Nah, Explosive Return is when you start barrel-stuffing people with a 150% damage increase on your Special and pop stuff for 200 damage at a ridiculous rate.
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
I picked it up for the second time ever earlier tonight and used it almost exclusively in the Theseus fight.
Also got a Lambent Plume proc against the Soul Eater miniboss, which was cool.
turbid needle
I really want a stacked Zeus run with Splitting Bolt and Dread Flight.
rose pawn
Some of the buffs are insane
turbid needle
Chaos and I have a love/hate relationship.
short jasper
I miss my Dionysus-Zeus duo. That should have been a winning run and I lost at the last second
turbid needle
Sometimes they give me monster bonuses. Other times they give me Shrouded, Stabbing, and Slothful boons in the middle of a really stacked run and I go play something else for the rest of the day.
rose pawn
Ah yea that sucks
short jasper
I took a Stabbing boon just before the Fury once... learned my lesson there.
turbid needle
I skip Stabbing. Every time. Same with Shrouded. Slothful can be played around. The other two cannot.
Shrouded especially gives me Curse of the Blind Isaac PTSD flashbacks.
It's not AS bad, because Supergiant actually knows how to balance a Roguelite and not give you explicitly detrimental items, but the idea that I could be missing Artemis or Obols or Hammers and get a million Ambrosias instead...
Or Heat.
I've already got well over 300.
short jasper
I just dump my heat and keys at the broker as much as I can
junior cypress
Thus it begins..I'm starting a 120 heat run
I can already feel the water of the respawn pool
turbid needle
Good luck.
junior cypress
That last statue better be creative
turbid needle
Well, keys are useful for Troves.
turbid needle
But any Heat past 200 is actually worthless until they expand the Pact more.
short jasper
Yeah, I hold onto around 10 keys at a time
signal viper
is there a way to, like, NOT use up all your DDs from the new dio trial of the gods? that absolutely ravaged me and it looked like there truly was nothing i could do about it
glossy talon
Haven't ran into it yet, so no idea
turbid needle
The new Trials are absolutely brutal.
signal viper
i've only seen one other thus far and it was poseidon
turbid needle
I made the mistake of picking Zeus over Athena on a triple damage Heat run and lost all but one of my DDs.
Poseidon's is still not bad.
signal viper
and truly that was more fun than anything
turbid needle
Athena has always been monstrous, but the damage ticks make it even worse now.
signal viper
dio's though, Blood and Darkness
than-aoe-sized circles, one for each enemy, that pulsated 5(?) times and did 10 damage on each pulse
turbid needle
That's gonna be a "Yikes" from me, dawg.
signal viper
imagine my surprise seeing that midway through tartarus on max extra enemies from heat
went from full health (max 150) and 3 DDs to 0 DDs and almost dead
- it was in the chamber with the bottom wall filled in with spike traps
so no kiting along the edge
and i couldn't choose to use my shield special to try to be ranged because of an in-progress chaos boon
heady zephyr
Zeus is pretty good now honestly
His cast is great at clearing out trash mobs quick
junior cypress
FIRST TRY BOIS!!
turbid needle
Nice!
turbid needle
We got a screenshot incoming?
signal viper
congrats
turbid needle
Whoa, you ran with only 500 Darkness?
junior cypress
57.5% on the butterfly
signal viper
sure is silly seeing those bests at 25, 29, 25, 25, 120
junior cypress
"That escalated quickly"
Now to see that statue
It's actually pretty cool looking
Hmmm...now what do I do?
junior cypress
It's only downhill from here, then
I find it funny how my 60 heat attempts were in the double digits but by 120 heat run was won on the first attempt.
turbid needle
Is there any way to reset a run outside of clearing or dying entirely?
signal viper
i see a give up button on the pause menu
turbid needle
Doing that gives you the same run if you restart.
signal viper
oh yeah then idk
turbid needle
You just have to pick different paths if you want to change any of it.
signal viper
maybe i reset this and get my DDs back
atomic star
Am I crazy, or does it seem that Hermes "cast speed" + Ares Blades makes the damage "tick faster"
These things are ripping apart enemies at an unprecedented speed
signal viper
neat interaction if it does
empty crow
Damn, the input buffering changes are amazing
inland hawk
is it just me, or is the third area easy? 🤔
I only played once in the last 2 month, now I gave the game another try, first run-through, first time I managed to get to the newest area and I killed the final boss in that first run 🤔
deep folio
hey does anyone know if you take off than's butterfly in a middle of a run between area's if you loose the damage you got from not getting hurt?
rocky sage
Well not everyone is a special boi like u
inland hawk
I mean I could have 1.) been lucky with the boons or 2.) been too experienced because I played area 1-2 a lot in earlier versions, that's why I wanted to ask how others felt about it 🤷
area 2 took me way more tries to beat at first
sour gale
nah area 3 is way harder than 2
deep folio
Third area hard you mostlikely got lucky with boons but it should take less time to beat the bosses because you are familiar with the controls
sour gale
am i the only one who finds hermes really underwhelming? i took that multiple dash one and it almost killed an amazing run
junior cypress
"Greatest Reflexes" is currently one of the worst boons in the game
sour gale
its so bad, theres no way to keep track of your dashes so you always run out with a spear in your bum
junior cypress
The rest of the stuff from Hermes is actually pretty good
Just avoid that one black sheep and you'll be golden
sour gale
okay well i havent played that much so thats good to hear
junior cypress
A favourite of mine is the automatic cast boon he gives you
Makes casts super safe to use because there's basically no end lag when you use them
Aside from the fact that you can spam them even faster than before
sour gale
i never really tried to make a cast build, ill try i out
plush blaze
Zeus cast build is super fun
junior cypress
Pffft, never mind Zeus's cast. The Bayblade master himself is where it's at
Ares and Art can turn any arena into an elongated blender if you use their boons together
pastel jolt
speaking of the hot wheels
how the heck are you supposed to fight them
no matter what i do it seems like i eat 10 damage per kill and it’s about the only thing in elysium, besides the bosses, that does damage to me
indigo tangle
Dash like a bat out of hell and try to land those Adamant Rail shots
I find that Aphrodite/Zeus can get rid of them easy
Also, try and get either the shotgun/explosive or infinite ammo upgrades, if you want to lay the demonic smackdown
pastel jolt
alright
pastel jolt
i backread feedback a little bit and the suggestion of taking out dash attack bonuses on bow runs made me want to die inside ;-; the dash attack is the best way to use to bow what are you SAYING
turbid needle
Is there any build where taking the Heavy Slug (single shot, 80 base dmg) hammer upgrade for the Rail makes sense? So far it feels quite underwhelming to me. The very low rate of fire reduces the efficiency of any attack boon, it doesn't apply any kind of status effect like a shot stagger/stun, does not pierce, does no extra damage to armour, no bonus for long range "sniper" shots... It's just re-balancing damage for rate-of-fire in a game where a higher RoF seems to be generally more advantageous. But maybe I'm missing some really cool build where it shines...
pastel jolt
i had a nice run with heavy slug and artemis attack once
heavy slug makes rail get more benefit out of percentage-based boosts, anyways
hard holly
Think of it as a better double shot bow
turbid needle
Does the math check out? The heavy slug seems to be slightly faster than shooting a full 12 round mag with the standard rail, so let's just be conservative and say both have the same dps. Don't all the percentage based boons apply per round? So Artemis would give me 1 chance to trigger a crit in the time the unmodified rail has ~8 separate chances to trigger a crit each time.
