happened
i can't tell if that was a bug or not
turbid needle
I'm honestly shocked you didn't drop Heat to 60 since you have WF maxed out. Outstanding, dawg.
hollow minnow
@tough echo actually, I only had 1 Hermes--the AWESOME Passing Through--but I only used it towards the end, so I didn't even have it for the full time!
other than that, it was other gods!
errant narwhal
yeah passing through is amazing
it also slows down projectiles, so the burn flingers were fun to fight with it
I.... just hope it’s intentional. lol
pastel jolt
the only enemy i don't like using passing through on is the wave bois
always end up taking a load of damage from their projectiles
lost rose
skullcrushers are a nightmare with passing through 😭
vale sphinx
I don’t really understand how passing through and relative (something) work together? Like, passing through seems to give a more significant slow % and until I took relative (something) out of curiosity, it worked on dashes as well, but with relative (something) enemies now get a lower slow % on dashes, seems weird to have 2 boons be so identical
Relative speed I think, the legendary one
supple echo
This is very specific feedback, but I feel like that's the point of this Discord - When using the Shield of Chaos, and having Aphrodite's weakening boon on it's special attack, the returning shield looks like the Wave-Maker projectile
So, I sometimes dodge my own returning shield in combat, not noticing
Which can lead to dodging into something else
supple echo
It actually looks like many of the projectiles - especially when you get to the third area
wheat elbow
You never lived life to the fullest unless you have dealt 500 damage with Aphrodites cast
turbid needle
Is that without crits?
wheat elbow
Good question, I actually forgot.
I need to check the video asgain myself, but I am very sure it was without crits
It was a cast only run that I just published on youtube
@turbid needle Checked the fight against the bosses, looked like it was without crits
557 was the highest damage I saw against Asterius
wheat elbow
It was a gold experience, let me tell you.
hollow minnow
i still have trouble fighting them!!! Only beat them twice 😭
hollow minnow
Passing Through works with projectiles, too?! NO WAY THAT'S AWESOME
WOOOOOW
I love Dionysus!!!!
wheat elbow
So do I, but Aphrodite was the star of that show.
I do have a one or two Dionysus/Zeus videos though, pretty sure.
hollow minnow
omgggggggg!!!!!!! I just beat the Minotaur with MAXED WHIPPED FRENZY and 5 DD's and I ended with all my DD's, except only FOUR health left!!!! wow!!!! ahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wheat elbow
That's amazing, man. Congratulations
nocturne yacht
well done
i havent even come to elysium yet
i beat the bone hydra a couple of times but elysium wasnt released yet 
turbid needle
Only took me 249 attempts, but I finally no-hit the Fury fight. It was only Tisiphone, though.
blissful sedge
Wait, only Tisiphone? She's the one I struggle with the most
turbid needle
She has the easiest patterns to read.
If she is not running directly towards you, circle strafe her until she telegraphs an attack. It won't be her 3-hit dash. That she only does if she's running straight at you, so to dodge it just run towards her to bait the attack and then dash backwards.
blissful sedge
Huh. Good to know
wheat elbow
Very good to know.
robust garden
@potent stag since you're struggling with theseus did you you that he turns his back after he chucks a spear at you? you can use that time to shoot him or dash into him to bait his melee attack and shoot him in the back
turbid needle
So I'm seeing the power of shotgun Coronacht with a Heroic 99% damage up Deadly Flourish
turbid needle
Artemis, crit chance.
unkempt pagoda
i should do a zeus legendary run again
the last time i had it, it decimated everything
also lagged the game out like hell but
beauty hurts 😌
turbid needle
Got that on a Piercing Fire Rail run. You wanna talk about chasing the dragon...
safe mesa
i got zeus' legendary paired with the dio/zeus duo boon
hooo boy i was unstoppable in the fog
wheat elbow
Should get Dionysus Duo Boon on top of it
And/or boons that just increase damage of your casts because those will also increase the damage of the lightning effect
uncut haven
yo never have to reload? yes pls.
