Agreed. It's another incredibly strong game-winner.
#h1-builds-and-combat
plucky oxide
wheat elbow
It's true.
You take the sword, you just press q LMB LMB Q repeadedly until everyone is dead
plucky oxide
I think it's just a strange move to buff shield's invulnerability and greatly minimize the size of rail/bow projectiles. Shield is nigh invulnerable, whereas all of the other weapons have been made so you have to be even more precise and cautious.
wheat elbow
if you have Athenas special, you will never have to worry.
If you get faster specials, your rotation changes to "LMB Q"
I don't even mind the projectile width on the rail.
Neither the spread
The only thing about it that feels clunky is the reload
which, I believe is by design.
The only thing I would change about it is that it auto reloads if you press LMB while the clip is empty.
plucky oxide
Aye. I prefer the new sizes of projectile hitboxes. What I don't prefer is a weapon that negates 90% of damage without any form of consideration. Base shield is Dash +Hold Lmb. And most of the hammers don't change this attack pattern, only providing even higher invulnerability and damage output. If anything your tempo changes.
In that way it's exactly like bow Attack, except charging bow doesn't invuln you, or turn you into a massive I-frame for the duration of your attack.
It gives you a small line of projectile-destruction, and requires you to understanding how to kite to not only-keep attacking, but to do so from a safe distance.
wheat elbow
Yeah, I agree on the hammer upgrades for the shield
They are pretty simple and barebone
The bow upgrades I actually like quite a bit
Most of them, at least
Just the base weapon stinks
plucky oxide
Bow Special is lacking, in my eyes, hammer-variant-wise
And base ranged weapons seem lacking in comparison to the options base melee weapons give
wheat elbow
It has amazing damage potencial from up close because you can shotgun it.
You are also forced to close range with a long ranged weapon that makes you immobile with everything you do.
plucky oxide
Every weapon has a trade off. Shield used to be the slow, but incredibly safe route. Sword used to be the risky, intended-high damage option.
wheat elbow
The spear is much more risky imo
The attack needs to be charged super long for the highest single hit among the weapons
plucky oxide
You used to not be able to cancel out of sword special, and it was much slower.
wheat elbow
and the special literally disams you
Spear is one of these weapons that is mediocre from the start
and then sufferes super hard from heated runs
plucky oxide
Shield's damage output and charge speed were incredibly slow, and you didn't have much invuln on your charge.
wheat elbow
One of the big plusses is that you can use the enemy respawn to line up and get a fully charged attack off immediatly on 2-X enemies
if you have the extra hit absorbs on the enemies thanks to the pact, that benefit fizzles into nothingness
If I were to nerf the shield
I would probably reduce the regular attack damage by 5 or so
and would take away some of the knock back on it's attacks
because the knock back on the shield basics is absolutely insane.
Slap Poseidon Attack Boon on top of it and you can rag doll some enemies from one end of the map to the next
celest lake
The first time I tried the spear it was miserable. But the explosive special hammer boon just makes it an entirely different weapon.
wheat elbow
Oh yeah, that boon is actually decent.
Another boon that surprisingly get's better in heated runs is the chain spear boon
because there are more enemies on the map, ramping up that damage with the spear becomes easy.
Of course, then meat bosses and are a useless sitting duck again.
potent agate
I've had to restart Poseidon + Shield runs because I had too much knockback and I kept ragdolling enemies out of the map entirely
wheat elbow
But you had one hell of a time getting there
@potent agate I just love doing that.
Easily among my favorites in the game
I once cleared out the entire first stage with that combo without taking damage
potent agate
Oh it's great as long as they hit a death plane out there!
wheat elbow
I was a bit proud of myself
potent agate
If they fly off the gameworld and just keep going, though, the game softlocks.
wheat elbow
Okay, I don't think I have ever knocked them THAt far.
Flying enemies are usually prone to that, especially brimstones.
Also
Oh my
censorship!
potent agate
(swearbot is swift and swearbot is merciless)
wheat elbow
Would have been swift if he did it without me noticing!
potent agate
(lmao)
wheat elbow
Oh yeah, so
today, I googled who Zagreus is
because I did not recognize the name and wanted to know if he exists in greek mythology or if he is a game original.
Turns out that there really is a Zagreus in greek mythology.
potent agate
(what i tried to say in my second message about swearbot was that it was only occasionally subject to.... a problem whose name is derived from a particular town which happens to be the administrative centre of the North Lincolnshire unitary authority)
wheat elbow
I will not go over his story because I fear that it may end up being a possible spoiler
atomic star
Apparently, 2200 years is still spoiler alert territory
potent agate
(but apparently swearbot finds the name of the, ahem, [administrative centre of the north lincolnshire unitary authority] problem objectionable, which suggests that i may have been a little excessive in attempting to praise it on not being too zealous toward false positives)
wheat elbow
Anyway, what I was meant to say back there
"Also, FUDGE! Brimstones"
They have ruined so many challenge rooms in heated runs for me.
Their lasers are a big pile of BELLONY!
celest lake
Does anyone else feel like picking up bloodstones is slightly awkward? They move so slowly, half of the time dashing directly through one leaves it behind
placid pike
Doing a no mirror bow run. Any advice?
placid pike
Keep on getting hit by dumb stuff. Haven't acclimated to only having one dodge.
Damn, Alecto got me. Her leg sweep comes out too fast for me to dodge via reaction. Have to start predicting it.
tidal stirrup
phew, finally managed to win an Exploding Launcher run
required a Heroic level special boon and 2 special-boosting chaos boons...
but it worked, eventually.
placid pike
Not too bad especially with the dash rework. You just need to realize you can't spam dodge as a desperation escape option and understand spacing a lot more.
plucky oxide
I was just watching the new doom gameplay and noticed that the extra life system works a lot like Death Defiance, in that it doesn't take you out of the game and just refills your health. It's nice to see 'lives' as an active currency within the gameplay loop itself, and not just a static failstate and reload.
I've noticed there's a reroll pool that seems to ONLY be gods (usually a set of three in a cycle), and then there's one that is a pool of hammer/Pom/boon/obol/heart. Rerolling a duo boon room seems to put you in the latter set. Then there's the common items pool as well. Does anyone feel this is true for them too?
lost rose
check the chart in spoilers
someone just posted it a second ago - in short, yeah, there are reroll "groups"
unkempt pagoda
i think maybe the groups are set per run
pastel jolt
chart is also pinned in here
plucky oxide
That's what I'm discussing. I believe there's a secondary group within the gold tier, that's only gods. Specifically, in rooms like the skelebombers in tier 1.
lost rose
oh, yeah, because the reward for minibosses is locked into being a boon
plucky oxide
In addition to that, there have been times when I can reroll out of shops. I don't think I've ever rolled INTO a shop before, though. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think it's the shop before boss rooms that can't be rerolled.
teal helm
Does anyone know what the limit on the # of re-rolls is? Or is it a late-game Darkness sink that increases incrementally & infinitely?
unkempt pagoda
it goes up to 20 rerolls but the darkness cost gets extremely high after 5 of them
5 is 5000, 6 is 10000
heavy vapor
20 rerolls might as well be infinite
autumn tapir
who in the world managed to get high enough darkness to confirm that it was 20 max
unkempt pagoda
speedrunners use a tweaked save, don't think anybody's gotten it legit though
also dataminers
teal helm
Thanks for the info. I only unlocked the third roll over the weekend
unique hull
finally made it to the end for my first time!
