Artemis Attack -> Hunter Mark -> We good to go
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
not even kidding LUL
just pair up with another Status effect and you're good to go to beat game
hard holly
The only overall weapon Id say is a bit on the weak side is Rail, tbh
And even that one is good with specific hammer upgrades
turbid needle
I find spear to be weakest one right one
hard holly
Same for Spear I guess, you need Quick Spin or Flurry Jab to be good
But if you get either, youre set
Maybe? Idk, Quick Spin is still nasty
turbid needle
for me the biggest problem is that certain gods don't provide that much anymore
because big modifier for power are status curses
and boiling blood + privileged status feels much stronger than most of the pure attack boons usage
- privileged status scales effects
like Ares and Dio
not sure about Zeus, his effects were always gimmicky as all hell
hard holly
Eh
Boiling Blood is basically free
And Priviledged status is also additive
So Athena, Artemis and Poseidon are still great
And Zeus on fast-attacking weapons
static skiff
How much death defience is too much death defience?
I've just had a run with 7 death defiances and it was hilarious.
The upgrade for the shield that makes you dash attack in an area around you + Ares' doom on basic boon is really good. Not OP, but really good.
hard holly
There cant be too much
And I prefer that one with regular attack boons
With Artemis's dash, it makes charge into dash double tap quite deadly
static skiff
The one that makes your basics hit twice but no longer knock back?
hard holly
Nah, the dash attack in an area one
Dash Double tap refers to the fact that the dash attack has no backswing usually
So you attack twice rapidly after dashing
static skiff
I dunno mayn, the dash attack in an area + Ares' doom + dionysus' "splash the area around you in juice at the start and end of a dash" boons turned me into the ultimate beyblade.
boreal estuary
Hello!
Does anyone find the bow is good?
It feels like a weakest weapon for me.
pastel jolt
bow is love bow is life
errant narwhal
artemis is good for the bow
pseudo crow
bow is really good
errant narwhal
maybe it just isnt for you then
it works with a certain playstyle, but if you cant get used to it then you cant get used to it
obtuse tapir
Argh
A room full of archers feels more difficult than the hydra
each archer forces me to keep running around
which means I really don't have enough time to finish one off
pseudo crow
her crits are good w bow + sniper and rapid fire hammer upgrade, but it really depends on your preference
obtuse tapir
Archers in Elysium have to be toned down in some way. I was doing a 120 heat run and Literally lost to a room with only Archers spawns (+50 enemy HP, +50% more foes, +50% faster foes, +500% damage) that literally DESTROYS you since they are like machineguns that take minutes to take down as they run around the map and snipe you from all possible sides. The problem is that their attack is close to impossible to block or deflect, since it flies super fast from offscreen, leaving you with close to zero time to react to it properly. I dont think it's normal a room filled with 10 enemies to be harder than an actual boss fight,and those guys took 3 DD's and 270HP like it was nothing. I know the game was never balanced towards high heat runs and mostly balanced around 0-85 heat, but I do believe that Rangers are way too overtuned at high heat levels, to a point where its unbearable.
I can't really agree more with this (this is a feedback in the feedback channel)
Even without whipped frenzy they're really frustrating
livid tundra
when you get spread fire on the rail gun and you also have the chain lightning attack boon, Does each bullet create it's own chain lightning?
ok just tested it out, answer is no.
lyric folio
No, but it does add multiple dino stacks
hard holly
Bow is not just good
Its ludicrously overpowered
You can easily hit 1k crits
Slap a tripleshot on that, and you can do up do 3k damage every second or so
As for builds, Athena or Artemis attack (Artemis is better but less reliable), Artemis Dash, Chaos boons that increase attack or dash attacks, perfect shot, triple shot or sniper shot as far as hammers are concerned
And then you just keep dash attacking with powershots
median ridge
one thing i had to find out with the bow that significantly improved my work with it was that the dash attack charges to a power shot significantly faster than a regular shot
hard holly
Yup
median ridge
never walk anywhere just dash
hard holly
You want to get into a certain rhythm
Of dash, attack, dash, attack
Sometimes weaving in a second dash to dodge things
median ridge
i tend to mostly use the special defensively if there are projectiles that need breaking
hard holly
Yup
You either go all-in on it
Or just slap whatever utility you want on it and use it to apply that and break projectiles
Personally Ive been rather fond of putting deflect on it
median ridge
deflect on special is great because then it can deal with the projectiles that can’t normally be broken
like waves and gorgon rocks
hard holly
Yup
Also sometimes you get a lout killing itself by dashing through it
Which is great fun
indigo compass
nice im having a 41 % pierced butterfly with bow, managed somehow to perfect clear 4 rooms in elysium 😃 even the minotaur.
somber epoch
blood and darkness*
mighty ermine
not like i could have known it would go so well, but, kinda kicking myself for not turning up the heat more as this build was just stupidly goofy https://i.imgur.com/QqWv0mB.jpg
power shot rush and quick rush, with athena base? okay
elfin pulsar
noice
twilit niche
Does bow have a Dash Attack?
