i really miss god of war honestly
#h1-builds-and-combat
frank nymph
Any thoughts on what the next weapon will be?
tiny crow
hammer
or
axe
a heavy weapon of any type
big damage bigger risk
cause slow boi
frank nymph
I was thinking they might do a flamethrower type weapon
tiny crow
if its a ranged weapon im guessing either a sniper type or a type of ranged whip
frank nymph
Yeah I think one of the potential issues with the Daedalus Hammer is that it makes it so some potentially entirely new weapons already exist
tiny crow
Swords my fav. Double nova/empowering nova ftw
frank nymph
Like with the adamant rail becoming a sniper or a shotgun and the sword becoming a chop they're fundamentally different weapons
But you can only get them through RNG with the hammers
frank nymph
First just getting a hammer and second getting the upgrade you want
lost rose
17 minutes
that's relentless barrage *and piercing barrage hammer on the bow, plus epic tempest flourish, breaking wave, and typhoon's fury
frank nymph
Wow you certainly got a good combo there
lost rose
it was absurd
asphodel was the trickiest because launching floating enemies out into lava does more harm than good really
but in elysium and tartarus i was doing like 400 damage at a time
frank nymph
If only you got the Zeus Poseidon dual boon on top of that
So they'd take lightning with knockback
lost rose
god
fiery axle
this sounds fun
lost rose
this was SO MUCH FUN
i usually don't clear elysium because it's time intensive and tiring
this time i just wanted as much time with this build as possible
pastel jolt
i feel that
fiery axle
Most fun build I've played so far was Shield+double attack hammer upgrade and then full Artemis+Zeus Duo boon
pastel jolt
you end up beating theseus and asterius and getting sad because that means no more fun build
lost rose
i'm still trying to get hypnos' autograph so i had been letting myself get killed but not this time
in other sadder news, i think i've seen most of hermes' dialogue now gkdfjgfd
rocky sage
anyone else having a hard time with the bow??
upbeat junco
Yea i am Spaghett
The bow feels pretty weak
alot of the changes seems to have effected the bow and now it just feels weak, bow was my main and now im considering swapping to rail or shield main
pastel jolt
i’ve always been a bow main and it feels just as good as ever in this update
dire bear
Just for my curiosity's sake, what was your best time and with what weapon?
Anyone can answer really
hard holly
16 minutes with bow I believe
Definitely improvable though, I waste a lot of time waiting around
dire bear
Jesus, I did a little over 20 with the sword
What do you go for in terms of build with that?
lost rose
same, that 17 i got had a lot of waffling in it
hard holly
Current record is 9 minutes, 50 seconds or so
dire bear
Beating the whole run?
hard holly
Yep
dire bear
I dont want to call you a liar but I dont know. Do you have a screenshot? 9 minutes seems wayy too quick
hard holly
Thats a speedrun tho, so
Its on Haelians youtube channel
As for my 16 minutes run, the usual
Artemis attack, artemis dash, triple shot, perfect shot
lost rose
the deets on my 17 minute one are there if you scroll up a bit
dire bear
7:28 in game time is what i found
hard holly
Thats glitched
dire bear
Thats with the Beefy Update
hard holly
Normal one is 9 minutes or so
pastel jolt
my fastest time is.... i think it was the spear spin run from last night at 22 minutes
survival rooms suck if you’re going for speed
hard holly
Worst part is when you just kill anything right after it spawns
So its less "survival room" and more "Can I just get on with it" room
upbeat junco
what do you guys think is the best build currently for bow?
hard holly
Artemis Attack, Artemis Dash, Triple Shot, Perfect shot
Poseidon attack is also good
Also any chaos boons that enhance attacks or dash attacks
upbeat junco
ive been going poseidon attack
just started a run now, if I have the choice between 75% hunter dash or 28% artemis attack what would I choose?
hard holly
Honestly, both are good choices
velvet nest
have you guys gotten the Ares/Athena duo boon??? i got that one on my last run and it was CRAZY good, especially since i had 6 cast slots by that point
opaque mulch
Yup that one is crazy ^^
velvet nest
Ares/Aphrodite was also super OP before last patch but it got nerfed apparently, RIP (still seems really good though)
opaque mulch
i had the heroic ares boon to combo with it as well XD
velvet nest
LMFAO JESUS that soudns insane, i LOVE it
opaque mulch
Yup 😛
but i think for now aphrodites ultimate that you can charm enemies for like 10 seconds atleast is soo strong, because bosses are also affected by it for a lot of breathing room XD
And this is without even getting the extra gauge meter filled of zeus so i can imagine it is even stronger with that
seeing the minotaur attack his comrade is funny though XD
upbeat junco
what does ares athena do?
opaque mulch
any attack that would deflect, like athena dodge, will proc ares curse immediately
so when you have athena dodge, and like a curse on an attack for 50-100, you can just autoattack dodge through them to do instant 50-100 extra damage
upbeat junco
jesus
that sounds strong
does it have to deflect to curse or just an attack that deflects?
because that sounds like it could be OP on rail
opaque mulch
just an attack that deflects, aa on rail would work yes
coarse hare
Athena dash didn't activate doom for me with the duo boon
opaque mulch
Is for you also the feedback channel blocked for now?
coarse hare
Maybe I hit a bug?
opaque mulch
It did for me, so i do not know if they quickfixed it because too strong or not
but worth mentioning in the feedback if you can ^^
coarse hare
I just played last night. Yeah I left a feedback, but I thought it was by design
opaque mulch
Ye the minotaur now has an animation bug where it keeps flying through the air XD funny but not how it supposed to be xD
coarse hare
Hah I remember someone running into that before too. Thought they fixed it before
opaque mulch
Me too, might be only with the aphrodite ulti cause I keep charming him XD
coarse hare
He was so charmed he was flying XD
upbeat junco
wtf, I just beat megaera and I what destroying all the pots when I noticed that when I bow special, i'm able to instantly move again without the delay :/
then i went to the next room and it went back to normal
coarse hare
Did you dash before or after the bow special? Maybe that made a difference?
upbeat junco
didn't dash at all
just pressed special and I was able to move immediately after it
turbid needle
I played a Sword Special build with a Heroic Poseidon's, and the range boosting upgrade, and Hermes' 12% special speed bonus, and it was soo strong.
I pommed it twice and got a whole bunch of Poseidon's various knockback bonuses, so I was just insta-melting Elysium foes
turbid needle
How was fighting the boss at the end? Are they actually affected by poseidon's knockback?
rocky sage
honestly i take my time since i use butterfly so i like to secure every room.. is there anything u get by completing the game fast?
lost rose
i like seeing character interactions and dialogue, so i prefer a greater volume of faster runs over slow ones
heady zephyr
butterfly is hard to pull off with the sword
fiery axle
Hey, do Attack damage modifiers count towards Dash Attacks?
pastel jolt
yes
fiery axle
Alright thank you <3
pure oriole
I really don't enjoy Zeus' boons
Almost never want any of them
Am I doing something wrong or are they juste meh?
plucky oxide
Lightning strikes, like on dash, are incredibly powerful. Especially with investment.
Zeus is a god that you get a lot out of if you're heavily invested in his boon pool.
If you're picking up a single boon, it's probably not going to feel impactful.
But together they make for an incredibly powerful force.
atomic panther
Zeus's cast boon is incredibly powerful, being 90 damage at base and hitting up to 5 targets (maybe 6, I don't remember exactly)
pure oriole
I mostly play Rail so I don't really care about AoE/bouncing stuff
But yeah it's probably because I always run into him mid-run when I've already established a build that I don't enjoy hiw lightning boons
pastel jolt
oh you poor soul
@pure oriole https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3FbH7b2cc
zeus attack on rail is stupid amounts of fun
pure oriole
Haha looks great indeed
plucky oxide
Zeus attack - need a fast attacking weapon. incredible synergy with legendary. Rail is great with this.
