One is the legendary
#h1-builds-and-combat
hard holly
Which does upon dashing
One however is a normal one that goes up to 90% I believe that activates by running into enemies
pastel jolt
okay, would y'all be cool with it if i just uploaded hermes's boon table as it stands even though half the values aren't in place yet
waxen skiff
Go for it
pastel jolt
because i need to go to Bed
fossil moat
sure
waxen skiff
@pastel jolt Sorry I wasn't tracking stuff so much (was trying to get as many runs in as possible). Next time I'll keep values for you
pastel jolt
it's fine, honestly
i'm pulling numbers out of the files, i asked about the cast thing because i was convinced my math was bad
waxen skiff
Gotcha
fossil moat
Guess I didnt help w/ that one 😅 soz man
wheat elbow
Uploaded two gameplay videos of the new update.
If you love seeing people lose for reasons, the first one in the self promo channel will be for you
waxen skiff
I guess I'll ask here as well. What do people recommend for an extra 20 heat on top of whipped frenzy?
pastel jolt
i will at least upload the boon icons before i go to bed
fossil moat
@waxen skiff try some shared misery.
some pain tolerance
I usually go for max since you get more gold from it
fossil moat
try it w/ a zues run
chain/explosive
most of the options are gonna increase your kill time. If you wanna go full hardcore, max out vicious torment 😈
waxen skiff
ugh. no
waxen skiff
I've done runs high on VT and it always go terribly
pastel jolt
there we go. hermes now has a bare-bones boon table with some values filled in but most left as placeholders
all the boons have icons
waxen skiff
Thanks!
waxen skiff
Missing from the front page fyi
calm ember
What's the opinion on Heaven's Vengeance"? I've never used it.
pastel jolt
i can't add him to there
fossil moat
@calm ember The zues boon? High damage for free
It's good if there aren't other better ones
waxen skiff
It's fine. It has the downside of all the revenge boons in that you really don't want to be activating them
calm ember
I was wondering cause I've seen it so many times but there always seems to be a better option.
I've also started noticing these "Descend" potholes that I'd never seen before. What's up with those?
calm ember
yeah manhole covers. lol
waxen skiff
Ah yeah, Chaos
waxen skiff
They provide benefits if you complete a probationary period
fossil moat
You sacrifice health to visit the realm of chaos. You'll meet someone there
waxen skiff
Some of the strongest boons are available through them
fossil moat
have you met them yet by chance?
calm ember
okay damn. It seems they've added a lot since I last played.
fossil moat
5 mega updates (acc had to count) 😅 yeah it's a lot
but you get to see everything in time
The progression is natural enough, not to mention the boatload of content. You get your bearings soon enough dw
waxen skiff
btw, is it just me or is whipped frenzy too much heat relative to the difficulty added? Like, it feels significantly easier than adding even 20 heat via VT
calm ember
I'm a huge Supergiant fan. However, I'm not a big fan of Early Access games. So I was really skeptical. I just kept thinking of how much I loved Bastion and Transistor that it probably had to be a good game. I feel like I made the right choice. This game just keeps rewarding with surprisingly more and more content. I need to play more often. lol
waxen skiff
Let alone 15 heat off of grim inevitability
@calm ember I was so pleasantly surprised. I hadn't been planning to buy it while early access and decided why not when it was at $10
fossil moat
It changes the attack patters that your used o
mighty ermine
whipped is one of the most deadly aspects of high heat runs paired with other pact options
waxen skiff
So it's probably just the fact that I'm using it on it's own that makes it easier?
mighty ermine
definitely, yeah
waxen skiff
Makes sense.
fossil moat
@calm ember same man. Supergiant has so much potential space to work in this kind of game, a rougelike w/ and actual story integral to the experiance
waxen skiff
I was just surprised because by itself it doesn't feel that much harder.
mighty ermine
yeah, whipped tends to shine (in a dangerous way) the most with heavy vicious torment
making mistakes becomes much easier and each one could end it all
waxen skiff
Yeah, that sounds super scary
calm ember
@fossil moat Yeah I was surprised how there seems to still be more conversations to have with characters and tons of stuff in the codex to further the lore. This the the perfect example of a Rogue-Like reimagined into something deeper.
waxen skiff
Do we know if Greater evasion and Lambent Plume are additive or multiplicative?
fossil moat
addative most likely
@calm ember and we still have half a year left to go.
Anyways, Imma head to bed, best of luck y'all
Good hunting
and good luck w/ the heat runs sev
waxen skiff
Thanks! nite
hard holly
Probably multiplicativ
stoic berry
hey dumb question but does the spear not have a dash attack?
I took Artemis's Dash boon and it doesn't seem to do anything...
waxen skiff
It does
Artemis has one of the less splashy effects though
Since it's just a damage amp, it won't always be obvious when's it's taking effect
stoic berry
yeah, but at least as far as i cant tell the damage values are the same, 15 whether I dash or not :(
waxen skiff
hmm... maybe you're missing the input timing?
stoic berry
maybe? ill keep trying lol
waxen skiff
Try hitting dash and attack nearly simultaneously
stoic berry
ok yeah its does it sometimes its definitely really weird about it though
pearl willow
spear dash attack looks pretty much just like a normal jab, if you get the timing right you just end up attacking twice very rapidly.
(assuming you follow up with a normal attack)
quaint gale
bow's incredible as long as you do dash attacks
waxen skiff
Hmm... Maybe I'll have to give it another try
unkempt pagoda
here i did athena special + 100% more special
and the fast special from hermes really helped out
atomic star
Not sure if this got asked before. But I equipped Artemis's keepsake after the Fury. After I walked out of Asphodel, the first room reward was a Hermes boon. Should that not have been an Artemis one? OR is he special? (this is my first run on the new patch)
waxen skiff
I got Hermes first on my first run of the patch so it may be that
But I think it's more likely part of him being closer to Chaos in boon type.
atomic star
Well, I got hermes first thing off the bat too.
waxen skiff
So I think it's the latter then
strong sleet
Yeah he’s not the same as other gods. It won’t be factored into the keepsake
unkempt pagoda
he's not really a typical god, i don't think you can pom him either?
waxen skiff
Nope
unkempt pagoda
i haven't gotten him as a pom option yet
atomic star
I mean, I would probably welcome some more Hermes stuff, because honestly my last runs have had a lot of useless poms
unkempt pagoda
makes me wonder if that means hermes just can't have his rarities boosted
strong sleet
I don’t think any Hermes boons have been disappointing to me yet besides Greater Reflexes
waxen skiff
GR sucks...
unkempt pagoda
cause with the others, you can rely on exchange, but hermes isn't like the other gods
waxen skiff
Especially at higher rarities
strong sleet
It’s the recovery time
waxen skiff
Yeah
strong sleet
Just makes me lose my rhythm
waxen skiff
And the fact that you can't just reset it before using up all the dashes
And there's no visible timer for it
It just makes you lose all rythm
It killed my first run at T&M post patch
I just got hit way too much during thre fight
strong sleet
There should be indicators for a lot of things such as GR, Thanatos keepsake, and Hermes keepsake
waxen skiff
The Hermes one apparently does have one.
