Thanks! I've never been so glad that the boss spawns chariots, the only thing I had that did any damage was the wrath since I couldn't pick up festive fogs safely lol
#h1-builds-and-combat
regal nexus
forest marsh
Congrats Rynth! I'm pretty sure you hold the highest heat record for the patch
regal nexus
Thank you! And thank goodness, because I am not doing that again with veil or whipped
forest marsh
Guess it's a good thing you had 7 DDs, eh? 
lyric folio
Okay I am going for 146 gold my tea
lyric folio
What is your pact setup?
regal nexus
It's everything but whipped/veil
lyric folio
Why no veil?
regal nexus
Veil's the same as a normal run but with extra rng
If you can beat 145 you can beat 160, and having done 160 on the hydra patch I am not about to go through that hell again on elysium patch
it also pretty much requires seeding and mapping out tartarus, since you need your core build done before you even reach the second biome
feral pumice
It's kind of hilarious going ham on low heat with butterfly. I got it and Ares to net me +32% dmg by the end of the first area.
lyric folio
Gosh darn it
I save up all my gold for death defiances
All the way up to hydra
Where I spend a tiny bit
and in the next well ofc there is one
and the second one after it too
regal nexus
😭
lyric folio
And now I get it first room when I literally don't have money yet
Cmon Hades I thought we were friends
pearl willow
this game absolutely refuses to give me zeus legendary when i'm using rail 😦
forest marsh
Just gotta believe in the heart of the cards...
That is unfortunate, though. It's the dream
pearl willow
my dream is more like dark thirst never landing on rail lol
pastel jolt
the day dark thirst lands on shield is the day i die
pastel jolt
this exact scenario is why it kills me inside whenever i realise too late that i missed a gold pot
lyric folio
Or killing a pot and leaving before then gold is actually added, which is a thing
I found out through experience :((
pearl willow
i almost always make a short loop around rooms to break pots before exiting
lyric folio
Is this supposed to be this low? https://imgur.com/a/yFyY07f
I submitted it as a bug just to be sure
forest marsh
So I saw that in Curl's stream the other day, and I'm 95% certain it's because of Grim Inevitability
pastel jolt
that would explain it
forest marsh
Which is to say, the restore amount is adjusted for the penalty
pastel jolt
how much do you have in GI, wingblade?
forest marsh
I'd wager 60%
pastel jolt
mm, that'd match the numbers
interesting that GI doesn't seem to be affecting premium vintage
forest marsh
I wonder if it would be helpful to have like a footnote or something on adjusted values to indicate that it's been modified by a Pact or a Chaos Curse (for things in general, not just this)
Premium Vintage isn't a heal, technically, so GI wouldn't affect it
Just like it doesn't affect Centaur Hearts
pastel jolt
true
lyric folio
forest marsh
Poor Ares, doesn't play well with others... One day he'll have a Duo again
atomic panther
Ares has two duos, one with Aphro (which is very strong imo, do try it out if you can) and the seeking blade rift (which moved to Artemis duo instead of as a normal boon for logistical purposes)
pastel jolt
he doesn't have the aphro duo any more
atomic panther
Wait what
pastel jolt
yeah it got axed in the latest patch while they work out balancing issues
pearl willow
i've never had over 1000 obols at once, thanks chaos.
minor ice
The seeking rifts. Might not be good, but it's hilarious
forest marsh
Oh hmmm, I forgot about the Artemis one 'cause it wasn't on the main portion of Ares' page 
Sorry 
quaint gale
just to note about After Party, at 100% Grim Inevitability it's literally at life threshold of 0
forest marsh
I'm guessing it was left off 'cause it has to come from Artemis, though
pastel jolt
yeah, i'm 🤔 about how to handle that - so far, god boon tables just list what you can get from that god
forest marsh
Yeah, I figured that was the intent
pastel jolt
until recently you couldn't get deadly reversal from athena so her page didn't list it either
quaint gale
I think it makes sense to list it with the note that you need to get it from the other god when appropriate
pearl willow
man shield charge is good for elysium and the bosses. and i really like that power shot boon for it.
pastel jolt
has anyone gotten both the murderboat and the megagorgon in the same run?
grand patrol
me!
quaint gale
yep
unkempt pagoda
all the time
turbid needle
I have
forest marsh
Could be a relic in the data, too? I think at one point early on it might not have been possible to have both (but I can't say for sure)
turbid needle
I don't think I have on the latest update? I'm not sure.
pastel jolt
nah, i think i just misread a line as being something else
turbid needle
Ah
pastel jolt
also i'm putting murderboat on asphodel's page Because I Can
forest marsh
Because you should 
Murderboat deserves it's proper place 
Also, thanks for being so invested in the wiki, sparrow! I try to help out here and there, but you do so much for it 
pastel jolt
turbid needle
It was only once I got good enough to consistently pass the murderboat encounter hitless that I felt gud at the game
unkempt pagoda
i hate the megagorgon so much, i don’t why i have so much trouble with her
forest marsh
MG can be a pain without deflect, but right now I think she's actually easier than the buffed Elite Skullcrusher (not to take away from your experience, just sharing my own)
pastel jolt
lost rose
less treacherous than it used to be
pastel jolt
but still a pain in the neck
unkempt pagoda
elite skull crusher is more of a nuisance now because of how often it goes up, but i can usually dodge it
lost rose
now it's less of a murderboat and more of a...nuisanceboat
unkempt pagoda
megagorgon is just aaaghhhh
pastel jolt
ven you can take the name "murderboat" from my cold dead hands
lost rose
oh i wasn't planning to
forest marsh
Honestly, without the splash attack the MG can be backstab-abused right now for great success
mint topaz
TFW your entire build ends up being Aphrodite 102%+ Special, and Shield return explosion 
💥
atomic panther
Do special boons apply to the damage from shield return explosion?
mint topaz
yup
atomic panther
Oh jeez that's why it's so much damage
mint topaz
Status, and Cast stuck in the enemy my return was doing roughly 255 damage on perfect set ups
and I had nearly 100%+ bonus backstab if my cast deflected too
atomic panther
:D
forest marsh
I'd always assumed that Chthonic Coinpurse only worked at the start of a run, but I suppose it makes sense that it could be implemented mid-run as well. Willsaber's feedback made me think about it
turbid needle
I take a godboon to start (Artemis nine times out of ten), then usually a two-hundred gold boost for Asphodel, then the Skull Earing for extra damage in Elysium.
radiant grove
I do arrow for artemis in tartarus, then I do athena owl thingie in aspho, and then I take collar for ely
spice turret
Just got Poseidon's legendary for the first time. Blocked by tenebrous veil...
opaque merlin
Has anyone noticed backstab damage scaling weird? I had a run recently with the Rail and had ~100% increased attack damage... noticed that my regular attacks were hitting for 20, but backstabs for only 25. Did the backstab damage bonus get caught in the "bonuses are additive now" sweep?
latent badger
i know the backstab mirror bonus went down to 50 instead of 100. That might be old news though.