wheat elbow
If never needing to reload would be baseline....oooof
turbid needle
I finally mapped reload to a mouse thumb button.
wicked parrot
So has anyone here cleared 120 heat yet?
oblique karma
sniper shot for coertheas seems kind of niche
if you hit them in the exact spot you get 300% damage, but that is really rare
rocky sage
How to deal with soul catchers ??
vale sphinx
Yeah they confuse me too, my idea has been to kill everyone else and then just spam casts until it’s dead
teal helm
It's figuring out just when, exactly, those butterflies are actually making contact that confuses me the most
vale sphinx
Can you even evade them or destroy like projectiles?
analog sail
Have a revenge boon and just keep attacking them
vale sphinx
They seem like an inescapable butterfly tentacle of doom
analog sail
You can use AoEs to clear them but it's mostly impossible with some weapons. You really just need to clear everything else then tank them imo
analog sail
If you've managed to effectively use pierced butterfly in Elysium you're already a god
I don't know how you avoid getting hit when three spearmen are on the field
vale sphinx
To me pierced butterfly is basically however many encounters I manage to perfectly finish in Tartarus anyway lolol
pastel jolt
personally i've yet to figure out how to deal with the exploding kittens without eating 10 damage every time
analog sail
Dash through cover at the last second, same as Astreus.
It's really finicky, same as Astreus
plucky oxide
Find a corner and make them clip it as they path to you. Will often require more than one attempt.
proud storm
theyre babies theyre learning how to drive
tiny rune
Finally got a new pr, 23 min wiho.
turbid needle
Okay, no-hit both a Dionysus Trial and Tisiphone with Flurry Fire Blight Strike.
Already have Scintillating Feast, but I was just regular Cast for the Trial. Maybe Dionysus doesn't stink as much as I thought. Wish he worked with more weapons, though (no, really, full auto Flurry Blade and Rapid Shot, please).
icy edge
I like passive boons - stuff like urge to kill or bronze skin or that poseidon thing that makes loot lootier
wheat elbow
Dionysus is an aquired taste.
It needs a man of culture to appreciate what he has to offer
supple echo
Poseidon Boons seem VERY good against floor enemies, but very bad against bosses
Since bosses (to my knowledge) can't be knocked away or slammed into walls
At least with the Meg fight, you'll have additional enemies to launch, which may let you get the wave effect to do damage to her, but it's minimal at best
supple echo
@white finch followup to your note in Feedback about the same-ness of runs. I feel like one of the few things that make a sizeable difference is how much you focus on boons that don't directly damage enemies, like the athena protection boons or getting a lot of charmed/weakened enemies with aphrodite boons, because using those means you don't need a lot of damage/you are bought some time
There's a sizeable difference in approach that I notice because those boons give you more in-combat time
robust garden
i feel like the athena boons aren't that good
supple echo
Possibly not a good thing, but still
robust garden
cuz you have to get hit
supple echo
Yeah....
robust garden
for them to work
supple echo
The death defiance boons seem very useful
Might become less useful as they add more zones
When one death defiance gain becomes less and less of a big deal
robust garden
yeah the death defiance ones are good
but like
the ones that do stuff when you get hit
imo those are the worst boons
lost rose
Idk, if you're bad at not getting hit, or you're a newer player they can be pretty useful
Also Athena's deflect after hit can be useful in Elysium with like the shield spinny boys
supple echo
Yeah, like having a lot of charmed enemies gave me some time to learn all of the enemy patterns
lost rose
Or with theseus and asterius
In the same way that the broken spearpoint is useful for giving you breathing space and keeping enemies from ganging up on you with attacks, but now with bonus added deflect
supple echo
Hmm
Seems like then where's the place for her boons that give you deflect on attack /cast
Because you'd have to be thinking about it/they aren't passive
lost rose
Deflect works on them tho so you can just carve through those clouds with an athena boon
finite grail
Deflecting those hydra projectiles is well worth it too
supple echo
Are there golden pots in Elysium? don't remember having run into any.
supple echo
ah
kind cloud
@robust garden
I strongly disagree. Athena's boon on Stygian Blade's Special i is one of the easiest ways to dispatch enemies in this game.