Zeus special - nerfed recently, okay aoe clearing. Used to be amazing on bow special, haven't tested recently.
Zeus cast - fast and aoe clearing, with okay synergy with legendary.
Zeus dash - turns your dash into an offensive attack, great for proccing jolted without heavy investment.
Zeus debuff - an okay debuff, but most of his moves have a chance of proving it
Zeus legendary - doubles effectiveness of most things
pure oriole
But I mostly use rail to play extra safe and use special x3 to do dmg when I've got nothing to dash
pastel jolt
it'd be even better if theseus hadn't blocked my splitting bolt all the time ;-;
plucky oxide
Zeus' lightning from dashes can't be blocked. You can also get the boon that makes lightning strike twice. Combine this with more dashes from Hermes and you have a non-weapon dependent run.
pure oriole
Must be a crazy strong build against Asterius
wheat elbow
I mean, the good thing about Zeus is that he has a lot of added modifiers to everything that applies lightning, so you can cram his entire utility into a single attack
which in turn leaves your other attacks/abilities free for other gods
pastel jolt
+ Eternal Spear: reduced damage of Spin Attack
🇫 good while it lasted 
wheat elbow
Godbless
Hopefully, next update will do something about spear special to make up for it.
elfin pulsar
spear special will likely never go back to how it was
hard holly
Bit surprised thats the one they completely undid
It doesnt have to
Id be fine with spear special being good
Instead of outclassed by everything
wheat elbow
I don't know what Spear Special did before, it was always bad since I played it.
elfin pulsar
it still feels pretty solid to me, just not the monster it was
wheat elbow
Some spear upgrades are cute or fun, but even then, they aren't good.
hard holly
It used to be broken
More damage than bow by a lot
But now a full spear build gets outclassed by bow with 2 boons and no hammer upgrades
wheat elbow
Also, even with yesterdays buffs being taken back, Spear Charge attack still trumps everything the weapon does
elfin pulsar
if they are gonna unnerf something they should un-nerf backstab, or maybe add extra backstab damage onto the specual
wheat elbow
I wouldn't say that Spear necessarily get's outclassed.
hard holly
Id just mess with base damage
wheat elbow
With Spear, getting a feeling to spam charge attacks can win games
hard holly
Make explosive launcher 45 base damage instead of the regular
And maybe make regular base damage 25/30
elfin pulsar
yeah im definitely here for an explosive launcher buff
hard holly
Oh and Vicious Skewer back to guaranteed crit but no damage boost
Hm
The massive spin upgrade wasnt nerfed as much as I thought
Its 125% extra damage now
So 225 spin with just it
wheat elbow
Still 25% damage boost from before
which is nice
But it really wasn't the spear hammer boon that needed a buff
kindred mountain
Where can I go to read about all the mechanics in the game? Like getting the duo boons to show up / which are available etc
elfin pulsar
the wiki!
the wiki, reddit, and this discord are the only resources for the game im aware of
kindred mountain
I sure hope that the full game has an ingame resource! haha
It'd be cool if it also shows you how many times you accepted each boon.
wheat elbow
I don't think it does....
It does show you how many times you tried to escape though
kindred mountain
I know it doesn't, but I hope it'll show it somewhere in the full game.
I like how it gives you a bonus to use a certain weapon every once in a while to change things up. I hope that introduce something similar to the boons.
And how do we get invited to the feedback channel? or is it momentarily disabled?
pastel jolt
read the pinned posts in the feedback channel
plucky oxide
Spear's good. Special is great. Would love to see some more hammers that changed how it played. Even if that means slowing down the weapon to greatly bolster its damage output to appeal to those who think it needs to be a massive source of damage to be viable.
median ridge
does anyone know what the soul catchers actually do? i tried looking it up on the wiki but there isn't a page for them yet
plucky oxide
They send butterflies at you. Those butterflies do damage.
turbid needle
Lol
plucky oxide
They're enemies that kind of require your attention, or demand you keep moving.
median ridge
awesome, thanks
when i'm playing i'm usually too busy avoiding everything and trying to survive to really examine the specific mechanics in play
i figured the butterflies were Bad but i wasn't sure if the soul catchers did other things as well
grand patrol
badderflies...
but yeah hfhjfhj i walked into them by mistake a lot before i realized it was enemy
plucky oxide
I feel like I heard in the Hades gameplay live stream vid, that the dev stated that soul catchers and the exploding kittens were meant to water down the amount of exalteds at play.
grand patrol
EXPLODING KITTENS AAA
yeah, supposed to "make you want to see exalteds"
plucky oxide
The kittens keep me on my toes
Make me play around geometry more, so I can clip them on corners before they reach me
The soul catchers are negligible when alone, but they're an awesome support/ranged role.
I love the dps race of the soulcatcher elite room. Feels very, very good.
trim ingot
exploding kittens........
pastel jolt
i miss when the ambient butterfles in elysium had the shiny trails behind their wings ;-;
median ridge
exploding kittens spawning on their own are hilarious
i don’t even need to attack them
proud storm
mighty ermine
hiding behind the bushes at the end gfghf
celest lake
Just random elysium rooms
I usually just stand in one spot and cast them all to death
wheat elbow
The explodychariots can be annoying depending on the run.
Spear run was fine because I-frames on dash attack made them easy killings.
Sword gave me trouble though.
Also, I believe that they will end up giving me hell in 120 to 200 heat runs
turbid needle
I think it's okay, but I vastly favor Perfect Shot
Or Twin Shot
I honestly think Twin Shot might be too good, ever since its range buff in the Beefy Update
have devs said anything about possible mod support once released?
errant narwhal
nothing as far as i remember
turbid needle
Not to my knowledge, but I would honestly be HIGHLY surprised if they pursued any sort of modding API considering their team's scope and how niche the game is
True, I was thinking they could since games like enter the gungeon seem to be pretty niche but have a modding community. Ofc I hope they can pack as much content into the games as possible, but adding some mod support would help extend the games life after release
I'm imagining some Titan boons for example, could make sense seeing as how Chaos gives you boons
next bison
oh forget titan boons, I'd love to see Hades himself help you if you mend your relationship with him later on, he can either some chaos style boons, or life steal "You want help? work for it"
turbid needle
Just lost to Theseus because his crosshair stopped turning red after I knocked him down to half health.
Is that supposed to happen?
lost rose
My gut says probably not
turbid needle
Ate two spears (one for the kill) because of it.
lost rose
woof
i tried taking theseus out before the minotaur the other day since I've seen people suggest that, but it was not a good time
I'm gonna stick with the chariots, thanks,
turbid needle
If Theseus didn't have 270 degrees of complete invulnerability around him 99% of the time, I think that would be viable.
Does Asterius invoke the Olympians if you kill Theseus first?
lost rose
Theseus invokes the olympians when you get him down to half health; I don't know if the effects persist after you take him out, I've never survived long enough to find out
lost rose
So does he get replaced by mobs when you take him down?
turbid needle
Still think enemy block needs toning down.
rugged apex
by one chariot.
lost rose
For sure; they made some small tweaks, reduced the blocking range, made him hold up his shield less frequently, and there were some changes in this update regarding how casts (and maybe other effects) interact with shields to make it less punishing
but blocking is still pretty OP
rugged apex
bow shots just bounce off his shield...
lost rose
yeah trying to take him out with bow is. yeah
rugged apex
it has innate piercing and yet
lost rose
i say as if i didn't get that absurd bow clear yesterday
i kinda wanna try to replicate that run, it was a very good time
turbid needle
I got Splitting Bolt Piercing Fire once, and I've been chasing that dragon since.
lost rose
relentless piercing barrage + epic poseidon special and wall smash boons 😭
lost rose
not....great but i still got the clear pretty fast
i dashed through him and then shotgunned his back
and ate a spear to the face several times but hey
turbid needle
Theseus and to an extent Longspears and Greatshields are the only enemies whose designs I still dislike.
