That'd be Hephaestus, if they did it.
#h1-builds-and-combat
spice turret
peak cape
spice turret
In other news, someone suggested that Bone Hourglass was stronger than it usually got credit for, and I've gotta say, I agree wholeheartedly.
Especially when it randomly applies to Trove Tracker 
Actually, probably better bug report that at some point...
trim ingot
guh i was this close to defeating the hydra
pearl willow
I really like overlapping the Lamia item that gives enemies a chance to drop food. I've not used it lately but did notice inconsistent behaviour with the Trove spawns though. I think I once got it to give me four in a row.
spice turret
Yeah, that's why I didn't actually report it. I did it once, and then the second time, it didn't happen, so I assumed that it had been instapatched
Except, I got it again, recently?
pearl willow
I had thought the same thing really. Happened once and then a day or two later it didn't happen for like 2-3 uses so I just assumed it was corrected. Not seen it since but not used it much either.
trim ingot
killed the hydra ๐ ๐
grand patrol
๐
calm sable
shadow musk
Quick question, cause googling isn't giving me any luck. In the patch notes it says "Curse of Longing" the Ares + Aphrodite duo boon has been removed from the game for now. I'm just curious, what did it do? I've never gotten it or seen it before.
raven lintel
It refreshed Ares' curses if the enemy was weak
shadow musk
so like, if a weakened enemy is hit with doom, then it'll do 2 instances of doom damage?
raven lintel
not quite
it'd do the first instance, and if the enemy was weak when the damage was applied, it would put the curse back on
repeating until the enemy no longer had weak, or died
it was very good lol
shadow musk
ahhh, gotcha. Yeah that does sound really good!
raven lintel
if you got 'empty inside' which increases weak duration, it got ridiculous as you can imagine
shadow musk
thank you for answering! it's been bugging me since I've read the patch notes haha
raven lintel
not a problem!
forest marsh
Yeah, with Empty Inside and Dire Misfortune (additional stacks of Doom) it was extremely OP
pastel jolt
hmmm...... did curse of longing replicate the increased damage from dire misfortune?
raven lintel
it was incredible haha
regal nexus
Oh damn, congrats @mighty ermine on the 147! Didn't expect it to be beaten so quickly, I'll have to try and up my game then
feral pumice
I am considering letting the people of Elysium respawn to speed up completing the codex. Can anyone confirm for me whether or not this works?
pearl willow
MF i just lost 120 heat with minotaur dead and theseus at like 10% health. i end up taking so many hits when i charge through, attack, dash and come out on the other side without my charge actually starting again.
in a way killing the minotaur as a miniboss and reducing his health is a little bit of a drawback when you're essentially just dealing AoE damage as it means he dies first and you have to spend more time with theseus + chariots. which i actually think is worse lol.
mighty ermine
hey, thanks @regal nexus ! just hearing that you pulled off 145 at all motivated me to try higher than 120 in the first place honestly
i fear the doozy either of us could be in for by turning up veil or whipped frenzy 
forest marsh
I thought Rynth said no more after 145? ๐
regal nexus
Yeah, would rather just avoid whipped entirely
I also didn't think anyone would manage higher!
I'd gladly settle for a tie at 160 rather than having a war of incrementing whipped though ๐
forest marsh
First someone has to do 160
Y'all are too skilled for me to compete in this, though 
If I can manage 120 I will be happy
celest oracle
I'm down here barely making 10 work some days. LOL These numbers are insane and I'm highly impressed!
mighty ermine
elysium is no joke on any amount of heat honestly!
celest oracle
Yeah, I had to turn it down from 15 when the patch dropped.
Now that I've managed to actually get all the way through a few times (on 5 because I didn't feel the need to turn it all off), it's time to start turning the challenge back up.
forest marsh
I should probably try some lower heat runs instead of gunning for 120 straight away... ๐
celest oracle
Eh, if it works for you, go for it! :D
forest marsh
So far I've only manage to make it to Asphodel on 120
celest oracle
Asphodel has lots of little things that make it tough when you get extra stuff rolling, though.
covert grove
Had a glitch occur where I stopped taking damage the rest of a run after using Athena's Wrath at the same time as a Death Defy happening (and Meg dying). Here's the video, happens around 5:16 https://youtu.be/s8zMZaukXeA
forest marsh
That's wild! I assume you reported that?
Also, I learned recently that if you die without gaining any Darkness in your first run of a fresh save, the game will give you 10 Darkness for free when you go to use the Mirror
lost rose
awww
that's sweet gkdjfgfd
forest marsh
It actually ruins the nice clean image I was going for to update the Mirror screenshot on the wiki, though
lost rose
welp
forest marsh
I saw it randomly in the datawhichwillnotbenamed but wasn't sure if it actually existed. Started a new save though to get the new screenshot, doubled as an experiment for the 10 Darkness gift
lost rose
speaking of data that will not be named: those patroclus convo conditionals, tho
forest marsh
Hush you, I haven't even seen Patroclus since the last patch
lost rose
i got what i was pretty sure was a bugged conditional, went to try to look for it, saw 5 versions of almost the same scene with 5 different sets of flag conditionals, and noped out.
they're labeled but it doesn't help ๐ญ
forest marsh
I guess the new screenshot will just have to live with having 10 Darkness now... They must have implemented that for the new update? Maybe? Otherwise the old screenshot is doctored
lost rose
you could always doctor the new one!
forest marsh
Eh, it makes it unrealistic then
If they're making it so you will always have at least 10 Darkness, then I think it's fine having the screenshot on the wiki reflect that
Gonna update the Pact page next
Trying to get a fresh Pact unlock screenshot for it, so just gotta clear the Hydra and get enough keys on a new-ish save
opaque merlin
I've gotten pretty immune to the dopamine reaction to likes/reacts on Facebook, but holy crap do I find myself constantly checking the thumbs up/down counts on my feedback here >_>
lost rose
I hope it's not stressing you out too much ^^;
community reactions are hardly the end all be all wrt feedback, and although they play a part in what gets implemented, the voting isn't a final say
opaque merlin
For sure; mostly I'm just poking fun at myself
lost rose
forest marsh
So... So... So... I... uh... One sec, this needs a screenshot (I also recognize that this save I'm running on is very old and hasn't been used in at least one major update)
spice turret
๐?
forest marsh
So I loaded up this old save with something like 6 runs on it. It was saved at early Tartarus when I loaded it up. No hammers yet, didn't see a single one until I got to Elysium. So I picked up Twin Shot, 'cause I knew they increased the range and I wanted to try it out. Then I got Perfect Shot hammer after, cool, right? Well... then I see this: https://imgur.com/a/RyEa9GQ
Again, big Disclaimer, this was an old save that was mid-run. Mid-run saves are known to break across updates
So now I'm going to attempt to get my 3rd hammer from Elysium
Sorry Patroclus
lost rose
instead of visiting patroclus.....rip
forest marsh
Hey, one of these two options is more rare
mighty ermine
Sorry pat, it's in the name of hammer science
lost rose
pat would probably approve of hammer science gkdfhgd
forest marsh
We'll see if I even survive, this was a real bad save to start with. Common Aphrodite on attack when I loaded it up, only other boon was a Deathless Stand
What do you think, should I get an Explosive-Twin-Perfect Shot bow?