I haven't had my caffeine yet, so I might be wrong.
pastel jolt
bigger numbers good
shut coyote
Heavy slug is silly with stacked crit. You delete enemies off the map with a click
heady zephyr
https://i.imgur.com/WUogRrj.jpg artillery build...pretty fun
heavy slug is badass but it's hard to aim with a dash attack build
turbid needle
Guess I'll have to give that a try, thanks for the infos
heady zephyr
triple bomb with empowering blast is very fun, although not entirely practical
combined with zeus attack w/ jolted, it shreds enemies, but it has a lot of setup
also got poseidon on the bombard and the poseidon/zeus duo that makes enemies take lightning when knocked away
turbid needle
Am I really the only one who doesn't "feel" any positive changes with the input buffering changes? Because most attacks for me feel more sluggish and less responsive now :S
heady zephyr
what weapons are you using?
rocky sage
Also I thought the Zeus upgrade won't have such a good synergy with the slug and itd be better with idk ares or something
turbid needle
I tried with the sword, the gun and the bow where it felt more sluggish
especially the sword
at least I still can't reliably charge-attack with the shield weapon, but I think it's just me being dumb
heady zephyr
shield charge attack is pretty straightforward? i mean it doesn't have a power attack like the bow, does it?
rocky sage
Also on what percentage is butterfly worth keeping over other keepsakes
It actually has a Daedalus hammer upgrade to do it
Lol
heady zephyr
honestly, i started running butterfly and i don't foresee myself going back to any others
rocky sage
When I use the rail I just use distant memories
heady zephyr
it's too easy to clean up in tartarus and get like 25% extra damage by the time you fight the furies
distant memory is also solid actually
i'm curious, does distant memory work on the bombard as well?
heady zephyr
nice
heady zephyr
so just launch and dash away then huh
rocky sage
Apparently
I'll check in this patch to see if it works
Didn't get my hands on the computer much
heady zephyr
i havn't had any issues with the input buffering per se, but i'm crashing more often than not at thsi point
does EGS have a cache verify function like steam?
rocky sage
What was changed with the buffering ?
heady zephyr
you can buffer the dash input while attacking and vice versa, i believe
heady zephyr
so builds that are dash>attack>dash>attack should work better now
in my experience the dash input itself buffers well, but the direction for the dash doesn't necessarily
rocky sage
That's bad
turbid needle
EGS has an option to verify game files, I think it's the same as steam's option
you just have to right-click a game in your library and select "verify" I think
wait, the input buffering only affects dashing?
because I felt there was a change in how specials and attacks cancelled/buffered into each other instead
heady zephyr
yeah i did just verify it, nothing missing, so not sure what's up
@turbid needle well apparently lots of animations with recovery frames can have dashes buffered after them
reloading, recovering the spear after a spin attack, casting, etc.
turbid needle
were you able to dash-cancel out of them before the update or did you have to time the dash instead?
heady zephyr
you could definitely dash cancel reload before, not sure about the others
now you can buffer them all, as far as i can tell
dire bear
I really wanted to post this in the feedback section but did anyone else notice that flurry blade dropped inputs making it almost pointless to even take it from the Daedalus Hammer upgrades?
turbid needle
ah yeah, I tried the dash-buffering and it's pretty noticable. I guess for me it feels kinda weird to buffer something like dashing, as I'm used to have buffered anything other than dashing
in my mind dashing is something that should be instant, but I guess I can get used to it now that I'm conscious of it
so if it didn't cancel attacks/specials before, I guess buffering is better than just dropping the input
@flurry blade: I just had a run with that and didn't see any problems
did you take any speed buffs?
peak smelt
placid silo
shut coyote
were there any changes made to athena's trial? i'm not noticing any
pearl willow
the deflect pulse deals damage and i think may knock you back as well. i noticed that they can sometimes spawn near directly under you with the pulse active as well.
shut coyote
ah alright, i'm doing a shield run at the moment so i'm knocking all over the place. might be happening then!
graceful bough
Thanatos' appearances feel so unbalanced.
33% of the time, he utterly destroys me.
33% of the time, I utterly destroy him.
33% we're pretty even.
plucky oxide
All things considered those are some pretty balanced odds
plain crypt
Yeah, those would be pretty balanced. But I find it to be much more heavily skewed towards he destroys me most runs
Even in runs that are going well and may end up with a win
pastel jolt
i've only lost to him once, and that was in an asphodel room where everything spawned with armour and i just didn't have the tools to take things out before he did
pastel jolt
if you have a decent knowledge of enemy health and whatnot you can prioritise targets - like, i know witches are pretty easy to take out, so i can snipe those before he gets them
plain crypt
Does Thanatos get boosted by heat?
plain crypt
Okay, it's probably just playing runs with high health that I was thinking of
I meant rate of casting it
pastel jolt
i don't play with heat enabled
plain crypt
Oh okay, that might explain only losing once then
pastel jolt
what can i say, game feels challenging enough without using the pact
anyway increasing enemy health would certainly make it harder to win since thanatos laughs at the idea of not oneshotting things
plain crypt
Before I was using health maxed out from heat most runs, so that's probably why I would almost always lose
Now I have changed up what heat setup I use most runs though
pastel jolt
i mean....... of course that makes thanatos's rooms harder................
plain crypt
More fun to take more damage rather than have to deal way more damage
I just mean when you said you only lost once I was thinking "do I completely suck?"
twilit niche
Has anyone tried Artemis' trueshot boon in elysium yet?
Sounds like its perfect there
plain crypt
Yeah, I'm really excited to give it a go as well
wheat elbow
So here is my observation
Dionysus + Aphrodite almost always equals to be a great run
Also, I said it before, I say it again
Dionysus + Zeus is hilariously overpowered
graceful bough
Why does the giant gorgon head sometimes just wonder out over the lava of her own free will?
wheat elbow
Hard to say
If you get close to her and attack her, she always tries to distance herself from here, even to the very edge of the map.
If you distance yourself from her and wait, she will come out.
It's one of my least favorite fights because unless you are OP, the fight will be tedious
plain crypt
@wheat elbow Are you saying the actual duo boon? Or just using a general combination of their boons?
rich comet
Dionysus has always felt like one of the weaker boon sets to me
but i might just be bad
hard holly
He's only good on rail and maybe spear, and Zeus is sometimes better even there
But he is better than Ares and now Athena, so
pearl willow
i'll take athena over zeus or dio 100% of the time unless its rail
wheat elbow
@plain crypt Both!