heavy vapor
š®
you get the best piece of music in the game
the "I've come back to the Palace of Hades somewhat victorious"
makes for a good text tone
pearl willow
put a bit of artemis synergy behind it and athena's cast can really do some work. i especially love what exit wounds does to shield bearers lol.
atomic star
https://ibb.co/xC9VDVH
I think maybe I didn't have a large enough blade rift size
heavy vapor
biiiiiiiiiiiigger
teal helm
Is it just me, or is there no way to stun-lock the giant Gorgon head? I find that fight a bit obnoxious, especially because you typically don't have a solid build by the time you're there...
celest lake
I don't usually have much trouble with that fight unless I screw up. You can cheese the Thwomp by making it fall into the lava, and then staying behind the Gorgon gets pretty easy
You don't really need to stunlock her because her only attack is a super slow, super telegraphed, low damage projectile
storm sand
the best luck I have is to kite the Thwomp around while watching the gorgon to evade her frequent immobilizing shots. Then pick either to focus. I find as long as I am shooting the Thwomp while evading the Gorgon shots, I quickly take out the Thwomp.
fickle mantle
How do you set the game to show which chamber you're on?
green birch
You canāt display that constantly, but if you press tab it will appear in the corner!
autumn tapir
if a Daedalus Hammer appears in Charon's shop and you don't buy it, does it count towards the "only two hammers" limit, or do you have to actually acquire the hammer for it to count
proud storm
you gotta acquire it
rugged apex
hmm. the sword does seem to be the best weapon to use artemis boons with.
seeing as I have both empowering nova and cruel thrust
I started T&A with 330/345 health and 7 death defiance.
So aphrodite weak effects+bracer seems kind of busted because I was facetanking basically the entire time
let's see, started with 1296 EHP from death defiances, and 50% reduction from aphrodite, 20% from bracer, 15% from bronze skin
I've heard damage reduction effects stack additively
so basically I started this fight with over ten thousand effective health (11080, if I did my math right.)
radiant grove
my save file got corrupted and now I dont have any of my save files
I know its not a lot but I had like 8k darkness
west fox
A question, does gifting ambrosia actually benefit us at all?
pastel jolt
you get a keepsake for the first ambrosia (unless it's hades, he's a jerk) and the rest unlock conversations
west fox
does it let me gift when there are no more conversations to unlock?
rugged apex
no.
celest lake
Once you get the codex, it tells you how many gifts you can give
west fox
Thank you for your answers
wheat elbow
Played two games today
Spear and Bow because that is what the game told me to play (I usually decide by what weapon gives 10% extra dankness)
50 heat, both runs started off very interesting and gave me a feeling of both weapons maybe not being as terrible as I give them credit for
but then Elysium comes and punches me right in my face
hasty moth
Killed Theseus and the minotaur the first time I met em but to be fair I had a shield that did something like 500% damage and made me immortal plus rage every ten seconds. Since then I'm meeting the Minotaur alone and he kills me every time.
plucky oxide
Oof. Your account matches what I've been hearing others say. Shield's in a pretty amazing spot right now, but there's plenty of other fun synergies out there. Take your time to learn the Minotaur's attack pattern! He can be pretty tricky, but understanding his pattern will greatly help you on the Theseus fight later on.
wheat elbow
It should be said that the single encounter with the horny boy has much more HP than the team up with Theseus
And yes
I always tell myself to avoid the single encounter with Beefboy
And I always forget and/or have greed get the better of me.
A fight against Horny Beef is usually a great contributor towards a losing run
pastel jolt
actually, they have the same hp
wheat elbow
I heavily doubt that
astral pebble
man I keep dying by the shield and swords dude š¦
proud storm
same hp bc you end the fight early instead of going through the entire health bar
astral pebble
how many try did you guys took before beating your first run
celest lake
I think it took me something like 35 runs
But I've been playing mostly card games, my reflexes were a bit slow when I started out
wheat elbow
I don't believe that noise
The bull always goes down much faster in the double fight
and that is not because of one or two boons more between those fights.
rugged apex
the bull is easier to damage
proud storm
25 something back when hydra was a nightmare
pastel jolt
i'm literally looking at it right now, buddy
rugged apex
because he does not block a good 50% of your hits
wheat elbow
So did I, the wiki page just says 17000 HP
pastel jolt
because i put it there.
wheat elbow
You could be wrong.
proud storm
oh theyre not wrong
rugged apex
the big difference is literally just *theseus has a shield*
pastel jolt
wheat elbow
I am comparing the bull in his single fight to the bull in the tag team fight
pastel jolt
he has less health in the theseus fight if you previously defeated him in the miniboss
plucky oxide
^
rugged apex
I'm pretty sure the minboss and normal boss have the same health
pastel jolt
that's what i'm trying to say, joan, but apparently i'm wrong even though i have the game files open here right in front of me
wheat elbow
@pastel jolt Now we're talking!
So he does have less health if you fought him before, how much is "less"?
pastel jolt
he has 17,000 health as base. if you defeat him in the miniboss room, he'll start at 80%, or 13,600
proud storm
which is basically theseus' total hp i think
rugged apex
about 20% - the miniboss stops fighting at either 25% or 20%
plucky oxide
It's also represented by 13600/17000, right? Like, the bar is a bit depleted
pastel jolt
yeah, the bar is visibly depleted
the implication being that he hasn't had time to recover fully
plucky oxide
It'd be cool if you walked past a healing fountain on your way to Theseus and saw it'd been used, haha.
wheat elbow
I fight Asterius in almost every run because I suck, so that explains why to me, he always goes down much faster in the double fight than the single fight.
strong sleet
I can finally beat Hydra reliably, but I have gotten to the double fight in Elysium once and died while damaging a little more than a third of both their health bars. I met only Asterius once in another run and died pretty quickly. It seems really tough rn.
native ether
And I always forget and/or have greed get the better of me.
A fight against Horny Beef is usually a great contributor towards a losing run```
I actually highly recommend fighting the Minotaur solo if you have a decent amount of health and know his attack patterns. The less health he starts with in the final fight can be pretty helpful.And the epic boon is very handy
graceful bough
I was just able to give Dusa ambrosia despite having filled out her hearts already.
No dialogue happened, and it said journal updated.
Journal was already complete.
I don't pay enough attention to my ambrosia count to know if it actually used one up, but I assume it did.
atomic star
I often find that if I can't beat the Minotaur solo, I will lose against them combined. Mostly because my build doesn't involve hades blades.
wheat elbow
I had a lot of fights where fighting him solo took so much out of me that I knew I would have won if I had just skipped him
(and that is ignoring all these Shielders and Spear Wielders)
Spear Wielders are heavily underrated imo.
They deal a lot of damage very fast from surprisingly huge distances easily.
plain crypt
Yeah, the spear wielders frequently surprise me
teal helm
For me the T&A fight hinges heavily on the boon I have on my dash. Hades' blade is great for HornyBeef, whereas I prefer Nasty Dash on T. Ares' blades plus Festive Fog Duo Lightning was been my most OP against the two.