Also, what are people's strategies for fast times. I just happened upon quick nova with Athena and I kinda became unstoppable. I got done in 28 minutes but I bet people here have way better times
forest marsh
My best is 23 and change, but the current (recorded) speed record is 16:05 (Real Time) - 12:47 IGT
I'm not a speed runner though, so I don't really have a strategy for going fast. It's mostly down to luck for me
forest marsh
For me? Yes. The speed runners typically use Whipped Frenzy to go faster, though
latent badger
Oh right, cause the baddies load in faster
I'm watching the speedrunner. He got the instant nova like I did.
spice turret
Okay, so, I could probably just about handle Elysium, but those Heckin' Spearmen
Like, it makes sense that there's an enemy that can leap over your shield
It does.
But... It's still supremely frustrating
lost rose
Fourth run elysium clear
Hey, should explosive return be dealing doom damage???
I'm getting an extra 30 damage at a delay on enemies caught in the returning explosion
On the shield
proud storm
The explosion can spread status curses
woeful stirrup
@formal valve How long do you spend on each biome? I spend (roughly) 10 minutes in Tartarus, 10 minutes in Asphodel, and 10 to 15 minutes in Elysium, so not much of an increase.
formal valve
7, 7, 25
Though I have nasty framerate problems in that biome
and also the bosses are super tanky
formal valve
like despite less visually intesive stuff happening, the boss is the worst for framerate for me
errant narwhal
i currently have a 100 damage dash
im honestly not even using my attack
also, i officially have enough darkness for 1 reroll!
heroic boons are not always worth it as it turns out
placid plinth
Dio in general is kinda lacking currently. As some damage on top of something? Sure, can do. As main source of damage - nnope
He could be in Asphodel, but in Elysium he isn't very useful
errant narwhal
i dont like his main ability boons, but stuff like after party and premium vintage are too good to pass up
well. theyre fun, but not the highest damage output
manic ermine
grant any stacks applied at max overspill splash damage
opaque merlin
I actually really like Dio dash, just because it's kinda the most organic way of applying extra status curses without doing anything you wouldn't already be doing
lost rose
aphro dash is good for that too, with the added benefit of lasting longer (i believe) and doing more damage
AND cutting enemy attack
aphrodite boons are useful again, at long last...
turbid needle
https://i.imgur.com/OIJIspP.png Zag, You're the WIZARD
with aphrodite wrath... LUL
have to say... that was one of the funniest Elysium runs that I ever had...
mostly because everything in my sight died by millions of seeking shots I was casting...
It was fun to feel like Hydra... for once
opaque merlin
Anyone know what happens if you pick up Burst Shot and then swap your cast out for someone else's?
lost rose
🤔
turbid needle
Twin Shot + Explosive Bow... which means it could be better with Triple I guess...
Artemis + Bow is pretty broken lol
that being said, Elysium as it is... is unfinished, I feel
lost rose
well, it did just come out
manic ermine
Burst shot doesn't work if you lose artemis cast
turbid needle
that's sad
turbid needle
atomic panther
:0
atomic panther
:0
calm sable
My hands are shaking I need to take a break lmao
no damage on Theseus and Asterius and I cleared it in about 65~ seconds wtff
turbid needle
nice
I still like Skull earing more though lol
I feel that 2,5% damage per encounter feels way too meek
and taking pierced butterfly locks you in
hot vale
Do share your strategies for not taking any damage on Theseus for us scrubs. I get that his big spear throw is telegraphed but I still get dinged on his spin and random pokes
mint leaf
I'd say you just have to be hyper mindful of where he is at all times. If you're using a ranged weapon, stay away from him to avoid that nasty spin attack.
If you're melee, figure out his openings before you proceed to constantly dip in and out (especially if you have a good dash attack boon). If you have a really good cast and/or wrath, utilize those, too.
Also, if you find that he gives you more trouble than Asterius, take him out first.
turbid needle
Twin Shot + Explosive Bow... which means it could be better with Triple I guess...```
Burst Shot doesn't fire extra shots if you have the Triple BowI tried that yesterday or the day before, and I was honestly slightly disappointed :(
pearl willow
Has anyone noticed/determined how weakness works differently after the patch? I haven't actually gone and tested but I'm pretty sure I observed attacks that normally hit for 20 damage with +100% from heat being reduced to 15 damage after weakness. So it looked like either a -50% reduction or a -25% multiplier to me.
worn fulcrum
I believe that damage increases and reductions are addative now
So you take 10 * (100% base + 100% from heat - 50% from weak) = 15 damage
spice turret
Yeah... That seems about right. On the one hand, it's part of what they're doing, but it does mean that Aphrodite gets real weak at high heat.
pearl willow
Indeed, that's what I think is likely happening as well. I wonder if the DR effects from Athena/Dio or other trinkets work the same way.
obtuse tapir
Oh I didn't notice that
worn fulcrum
It's definitely a buff without any heat damage increases, because you can stack weak with, say, Athena's damage reduction boon
But much weaker at high heat, yeah
spice turret
True, yeah. I saw someone in the feedback talking about how convenient Weak+Bronze skin+Bracer would be at high heat, and tried it...
And proceeded to get absolutely merced
I now understand why it was so downvoted
worn fulcrum
You would be pretty invincible at lower heat, though
spice turret
True. I think that's where they discovered it, and then didn't think about how damage usually has to scale with heat?
That is to say, how extra damage is usually the first thing you add
night pasture
man, bow versus Theseus is rough
I don't really have any questions or anything, that was just a sentiment I wished to express
actually you know what I had explosive arrows and the longer charge up time was really what made it tedious
lesson learned
median ridge
i just had an amazing run with the bow with 1000+ damage crits
got really lucky with the hammer and lots of convenient chaos boons
plucky oxide
Had an amazing aphro+artemis cast run. One of the most fun runs to date. Was hitting 1k consistently. Wrecked mino in record time. And then... Theseus ruined me. He kept turning around before my aphro cast was done. The wind up animation was killer. There were times when I was completely behind him, and he'd be able to 180 around and absorb everything by the time Zag was ready to shotgun. I eventually was out of DDs, panicking, and I had to stick to my rail. I died after kiting his nonsense for a long time, slowly whittling down his health. I just couldn't see any openings to use aphro cast without heavily risking myself. He ended my streak by the time I got him down to 10%.
turbid needle
:/
plucky oxide
I was on something like 54 wins in a row ; . ;
Rip, oh well
pearl willow
as the game gets faster the cast animation gets more and more dangerous lol
median ridge
so uh, i started a fresh save to see how far i could get on my first run
made it to elysium so far
i doubt i’ll get far but i made it
pastel jolt
REDUCED HEALTH ON THE BEEFY BOYS, THERE IS A GOD
hard holly
Wait, isnt Deadly Reversal a Duo boon?
pastel jolt
it is
dull berry
also one thing i don't understand is this:
what's the point of the artemis dash?