People get the idea that Dionysus is only good if you can apply Poison stacks, not so!
I mean, let us just look at what Poison does.
rugged apex
fyi each poison stack has its own timer - I think if you're at max stacks it just refreshes the oldest one?
rich comet
i still really like athena with the sword
wheat elbow
Let us not even go that far
hard holly
It's just ludicrously outclassed by Broseidon now
wheat elbow
Let's take Blight Strike, the attack Dio boon at common rarity
That's 4 damage every 0.5 seconds for 5 seconds
That means that every attack you do will basicly deal 40 more
rugged apex
which is 40 damage total, assuming you hit once and never hit again.
wheat elbow
Pretty sure it's 40
wheat elbow
And you will hit again, so the ticks just keep adding up
At 5 stacks, that will be a steady 20 damage ticking down on the enemy every 0.5 seconds
If you were to just let that run off, you will have dealt enough damage to kill most simple enemies
rugged apex
this is a ton of damage.
the only downside is it's not as fast as other stuff and you have to do some math to figure out how much you're getting.
wheat elbow
You don't.
hard holly
It also doesn't tick 10 times ,I believe
wheat elbow
Once you know that Blight Strike is the second weakest of the poison appliers
hard holly
For that matter common should be 2, not 4
wheat elbow
paired with the fact that 4 is common
Blight Strike is the Attack, that starts at 4 pretty sure
The dash starts at 2
Special is stronger than attack, with the Wrath effect being the strongest with....was it 10 at common? 8 or 10
Then there is the point that Poison is a one-boon debuff that will work towards prefered status.
Quick reminder that the only gods in the game who can apply negative status effects with just one boon are Ares, Aphrodite and Dionysus
Thus, grabbing Dionysus early has a big chance to get your damage to spike early which will help you through Tartarus and Asphodel greatly.
Then there is a huge amount of modifications to his poison effects that help you deal with groups, control enemies or just make you deal more damage
Taking Festive Strike becomes a non-issue because of how much damage comes from your blight dot, you will not miss out on the dislodged damage buff at all, BUT
if you manage to stay true to Dionysus, you will get his legendary which by itself is twice as strong than just the dislodging damage buff
And then there is the huge amount of utility and defense he offers
He has so many life giving, life increasing or damage reducing effects
Paired with the fact that he has a duo boon together with Zeus who also does not care about cast damage buffs and Aphrodite who is a very strong early game goddess as well
but also Ares who can enhance most of these factors with just one good doom boon and you got yoursef an amazing run.
Regarding weapons, you can make'em all work because no matter what weapon you grab, you will spam anyway
hard holly
32 at common, 48 at epic
wheat elbow
Assuming your weapon attack deals 30 damage (which is what most weapons do), you would need a god to give you 100%+ damage to reach that
hard holly
Yeah which Poseidon does
wheat elbow
Yes, but Poseidon does not give you a debuff on top of that damage
hard holly
And Artemis thanks to crit
wheat elbow
also, I am sure that Poseidon does not give you 100% at common rarity
wheat elbow
So it will be less on lower rarities than that for 1
hard holly
I think rare actually
wheat elbow
you get no debuff for pref status until you maybe meet him again later
hard holly
Only slightly except it's faster
wheat elbow
AND that is of course assuming that your weapon actually deals 30 damage.
hard holly
Plus that 50% is additive
So it's not as big of a deal as it used to
Well
A lot of weapons do more
wheat elbow
Spear has the strongest attack
hard holly
Regardless, Dio is fine, he just scales worse and is baseline worse for several weapons/hammer upgrades
wheat elbow
100 on a full charge
hard holly
Yup
wheat elbow
He really isn't.
He is very strong
and get's stronger the longer the fight and the game goes on
hard holly
Bow does up to 120
wheat elbow
Add to that that he also synergizes greatly will all gods
Bow by default does not go up to 120
wheat elbow
With hammer, yes
But you can also use upgrades that make the hammer better
Shot gun rail for instant 5 stacks
As an example
pastel jolt
not to interrupt but god DAMN that was a fun run
hard holly
Eh, if you Poseidon you usually oneshot anyway
wheat elbow
@pastel jolt What made it different from other Crit Artemis runs?
hard holly
Kind of the problem, by the time Dio ramps up, the enemy is dead
The difference in speed is a big deal
wheat elbow
It is
and he provides that thanks to quickly applying pref status.
That 50% asap is a huge deal
And it applies to everything else you do
Last run I played that I will upload tomorrow, I had a sword run focused on Dio and Ares
pastel jolt
splitting bolt and zeus dash with amped up lightnign strikes, mostly
also twin explosive shot
hard holly
It's nice to have
wheat elbow
Twin Explosive shot is lalways glorious.
Especially now that they buffed explosive shot
You had to charge it fairly long even after dashing before
now you can just fire and explode in a flash
calm sable
sub 25 with bow! 
All of my weapons are either sub 20 or around that, with bow chilling at like 28 minutes LOL
I don't know how to play fast with it
pastel jolt
dash attacks, never don't be dashing, shoot all the things, win
calm sable
See I have a handle on that part
I just don't end up clearing rooms as fast as I do with other weapons
Maybe I should try a more dedicated Artemis run again
been levelling up all the other keepsakes
plucky oxide
Aphro Dio is insanely strong, yeah.
Two boons in and you've already got privileged status, and with Aphro's new damage %'s, you can focus on her and just use poison to proc the status.
In fact, I think both values need to be looked at, just because of how accessible privileged status are to both gods. Putting aphro's damage %s so high is insane.
wheat elbow
Same could be said about Ares.
His doom damage is insanely high now and he is another status
Aphro is in a league of her own because she not only brings extra damage but also makes enemies deal less
plucky oxide
Yeah, it wasn't necessary to boost Ares' damage in my eyes.
wheat elbow
It was because I really wasn't a big fan of Doom before in many a case
plain crypt
Yeah, I agree. I already thought the doom numbers were more than fine
plucky oxide
If anything this update has just made my runs feel more secure, across the board. So that's neat.
pastel jolt
[raises hand] aphrodite's damage is only slightly higher than athena's used to be, just fyi
wheat elbow
And there is also the factor that Ares had next to nothing meaningful to make doom work for you
plucky oxide
Athena's was always insane, but her damage also didn't proc 1/2 of privileged status without investment.
wheat elbow
Also, I wasn't all that font of Athenas debuff
whenever I took it, it was for priv status
pastel jolt
pre-highspeed athena had +40% attack and +70% special
post-highspeed aphrodite has +45% attack and +80% special
wheat elbow
And even then, it was still a two boon investment where Ares, Aphro and Dionysus could give you the same for one boon
@ember nymph Dash before you press LMB, it makes you charge much faster.