They don't feel hard, just unfair.
lost rose
i don't have too much issue with longspears but i admit it's because i tend to play ranged
bow or spear special builds
the greatshield spin attack is brutal.
turbid needle
See, even when I'm with the Rail Longspears give me hell.
rugged apex
I usually don't have issues with longspears because they die
turbid needle
I'm like "Oh, surely, this is outside their attack range."
rugged apex
I play... very aggressively, since death is the most effective crowd control
turbid needle
And then they make Varatha's Extended Jab look like T-rex arms.
Did they nerf their HP?
They've been giving me a lot less trouble since High Speed released.
lost rose
there were a few nerfs...
+ Exalted Strongbow: removed duration variance from pre-attack
+ Exalted Longspear: slightly reduced leap attack damage radius
+ Exalted Greatshield: reduced health```I read somewhere on here not ten minutes ago that part of the reason they introduced Soul Eaters and the exploding kittens (I'm never calling them anything else again) was to reduce Exalted spawn rate.
lost rose
Yeah, Amir said as much in his dev stream
Piercing effects can no longer be blocked by shield-bearing foes 🤔 🤔 🤔
i am pretty sure my piercing did not go through shields lmao
turbid needle
Wait, so Coronacht and Piercing Fire should make Theseus and Greatshields completely vulnerable?
lost rose
apparently??
i assume that's what that means, it was under the daedalus upgrade heading
but i definitely didn't notice it happening
turbid needle
I wanna try that, but I also don't want to use Coronacht and I don't want to bang my head against a wall struggling for Piercing Fire.
lost rose
i will gladly take that fall for you
turbid needle
Godspeed.
heady zephyr
shouldn't all piercing effects do that then?
i've definitely used the piercing gun against shielded enemies and had it bounce off
turbid needle
What other effects have piercing?
heady zephyr
the gun, i think a spear throw upgrade?
turbid needle
I think Varatha's Special normally pierces enemies.
heady zephyr
i think you're right actually
lost rose
grabbed piercing barrage 👍 we'll see if it works
turbid needle
Good luck.
unkempt pagoda
really? i had piercing heavy slug earlier and it went both through greatshields and theseus
lost rose
yep piercing barrage works on the greatshields; haven't tried it on theseus yet. i swear it was getting blocked the other day, but what do i know
it works!
nice
lost rose
no
piercing barrage special upgrade
no wonder that fight went so well for me yesterday, guess i just don't have eyes
kind fiber
What do people think of the Ares Athena duo boon?
To me it seems good when using the athena dash boon combined with an ares attack boon on either the sword or the shield
turbid needle
Haven't gotten it yet.
I tend to avoid Ares if I don't already have Artemis boons.
kind fiber
Do you know what it is?
rugged apex
it's pretty good, imo.
turbid needle
Yeah, instant Doom.
rugged apex
if you get like, doom attack+deflect dash on the sword it's a looooooot of damage
turbid needle
Jesus, how do you guys get these crazy fast clear times?
plucky oxide
honestly every run ive had so far this update has been amazing
turbid needle
Hey, Alive 2007 was on my shuffle a few songs ago.
plucky oxide
its so much fuuuuuuuun i love this gaaaame aaaaaaa
rugged apex
jeez, 200? I'm only at 60.
plucky oxide
191 clears / 239 attempts for me, though I don't run heat. I'm not patient enough to play with heat
turbid needle
I'm definitely under a 50% win rate.
lost rose
I have over 200 runs but only maybe 50 or 60 clears, just because i sacrifice runs a lot if i don't want to waste time on the boss
no point if all i'm looking for is, for example, hermes conversations!
turbid needle
This is why we need an Abandon Run button.
woven summit
ohhhhh you guys are so fantastic, i only have 46 attempts and 4 clears
turbid needle
Not being able to nuke the current run RNG from orbit gets to me.
plucky oxide
theres an abandon run button
turbid needle
Hey, don't sweat that noise.
plucky oxide
you have to be in the middle of an encounter
turbid needle
And the RNG doesn't reset.
You get the same Boon, same options unless you start messing with Keepsakes.
woven summit
but have a few times running with so high heats that i died without meeting thesus
lost rose
I only have so many runs because I've been playing since December 😛
turbid needle
Late April.
lost rose
also like I said I tend to throw runs away really quickly sometimes
turbid needle
I didn't have internet last month, though.
woven summit
late may😉
turbid needle
See, you've got plenty of time to get waaay too much Darkness.
rugged apex
I'm at 60~ attempts, 25 clears
turbid needle
Brimstones attacking from offscreen is still not okay. Just ran into a room in Asphodel where they sat in the center of a lava lake with armor while I had an Addled Boon (self-damage from Cast).
Not hard, just unfair.
kind cloud
I had been undefeated using the Stygian Blade plus any special boost until just now. Poseidon's attack and special buffs are awesome against common enemies but awful against bosses. I now know never to take his special for the sword.
elfin pulsar
i had an amazing run with his special on sword
its a 199% damage boost on epic or something
you need razor shoals tho
kind cloud
I was doing around 250 damage against common enemies because I had his special boon (rare), hammer upgrade (wider/+50 damage), and an epic chaos boon.
elfin pulsar
i think that was almost my exact setup
but with an epic razor shoals thrown in for bosses
kind cloud
Razor Shoals sounds familiar but I'm drawing a blank. What does it do?
elfin pulsar
its like bloodseekers ult from dota 2 if ur familiar
its posidens debuff, they take damage when they move
works even if they are immune to knockback
kind cloud
I looked it up on wiki. I remember now. It does rupture damage. I had the opportunity to take it but decided not to because I didn't expect it to work against bosses.
elfin pulsar
before they buffed the damage on his boons it was the only way to be decent vs bosses with him IMO
kind cloud
The new update nerfed Athen'a special build because it removed instant nova. However, I've found that the double nova works well with Dionysus' poisoned status. It hits twice. I combined it with another boon (Athena?) which allows it to stack. So, for instance, Minotaur was poisoned 4-8x at any given moment during the battle.
turbid needle
That's Aphrodite.
kind cloud
Yes, you're right. I got her mixed up with Athena.
turbid needle
I think they removed Instant Nova because they added Swift Flourish.
kind cloud
I'm not familiar with the names. I have better recall when I see the emblems. I'll look up Swift Flourish on wiki
turbid needle
Faster Special.
kind cloud
Hermes, right?
turbid needle
Yup.
kind cloud
Oh yeah, I mentioned something about this on reddit. Hermes' special boon compensates for the loss of instant nova. The epic tier speeds up the special by 30%.
turbid needle
I keep telling myself that eventually spamming the "proper" names will stick, but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be the jerk saying "Varatha" next year when everyone is still saying "spear".
trim ingot
the weapon names all sound like the names of pretentious craft beers
turbid needle
...You're not wrong.
echo sphinx
I know that pain.
(Another server I'm on, a Minecraft MMO has named dungeons. Everyone just ends up calling them their colors and not their proper names. I eventually gave up and just do the same.)