I didn't notice it but they show it during the developer stream
strong sleet
I haven’t seen it yet, but I’ve only used it once so far
waxen skiff
It has a little ring around the indicator in the bottom left
strong sleet
Ohh ok
strong sleet
Yeah I’m not looking at the left tabbed area during an encounter usually
waxen skiff
And I wish you had like a little stamina bar or something over your head showing how long on the dash reset
upbeat junco
After this patch they've really nerfed and buffed some of the gods pretty heavily, now Athena damage is really low, I think it was around 29% at rare. And from what I've seen Poseidon is the new strongest followed by Aphrodite.
upbeat junco
yea it was 90% at rare in my last run
strong sleet
Athena’s deflect is already crazy strong though
upbeat junco
speaking of my last run, I picked up the Greatest Reflexes boon from Hermes and it kinda screwed my playstyle up with the increased dash delay
waxen skiff
yep
strong sleet
And Athena + Ares duo boon is 
upbeat junco
just doesn't seem worth picking up
waxen skiff
I haven't heard anyone say they like GR yet
grand pollen
Yeah the Dash Delay makes it actually worse.
strong sleet
In my runs, I like to take Drifting Dash over GR
waxen skiff
That's the movement speed after dash?
strong sleet
Yeah
waxen skiff
Yeah, that one seems nice. Haven't had a run with it yet though
strong sleet
It kinda has the equivalent distance of 4 dashes if you do it right
upbeat junco
yea i had that and it increased my MS by 100% the speed was weird for me
grand pollen
Personally my recent attempts have been to see if I can get up to almost 100% dodge, cause why not.
strong sleet
How close have you gotten?
upbeat junco
Also how much is the damage buff for Razor Shoals?
strong sleet
I don’t remember what rarity it was, but I had 10% I think
grand pollen
I've gotten up to like 58%, 38 from a level 2 Hermes Trinket, and 20% from the Hermes boon.
waxen skiff
I'm impressed
wheat elbow
Yo, some of these mercury boons are super OP
waxen skiff
I haven'y gotten nearly that much off trinket
strong sleet
wheat elbow
He has this one dash where you running into enemies slows them super hard
grand pollen
It was in my fastest clear yet, so it kinda makes sense lol
was like a 17:58 clear.
strong sleet
I do like the slow dash quite a bit
waxen skiff
Nice
strong sleet
Saved me in the elevator room
proud pendant
Hey guys....new here. This game is incredible and I really hope it does well.
I love the update cadence and commitment. I do have a question though, what is the advantage of giving an npc multiple flasks ? I see the heart upgrade path but am not sure of the benefits of investing all my flasks in one character (like Nyx for example)
waxen skiff
Just lore right now I believe
stoic berry
It unlocks more events with them I believe
grand pollen
Give everyone one flask each to get the trinkets, and then after that whoever you like 😃
waxen skiff
Maybe don't give Hades one...
proud pendant
ah got it.....god i would love it if eventually there were unlocks in gameplay abilities when you do it
upbeat junco
Yea maybe increase in rarity of boons would be cool
proud pendant
I love the lore stuff but isnt as motivating as some real gameplay unlocks 😃
waxen skiff
I actually really love the lore stuff
That was one of my favorite parts of ending a new run
upbeat junco
Giving the npcs the ambrosia makes them talk about lore as well as some new things happening so it is definitely worth it
proud pendant
The best part of the lore stuff was how it remembers your previous run and the dialogue is based on that.
grand pollen
New Dodge record on the trinket, got it to 39.5% because I had a level 3 one this time.
I don't think it will be possible to go above 70% dodge though, 50ish from the trinket if you manage to get every room, and 20% from his Epic Boon
calm ember
Is there a passive effect attached to "Domain" or "Death" runs?
waxen skiff
80% would still be insane
If it's 30% for the boon
However, there are so many rooms that seem nearly impossible to sub 30 seconds unless you have such a good run going that the dodge bonus is irrelevant
Has anyone checked if they fixed the explosive return bug btw?
pearl willow
dang i usually am pretty lukewarm on the rail but with the reduced spread and damage increase to jolt just zeus attack is pretty solid now. but i also had zeus legendary and triple bomb with a very buff artemis special + hunters mark.
scarlet flare
how far is "distant" when it comes to that one bow upgrade that increases damage to distant enemies?
I'm pretty sure I'm at the edge of my range and still getting now damage bonus
fluid moat
I highly suggest trying to do an ares cast build if you can get the duo artemis + ares legendary:
||https://clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingTardyDaikonKAPOW||
it is probably one of the more funny experiences I've had with this game 😂
wheat elbow
Yo, guys
I don't know what you think, but
Hermes Keepsake is insanely good for non-heated runs
Ended the game having stacked it to 30% (and it was only at rank 2)
Also received a boon from him giving me another 28% dodge chance
waxen skiff
@fluid moat Yeah, it's absolutely broken
twilit prairie
@fluid moat LMAO
waxen skiff
I was expecting it to get nerfed this patch
wheat elbow
so 58% chance to just completly avoid damage
fluid moat
hahahaha
wheat elbow
- the extra MS
fluid moat
yeah degrand I think if you want to build into a sustain build it's pretty good, but may as well just build into damage if you don't need sustain
fluid moat
OHHHHHHH I want to try that new duo
wheat elbow
@fluid moat Look at it from the other side. Ignoring enemy damage = more damage from you
fluid moat
the athena deflect causes curse to toggle
for a no heat run you can already tank a lot
I guess without a full mirror it'd definitely be handy 🤔
but things cant hurt you, if they're dead
waxen skiff
Not true! Bomb guys...
fluid moat
yeah the new chariot? 😂 those are great
I love how if they just run into another enemy/wall they detonate sometimes
waxen skiff
I hate them so much...
grand pollen
The issue I've found with the dodge trinket, is if I have a good enough run to actually build stacks with it, then I don't need it.
waxen skiff
Yeah
wheat elbow
I mean, I look at the small ones like this:
Everyone of these I face
is a shielder or spear idiot I don't have to face.
waxen skiff
Except way more of them spawn
I tend to take more damage from them than the shades (though I'm sure it's just I'm more used to the attack patterns of those by this point)
spice turret
Ohhhh. Just got Hermes' trinket. I'm way more hype about it now
sick gorge
I have the Hermes' trinket and just got a survive for 45 seconds room
thats a real bummer on my need for speed man
supple lintel
If im being honest, a glaive sounds p good for this game
twilit prairie
why do the charriots meow lmao
rugged apex
they're nemean.
charred ruin
too bad they didn't add a statue for more than 120 heat with the update or something
calm ember
I just finally beat Meg for my first time
rugged apex
...also uh, is it me or is the latest feedback.... missing an 👍 option
calm ember
lol I'm such a scrub I know. But, still!! I beat that mean ole Fury. lmao
How many areas in the game are there now?
rugged apex
Three, currently.
sick gorge
Tartarus, Asphodel, Elysium
speaking of the latter two good god it's hard to clear levels in them in 30 seconds
between waiting for enemies to spawn and you having to walk over to kill them it's crazy
calm ember
why 30 seconds? Am I missing something or are you specifically talking about Speedrunning?
grand pollen
New Hermes Trinket
sick gorge
Hermes' trinket requires you to clear in 30 seconds to gain a benefit like Thanatos'
and it stacks and while it's balanced out so if you're good in Tartarus you have a solid 10%+ chance to not take any damage when hit and 10% move speed increase.