The other two options are the Special hammers
mighty ermine
Def stack as much onto one attack as possible, go explosive!
forest marsh
I did, it's so slow but also ridiculous. Too bad about that common Aphro on attack, though
opaque merlin
I love explosive shot. Not a great combo with perfect shot, though, since the trick with explosive is basically to not bother charging in most cases
Explosive Shot + Artemis dash makes everything a cakewalk, even without a strong attack boon
forest marsh
Considering I had one DD and it was only run 6 of a save, I think I did pretty well... Got Theseus and Asterius both down to about 20% or less
Anyway, I got what I wanted, which was a clean screenshot of the Pact
Now that save can languish for another month or three again
Huh... they removed Hades' signature from the Pact at some point
forest marsh
Pact of Punishment is updated on the wiki
lost rose
really?? it was still there when i went to turn all my heat off a few days ago, I thought
forest marsh
Hasn't been for the last couple times that the screenshot was updated. I can only see it on the original screenshot on the wiki
lost rose
๐ค it was definitely on there when I streamed before
forest marsh
Don't know what to tell you... ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Maybe next I'll try to tackle Erebus and Infernal Gate pages for the wiki... another night though, it's late here and I was already up too late last night 
lost rose
๐
formal valve
you now what's cool in this game?
the cursor
I like the aesthetic, and inverting the parts that are lighter and darker on a click is really cool and subtle
Like I'm coding a few cursor tools and I just wanted to compliment a well-made cursor
celest crescent
was going to add some feedback to hades and add a bug and fix i found too it in tech fixes
but i dont have permission to chat in those chat rooms
opaque merlin
Read the pinned posts first
errant narwhal
for feedback, read the pins in the appropriate channel as Peter said, but only supergiant can post in in #hades-tech-fixes-old. if you want to submit a bug (and a fix as well, i guess, if you found one) press F10 in game to submit a bug report!
celest crescent
okay thanks
pearl willow
I have no idea what but there's still something funny about hydra and the lava spit and/or charm. I'm playing with zero damage increase from heat atm and know I saw myself take a hit of both 25 and 50. I should really be recording lol.
pearl willow
Man theseus and minotaur are easier with the shield at 120 than the spear at 70 lol
subtle shale
so I haven't gotten to try sword since the update, how's Empowered Nova work now?
proud storm
50% crit chance for 2 seconds after you special
subtle shale
huh, need Artemis attack to get it close to what it was before then
it seems like they're pushing for that with a lot of the critical hit skills lately
pastel jolt
i don't see how that's a bad thing
subtle shale
oh it's absolutely not
pearl willow
empowered is now 25% crit chance on attack after special iirc
subtle shale
Artemis was pointless back when you could just grab a crit skill, and it also felt bad to get Artemis after picking said skill
now you have to dedicate yourself to the synergy
spice turret
Cool. Yeah, dash first
young lagoon
ok so dashg
pastel jolt
then death defiances
spice turret
Also V. good.
young lagoon
okay so I kinda was on the right track
spice turret
Backstab is always nice?
young lagoon
they hella expensive
median ridge
maximize dashes, health total, death defiance, and your blood stones. as you keep playing you will get more darkness and eventually won't have to worry about prioritizing because you'll have everything
spice turret
Mm.
pastel jolt
nah, if you're having trouble surviving backstab isn't gonna do much for you
spice turret
Fair
young lagoon
okay so just a lot of grinding basically
median ridge
basically
spice turret
Oh, wait, we forgot Chthonic vitality
pastel jolt
chthonic vitality - +3 health per room at max - is really useful
spice turret
That's one of my literal favorite upgrades
young lagoon
yeah I do have quite a bit of vitality
spice turret
Like, almost on par with 2X dash
median ridge
how many runs have you been going? because it took me a long time to get strong enough to get past the hydra at first
pastel jolt
if you have the keys to unlock thick skin, that gives you 5 starting health per rank
but honestly yeah
young lagoon
I've done a lot for the free time i have, idk how much is a LOT tho XD
elfin pulsar
in general it wont take much grinding to get all the non-boon stuff, maybe 10-20 runs
spice turret
Say... 0-20, 21-40? More?
median ridge
it took me maybe like 26 runs or so to beat the hydra
young lagoon
I've done more than 26 yeah
elfin pulsar
trade ambrosia for keys at the trader
young lagoon
okay trader is good then
elfin pulsar
always choose ambrosia over darkness and keys and just trade ur ambrosia up, the rate is usually great
spice turret
Trader is... Useful if you have more of a resource than you need.
elfin pulsar
1 ambrosia = 3 keys or so
median ridge
also for the wave-head hydras, if you time it right, you can dash right through their waves
spice turret
Yes, very useful.
young lagoon
okay cool will do
pastel jolt
yep - they also don't quite span the full length of the room
pastel jolt
which isn't something you wanna rely on to save you from dying but it's good to keep in mind
median ridge
the wave heads are a lot better than they used to be
elfin pulsar
if you dont care about spoilers you might wanna google the list of keepsakes first, so you know who to give ur ambrosia to
young lagoon
yeah sounds useful info to know
pastel jolt
hey, remember when the hydra room had two solid walls instead of four pillars? :')
young lagoon
Im using the dogs keepsake
pastel jolt
(i actually prefer the current design with the pillars, lmao)
elfin pulsar
ok cool, yeah that was my favorite one starting out
spice turret
Ain't nothing wrong with some extra health.
median ridge
try to focus on clearing out one side of the arena so you have a relatively safe place to stand when clearing out the phases of heads
elfin pulsar
once I got enough health upgrades from the mirror I started using whatever
pastel jolt
young lagoon
makes sense
elfin pulsar
the dog one and the one from meg are very common at high difficulties for the last level, they are just really generally strong
young lagoon
never even thought of actually giving them to meg tbh
elfin pulsar
before the last level people use the god keepsakes to target specific builds but you can do whatever
pastel jolt
yeah, meg's keepsake increases your damage when you're under 40% hp
spice turret
If you feel comfortable beating Tartarus unbuffed, Chthonic Coin Purse can actually be surprisingly useful? And there's every reason to switch over when you hit Asphodel
young lagoon
damn that sounds good
elfin pulsar
its a fat 40% increase too, it makes boss fights much easier
young lagoon
i forgot you could swap out
pastel jolt
20/30/40
young lagoon
im always low in the fire area so XD
spice turret
Yeah, that's the Asphodel Experience (tm)
pastel jolt
asphodel gets easier as you rank up the mirror and get more comfy with the enemies that spawn
elfin pulsar
yeah figuring out the differences of the different bombers made it a lot easier to me
spice turret
I remember just, constantly getting hit by bloodless. Like, regular bloodless.
young lagoon
hahahaha
spice turret
Not even bomb-type bloodless
young lagoon
dude it all hurts like a truck
median ridge
it will get better. eventually with enough darkness grinding you'll get all the upgrades, and you will get the hang of the attack patterns
spice turret
Accurate.
young lagoon
okay, thanks all its all useful info โค
spice turret
I'd practically guarantee the people going for high-scores on heat started pretty much exactly where you are.