I've reached the point, though, where if I'm not even offered a dash-damage boost (dash-attack doesn't count) by the time I face a Fury, I'm just going to suicide & try again. One time I didn't get offered Dash damage until Elysium, and there wasn't a Chaos Gate until room 33 or 35. It was like the game was angry I'd been having fun...
wheat elbow
I always feel like the game is angry with me when it puts the 10% darkness buff on Bow or Spear and/or gives me Ares
grand patrol
perhaps it is
maybe give it a bottle of ambrosia irl
so i guess, a usb stick w a picture of ambrosia sprite on it
fringe briar
is supergiant games going to consider adding a multiplayer mode?
median ridge
nope
trim ingot
zag and gaz
pastel jolt
itās in the faq
heavy vapor
Suergaz
pastel jolt
no multiplayer and no plans to add it
stable oyster
Multiplayer but the second person plays as skelly
mighty ermine
test of endurance; if zag gets bored and stops attacking skelly wins
heavy vapor
š¤
mighty ermine
four hours nonstop skelly fight
heavy vapor
More like top ten anime betrayals
Also does anyone know what the theme of the next update is?
Do you reckon itās the Golden Fleece?
mighty ermine
i mean skelly's job is to be pummeled so they're good
heavy vapor
Or Circe and piggies
mighty ermine
don't think it'll have much of a theme beyond the added god, similar to the good times update
mighty ermine
it is really nice yeah
heavy vapor
Was good times update Dio?
I only started like a week ago with the mega massive sale
unkempt pagoda
yes
heavy vapor
Maybe skelly ascends to godhood finally
That was the hidden contract
Like a chaos boon
Hmm my obol room feedback is at 22-26. Didnāt expect it to be so polarising
Iād have thought it would either be 0-40 or 40-0
atomic star
Your what in the where?
heavy vapor
In the feedback channel I proposed that obol rooms should give you the same cost as what a boon does in charons shop, if itās going to always give the same amount
Currently it gives half that
atomic star
Ahh
heavy vapor
Itās a little more complicated because while obol rooms compete with other gold rooms (boon, Pom, heart), the shop can be either gold or blue
So who knows
atomic star
I always figured that having obol gave your more 'choice / agency /freedom' so that came with a cost of value.
heavy vapor
It comes at way too much of a cost, in my opinion
atomic star
i've been finding even avoiding every obol room, by the time i got to theseus/asterius i still couldn't spend all of it
heavy vapor
Youāre also no guaranteed to see a boon in the shop
atomic star
i mostly don't purchase the "for 3 rooms" things
only one i really ever buy are things that restore health
heavy vapor
Theyāre good, except the jerky only works on attacks and I didnāt notice the first time lol
I guess with Charon trinket itās better
atomic star
The problem is the defensive trinkets are just far superior to mostly everything else; at least in Elysium.
I mean if you're a perfect player and avoid 100% of the damage, sure you don't need it. But most people are not that good.
plucky oxide
If I had a choice between an extra death defiance or a cast +% from a well, and I'm going in to Theseus, my choice heavily favors what I'm currently running. However, the two effectively do similar things. More health gives you perceived 'longevity', allowing you take take more risks and mess up more to finish the fight. More damage gives you increased damage output, which increases the speed at which you whittle down the boss' hp. The faster you kill a boss, the faster you're out of the room. In truth, the two options give you /similar/ effects. They're just two sides of the same coin. The reason why death defies are so much nicer than increased damage %'s, is that they don't have time limit often associated with buffs.
Do you have last stand? Then Death Defiances are a must. Ares cast? That's a toss up. Your win might already be guaranteed, so if the game was longer you'd have a much harder time debating between temporary damage up or another death defiance for much later.
I for one, take Athena's trinket in the last zone and shoot for a Last Stand. The amount of expendable health it gives you, especially when already stockpiled with death defies, is insanely powerful.
Honestly, if buffs from wells were 'for the rest of the floor', I'd prefer that system. I think they'd incentivize differently than they currently do. I really only need the buffs for the dps-spike to clear the end of the floor, and it would incentivize players to spend money on early wells instead of stockpiling for shop.
rocky goblet
What's happen with Hermes?
green birch
No clue! We just anticipate him for the next update
unborn inlet
What do people think of the Longspears in Elysium? I currently struggle with them both at mid-long range and in short range due to the almost zero windup attacks, and whenever the room with like 8 elite longspears spawn I know I'm just gonna lose a death defiance trying to fight them
Them and the shields and sometimes theseus are the only things that kill me anymore, and it's infuriating.
strong sleet
The exalted greatshields are really powerful imo
rugged apex
longspears are pretty bad because they have super fast windups
unborn inlet
I do agree with that, for me it's always evading the shield boys at arms reach and trying to get them into an environmental trap
strong sleet
Also: dodging longspears and nemean chariots is really hard in the later half of Elysium
unborn inlet
Thank god I'm not the only one struggling, thought there was a trick I was missing to the spears
I had never got close enough to a Nemean to realise that whenever you have to evade them round corners, they don't get stunned on them like Asterion
strong sleet
I find most of the exalted enemies to be hard to deal with about halfway through
unborn inlet
Which was a moment that involved a lot of screaming
strong sleet
Oof
lost rose
the shields are my least favorite, followed by the spears
strong sleet
Yeah the archer seems alright to deal with. Unless I have a nice dash ability like Nasty Dash, I have a considerable amount of trouble with shields
unborn inlet
Nasty Dash?
strong sleet
Dionysus dash
unborn inlet
Ah, it's rare I choose him.
strong sleet
His dash ability is one of my favorites
unborn inlet
Visually I love Dionysus' stuff, but mechanically I prefer raw damage to DOT
Also, the absolute horror of a thanatos room in elysium, like elysium is hard enough, don't give me 3x as many enemies to killl
lost rose
i just let thanatos take care of them and then i clean up the leftovers gkdfjgfd
strong sleet
Yeah let him kill the exalted then kill the squishy orbs so it counts as your kill
š
unborn inlet
Hahaha, yeah, that's my tactic for it too
Just didn't work out that time because of all the longspears.
lost rose
thanatos: i'm here to help
me: great! š¹
strong sleet
Itās hard to survive it without massive amounts of dashing
My thumb almost seized up the first time Thanatos came to Elysium
unborn inlet
Lol, I died there cause of the arena setup, circled back into a pact of longspears, and those boys lock on at lightning speed
strong sleet
Quick question: Does Exit Wounds and Festive Fog not work together? I had a run where I took an epic Exit Wounds and ended up taking Festive Fog a little later. I couldnāt really tell if it did anything to be honest.
unborn inlet
I didn't think it did, because your fog isn't IN them?
lost rose
They don't work together, I don't think
strong sleet
Big F in my part then
unborn inlet
You know the way some heroes have combos, is there a list of them all?
strong sleet
You can find duo boons on the wiki if thatās what you mean
unborn inlet
Sweet, was unsure of someone had documented them
I'm pretty rigourous about my builds, but was curious to see if there were any duos I hadn't exploored.