hard holly
Nooooo
dull berry
if it doesn't deal damage when you dash how does it increase by 15% ?
minor ice
You can now retrieve Cast ammo while using the Shield's Bull Rush
Guess whomst is now going back to only playing shield.
dull berry
oh
pastel jolt
+Twin Shot (Bow): reduced range penalty
hi that's the sound of me crying with joy because my favourite bow hammer just got even better
hard holly
Ok Deadly Reversal is 35% now
Still good
Empowering Nova is down to 25%
Yeesh
Time to test spears new damage
pearl willow
Does the bone hourglass give even more duration to consumables now? I already quite liked that effect.
pastel jolt
goddamn, yet another time where i got so hype for new patch i immediately updated and forgot to backup previous files
hard holly
Yeah spear is back to 25 on both ends
A considerable improvement
But its still probably bad
turbid needle
yeah, it's still probably really bad
hard holly
Eh "really" is a bit much
I dont think it needs much more to be decent
Just a little cleanup on the traits
I mean hammers
Vicious back to 100% crit on return but no damage boost
Explosive changing base damage
That kinda stuff
turbid needle
it really does depend on the content I guess
for me it would be mostly making it so that the base weapon doesn't feel crippled
spin attack without hammer feels like old Titan toppler...
median ridge
eyyyy first run on a fresh save got me all the way to theseus
where i was brutally killed
turbid needle
well...
with Theseus I have one tip: Kill him faster than he kills you, that helps a lot
median ridge
that second dash is really essential to not dying to asterius’s charge
but yeah i’m really proud of how much i’ve improved. took me 16 tries to get past meg when i first started, and then probably 10 more to get past the hydra after that
turbid needle
it definitely gets easier as you get mirror though
and you learn what is good with what
median ridge
yup, for sure. but even without any upgrades from the mirror or keepsakes or the charon wells, it’s still possible to go pretty far. i’m sure someone more skilled than me could beat the game on a fresh save
spice turret
Got it, Hypnos
minor ice
Why did I have to get all of these on the same boon 😭
https://imgur.com/B1jMSUa
turbid needle
typical game
I usually get duos and legendaries in same moment
ok...
I think that Theseus got about -20% health reduction ?
pastel jolt
yesss that's what i suggested
minor ice
I'm not even to the Hydra and this might be my fav run, ever
The Aphrodite Legendary is
unnnfff
I have Charm on the bow special 🙃 I just shoot a whole room at once and it's a mutiny!
turbid needle
and clean kill also got nerfed to ground
basically you can say that
if u see reduced
it's slashed in half LUL
rich trail
Dunno if this is the right place and sorry I didn't get a screenshot or remember the proper names but I might of encountered a bug interaction in a couple of the deadelus hammer upgrades for the bow. I first took the double shot upgrade but with reduced range, when I got a later upgrade and took damage explosion in reduced draw speed the range seemed to reset to the bows natural range but retaining the double shot. Bug or intended?
proud storm
they nerfed the cyclops jerky select
turbid needle
yeah
by 10%
which means it's still strong
sadly, that's the only thing they don't nerf to hell lol
pastel jolt
i'm being tormented
i smashed the golden urn at the bottom and now i'm at 187
interesting - the game can spawn two hammers in elysium, if you got unlucky and didn't get one in asphodel or tartarus
turbid needle
yes, that can happen
pastel jolt
idk why but i assumed it that wasn't the case
gritty shell
Does anybody know if buffs from keepsakes like Old Spiked Collar and Pierced Butterfly are retained after you switch them out? Can you use Pierced Butterfly in the early easy rooms and then switch out, or do you have to essentially make the whole run with Pierced Butterfly?
pastel jolt
nope
mighty ermine
the buffs go away if you switch keepsakes
gritty shell
shoot, thanks for the help.
pastel jolt
i'm elegible for splitting bolt if i go with zeus
turbid needle
which chamber?
turbid needle
go zeus I guess
pastel jolt
i'm tempted to roll the dice and go zeus to see what he gives me
hard holly
I guess Zeus
pastel jolt
yeah
hard holly
Since Charon doesnt have a lot of better options
pastel jolt
i could buy more health from charon but, like..... nah
mighty ermine
zeus time
errant narwhal
noooooo im sorry
pastel jolt
guess i'll take clouded judgment, since i've got aphrodite wrath
might be able to get the beef boys to squabble
manic ermine
Poor Artemis
pseudo crow
good luck ; - ;
pastel jolt
one thing i miss about the old boon layout is that there's no easy way to give people a picture like "hey here's the boons i have and the stats on them"
since theseus doesn't block lightning bolts i could absolutely just dash him to death
pseudo crow
you should, he doesn't deserve an honorable battle ):<
pastel jolt
HAHA
pseudo crow
NICE
pastel jolt
oh my god, i love this fight so much more with the reduced health
pastel jolt
turbid needle
I think duo boon should be given by either of gods
pastel jolt
laughed so hard i made a horrible honking noise
turbid needle
once you have prequisites
not the "once the all stars align and chosen one is thrown into undead asylum" then you're gonna get your duo boon thing
this is also good one
pastel jolt
reroll #4 acquired!!
pseudo crow
nice nice nice
median ridge
awww cluster bomb is gone? i was wondering why i could never get it since the update
i was dreaming of a triple cluster bomb heaven
i like how the asterius solo fight feels more beneficial to the run now
turbid needle
yes
median ridge
he does
pastel jolt
yeah, i thought so
he has 16k health now, and starts at 70% if you fought him earlier
which gives him and theseus about equal health going into the final fight
median ridge
i’ve managed to take him down within a minute or two with a great bow build
it feels like a huge difference from before
turbid needle
yeah, there is
viscid hemlock
Oh, the Ares-Artemis Duo Boon is a sweet combo, especially with Ares' other Boons extending the size & damage of the Blade Rifts from my Casts, and Artemis' other Boons giving me greater crit chance & damage; I tore through Elysium on about half the time it normally takes me. 😎
viscid hemlock
Oh yeah lol
All these Gods beginning with 'A'... was there a shortage of letters? 😉
forest marsh
Got me all excited, I was gonna say... Didn't see any new Duo's noted in the patch
quiet ledge
If I pass a Deadalus, can I still get 2 this run? I'm in the middle of first floor
forest marsh
Yup
quiet ledge
good
turbid needle
hmm
Freak Accident + Sea Storm + Zeus Dash + 47% Double Strike + Splitting Bolt... what could possibly go wrong lol
blazing mulch
It's just me or after patch it's no way to win with thanatos?
pseudo crow
what do you mean o: what does he do?
pastel jolt
it's jsut you
i had him show up in my last run and i finished with double the number of kills he had
blazing mulch
He just kill everything before I even hit enemies
So last time 15/1 where I killed just 1
pseudo crow
it's probably your build or somethin
delicate hound
Haven't played the new update yet, how are people liking the new dodge and biome?