For my own interest, what weapon are you using?
elfin pulsar
so I haven't played since the latest patch, what god do you guys like with the spear now?
young lagoon
I really like the bow or the shield but i know the shield isnt great
spice turret
Shield is honestly my favorite?
median ridge
it's all up to play style honestly
elfin pulsar
shields best actually
young lagoon
i dig shield
median ridge
my fave is bow
young lagoon
but i found the shield eventually caps out on damage
elfin pulsar
when the new zone came out people were only beating it on hard mode with the shield
median ridge
artemis bow build is very good for me
spice turret
Same. My 120 heat run was full shield.
elfin pulsar
the throw is pretty safe, the attack is nice control, and bull rush is just crazy with the upgrade
young lagoon
yeah its very good all round
spice turret
Bull rush is the absolute beans of an ability.
young lagoon
beans XD
spice turret
Like, that is the thing that I rely on
true parrot
Damage, movement and knocking them around all in one
spice turret
Sudden rush? Armor shred? Some of my favorite upgrades, right up there with the dash AoE.
elfin pulsar
along with full invincibility
true parrot
Oh yes
spice turret
@true parrot gets it
true parrot
forgot the best part
naive mist
that one bullrush hammer upgrade that makes it into the bow charge shot
love that one
spice turret
Everybody says that, but honestly, I think my playstyle is too... frantic(?) for that.
true parrot
I lose track of zagreus almost evry fight
elfin pulsar
charging that thing up is too scary for me on high damage, like the fast charge way more
true parrot
just dash around at that point
median ridge
my coordination isn't the best so i really like bow because i just dash, attack, dash, attack. not too many different buttons to press
spice turret
Honestly, I'm still surprised by how many attacks you can squeeze out of one bullrush.
Like, charge damage, dash during it does dash effects, dash attack, regular attack, into a new charge-up
4 hits
Potentially
Not always sure whether they're all hitting or not.
elfin pulsar
yeah its sweet
spice turret
Honestly, I haven't checked the damage instances.
But I know the dash part works, and I'm pretty sure I've seen the dash attack.
elfin pulsar
yeah im fairly certain you can get a dash attack in right after the charge goes
spice turret
@young lagoon Oh! I forgot! One more thing about Hydra...
When it's you vs. the main head, if you're using shield, you can literally bullrush directly through its head, back and forth, and as long as you keep your rhythm tight, and try to get some extra hits in, you get get to the other heads pretty quickly, and with a bare minimum of damage. Just be a bit careful when it pulls out the projectile array thing.
It's usually the other heads that give me trouble, because doing the main head is easy.
true parrot
Not even mentioning how it has consistent knockback on the normal attack
just plow into the wall
(unless they have armor)
Ok, Poseidon basic attack boon + bull rush is my new favorite
spice turret
Goodness yes.
true parrot
just turn those numbskulls into cannonballs
whats armour?
just get instakilled in the wall
spice turret
Okay, that's the upside to wavemakers. Like, their projectiles are pretty strong, but they cast out their waves even if they're stuck on lava. Killing them instantly.
And! They get knockback from throwing waves, so sometimes they push themselves in.
naive mist
poseidon knockback on bow with the no-charge shot
spice turret
Oh nice.
Poseidon is probably not technically the best, but he's one of my personal favorites
solemn crater
I want to meet Persephone
spice turret
Yeah, I'm interested to see how that goes
And, notably, what her art looks like
Because, hoo boy, SGG knows how to make some great character art.
pearl willow
poseidon was kind of a nuisance with all the floating enemies and lack of walls in asphodel but he's awesome in elysium imo. great for keeping enemies off you and dealing slam/trap damage.
pastel jolt
poseidon's weakness in elysium is that theseus and asterius can't be knocked back
dire cedar
Man, I had a run w/ dionysus special and cast with the gun, zeus wrath, aphro cash, and both duos
I coud'nt see a thing
pastel jolt
i had a great build that was really focused around slamming fools into walls and it fell so totally flat against them that i was legit disappointed
stuck bloom
ever since the new furies appeared in murder death kill update I never seem to encounter meg. Anywhere. She's not appearing as a boss no more or what?
spice turret
Yeah... I mean, here's the thing, right? That's why you make sure you get a solid flat damage bonus out of it.
dire cedar
I got Meg 1 time since the change.
pastel jolt
she does still show up
pearl willow
cant knock back but can still rupture and poseidon has... 2nd highest damage on attack i think?
pastel jolt
since beefy update i've been seeing her more often than before, actually
elfin pulsar
damn did they nerf posiden wrath a lot?
210 on epic seems really low, wasn't it like 300
elfin pulsar
yeah that sounds right
it was pretty OP but still thats big
just had my reward spawn in a lava pit what is that about
noble jolt
reminds me of how annoying it is when my cast ends up in a lava and i have to go for it
atomic panther
Not sure, but definitely F10 that
noble jolt
agreed
spice turret
THink it spawns wherever Zagreus is when you kill the last enemy?
Deffo had that happen at least once, though
elfin pulsar
im pretty sure i've finished rooms with people pushed into lava or flying witches or whatever and never had it end up there
pearl willow
I've had it happen a few times if I'm dashing out into lava for a witch or gorgon head. Just dash to it, mash your pick up button and dash back, shouldn't be too bad and you should be invulnerable during boon/pom selection.
elfin pulsar
hmm probably just the enemy
at this point, the thing that hits me the most in the hydra fight are the slow moving homing shots
i always think it will hit a pillar or something and it just barely curves around to tap me
spice turret
Yeah, same. It always feels like... I can't say I couldn't have avoided it, but it still feels like it shouldn't have hit me.
elfin pulsar
the hitbox on it is mean
spice turret
Mm. The bit that always gets me is that there are more behind.
pastel jolt
i usually only get hit by it if i'm focusing on something else too much
spice turret
Yup. My problem is I don't have enough focus to go around.
pastel jolt
the hydra fight is an exercise in avoiding tunnel vision, especially later on once more heads show up
spice turret
Or, an exercise in turbo-dashing around so fast you physically cannot be hit... But also the tunnel-vision thing, yeah. ๐
pastel jolt
slightly increased health (it is still less than before the last change) 
mighty ermine
+ Increased how much health must be sacrificed to enter Chaos Gates ah, probably just a little-
21 health taken from very first room
oof
forest marsh
That's extreme
pastel jolt
whoof
forest marsh
Time to use 
more, I guess
proud storm
chaos: you will die for me, o son of hades
pearl willow
dang, 21? that's like 3.5x that early on
spice turret
Yup, room 1 is 6 HP previously
median ridge
wwooooooowwwwww
spice turret
Well, that makes the cosmic egg much more useful...
median ridge
and then the chaos curses are still in effect.....
guess zag will be visiting grandpama a lot less
spice turret
Although I have to say, they might want to buff the value you get? Since even at the lower total, there were many times when it just wasn't worth the HP...