I just got offered the Artemis boon with it
I dont think it does
elfin pulsar
it has the best one actually
worn fulcrum
It does - just attack immediately after / while dashing
elfin pulsar
charges significantly faster than a normal shot
elfin pulsar
watching people do 120 runs with the bow they dont even use the normal attack, just constant dash>shoot
proud storm
now to go for rail run under 20 minutes 😔 https://i.imgur.com/HtTRCmm.jpg
unkempt pagoda
dash-attack cycle for bow is amazing with the power shot hammer
indigo compass
perfect shot with hunter dash is pretty sick 😃
pastel jolt
i managed to get like three poms in a row so i'm feeling pretty good about this run
indigo compass
i dont like twin shot tbh, triple shot is way better:p
the range of twin shot is just too short
pastel jolt
twin shot
hard holly
Is it?
Ive never had it
Because every time it came up Triple Shot was the other option
So I was wondering if its actually good or not
pastel jolt
that's the full range on twin shot
pastel jolt
also i'm thinking i'll take spearpoint into elysium with me this time instead of the earring
extra damage is nice but clearly i'm doing something wrong since i feel like the only person who hasn't cleared theseus and asterius yet
hard holly
My idea was
pastel jolt
let's see how this goes
hard holly
If it does little damage
You could avoid bigger hits by intentionally getting hit by it
pastel jolt
right, let's go
hard holly
Is that Clean Kill or Hidebreaker?
pastel jolt
hidebreaker
median ridge
artemis’s marked status is so good
woeful stirrup
Just beat them too. I hate Theseus. Coward hiding behind his shield.
woeful stirrup
... you've cleared the game over 300 times and never even tried unveiling Skelly's surprises?
turbid needle
I didn't try to do the heat runs on this patch
I unveiled 60 heat...
120 heat seems quite annoying to deal with
median ridge
yeah the records for best heat got reset after elysium
woeful stirrup
Oh, it reset that counter? Didn't notice.
turbid needle
that and best times
my 8:51 with busted stygian blade zeus dash
it's gone lol
that being said, I would love to have clear records option
because even minor buff/nerf patches do difference
hard holly
24 minutes time is good too
median ridge
yeah that's faster than i've managed to beat it since the patch
pastel jolt
i mean tbh what really saved my bacon in that fight was having aphrodite's different league stacked on top of dionysus's positive outlook
median ridge
to defeat the beef, you must become the beef
turbid needle
https://i.imgur.com/sx6AtT2g.png
I got such fortunate boons that I felt bad about only playing on 30 heat. I started off with an Epic hunter's dash, and then got Rare divine strike immediately.
And deadly reversal even before the Megagorgon ..
That boon honestly feels broken to me
pastel jolt
it used to be even more broken, so
turbid needle
They even gave me an Epic premium vintage early on
Which is one of my favorite boons in the game
loud sand
Does anyone else find the new bullseye ranged attacks in elysium exceptionally annoying
turbid needle
only everybody
I play with Bow, so I don't have too many issues with those. It's the spear dudes that piss me off a little
And I'm still bad at avoiding Thesus' spear/javelin thing
loud sand
yeah, it's mainly the one with Theseus that I'm finding obnoxious. It doesn't feel accurately telegraphed
turbid needle
I just had an insanly broken run, had the adamant shield upgrade that explodes on return, and dyonisous poisen dmg on special. The explosion combined with poisen made them tick for like 300 per stack. Never had a faster run to be honest. Last boss died in seconds
XD
Do explosions get past his block?
some do not all
Ah
errant narwhal
gratz sparrow!!!!