Having her deflect ability on dash and special makes a player nearly invincible.
plucky oxide
Yeah Athena deflect on certain abilities is really really powerful. Sword Special Deflect is cream of the crop.
Plus its radial, so any projectile in the radius gets reflected.
median ridge
deflect abilities are a great way to prevent getting hit in the first place. they don't only come into effect when getting hit
pastel jolt
@wicked patrol - about your feedback, wouldn’t that defat the point of there being a “give up” option?
trim ingot
also give up starts the next run with the same seed so you'll get the same boons and upgrades
it's like starting over on your current run instead of dying and doing a new run with different rng
teal helm
@unkempt pagoda after a few more runs, I seriously don't hear any pre-Bull-Horn alert. They kind of signal to each other, but with the size of the arena, a visual cue isn't very useful.
robust garden
@kind cloud i meant athena deflect and invul when you get hit.
I know her regular boons are really good
stable oyster
But if you never get hit, you don’t need to worry about getting good boons
Bc you already won
wicked patrol
@pastel jolt how so? I kind of expected it to behave as if I died.
The same seed. That’s interesting. So I couldn’t give up and start fresh if I wasn’t feeling that particular run
pastel jolt
but it directly tells you when you select give up that it returns you to the house as if you’d not started the run
you want rewards, you either finish the run or fail and die
it’d be severely broken if you could just nope out of a run and not have to see it through but still keep your progress
wicked patrol
Yeah I get that it tells you. That’s clear. I just figured it’s more convenient to save progress through a button than to stand in lava and wait a minute. In that sense a button or trap the end result would be the same. Severely broken? Probably not
Unless there’s an implication to the death count I’m not aware of yet
errant narwhal
you can definitely save progress without dying or giving up
after you clear a room (or before you’ve taken damage, iirc?) the button says “quit” and not “give up”
unless I’m misunderstanding
atomic panther
No, that's right
errant narwhal
no I meant misunderstanding what auh means by “saving progress”
atomic panther
Oh I see nvm me then
errant narwhal
I don’t think dying purposefully is too much of a hassle at all haha I also don’t see why that situation would come up very often unless you’re speedrunning
but that’s just me, different players different experiences
rich comet
is it just me or is it more or less impossible to win against thanatos when playing with a certain amount of heat and up?
especially if you make the enemies extra tanky
errant narwhal
possibly
unless you’re super good and have a super good boon loadout I guess
but losing isn’t that bad because you still get the original room reward and you still get to talk to him 
wicked patrol
Oh no wonder I saw both options at different times. I wasn’t clear about them
wheat elbow
Blade Rifts are super ridiculous, man
Artems Cast Boons + Ares Blade Rifts = 30 second Boss fights
green birch
Yes, they’re my favorite!
plucky oxide
Imagine fighting all three furies at the same time 🤔
rugged apex
I want it.
plucky oxide
Meg is just sighing with disgust over being with the two of them
Tisi is just shouting murder
Wild cackling from the side
shell finch
one fury for the middle of the first floor, two random for the exit from tartarus
twin skeleton is not impressive for a mid-level boss
plucky oxide
I'd say it's pretty impressive for someone just starting the game
shell finch
it's the only boss-like enemy which is completely a normal foe afterwards
unkempt pagoda
it’s also the first biome
shell finch
even medusa boss has some patterned attacks and stuff
plucky oxide
Soul-catcher is a normal enemy
shell finch
oh yeah, forgot about it
mostly because the spawning dudes around it's room are more dangerous enemies than tanky soulcatcher
plucky oxide
It's got win-conditions to the room, sure, but that's the third floor, and not the first half of the first zone of the game
shell finch
It doesn't have to be first floor though
imagine killing one fury at the end of the tartarus so the other two "catch up" to you mid-level 4
unkempt pagoda
do you really want to sic alecto on new players
rugged apex
I really just want to get beat up by all three furies at once
you know, like one does
shell finch
I would love to have double fury bossfight
it wouldn't affect the first three floors the way I suggest it
turbid needle
You're one sick puppie Joan and I like the way you think.