pastel jolt
post-highspeed poseidon, for comparison, has +60% attack and +100% special
wheat elbow
Focus on getting Artemis boons.
pastel jolt
this is all at common rarity btw
wheat elbow
It's the prefered way to cheese the game
ember nymph
I did get a couple but the damage is still too slow to compare to a lot of other sutff
Even with a faster charge, the damage is rather low.
pastel jolt
i mean, i think it's quite fast
ember nymph
I took double shot
wheat elbow
or tripple shot (or any combination of that)
pastel jolt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
plucky oxide
It's steady and consistent ranged damage with good kiting capabilities. It's got a rhythm esque gameplay to it
Just play Aphro + Dio, with Dio on special.
wheat elbow
Oh yeah, Dio on bow special = Instant stacks
ember nymph
I did only get the gamed yesterday but it's the only weapon I can't use
Even the sword has the nova at the least
minor mauve
Finally managed to get a build around dio/zeus duo going recently. Very strong, though it required alot more effort to get going than some other duos like athena/artemis
plucky oxide
It's the weapon with the highest learning curve, from a mechanical level.
ember nymph
So there is nothing special that I am missing from the bow
plucky oxide
What you're missing is time invested in the weapon to understand its own strengths. You're probably comparing it to other weapons still.
Not as fast as rail, not as spammy as shield
ember nymph
I mean, should I not? It deals 40 damage on a powershot.
plucky oxide
It's a good weapon. If I were to judge weapons by their base traits and nothing else, then I'd be ignoring 80% of the game.
rugged apex
the bow trades outright power for range and the ability to stay out of danger while still doing damage.
ember nymph
Right and that is why I asked what I am missing
The rail does that too, with the bombard, except larger aoe and more damage
minor mauve
Worth remembering the bow has an innate pierce on attacks - without thw hamner
plucky oxide
It's the flexibility, kiting, and consistency of bow that has those with high playtimes really enjoying the weapon. Rail lacks the same amount of stagger and immediacy, and is generally considered the less-safe ranged weapon.
Though you can swap out your safety for some additional lethality with bow as well.
unkempt pagoda
also bow doesn't run out of ammo
plucky oxide
I will say that I find bow often lacks flavor in its hammer upgrades. But that is quickly forgotten when I'm on a Dio run with two special oriented hammers on my bow.
ember nymph
How is the bow flexible?
unkempt pagoda
ye bow hammers don't really change the weapon a lot
pastel jolt
rail special is painful to use on controller and that makes me sad because it looks super fun
minor mauve
I'd love a hammer upgrade for the bow that transforms the special entirely
Short range, 360 aoe or something
median ridge
with the right build you can get over a thousand damage on a single bow shot
plucky oxide
Piercing. Staggers. Different rates of fire. Spread attacks, single target damage. Ability to dash cancel out of your attacks. Always able to deal damage at any time.
unkempt pagoda
no delay between aiming and damaging
ember nymph
Always able to deal damage at any time? Compared to...?
unkempt pagoda
unlike rail special
more damage at a faster rate without stopping to reload or waiting for your special to hit
dash attack actually does something
plucky oxide
Rail's reload animation, and the special's travel speed, yeah
Gosh, the dash attack is so GOOD
ember nymph
Seriously how does the bow deal more damage, it's 30
unkempt pagoda
on a single hit, non charged
plucky oxide
Dash, power shot, dash, power shot. You're looking at amazing damage .
unkempt pagoda
but you're not just doing a single hit then running around doing nothing, you're constantly dashing and shooting for 40
if you get the power shot, twin shot, or triple shot hammers, your damage goes super high, especially if you get artemis as well
special hammers and boons also have amazing shotgun potential
median ridge
between just a perfect shot hammer and an artemis dash boon you’re looking at 200% damage increase and that’s not even touching attack boons yet
artemis on attack can triple that amount, and with twin shot that number can double again
ember nymph
No hold up, I did get double shot with crit and it was still a lot lower than like a bombard build
unkempt pagoda
were you doing the dash-powershot-dash strat
ember nymph
I was doing a lot of powershots, but not the dashes
unkempt pagoda
dash attack makes your charge go a lot faster
plucky oxide
So you got two boons. Dash attack, and Artemis crit. You're dealing a steady amount of damage, power shotting, following enemies and kiting around their attacks to get backstabs. You're constantly firing and weaving about, piercing through foes.
Your build can then be augmented by: getting even more crit damage, or crit chance, or Chaos boons targeted towards dash attack or attack.
Most of not all attack powers boost the damage you're dealing even more, sometimes doubling or even tripling your potential output.
However. This requires a steady rhythm, good mechanical skill to stay in the fight, with good game knowledge to avoid enemy attacks. It's a tough weapon to use, in comparison to a long range Massive aoe that lets you focus on kiting for the 1-3 seconds your damage is in the air. All weapons in this game are plenty viable, and bow stands unique amongst Zag's arsenal. Though I do see how it'd be difficult to favor how early into your play time when so many other options are available.
wheat elbow
Bow crit builds are strong and nice, but I feel like they can end up being rather.
Maybe that is one of the reasons why I like Dinysus so much. He actually adds to your gameplay by making your casts a factor that matters greatly (among other things) both in terms of damagedealing but also strategic placement of fog
ember nymph
Dionysius best god fite me
plucky oxide
Right now Aphro is best god in my eyes. She just does so much.
ember nymph
Dio is a bro.
plucky oxide
Weakness + Achilles Bracers into final zone is just... Too good. Lets me lean into even more offensiveness.
rugged apex
even just bracer is pretty good for just going ham on theseus
if you have enough damage
plucky oxide
40% mitigation from one keepsake is insane.
wheat elbow
@ember nymph I will fight with you, together against all the blasphemers
ember nymph
Though I gotta say, if Hephaestus ever gets added, I am migrating to his side
wheat elbow
Aphrodite + Dionysus + maybe Athena should be the most tanky build
ember nymph
He has automatons
wheat elbow
I kinda want them to replace hammers with Hephaestus
plucky oxide
Ares is my favorite portrait. Artemis has my favorite boons. Dio is my favorite personality.
proud storm
poseidon everywhere https://i.imgur.com/7CMHWOo.jpg
rugged apex
admittedly I kinda think sword is the best weapon just because it has a really strong combo/attack pattern, but the other weapons all have tricks it doesn't, so
plain crypt
I feel like shield is still best
plucky oxide
Swords my favorite weapon.
Shield's the easiest clear.
Rail has the most unique flavors.
Bow keeps me the most engaged.