blazing mulch
Idk man, I reached elysium and almost did minotaur final with it
unkempt pagoda
i find thanatos in elysium easier because i can pick off the souls and the witches and i leave the actual exalted to him
blazing mulch
And all the challenges with thanatos looks the same
tough echo
In a room of 8 people, if they were to shake hands with everyone, there will be a total of 28 handshakes. 😊
Will there be the same number of Duo Boons in this game~? 😬
plucky oxide
Advise on Than: Don't play near him. Run to the other side of the map before the next wave spawns. He has to path to you before he puts down the mean circle. It also gives more emphasis on knockback boons from Poseidon.
peak cape
i have a quick question whens the new update dropping ? or did it drop already
pastel jolt
uh, it dropped last week
there's been two smaller balancing patches since then, the latter of which happened a couple hours ago
lyric folio
Haha Zix you are in for a treat!
peak cape
I stopped playing for some months lol I'm coming back for the update
So I'm basically coming back blind I guess I saw that some gods were added that's sickkk
mighty ermine
uploaded a full 120 heat elysium run for anyone interested in that sort of thing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Piau7vj0o3I
errant narwhal
ooh u should post that in #self-promotion as well!
mighty ermine
oh yeah, thanks!
errant narwhal
im tempted to buy that kiss of styx, just to see how many i can get
pastel jolt
do it
pseudo crow
you should, it would be fun
errant narwhal
like, i wont need all of them probably, just for fun
forest marsh
I think my max is a total of 8 in a run
errant narwhal
Purchased
forest marsh
And yeah, usually when you have so many you really don't need them, but it's fun
pseudo crow
yee haw
grand patrol
"good luck killing me im behind 7 death defies"
mighty ermine
i honestly did the same thing on that 120 run i just posted dfghgdf, the run ended with six of them totally unused
but i had to stack them
errant narwhal
ill watch it after my run is finished, 120 heat is. impressive
pastel jolt
sighs, opens photoshop
pseudo crow
thank you for providing us with quality content sparrow
forest marsh
I did a few attempts at 120 today, only made it into Asphodel so far
mighty ermine
which weapon have you been attempting with?
i've only gotten semi-consistent with aegis at heat levels that high
errant narwhal
hmmmmmmm money or heart
forest marsh
Today I was running shield. It seems really good for high heat
mighty ermine
absolutely
forest marsh
I can't decide if Athena or Poseidon is more advantageous on attack... They both have their benefits
The DPS on Poseidon is generally higher than Athena, not counting bosses
Due to wall slams
But deflect can proc crit and protect from wave attacks
mighty ermine
i typically go with athena over poseidon just so i can potentially get a deadly reversal build going, or even just the exposed debuff or something added
but poseidon is still great for raw damage, for sure
forest marsh
Now get a 10th for Patroclus
errant narwhal
Please Say Patroclus
mighty ermine
wait, ten
pastel jolt
grand patrol
HFVHJFHJFHJ I LOVE HOW YOU GOT IT TO LOOK LIKE HES WEARING A SUIT
errant narwhal
also, is it possible to alter a room into a pat room?
forest marsh
I think Patroclus is coded to be room 33 or 34
Somewhere around there
I could be mistaken, of course
pastel jolt
well he's definitely not guaranteed to show up
forest marsh
Oh, yeah, I don't mean guarantee. Just if he shows up, that's where
errant narwhal
YES
pastel jolt
the only thing i can see is that you have to be at least 4 rooms deep into elysium before he'll have a chance to appear
pseudo crow
i want that pinned too dhjsfghjsdgshkg
thank you for giving us important content sparrow
👌
pastel jolt
forest marsh
Looks like 10 would fit perfectly, so does 11 break the interface?
pearl willow
well i managed to down hydra on 120 heat and then proceeded to have some spearmen mop the floor with me
quaint gale
typical
lost rose
the shield boys always get me :/
forest marsh
Such cruelty, to always be blocking our path to success. Arriving in Elysium only to be spearited away! Forced once more to bow out, with our dying gasp we blade farewell to that paradise...
mighty ermine
120 on the new patch! barely made it. i like the change made to deadly reversal too; brings it down to earth a bit while still feeling strong https://i.imgur.com/ITegpul.png
spice turret
Okay, so, I'm finally into Elysium with high heat. Like, into elysium
Alright. 120 Heat, Theseus battle. Didn't meet Asterius on the way, so... Wish me luck?
Didn't even break a death defiance
upbeat junco
does anyone know the new damage to spear throw?
atomic panther
It should be 30 (what it was last patch iirc)
upbeat junco
oo thats good
also with the hunter's mark im assuming that now that the mark disappears when you get a crit, the mark doesn't reapply since you got a crit
mighty ermine
right, getting a crit while mark is active makes it go away until you reapply
atomic panther
I specifically remember the spear throw being buffed to 30 (last time it happened) as "Oh I kill brimstones with one special not two now"
upbeat junco
yea prior to this patch the damage was just really bad, even if you got Athena attack it'd only make the damage like 40-50 damage which was horrible
also is Deadly Reversal still worth taking?
cold oriole
beyond tilted rn
i have the run of my life going
and i just hit a game breaking bug
atomic panther
Yes, Proxy. 35% is nowehere near as good as 100% but it's still extremely strong
cold oriole
i have double chaos dash attack, artemis dash attack, normal attack buff, perfect shot right at the start of asphodel
cold oriole
and the room is glitched so that even though its clear and theres no foes left and the 'safe' music is playing
just 25 lol
everything is locked
and the only exit option is give up
so im gonna have to toss the run
cold oriole
yeah i reported already
upbeat junco
if the option is give up, the run should be the same
cold oriole
still sad tho
lost rose
cool cool
upbeat junco
really?
cold oriole
sadly
upbeat junco
I thought the whole run stayed the same
cold oriole
nah
chaos boons at very least change
and half of why this run is OP is amazing chaos boons
cold oriole
ah well XD
upbeat junco
actually, when the room completed did the room reward show up
upbeat junco
I've had a similar situation during the Mino mini boss fight where the room reward actually took like 5-10 seconds to show up after the he left the room
median ridge
lol i’ve consistently had to wait for the room reward after defeating the bull
it always takes a few seconds, there’s a squishing sound. and then the reward is given
upbeat junco
I didn't notice the sound but that happened to me
median ridge
it has happened without fail for me, to the point where i’m not sure if it’s a bug or not
lost rose
happens all the time to me too lol
upbeat junco
also anyone who has tried the new twin shot how good is the range increase?
median ridge
i have. it’s really good
had an insanely good run with it paired with perfect shot and lots of dash attack buffs
upbeat junco
can't wait to try it out when I get home then, and speaking of pairing have you gotten twin shot with triple shot or is that not possible?