Same with Hades. The weapon names are way cooler but typing "spear" is just so much easier
lost rose
i would drink a beer called "coronacht the heart seeker"
trim ingot
life's too short to type out zagreus
i don't think i've typed zagreus instead of zag in a month
turbid needle
I wanna say that's a little different given he's called Zag in-game not a small amount.
unkempt pagoda
got a double mega-gorgon room today 🙃
turbid needle
What.
unkempt pagoda
and i think it was intended because zag commented on it
was extremely annoying to fight! but at least there wasn't a skullcrusher 👌
turbid needle
Infinity Chamber + Divine Strike = Very easy Megagorgon fight.
unkempt pagoda
ye but there were two of them
native ether
I would love to know if this is actually intended lol
unkempt pagoda
I think it is intended, because Zag was like "Oh come on!" or something like that when he walked in
rugged apex
if zag comments on it, it's intended
unkempt pagoda
i would've rather had two skullcrushers
turbid needle
Hunting Blades is still a world ender.
wheat elbow
Hunting Blades just doesn't do it for me.
turbid needle
I'm curious how they don't.
echo sphinx
Hunting blades is basically a guaranteed win
elfin pulsar
i've only had it once and theseus pushed my stuff in
think it was a higher heat than I was comfortable at tho
kind cloud
What do you all think is the best Duo boon and Legendary boon?
turbid needle
Hunting Blades and Splitting Bolt.
Support Fire is up there if you've got a stacked Cast build.
But Hunting Blades is unquestionably the strongest single Boon in the game.
kind cloud
Is it? I received it once and I don't recall it doing anything extraordinary.
On the other hand, Ares' Legendary Vicious Cycle melted the Minotaur.
From Wiki (on Vicious Cycle)
Your Blade Rift effects deal more damage for each consecutive hit.
Damage Increase per Hit: 2
turbid needle
Monster single target and AoE DPS.
I've only ever lost to Theseus spear-cheesing me when I've had Hunting Blades.
Rapid Cast is also hilarious.
kind cloud
From memory:
a fully filled wrath bar, wider damage area, and longer damage cycle, Vicious Cycle was doing like 100+ points of damage per revolution by the end. It scaled up quickly and was incredible. I think it did something like 1000+ damage per half bar of the Wrath.
I'll have to pay attention to Hunting Blades next time I get it.
turbid needle
Blade Rifts are crazy strong. They're balanced by their completely unguided nature.
kind cloud
I find Poseidon's Wrath attack to be much harder to control then Ares's wrath attack.
turbid needle
I once got Hunting Blades and Vicious Cycle and with either 3 or 6 Casts, took off between a third and half of Theseus' and Asterius' HP with a full volley.
Ares' Wrath you control entirely, which makes it one of the premier DPS cannons in the game, alongside Artemis' Wrath from across the arena.
Common Barbs will take out a quarter of the Bone Hydra's HP per blast.
kind cloud
Artemis is great if I get the right (re: epic or higher tier) boons for critical hits. Otherwise, I find her to be underwhelming.
However, I almost never create a cast build so perhaps she doesn't fit my playing style.
turbid needle
Before they nerfed Hunter's Mark, I got it, Freak Accident, and Hunting Blades.
Artemis' crit Boons are great when you have good burst DPS.
kind cloud
I've read a lot on reddit from posters about combining Artemis with Ares. I've yet to try this combination.
turbid needle
Bombard, World Splitter, Heavy Slug, Twin Shot, and Minotaur Rush are all terrifying.
Had a run earlier tonight with two 70+% Strike Boons from Chaos and by the end of the run I was critting for over 1000 damage on anything that had a Bloodstone in it.
Artemis and Ares are mostly powerful due to Hunting Blades.
Hunter's Mark used to be absolutely terrifying because you could drop a Blade Rift on something and it would absolutely ruin whatever was in it.
Like I said, Freak Accident, and I also had Double Strike, so I threw 3 Rifts at Asterius and Theseus and they melted.
kind cloud
^ I think I've seen someone use Hunter's Mark with Blade Rift against the Hydra on a youtube vid. I purchased the game after Elysium was added so iirc I missed out on that combo.
turbid needle
They only just nerfed Hunter's Mark on the 13th, I think.
kind cloud
Then I'm mistaken.
turbid needle
It may have been with High Speed, though, I'd have to check the patch notes.
kind cloud
Btw, have the developers mentioned anything about adding a Heroic category to the mirror?
turbid needle
Heroic only appear when you trade an Epic Boon.
Doesn't spawn normally in game like Rare and Epic.
kind cloud
Please explain.
turbid needle
Sometimes when you pick up a Boon, you will be given the option to trade them out.
turbid needle
A mirror option to give them the ability to spawn normally would be interesting, to be sure.
kind cloud
So if I exchange one Epic boon for another Epic boon, then I'll be presented with a Heroic in the next boon? Do I have that right?
turbid needle
Not quite.
If you have an Epic Boon and trade it, the trade will result in a Heroic Boon.
lost rose
If a god gives you the option to exchange, and the exchange is for an epic boon you already took, the exchange will offer you a heroic boon
turbid needle
Or maybe that's what you said.
kind cloud
Oh. I see.
lost rose
Like if I got, say, an epic-level special boon from Artemis, and then later I got an offer from Poseidon to exchange that special boon for his special boon, the rarity of the boon he was offering me would be heroic
kind cloud
@lost rose explanation clarified my question. The mere act of exchanging one Epic boon for another automatically upgrades it to a Heroic boon.
turbid needle
Got it.
kind cloud
Thank you for the explanation.
I'm a little embarrassed (and annoyed at myself) that I hadn't noticed this before. I was trying to figure out for a while if there was some way to generate Heroic boons more consistently.
turbid needle
Nah, it's a little obtuse.
kind cloud
So this leads to my next question. What causes a Legendary Boon to appear? Is it pure luck? Or is there some kind of pattern?
turbid needle
You have to establish the proper Boon chain.
Lighting Strike will let you spawn Double Strike, High Voltage, and Static Discharge.
Double Strike will give Splitting Bolt (Zeus' Legendary) a chance to spawn, but HV and SD will not.
No wait, High Voltage does.
The Hades Wiki has a list of all boons, their potential effects based on their rarity, and prerequisites for higher tier and Duo Boons.
kind cloud
"Proper boon chain"
From looking at the Hades wiki, I think I understand.
To get Vicious Cycle again, I would need (for instance) Blade Dash and Black Metal.
kind cloud
Yeah, Black Metal or Engulfing Vortex is either/or.
All this time, I've been fooling around and just getting lucky with Legendary boons.
This will change how I pursue boons going forward.
turbid needle
And now you're learning.
kind cloud
I was lamenting about some of the stacked boons I lost because the game isn't complete. But now I have a good sense on how to generate them again. I'll have something ready by the time biome #4 is released.
Thank you for your help.
turbid needle
Happy to do so.
calm ember
Is there a way to force the Bloodstones out of enemies to better take advantage of Exit Wounds?
lost rose
Not a way to force them to drop, no, but Artemis has a boon that causes them to drop out faster
calm ember
ah okay. Just seems like a weird Boon seeing as how most enemies are already dead by the time they come back out unless you just set there forever and let them time out. Seem counterintuitive to me.
lost rose
it can be useful for chipping down boss health!
lost rose
As in a mode where you just fight the bosses? No
kind cloud
On reddit, I'm reading that the Spear (Varatha) was nerfed today. How so?
calm ember
That would be cool. I always enjoyed that Trial in Hollow Knight for that purpose. I bet they end up adding something like that way later on.
It was recently buffed.
errant narwhal
you can read the patch notes in the server! #hades-patch-notes
calm ember
They just walked that buff back.
kind cloud
@errant narwhal Thank you for the link. I just skimmed it.
It said that the spin attack was reduced.
@calm ember
"They just walked that buff back."
So it was increased first and then reduced again?
errant narwhal
yeah, read the patch right before!
kind cloud
I did.
Hence, I just launched the game and messed around with Skelly to make sure.
The spin at max does 100 damage and 50 damage uncharged.
It's the only weapon I haven't attempted a run with. I don't like the feeling of being a sitting duck while charging.