Spear keeps surprising me with fast times.
rugged apex
it happens!
ember nymph
There really needs to be a suicide button.
trim ingot
that's called lava
cold oriole
I honestly feel like relentless Barrage bow is the strongest weapon out there with the right perks
the sheer amount of damage you can spit out if you play it right is nuts
ember nymph
I would retort but I can't fight with someone with that name.
cold oriole
and you really only need one boon and one hammerr for like 90% combat effectiveness
also, thanks XD
ember nymph
Dusa best girl
cold oriole
#1 girl id go gay for
pastel jolt
'Trial of the Gods': reduced effectiveness of foes blessed by Dionysus oh thank god
plain crypt
Yeah, the relentless barrage can get insane
icy fjord
cold oriole
i just ran a clear with relentless and thunder
and i had like 87 on hit
plus dying lament and the ares one that gives you a big damage buff after you kill something
proud storm
nerfed hunting blades
cold oriole
relentless is amazing for that in particular because a single attack has so much potential dps in it, so once you proc it once its pretty easy to chain
cold oriole
ended up with a new clear time record
oh is THAT was was going on?
i got it on my first hermes
and was instantly tilted so hard i gave up the run XD
tulip timber
Gotta go WAY too fast:
https://ibb.co/1dvNDph
pastel jolt
alright, time to get that update and then go wiki again
tulip timber
Am not a fan of the extra dashes + dash recovery. Changes the game too much IMO, and I need my dash to be there when I expect it.
ember nymph
So what do you reckon Hephaestus could theoretically do?
cold oriole
guess it doesnt work on some rooms at all XD
pastel jolt
well, dan, good news
they literally just updated it so that it doesn't increase recovery time
hard holly
Yknow I dont want to complain about the vicious Skewer buff because it is a buff, but
tulip timber
Oh, rad. Hope I can manage a similar build / run then. I was all over the place.
hard holly
Just throwing bigger % increases at it isnt gonna solve the fundamental issue with it
unkempt pagoda
they nerfed zeus special right as i was in the middle of a zeus special run
plucky oxide
Oh gosh spear buffs to spin? Sounds like fun.
ember nymph
Hey what do you gain from giving people more ambrosia beyond the first one?
pastel jolt
more conversations
coarse hare
Hmm without the recovery time Great Reflex might be too strong now? Since it's just free dashes
wheat elbow
Daaamn, the patch notes
plucky oxide
And hooray, hunting blades looks to be tuned down.
pastel jolt
whoof, thunder flourish now does 30/37.5/40/60
cold oriole
ouch
plucky oxide
:<
pastel jolt
instead of 40/50/60/80
sinful kraken
plucky oxide
Epic vs Rare a 2.5 damage difference hahaha
cold oriole
looks like its back to posideon flourish
pastel jolt
ares getting kicked in the teeth, i see
plucky oxide
Oh no all the exalted souls are now elites in spirit catcher rooms
hard holly
What did they nerf on Ares
plucky oxide
Good. Tune that boy back.
pastel jolt
cast damage at higher rarity, black metal at higher rarity, hunting blades got reduced
oh goddamnit i hate when black metal gets changed
atomic panther
🇫 😔
pastel jolt
it's easily one of the biggest pains in the neck to do the math for
atomic panther
Sparrow, whenever a boon gets its numbers changed: Blood and Darkness, here we go again
hard holly
Why is that
tulip timber
Dem wiki updates. 😃
pastel jolt
because it means lots of numbers
hard holly
Whats the name of it in the files
pastel jolt
i'm already doing it, unovven, it's fine
hard holly
Alright
pastel jolt
black metal now goes 20/22/24%, down from 20/24/28%
plucky oxide
Biggest nerf in that list for me is to Artemis' marked. Darn.
hard holly
More of a bugfix, but yes
pastel jolt
marked was supposed to clear after critting since patch 020
tulip timber
Wonder if it was a reapplication problem. Or a lag in clearing resulting in a second crit which reapplied.
pastel jolt
oof, the speed increase on hunting blades got hit hard
plucky oxide
There goes my wacky synergy of just taking the 5% global crit chance and marked ; . ;7
tulip timber
Nothing done to my favorite duo boon: Scintillating Feast.
plucky oxide
Makes sense to change Hunting Blades speed so low, what with Hermes rapid fire
pastel jolt
i can't for the life of me work out how to turn the numbers i'm seeing here into, uh, user-friendly numbers, but the speed increase went from +80 to +20
hard holly
Im assuming the problem is
tulip timber
Is that % of base speed?
hard holly
+80 what
pastel jolt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tulip timber
Hah.
pastel jolt
base speed for ares cast is listed as 250, if that helps
pastel jolt
anyways i'm basically just going to, uh, leave it until someone gets the nerfed homing blades and can tell me what the game says
tulip timber
80 Jows per Scrupulum.
plucky oxide
I mean, the main reason Ares Hunting Blades is so great is that it paths on enemies. It maxes out the damage it can do to stationary big targets. The fact that it'd sit on an enemy, chew then up, and then find another enemy by rubbing across that map, was a bit excessive.
tulip timber
Now Zagreus will never win the Beyblade tournament.
tough echo
Blessed the penalty removal on Hermes' Greatest Reflex.
tulip timber
For real. That almost ruined a run for me. 😃
I thought the new relic would be too hard to stack but it's not so bad.
I mean, it's really hard in most of Elysium. But the first two biomes are doable.
pastel jolt
okat so max-charge massive spin does 450 damage
proud storm
excuse me what
tulip timber
Boonless?
plucky oxide
I was already spinning to win at 18-20 minutes last night. Time to break some new boundaries for me.
tulip timber
That's super nuts.
pastel jolt
that's without a god buff, by the way.
i just picked up athena on attack so we'll see how that goes
hard holly
So if Im reading this right
proud storm
you sure you didnt typo that 450 damage
hard holly
Max Spin Charge baseline does 150 damage
And Massive Spin now gives 200% extra damage
pastel jolt
nope, not a typo
plucky oxide
Any last words, Zagreus?
Let's get dizzy.
Wait, wha-
1542!
hard holly
Yeesh
proud storm
huh
hard holly
If only Explosive Launcher could get that kinda buff :S
pastel jolt
pastel jolt
okay but it's doing a couple hundred even when i don't fully charge
hard holly
Should be uh
pastel jolt
instant got replaced with double, btw
hard holly
Hold on whats the %upgrade on your god boon
hallow crow
still really strong
proud storm
not to be a negative nancy but as much as i love the spear this... wasnt really needed lmao
proud storm
yeah
hard holly
Wack
I never noticd
Yknow, funny thing is, I dont think its that overtuned
But
Probably should make quick and big spin exclusive now
proud storm
fun corner https://streamable.com/6ej9n
pastel jolt
i really wish hermes would give me faster attack
plucky oxide
Hermes is so weirrrd
pastel jolt
i'm doing 700 damage per spin now btw
wheat elbow
Yo guys
these spear upgrades
They seem pretty good to me!