median ridge
also, did the auto-aim get polished? i feel like it was snapping to targets much better since the update
forest marsh
I believe so
median ridge
playing bow is much faster now. easily my favorite weapon in the game at the moment
upbeat junco
It says there was aiming assist was polished in the patch notes for beefy patch
forest marsh
From Patch 18 (The Beefy Update):
+ Improvements to Aim Assist tuning using controllers
i’m using a keyboard and mouse and i noticed the auto aim got better
upbeat junco
Yea bow is awesome, I've used it since I first got the game back in early december
cold oriole
I've been maining bow since Bastion, no reason to stop now
upbeat junco
I haven't tried with keyboard and mouse since I'm on laptop and I don't have a mouse, so I use my controller and auto aim feels good with controller
atomic panther
One of the things that makes Hades so fantastic is that every player has a favorite weapon and a reason why, and it supports all of them. I, for example, like weapons and upgrades that give me The Biggest Number, and I've been a vocal supporter of World Splitter since I started playing, then SGG dropped Heavy Slug into my lap and I started crying tears of joy. It's so great how versatile this game is, and how varied everyone's playstyles are.
cold oriole
my favorite build is actually centered on bow special
relentless posideon barrage with breaking wave and rupture is godly amounts of fun
terrible against bosses
granite night
i just found 1 shot gun hammer boon, love it!
cold oriole
but so fun
upbeat junco
Yea i tried a heavy slug build a while ago and the damage was pretty good but the auto reload after every shot actually made it hard to move around and I got hit alot
mighty ermine
absolutely, there's so many fun ways to play for so many different play styles
granite night
the auto reload reminds me of call of duty 2
forest marsh
Gotta abuse dash cancel on the reload
atomic panther
Heavy Slug and World Splitter are a power couple tbh
granite night
whats world splitter
forest marsh
Oh boy, now you'll get Norman started...
atomic panther
Hammer Upgrade for Sword that replaces your normal attack pattern with A Single Mighty Chop That Deals 80 Damage
atomic panther
No, it's 80 base damage
They specifically made it stack well with the new buffs system
upbeat junco
oh i thought it the buff said 300%
mighty ermine
[bass boosted Link "HIYAH"]
granite night
all the new dash combos too, this patch is so good
atomic panther
They changed it, yeah
upbeat junco
I tried a world splitter run a while ago but since I dash around alot because I main bow, the I kept dash attacking instead of doing the chop
upbeat junco
that really screwed me over
cold oriole
in my humble opinion
the new main objective of the game is 'get to 8 death defiance or die trying'
granite night
lol
upbeat junco
^^
forest marsh
Bit of a contradiction, there
cold oriole
Death defiance is not there to improve your run
it is there so you can have more pretty hearts
granite night
i just out meta the meta and only doing falling object damage builds
atomic panther
With World Splitter you gotta let yourself become one with the sword. Feel the power flowing throw you, leave the dash behind, powerwalk like you mean it, and then, when the time is right, YOU STRIKE WITH THE MIGHT OF THE GODS
forest marsh
The High Priest is channeling the spirit of World Splitter, everyone run!
cold oriole
i never stop dashing tho
has anyone played around with double dash attack crit builds for sword?
upbeat junco
Yea I ended up dashing less during that run and it felt weird
cold oriole
kinda reminds me of fiora
atomic panther
The Charon's Well item that gives you + move speed is really useful
forest marsh
Ignited Ichor might be the best, cheapest item that no one should ever pass up. Doesn't matter what your build is
atomic panther
I haven't played with the upgrade after the most recent change (my mouse isn't working rn and that makes Hades difficult) but I have in the past. It's really fun, and it does feel a lot like Fio
upbeat junco
ooo im currently in a lecture at Uni and I just learned that my final exam is 100 multiple choice questions
trim ingot
nice
cold cave
daaamn
cold oriole
also yay somone else who knows league XD
ive found a lot of ppl in the roguelike community dont touch it
cold cave
i had a really good run going and then the game froze + crashed
cold cave
haha i need to upgrade my pc f
cold oriole
hey same thing more or less happened to me XD
atomic panther
Well, it's an entirely different gaming experience. I enjoy the game itself, though I have what I believe to be a reasonable number of qualms with Riot and how they handle representation (and that's all I'll say on that tonight)
cold cave
dio builds are fun honestly
atomic panther
Dio's so much fun, yeah! I wish there were more ways to make Festive fog, honestly
cold cave
yeah
i got a rare cast from him and the aoe was HUGE
this was the first time ive used festive fog
upbeat junco
I think dio builds are cool, but I couldn't get used to the hit and run playstyle of the poison
forest marsh
Dio on dash can be a nice compliment to a close-in build
atomic panther
I don't think the rarity effects the Fog size (but now I want to see a boon that does that, like what Black Metal does for Rifts)
cold cave
if so then thats neat
forest marsh
Fog AoE is already massive
cold cave
it was doing like 130 or so damage
forest marsh
But yeah, the radius is fixed
cold cave
i expected the aoe to be pretty small lol
atomic panther
It's so large bc it doesn't stick, so it needs to make up for the lack of Boiling Blood
cold cave
ah yeah
upbeat junco
what do you think of the nerf to backstab?
cold cave
ive only done 5 runs so far so i dont have much in the mirror yet
forest marsh
It's balanced by other changes, I think the nerf is fine
cold cave
just dashes, casts, and death defies so far
upbeat junco
fair enough
atomic panther
I'm fine with it, and even without the addition of Privileged Position I think it was a warranted nerf.
upbeat junco
speaking of privileged position, is it any good? I feel that it's useless unless the build you have has multiple curses
cold oriole
overall i feel like the game is arguably in the easiest to clear state its ever been rn
it took me about 2 tries to best the champ
forest marsh
It's honestly really easy to get 2 Status Curses though
median ridge
i need to find out how many tries it will take me to get a clear from a fresh save
my try today was before the final boss duo got nerfed
atomic panther
I haven't tried with Elysium, but last patch it took me 3
upbeat junco
I managed to beat Theseus on my first attempt but then lost the next 3 runs, and yea I get that it's easy to get the curses but then your build needs to actually apply curses
forest marsh
I like the concept of Privileged Status, gives more motivation to expand your build
I think in general that SG is trying to push people away from mono-builds
forest marsh
Just takes practice 
cold oriole
i havent done a 60 heat clear of elysium yet, i need to get better at stacking butterfly first lol
upbeat junco
How long have you played for?
atomic panther
My first save file took 60 runs to beat the hydra. Time and Practice are a hell of a drug
cold oriole
I honestly havent tried a fresh save file yet
forest marsh
Yeah, I was similar. Took me 45 runs to clear Hydra (this would have been on the first release patch, though, so it might feel different now)
cold cave
i played for like a month then took a break and i made a new save when i came back
median ridge
yup
mighty ermine
yes, because i have, far too many keys by now
forest marsh
I do it all the time, yeah
cold oriole
but i just cant bring myself to spend them on anything but the infernal broker for more darkness
like idk
median ridge
i have like, 70 or so
cold oriole
i just cant bring myself to do it
atomic panther
Use them on the troves that have darkness. Easy fix
forest marsh
I used to avoid Troves on principal, but nowadays I almost never pass one up (for Obol, anyway)
cold oriole
i dont rly need them to clear tbh
and spending a permanant resource on a temporary run goes against every belief i hold dear as a loot hoarder
mighty ermine
i'll just say that i have over 200 keys right now, so i really can't ever feel bad for using them on troves, yknow
it's just like, oh hey, sure i'll get some more obol
forest marsh
But how else are you going to get to Theseus with 1500 
in your pocket?