strong sleet
I believe itās the Ares & Aphrodite one that is cut rn though (correct me if Iām wrong)
unborn inlet
It isn't actually telling me what that one is on the wiki
rugged apex
it was lifesteal of some sort
forest marsh
It was the Ares + Aphro that was cut, yes. It was called Curse of Longing
It wasn't lifesteal, though
rugged apex
it's not in right now anyway
forest marsh
It allowed refreshing Doom effects on enemies that were Weak
So as long as the enemy was Weak, Doom would keep proc'ing without you having to reapply it
unborn inlet
Interesting, having now seen how Ares works, I'm tempted to take him out for a spin again
Any weapons anyone would like to recommend with him?
strong sleet
Yeah I can see why theyāre reworking Curse of Longing
forest marsh
In particular, Curse of Longing was hella broke when combined with Dire Misfortune and Empty Inside
strong sleet
Ooh yeah I can see that
green birch
For Ares weapons, he pairs well with high damage and slower attacks
Sword or shield is a good choice
unborn inlet
So Stygian Blade and Corronacht?
strong sleet
Shield and sword yeah
green birch
Coronacht yes, not for special tho
atomic panther
Coronacht special works great because of how many enemies you can apply to at once
green birch
Hmmm tru
atomic panther
That was my favored build path before MDK
unborn inlet
He says this right after I use a daedalus hammer to upgrade corronacht.
strong sleet
It doesnāt work if youāre just trying to backstab one enemy with bow special though
green birch
I tend to prefer to load a lot of hits on one enemy or use it to deflect personally
green birch
^
strong sleet
Curious, but what is your preferred bow upgrade? Mine is triple shot
green birch
Relentless barrage
It goes so well with Athena but even without it cleans up witch attacks so well
forest marsh
Triple Shot is great
You can make some silly special builds with combined Relentless Barrage and Piercing Barrage, though
green birch
Whatās the best application for triple shot? I can never get it to play well with me
Yessssssss special bow builds are my fave
forest marsh
It's nice vs mobs and at point blank (Triple Shot)
strong sleet
I use triple shot when I have a lot of DoT effects so I can spread it easier
forest marsh
It's surprising how often the spread shot hits multiple enemies at distance with Triple Shot
strong sleet
Works super well if I have something like Peer Pressure
green birch
Ah, ok. Iāll have to give that a try sometime then
strong sleet
Piercing Barrage + Relentless Barrage is a great combo
Only had it one run so far and I murdered my way up to Asterius
Rapid Shot + Triple Shot is another favorite of mine
forest marsh
I say no thank you to Rapid Shot, but that's just me
strong sleet
Again, I like my DoT effects A LOT, so I want to get stacks as fast as possible
forest marsh
Power Shots are deeply ingrained into my muscle memory
green birch
Yeah I love my powershot haha... just got the hang of power dash
forest marsh
But have you gotten the hang of pre-charging your power shots while you're still dashing? 
green birch
forest marsh
I can do it for a while, but eventually the rapid button switching hurts my thumb
strong sleet
Stop! Youāre too superior for me to be in your presence!
green birch
Do you use a controller?
forest marsh
Yes
green birch
Ahhh ok
strong sleet
Ohhh
forest marsh
But yeah, you can start charging the power shot as soon as you press dash so the overall charge time is even shorter
Well, perceived charge time
strong sleet
Whoah thatās nice
green birch
Iāll have to remember that!
strong sleet
Yeah same next bow run def trying that
forest marsh
It's probably easier on KBM, since dash and attack are controlled by entirely different hands
green birch
Ironically I only ever have hand issues with KBM lol
forest marsh
Yeah, KBM has its own set of issues
Luckily I've mostly solved my own issues with KBM (for work) with having spent so long working on a computer
Ergonomics are important!
strong sleet
Yeah I forget to cast quite a bit using KBM unless I have a run that is focusing on cast effects
Ergonomics are key
green birch
Same, cast is such an afterthought for me aha
strong sleet
I need to do it more for boiling blood
forest marsh
The thing that helped me the most was getting a vertical mouse and also having my armrest be the same level (approximately) as my mouse. I swear this is Hades related... it will... help you play longer?
green birch
Close enough haha
strong sleet
Yeah if my mouse hand is below my computer while playing, Iām not having a good time
green birch
I tend to be satisfied after 2 runs in a row tho lol, for some reason I just. Donāt feel the need to play much longer after that
strong sleet
I think I did about 7 runs today at least. But Iām also the type who only plays a few days between major updates
Because I forget
green birch
It be like that sometimes aha
I havenāt played in a minute but Iāll probably get back on that before the end of the week
strong sleet
Iād play at least a little before the update in a week
forest marsh
I plan to play tonight, and probably in the evenings for the rest of the week pre-update, so I can get back in shape for the patch. I've been slacking off and playing a lot of Dauntless between this patch and the last 
forest marsh
I'm so sorry 
strong sleet
I want to beat Theseus and Asterius at least once before the update hits
Havenāt managed to yet
forest marsh
You'll get there soon, I'm sure 
strong sleet
I started playing again yesterday so Iām trying to get used to their attack patterns
forest marsh
As Hypnos says: Have you tried not getting hit? 
strong sleet
forest marsh
They definitely take some getting used to
strong sleet
Theseus works similar to the exalted archers I noticed
forest marsh
Taking Asterius as a mid-boss fight first can help you practice at least his half of the fight, plus it makes the final fight easier
Yeah, he does
strong sleet
Asterius is usually the one that rekts me
forest marsh
I think it would be cool if Theseus randomly picked a weapon each time you fought him (sword, shield, bow, spear)
heavy vapor
He has all four. Bits of it anyway
Bull rush, spear throw, rail aoe (admittedly thatās a god power)
Maybe not now.
Bow**
forest marsh
Yeah, I just mean to have more distinct combat rather than a blend. It is a good blend of them, though, you're right
heavy vapor
Heās you, from the future
forest marsh
Oh please no
strong sleet
Wait Theseus has bull rush? I thought it was Asterius that does
heavy vapor
He has bullrush. If you get close enough he does a telegraphed spin, then a rush and spin
Itās like spear aoe
strong sleet
Ooh
heavy vapor
But also moves forward
strong sleet
Noted
heavy vapor
Itās huge
forest marsh
Yeah, Theseus is much more manageable at distance. He gets nasty up close
heavy vapor
I find itās the opposite
Canāt manage him if you donāt shoot his sweet sweet manly booty
Head tap meme
Basically, his bullrush gives you the longest opening
strong sleet
I kinda wish there was more incentive for the Asterius mid-boss fight. Like if you defeat him, itās only Theseus at the end.