Oof, even if that light of Ixion glitch still happens, you'd better be careful about it.
true parrot
hopefully its doesnt scale with 3,5 to the Elysium
pearl willow
Maybe, at the same time if you get a good obol buff or damage increase early on it can carry pretty hard.
true parrot
dont wanne sacrifie 80 hp
elfin pulsar
does posieden legendary work with unmodified shield attack?
pearl willow
Yeah, I kind of doubt it was just multiplied that heavily all the way through.
elfin pulsar
not noticing any sort of second knockback
elfin pulsar
bummer
true parrot
doesn't work with thrust either
elfin pulsar
does the legendary cause hte wall splat damage to happen twice at least?
true parrot
If the ybump twice, yes
Ofcource, if you have poseidon basic
then it does work
and you get some amazing living cannonballs
elfin pulsar
seems like bombers just randomly dont get knocked back
pastel jolt
Dash: canceling out of your Dash with an attack now cancels the brief remaining period of invincibility i'm curious about this note, tbh - cancelling out of a dash?
elfin pulsar
that change makes me so sad
pastel jolt
also, i'm forgoing actually playing the patch to go round and update the wiki
elfin pulsar
if you attack right after you dash it stops the dash a little early
pearl willow
I think there's something of a 'internal cooldown' on [Poseidon] knockback. I've found it doesn't go off on every hit on some targets.
elfin pulsar
with them nerfing chaos I really hope they change the chaos dash penalty
would make the nerfs feel a lot better to me if chaos had less pure unpickable options
also just noticed the ghosts reform when they touch the floating weapons, had no clue what zag was talking about with grabbing weapons
pastel jolt
yeah
elfin pulsar
do you guys have a strategy for avoiding the spearman dash attack with melee builds? think its hitting me the most
just so fast with such a big aoe
pearl willow
If you have a big knockback then you can sort of kite them, otherwise I think I've been more successful at going through them rather than letting them chase me around.
minor ice
I really donโt understand the hitboxes on the spears, or asterius for that matter
I feel like Iโm always getting hit while behind them
pseudo crow
does chaos give better things since you gotta sacrifice more hp for them? :<
proud storm
oh man the empowerment https://i.imgur.com/qFoDOT9.jpg
elfin pulsar
wow pour one out
pastel jolt
it's almost like.... crits are really powerful........
elfin pulsar
is it powerful enough for that to be any good? it seemed pretty fair last patch
pseudo crow
time for Egg
median ridge
i am not sure why the chaos gates have to be so much more costly to enter. i always thought the health cost was redundant and uncreative considering that we already get more interesting curses from chaos themself
quiet ledge
Since previous patch I barely encounter them, now they're also more expensive
median ridge
and now i basically have to carry the egg at all times to benefit from chaos
pastel jolt
honestly, taking chaos gates felt like a nobrainer before because so much of the cost got wiped out by chthonic vitality, and also just, healing in general
now it's a much higher risk-reward situation
otherwise, what's the point of having a health cost at all?
median ridge
but we already get the risk in the boon itself
pastel jolt
like half of chaos's curses cn be disregarded
plucky oxide
If I was offered keys or darkness, chaos gates give me a tertiary, riskier cost. Without the health sacrifice, the gates lose out on this initial risk/reward functionality, that happens far before you call up Chaos.
pastel jolt
hell, even move speed is, eh, i guess i have to dash everywhere now
proud storm
what a fun build https://i.imgur.com/euGFAyM.jpg
mighty ermine
it does make me more carefully consider it in grim inevitability runs too; 7+ damage is nothing when vicious torment is active, while 21+ could potentially be the difference between using a DD or not after getting hit by something, from base 50
and the half of the cosmic egg that i never really cared about now feels more meaningful
pseudo crow
now if u want chaos it must be Egg Time
mighty ermine
chaos urges you to consider: Egg
median ridge
may i offer you an egg in this trying time
twilit bronze
no one:
no one on olympus:
not even in tarturaus:
Super Giant: egg
Chaos: yes
stoic berry
I mean what kind of sucks about the increase is cause some of the chaos boon curses can be harder then other like taking damage when you attack for example, plus the high cost really disincentives new players early on from using the gate before they have the egg to get it
i feel like 15~ max in the Tartarus would be a bit more fair especially for newer players then 20 minimum
Even more so when you first start the game you only have a max life of 50, having to rank it up with the mirror
elfin pulsar
is the cost not based on max hp?
elfin pulsar
interesting
i'd kinda like max hp % instead, that way its fair at 50 and 100 starting health
and you cant just trivialize it with a heat gate heart or something
forest marsh
Can always leave feedback on it ๐
atomic panther
It went up to around 17 before (and goes even higher now), I wouldn't call that trivial
forest marsh
Yeah, Elysium was 20+ before this patch
elfin pulsar
getting a 50 hp heat heart you still have another 8 or whatever leftover from what a normal heart would be
seems like a huge difference compared to ppl playing on 0 heat, esp new players with no mirror hp
stoic berry
I feel like if they did a percentage of health it should have a cap then at like 35~ or something? so it doesn't just take away so much health later in a run and really make it too risky for 90% people to use especially cause at least for me i never have max health in Elysium
orchid sonnet
Anyone know if Than can show up more than once per run?
forest marsh
He cannot
grand patrol
he thannot
spiral slate
"+ Dash: canceling out of your Dash with an attack now cancels the brief remaining period of invincibility"
man and people were saying that dash-spinning was the way to use the spear's spin attack
now it's even worse lmao
hard holly
Dash Spinning still has its use
manic herald
What does off color boons indicate, that it'll be a duo boon?
atomic panther
That's not what dash spinning is
Dash spinning is when you charge your attack and then dash. A dash attack is when you dash and then attack
forest marsh
The green-ish yellow is Duo boon, yeah
manic herald
The color of the duo boon is, but I mean for example I've seen the Artemis symbol in the normal green, yellow, and blue
forest marsh
Oh, I'm not sure what you mean... Do you have screenshots for comparison?
manic herald
I think last time I saw it yellow was when I already had a Zeus boon and there was a duo boon to choose.
forest marsh
I think sometimes the previews are slightly different colours due to environmental effects in the rooms, but that's just my guess
atomic panther
The next time you see that, take a screenshot (and use F10 to report it ingame)
pearl willow
well a chaos gate on chamber 18 is only -24 compared to -21 early in tartarus
forest marsh
I... guess? that's good?