cold oriole
i always spend all of mine :p
forest marsh
If you get the right boons, you can't spend it all
cold oriole
oh posideon
forest marsh
Chaos +%obol and a 3-key Trove? Insta cash for days
cold oriole
king of the sugar dads
mighty ermine
who needs a job when your uncle is poseidon and your primordial grandma is chaos
more obol than i know what to do with
median ridge
grandpama
cold oriole
gotta respect that enby ❤
plucky oxide
Kinda wish there were portals that costed money that could spawn, that would take you to a shop.
atomic panther
I'd been using grandma and gramps interchangeably bc they sound nice but grandpama is fantastic
mighty ermine
it's not that i don't respect their identity! hey now
cold oriole
honestly props to SG for executing NB inclusion in such a flawless way
like haters cant even be mad about the primordial aspect of chaos not having a particular gender XD
golden pawn
Who needs gender when you're a primordial aspect of chaos, really
forest marsh
It's canonical in the mythology, so it's an easy win for sure
mighty ermine
yep, chaos is already set up this way!
cold oriole
aint even funny how much better SG is than literally any other studio out there
median ridge
also the achilles/patroclus subplot makes me soft ❤️
mighty ermine
it was really nice being able to tell my boyfriend about the achilles/patroclus situation
the little things, yknow
median ridge
i hope when the game is finished it will have a way to reunite them
cold oriole
i havent done enough interactions to open that up yet
whats the scoop with it?
My main priority for when the game is finished is them adding an option to smuggle Dusa out of Hell with us
median ridge
their story is probably a conversation better suited to the spoilers channel but, to sum up: they are Good
frosty grove
this is a
really bizarre build
ignoring the exposed thing
- Shield
- Sick Dash
- Improved Special Attack %
- Explode on Attack
At that point you can kinda just. not use your main at all
just throw your shield and dash a bit
and everyone blows up
bc the explosion damage is now higher than your main attack apparently????
and the sick dash just keeps chipping away making it faster anyways
spiral slate
I don't understand how people like the spear's charge attack
it takes a year to charge to do any damage in any aoe
and you could get the same effect by just hammering LMB
any situation I've found myself in where I would like an aoe attack, I get punished for trying to use it
forest marsh
Spin on spear isn't everyone's cup of tea, sure, but it's still quite effective if used properly. It's best used as spin-dash
mighty ermine
it's a good opener for spawns as well
forest marsh
It's also not as effective on high heat
forest marsh
I wouldn't say extremely, but situational, sure
signal viper
i personally haven't had a lot of success with it, but i haven't played much with the spear since i don't really enjoy using it
forest marsh
Lots of things are situational, doesn't mean they're bad
spiral slate
the spear feels like the weakest weapon
signal viper
but i'm sure much like with the shield the spin will prove its usefulness over more time using it
bull rush just gets better and better the more i use the shield
spiral slate
I mean, every other weapon has fairly regular times when you can use all of their kit
forest marsh
As long as the enemies aren't right on top of you, you can use spin in conjunction with dash
I will grant you that stationary spin is not great, though
It's also the only real crowd control for spear
spiral slate
in general spear just feels like a worse shield to me
atomic panther
Spear has a MUCH longer range than shield
spiral slate
the only thing you get is range
but you lose the bounce throw, the innate knockback
the invulnerable bull rush
atomic panther
You get, with the special, an innate backstab
forest marsh
If anything, shield is overtuned (not that I want it nerfed, but it has a lot going for it)
atomic panther
And more damage (30 each throw as opposed to 15 once)
mighty ermine
i'm inclined to agree, wight
spiral slate
shield has too much stuff going on, yeah
mighty ermine
it's incredibly consistent once you get the hang of rush-dash weaving
spiral slate
spear and sword don't have enough
sword feels like the beginner weapon that you never use once you unlock something else
atomic panther
Sword I feel makes up for it with insane hammer upgrades
spiral slate
yeah some of them are fun
but if you're like me
and only find hammer upgrades in shops in tartarus
and don't find one until halfway through asphodel
:v
I like that you get a second hammer in elysium
it opens up some fun synergies
forest marsh
I think bow is in a generally good place balance wise. It's powerful without being dominating by default. Sword is in probably the best place it's been since release, and is quite good too. Spear has had a lot of ups and downs with balance, I think it's moveset makes it difficult to get just right. Shield, as mentioned, has been highly polished but never really nerfed to adjust for the polish. AR is getting a lot better, but suffers in early stages
AR has some of the best hammer synergies, though
signal viper
is it possible to get the second hammer early via rerolls?
spiral slate
I got the shotgun and infinite ammo hammer upgrades in one run
forest marsh
No, Elysium only except some occasional bugs in Asphodel (re: hammers)
spiral slate
The bow is so much better than it used to be
god I remember bow in the launch build
"hey, waste your hammer upgrade to get piercing shots"
then everyone said "it should have that by default"
and sgg said "heck you're right"
and now bow is actually fun to use
especially on a crit build
hitting those sweet 400 damage crits
signal viper
i'm real bad at timing bow power shots tbh
forest marsh
400 is pretty low for bow
Power shots just take some practice and muscle memory
You get into a real good dash-power shot rhythm after a while
mighty ermine
dash chain practice will make it second nature after a while, yeah
signal viper
is the timing for the shield power shot the same as either of the bow ones or is it a little different?
cuz i sure can hit the shield ones ez
mighty ermine
it's a little later, and takes longer to get there
forest marsh
I think it's the same as the non-dash bow power shot
mighty ermine
unless you have it in conjunction with fast rush, of course
spiral slate
I think I found a bug with the bow tho
forest marsh
Oh?
spiral slate
has anyone else gotten both twin shot and uh... whatever the "bonus damage at long range" upgrade is called?
twin shot halves your range but I think equipping the other one gives your range back
forest marsh
Sniper Shot, I believe
spice turret
Distant memory?
spiral slate
yeah sniper shot
forest marsh
Distant Memory is the keepsake
spice turret
True, but what is a keepsake, if not an upgrade?
forest marsh
I'm not sure that's a bug. It could very well be intentional
mighty ermine
they meant hammer upgrade, as in during a run i believe
spiral slate
my last run, I got twin shot early on so I was used to the tiny range, but when I got sniper shot in elysium, it went back to regular range
forest marsh
Otherwise it wouldn't work for the range requirement
spiral slate
I mean
they could just make it be the max current range
so if you have twin shot it's the max half range
which imo wouuld make it more effective cause I find it easier to stay at that half range than max range
also it turns twin shot from "double damage, half range" to a flat double damage buff
forest marsh
I do a lot of close in work with the bow, but I don't like being forced to be close either, which is why I'm not a big fan of Twin Shot
Though I haven't played with it since they adjusted the range in the most recent patch
Double hammers are supposed to be exceptional when they synergize, so I don't think there's anything wrong with how it's working now
spice turret
I've always wanted to live the armor shredder turbo-charge shield dream...