It still feels kind of annoying knowing that it's not the fact that the enemies aren't dying fast enough
it's just that you waiting for them to spawn in eats up your time
grand pollen
^ Its more they don't spawn or the rooms ((LOOKIN AT YOU ASPHODEL)) are too big to get between groups fast enough
sick gorge
with Elysium you have to kill basically everyone twice too
grand pollen
Honestly I get more stacks in Elysium than Asphodel
Though the little mini guys have the same spawning issue, where they take too long to spawn
sick gorge
though like 60% chance of avoiding all damage is admittedly broken
grand pollen
I mean yeah...
calm ember
How do you acquire said trinket?
grand pollen
Give Hermes the good stuff
sick gorge
Hand ambrosia to hermes when you see his boon show up
calm ember
oh ok cool.
I have mostly been running Aegis with Myrmidon Bracer
The other 4 or so that I've unlocked don't seem to be that helpful.
grand pollen
Its a good combo
I normally run god ones for trying to get what I want early on, and then switch to Myrm for Elysium
sick gorge
It's hard for me to want run any other trinket other then Than's
because i can clear rooms without being hit
and like constantly increasing damage
grand pollen
I get all the stacks from Tartarus, but normally step in the lava a few times in Asphodyl and by Elysium I'd rather just have Myrmidon
calm ember
Yeah I like that you can change in between realms/worlds. I just learned that.
grand pollen
If you do any stacking ones, you lose the stacks
stoic crest
Did anyone have that double boon room, which one of the boons is Aphrodite? I did a first run with the new update and when I smited her for artemis, the enemies had these pink rings that formed on the ground. Is that new or have I been hiding in tartarus too long? That was nuts!
grand pollen
They added that this patch
each god has new stuff they do in the double rooms to make them more challenging instead of just always been a free two boons
strong sleet
The Dionysus trial room is hard to do
Enemies kept staying in the poison rings
And I had sword
calm ember
So what Mirror of Night Attributes do you guys favor?
cerulean lily
I haven't played for awhile and I feel stupid asking this but how do you escape from the starting area/bedroom?
calm ember
Window down bottom right of room
stoic crest
@grand pollen thanks for the clarification. I though it was new, but didn't see it in clearly stated in the patch if all the double rooms had that new enemy enhancement
calm ember
Or door I guess
strong sleet
I mean in terms of Mirror of Night bonuses, I abuse the status one and boiling blood. I haven’t maxed Olympian Favor and God’s Pride yet, but everything else is max rank
calm ember
I haven't hardly touched it honestly. I have a few points in it. But I always trade my Darkness for Ambrosia or keys. Maybe I should start messing with it. lol
spice turret
Whoo! New highscore for speed!
meager radish
Elysians hit like a truck
meager radish
Nice. Shield OP
spice turret
Shield supremely OP. Not pictured is 18% on Hermes, and an awful lot of lightning
meager radish
damn lol
fluid moat
nice! you should check out the speedrun 😂 it's pretty great
strong sleet
@calm ember idk how you get far in runs without a lot in the mirror
elfin pulsar
so is special speed increase with shield just totally nuts? had it earlier and it felt great
limpid ember
How is the ares / aphrodite duo buff now that it's back in the game?
limpid ember
really? It's my favourite
calm ember
IDK it feels weak and you're so vulnerable while using it. I would rather be able to move and shoot at the same time.
limpid ember
It's got super long range though
and it's special is one of the few I like
High dmg and good aoe to compensate for the high single target dps of the attack
calm ember
I mean the range is almost like the Spear. It's a little longer yeah and the special is a pain to hit with. Most mobs move faster than it takes for Bomb to land.
limpid ember
you can aim the special
And the range is about that of the bow
you can also aim the special behind enemies to bypass their shield
elfin pulsar
havent played since the patch but since beefy i've loved the rail, with the changed hammers it does so well in act 3
was my first and easiest heat 60 win
limpid ember
yeah, most of it's daedalus upgrades are reasonable
No reload/quicker attack work great with zeus
and heavy shot works great with just about any % attack
I was hitting for 211 base dmg against zone1 boss lol
elfin pulsar
thats gross
elfin pulsar
do you play on controller?
calm ember
Maybe it's meant to be a late game weapon.
limpid ember
i play controller
elfin pulsar
interesting, most people that hate rail play controller
harder to aim the special and possibly harder to reload>dash cancel
calm ember
I play both.
limpid ember
Weird lol
limpid ember
I never have trouble aiming / dash canceling with it
Guess I just play it so much I got used to it?
elfin pulsar
aiming the special should definitely be harder, mousing over compared to moved the reticule all the way there
but yeah sounds like you just got good at it/used to it
poseidon's epic special is a 199% damage increase now sheesh
limpid ember
anyone know if cyclops jerky and cyclops jerky select stack?
rugged apex
I believe you get the bonus from both.
spice turret
Well, I got a run with Hermes' legendary boon
That was cool
I didn't notice it in the slightest
Possibly because the % slow is countered by the whipped frenzy?
limpid ember
Ended that rail run with 263 base dmg lol
limber cipher
I. LOVE. HERMES.
i had the "dash makes your normal movespeed much faster for .8 seconds" and a regular +movespeed and i was so fast
i felt like i was having the biggest sugar high ever
limpid ember
I just wish hermes has a trinket like the rest of the boon providers. I wanna force his spawn darnit
elfin pulsar
agreed
turbid needle
I don't know if it's my setup, but I feel like I can't properly combo the special from my normal attacks with the sword weapon anymore.
Before the update I could have a steady rhythm of two normal attacks and one special (without any upgrades or anything) but now it seems like my special input gets dropped or indefinitely delayed or something
elfin pulsar
im doing a sword special run right now and its working fine, the special feels like it might have a little more end lag but its still working
turbid needle
hm weird
elfin pulsar
with this new buffer it feels like you can really mash it out too
turbid needle
really? I feel it's the complete opposite for me
like not only with the blade weapon but also with the other weapons it's like I have to play way more slowly now
elfin pulsar
other than this I've only done a shield run and it actually felt amazing, I had troubles with chaining bull rushes together before that work perfectly now
turbid needle
oh and with the sword I sometimes got the third slash attack even after using my special, but only if I hit enemies with it - but that happened very sporadically and might have something to do with some hermes buff I got
are you using a controller or K&M?
elfin pulsar
kb+m
elfin pulsar
i wouldn't be surprised if hermes buffs had some bugs, could be that
i love this new keepsake and I hate it too
its an awesome effect, but I hate that some rooms are just impossible for it, especially now that im getting heat back up
with the butterfly theres always a chance, even if its tough
especially in elysium, idk how ur supposed to rank this thing up at all here
turbid needle
oh yeah definitely, I feel like it's only possible to do that once you are already on The Run
elfin pulsar
even then I feel like guys just dont spawn fast enough and are too spread out sometimes
especially with a lot of shades, having to kill their cells too just screws you over
turbid needle
even though more often than not, the optimal loadout I have for easily clearing floors is the opposite of a good loadout to actually defeat the bosses ^^
oh that spawn time man
especially when sometimes waves consist of like 1-2 enemies
and you have to wait for like 5 waves
elfin pulsar
yeah exactly
heady zephyr
lightning seems generally better now
heavy bone
I just got athena attack rare with +26% damage boost
so that heroic one shown earlier must have been a glitch or something
cerulean lily
wow played for the first time in months and I got much farther than ever. The controls still aren't intuitive for me tho (keyboard/mouse) - I keep expecting the attacks to go in the character facing direction when it's more like Robotron 2084.