Havenāt beat him yet, so not sure if thatās already a thing, but I assume that heās still there at the end
forest marsh
He has less health in the final fight
woven summit
wait, actually?
forest marsh
Which is already an improvement from when they were first introduced, 'cause defeating him in mid-boss originally did nothing for the final fight
unborn inlet
Yeah he's missing like 25% of his hp
strong sleet
Yikes
unborn inlet
It's not reaaaaaaaaaaaallly noticeable, but it's nice.
woven summit
but it seems almost nothing to me..
strong sleet
Yeah still not a lot of incentive to do so, especially since if I do manage to beat him eventually, Iāll probably be low on health and maybe use up some defiances
strong sleet
Nice job lol
unborn inlet
Oh lol, I haven't unlocked that one yet thankfully
Didn't realise it affected bosses too though
woven summit
i am playing with 60 heats
quite hard for me noe
*now
sometimes i just beat hydra and die in elysium just 5 or 6 chambers
the souls are quite hard to deal with ,since i'll take more damage, foes have more life, having more foes and two blocks?
the two blocks foes have are quite easy to deal with sometimes , if i have dio boons
forest marsh
I like Death Insurance only if I'm using a weapon with high attack rate/large attack area. Shield, for instance, can handle it fine with typical bull rush spam strategies
Bow with Death Insurance is not fun unless you build specifically for it
woven summit
with bow, you just need to dash adn power shot, dash and power shot,repeat hundred times to clear a chamber in elysium lol
forest marsh
Oh, you can definitely do it. It's just time consuming and not very fun (in my opinion)
strong sleet
I havenāt done anything with pact of punishment yet, but the only ones I can see myself using currently is Tenebrous Veil and Shared Misery
woven summit
convenience fee is an option if you don't need to buy bedroom decorations
forest marsh
Oh boy, if you think Tenebrous Veil is something you want to use, you will be sorely disappointed
I would argue it's the hardest one to use successfully
forest marsh
It removes choices for boons
unborn inlet
Gotta say, I love shared misery
unborn inlet
Just that tiny bit extra gold is a nice reward for that challenge
woven summit
even just reduce 1
strong sleet
I am usually pretty adaptable when it comes to boons so I wouldnāt mind the challenge
woven summit
but sometimes you will find yourself quite incompetent with many boons that are not coorperating well
it is disappointing
strong sleet
Very true, which is why I said that itād be a good challenge
Does it only apply to boons or Daedalus hammers as well?
And poms?
forest marsh
Everything
strong sleet
Fun
forest marsh
Well, except stores
forest marsh
I could be mistaken, honestly. I'm not sure now whether I've ever gone to a store with Tenebrous Veil on (I may have, but I don't use TV often)
I think it's worded to be just reward choices though
woven summit
maybe i'll try it today
strong sleet
Hmmm let me see if I can find it
forest marsh
Oh, maybe I mistook what you meant. If you buy a boon from Charon, it will still have reduced choices. When I say store, I mean the Well of Charon
Not Charon's offerings
strong sleet
Oh ok gotcha
strong sleet
That makes sense because it wouldnāt affect items only upgrades
woven summit
aaa
upbeat junco
right now im doing a zeus rail build, and was wondering if the Invigorating hammer upgrade (increases damage by 100%) increases the damage of the chain lightning as well
atomic star
I hope they consider permanently listing your chamber number so you don't have to hit tab
teal helm
OOfff... Unless they add in the ability to cancel out of the special attack animation I'm gonna give the bow a pass for a while. Especially if you "upgrade" the Special to fire double the projectiles, AKA, the "Human Target" upgrade. I picked that once and regretted it immediately.
heavy vapor
You canāt animation cancel out of anything except reloading so I donāt see why you should be able to animation cancel specifically that attack
forest marsh
It can be quite effective, but definitely isn't going to be the playstyle for everyone
unborn inlet
Is there any current in game benefit to sucking up to the gods with Ambrosia?
Apart from the first ambrosia of course.
frank dew
some dialog options
unborn inlet
Of course, which is always nice, but I was wondering if there was a mechanical perk, like say a 5% increase chance in a rare item coming up kinda thing
trim ingot
no
unborn inlet
Oh well, I'm a completionist, so stocking up Ambrosia for the promised day
frank dew
i mean no reason not to use them
unborn inlet
I meant that I'm nearly done with everyone's dialogue
Except hades, got another 979 on that one
heavy vapor
well
the reason not to use your ambrosia is to trade it for keys or darkness or heat
probs just keys and darkness tbh
heat you get enough of eventually
unborn inlet
I honestly completely forget the trader is a thing
He arrives with so little fanfare that I just forget he's there lol
unborn inlet
I thought he didn't arrive with the lounge, he instead arrives a few sessions afterwards?
heavy vapor
oh. maybe.
I was fairly certain they're tied toegehter.
maybe I got lucky
also, I just started a run and got +133% chaos boon for obols
and +67% rewards from Poseidon
M O N E Y B A G S
262 Obols? more like +610
celest lake
He was there as soon as the lounge opened for me
He just wasn't helpful until much later
heavy vapor
oh. charon's money boon is actually a much, much bigger deal than I realise
poseidon's is only room rewards
I seeeee
vale sphinx
You basically get to buy everything
heavy vapor
yea.
vale sphinx
Shops become āTake boon/pom + pom/heart + heal/darknessā
heavy vapor
I suppose poseidon's boon does make obol rooms closer to what I think they should be worth, which is 150-ish.
so that's a boon
well it's not that
it's also being able to grab every well item
including cosmetics
vale sphinx
Poseidon boon feels extremely good on hearts at least to me
Mainly because I suck at not getting hit and I need them lmao
heavy vapor
hahah
I'm doing 0 heat streaks
I took a break for a few days, so I'm still only at 4
but yea the +80% HP on hearts is pretty sweet
vale sphinx
To be fair Iām a special case lol, Iām at something like 6k darkness? I have everything maxed out except the epic mirror buff, still havenāt beaten anything, 0 heat
heavy vapor
yea...
treasure tracker + base level charon trinket
still 4 rooms of guaranteed troves
I don't understand why every trove is now giving me ambrosia?
vale sphinx
At what point can you straight up bribe charon to get you up
Like, some amount of coins must be just appealing enough, right? :D
heavy vapor
nah, bottomless is bottomless
it's like Lina Inverse
i literally cannot spend these obols fast enough
heavy vapor
awww man, died
errant narwhal
what did you think it was? :0
hard holly
X rerolls per door, perhaps?
errant narwhal
that would be super op lol
hard holly
But also fun, admittedly
unborn inlet
Rooms that consist of only elites of one enemy are simply badly designed rooms, I feel like this is especially true of Longspears and Shields.
Anyone is welcome to come and contest this, now deep seated view that I hold.
I also have criticisms of just the shields and longspears in general, in that fighting the shields is an exercise in patience more than it is any real skill, except for the ocassional dodge, but they move too fast at close range to ever be stoppable in groups of more than 2.
And I'd need to watch footage back but it feels like the Longspears lock onto you at any point in your dash, make their jump, then they have a splash radius around them, so even if you're coming out of the dash you still get hit.
stable oyster
Just use sudden rush problem solved
unborn inlet
Sudden rush?
errant narwhal
shield hammer upgrade
stable oyster
The best hammer upgrade
pearl willow
sudden rush is convenient but i like both the power shot and dashing wallop more
stable oyster
Power shot takes too long
mighty ermine
yeah, dashing wallop is my fave of the bunch
rugged apex
hmm, curse of eternity+hunting blades is good. theseus didn't even live for thirty seconds.
vale sphinx
What does wallop do? I donāt think I saw that one
heavy vapor
Yea I thought it was rerolls per chamber
I wouldnāt mind having it be capped at 1-2 and be per chamber
pearl willow
wallop turns your dash attack into a big beautiful 360 degree attack and grants +100% dash attack damage. i want to say it also increases knockback force but that could just be a result of the damage increase? im not certain.
placid silo
How do you get Orpheus to sing?
pastel jolt
give him ambrosia
autumn tapir
ok many hours late but what, @unborn inlet you don't enjoy a room full of 30 armored numbskulls?
unborn inlet
I mean that's fair, for lower enemies I can see it as being justifiable
But once you're in Asphodel and Elysium, it's just, ugh
Plus I'm biased, I only ever get elite shield/longspear full rooms in Elysium
heavy vapor
Oh Orpheus sings?