turbid needle
Pulverizing Blow + Artemis Attack + Hunter Mark + Clean Kill though LUL
errant narwhal
gray eyed vigilance is really good i find
pastel jolt
yessss
it's my favourite wrath
it really is just a "i do not like this situation, lemme pop this and not have to deal with it for the next few seconds" tool
i think that's also what i like about poseidon and ares' wraths
turbid needle
I also kinda like Aphrodite seeing that it actually works for that fight
and it's probably fastest charging wrath in the entire game
as you can start charging it after popping it off
hard holly
Generally Explosions interact with his block as any other attack does
If the epicenter is behind his block line, they hit
If not, they dont
median ridge
huh.....started a sword run and now i have a weird input lag that hasn't gone away even after quitting the game and restarting my computer......i hope that goes away soon
turbid needle
hmm
reconnect device ?
mouse or controller
depending on what has those weird input lags
maybe if u have controller that is wireless... check batteries ?
median ridge
i'm on keyboard and mouse....i'll try and figure out what's going on here
proud storm
supreme victory https://i.imgur.com/HagzzA1.jpg
night quartz
Dont know where to post that (cant in feedback) but while fighting Asterius and Theseus, good run and Theseus went down quite nicely... but about 1/4 of Asterius HP he sumped on me and kept flying once in a while sending waves my way while still flying.. and on constant movement so if i have stopped i have immediately had one in my face... lost that one
pastel jolt
check the pinned posts to be able to post in feedback
@mint topaz No, Ares doesn't offer homing rifts as a boon any more. You might be thinking of Engulfing Vortex, which pulls foes in, but does not home towards them as Hunting Blades does.
mint topaz
got them mixed up yeah my bad 
still the 0.3 feels bad
mighty ermine
guys... i'm so sad... i almost got 120 elysium 
https://youtu.be/lUm-oPjknQI
elfin pulsar
damn very nice
has anybody in here beaten 120 yet? dont think i've seen anybody show it
swift sable
potentially stupid question, but is there some parameters that have to be met before a legendary perk shows up or are they just so rare that ive only seen them once
mighty ermine
there are boon requirements you must meet first!
unkempt pagoda
you have to get some boons first
for example, artemis's legendary required you have clean kill or pressure points (iirc)
the requirements are on the hades wiki
proud storm
oh oof the 120 damage
mighty ermine
truly poetic way to lose a 120 run
swift sable
gotcha
true dock
I just got slapped by Asterius at the end of a 120 run too. =/ The charge feels a lot more scary when you dash through him, he barely doesn't hit the wall, turns on a dime, and rams you for your entire health bar
covert grove
@proud storm You got a lot of good times there, you should record some speedruns for the leaderboard
eternal stag
got to the final boss in elysium for the second time! still didn't beat them
i do love those two dorks though
elfin pulsar
his charge is gross now, especially if ur trying to play melee
pearl willow
man i nearly made my way through elysium with an artemis rail run that was miraculously pretty decent (though never got crit damage of course) until i got absolutely demolished by a room full of like 10 armored up archers followed by another wave of armored archers and shieldbearers
elfin pulsar
armored archer rooms are legit the hardest thing in the game
eternal stag
armored exalted are so hard
i wish there were.............fewer respawns in rooms with exalted
eternal stag
with how strong they all are it just feels a little excessive
turbid needle
I wish they didn't respawn that fast, wish they had like Transistor respawn time.
pastel jolt
what doesn't help is that if you mess up the respawning on a room of exalted, it can feel like multiple waves even if it's not
woeful stirrup
Armored archers are fine.
turbid needle
Yeeep, and sometimes it does feel like it never ends because some enemies may die outside the screen and just respawn with full life.
woeful stirrup
It's the shield dudes I hate.
turbid needle
The update it's the best one yet but it's really unbalanced I feel.
pastel jolt
yeah, there's restrictions
to answer your question, heavy slug will stop flurry fire, spread fire, or infinity chamber from appearing
heavy slug's entire drawback is that it drops your chamber size to 1
pairing it with one of those three would be broken
drifting hemlock
Possibly stupid question but does any percentage damage farmed up via Pierced Butterfly go away if you change keepsake?
pastel jolt
yes
drifting hemlock
How far up does the last thing on the mirror go? Fated authority i believe its called. The one that alters outcomes.
drifting hemlock
Lord have mercy, 50.000....
pearl willow
With as much health/gold/death defiance as you can accumulate now Athena's "Last Stand" starts providing a ridiculous amount of HP overall, it's such a huge safety net.
drifting hemlock
Defense is a great defense, but offense is the best defence - Ares, Probably
pastel jolt
it's a darkness sink for everyone who complained about having too much darkness ;P
drifting hemlock
Makes sense
Im sad I didn't get the 120 statue prior to the update, doing a 120 heat run with the new bosses seems toooooooough
Wait that gave me a good idea for the game but not sure if its a feedback thing
hollow reef
Does anyone know how the # of encounters works? Ex. Will taking mini-boss doors shorten the length of an area?
unkempt pagoda
each area has a set number of chambers, so it'll always be the same length-ish
i think chaos gates don't count as a chamber (but i think infernal gates do?)
drifting hemlock
Always 40 rooms to the end as of now i believe.