1700 damage crits, sure, why not!
plain crypt
nice time
hard holly
Well, got massive spin
pastel jolt
okay, i'm at 8:18 going into the hydra fight
hard holly
Time to try for a fast clear
pastel jolt
i'm going to eat before i go further bc it is very hard to play when all i can smell is tonight's curry,,
plain crypt
still probably too slow and risky for whipped frenzy and what not
wheat elbow
The run could have been faster but I wasn't even in for a fast run
hard holly
I mean Hermes
wheat elbow
even did an infernal trove in Tartarus
I only started to go faster when I went into meg fight at like four'ish minutes and that I could deal 1000 damage to her
(also wasted some time here and there just not being efficient)
Elysium felt like it took forever because it threw a wave of 4 shielders with me.
pastel jolt
you CAN beat thanatos in elysium
ember nymph
Dope
I actually encountered Thanatos for the first time today
Beat him with a Nova crit build
It crits for like 250
rocky sage
I suck at the game looking at chat oof
just completed the game with hear for the first time
wheat elbow
Beating Thanatoast in Elysium is arguably easier in Elysium than anywhere else imo
The exalted droipping their cores help immediatly
pastel jolt
let's see if i win
pastel jolt
yeah, you're right
your spin cancels if you're hit
i'm gonna record, and actually turn off flux this time
hard holly
If Quick and Massive Spin become exclusive
This might be fine?
Maybe tone down the % a bit
rugged apex
I sure wish battle rage didn't disappear on misses
median ridge
so how exactly do hunting blades behave currently?
median ridge
that seems fair honestly. especially with vicious cycle now in the picture
those two things combined are just silly
turbid needle
:shadesmile: Exalted reinforcements in the Soul Catcher mini-boss encounter are now Elites
Okay which one of you sadists asked for this 
proud storm
outrunning asterius https://streamable.com/vqqla
oak harbor
am i the only one having problems with dash attack?
shut coyote
nope i can never tell when i'm doing it correctly or whether i'm doing it at all
pastel jolt
i don't have problems with dash attack
median ridge
wait....there’s a soul-catcher mini-boss fight?
i’ve done like 6 runs since the speedy patch and have never seen it
are the soul catchers the pink things with the butterflies?
proud storm
yes
light nova
Guys, how blinding flash works? It increases backstab damage?
proud storm
yes
pastel jolt
it only increases backstab damage on exposed enemies
plain crypt
Yeah the only time I have fought that soul catcher I had the Aphrodite charm and just perma-charmed him
It was such a joke compared to the minotaur
Sort of surprising it can be charmed at all
median ridge
i’ve seen soul-catchers spawning in regular rooms but never anything that i would identify as a mini-boss
wheat elbow
Oh yeah, godbless the soul catcher miniboss
Easy fight, super fast, barely a problem
shut coyote
yeah it's pretty easy
wheat elbow
Compared to the horny boy, much easier by far
Being honest, I expected the second miniboss to be a possible solo encounter with Thesseus
(which they also should add imo)
median ridge
maybe i just keep getting unlucky with rng. ive seen asterius a lot
wheat elbow
Yeah
When you see a room in Elysium that gives you a boon and has a skull on it and something else that (usually) isn't a boon, there is a high chance that it will be a mini boss.
The earlier the higher the likelyhood of it being the big soul eater
tulip timber
Feels like they reduced Asterius's turning radius. Dude has a pivot foot now.
pastel jolt
oh, they did that a while ago
tulip timber
Maybe I just didn't notice cause too much ranged.
And all I was doing was blinking through posts.
Also, after much consideration, I think I would always prefer murder boat to megadusa.
turbid needle
I just took the Infinite Chamber and +3 dashes from Hermes, so I was able to kite enemies constantly 😃
plucky oxide
Dash runs with that Hermes boon sounds so much fun. Looking at you, Zeus 👀
Honestly, with Hermes added to the boon pool, it's hard not to run into the guy one or two times a run.
pastel jolt
i think that's kinda the point - i haven't had a run yet that hasn't bumped into him twice
plucky oxide
He feels pretty favored to show up, and not part of the normal pool.
Isn't that... weird?
I mean for playtesting purposes it's awesome, but I feel it's weird having him be the only ''secondary'' boon character.
I mean I'm all for guaranteed rng. I like that I have the option to have two hammers by the time I fight Theseus. It's just strange for a god boon to be thrown at you so consistently across all runs. Guess I'll have to get used to it!
celest lake
Hermes boons don't count as regular god boons. They function more like hammers.
If you have a keepsake from another god, you can still run into a Hermes boon before seeing one from them
pastel jolt
you can and i love it
celest lake
His icon should probably be tweaked to reflect its unique status
pastel jolt
why? his current one is fine imo
i mean, you are still getting a god boon, he just functions slightly differently
celest lake
It functions differently enough that I feel like it would benefit from the added clarity.
robust garden
unkempt pagoda
minor detail i like: hermes boons also glow a lot brighter too, you can see it in shops when compared to other god boons
his has a shine similar to a boon from a trial room
regal glade
I kinda wonder what Hermes Wrath/Trial of the gods would be like.
It would be funny to hear him during those.
pastel jolt
you rang
unkempt pagoda
nyoom
hard holly
My guess
Full time stop
Youre moving so fast everyone else looks like theyre frozen
fast shardBOT
Thanks for reporting a game freeze! The most common solution to this issue can be found in #hades-tech-fixes-old
hard holly
Goddammit proxy
pastel jolt
proxy pls
hard holly
Also Time in a bottle plays in the background
strong sleet
How fast is flurry strikes supposed to be? Because it looks so fast on my screen right now that it looks like a glitch
Never taken it before so someone shed some light on this
turbid needle
those 0 frames Aphrodite Hermes casts though
pastel jolt
oh god, that sounds amazing
i'm kinda sad that hermes never seems to give me exactly the boon i want because that would be..... so much fun,,
turbid needle
they are as fast as dash attacking rifle
pastel jolt
but also so noisy.
strong sleet
Ok not a glitch I guess
But it hurts my ear a little 😂
Speaking of Hermes boon, did they make a change to Greatest Reflex for no CD?
pastel jolt
yup! it’s in #hades-patch-notes
static goblet
Hey, first comment here. I don't know if it is my imagination or not but this patch felt insanely easier than others. I could use the spear and stun lock my way to asphodel fairly consistently, which is a surprise because I am pretty bad at the game.
native ether
spear has always been able to stunlock an enemy, but it doesn't do you much good past tartarus since there's lots of armored enemies in asphodel and beyond
and asphodel feels more swarmy. Its harder (for me at least) to focus on 1 enemy in Asphodel. I think the spear's damage was increased this patch though? That might be what you're feeling.