(I'm old so it'll take me awhile lol )
elfin pulsar
i know you can change the dash direction to be character facing, but yeah thats it
calm ember
Which of the Wrath abilities do you guys prefer?
elfin pulsar
something i've found really helps is putting some moves on extra mouse buttons, if you have any
heavy bone
^
elfin pulsar
my favorite wrath is aphrodite but I bet the best one is athena
turbid needle
funny thing is I actually put all the moves I have on mouse
just feels more natural that way
especially putting the special on right mouse button
elfin pulsar
I just put special on mb4, but I really should have put wrath or something on my mouse too, feels smarter to it that way
calm ember
I haven't messed with them much cause they always seem to take so long to fill up I usually go for a more immediate effect. But, I also realize that's because I suck at the game and don't usually make it to Asphodel.
elfin pulsar
yeah they really have nerfed wraths super hard lately, you can almost never fill them in tartarus
IMO not worth getting them early unless you get a really good epic one
turbid needle
I tend to only fill them up on boss fights or just before I clear a room
heavy bone
I've cleared the game a few times and I still never feel like I get a wrath on anything other than a boss
elfin pulsar
yup lol, like on the last dang enemy
limpid ember
I really like them because they pierce theseus' shield
Makes that fight a lot quicker
grand pollen
Really depends on the Wrath you're using. Also if you run the Athena Boon which starts you with a % of wrath, you can use it to power clear rooms pretty quick
spice turret
Hey, so, those of you who've gotten Hermes' dash boon, did you like it? Because for my part, that boon was questionable, at the best.
waxen skiff
Everyone seems to hate it so far
strong sleet
Which dash boon?
spice turret
Uh, extra dashes, but extra cooldown on them
strong sleet
Oh that one is bad
Throws me off completely
That little bit of time without dash just kills me in boss fights and even in regular encounters it messes with my rhythm
waxen skiff
Just did my first try at a 60 heat run and boy was it close!!! https://imgur.com/a/404Ovre
Finished with 1 hp and no death defies
plucky oxide
Faster cast speed? Awesome!
Proceeds to put it on Ares cast without hunting blades, unaware that travel speed was also greatly affected.
median ridge
about that one piece of feedback: who the heck is upset at the taunting voicelines after losing a run? hypnos's funny smug remarks are a consolation prize for having a bad run, for me
i deeply enjoy the lines and am considering turning up heat just so i can die more and advance hypnos's minotaur interaction
rocky goblet
glossy talon
I havne't got to mess with him, but I like some of his stuff
Bow is now my new fav weapon though
plucky oxide
Hermes is strange. I wasn't expecting them to make him this... weird.... outlier, amongst the group.
It's nice and refreshing, but the lack of having any control with Hermes, and him being the only 'secondary' boon that works like he does, throws me for a loop whenever he decides to show up. I'm sure I'll figure it out in time.
rocky sage
Encounter counts as like one whole room??
gleaming steeple
hermess is great btw
his boons are strange, but awesome
i thinks it`s great that he is working like this. Game already have a lot of gods with "normal" boons
pastel jolt
@rocky sage Encounter = room with a fight in it, chamber = any room
timid iris
https://imgur.com/a/FXUnbG7
i dont understand what's wrong
lofty turret
@timid iris You have to have the heat turned "on" with the Pact of Punishment, to enter those gates
You have 33 heat on you, but inactive
Anyone else went for full Ares & Artemis cast build?
This build is sick in terms of damage, downed last 2 guys in about 15-30s
Especially with the new Ares legendary & Burst shot from Artemis
icy edge
A bit late for the Hermes thing but...
...He's proof of concept, and that concept can then easily be applied to Haephestus or even Hades himself.
heady zephyr
Am I missing something, or does theseus' dash attack have 0 startup?
I mean he yells, but he yells as hes into the attack, right? There's no tell that I can identify
proud storm
He walks towards asterius beforehand
Cuz asterius throws him at you
Just watch out if theyre right next to each other
proud storm
You guys never noticed?????
icy edge
There's a lot going on on that screen, to be honest
proud storm
Fair
icy edge
Doesnt want Asterius to feel bad
Imagine if he revealed he could lunge like that all the time on his own
He'd be heartbroken
proud storm
Bull horn but theres no bull
gleaming turtle
first time I get past Meg and it takes me right to the end 😄
just spamming artemis' dash and special (sword) for aoe damage
and a lot of tankyness from dionisus boons and a huge health pool
it was really fun, especially charming the last two bosses so they would fight eachother
heady zephyr
man, if you get the artemis/ares duo that makes blade rifts home and the ares legendary that makes blade rifts stronger each tick
everything upto elysium just plays itself basically
combine it with the hermes cast speed buff for good measure
@plucky oxide i really agree with your point about wraths, btw. i'm almost tempted to say untie wraths from the gods altogether and just have them be zagreus doing his own thing
gleaming turtle
I haven't gotten a duo yet. Will keep an eye out for that
proud storm
props to you for making it with only 300 darkness
icy edge
I dont know how I feel about dodge
On one hand, it really helps to not take damage from a high heat bomb or wave, but on the other, it can never be high enough to be reliable
heady zephyr
i always just treat dodge as a failsafe, like damage reduction or death defies
so the 20% dodge boon is pretty good, but i can't see myself ever running the hermes keepsake
lost rose
@heady zephyr please report severe/new lag when you find it using F10! that's more bug than feedback
heady zephyr
ah, sure thing
although....looks like the game crashes when i try to use the bug report function lol
lost rose
As in closes down, or locks up?
shut coyote
https://streamable.com/shaub yall i tried hunting blades build for the first time and is it... supposed to be like this... what the hell hahaha
frank dew
Yes its one of the strongest boons in the game
heady zephyr
closes down. i've sent screenshots to dexter
shut coyote
man and i thought i had some good stuff on lock with dio/aphrodite and stuff, this is insane
heady zephyr
@shut coyote combine it with the one that makes blade rifts do more damage each tick
frank dew
Yeh get the crits mark thing and it goes nuts
shut coyote
yep sure did, i got hella lucky with boons this run
frank dew
Theres frankly alot of things that combo well with it
heady zephyr
game just played itself at that point
frank dew
Definately the strongest cast imo
coral valve
errant narwhal
I’ve had 9 death defiances before
with the lucky tooth, athena boons and some kisses from styx :>
vale sphinx
There’s no way to force a Hermes boon to spawn at the start, right?