Only problem was, I only got it on the 120 heat runs where I kept dying immediately after reaching Elysium
mighty ermine
eh, armor shredder is okay, but loses usefulness on bosses, and the dash upgrade is good for everything regardless of armor
spiral slate
god I hate the spear guys in elysium
why can't I have their spear
they've got the chad spear and I've got the virgin spear
theirs causes explosions
I want explosions
spice turret
I really hate them with Shield equipped, because they vault over you and ignore your block
quaint gale
a little hammer work will get you an explosion
mighty ermine
haha yeah, the spear lunge has gotten me a number of times during 120 runs, they're a pain sometimes
spice turret
It's true, though, that dash is always good, and armor shredder isn't, but I tend to have trouble finding enough attack buffs to cut through armor
spiral slate
I really don't like their moveset
they've got a really long poke, a lunge explosion
I have more trouble dodging them than anything else in the game
spice turret
BTW, what's the heat high score ATM for Elysium?
spice turret
Interesting.
Kinda wanna try for that 146... I got 120 earlier, and I'm interested to see if that was luck, or if I could push it.
forest marsh
Wingblade tried for 146 after Rynth posted his victory, but I don't think he was successful
spice turret
Fair
mighty ermine
i've gotten 120 down pretty reliably with aegis, might try for 146+ as well sometime
forest marsh
Looks like Proxy's asleep again
plucky oxide
Even bots need their rest
lost rose
proxy doesn't do the feedback, styxbot does 😂
forest marsh
Ah, yes, you're right. My bad
formal valve
I like the spear upgrade that makes your throw just an explosive spear projectile
fickle mantle
My favorite spear upgrade is the the special that bounces off foes dealing more damage with each rebound
Especially with Zeus boons
spice turret
Guys... I have 2X ignited Ichor? Zag's feet tap-tap-tapping along is killing me over here
lost rose
omg
mighty ermine
https://puu.sh/Dswyi/cf8669afb5.jpg aaahaha dang, so close! 147 heat
forest marsh
Don't have time to completely finish it, need to create the template for the Status Curse icon still, but aside from that the Mirror of Night page on the wiki should be up to date now
radiant grove
@mighty ermine I personally really recommend bow for high heat runs I actually wouldn't know anything because I dont use heat often
But give it a shot, you never know
mighty ermine
oh yeah, bow is great fun! i used bow for 120 back when hydra was the latest boss
i use shield a lot lately now, and have done some of the same heat clears at elysium
but now, drumroll
https://i.imgur.com/vaEBxDM.jpg 147 heat clear! new record, i think? (for now!)
proud storm
Jesus christ
pastel jolt
solution: dash
errant narwhal
@feral pumice irt your feedback, i thought rewards now float to you when theyre in unreachable places like in lava or outside the map?
mighty ermine
from my experience, they don't, if the last enemy was killed out on the lava
i'll have to dash out there and grab it quick before heading back
mighty ermine
or rather, if i'm in the lava while killing the last enemy
yeah, wherever zagreus is when the encounter is over i think
i haven't seen it ever be unreachable, but lava definitely
mighty swan
turbid needle
hmm is it just me or artimis boons for special attack and cast are kinda weak compared to the others?
manic ermine
They are numerically worse
lost rose
Crit chance makes up for it
proud storm
lots to unpack here https://i.imgur.com/nOUMdht.jpg
grand patrol
gee zag how come ur mom lets u have two weapons??
proud storm
theseus is using two spears
grand patrol
OH
green birch
A spear for Zag AND Theseus
grand patrol
hjfvhjfhj it looked like zag's oops
proud storm
it's ok theyre both identical kgfg
grand patrol
two spears to fight....call that chopsticks
green birch
I’d say not
proud storm
ok so like
i dont really know when exactly but at some point one of theseus' spears didnt come back to him so he threw a second one right
but when he tries to recall the second spear the first one comes back instead
and when he tries to recall the first one the second comes back
it's funny bc now i get stabbed bc there's two spears and when i'm out of the way of the first spear going back to him i get hit by the other fjdhgh
oh i really thought he was about to throw a third one for a hot moment
seven salt uncle boons https://i.imgur.com/9AXinzR.jpg
lost rose
yum
pearl willow
i've seen more than on spear on the field but i assume it just hadn't been de rendered after it returned to him, i didn't think that it was two actual spears
unkempt pagoda
salt uncle
calm sable
how do I 60 heat 
pearl willow
avoid whipped frenzy and ramp up to it imo.
pearl willow
i dislike stifling darkness, been trying 120 with uncapped darkness so far. seems like you give up a lot of value for a relatively low heat sink though ive only done a handful of attempts thus far
lost rose
i guess i generally don't find the mirror's extra benefits to be make or break
if i have dashes and death defies i'm good
everything else is icing
the new dual status effect boost could be pretty good tho and worth keeping some darkness for
atomic panther
Plus, now that the third dash is gone, that opens up more darkness to be invested elsewhere
errant narwhal
like chthonic vitality if you dont use grim inevitability
chrome viper
I honestly have to play a few runs to get used to having less damage/hp and stuff
errant narwhal
3 seems like a trivial number, but it adds up
spice turret
Yeah, my 120 run was with full convenience fee, pain tolerance, tenebrous veil, whipped frenzy, shared misery, and stifling darkness
I went 200 gold, hourglass, collar
Worked alright for me?
chrome viper
I thought people avoided using whipped frenzy? how hard is it to dodge stuff?
spice turret
See, I personally don't mind it too much? But then, I use the shield anyway, so I think that might affect things
upbeat junco
With legendary boons do you need at least 1 tier 2 boon before you can get the legendary?
or do you need all of them
lost rose
They have prereqs - i think they're listed on the wiki
atomic panther
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473685187780411405/578233202724962304/unknown.png?width=887&height=499
Worth the 3 keys, I'd say
spice turret
Whoof. Yeah, that's pretty good.
It's that sort of thing that makes Nyx's keepsake potentially worthwhile
upbeat junco
Yea I have the wiki open and I'm looking at the zeus one, and there are 3 tier 2 boons before getting the tier 3
I was just wondering if you needed all 3 tier 2 boons or if you only needed 1
Ok you only need 1 tier 2 boon before you can get legendary
obtuse tapir
I couldn't really dare to pick the first one
Maybe I should have since Zag died quickly after this anyway
chrome viper
F
obtuse tapir
So if I do pick the first one does Zag get 85% speed penalty?