ah just the spin damage
unkempt pagoda
spin attack damage was increased
static goblet
maybe it was that plus the speed increase with hermes but I was literally able to eat a sandwich with one hand while I had the sword dudes stun locked in asphodel
heady zephyr
asphodel is totally possible with the spear if you get the chained throw
or probably the faster spin attack
static goblet
I did have that too, so maybe I just had two lucky runs in a row. It just seems that straight after a patch I was suddenly OP XD
native ether
you could have just gotten better too 😛
i myself havent noticed any real difficulty changes, even with the huge rebalances that came this patch
the only thing ive noticed is trials of the gods are much more difficult and I prefer to just avoid them now unless there's something like an Athena boon where I wont mind getting a common tier boon.
static goblet
It could just be that, I remember Alecto scared the crap out of me the first few times I fought her with the rage bar but it has been a few weeks since I played, I expected to have to ease back into the game but all of a sudden, I found myself powering through the game, it felt like all the moves were telegraphed far harder than I remember and I was genuinely surprised.
turbid needle
53
stable oyster
nice
unkempt pagoda
4 :V
turbid needle
rip streak I guess
well, flaming wheels op lol
to be honest...
way too op
I don't even imagine in my wildest dreams to play this game with heat lol
cold belfry
how i get fire skulls?
atomic panther
The Hydra drops 5, and they're available as room rewards (1 at a time) starting in Asphodel
woven summit
in the shop also
pearl willow
man i am so trash with heavy slug lol
woven summit
yeah it's quite like a sniper😋
ember lotus
It pairs well with Artemis
woven summit
and ares I think
ember lotus
But it was still so slow once armor became a thing
And I had hide breaker up, so I was blasting through armor
The problem was that I had to shoot everything at least twice
woven summit
ares's doom can help you
I always press special, cast, and shot at the same timw
😋
ember lotus
I've never tried that. Does that make it harder for the target to leave the special blast radius?
woven summit
I think when cast got the foes it'll pause for 0.5sec maybe (no armor)
atomic panther
Heavy Slug and cast both stagger, and if you have a good enough build can usually break armor in one or two hits (which also automatically staggers them) so landing the special is a lot easier
pearl willow
i just cant get the heavy slug dash attack rhythm right and i miss constantly without the bow reticle
atomic panther
Yeah, the dash attack is pretty bad with heavy slug since you really need the aim to make it great
woven summit
donnot press your keyboard or your mouse too hard, keep calm😄
cold belfry
no i say de fire not the normal skull
atomic panther
?
cold belfry
for open a thing in the weapon room
atomic panther
Those are the normal skulls. They're called Heat
atomic panther
Oh, those. There should be a discussion that Skelly has with you about that
You need to equip that much Heat in the Pact of Punishment and complete a run, then they unlock
Complete as in beat the current final boss
atomic panther
Happy to help!
rugged horizon
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plucky oxide
Yep! Had that happen to me the other day. Hermes drops in as he pleases.
autumn tapir
hades is so fast he appears anywhere
wide vessel
i'm sure it's just me being dumb but how do you get "Give Up" to appear on the pause menu?
autumn tapir
take damage in a room
wide vessel
ahhh, okay, thanks!
upbeat junco
Whats the highest special damage boon currently?
calm sable
I thiiiink Poseidon holds the highest damage title for both Attack and Special post-patch?
upbeat junco
I was thinking of trying a spear throw build but Poseidon doesn't seem like a good choice for that
whats next best?
mighty ermine
athena iirc?
calm sable
Artemis might be good
I think one of the spear throw hammers gives crit chance, right?
upbeat junco
yea vicious skewer
mighty ermine
right, was just thinking in terms of base damage added
upbeat junco
what was the crit chance of vicious skewer? wasn't it 50% or something
mighty ermine
20% now i believe
upbeat junco
hm :/
calm sable
I think spear special might be the only button in the game you can't completely build around, though I have also yet to properly try
upbeat junco
artemis is probs best then for extra crit if you get vicious
calm sable
Well, you can, just likely not with success 
plucky oxide
spear special was so amazing they had to tune it down, so I greatly doubt spear special's lack of viability
wheat elbow
Doom ticking for over 300 damage makes me very happy
coarse hare
Hmm so the dash attack for sword with world splitter upgrade is still just a regular thrust, which deals less damage
atomic panther
To be fair, having the dash attack deal 80 damage base would be absolutely insane
native ether
yeah things like that typically dont stack
that would likely be though because the game considers the "dash attack" and the "attack" separate moves
id assume you cant "dash attack" into a world splitter attack
atomic panther
You can't, no, and while that bit about dash attack and attack being separate moves is true, boons that affect attack also affect dash attack, and hammer upgrades like Explosive Shot affect Bow's dash attack (Heavy Slug affects the Rail's dash, as does the shotgun and Explosive Ammo)
hollow minnow
any advice on how to not die within the first 4 seconds when facing the Bull??????
plucky oxide
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523743368124301318/588947864504500224/nohammerjustspecial.png
atomic panther
World Splitter is a unique case in this, entirely because an 80 damage dash thrust would be ridiculous, not just by itself, but especially with the double thrust hammer upgrade
hollow minnow
I beat him and his friend on the first try, then a few weeks past and i have NO idea how i managed it ....
atomic panther
Shield helps immensely against Asterius, just hold it towards him as he charges and you block the whole thing
calm sable
hollow minnow
ohhhh....
I'm using the sword right now
My game got deleted so I was forced to start ALLLLL over. Seeing how much Ambrosia and Darkness and keys are in that screenshot HURTS SO MUCH. It's so fricking hard to earn even the amount requried for the mirror,,,,
native ether
any advice on how to not die within the first 4 seconds when facing the Bull??????
Focus heavily on surviving the fight instead of trying to kill him quickly. Until you really have his attack patterns down, Bull can be a nightmare to duel up and close. I personally recommend a ranged weapon, especially the rail, cause how much dodging you have to do fits the rail's "run and gun" playstyle.
bow would work too, its just slower for me
plucky oxide
I think shield is the safest weapon, especially since it doesnt need much to give you a huge amount of invincibility/block
hollow minnow
I have no idea how do use that weapon, but I could give that a try eventually....I'm great with the bow, though, but have never tried that in the 3rd area
native ether
I think especially with Asterius if you're playing Melee, shield is a safer bet with the blocking. In general, don't forget that after he does that overhead attack, he will either do another one of them right at your current position, or he'll do 2 large swings in your direction.
plucky oxide
man, do you guys sometimes get Asterius to swing really fast, with little telegraph?
native ether
and also, lead him into pillars when he's chasing you, the stun is an opportunity to deal some damage
hollow minnow
oh!! Okay, thanks!! 😄
plucky oxide
It'll happen right after his lunge attack, when i usually assume he's safe to hit
hollow minnow
I'm heading in.....
native ether
He also gets faster the lower his health is, and he turns corners better when chasing you at lower health.
native ether
ntm below 50% health he starts creating shockwaves with his attacks, so in general its just a fight you need to play very cautiously until you really got the attack patterns down
(oh and you only need to get him to 25% in the instance where he's by himself. He calls a time out like a little wimp and walks off)
hollow minnow
Welp! I "Beat" him! Like you just said, he just huffed and went away!!!