I just assumed he never would given the original myth
And by never I mean until next update lol
atomic panther
Yeah, Orpheus sings if ||you get far enough along in his gift track.||
atomic star
Are you guys just hoarding ambrosia for the next update?
heavy vapor
I spend it at the trader but otherwise yes
pearl willow
i have more than the game will probably ever need š
median ridge
time to SPEEDrun our friendship level with hermes
stable oyster
Well I mean its supposed to be the hardest area in the game
(continuing the Elysium conversation)
brittle vault
How do you make the spear feel good? I know you're literally poking them with the pointy end, but man, the damage is so low
rugged apex
tbh I think the spin attack is the best part of it? but it's also hard to get a build that can really let you spin to win, especially with the charge time
celest lake
I think the explosive special is fantastic. I actually did pretty well with it, although not well enough to beat Theseus
rugged apex
oh yeah, good point - explosive launcher is a really good hammer upgrade. the rest of its hammers aren't as impressive, though.
hexed abyss
My first time using the spear i got my furthest at the time, and what I had was the upgrade that changes your spin attack to just a fast flurry of jabs. That, plus stacking sickness, were the main combo that carried me far
i definitely had other usefull stuff but those were the staples of that build
vale sphinx
I like spear but mainly just because of what it lets you do with different boons
By itself itās a little bland I agree
autumn tapir
spear is basically a blight wine stick
slap things until they die of sickness
autumn yarrow
https://puu.sh/DCg5I/8289c81a1c.png hahaha i was so tilted after 3 days and decided to not care and finally beat it with a lvl 9 passion dash
plucky oxide
A very dispassionate run, you might say
autumn yarrow
at around lvl 7, the pomegranates only make it better by 2 damage
heavy vapor
Poms are way worse than just a new random boon in my experience
Especially if youāre doing trade ins
Then you get a Pom for free
plucky oxide
Poms used to be insane when they didn't give reduced returns
It's either one or two poms in everything, or all in on the Only Thing you're using.
heavy vapor
I see
When I first started I assumed you didnāt get bonuses for trading in
So I thought you were supposed to use poms after deciding on like 6 boons to use
Now I now to avoid poms as much as possible
Assuming thereās like, almost anything else to choose
placid silo
What are good upgrades for the bow?
It's pretty much the only weapon I use XD
vale sphinx
I adore zeus special on bow
placid silo
I love using twin shot
Combine that with Artemis' crit boons :')
heavy vapor
I forgot how much Hades owes to Bastion
the enemy designs are derivative, but because I haven't played Bastion in years, it was only vaguely familiar haha
wheat elbow
I like double shot, explosive shot, tripple shot, 100% more special arrows and piercing special overall
The bow is a bad weapon in my book, but the upgrades are all pretty strong and/or interesting and transformative.
wheat elbow
I said it before, I say it again, nobody will convince me that Aphrodite and Dyonysus are bad.
Aphrodite is probably the most solid god in the game before her boons usually end up doing a lot for you with minimal investment.
sinful kraken
is there any reason to pick dyonysus over ares at all though? doesnt curse flat out do more damage?
wheat elbow
Dyonysus just keeps amazing me in ways I do not see coming myself at all-
@sinful kraken You go to the self-promotion channel and check my last two videos out. They will do a good job answering my take on that question.
Ares is the worst god in the game in my book by far, with hunting blade being the only saving grace.
icy edge
Aphrodite is also kinda safe, so risk-seeking players wont appreciate her
wheat elbow
She is just very efficient imo.
Just take her dash as an example.
One of the most damaging dashes, covers a decent area
applies a debuff for prefered status, reduces enemy damage dealt by 50%
Cimpare that to a god like Zeus who basically gives you less damage on only one target without anything extra.
You need to invest a ot of time getting a lot of Zeus boons to make his dash worth your while.
Same for Ares,, Artemis and a lot of other gods
Aphrodites dash is just great all by itself.
Same goes for her attack and special, decent damage, good effect
The added passives boons are just as nice and work independendly on their own without much preperation or having to look out for specific synergies.
You can meet Aphrodite 1. 2 or 3 times in a run and can be sure that these times will matter to your run greatly
(unless you see her Wrath or her cast effects, they don't really do much. Ah, and the increased weakening duration is mediocre in a lot of runs too.)
heavy vapor
dio has better uptime than ares
for sick vs doom
the math is about the same, too. for damage
wheat elbow
On that last run I played, I had 6 damage every 0.5 per stack
so 30 damage every 0.5
How long does Doom take to trigger?
heavy vapor
1.1s
wheat elbow
That's actually less than what it feels like, interesting.
heavy vapor
ie; each stack of sick is 10X, where X is the number given
so roughly eyeballing it, the numbers are equivalent
of course, dio favors rail slightly more, and ares favors spear and bow instead
wheat elbow
I am not sure if I necessarily agree with that.
Doom on Rail Special could be good because the timing would mean that no Doom proc would go to waste
wheat elbow
If you take it.
It has to show up for that in the first place, but aside from that, yes, it's true
heavy vapor
there's only a few circumstances where I wouldn't, from my runs so far
wheat elbow
Tripple Mortar is great, but the other hammer boons of the rail are very good all by themselves as well.
Shotgun and Explosive shots are arguably my favorites.
I'd also go and say that the one where your special makes you deal 100% extra damage also qualifies as one of the best boons
heavy vapor
shotgun's annoying to use optimally, so I generally avoid it if I can
invigorating boon is also a little annoying to use currently
you can't have no hitbox when it hits
ie; can't be dashing, or using a wrath that removes your hitbox
wheat elbow
I did not have a lot of problems with either and the problems I did have were not caused by them.
But that is a matter of preference I'd say.
heavy vapor
they're not problems per se, they're just annoyances
i'm sure I could get used to the shotgun upgrade
wheat elbow
It also depends on the attack boon you have.
heavy vapor
nah, my annoyance is that the fire rate is inconsistent owing to the dash attack having shorter anticipation and recovery frames
aka frontswing/backswing both being shorter
so sometimes you get a double shot which throws off my sense of rhythm
wheat elbow
Lost a 25 heat run like a scrublord.
Ares showed up three times, so even though it mostly came down to poor play, I will blame him anyway for clogging space that could have been taken by actually good gods.
wheat elbow
And I am just tired of seeing Ares all the time.
If I could turn off seeing him, I would
trail sinew
Ahoi mates. Got a problem. In elisium when u meet Sophocles i cant speak with him. So Gate is shut. What now. Any ideas?
lost rose
Report it with F10 please!
lost rose
Unfortunately I'm not sure ^^; No way to suicide in Elysium...
lost rose
Not that I know of...
SGG folks will be online in uhhh 4 hours or so
They might have advice
trail sinew
I Will repost it then. Thank you Sir
rugged apex
I have a new question/thing to figure out - does Freak Accident have the ability to crit, itself?
it doesn't seem to. bleh.
rugged apex
it'd be so much better if it did.
vale sphinx
By default without pressure points it shouldnāt be right?
rugged apex
hunter's mark, too
vale sphinx
hm
Unrelated - is there a single person without a flag in their avi on this server?