Had it once and seems to be more like a meta-boon like the hammer to me
autumn tapir
shut coyote
i play the rail a lot and don't notice a clear influence of hermes' special speed boon, does it actually apply or is it too subtle for me to notice?
pearl willow
it does but since the animation is already quite speedy it's not wildly noticeable. however i thought it was a pretty substantial change when i had triple bomb with the special speed increase.
shut coyote
oh good one, i haven't had triple bomb since this patch hit yet
cool thanks, was wondering if it applied or not!
jovial aspen
The new keepsake from Hermes is not very useful but it is less than useless with high punishment levels.
shut coyote
another question: is there a known algorithm for altering room rewards? i've given up using it on key/darkness rooms because it always turns into heat. intentional?
pastel jolt
points to pinned posts in this very channel
shut coyote
oops my bad, will check it!
ah right, so the fact that i keep getting heat is unlucky, that answers my question then. was unsure if the other perma rewards were also in the pool
vale sphinx
Kind of surprised to see that Coin and Centaur are valued on the same level as boons and hammer
pastel jolt
permanent vs. that-run-only
vale sphinx
I’d really appreciate it if the trader stopped trying to buy my darkness
pastel jolt
i love when i go to save my changes on the wiki and it throws an edit conflict because someone else is fiddling with the page at the same time
grand patrol
:((
pastel jolt
hey, has anyone gotten the re-implemented version of curse of longing?
cursive citrus
tfw you kill so fast you dont drop a single gold
but then remember you're chaos cursed
"just what i wanted! nothing!" -zag
rugged apex
perfect score!
cursive citrus
first time i've ever perfected one of those too
echo sphinx
Lmao that's great
graceful bough
How does dash attack work with the bow?
pastel jolt
the bow's dash attack is faster to charge
you can tell it apart from a normal attack by the speed (obviously) but also from the animation zag uses
he'll hold the bow upright for a normal attack, and horizontally for a dash attack
pastel jolt
i didn't until yesterday!
wheat elbow
(which of course never ends up forcing me to dash into traps. Never, let me tell you!)
I will upload a ridiculous run that I ended up throwing by being bad.
graceful bough
Oh interesting
wheat elbow
IO feel like I need to record another one as redemption
graceful bough
So it's not like the sword where to get the extra damage you dash and immediately attack.
Because that seemed... extremely impractical with the bow.
pastel jolt
i'm halfway convinced it wasn't animated differently until recently
wheat elbow
It is, but because the spear charges by default, it behaves different.
Also, thes word is the only weapon to have a dedicated dash attack.
As in, it has its own animation
graceful bough
But chaos grants dash attack buffs and it's very confusing when you can't figure out how to dash attack right with whatever weapon.
pastel jolt
dash attack with bow is literally jsut "dash, start charging attack, fire"
wheat elbow
Rule of thumb when it comes to dash attacks is to not bother with them unless you have sword, bow or shield
Or very specific Rail upgrades
pastel jolt
you can definitely powershot a bow dash attack an still get the damage boost, but idk if that's true if you slow it down with hammers
waxen skiff
I disagree with not using for spear
graceful bough
Okay that's what I wondered.
wheat elbow
Dash Attack on that 15 base damage, sure, whatever
graceful bough
Because if you dash and shoot without much charge that is very impractical.
waxen skiff
And is very fast and you can stack boons on it
pastel jolt
not bother with them unless you have sword, bow or shield or specific rail upgrades
you named 3.5 of 5 weapons
graceful bough
But knowing that the charge is so much faster after a dash is super cool and I will use this constantly now.
wheat elbow
Yeah, but you don't need dash attacks with it
graceful bough
Thanks @pastel jolt
pastel jolt
wheat elbow
@pastel jolt I mean, being real, 3.5 is more than it sounds
pastel jolt
intensifies
wheat elbow
and even assuming that, I have yet to actually play the sword for the dash attack.
You could, but what'd be the point
waxen skiff
Yeah, I use it as a prenova (and much less now that instant is gone)
pastel jolt
i'm sayign, you named more exceptions to the rule than things it actually applies to
graceful bough
@wheat elbow Best Chaos upgrade available?
pastel jolt
but yeah, arkatox, if you grab the bow and spend some time taking potshots in skelly's room it's really easy to see the difference
pastel jolt
honestly it's why the old, OLD artemis dash was so goddamn broken for bow
graceful bough
Pshh
waxen skiff
Has anyone ever chosen dash curse?
pastel jolt
because you were always dashing anyways so it was basically just a free "hey every shot you take crits"
yes
wheat elbow
@waxen skiff I did
pastel jolt
i actually beat meg without being able to dash
wheat elbow
went and fought Alexto with it
graceful bough
You can't dash, or dash hurts you?
pastel jolt
dash hurts you
waxen skiff
I can't bring myself to. I know I'll just kill myself
graceful bough
I think I've done both... unless the first isn't a thing.
pastel jolt
it's not a bug
wheat elbow
@waxen skiff You can't kill yourself by dashing
pastel jolt
chaos curses can;t kill you
wheat elbow
It can't reduce you further than 1 HP
waxen skiff
Wait??? I never knew that
pastel jolt
that's been a thing since they were implemented, degrand
wheat elbow
BUT if you have a wrath effect, taking that damage will give you wrath points
waxen skiff
Oh man, ok then. Guess I'll start taking it sometimes
pastel jolt
personally i feel like it fits in thematically with chaos's whole Schtick
scarlet flare
that's pretty typical of newer games
pastel jolt
they won't kill you. they make no promises about everything else trying to kill you, but chaos themself won't kill you
waxen skiff
If I'm already low health and trying a run where I can't get hit anyways?
pastel jolt
i did murderboat with a dash curse once and it was painful but funny
graceful bough
I have Twin Shot with +114% dash attack from Chaos. I think I'm about set for this run.
pastel jolt
whoof, i'm jealous
waxen skiff
I did that recently and then got Art/Ares duo anyways 🤷
graceful bough
TARTARUS IS MY B----, OH MY GOD
waxen skiff
lol
pastel jolt
graceful bough
This is the most powerful I have ever been.
wheat elbow
Posted a gameplay video in self-promo.
Bullman single fight just always ends up costing me too many crucial HP
waxen skiff
What are people's favorite 120 heat builds?
Got 60 first try last night and I want to start working on 120
^builds both in terms of pact configuration and what build they go for in-run
wheat elbow
I think most people go with everything except healing reductions, damage increase and random boons
waxen skiff
oh wait... I just realized I'll need to farm some more heat first...
graceful bough
Drift Dash is weird and I'm not sure that I like it.
Especially with my dash-central build.
wheat elbow
Oh, that one I liked
waxen skiff
Greater Reflexes is the penalty for more dashes
wheat elbow
There is one Mercury Upgrade that let's you slow enemies by 90% for a couple seconds by running into them
waxen skiff
Drift Dash is like pure upside
scarlet flare
drift dash makes the final boss fight way easier
waxen skiff
What mirror works best with 500 darkness... I've gotten so used to having everything (other than the darkness sinks)
graceful bough
Now that I'm used to it I like it.
waxen skiff
@pastel jolt Thanks again for all this!
pastel jolt
i am steadily making my way through the gods 👍
graceful bough
I'm gonna stop breaking to chat here because I don't want to raise my playtime too much lol
waxen skiff
I think it doesn't count while paused?