Btw, how close do you think we are to reaching the surface? (Asked another way, how many more biomes before we reach (1) the surface and (2) Olympus?)
lost rose
There's only one more biome in the roadmap
kind cloud
It seems to me Zagreus isn't interested in reaching Olympus.
lost rose
he's said as much, yeah
kind cloud
He's interested in finding his mother Persephone (who, according to Nyx, is still alive).
I wonder if the developers will keep building on the world. There has been a lot of dialog hinting at an on-going war on the surface.
It would interesting if Zagreus took part in that war.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
calm ember
I just saw Thanatos for the first time. lol
calm ember
I've made it to Asphodel probably a dozen times since I started playing again and getting a little better. But I was wondering what the empty spots in Chtonic Gods I still hadn't met yet.
wheat elbow
I believe I went into the Alecto Fight with 25 to 27.5%
The rest I got between Asphodel and Elysium
@kind cloud Also, you better leave that talk to the spoiler section
lost rose
Spoilers are fine in gameplay!
Obviously this is a more gameplay-oriented channel but just mentioning stuff is fine
wheat elbow
If yxou say so.
kind cloud
I used a Poseidon build on the Stygian blade and I'm just not seeing it. My Special was up to 250% and I barely beat Theseus and Minotaur despite having Artemis legendary (on no heat).
I think Athena's deflect is, by far, the best option for the Sword Special (especially on heat runs).
On the other hand, Athena's Wrath is not a good choice. It has very limited offensive ability. By comparison, Ares's Wrath and Poseidon's Wrath offers the same benefit (i.e. impervious) but has excellent offensive ability.
@calm ember
Did the game save your progress?
I've had 3 instances of a force close. The first two times the game picked up in the last saved room. The 3rd time I lost all my data (re: entire save slot) and I had to start over.
wheat elbow
@kind cloud I just beat the game using only the sword special and finished it within 20 Minute.
Granted, I also cycled through three different specials in that run
Started with Ares, then Poseidon, then Aphrodite
Was a fun run
Far away from being as challenging like clearing the game with only bow special and shield special
These videos will be up later today and tomorrow, so look out for those
calm ember
I just unlocked the Infernal Contract. I didn't even know this Heat stuff was a thing until just now. Don't know how I missed it in conversations. lol
So if I understand correctly. Heat runs are just for more of a challenge and that's it right?
calm ember
Every time I start to think I've seen everything in this game something new happens and blows my mind. This has to be one of the riches Rogue-Like games I've played in awhile.
Ok so now there are gates with Boons behind them locked by how much Heat you have turned on?
Are these boons better than normal or just another opportunity all together?
lost rose
I believe they're better; there was something in the patch notes about the poms you can get there recently, too
calm ember
ok I'll have to check that out. My last run was the first time making it to Elysium and beating Hydra. So I've got a whole slew of new stuff I'm figuring out. lol
lost rose
Enhanced Poms of Power found in Erebus now increase Boon level +2 (rather than changing rarity)
charred ruin
whats a solid build for 120?
calm ember
Nice
fiery axle
@lost rose I'm out of ideas for a fun build rn so would you mind hooking me up?
Maybe even something where all the stars have to align, let me chase that dragon
lost rose
Try for that bow special shotgun build i had yesterday, that was a blast
fiery axle
It was Poseidon right?
lost rose
relentless barrage, poseidon special
then any wall smash boosts you can get
piercing barrage is a bonus
fiery axle
did you try getting the Zeus Duo with it?
fiery axle
will do, thanks ❤
lost rose
Rupture + another status effect would be wild too
if you get razor shoals
maybe an aphrodite dash
or artemis mark
fiery axle
ugh, first choices are two normal and special(rare)
am usually not okay with rare ;_;
lost rose
i was having a very good time with spear and vicious skewer earlier today too but that's pretty standard i think
fiery axle
can't handle the spear to save my life
lost rose
i just use it like the bow and lean on special
athena or poseidon buff to special plus vicious skewer
fiery axle
Tried that, thought the shield special to be more reliable and less clunky
lost rose
oh, i've never enjoyed the shield special tbh
pastel jolt
spin2win was fun when i tried it but i have to see how they nudged the damage back down with the newest patch
fiery axle
also I play with heat and them blocking my first two instances of damage is pretty meh with spear special slows me down so much :(
probs the only weapon I'll never get a clear with
lost rose
ohhhh i see, yeah the two extra blocks are more punishing than they initially seem
zeus clears em out pretty good
fiery axle
chamber 13 and only one god so far 
lost rose
D:
lost rose
triple shot i guess,
lost rose
twin shot is better than i remember it being
hard holly
Twin Shot is slightly more safe, but does slightly less damage
fiery axle
I dislike any charging mechanic so I never use them, the game is just mocking me at this point
Might go for rapid shot+hermes attackspeed+anything?
dunno
lost rose
if you're going for speed, zeus attack or dionysus
calm ember
I have a harder time with Stygian Blade runs than anything. What's a good build for it? Any tips?
lost rose
i've heard the new double nova is very good
athena on special is powerful
worldsplitter and uhhh cruel thrust?? are also pretty good
pure fox
i usually go for flurry balde and the crit special build or the fast special with dio attack and aphrodite dash and both of them duos
lost rose
there's a hammer that makes you crit on the thrust
fiery axle
I liked the upgrade with 35% critchance after using your nova
pure fox
i love fast whacking 
fiery axle
that coupled with hunters mark got me quick fights
calm ember
Yeah I have a boon right now that gives me 100% crit after you slay an enemy. My biggest problem with Blade is I seem to take more dmg than other builds even with dashing all over the place. lol Especially in Elysium.
fiery axle
Okay so my Special is on Level5 while only having one other skill on my dash. I'm cursed
@calm ember Athenas Special is your friend
calm ember
I just found the Divine Dash. This is going to be a lifesaver.
I also have Relative Speed and Drift Dash so this just went from a "so-so" build to badass!!
fiery axle
heady zephyr
yeah, blade is really hard to work with pierced butterfly
nova has too much recovery to dodge damage reliable, regular combo has too little range
fiery axle
@lost rose okay I got to Elysium with Q Special Lvl6 and pretty much nothing else. Guess they don't want me to enjoy your build >:c
lost rose
chaos, the patron deity of rng, was clearly not smiling on us today
cursive canyon
Hey, could someone suggest a build (hammer/boon choices) that makes the bow fun? It's the only weapon I dont seem to enjoy in the game
fiery axle
monkaS
lost rose
power shot + artemis dash attack + other god attack boon of your choice does some good damage
if you can get relentless barrage, using it like a shotgun is very satisfying
calm ember
Can someone help me understand Stifling Darkness? I don't understand at all what it means.
pastel jolt
twin shot is also a good choice
lost rose
and after this most recent update, piercing barrage will hit shielded enemies
pastel jolt
especially if you’re not as confident with nailing your power shot timings consistently
cursive canyon
How does dash attack work on a bow?
pastel jolt
charges faster
lost rose
If you charge a shot right after dashing, you can power shot faster
cursive canyon
That makes sense, thanks a ton, I'll try to understand the bow better
lost rose
the dash-powershot rhythm is a big part of enjoying bow
pastel jolt
@calm ember stifling darkness limits how much darkness you can invest in the mirror, the first rank limits you to 2750 darkness and it goes down by 250 per rank from there
calm ember
Ok...that's a really weird way of punishing yourself. lol But innovative I'll give ya that.
lost rose
I like it actually, i had it turned almost all the way on in my 120 heat run
the mirror abilities are mostly bonus
death defies are......very necessary these days though
pastel jolt
i think you can still get your death defies and extra dash on the max rank, right?
lost rose
yup
cursive canyon
I like the stifling darkness, makes you value mirror upgrades more rather than pumping like 6k darkness into everything
calm ember
is there a benefit to these 120 runs I'm hearing about?
lost rose
There are "rewards", yes
calm ember
Is that the highest you can go?
cursive canyon
I assume there would be some extra dialogue at high heat
austere jewel
So I just ran Are's blade storm cast, got artemis duo for it making it target others, and holy heck, I would call it op. I barely had to do anything anymore. They dealt insane amounts of damage (due note I am stuck on beefy update)
cursive canyon
I agree that ares-artemis duo is op, as it involves barely any skill for a huge damage output
calm ember
I noticed I got a few extra dialogue with Hermes after I turned the timer on in settings. That was hilarious.
calm ember
I about spit my drink up the first time he had a reactive dialogue on one of my runs. I was like "I didn't know this game did stuff like that."