hard holly
Chaos is always good
forest marsh
I'm still unsure how I feel about this massive health penalty upfront
pearl willow
chamber 31 chaos gate is 27
pearl willow
admittedly my boon selection was atrocious that run but man the spear feels weak atm
hard holly
It kinda does
You have to get quick spin
Special is just weak, and spin without quick spin is punishing
pearl willow
i ended up with the flurry effect that prevents spinning, probably would be fine for dps but it really didn't impress.
hard holly
Its good with Zeus
forest marsh
Flurry Jab is really best with Zeus and not much else
Maybe Dio
But Zeus is the better in that instance by far
solemn crater
Just reached Theseus and his cow, died quickly xD
forest marsh
His cow 
Asterius is a proud bull, thankyouverymuch
spice turret
A mighty bull!
solemn crater
XDD
hard holly
He was a bit of a bully before he died though
Also hold on
How did Theseus get the bull into Elysium like that, but Achilles had to give up on happiness
kindred wren
(I really love pairing Dionysus's with Aphrodite's power, got everyone into the post-post-party stupor)
let's not forget that Asterius is neither human or god/demigod
lost rose
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grand patrol
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kindred wren
well, half-human, but
forest marsh
I thought there were some voice lines about the Theseus Asterius arrangement...
lost rose
there are but
kindred wren
and regarding the bullying thing, children went to his room without his permission and one even explicitly carried a sword
lost rose
the question is why can theseus drag asterius into elysium with no apparent trade-off, but achilles can't just ask that patroclus be moved from asphodel
kindred wren
patroclus was mostly... hold on I remember several accounts concerning patroclus' lineage so I am confused too
because since he was a Myrmidon, he was supposed to be born of people born of dragon teeth
lost rose
lineages get wacky
hard holly
Yeah thats odd
I mean Theseus has a force of personality like no other but still
What, did he just annoy Hades into giving in?
lost rose
"force of personality" yeah a personality like a punch to the face
hahaha
maybe he just had the composure to force a better bargain?
unkempt pagoda
get achilles to become super annoying
lost rose
achilles probably wasn't in a great spot when he made that deal
and wouldn't have thought to press for more, probably
lost rose
theseus definitely has more like kingly prestige gkdfjgdf
but elysium isn't for good people, explicitly
it's for heroes
regardless of where the heroism lies
hard holly
Its a shame this server is family friendly
Because there is a great line Achilles could utter after finding out about the Asterius arrangement
That I cant say here
kindred wren
that too, but Theseus is a much better negotiator and charmer than Achilles, whose idea of negotiating is... well...
hard holly
Perhaps he threatened to stay in the house of hades until Asterius was put into Elysium
kindred wren
we could also see from the point of view of Asterius being actually a good boy, despite the murders
it was kill or be killed
and Asterius did have some holy enough lineage
(regardless of how Theseus brought Asterius in, which new god-sponsor do we want for future gameplay?)
lost rose
a p o l l o
hard holly
I guess even with how bullheaded Patroclus is, it wasnt enough
Jeez my brain decided to shut down there
Anyway, I really want Hephaestus
lost rose
theseus: (helps his friend sneak down to the underworld to try to kidnap persephone)
theseus, several decades later: hey hades do me a solid, would you
hard holly
We need representation for the people who dont have amazing looks
forest marsh
Come now, Jen would still make anyone look amazing
kindred wren
I'm so not sure if I want Apollo or Helios if we do get the Sun/Sunlight power
eternal stag
hermes would Also be really good
hard holly
Right but the point of Hephaestus is that he is ugly
kindred wren
Hecate, the Unseen Moon and Witchcraft would be nice too
lost rose
i want apollo for two reasons, trojan war drama and sibling duo boons
hard holly
She could have a boon version of the health drop on enemy kill shop item
kindred wren
I second Hestia
hard holly
Yknow, since Zag isnt eating enough
kindred wren
probably some health buff powers
forest marsh
Jen puts Hephaestus in Hades
All of SG fans in here: Oh no he's hot
calm sable
the fact that Hestia was apparently rocking the adamant rail in the war against the titans will never not be hilarious to me
spice turret
My food is chasing me...
kindred wren
look, cooks are usually ripped
they have some very rocking biceps and triceps from lifting all those metal food containers
hard holly
Ok, now that you reminded me of the AR thing
Hestia as a stereotypical hiphop gangsta
spice turret
I think their fix for things getting lodged on impathable terrain is to just have it move towards Zagreus, and food counts as impathable terrain, so when two meals get stacked, they just slide ponderously towards you.
paper bay
oh goodness i love this new dash
native ether
the fact that Hestia was apparently rocking the adamant rail in the war against the titans will never not be hilarious to me
This tbh
forest marsh
Hestia railed against the Titans
native ether
Like I'm very interested in seeing Hestia in Hades just because I personally would never expect Hestia to be wielding a railgun against the Titans.
That small sentence of lore caught me entirely off guard
In terms of the next god I want to see, it would be Hermes/Apollo/Hephaestus
Apollo because given how many things he's a god for, could be very interesting. Hermes cause speeeeed and Hephaestus because he'd be interesting to have in the game, especially since I'd be curious how he'd he portrayed.
kindred wren
Hephaestus' unbreakable net could be a really good in-game power
eternal stag
ooohh yes
pearl willow
First run ever with Dio wrath essentially and it was pretty meh for 1-38 chambers but popping it twice on Asterius and Theseus was actually responsible for a lot of damage.
kindred wren
the first time I KO'd Meg it was with Dion Dash
Dio is very much a high reward in certain situations
eternal stag
dio dash is my second favorite dash
it used to be my favorite hands down but now that athena's is changed it's Very good
kindred wren
athena's deflect sure is a game-changing power in later areas
I don't see athena often though, I see poseidon and dionysus the most, followed by aphrodite
twin timber
wraith mountain
I played a few runs tonight, just to get the hang of it.
native ether
i need a meme where Dionysus's face is replaced with Dio's face
wraith mountain
pretty fun stuff, and beautiful to boot
pearl willow
bone hourglass + light of ixion has offered me four chaos so far with two more to come it seems
chaos gates*
robust garden
is it only possible to get 1 extra dash?
unkempt pagoda
yeah, you can only have two dashes max
turbid needle
hm.... Artemis Cast x Aphrodite -> Cupid Shot? (Cast with ability to charm enemies)
smoky sparrow
Damn, they nerfed my tank build :P. Guess I'll have to git gud now.
turbid needle
there are lots of things that are absolutely not needing being tanky and make Theseus cry in corner
my favourite is probably using Skull Earing at Elysium because of how much power it provides
sharp herald
where do i download the game?
turbid needle
Epic Game Store
#TrollQuestionTrollAnswer
after all... Corsair should sail the seas unnoticed
sharp herald
dodnt c any download in the launcher
turbid needle
hmm
game is in the store tab
it costs about 10 euros as it is ?
maybe less since Epic Game Sale
after that, you check the library tab and click on install button below it
sharp herald
haha yeah i saw it now sry for asking such dumb questions i looked at the update first ^^
turbid needle
no problem, sometimes it happens
I'm just being like "How to download game" refering to certain thing
but I guess you have idea what kind of thing it was
heavy bone
alright I might just be sleepy but I dont really understand what Jolted does can someone explain it to me plz
pearl willow
when an enemy is jolted it takes damage the next time it attacks. so if a witch is jolted it does nothing initially but when it fires an orb at you the witch will then take damage as part of the attack.
heavy bone
ok ty
pastel jolt
...........it's the next time the enemy attacks?