He would have looked like a real sloth then
west wren
isnt it not multiplicative? or can i not do math
grand patrol
i have no idea....time to find out i guess
minor ice
Is there information on how Fated Authority rerolls right now? Every time I think I understand it, it betrays me.
pearl willow
As far as I know it's pretty much just a reroll within the 'tier' with some exceptions like no second hammer and I don't think you can roll into god duels. The one thing I'd like to test is if a Hammer is present at Charon if it's possible to re-roll the next room into a Hammer lol.
And I don't think you can hit the same thing twice in a row.
minor ice
My biggest issue is it feels like the gods have a cycle
like i can never roll into zeus on purpose some times
and ares turns into aphrodite a lot
??
I'm mostly just asking because I rerolled poseidon 6 times and ended up with a centaur heart, so now I'm salty.
pearl willow
I've not noticed that specifically but I do get the impression that runs may be weighted towards certain gods or the first few boons available to you are random and the gods you select become more likely to appear again. So hypothetically if Zeus isn't one of the ones with 'priority' in that run so to speak then it may just be particularly unlikely.
pastel jolt
@upbeat junco did you not see the word or listed between the boons
spice turret
Wait... Get so many speed debuffs... And with the percent scaling... Does Zag start to run backwards?
With sufficient speed 'debuffs' could you make Zag so 'slow' that he runs with negative 100%+ speed?
Could you go so slow you go incredibly fast...?
There is the thing where Bone hourglass sometimes affects light of Ixion, so it might even be possible.
minor ice
I would really like to see you do a full running in the 90's -100% speed so slow you're fast run
all your move controls are inverted, obviously
Anyway I've had a lot of trouble with bboons.
lately
Feels more strained, like I don't see as many ability boons
and then when I do dumb stuff like try and use fated authority I just end up losing bboons completely
whhich is a bummer
spice turret
Yeah, it's Wack
In my experience, boons with the skull are reliably boons on rerolls
Boons without are a tossup
But usually not
pearl willow
I almost never re-roll boons trying for another boon, I usually just re-roll gold/poms for a heart/boon.
And I think mini-boss rooms are always boons so you can re-roll them to boons every time.
spice turret
So, just had a perfect run of tartarus, minus a single spike trap in a battle with Meg. 27.5% bonus damage...
minor ice
Nice nice
My experience with boons reflects the idea that there are multiple pools?
Zeus/Poseidon/Dionysus and then Art/Aphro/Ares
Athena was always a bit weird, but this was also way more consistent before the elysium patch so
So like, you could roll zeus > Poseidon, but not Poseidon into Zeus
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Could just be random and I was making stuff up though
spice turret
I mean, I've noticed some stuff like that, yeah.
It seems like Artemis is associated with Athena...
But also Athena and Poseidon?
But not Artemis with Poseidon.
atomic panther
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473685187780411405/578265696589578260/unknown.png?width=887&height=499
Today seems intent to test my sanity (not pictured: an infernal gate with a pom reward)
pastel jolt
oh, i had that happen... i ended up taking the trial
spice turret
But like, in the 'good problem to have' kind of way
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/578266347104894996/unknown.png
Say hi to the camera, heat gate!
I think I'm going to take the hammer, honestly
spice turret
Fair
atomic panther
I'm going to be stacking health like crazy now that I have ocean's bounty, so I need to know soon what my build is going to center around
Ocean's Bounty and Premium Vintage
atomic panther
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Vindication
dreamy anvil
i have a question! does the shield do the weired autoattack before the rush also with controller? i play with keyboard and mouse
atomic panther
What do you mean by weird autoattack?
spice turret
That sounds like the dash attack
dreamy anvil
i cant rush and then rush again he always attack in the air between the rushes
spice turret
I think that's just because you click (attack) and then hold (Charge rush)
So, do you guys do Challenge Runs?
Like, not just heat, but, like, themed runs.
Because I've got one.
mighty ermine
I've tried to do a no daedalus run before but they kept being thrust upon me from single choice exits hahah
spice turret
Mmm.
This one is, a bit different.
Challenge Run Idea:
'Deathbound': Grim inevitability, 100%, Pierced Butterfly. Your health is considered capped at 50 unless you are out of fated authority to reroll centaur hearts. You must get fewer kills than Thanatos whenever you meet.
Score is determined at the end, and is equal to % damage gained from Butterfly+5Xdeath defiance remaining.
Current score... 50%, but that doesn't actually count, since I started with too much, and took a heart.
atomic panther
In the past 5 runs, I haven't gotten a special boon above base rarity in Tartarus. What is happening?
mighty ermine
thank you wight! 
i am honestly terrified to see what 200 would feel like
i'm avoiding tenebrous veil so hard, too...
proud storm
ha ha ha h a h
forest marsh
If it's any consolation, it's the same difficulty as old 180
forest marsh
I have found that 1 TB is ok most of the time, but 2 is awful
mighty ermine
definitely aegis; the rush-dash weaving playstyle is one of my favorites and is very good at high heat for doing damage and staying safe
spice turret
mighty ermine
i typically start with the athena keepsake to try and get deflect attack, and see if i can get deadly reversal later on
as for hammer upgrades, definitely the dash radius one, quick rush, and power shot rush if the other two aren't available
errant narwhal
oh i meant like, the pact setup
mighty ermine
oh whoops, sorry
errant narwhal
how good is pulverizing blow for it?
spice turret
Pulverizing blow is one of my least favorite shield options, personally.
mighty ermine
https://i.imgur.com/35s6vpU.jpg here's the pact i've used for 120
spice turret
I got it on my last run, but only because I had a Poseidon Attack to offset the downside.
mighty ermine
oh nice, yeah i typically ignore pulverizing as well
mighty ermine
of course!
forest marsh
We need like... a repository of people's succesful 120+ pacts and builds
spice turret
Mmm.
My heat looked like...
Which is weird, because I thought for sure tenebrous veil and stifling darkness couldn't possibly be usable.
mighty ermine
i'm definitely still super averse to veil, but stifling darkness isn't so bad by comparison for me
spice turret
Mmm. For me, it was all about A. Can I heal. B. Can I heal faster than they kill me.
Went Coin purse, Hourglass, Collar, and was too beefy to die by the end.
mighty ermine
leaving vicious torment at none is really interesting though, i'll definitely try that sometime!
spice turret
Right?
Like, It's remarkable how much easier it felt once I couldn't be 3-shot.
Meant that a heart actually did something for me.
Effectively, it turned my 100 health into, like, 600, compared to where I'd been.
mighty ermine
totally, i wanna wallop on exalted spears when their horrible lunge leap can't just one or two shot me
spice turret
God yes, those spearmen can exit Elysium, and go straight to Tartarus.
Except then I'd have to fight them there...🤔
peak cape
i have a mental idea right what if they made a god or a like dwarf someone who could combine 2 weapons together and then itd like open the options up like insanely could you imagine the spear shield or the gun bow thing
like a gun that shoots bombs in a scattered area
spice turret
Hepahaestus?