I guess I should have seeing how that's SuperGiant's MO. I just keep forgetting it's their game.
fiery axle
it's lovely, as usual
pastel jolt
next time i do a run i wanna turn my timer off and see if he notices i beat my best time last run
lost rose
It's been slim on reactive dialogue before this but they seem to be leaning into it a lot more recently!
I hope it's a trend that continues
pastel jolt
since zag straight up said “hermes would be proud”
lost rose
He hasn't said anything about me beating my latest record :(
fiery axle
I have yet to play Pyre but all the other games are just made with such attention to detail it didn't even surprise me in Hades but it's my favourite
pastel jolt
aw
lost rose
i know he can though
pastel jolt
notice me senpai :(
lost rose
i've SEEN THE CONDITIONALS, HERMES
pastel jolt
i love hermes so much
fiery axle
he's the boy
blazing cobalt
fiery axle
Dio used to be it. His smug won me over but Hermes beat him
lost rose
hermes and artemis favorite gods
pastel jolt
i think it’s cute how he calls zag “boss” or “coz”
calm ember
It's funny you mention that. Pyre is the only SuperGiant game I don't currently own. I haven't finished Transistor but Bastion is one of my all time favorite game. I thought about pulling the trigger on Steam for Pyre. I wish they would put all of them on Epic so I could have them in the same place.
austere jewel
Love in general how the Gods have relationships and opinions about each other. Makes me hope that more of the boons will have bonuses/bad combos depending on the relationships between the characters.
fiery axle
I own it but never got to it. I'm very... difficult.. when it comes to playing games and having motivation :(
lost rose
Fun fact, technically all of SGG's games are DRM-free!
I'm pretty sure anyways
so no matter where you get them they're kind of all in the same boat
fiery axle
I'm so excited for the Switch ports
calm ember
I just had my first Duo Boon tonight on an earlier run. I didn't even know that was a thing.
austere jewel
Its so cool 😄
fiery axle
Aww! It's fun to find them all and their dialogues
calm ember
I picked up an Ares boon and Aphro just jumped in the middle of the convo and I was like "OK, never seen that before." Then after the convo I saw the "Duo" boon. It was a badass Boon as well.
pastel jolt
i loooove the duo boon dialogues
austere jewel
What level or variant are the Heroic Boons?
Are the like Duos a different kind than Common-Rare-Epic-Legendary?
austere jewel
mkay, what is the general theme of them? 😮
proud storm
heroic boons are essentially the rarity above epic
fiery axle
They combine two gods attributes pretty much. Artemis has a cast that is seeking, Ares has the blade casts. Their duo boon combines those and you have satan
pastel jolt
no, avocado, that’s legendary boons
fiery axle
huh what
pastel jolt
heroic boons are just a rarity level above epic that can only be received by trading an epic boon with another god
pastel jolt
oh, i didn’t think the second question was referring to legendaries
austere jewel
aaah so they trade out stuff, cool thanks!
pastel jolt
the rarity “chain” runs common (white), rare (blue), epic (purple), and then heroic (red)
legendary and duo boons aren’t part of that “chain”
proud storm
legendary and duo boons only require certain boons for you to have a chance to get them
austere jewel
oh ok, I thought that heroic and duo would be the outliers from the chain, as that is the usual case in other games when it comes to rarity
pastel jolt
gods will sometimes offer to switch an attack, special, dash, cast or wrath boon you already have for their own version at one rarity higher
if the boon is epic then they’ll offer it at heroic rarity and that’s the only way to get heroic boons
i kinda want to adjust the wiki templates so that heroic rarity doesn’t appear on every boon? i feel like having “heroic: N/A” everywhere is just gonna confuse people
fiery axle
wouldn't hurt
hard holly
Yeah, heroic boons are a special rarity above others you can get when swapping out a "slotted" boon
One of the 5 spots you see on the left side of the screen
Duo boons are special boons that combine the 2 gods themes in some way, and have a pre-requisite of one of the gods mechanic
Crit for artemis, knockback for Poseidon etc.
covert sedge
i recommend stacking revenge damage boons they're op when you have atleast two and i had all foue revenge boons( ares, aphrodite , athena and zues
fiery axle
is that what we call masochism
austere jewel
To me it would make more sense if the Legendary was the one you had to swap out, and the Heroic was a random epic thing per god. Going from Common-Rare-Epic to Heroic? To my RPG brain it doesn't make thaaaat much sense?
pastel jolt
makes sense to me
fiery axle
Legendary was always the highest rarity to me and Heroic below
Can't list you games but yeah
Everyone can be a hero but not everyone can be a legend 🤔
pastel jolt
i mean, i’ve been playing world of warcraft for near enough fifteen years but i don’t expect every single game to adhere to the wow structure of rarity
hard holly
But I would instinctively say that heroic is above legendary as well
pastel jolt
Games Is Different
austere jewel
It doesn't have to, just you know, using standards is helpful sometimes
not a big deal anyway, just made me a bit confuzzled
willow wagon
Guys, i've been trying to progress towards my 120 heat kill and best i've got was getting to hydra. Any tips anyone?
One problem i often find myself having is builds going all over the place instead of the way i initially planed
wheat elbow
The solution is simple, really.
Master Ultra Instinct and don't get hit.
Jokes aside, tell us more about your pact build, maybe that can give us a couple pointers
heady zephyr
on a 120 heat build, broken spearpoint and pure athena is probably how i'd go
would be slow af
i mean i have trouble finishing 25 heat runs lol
wheat elbow
Get a good special boon and scum through the game spamming shield special
That is probably the safest the game can get at any point
plucky oxide
Do trial rooms only show up when you have a branching selection of rooms to take?
I dont think I've ever seen a linear room with a trial room as the only option
willow wagon
wheat elbow
@willow wagon I highly suggest putting some points into Stifling Darkness
willow wagon
@plucky oxide i dont think ive seen a linear trial of the gods
wheat elbow
It is surprisingly easy to not play with thousands of darkness
500 to 1000 can give you almost everything you REALLY need.
willow wagon
and take out some points from the frenzy?
wheat elbow
Vicious Torment, Grim Inevitability and Frenzy and Tenebrous Veil are in my opinion the hardest modifiers
Vicious Torment at maximum gives you like...50 heat points but means that many enemies can basically one-shot your entire healthbar.
pastel jolt
whipped frenzy is the hardest imo
cold oriole
yeah frenzy is vastly worse than torment
pastel jolt
enemies don't jsut move faster they attack you from further away
wheat elbow
Grim Inevitability is terrifying if you get hit a lot but can be mitigated by good play and getting a lot of cerberus hearts and/or second chances
cold oriole
the thing about frenzy
wheat elbow
Tenebrous Veil means that you surrender your run to RNG
And frenzy, just let me tell you
cold oriole
is that instead of just changing stats it changes mechanics
wheat elbow
50% faster does not sound like much, but it matters so much
cold oriole
which totally screws your ability to time things out
everything else just changes stats
wheat elbow
Louts, Brimstones, Numbskulls, everything in Elysium and bosses will destroy you
Especially if you also bring that 500% damage factor to the table
willow wagon
With frezny its worst when there are a lot of enemies on screen
its very easy to get hit
wheat elbow
The worst part about Frenzy is that whenever you DO take it, chances are that you are also playing against more enemies with larger health pools
It just makes the entire experience terrifying and terrible
And, of course, that is ignoring bosses.