:D
vale sphinx
Itās a nice place I like it, very colorful
robust garden
hey guys are you sure you can't get high voltage or double strike with lightning strike?
pastel jolt
where did you hear that? it's very possible to stack em up like that
oh wait, i misread
(i misread "lightning strike" as "storm lightning" somehow :'D)
@robust garden You can only get High Voltage or Double Strike if you already have Thunder Flourish (Special), Thunder Dash, or Thunder-God's Fury (Wrath)
trail sinew
Any SGG people here?
turbid needle
pastel jolt
i had some hope that the wiki is wrong rude, who do you think makes sure the wiki stays up to date :C
trail sinew
@turbid needle any Way to tag? What is her username?
@finite shadow hi hope its not rude to tag you like that but i Have a qestions.
finite shadow
hi! question away
trail sinew
Well in elisium there is a guy. Sophocles if im correct. I can gift him but he is rude and dont want to talk to me. So Door is closed So i cant progres. What to do?
pastel jolt
his name is patroclus
pastel jolt
maybe he'll be a little less rude if you talk to him!
trail sinew
Its immposible thats the point
finite shadow
Can you talk to him normally? He should offer you some items in return
hm, I'm sorry! Can you press F10 and give us a bug? It sounds like something went wrong
rugged apex
hmm. that's odd - maybe you should look at him in the codex?
trail sinew
Nothing work
rugged apex
it shouldn't get stuck even if you don't, though.
trail sinew
And i cant suecide there
No option to give up
Dead Save?
Plz no i Will be So sad
@finite shadow i recived a item but nothing else. Any console comand for give UP or something? Any ideas?
finite shadow
if you received an item and the door still doesn't open, can you hit the F10 button to file a bug report? unfortunately we don't have any console commands to terminate the run
I can take a look at the save if you upload the save file (found in "Documents > Saved Games > Hades")
trail sinew
@finite shadow will do that in 2 h. I know its EA but i Will be sad if i Will lose my game progre
finite shadow
I'm sorry, we'll be sure to help!
trail sinew
@finite shadow Hi I send u message with save file as you asked
calm sable
Sword Nova really is something huh 
It's my favorite weapon but the Nova hammer upgrades + Athena is really throwing it out of line hahaha
would be happy to see some Exagryph buffs on Tuesday too 
worn estuary
Hi,
I have just been killed by a Wretched Lout with its dash attack. The thing is that the foe was on the top of my screen and its dash attack has enought range to start from out of my screen... thus I did not see it. I do not know if this has to be fix or not, but I think it could be good that the player could see at least the begin of this dash.
lost rose
just out of curiosity, are you playing with heat on? the speed boost from the pact of punishment makes attack ranges longer
worn estuary
oh ok , i did not noticed this so far. thank you for the info š
rocky sage
does anyone know if the cast mark counts as a curse??
unkempt pagoda
only status effects from god boons should affect privileged
icy edge
Would the butterfly be too strong if the bonus remained even if you swap trinkets?
frank dew
Yes definately
autumn tapir
yeah everyone would just use butterfly in tartarus to get as much of a bonus as they can, and then swap to Skull Earring for an easy ~+60% damage buff
wheat elbow
Pierced Butterfly is arguably my most favorite keepsake
it rewards good play
The god-centric keepsakes feel a bit awkward compared to others.
I wouldn't mind if the god-keepsakes were another kind of keep sake on their own.
Could add in some kind of dark thirst effect to encourage mixing it up constantly.
pastel jolt
no
robust garden
yea i just noticed.
unkempt pagoda
press f for hunting blades which is most definitely getting nerfed in the next update
calm sable
Kinda deserves it 
I took it out for one final trip
...together with its two other Artemis Duo boons
pastel jolt
the requirements on deadly reversal and freak accident are really relaxed
i could definitely see multi-duos happening
robust garden
well i know what im trying to do next time
coarse falcon
what weapon do you think 8is the strongest?
robust garden
it's really up to preference
coarse falcon
I like the gun, especially with the 80 damage bolt upgrade
are they all pretty balanced
robust garden
but i personally like bow and gun
coarse falcon
fairs
robust garden
and sword
coarse falcon
they're all fun to use
it's a really promising game it's insane i picked it up for under a fiver
robust garden
i got it in like december for 20
robust garden
and i couldn't play it until 2 months ago
coarse falcon
;o
robust garden
but since price dropped i got a partial refund
robust garden
what controversial opinion
robust garden
oh i mean it's decent
coarse falcon
it looks a lot better than steam
robust garden
but it's still way worse than steam imo
coarse falcon
could just be better laid out
unborn inlet
What's everyone's opinion on the weapon with the weakest upgrades from the Deadalus hammer?
Cause I'm torn between Corronaucht and Stygian atm
autumn tapir
imo it's spear
the sword has some insane hammer upgrades
especially for the special, Empowering Nova is good
Flurry Blade is cool if you combo it with artemis/zeus boons
World Splitter is...World Splitter
autumn tapir
which sucks cause I love spear
unborn inlet
Spear and Bow are the two that give me the most trouble
plucky oxide
My current favoring:
Shield (consistently excels, with insane i-frames, often too easy with low effort)
Sword (has niche options that are insane, one such being a low effort special run)
Bow (in a good state, if dry. Needs more special options that mix up its play style. More reliable than rail, if lacking Rail's potential insanity scaling)
Rail (in a good state, though hammer is quite necessary in comparison to, say, shield or sword. I find I'm not enjoying using the weapon until I get a hammer)
Spear (fast spin attack is insane when abused appropriately, though personally lacking in flavor. Spear special runs can only hold my attention for so long in comparison to the other weapons.)
unborn inlet
Special runs are beginning to bore me
Pressing Q after a lot of positioning is just, annoying
I say as I immediately begin a bow special run after getting the +100 shots for the Daedalus hammer
plucky oxide
They're fun when you're still applying game knowledge for the first few times, but not mechanically demanding enough to hold my attention for much longer than that
unborn inlet
I do like the stygian blade and the rail specials though, they feel more skillful than the others
Well, as long as you don't daedalus the blade for specials, then it just goes insane
plucky oxide
Yeah, I like Stygian blade's special when its not the only button I press.
And rail special requires prediction, which makes it more engaging overall
unborn inlet
Also if I get rail special I always go for the 3 so it feels like I'm calling in an airstrike
Otherwise I just make the nyooooowwhhh sound as the bomb comes down
kindred wren
I used to hate the bow so I over-practiced with it and now it became my most used/skilled at weapon...
graceful bough
Just beat Theseus and the Minotaur with 14 health left on my final life. Talk about harrowing!
I think the enemies spawning after you kill one of them is overkill.
If anything the fight becomes harder.
Thus making the better choice to try to kill them both around the same time.
Which feels... cheap.
unborn inlet
I'd argue it requires more skill to whittle them both down
And execute
also grats
graceful bough
You should be able to kill one and then have some relief as you take the other one out.
Instead you get constantly bombarded with chariots that keep respawning no matter how many times you kill them.
It ain't fun.
Figuratively and also kind of literally.