๐ณ
that.... would explain why jolted never fired when i expected it to.
pearl willow
i've rarely had jolt but im reasonably certain that's how it works
west wren
yeap that's how it works
pastel jolt
....okay, i'm putting in feedback, that's just
the description on jolted says after the next attack
there we go, feedback'd
robust garden
hey does anyone know why when i try to hold an attack to spear spin or bull rush it does a normal attack?
and is there any way to fix this?
errant narwhal
could be your mouse?
robust garden
possibly
hard holly
I think you start with a normal attack and transition into the charged attack
At least, thats how its been working for me on controller since forever
robust garden
oh so it's supposed to do a normal attack first then do the hold move?
undone bone
@pastel jolt Hey yeah, a Jolted enemy hurts itself and surrounding enemies when it attacks. I agree the wording there is confusing and will be updated, thanks for the discussion around that here.
hard holly
I think so, yeah
robust garden
ok then
pastel jolt
i spent so long thinking it was a case of setting off the jolt with my next attack ;3;
robust garden
thanks!
pastel jolt
points to greg message above
hard holly
It is easy to misread it, yeah
I imagined it was on the enemy attack just because electric-type status effects usually are related to the enemies attacks
pastel jolt
"after the next attack" is ambiguous enough that it's easy to misread as your next attack, not the enemy's
hard holly
Like Paralysis
quasi moat
what's y'alls prostrats for the pact, because im getting demolished at 25
hard holly
Generally ranged, high damage stuff
Personally Im a big fan of Bow with lots of Artemis boons
Or if you mean what pact options to take
Damage up first tbh
pearl willow
depends what you're putting the heat into. like if you dive straight into whipped frenzy and +enemy damage simultaneously you're probably gonna have a rough time
quasi moat
lemme check my setup again
turbid needle
I recommend at least 10% - 20% into Whipped Frenzy because it makes very little difference in the difficulty, but adds a substantial heat increase
quasi moat
i ignored whipped frenzy because i didnt want to be bullied
turbid needle
Maybe 10% into the currency inflation
hard holly
Whipped Frenzy is a fine choice
But not when starting out, I think
It throws people off
Damage up is great because it teaches you the most important skill, not getting hit
Which translates well into higher heat setups
pastel jolt
convenience fee is a bit of a freebie if you're not big on buying from shops
hard holly
It also isnt as slow and tedious as health up is
quasi moat
|| https://i.imgur.com/hnpWUeW.png || this is what im sitting at right now
robust garden
hey one time i came across a hole in the ground that cost 22 hp to go in
do any of you know what that was
quasi moat
spoilers : || chaos gates, you lose health going in and can take a boon that punishes you for a few rooms, but will then give you a reward ||
hard holly
Yeah I dont like going for death insurance
unkempt pagoda
you meet a new person too!!!
hard holly
So Id personally take that off, and put a lot more into vicious torment
quasi moat
quasi moat
take
robust garden
oh no
quasi moat
a numbskull is going to touch me and i'll explode
ahaha i have enough to raise it to 500%
robust garden
why would you do that
pastel jolt
yes, jump down the hole and you will find chaos, they're very nice
quasi moat
couple reasons: you get more darkness with higher punishment levels, and you can get a reward if you complete a run at set levels
unkempt pagoda
and you can give them ambrosia
hard holly
Numbskulls actually dont do that much
unkempt pagoda
also bragging points too
hard holly
Thats 12 a hit I believe
hard holly
But yes, I would suggest trying it out with this for starters
If you find you cant handle the hits, lower it and switch back to health up or darkness down
quasi moat
i went straight for 500, i cant wait for meg to just look at me and i'll die
pastel jolt
who doesn't want to give the embodiment of the primordial chaos from which all things were born a bottle of God Drink
hard holly
500% to start is too much
unkempt pagoda
god milk
hard holly
Took me a couple dozen games to get used to 500%, and that was before Smug and Beefy came out
unkempt pagoda
deity cream
quasi moat
stop,
robust garden
lmao
unkempt pagoda
holy butter
quasi moat
i pretty much always use butterfly but with the damage up, more health is probably gonna be important
robust garden
so where can you punish yourself with 500% more damage
hard holly
Depends on the weapon
pearl willow
i play on high heat with no damage increase lol, im terrible. i get hit and i buy heals/lamia.
robust garden
what's heat
hard holly
With melee ones, Skellys tooth instead of Distant Memory I suppose?
west wren
now i go god, god, skull earring
quasi moat
vlad, || you unlock the pact of punishment by completing a full run ||
unkempt pagoda
this is spoilers
hard holly
I dont like Skull Earring at high heat
unkempt pagoda
if you havenโt beaten the second biome yet
mighty ermine
yeah, for 120+, god, different god, skelly usually for me
robust garden
i've barely gotten to it
unkempt pagoda
you should probs leave
quasi moat
and yeah ranged weapons are life for me, im awful with the spear/sword
forest marsh
Pact unlocks after Hydra, don't need a full run
pastel jolt
@robust garden heat is a resource you can start earning after defeating the hydra in asphodel, the second area
robust garden
then got dumpstered by some skeletons
hard holly
Then god, god, distant memory
robust garden
ah alright
hard holly
Name of my indie rock band
robust garden
is there a 3rd biome?
hard holly
I like Artemis on Bow a lot
mighty ermine
elysium! added in beefy update
pastel jolt
elysium
quasi moat
god god as in you take 2 of the god keepsakes for tarts r us and asphodel?
robust garden
oooo
hard holly
Yup
unkempt pagoda
pierced butterfly - thanatos
quasi moat
kk
pearl willow
i like the +200 gold trinket, then swap to god or consumable duration and usually end on cerberus collar. (protip - pick up the collar before using the fountain)
unkempt pagoda
new top hit
hard holly
Usually Artemis and Athena
quasi moat
and yeah artemis + bow is 
west wren
sword + special deflect = wtf is this damage
robust garden
how do you get god keepsakes
pastel jolt
give them ambrosia
hard holly
Athena gives you death defiance which is neat
west wren
make sure you give them before accepting the boon
quasi moat
, i was wondering why i was missing a keepsake
hard holly
And if youre not on bow, one of the best dashes
pastel jolt
hades is the only character who won't give you a keepsake the first time you give them ambrosia
hard holly
Oh no
west wren
hades gives keepsakes?