Cause I left a run paused to go to a thing and completed it when I got back and it was long but not that long (49 minutes and I had it paused for like 2 hours)
waxen skiff
How much damage do you do with one powershotted dash attack?
oh man, that would be awesome if we could test out boon combos on Skelly
Wait, can you make the run timer visible?
tame coral
Hi everyone, first time here. Doesn't the new Ares' legendary (vicius cycle) fells gamebreaking for you too?
pastel jolt
yes you can, it's in options sevi
graceful bough
pastel jolt
artemis is high speed updated
waxen skiff
Sick @graceful bough
graceful bough
That was with multiple pauses to chat with you all or take screenshots.
(Which mostly pauses the timer anyway, I believe.)
waxen skiff
I think it does
graceful bough
Compare it to my other best times, ROFL
pastel jolt
(she didn't get the nerfbat THAT badly tbh)
waxen skiff
I still haven't gotten a sub 25 minute
(Though I do tend to screw around a lot during my runs)
graceful bough
I hadn't gotten a sub 30.
Mostly my runs have been "I don't care about going particularly fast because I just wanna make sure I survive."
Though as of late either Boss #3 was nerfed/rebalanced, or I've just gotten a lot better at fighting them.
I don't know where to ask this, but it was last relevant for me here. Why can't you upload images here anymore?
pastel jolt
"anymore"? it wasn't possible at any point
mods can upload images but regular users can't
graceful bough
I don't think that's true.
Early days of Hades I never had to use imgur.
At least I don't think. I remember being very confused one day when I realized I had to use an external image host.
pastel jolt
athena is high speed updated
limber comet
okay so the boons on ares... their quite op! especially concerning his casts, its the first time that i beat theseus under a min!
torn moss
are they gonna revamp the god keepsakes
graceful bough
@torn moss If they get enough feedback suggesting they should.
torn moss
i mean i feel like with hermes' keepsake it's way different than the other ones
rocky sage
i still dont like the fact the plume and the butterfly need to be held on to keep the bonus
completing an elysium room without talking damage is HARD
at least for me
especially when i get just use the rail with distant memopries
wheat elbow
Butterfly and Plume to me are getting a bunch of stacks in Tartarus and maybe Asphodel and carrying these as far as possible.
Also, Dionysus is one of the best gods in the game and nobody can convince me otherwise.
Also, his duo boon with Zeus is sick
graceful bough
Here's your award, @plucky oxide. Don't tell anyone I gave this to you, and never mention it again.
wheat elbow
Oh yeah, that is going to be hard to get used to.
But good mentioning, poison damage can scale up so hilariously high
Getting 7 per tick is quite easy now, which ends up ticking for 35. Between prefered status, Dionysus legendary and other increases, getting that dot to a 100 is super easy.
Meanwhile having the cast rain down lightning for 240 damage ain't too shabby either
pastel jolt
the gods should now all be updated for high speed, minus a couple where i need more data to work them out properly (hermes, poseidon's wrath buff)
wheat elbow
What did they do to Poseidons wrath again?
pastel jolt
the thing is, i mathed and ended up with higher numbers than before on poseidon's wrath buff
wheat elbow
Good change because stacking those could end up being ridiculous
pastel jolt
so i'm a little confused on that one and will be keeping an eye out on future runs to try and slap that one into shape
wheat elbow
Good man.
What is the best Wrath effect currently in the game?
I would throw out my vote to Artemis.
errant narwhal
Athena
pastel jolt
my personal favourite is athena, hands down, no question about it
wheat elbow
Dionysus and Zeus are out because they are 100 wrath which makes them mediocre even though the damage is great.
Aphrodite is terrible, sadly enough
errant narwhal
then again Zeus got a huge buff but idk I haven’t played the update at al
wheat elbow
So is Ares in my book.
pastel jolt
50% wrath bar for a few seconds of complete immunity? thanks
wheat elbow
Zeus is fairly solid overall, Athena can be great if your run is great
wheat elbow
To me, Artemis Wrath is the greatest all around at the moment
plucky oxide
I like Artemis. Athena is the only reliable one. Poseidon is runner up.
wheat elbow
There is never a point in a game where I get Artemis and feel like I'd rather have something else.
For Athena to be good, you need to have a highly offensive run.
And/or you must intend to take damage.
Makes it a bit more situational in my book.
Poseidon is just free damage like Ares, but way better than Ares in terms of damage and mobility
pastel jolt
athena is good because i like having a panic button
wheat elbow
But Artemis gives you that damage instantly
plucky oxide
As someone who doesn't play a lot of Dio, Athena is phenomenal for maximizing your dps by ignoring kiting altogether.
wheat elbow
and it is ridiculously high
pastel jolt
athena is also nice for "no, screw you and your stupid wraths, theseus, i want to murder you and i want to do it NOW"
plucky oxide
Id rather not rely on abilities that offer me something really good every now and again. I basically only consider them as things to help in boss battles at this point, and I'd much rather choose a 100 point damage that ignores Theseus' shield (Dio and Zeus) or some form of damage mitigation (Athena, Poseidon).
If you halved the duration of Zeus and Dio, and kept them at 50 points, I'd use them a lot more.
Like, literally, I could actually use the boon. Until then they're just a dead pick until bosses.
plucky oxide
Sounds like fun! Just tweak the numbers to put it in line with the rest. Anything to actually allow me to use the boon before I run into a boss.
wheat elbow
@plucky oxide Quick reminder that Artemis now ignores shields with her Wrath
plucky oxide
Oooooo, I did not knowwww thaaaat.
Artemis best god. Has been since the beginning. Doubt it will ever change for me.
So.... the devs kept the damage resistance stacking in, yeah?
Or did the numbers change.
pastel jolt
+ Damage Reduction effects such as Different League (Aphrodite) now additive instead of multiplicative
plucky oxide
I thought they were additive before? Wasn't that how we were reaching massively high damage reduction?
proud storm
they compensated by reducing boon values
remember how different league used to be like 30% damage reduction instead of the current 10-15%
plucky oxide
What's Aphro+Achilles keepsake at now then? Pretty sure Achilles is still a whopping 40%.
proud storm
achilles is still 40%
plucky oxide
And weakness from Aphro? Just the two of those together seems really excessive.
rich comet
is dionysus supposed to be that difficult when you turn against him in trial of the gods?
ive only done two trials so far, zeus tickles you on occasion while dio just pours gallons upon gallons of liquid death upon the entire map at all times
and i sided against zeus in the second area and dio in the first
calm ember
Ok so I was wrong about the Rail. It's growing on me the more I play with it. lol
calm ember
This game is the perfect example of "just one more run". Just one more turn babe and I'll be right there. Just one more go buddy and I'll come play with you.