Frenzy sadly also makes some weapons more or less unplayable.
Good luck hitting Rail bombs consistently when your enemies are hypermobile.
That will bite you once you get to asphodel or elysium, big time
cold oriole
just get triple bomb and the bomb that makes you shoot five out
and carpet bomb everything XD
green birch
The rail upgrade that makes your special go in a five-bomb spread
plucky oxide
Has that been removed? It was my favorite but people always complained about it
green birch
It’s definitely not new, been there since the rail came out
I can’t remember the name of the boon specifically but if I’m reminded I could scrub patch notes for it
It looks like it was removed from the game unfortunately
unkempt pagoda
ye it was removed, sadly
peak smelt
noooh
turbid needle
well probably since both triple special + cluster bomb would be beyond disgusting
I really like how Ares Special Shield + Explosive Return + Faster Special Hermes works together
unkempt pagoda
they could've just made them exclusive from each other
turbid needle
I think that wasn't only problem
sicne they knew about Hermes the Cluster bomb would be too strong for Cluster even without Triple Bomb
then there is a thing that Special Ares which was buffed to some disgusting boundaries with Cluster Bomb ?
my god... pair that up with Hermes and I could even think about going through 60 heat with it
that thing feels stupid on shield special which was supposedly one of the worst things in the game lol
and meanwhile I realy love the damn Cluster bomb, because it was so damn fun
It's one of those things were Devs would have to do some insurmountable amount of coding or even do "independent ratios" for each weapon for god boons
and at this stage... I don't think that's too probable to go into that
south linden
sorry if it's already answered, but, do I keep the dodge bonus from the Hermes keepsake if I change it to some other keepsake between biomes?
green birch
No 😦
south linden
alright, thanks : )
wheat elbow
Anyone ever beat the game only using a weapons special?
autumn tapir
it's probably not that hard with bow
wheat elbow
I uploaded a video on it, so you can confirm your suspicion there.
Let me tell you one thing
Between today and yesterday, I did it with all weapons
And I recorded all of these runs, I will upload them every day from now on.
The spear and the rail were the worst
The first video is in #self-promotion , go there and check out my younger and more naive self when I just started that selfimposed challenge
I just finished the spear run. It was the hardest because it is the worst weapon where I made it even harder on myself while also not getting a lot of good things out of the game.
I am beat
pearl willow
epic 'passing through' 90% slow is insane and seems to even work on mini bosses, they can't do a thing
hard holly
Does that slow down their attacks?
wheat elbow
It does.
Both the attacking animation as well as projectile speed.
I haven't tried Mercurys legendary yet, but the way it reads makes it sound like it is a worse version of the boon we are talking about here
pastel jolt
*hermes
unkempt pagoda
got my sixth reroll 😌
wheat elbow
I have played too much Smite, Mercury is what the godly speedster is called in my canon sadly
Also, Mercury sounds much less irritating. Hermes sounds like Herpes.
Well, to be fair, all greek god names sound weird in english.
They are a fair bit more imposing in my native language
frank dew
dont think their names have to sound imposing
turbid needle
although I have to say... Hermes keepsake does sound fun...
but it's also Thanatos syndrome keepsake lol
except Thanatos is more consistent gain even lol
wheat elbow
You have a better chance at influencing how much damage you are going to take than how fast you can clear rooms.
Some rooms are purposely designed to take forever.
#Screw you, Thanatos
turbid needle
for example Elysium
you would literally need a f.... NUKE to clear that in 30 seconds
wheat elbow
You can make it happen in some rooms in elysium
turbid needle
and even then
wheat elbow
but others are pure heresy
turbid needle
souls are gonna screw you over
proud storm
lambent plume is all about clearing tartarus as fast as possible
wheat elbow
The worst part about Elysium is the room size
proud storm
if you do well you might get somewhere around 20-25% dodge chance
after that good luck
wheat elbow
and that some enemies spawn on the farthest corner of the chamber and that you have to search them
Nah, you can get higher.
30% should be easily doable between Tartarus and Asphodel
proud storm
you can but tartarus is the most reliable place to increase the dodge bonus
which is why you want to storm through the biome
wheat elbow
Let me put it like this
On regular runs, I aim for leaving Tartarus within 5 minutes of game time
proud storm
thats omitting a few things
proud storm
-survival rooms
-fountain rooms
-thanatos encounter
wheat elbow
Boss room that takes longer
miniboss which usually does as well
Also Sysyphus
And shops
wheat elbow
Still, you can easily get 20 to 30 stacks on just tartarus depending on how stacked your run and how good your weapon is
wait
That was probably the highest I got
ended the game with the keepsake at 45%
Granted:
proud storm
darn nice one
wheat elbow
That was when the spear was bloody OP
proud storm
figures
wheat elbow
That run is on youtube though, so at least I was able to capture that for eternity.
It only lasted for one day...
proud storm
now imagine if you got epic greater evasion
wheat elbow
I actually had that on that run I believe
proud storm
yeah lmao
wheat elbow
Or another run
I had A run with 30% keepsake or more
and close to 30% from the boon
proud storm
god you had like... about 65% dodge chance
wheat elbow
so close to 60% dodge
proud storm
60% yeah
wheat elbow
Also that other run where I got Pierced Butterfly to 45%
That will be on youtube tomorrow actually, I am looking forward to that.
From my special only series, that was probably my most favorite one
(no explosive return, that'd be too cheesy)
proud storm
well pierced butterfly isnt much trouble its just about not getting hit
wheat elbow
It's true
proud storm
though it's pretty hard in elysium to level it up you can more or less reliably do so everywhere
wheat elbow
That's the fun part.
If the only ability you ever use
literally ever
is the shield throw, it becomes super easy, barely an inconvenience.
turbid needle
https://i.imgur.com/ukuGTvH.png Do you even dig gold ?
hidden swan
can u guy's put a save after finish a stage , and when player die can chose stage in map from he's room ? or something like that
calm ember
So Poseidon builds with the Rail works very well. I just tried it out against Tisiphone and even though she's one of the easier of the Furies I still dumped her ass fast.
turbid needle
+30% more piercing barrage special with +30% faster Ares special with Dire Misfortune + 5 Aphrodite Dashes...
that sounds disgusting...
calm ember
I have to admit I seriously underestimated Passion Dash at first.
turbid needle
Passion Dash is one of the strongest dashes in the game due to easy status curse + damage migitation
Status addition is just huge for Ares, especially now that his Special damage is just... stronk
so strong that makes even shield special relevant
calm ember
Which do you think is better? I'm at an impasse. Greater Evasion, Greater Haste, or Quick Recovery?
turbid needle
what weapon ?
calm ember
I'm running Rail currently with Slug and Passion Dash and Poseidon Cast.
turbid needle
so I can guess that you're not moving without dashing a lot
Quick Recovery for me...
seems meh
calm ember
No rarity in any of them. Just basics from Hermes I just bumped into in Asphodel.
turbid needle
it sounds good, but it's strange mechanic
calm ember
I was thinking Quick Recovery.
turbid needle
that being said Dodge Chance is also meh lol
probably 3 worst perks from Hermes really for me
calm ember
I've never seen it actually work.
Been thinking about leveling up Lambent Plume.