pastel jolt
he doesn't, i literally jsut said he doesn't
robust garden
oh yea what happens if i give a character ambrosia twice
west wren
so i thought 2nd or 3rd
pastel jolt
hades is the only character who won't give you a keepsake the first time you give them ambrosia
who WON'T
quasi moat
I was sitting there like https://i.imgur.com/cgxTSnb.png what am i missing, and then i realized
pastel jolt
you can't give him more than one
quasi moat
hes a frend tho
pastel jolt
lmao nah he's not
west wren
he's rude
quasi moat
well this run is beefed anways cus no artemis keepsake so i'll just run and see if i can pick it up
wanton raptor
I finally played the new patch and im loving it
quasi moat
Oof, yeah okay im starting to see the difficulty
got boxed in by thugs and one hit took off almost half my life
pastel jolt
my least favourite enemy with heat on is actually brimstones
hard holly
Oh yeah theyre nasty
They delete your health
I dislike louts and burnflingers more, especially if armoured
pastel jolt
"hey where'd my health go"
[laughs in brimstone]
quasi moat
yeah i really dislike brimstones
any time i get stuck in a corner because i dodged into scenery and stuff, its brimstones that immediately punish me
mighty ermine
yeah, i'm grateful that they at least have a distinct audio cue for the laser startup
robust garden
hey guys correct me if im wrong but is the 4th weapon a gun
pastel jolt
well, fifth, but yes!
robust garden
yea sorry i can't count
south comet
i just did a build with that combo yesterday, yea its fun as heck
robust garden
is it really?
hollow totem
I'm so excited for a new weapon
robust garden
ill try it next run if i can
hollow totem
Tbh they could only put a weapon in next patch and I'd be happy
hollow totem
But for now I'm satisfied testing out hammer combos
quasi moat
im hoping another ranged??? i know we just got the rail but like, the way the room is set up
it seems like 3 melee on one side, 3 ranged on the other
hollow totem
Ehh
The only strictly melee weapon is sword
And the only strictly ranged is the gun
The rest have their leeway
pseudo crow
i wonder what other ranged weapon there could be besides Gun and Bow
but yes the other weapons do have some ranged functionality
pseudo crow
put the transistor in hades
hollow totem
Ooh that would be cool
pastel jolt
honestly? i kinda want something relating to magic
hollow totem
@pseudo crow transistor would be nice, would love some form of dlc where you can play as red or the kid
pseudo crow
ooooo magic would be really cool
pseudo crow
that would be cool yea!!
pastel jolt
sword, spear, shield and bow are all very traditional weapons relating to the time period. then you have the gun, which is more modern despite being, like, the gun ancestor
hollow totem
Greek fire?
pseudo crow
but i think that wonโt happen til the gameโs finished haha
hollow totem
Like a Greek fire flamethrower
pastel jolt
something magical would be a great counterpoint to that
pseudo crow
like a staff!
quasi moat
uh, hrm
hollow totem
Just zag spitting bars
quasi moat
okay no swears
quasi moat
- I love that the rail is "oh god we made a gun, better get rid of it before the mortals find out"
pastel jolt
oh us we made a gun
hollow totem
Based
pastel jolt
but yes, i love the dramatic irony there
quasi moat
every single one of the gods who has a line for it is like "oh no where did you find THAT"
quasi moat
i would be 100% down for scythes
hollow totem
Or battle axe
quasi moat
but than already has that on lock
hollow totem
Gimme thanks scythe
pastel jolt
i don't want a scythe because it doesn't have its own identity
robust garden
oh a scythe would be cool as hecc
hollow totem
And the beef boys axe
I wish you could gift the minatour and thesius styff
They're charming
pseudo crow
OMG YES
pastel jolt
like, visually, maybe, but gameplay-wise, there's not a whole lot you can do with a scythe that the sword and spear don't already cover
pseudo crow
give us a scythe and let us match with than!!!!!!
hard holly
There is though
quasi moat
i hate thesus but i want to be friends with the mino
hard holly
Or hell, just large sweeping strikes
And yeah, since the last weapon is Demeters
Scythe has high odds
quasi moat
:0
pseudo crow
how bout instead of pulling the scythe back, you teleport to it? 
quasi moat
ooh
hard holly
There is a lot you can do
hollow totem
That's sounds more like a hammer boon
hard holly
Sweet spot damage
quasi moat
i'd love a movement based weapon
hard holly
Rake-attacks
hollow totem
Than default
pearl willow
A boomerang/chakram type thrown weapon or a sling/belt of alchemical grenades that would allow you to mix/match boons or could accept multiple boons and then cycle through them with each attack.
hard holly
I like the idea of throwing the scythe behind the enemies and pulling it back to backstab damage
pseudo crow
a movement based weapon would be cool yes yes
hard holly
With a powershot mechanic where if you time it right, it does more
There is a movement based weapon
Its called Shield
quasi moat
throwing the scythe and pulling it back is specifically the spear's thing tho
pseudo crow
not like bull rush
hard holly
Eh
Itd be different from spear tbh
Im thinking cone-based
And specifically only doing damage on the return
west wren
Spitting olives
unkempt pagoda
l o a f
quasi moat
loaf confirmed
mighty ermine
antioxidant-powered superweapon
old rivet
where do i post a video of a bug
hollow totem
You should report using f10
If you havent
As for videos I'm unsure where they would be posted
old rivet
It's prety hard to explain whitout the video
pastel jolt
upload somewhere else and put a link?
robust garden
the rail is really fun damn
i got crit chance and damage from artemis and accuracy and damage from daedalus
it was such a good un
old rivet
After swapping Ares atack boon for artemis atack boon both my hammer upgrades( the 80 dmg chop one and the double dash atack one ) did nothing it was fixed after i quit the run and entered again though this is what i wrote i think it's easy to understand
robust garden
i really feel like a special build for the rail would be very strong
true parrot
Does anybody know how to dodge the hydra's side heads lunge bites
Their tracking feels unfallible
At this point im just tanking through it, but at higher heat levels that aint workig for me
turbid needle
Oh wow I finally beat Elysium on 50 heat thanks to that Athena Blade build
I got suuper lucky with an Epic Athena Special right away, then got Instant Nova, and then the Super Nova in Elysium.
I stacked up tons of health and both Death Defiance upgrades. I Pom'd the special once, then got a +67% special from Chaos.