It's going to ruin my marriage. lmao jk
Is Lambet Plume the new item everyone is talking about?
pastel jolt
lambent plume is hermes's keepsake, yes
strong sleet
Finally beat Theseus and Asterius for the first time. Hunting Blades + Blight Strike on Rail did so much work
pastel jolt
btw, all the gods and weapons have been updated with the high speed update's changes
calm ember
I really like the Drift Dash Hermes gives you. Makes great for repositioning with the Rail.
errant narwhal
nice!!! Thanks sparrow
strong kite
i have drift dash on the run im doing right now
im using spear and ive got the range upgrade from Hephaestus as wellthey combo well together allows you to keep your distance
pastel jolt
there's bits and pieces that need updating, like i'm doing the status curses page now and the keepsakes page needs tweaking, but other than that we should be good now
calm ember
Does Distant memory work with the Rail? It just increases ranged damage right?
pastel jolt
why wouldn't they work together?
calm ember
I'm just making sure I understand correctly because all the Tooltip says is "10% damage to distant foes"
pastel jolt
then yes, it'll work
calm ember
I understand that may sound like a stupid question but I just like to make sure I understand correctly is all.
calm sable
Has anyone made a trinket tier list 
rich comet
best trinket is plumbed feather with maxed death insurance, shared misery and pain tolerance
strong kite
thats too many names i dont know the names of half the things
rich comet
you've got much more enemies, they have much more health and they block the first two instances of damage
calm sable
You can definitely get more out of some trinkets than others, though
I would rate Butterfly higher than Distant Memory for instance
rich comet
i really like the one that gives you extra damage when youre on low health
and i also really like the egg that lets you take chaos boons without taking damage and upgrades their rarities
calm sable
Meg's earring is also a big favorite, yeah
strong kite
ive made it to 27
calm ember
hell yeah
strong kite
i believ that is the boss for the second biome but maybe i have beet it once
calm ember
As much as I love Rogue-Like/Lite genre of games. I've never been particularly good at them. I loved Dead Cells and Wizard of Legend as well.
strong kite
ive put many hours into deadcells but only beat it once
calm ember
I've never beat it. lol
strong kite
i had a run were i just spammed the swarm maggot things and they demolished everything
calm ember
I played Binding of Isaac for years off and on and my wife and I play Don't Starve since PS3 era of it's launch.
Never beat Binding either. lol
strong kite
i havnt ever beet bionding but i also havnt had it that long
calm ember
I've heard Necrodancer and FTL are great but I haven't tried either yet.
strong kite
ive never heard of them
robust garden
i haven't played necrodancer but i can attest ftl is really fun
strong kite
what does ftl stand for or is it simply called ftl
robust garden
it's just called ftl
well it's FTL: Faster Than Light
but everyone calls it ftl
like this
pastel jolt
wow, dionysus really, really sucks to face in a trail of the gods
calm ember
Man I'm glad I picked this back up with the newest update. I went from only ever making it to Meg like twice to making it to Asphodel almost every run.
rugged apex
they're tiny nemean lion chariot kittens!
grand patrol
BAAAA BYYY car dodododododo
cerulean lily
I need to somehow train my old brain to deal with the mouse combat controls
Maybe I can rig up something to give me electric shocks
Or just have my wife stand behind me and shock me anytime I forget that attack direction is mouse
calm ember
WTF giant Gorgon head!??!
pastel jolt
infinity chamber + hermes attack boon + zeus attack = DELICIOUS LIGHTNING
30% faster attack means i am basically just a lean mean bullet machine
cerulean lily
that giant gorgon killed me fast
strong sleet
Just did a run with two duo boons and no wrath I’m kinda proud of myself
wheat elbow
I lost one of those today.
Played another one just now and won it easily though.
Rail, heavy on Ares, Aphro and Dionysus, Aphro/Dio and Ares/Aphro duo boons
Rail attacks inflicting doom, rail special applying poison, dash applying weak, so status promotion was up all the time
tripple bomb + Damage Buff Bomb hammer upgrades
Athena Wrath for good measure
pastel jolt
oh and now it's piercing.
obtuse merlin
I'm liking hermis keepsake so far that dodge and speed synergises nicely
obtuse merlin
woha
strong sleet
Piercing infinity fire is so useful against the exalted shields
tough tulip
that sounds like a fun build actually
pastel jolt
now i have splitting bolt
strong sleet
Question: does the Hermes and Thanatos keepsakes have their effects disappear if you unequip them between biomes?
icy edge
Yep
strong sleet
😓 then you have to keep it equipped to be even remotely useful
strong sleet
Yeah it’s just a player is not clearing Elysium and a lot of Asphodel rooms in 30 seconds.
icy edge
No RNG
except on hermes', but I assume theyll patch that somehow
strong sleet
So unless it’s built up from Tartarus and equipped all through the run, it is not very useful
I mostly like to equip the gods keepsake to get better boons from specific gods, but I really like the effect of Herme’s keepsake
strong sleet
Sea storm is a nice touch
pastel jolt
ok, now if that didn't record properly, i'm going to be very sad
oh goddamnit i forgot to turn f.lux off
elysium looks really, really weird in orange
wheat elbow
I mean, if you go through Tartarus without suffering a lot of damage, you can have Butterfly stacked up to around 30%.
Same goes with the Merc Keepsake if you are just fast instead of careful
pastel jolt
would anyone be interested in watching a very silly theseus and asterius fight even if it is kind of orange-tinted
native ether
Piercing Fire imo shot the rail's viability up because it really helps you counter Theseus/shield bois
The infinite fire is good too but I prefer Flurry Fire myself if im going that direction :p
pastel jolt
what's weird is that i was still getting spammed with blocks from theseus
native ether
Also yes silly fights are fun to watch
pastel jolt
i think it might have been the zeus attack?
native ether
Interesting. I think its still doing the damage though (looks like his life was going down)
its possibly just bugged and displaying the block only? I'm pretty sure Theseus cant actually block the zeus attacks (that is if you're shooting him and the lightning is chaining to the minotaur, and not the other way around)
wheat elbow
So, here is my opinion on something
I like Mercury quite a bit
and by Mercury, I mean Hermes, you will never get that habit out of me.
I don't think that he should be in the same pool as the other gods.
I feel like he should have his own pool together with Centaur Hearts, Power Poms and Obols
pastel jolt
so basically you want the 'normal' gods and hammer to be their own pool...?
native ether
I feel like his pool is anything but normal tbh
He feels like a Hammer
Definitely not like a traditional god
pastel jolt
the video is over in #self-promotion
funnily enough that's the first time i've ever killed theseus before asterius
dull berry
does hermes have a gods fury?
pastel jolt
wrath, and no
graceful bough
When Chaos offers a reward of +?? Health, do you just get that much health, or does it add to your total?
From the wording it seems to strongly indicate the former. But if that's the case, I don't know why anyone would choose that option.
It costs a large portion of that health to even access Chaos.
Also @pastel jolt what is the Repeater's dash attack?
rugged apex
it adds to your total health.
median ridge
it increases your maximum hit points
rugged apex
yeah - same issue for premium vintage.
pastel jolt
there used to be two boons
one that restored missing health, which was removed, and one which added max health, which was kept
atomic panther
The Rail's dash attack makes your next two attacks even faster
pastel jolt
hint: if you’re wondering if a boon restores health or adds max health, look at the icon being used. if it’s restoring health, it’ll have green pluses, if it’s adding max health, it’ll not have green pluses
and the text in most instances refers to Life Total when they mean max hp
graceful bough
The Chaos boon does not refer to Life Total.
pastel jolt
yes it does, last i checked
graceful bough
I mean one of the boxes to the right does, but phrases it in a way to imply that it only adds to your current health.