I'm surprised...'
he;s stupid hard.... 😮 😮 😮 😮
I only have 30 health left and I used up 3 Death Definances!!
😱
native ether
He gets easier with practice
wheat elbow
He never starts hitting you for less though.
I just recorded a less than 17 minutes run, that felt great
Could have gone even faster if I'd made one better decision
Spear Buffs are super strong
I still don't like the spear though, sadly.
turbid needle
spear is pretty OP
wheat elbow
It feels like everything that makes the spear good is frontloaded into the charge attack
There is never ever a real reason to use the special
Now less than before
turbid needle
nah man, get a curse buff on that spear and extended range, you'll be one shotting
wheat elbow
One shotting Numbskulls means nothing, friend.
It especially means nothing if your charge attack can literally one-shot enemies in Asphodel
turbid needle
No I mean you'll be one shotting basically anything in tartarus
and you beat meg pretty fast
wheat elbow
What is your fastest Tartarus clear so far?
turbid needle
it's really good because you can just tag an enemy and worry about the next one instead of having to focus on landing hits on enemies while avoiding damage
haven't time it, is there a room cosmetic that times it or something?
wheat elbow
There is somewhere in the settings
turbid needle
ahh, I'll have to check that out
wheat elbow
It counts your time playing, so conversations don't add to that.
The 17 Minute clear I had was like....a 26 minute video?
Roundabout
turbid needle
hm, lemme check it out real quick
Ah I see, I'll start timing my runs, it'd be interesting to see
wheat elbow
Enjoy yourself!
turbid needle
Is there any way to leave suggestions in feedback btw?
wheat elbow
I upload my runs every now and then in the #self-promotion channel, so come check them out, maybe we can compare notes later.
I don't know.
Would actually like to provide feedback myself
turbid needle
yeah, mine is pretty minor tbh
Whenever you select a gift it'll bug out and say you still have the previous one equipped even though you have the new one equipped
it's small but it'd add a bit of polish towards the full release
native ether
feedback is kinda also for suggestions
suggestions are kind of in line with "this is what I think the game is missing and it could use X" which I would classify as feedback
though the more typical intent of the channel is to provide feedback on how things feel
wheat elbow
Where can you provide it?
Because I have plenty of feedback to give
Regarding the spear, it is definitively a very strong weapon right now, but it feels terrible
because of the 3 ways to attack with it, basic attacks, regular attacks and the special, only one is viable and/or works well with the others
lost rose
check the pinned post in #hades-feedback for instructions on how to post
turbid needle
oh thanks
lost rose
By the way, bugs are not meant for the feedback channel
If you encounter bugs or glitches, you should report them with F10 in-game
turbid needle
yeah I saw, I just submitted the bug report
heady zephyr
if you have the blade rift dash you can just kite asterius forever pretty much
plucky oxide
this patch... is... insane....
I didn't even have that great of a synergy. That double nova is nuts.
wheat elbow
Absolutely!
Now imagine getting both Nova
Hammer upgrades
Only thing I dislike about Novas being that strong is that it makes regular attacks even more obsolete.
The only reason for them to still be there is to fill in space between two Novas
Which is decent for applying Status at the very least
What boons did you have?
placid silo
carmine briar
Is there a way to see the details of active boons mid run? I've pressed all the buttons on my controller but none seem to do the trick
next bison
I don't use a controller, but you can press "tab" to bring up a screen and mouse over things
tells you exact stats just like the end screen
carmine briar
Right, thanks, I had no idea I could do that 😃
next bison
no problem
pastel jolt
i use a 360 controller and it’s either left trigger or left bumper
plucky oxide
Jolted - Zeus Dash
Curse - Ares Attack
Double Special + Wider Radius - Artemis Crit
Absolutely insane. ran this three more times, with different dash effects popping up. Wow.
Comparing Sword's special to what it was when it first released, this thing is so quality of life. It's insane.
Would love to see Bow Special receive this kind of treatment.
But hooboy, why do all the AOE attacks in this game seem to hit far higher numbers than single target moves.
Whatev. Its fun to play, and thats what matters most, I guess.
So many different builds feel viable right now. So many different flavors, that my only complaints with the game have to do with silly things like 'wasted potential' in hammer upgrades for bow.
charred ruin
is hermes keepsake any good?
plucky oxide
Can increase the speed or your attack or special animations by 30%
I'd say that's pretty darn good
Can also augment your casts to become rapid firing, fully automatic.
charred ruin
it doesn't say the keepsake does that
tiny crow
thanatos keepsake for life
plucky oxide
I think, when stacked with other dodge boons from Hermes, it's awesome
charred ruin
i forgot what thanatos keepsake does
plucky oxide
But if I wanted damage mitigation, I'd take Achilles bracer on the final stage, when I actually need it, freeing up the other two floors for other things.
tiny crow
i usually just run thanny keepsake through the whole game
i got really good at thessus and aster
frank nymph
I do like how they gave Hermes a different keepsake style from the other gods though. It's more interactive and interesting than the other gods' style of keepsake.
next bison
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/522440966880231425/589026712768217092/unknown.png
All you really need is a charm, some other status effect, and a lot of health
next bison
btw this run with +250% dmg
tiny crow
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof
tbh thessus and aster aint that bad
just wayyyyyyy worse than hydra
frank nymph
I wonder if we'll get like a swap out of Theseus and Aster in the future like the Fury Sisters
frank nymph
maybe bring in Perseus or another great hero
frank nymph
I mean I would've said Heracles
tiny crow
you know what i mean
frank nymph
but specifically because they meme about him not showing
frank nymph
I would suggest Perseus or something
tiny crow
they're probs working their asses off on this final boss
frank nymph
Yeah I mean I guess at that point they'll be expanding what's beyond Elysium as their main focus
frank nymph
Even if the last biome isn't for a while I would love with some of the more medium changes like more gods or alternating bosses
Maybe see Apollo
tiny crow
the're definently adding more gods
200%
ive been trying to guess the last boss since thessus came out
still havent fully decided
frank nymph
You mean after Elysium?
tiny crow
yup
the "final boss"
theoretically it could be cerberus because he isnt allowed to let things leave the underworld without permission from hades
thats my thought atleast
frank nymph
That's a possibility
tiny crow
its my highest thought
frank nymph
If you do make it out of the underworld then you might have to fight Thanatos since "death is inevitable"
tiny crow
that or the reason zag was never told about persehpone was because something happened to her and she might not remember zag there for fighting your own mother
doubt it tho
frank nymph
I dunno about fighting Persephone
frank nymph
there might be some wrath from the gods awaiting you when they realise you haven't escaped the underworld to join Olympus
tiny crow
it will hurt to kill my favorite thing in mythology
but ill do it
end it god of war style fights zeus
jk
frank nymph
First we need to kill Ares and become the god of war