That being said, double Fury might be a decent 4th biome boss fight.
I would not want to fight them as a mid-boss.
shell finch
Mid-bosses can be skipped, right?
turbid needle
Not so much skipped as missed.
I've run into single exits into a mid-boss.
Usually on Tartarus, but a few times in Elysium.
Like, does any of us REALLY want to contend with Tisiphone charging us while Alecto is Permaraged?
shell finch
Well, I guess the main reason I wouldn't mind 2x furies is because I'm a snowflake and don't run heat
turbid needle
Hey, 99% of the time I'm heatless too.
shell finch
2 furies with any heat (that is not enemy amount) would obliterate me ten out of ten times
calm sable
if a new player hits biome 4 there is literally nothing wrong with setting multiple furies on them
green birch
personally I don't care for it...
doom isn't meant to stack damage normally, but exagryph is best for stacking small amounts of damage
turbid needle
Honestly, if you don't have Merciful End, Curse of Pain and Agony are straight-up the worst Attack and Special Boons in the game.
Even if you get Heroic levels of damage with them, that timer is just killer.
Exagryph's normal fire is best with Dionysus or Zeus.
(or Artemis, but crits are top tier)
pastel jolt
heavy slug and artemis can be pretty sweet too
turbid needle
Heavy Slug is pretty insanely good.
shell finch
Heavy slug is great
plucky oxide
Ares is busted. If you're running a special build, taking Ares ares attack is a huge burst of dps. The opposite is also true. No major investment required for high damage.
turbid needle
I guess.
shell finch
I feel like Ares looses to Artemis 100% of the time
turbid needle
Really only if you've got a good AoE on your Curse.
shell finch
except, possibly, for cast effect
turbid needle
Like, Dashing Wallop I can totally agree.
calm sable
I'm hooked on Zeus + Exagryph right now
Zeus has such insane synergy with himself honestly
turbid needle
But if you're talking non-piercing Exagryph, or Coronacht, nah.
plucky oxide
Artemis requires you to continuously hit the enemy, and sometimes get lucky and get to stop hitting them sooner. Ares gives you the chance to hit the enemy once, and then do other things.
It's great in the ability you're not predominantly using
shell finch
Well, if you hit theenemy once, Artemis either does same damage, or more due to crit
calm sable
it's kinda thematic for the selfish king of the gods to work that way, a lot of deities are better as supplementary things to go alongside other boons (Aphrodite, Dionysus, obviously Hermes) but then there's Zeus where you either take Thunder Dash and leave it or you just 100% all in on what he's giving you the entire run
turbid needle
Nav Piercing Fire, Lightning Strike, Splitting Bolt.
plucky oxide
Plus it's half of a status boost, so it just makes Artemis even better :V
calm sable
It's so ridiculously fun hahaha
Piercing or the rapid fire hammer which gives you a few extra rounds
turbid needle
Por que no los dos?
turbid needle
I want a third hammer some day.
Piercing Fire, Infinity Chamber, Triple Bomb.
Oh, no, Dread Flight, Mirage Flight, Dashing Wallop.
With Swift Flourish to increase the speed of the Mirage Flight.
You click Special once, Dashing Wallop twice through the room to kill the first wave, and rinse and repeat.
calm sable
I think Shield might be the way to go for 120 heat runs
gotta try and clear that before the next update hits with Biome 4 because getting through the entire game on that much heat sounds nightmarish 
turbid needle
Better change the A/T boss fight reward to a super Boon.
Give you a big damage/survivability-up to prepare you for crazy shens like double Fury mid-boss.
placid silo
Double Fury?
turbid needle
We're theorycrafting.