Goodness.
Every single reroll gives me heat.
rugged apex
reroll note: only use it on doors with gold laurels - it only rerolls to doors on the same type
(see also: pins!)
graceful bough
I only use it on keys and ambrosia because they're the only things worth skipping.
You'd think at least once I'd get like darkness.
Nope! Heat every single time.
rugged apex
I think it ends up being more efficient to only reroll gold laurel doors, just because that can make runs much stronger if you turn an obel room into a boon or hammer like three times
graceful bough
What's an obel.
rugged apex
gold.
graceful bough
Also I didn't think it was possible to get more than two hammers.
I thought that was a thing.
rugged apex
it isn't.
graceful bough
You get one in the first two biomes, then a second in the third.
Well that's dumb.
It should work like that.
rugged apex
you can only get two - but getting them earlier is good
as is, you know, turning 75 gold into any boon
graceful bough
Wait, how is gold in the category with boons!?
So there are basically two categories.
rugged apex
yes. see pins in this channel.
graceful bough
my thought wasn't finished
"All the things worth rerolling but gold"
"Everything good and gold"
rugged apex
yes.
graceful bough
The more this feature is discussed the more dumb it seems to me.
It should be reworked or removed.
unkempt pagoda
i mean... there’s two categories, run specific and resources
if you reroll one catagory you get another item in that same category
not that hard
plucky oxide
Boon - Boon - Boon
Boons - Obols - Pom - Heart - Hammer
Keys - Heat - Juice - Darkness
plucky oxide
J u i c e
rugged apex
Juice!
plucky oxide
Only reason to reroll the resources is if you have the Dio max health to get more of your drink on. That, or if you're really hankering for darkness.
Once you've rerolled twice on the miniboss/hard stage rooms (like asterius), you've seen all three boons that can show up via this door.
Shops that can be rerolled drop you into the Boons - Obol - Pom - Heart - Hammer pool
I believe those rooms also have the possibility to be healing rooms
unkempt pagoda
i think any non-boss encounter room just has a chance of being rolled a fountain
plucky oxide
Maybe so! I haven't paid much attention to it, but it's rare that I see darkness or the like awaiting me in such rooms.
unkempt pagoda
i think i've had darkness fountains before? i don't really pay attention
plucky oxide
Again, it's why I said 'I believe', because I really don't know about that last bit. Lemme know if you run into it!
graceful bough
Ughh
Fighting the minotaur before the boss is frustrating.
You need to basically kill him, only for his health to barely be reduced at all in the final fight.
...and then two rooms later I get the butterfly miniboss.
I assume that upgrading Olympian Favor (+% Rare) doesn't in any way nerf God's Pride (+% Epic), right?
I've been sitting at +20% Rare / +25% Epic for a while but have enough darkness to up Olympian Favor all the way. I assume +50% Rare won't lessen my chance for Epic, right?
plucky oxide
It does not get in the way, as far as I can tell. I believe they both 'chew' away at the common %'s.
Personally? I'd max both of those out before going for rerolls.
graceful bough
Well I can right now, which is part of why I bring it up.
Otherwise I'm only 500 away from a second reroll.
heady zephyr
butterfly miniboss is a pretty interesting change of pace, i like it
i will say though that it's kind of impossible to get the pierced butterfly buff if you're fighting one
since its projectiles are really hard to dodge
plucky oxide
I really love the design of the butterfly enemies, and the miniboss-juggling-priorities is super super neat!
I can imagine some builds must have a really tough time against butterfly though
heady zephyr
i really like the butterfly enemy overall, it's just specifically annoying if you're running pierced butterfly since it's nearly impossible to avoid chip damage against them
but that's a hyper specific complaint and you're almost never going to get a chance to empower butterfly by the time you get to elysium anyway
median ridge
so......i just vanquished theseus and asterius in about 15 seconds
vicious cycle + hunting blades
plus a bunch of extra casts and hermes’s cast buff
junior cypress
Do you have a screenshot of your build?
median ridge
sadly no i don't usually screenshot them
but those were the main elements that melted through both their massive health bars within seconds
junior cypress
I, myself, just completed by first 60 heat run.
Put nearly all heat into enemy damage.
It was painful.
But nothing felt quite like destroying Captain Ego and his Faithful Manservant while only taking two hits
unkempt pagoda
👏 that's the way to do it
junior cypress
Now if only discord will let me upload the my victory screen here
Do you need to be a certain role, or is my discord just stuffing up?
median ridge
i believe you need to put it in an imgur and link it
turbid needle
Holy cow, you got 55% on the Pierced Butterfly?
junior cypress
Having the enemies deal 450% extra damage encourages me to get good at dodging
turbid needle
That's a very good point.
I just finished a run with 36.5% on Lambent Plume and 22% from a Boon.
junior cypress
Now I just need to do the same thing again, with twice the heat...
Fun times ahead
turbid needle
I don't think I'm ever gonna seriously go for 120 Heat runs.
junior cypress
How quickly did you vaporise?
turbid needle
Didn't even make it to the Fury.
junior cypress
Hade's new defensive plan for hell:
"Everything one shots Zag lol"
turbid needle
See, what's fun was running a 500% damage run to have high Heat while letting me play mostly the same, and then running into Tisiphone and getting clipped by her thrash attack.
"There goes one Death Defiance. And another. And I'm back at the House."
junior cypress
Sounds about right
turbid needle
Is not being able to move for about a second while reloading a bug or intentional?
because if I keep the movement-input before I shot my last bullet, I will immediately move even while reloading
but if I wait a bit after the reload animation started and then try to move, I won't be able to for about a second
rose pawn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423691767129309189/588607359195021312/unknown.png my first run under 20 mins!
junior cypress
Booooo, 0 heat run.
heady zephyr
@short jasper If those boons add an explicit dash attack to those weapons, it's really unclear and I'll never find that out through gameplay. if you have the artemis dash attack boon you'll generally see the green spark/cross effect on your dash attack if you pull it off
junior cypress
wat r u causal?
rose pawn
I mean I just started playing again haha
I had some heat runs before they added the third stage tho
heady zephyr
you can add a bunch of heat without gimping yourself too hard. the shop price one is an easy gimme
junior cypress
It's the thought and self-inflicted pain that counts during a heat run
short jasper
I did a run with 0 darkness, having maxed stifling for the heat
turbid needle
I mostly do 0 Heat, honestly.
rose pawn
Woah 0 darkness seems pretty hard
junior cypress
That's the spirit!
short jasper
nah, it just took a while. I'd been practicing with the +speed on and having that off helped tremendously build the butterfly bonus
turbid needle
Tie between Blade and Rail, then Shield.
junior cypress
My favourite weapon is undoubtedly the bow.
Its secondary is a glorified shotgun blast.
short jasper
rail special is great, fire and forget
turbid needle
I wish the Bow's special didn't lock you into place for quite so long.
short jasper
explosive return on the shield is great, too, especially once you learn how to miss
or hit a wall
rose pawn
Explosive return is insane haha