But I don't know if it's worth it.
turbid needle
feels more worth it than Butterfly
although that doesn't say much for me
since I consider rubble trinket worth more than that trash of a trinket
that you have to take for a whole game without having any consistent possiblity of gains and still is worse than Megara Skull
but it really depends on how the Dodge actually works...
if it's not "True RNG" then you can throw it to bin even deeper than the Thanatos trinket
wheat elbow
How is Pierced Butterfly worse than earring when you can get 20 to 30% extra damage just by finishng Tartarus?
turbid needle
you have to take it for 3 areas
wheat elbow
Dodge just gives you the chance to negate an instance of damage.
So?
Play well for 3 areas, get damage you wouldn't have had otherwise
turbid needle
you negate urself 2 trinkets for stacking worth, on chance that you can master game kinda
wheat elbow
The only keepsake that is 100% worth picking and dropping is the coinpurse.
calm ember
wheat elbow
Because it's the only keepsake that has lasting worth even after dropping it
calm ember
This is my option walking into Asphodel.
wheat elbow
@calm ember What is your weapon?
Also, what do you already have that applies knockbacks
Also, do you already have jolted?
One way or another, it's between Seastorm and Rupture there for me. These should end up being your most consistent and noteworthy damage increases there, depending on what your current loadout is
calm ember
Rail
wheat elbow
Oh yeah, forget about Tempest strike forever then
Take one of the other two.
If you have a good roundabout knockback ability, grab rupture for the second debuff for privileged status
if you already have that covered, take the duo boon
Then again, I just scrolled up, you have heavy slug on the rail
Tempest Strike could be good then
but not good enough to overshadow the other two
calm ember
I have 2 Poseidon Knockback Boons
So I was thinking Rupture.
But honestly I had never seen that Boon before just now.
wheat elbow
The duo boon?
calm ember
Rupture
calm ember
It is? Ok then...That's what I'll go with. Ty
wheat elbow
Enemies suffer damage whenever they move while they have the debuff
The more/faster/farther they move the more damage they take. Your knock back effects also count towards this, but also just them running and jumping around.
You will see a lot of small numbers pop up around them
calm ember
How do you fill up the Hearts of characters? Just keep giving them more Ambrosia? Is there more conversation with each heart?
calm ember
ok cool
Just making sure I wasn't wasting Ambrosia when it could better be used somewhere else.
lol
wheat elbow
Did you see any other places where you could use it?
turbid needle
only on broker
but then it's just exchanging it
I usually reserve my keys and ambrosia for the broker to get more heat
had a nice deal earlier, I think it was like 160 darkness for 10 keys, and then some keys for 9 heat
atomic star
How exactly was hunting blades nerfed? The damage on it or their usefulness?
The main thing the blades were amazing for was wrecking theseus and asterius because they moved so much the stupid blades would stick to them and get through thesueus garbage 100% block chance
wheat elbow
The damage was nerfed and some of ares' passives that changed blade rifts in general were nerfed too
calm ember
I love that moment when you've been playing a game enough to feel confident in taking every upgraded challenge available. Like "Yeah I'll go into every room with a skull and take every Infernal Trove." When you avoided them at first just to learn how to survive. 💯
wheat elbow
There is a small buff though, Artemis will no longer grant cast related boons that the slicing shot wouldn't benefit from once you have it
atomic star
Did that happen? I don't recall ever getting the "stick in the enemy" after I chose blades from Ares, but maybe I knew to avoid them to begin with.
unkempt pagoda
it's in the patch notes i think
calm ember
anybody aware of this bug with Aegis shield?
Where can I post a vid of a bug happening?
atomic star
If you want to link the video, you'll probably have to host it on youtube or something, and submit the URL to the video along side your bug report
calm ember
oh okay. I was thinking we should post stuff like that on the Discord server.
calm ember
I'm about to fight Asterius for my second time. Any tips? He wiped the floor with me the first time I fought him with Spear. This time I have Aegis.
elfin pulsar
keeping distance from him is very safe phase 1
and watching his animations closely so you know when hes gonna charge
calm ember
he has way longer reach that he looks.
Every time I think I"m a safe distance away from him he still manages to hit me with AOE.
wheat elbow
@calm ember Most of his attacks consist of him starting with two quick swings. After those, he usually charge/jumps you one to three times, so watch out for that
In between double slash and jumps, he takes a brief moment to aim, you will get a feeling for that.
His dash is super precise, so just sidestepping it isn't enough.
If he runs, try to get yourself close to a wall or a pillar and dash away the moment he would hit you so that he charges into the wall. That will stop his attempt to rush you down.
The Gorgon Heads will be annoying, so keep your pimphand strong
He will get invincible for a brief period at 50%, so don't waste anything heavy around that mark.
He has one ranged attack, but I believe he only does that if he rushes into a wall, so most of the time, you should be safe of that naturally.
Anything else?
unkempt pagoda
have athena's dash
calm ember
Is Theseus the final boss?
I just made it to this section where Theseus and Asterius are fighting me and I've never made it this far before. I'm pretty low on health so I'm probably not going to make it past this.
errant narwhal
for now, yes
calm ember
Dude I almost beat him. I took out Asterius and had Theseus down to about 5% health. Recorded the whole thing.
That was so close.
errant narwhal
youll get there next time!
hasty wraith
Hi everyone! I'm confused about the rules when Thanatos shows up. Is it that he gives me the normal reward after a set amount of time, and I get a bonus reward if I kill more monsters than him?
hasty wraith
But like, how much is at stake here? Do I still get 1 reward if I don't kill more than him?
turbid needle
you get your own room reward always
an additional centaur heart is given only if you kill same or more monster than him
calm ember
That dude is so elusive. I need him to show up so I can give him Ambrosia and he hasn't shown up at all last 4-5 runs. I even made it through most of Elysium the last two times and still a no show.
pastel jolt
funnily enough, if you're playing too well, he won't show up
as in, if you haven't taken damage in the past 5 rooms, he can't spawn
i find it hilarious that being good at stacking thanatos's keepsake up actually means you won't see him very often, if at all
it makes sense, though, because the reason thanatos shows up is to help zag... so if he's doing well, there's no need for than to step in
hasty wraith
He has a funny way of helping. I get so excited trying to kill things before him that I take a ton of damage xD
pastel jolt
but yeah - you will always get whatever the reward shown over the door was in a thanatos room, but if you kill the same or more enemies as him, you get a free centaur heart from him in addition
it's an entirely valid strategy to just let thanatos kill things if you're not feeling up to actually competing
impressive. you censored one word and not the other.
turbid needle
I guess that's because NOBODY LIKED hades rooms with "Take No Damage"
pastel jolt
well, no, the "take no damage" rooms got taken out and put into the infernal gates instead.
turbid needle
because nobody liked to get that without knowing that
Imagine that in Elysium rooms with 40 flaming wheels
and no, you don't take a boon because some troll minion exploded on you
pastel jolt
yeah, that'd suck
turbid needle
to be honest...
I still hate souls in Elysium... they feel so much like artifical difficulty
pastel jolt
thanatos rooms in elysium are great because witches are easy to kill and you can pop the shades after thanatos kills them and they'll count to your score anyways
hasty wraith
I noticed that too
turbid needle
and right now those damn little chariots feel so damn overtuned
at least for me... and somebody thought it's also great idea to give them armor
calm ember
They are easy to knockback or stun-lock though
I haven't had any trouble with them. It's the Greatshields that get on my nerves.
robust garden
yo lads what weapon should i try a heat runw ith
graceful jackal
Is anybody else having an issue where the cursor changes to normal and you can’t attack/move?
woven summit
hey guys i just finished with a build focusing on the bow's special, playing quite like i have the shot gun, and it was so fantastic
lost rose
right?? it can be hard to line up boons and hammers so it's really effective but if you can get the right stuff it's absurd