Like the possibility of a mid-boss or boss fight in the 4th biome that's the surviving two Furies from your run. So if you kill Alecto in Tartarus, Megaera and Tisiphone show up in the 4th biome together.
calm sable
And assuming the two later Furies aren't changed numbers-wise, that should actually be balanced (if not somewhat easy) for a Biome 4 Zagreus build
shell finch
Yeah, sounds very neat, I hope SGG read it and give it a thought
Also, what if once you kill one of those furies, the second gets Hades Boon?
That would make for interesting opportunities to make something fun
Because we still haven't seen anything from the big bad dad himself yet
turbid needle
Just because I used a 10-cast Hunting Blades that ticked at 18 damage exclusively the Heroes fight doesn't mean it wasn't a Heart-Seeking Bow clear.
turbid needle
Rare Greatest Reflex for +2 Dashes or Epic Greater Haste for +40% movement speed?
I feel like Greatest Reflex is one of Hermes' strongest Boons.
turbid needle
Well, I don't have a Dash yet, but with the Rail I almost always have another dash to cancel the reload animation.
Anyway, tore Alecto a new one.
Rare Divine Strike critting off Hunter's Mark, plus Boiling Blood and Privileged Status? Fuggetaboutit.
vital canopy
Are dash attacks affected by "your attack does 50% more damage?"
or are they only affected by "your DASH attack does 50% more damage?"
unkempt pagoda
i know that attack boons also affect dash attacks, so i'm inclined to say yes
turbid needle
Boons that affect your Attack affect your Dash Attack, yes.
trim ingot
i got hunting blades and vicious cycle last run
rip in pieces theseus
and i didn't even find anything to increase my number of bloodstones
turbid needle
It gets really ugly by the time those Blade Rifts die.
trim ingot
heat-seeking roomba of death
turbid needle
Breaking News: World's Angriest Food Processor Sets New Record Breaking Down Entire Bovine.
trim ingot
oh and last time i got artemis dash and world splitter
but my dash attack was still a regular thrust?
turbid needle
Unfortunately, those actually don't interact at all.
trim ingot
is that intended
turbid needle
Yes.
trim ingot
rip
turbid needle
World Splitter is your "standing" attack.
trim ingot
i was excited for 120 damage chops
turbid needle
And Hunter Dash doesn't affect that at all.
But if you get Double Edge and Hunter Dash...
unkempt pagoda
ye a dash attack and an attack are still technically different things, so hammers that would affect one would not affect the other
fortunately, this doesn't extend to attack boons from gods
tough echo
Hermes legendary. Buff please.
cold oriole
oh my god shattershot builds
kind cloud
I used Athena's boon on special and dash on Stygian Blade to cheese through the game on a non-heat run.It didn't hurt that I also had Athena's Legendary (Divine Protection). If I had used Patroclus' keepsake (Broken Spearpoint) instead of Cereberus's keepsake (spiked collar), I would have taken almost no damage.
I can't upload the image directly to Discord because that option isn't available to me.
analog sail
You can't upload images directly in these chats, you have to post it online somewhere else and get the link.
Or you can post it to a bot or something and use the discord attachment link, that works too.
kind cloud
Thanks for the explanation.
I just completed another non-heat run with a new combination. I had Aphrodite's cast and Aphrodite + Ares combo. So I just spammed her cast (only had 3) and Ares' Doom did the rest. Cool synergy.
turbid needle
I think I'm close to figuring out the timing on the Rail's reload.
Well, guess it's time to do another run with it. Oh nooo.
turbid needle
Finally got a no-hitter Bone Hydra.
atomic panther
Nice!
turbid needle
Alright, on an 8 streak, highest and newest PB. I think I just saw Theseus' shield flash before he threw his spear solo. Gonna have to try to make it again to double check.
He's still only calling Bullhorn in the middle of the throw.