At least its been that for me so far
drifting hemlock
True, but in earlier stages of the game it wasn't a set amount.
woeful stirrup
Theseus seems to be on room 39 though.
drifting hemlock
Might still be
Yeah i think the game counts once you leave a room, meaning that leaving Thesues makes you reach room 40
unkempt pagoda
(though i know before the new update, you could artificially raise your farthest chamber reached by using chaos gates and infernal gates)
(i'm not sure if they fixed that)
woeful stirrup
It shouldn't do that, imo. In my latest run, I met Patroclus a few rooms before the final fight. Picked something moderately useful instead of a 50% attack boost because I thought the boost would have ended one room before the boss fight.
drifting hemlock
Anyone feeling pierced butterfly isn't as strong as it could be? Even though i can consistently get to hydra without taking dmg I feel like tailoring my build through god boons is "strictly" better. Also it's a pretty huge risk for not so much of a reward
worn fulcrum
It's a massive reward if you get to Hydra damageless
exotic schooner
In theory, you get good value out of being able to buff all kinds of damage that might be hard otherwise. There's probably some good blade rift build, for instance.
turbid needle
when you enjoy every single part of your stupid RNG lol, https://i.imgur.com/3nhNsde.png
now that I think of it...
Invigorating would be fun with ability to deal 1,6k crits
Is fated authority always changing chamber rewards to a resource (darkness, keys, heat), or can the result also be a boon, pom, etc.?
pastel jolt
depends on what you're rerolling
unkempt pagoda
blue laurels are resources, gold laurels are run-specific things like hearts, boons, etc
turbid needle
Good to know, thx
hard holly
Resources that only affect the current run can be rerolled into each other, and resources that persist past runs can be rerolled into each other
That's the best way I found of explaining it
unkempt pagoda
i believe that the gods are also divided up into two sets, and you can't roll into the other set
zeus-poseidon-dio are one set, and when you roll dio you go back into zeus
hard holly
Uh
I don't think it's impossible but I'm pretty sure I rerolled zeus into Athena before
unkempt pagoda
i'm kinda iffy on which set athena went into
turbid needle
Athena Artemis Aphrodite?
unkempt pagoda
cause i know ares-artemis-aphro were one, and pos-zeus-dio was the other
unkempt pagoda
no, i think they're the same sets, probably coded in that way
i've reliably predicted getting an artemis boon when i rerolled an ares boon multiple times
hollow reef
wait lol does twin shot gimp distant memory?
kind fiber
Probably? Otherwise it would have some sort of code determining what is a "distant opponent" based on how far away each weapon can damage enemies from
kind fiber
Theoretically it could be based on enemies being further than a certain % of your attack's range
hollow reef
I have 0 charge time, no powershot: not sure if twinshot or triple would be better
kind fiber
Well, twin shot would probably be better if you are going with a dash build
Twin shot seems like it would be better for elysium
due to the lower enemy density
Although, I don't know if I think triple shot is good in the first place, probably biased
hard holly
Triple shot is both higher damage potential and more versatility
I'd probably pick it
hollow reef
I have a backstab/critical on dash hit thing going ... could try to shot gun with triple shot
kind fiber
It would be far easier to shotgun with twin shot
mental idol
Can Strongbows quit hitting me from two screens away thanks
cold cave
how long does the sick debuff last? 🤔
kind fiber
not 100% sure, I think about 5 seconds
cold cave
ok thanks
limpid ember
Anyone know how exactly jolted works? I'm running zeus build with the rail but too many numbers to keep track of. Not sure when it triggers
forest marsh
It procs on enemy attacks
limpid ember
Oh, okay. Here I was thinking it might proc on my next attack that hits them
Does it damage theirself, or just enemies around them?
forest marsh
That I'm not sure of
I mean, it definitely damages the Jolted enemy
But I don't know if there's any splash damage
pearl willow
well my damage is nothing to write home about but i've got 600 hp, five deaths defiance and Last Stand for Theseus/Minotaur lol
pearl willow
yeah, 50% bonus to hearts from poseidon and two ambrosias from dio. and a TON of hearts and almost no shops showed up so i wasnt taking gold very often.