Dealing with the chariots in that fight really isn't fun.
unborn inlet
I was about to ask, is theseus' spear attack on a regular timing or is there some difference
I'm going to tear off proxy bot's limbs
Asking cause I died on a 100 heat run to his spear and I swear to god that thing isn't on a clockwork timing
Cause the minotaur is easy to dodge any day of the week, theseus is the problem in that fight
graceful bough
If only you could take out the minotaur so you wouldn't have to split your focus while taking out Theseus.
but that only makes things worse, datadatada~
š
graceful bough
I just encountered the weirdest of glitches that I reported with F10.
Smack in the middle of battle, Zag's running speed was reduced to an unbearable crawl.
I was fighting the Elysium boss, too. It was out of nowhere and majorly crippled me.
Probably what caused me to lose.
viral egret
What are considered the best shield upgrades from the hammer? I've got explosive return, sudden rush, and mirage flight as options right now.
plush blaze
Explosive return
viral egret
Still getting the hang of everything and I'm a bit new
viral egret
Sweet. thanks!
celest lake
On the subject of hammer upgrades, I think that the shield has the ones I care about least, at least partly because the shield is already so good without them. If I'm not getting explosive return, I'm plenty happy going through an entire shield run without a single hammer.
On the other hand, the bow and spear are so much weaker that if I don't have a hammer upgrade they just feel awful. But a good first hammer can make them powerful enough to be on par with the other weapons
And rail goes from decent to amazing if you can get the Heavy Slug hammer upgrade. It's just absurdly powerful
wheat elbow
I once had a fun sword run that really surprised me.
Hammer Upgrades were the one where special has a chance to make regular attacks crit for 2 seconds and the world splitter, making the regular attack deal 80 damage
Not sure what my special and my dash were, but the regular attack was poseidon for sure. Dash after enemies - Special, Attack for big crit
It was oddly satisfying to play
native ether
also on the topic of hammers, I think the spear has the most underwhelming ones imo. None of them really drastically change how you play (and the ones that do dont do it well imo) I'm personally ok with this cause I feel the spear is the best weapon without rail modifiers personally, so it has a very "good all around but weaker buffs" feel to it
I think the Rail has the most exciting and fun hammer upgrades though. I can't say ive found a Rail upgrade that isnt impactful in some way. Makes getting hammers very important if you do a rail run.
wheat elbow
I agree on the rail having some of the best modifications
The spead does have a couple good ones as well though.
There is the one that makes your special an exploding projectile, or, as I love to call it
"actually useable"
Another one that makes your spear bounce for increasing damage. That one is actually amazing for roomclear in heated runs, but sadly, that is about it. Still fun though because the damage ends up being ridiculous.
median ridge
funny, i found the heavy slug hammer on rail to be completely unusable
iām sure the damage is good but i canāt aim it to save my life and it takes so long between shots
itās like a slower bow with no aim preview
echo sphinx
I can aim just fine I just despise reloading
median ridge
i discovered it will do an aim preview if you donāt dash attack
which....really seems counterintuitive that the dash attack would be the worst version
rocky sage
funny thing is it actually helped me
@graceful bough the enemies spawning let me hit theseus with my shield lol
although whats an over kill for is that i dont know where theseus is at all times since he isnt on the screen so idk where to hide when he chucks his spear
icy edge
People bash on shield hammers, but I actually quite like any shield special hammer with ares or zeus or aphrodite
echo sphinx
I don't think they're bad, just not as special as others.
junior cypress
Now do it again with 120 heat
wheat elbow
I can see how people like the spear now.
If you have a bit of practise, it is actually decent in non-heated runs.
In Tartarus, you can immediatly kill some enemies with a fully charged attack as they are spawning which is very nice
tribal ruin
am i the only one who focused on clearing the game first life ^^? kind not so hard with athene power!
easy feat when u get the musle memory of doing trust+spesial+hit+ agian š
should sell the platform of the game to other company ^^ make the same type of game like with cartoon network charcters ^^ would make kids drool ^^ should be so much job chaning all the sprits in the game up with other..
Genius platform ^^
junior cypress
@rocky sage
But what is fun without ramming your face into the virtual equivalent of a brick wall hundreds of times until it crumbles?
rocky sage
currently i do the best i could to be lazy in the game
also if they are not adding kronos' scythe
ill die
rocky sage
i dont want a 120 heat
also is it a spoiler to know who is the last chtonic god u meet?
im missing one item and i wanna knkow how to get it
lost rose
how many runs have you finished?
rocky sage
but if its important to the story ill keep it asurpirse
@lost rose took me 20 runs to finish theseus
im a slow guy i know
lost rose
that's not slow at all gkdjgf
that's pretty fast
anyways
the new character starts showing up after 23 runs
so give it a few more goes
rocky sage
hell ye brother
HH
i met two fury sisters which are as equally annoying as the first
junior cypress
Personally I beat up the boasting, bull-headed, bonehead on my 12th run
Been trying ever since then to use as much heat as possible
lost rose
my perception of how hard the game is is really wack too since i've been playing since the start and it used to be. way harder
rocky sage
plus i wouldnt have beaten him fi i didnt have the most stupid build
@junior cypress i just think its way too difficult for not enough cash money
junior cypress
I think that frustration and pain is its own reward
rocky sage
@lost rose u had the dash lag of course it was and u had the stupid boss wave before the hydra it was stupid
@junior cypress god no please
junior cypress
If god didn't want you to suffer then he wouldn't have created Hades
How else is hell going to get its defensive plan into action? Everyone has their (body) part to maim so that the organism as a whole runs smoothly
rocky sage
funny is in the humor sense of the beholder?
lost rose
and i'm beholding it! please don't.
velvet nest
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junior cypress
Hell's defensive plan is as efficient as its social standards it seems
Nice to see Hades has his afterlife in order
rocky sage
also bow is worst weapon change my mind
junior cypress
Two words: Explosive Shot
frank dew
honestly hades seem to be pretty chill
frank dew
i mean his wife left him but he set up a surrogate mother and a tutor for zag and even made sure he had a cute 3headed puppy
frank dew
i dont think tvs were really around
rocky sage
Hephaestus was wasting time then
frank dew
but then they have a automatic/ granade launcher so what do i know
junior cypress
Does hell have wifi? And if so, does Hades pay for it or does everyone in the House of Hade chip in?
frank dew
i find the aphrodite poster kinda creepy
rocky sage
@junior cypress it has but only elysium souls have the password ya know brave souls and what not
junior cypress
If you want creepy, look no further than Zeus's dating methods
frank dew
hera is his wife
rocky sage
oh ye
junior cypress
There's being thirsty, and then there's turning into a puddle just to get into someone's pants
Not healthy in my opinion
frank dew
i mean say what you want about his methods but they have results
junior cypress
I agree. He has single-handedly given his wife a hitlist
frank dew
dio is pretty beast aswell
rocky sage
nani
rocky sage
why
junior cypress
"Why doth life?"
Or more importantly, why does the boat man refuse to take Zag up to the surface?
Just give him loads of dosh
Or least let him skip a floor/ room or two
echo sphinx
Probably cause Hades would sentence him to a life of eternal torment? 
(For taking him to the surface)
A room skip could be cool though
junior cypress
What could possibly be worst than being the underworld equivalent of a taxi driver?
echo sphinx
Being eternally tortured