And he's still using it solo.
coarse hare
https://imgur.com/a/m5fO2U1 take that Thanatos
Not a super fast build but very safe and fun. +2 dash from Hermes, epic Zeus dash with increased area, jolted, Zeus legendary, and top that off with Ares shield special for that sweet sweet status curse and some extra damage
supple echo
94 obols on a trove! best yet.
cold oriole
I got a 95 trove yesterday, i was shocked
i genuinely think shattershot with the right perks is the fastest dps in the game rn
supple echo
I have been focusing on the shield, because the other weapons specials - stopping in place without being protected - have me vulnerable to other attacks
Any advice other than knockback?
/using the rail
Which I'm ~~~~Okay with
And using other weapons, I have no clue how to deal with the Bull boss fight
Since I can't block the charge
kindred mountain
@coarse hare hey I just noticed that currency in the top of the currency list in my game, do you know what that is?
turbid needle
I've found the safest way to dodge Asterius' charge is to lure him so that he's almost running parallel to a wall, and dodge towards him and under him. The widest angle at which you can force him into the wall is actually pretty wide.
turbid needle
@kindred mountain that ‘currency’ is the amount of times you can alter the reward of the next chamber ✌
kindred mountain
yup, as I was playing just now I realized it thanks.
safe mesa
i just got a new computer and did not transfer over my saves from my last one
and i beat elysium on my first try
apparently i can only beat 40+ heat with sword but i’m trying out other weapons again
gleaming solstice
Hello I think I've spotted a bug and I can't report it in game apparently, no idea why. The bug is that when I try to cast on xbox controller I dash in the same time, its really frustrating pls send help :c
I've checked if it occurs when using keyboard and it works perfectly fine, so I literally have no clue why it happens when using controller.
whole raft
Yeah, I'm not bold enough to try going mirrorless just yet, even at 0 heat. Working my way up though. Finally maxed everything but Fated authority for now.
wheat elbow
0 Mirror Run should also be on a new safe file
That way, you can also get rid of keep sakes.
Only sad thing about that is that the very first run always has the same boons I think
atomic panther
If that's the case, use the second run
tranquil fiber
you could just use the coin purse and be careful not to spend that extra gold.
wheat elbow
@atomic panther Second run always starts with Zeus though
so I can see that one being seeded too
atomic panther
Oh, does it?
shell finch
Hmm, does dash attack benefit from both attack and dash attack boons simultaneously?
plucky oxide
Yeah
shell finch
thx. I'm finally getting somewhat full artemis build
except for some Athena's survival boons
supple echo
Are the medusa rock shots blockable like the witch orbs?
I can't seem to bat them away
unkempt pagoda
they can be blocked with shield and deflected, but can't be destroyed by attacking
supple echo
thanks
Does the damage increase against enemies that have a bloodstone stuck in them stack with additional bloodstones?
Seems like it would become ridiculous if so
Just wanted to ask
rugged apex
nope
rugged apex
one is enough.
supple echo
this is fair
@radiant plume your Elysium Fight comment is fair, but I feel like Theseus's calling upon Olympus for power stage is challenging
And it needs to feel like the minotaur fight with extra steps, and the Minotaur already has a lot of HP
radiant plume
absolutely the wrath stage is challenging. it just feels a bit tedious to crawl through the truckload of HP those guys have, especially since there's very little "downtime" in the fight where you feel relatively safe, unlike the meg/hydra fights
id rather the damage numbers get tuned up and the hp numbers get tuned down is all
i guess the phrase i'd use is "combat fatigue"
wheat elbow
I mean, if "safety" in the fight is what you are looking for, the pillars are your best friend
They can block almost everything Thesseus can do
radiant plume
i just mean like, the other fights have periods of high intensity and low intensity. meg does a bullet hell or summons those circles and you have to focus on dodging, but there are also parts where you aren't 100% engaged. the hydra has the relatively low danger segments and then it summons the heads. but the theseus fight just feels like all high intensity, but for like 5 full minutes
wheat elbow
I mean, that is also a matter of preference.
radiant plume
true
wheat elbow
I personally dislike these moments of calm safety
If I had any say in the matter, bosses becoming impervious wouldn't be a thing.
proud storm
it's to prevent skipping through their phases
wheat elbow
It is a pace-breaker.
supple echo
yeah, a bit