Dionysus' Wrath seemed very conducive to the playstyle, but I didn't get to use it much.
mellow aurora
how do you optimize your heat?
dusky drum
like change it??
or make it more to your playstyle
cuz you really only need a couple death defies and dashes
so you can prock into darkness limit
and upping the obold price to max is much easier to handle
whipped frenzy is alright
its mostly just finding out what you can deal with more
atomic panther
Personally, I go with maxed damage and obol price. You learn how to dodge very quickly
dusky drum
yea
and once you learn how to doge then used whipped frenzy
and dodge faster
but with maxed damage one mistake is worth a death defy
also the extra hits and extra health is easy if your running a high damage or a speed build
like rail
or bow
pastel jolt
noooooooooooo
i have a really good run going with super nova and athena but my second hammer is all attack stuff ;3;
robust garden
wait you can get more than one hammer
paper tide
ya
grand patrol
do you have the one that has attack crit after special
manic ermine
Its not too bad, with instant nova you can consistently dash-nova-lunge
grand patrol
OH
pastel jolt
also thanatos just showed up in elysium so i guess i get to find out what it looks like to actually lose a contest with him
grand patrol
aw man hjfhjfj
pastel jolt
nevermind
grand patrol
sweet
pastel jolt
turns out when thanatos 'kills' an exalted it pops out the shade and you can kill it to add to your count
WELP
oh wait
i thought it'd bugged out, i just forgot to grab the centaur heart bc it spawned where i was on room clear and i went and chased thanatos
let's see how this goes
turbid needle
mellow aurora
ok so why does the bull have random immunity mid fight?
pastel jolt
at 50% hp he becomes briefly invlnerable and then shifts into phase 2
mellow aurora
i just activate phase 2 on both of them at the same time and got supeeeer rekt
it was not fun
heavy bone
rip
mellow aurora
its kind of like ornstein and smough from dark souls
pastel jolt
yeah, you generally want to focus one and then the other rather than burn them down concurrently
mellow aurora
except tauros is faster than smough
thats what ive been doing, but i had ares heroic vengeance so just shredded them both down to half without thinking about it.
dusky drum
is it just me or is it impossible to see what theseus is doing
paper tide
it's not just you
icy sinew
what do you mean
dusky drum
he just attacks out of nowhere with 20dmg
paper tide
depending on what boons I have, it can be pretty much impossible to see what he's doing
dusky drum
yea
icy sinew
you see the crosshair though, don't you
mellow aurora
same. i just anticipate his attack and stay behind pillers
dusky drum
only half the time
icy sinew
thats interesting
dusky drum
the other half it isnt there
icy sinew
it was pretty consistent in my run
i mean i fought them only twice and won only once but
dusky drum
ive done the fight like 5-10 times and won 3
mellow aurora
its something you gotta get used to
dusky drum
you right
mellow aurora
just like hydra. and im sure they will make the fight more balanced just like the hydra
unkempt pagoda
I submitted it as a bug just in case, but I can't seem to click the middle option
I don't have Tenebrous Veil on
errant narwhal
huh
well its good that u submitted it but it seems to be the worst option out of all of them anyway lol
unkempt pagoda
i was hunting for an athena legendary run ๐ข
errant narwhal
theres still time!
all of elysium, and u can use that reroll to attempt to get another athena boon
feral pumice
I hadn't used the gun in a while (I just go by what gives the bonus), and now I want to use faster, explosive bullets forever.
native ether
Explosive Bullets + Any shooting modifier is amazing on the rail
dusky drum
add zeus attack and your game doesnt know how to run
i did that once and my computer became a toaster
turbid needle
add to that splitting bolt and becomes blazing toaster
and get the support fire and you're becoming blazing pc bullet hell at 5 fps
quasi moat
I love when the game lags from too many things happening
night pasture
okay on this run I've literally gotten nothing but artemis boons so far
which means that I got her legendary before the fury
and exagryph plus artemis' legendary is insane
how's everyone else's friday night
pearl willow
bow + poseidon dash is not a good time with exalted shield bearers, try to dash through them and you just end up right in their face lol
pearl willow
and no surprise i couldn't get theseus past half either. anything other than sword with athena special or shield just inevitably gets caught by something, rough.
quasi moat
i had one very fortunate run where i g ot him with the bow, but otherwise my only successful runs were sword or shield
its a -rough- fight
night pasture
did they amp up theseus spear tracking?
I couldn't dodge it even if I went through him to behind
only if it was already in motion
quasi moat
i assumed that was deliberate
you can't dodge it until he actually throws
otherwise he just turns to face you as you do so
night pasture
I feel like it wasn't initially that exact of a timing, if only because I've beaten him before
but I will defer to your expertise as I haven't played as much as a lot of people
quasi moat
well i mean, im no expert
night pasture
I'm presuming then the way to go is to take out the minotaur first
quasi moat
i just know the targeting thing stays right on you until he actually throws
and thats what ive always done yeah
theseus is miserable to fight phase 2 but its just painful tryint to burn him down while the minotaur is rushing you
night pasture
I thought I was being clever by going after theseus first 'cuz he does the god pools
ayup, sounds like we're on the same page
die and learn, as they say
quasi moat
if anything i think asterius needs a nerf for the rush
he turns so tight that i can dodge in circles around a pillar and he'll never hit it
you have to dodge at the absolute last second or he just turns and keeps coming
night pasture
I was more frustrated by the blocking angles on theseus
although frankly I think they just nerfed them and it's more a situation of "git gud" than anything
OH although spoiler tip |test spoiler|
hm, how do you do spoiler tags?
quasi moat
double that
night pasture
||test||
you get a blurb if you reach theseus and asterius with a certain item, ||the yarn of ariadne||
quasi moat
:0
night pasture
I thought it was a nice touch
quasi moat
in hindsight that should have been obvious but thats awesome
night pasture
I was very happy, but less so, because it meant I hadn't used the damn thing
trim ingot
what does he say
night pasture
||he thinks you're mocking them and riles up asterius about it||
feral pumice
Someone needs to make a compilation of all these secret interactions.
night pasture
I wouldn't want to put them on the spot but I feel like sparrow has most of them documented in the work on the wiki
well here I go to get killed again
feral pumice
There is no escape.
quasi moat
the change for completing a run to that really surprised me the first time
hard holly
It was changed?
lost rose
We generally don't list a ton of nonessential story content on the wiki
night pasture
Oh and I didn't mean to imply you should, I apologize
I meant that in the work on the wiki they had been discovered
quasi moat
i dont know if it was like, a change from before
but if you complete a run it says Is there no escape? instead
hexed blade
Are there any shortcuts to the 2nd world? like for next runs?
You can play it with a DS4 yes
It even shows the correct buttons
So the 2nd world turns the game into a poorly made bullethell!? wtf?
quasi moat
er, no?
hexed blade
Er yea, the enemies in the 2nd world shoot paterns of bullets at you
thats a bullet hell
also that 1st boss was awful, spawning umpteen enemies at you for no reason
Is there a shortcut to the 2nd world though?
quasi moat
no there's no shortcut
hexed blade
wow, thats awful
quasi moat
and every enemy has attack patterns, so im not sure what youre talking about, but you seem unnecessarily upset
hexed blade
because I was duped
I thought this was a rougelite dungeon crawler from the first world
then the 2nd one throws all the good things out the window
feral pumice
He's either a troll or a kid. Either way, ignore him.
quasi moat
yeah, i was gonna! just was confused what he was complaining about specifically