turbid needle
Did you take the doggy collar?
wicked parrot
Has anyone found a build stronger than crit power shot dash bow?
wicked parrot
I was trying that last night, so hard to get the slug from hammer though 😦
I've had over 1.5k a shot from a bow build before
dusky quartz
Crit bow... but with rapid shot and double shot also :p
wicked parrot
Double shot gives you more DPS but I feel like the range is more useful to me
rapid shot is a lot less dps though, with the hammer buff you get 80 base damage on your charge shot
dusky quartz
That the fastest I've seen life melt. I think I had the debuff bonus too.
forest marsh
I can't deal with Twin Shot, it just cripples the bow's versatility too much for my playstyle
wicked parrot
yeah same
forest marsh
I love Triple Shot, though
Can still point-blank for massive damage, but you don't sacrifice range
dusky quartz
Well... I'm actually doing better right now. 300 dmg per Dio's tick.
But I don't think it's normal 
wicked parrot
by Dio you mean the sick debuff?
dusky quartz
It obviously a bug
forest marsh
Ha ha yeah, no way that's not a bug
wicked parrot
Yeah I was about to say haha, where did that come from
dusky quartz
I actually don't have time to do more damage
forest marsh
Well, I shouldn't say no way. It's feasible with the right combination of base damage, extra stacks, and crit on all damage
But very unlikely
wicked parrot
Only thing I've found to compete with bow is a cast build but it's still not as good
if you get Artemis debuff you can get solid dps
forest marsh
You can get some significant damage with World Splitter + crit
dusky quartz
I ve got good results with just an aphrodite cast build.
forest marsh
Likewise with Heavy Slug + crit
dusky quartz
With bonus cast and a way to put debuff.
But then that is just because of the boon rarity.
wicked parrot
I feel like any good build revolves around artemis right now, hope they give other gods more DPS potential next patch
forest marsh
I think it's going to take some time to rebalance everything after the additive damage change
wicked parrot
When did they do that? I only started playing a week ago and I'm still trying to figure out which damage buffs are additive vs multiplicative
forest marsh
The change to additive only (except crit) was made with the last major update, on May 7th
dusky quartz
That's good. It's kinda sad when you sometimes expect to do 4times your usual damage in a crit but it was actually only the double.
dusky quartz
But there is (were?) a Critical damage boon
forest marsh
Or in the game's terms "at least triple" whatever that means.
Yes, there is Clean Kill which boosts crit damage
There's also Hide Breaker which only boosts crit vs armour
wicked parrot
Ok I see what you mean wight, just reread the patch notes
I think they're going to have to rework artemis in the long run
having a DPS boon is just too good to pass up
forest marsh
You really do need to build for DPS when it comes to Elysium
The enemies all have so much health
wicked parrot
exactly, melee gets ruined there too
the dash on the bow gives you base 40 why would anyone trade that range and piercing shots for base 30 on a sword dash that only goes in one direction
dusky quartz
There is this vicious skewer-like hammer upgrade for the sword which is still very powerful
It's always a matter of critical it seems though 
wicked parrot
nothing can compete with crit
forest marsh
When everything else is additive, multiplicative is the winner
wicked parrot
Is damage reduction additive too?
wicked parrot
well not in that case then haha
limpid ember
Is it possible to get 100% dmg reduction then?
wicked parrot
if it's additive it must be right?
limpid ember
That...would be pretty odd
regal nexus
I'd only be a necessary possibility if there are actually enough sources to hit 100%
With the pom nerf, I don't think that's the case. Maybe before the nerf though.
limpid ember
There's probably enough
Especially with the trinket that reduces dmg from the front
regal nexus
Oh right, completely forgot about that 😮
wicked parrot
yeah there's enough for sure
festive fog buff + athena + aphrodite + dionysus again
forest marsh
You can get pretty close in the right conditions. Damage reduction in Festive Fog + Athena damage reduction + Dio damage reduction + Aphro damage reduction, throw in Myrmidon Bracer...
forest marsh
Athena Epic isn't that high anymore, is it?
wicked parrot
30% bronze skin, 37.5% festive fog, 20% positive outlook
regal nexus
Very curious to see what happens if someone manages it then, or even comes close
wicked parrot
Those numbers are from the wiki I think they're out of date
forest marsh
I thought it was like 12% or something... might have to check, though, I could be wrong
regal nexus
There might be a softcap
wicked parrot
probably a softcap yeah
limpid ember
Pretty sure I got 20% from athenas epic boon recently
regal nexus
Did you have yarn?
limpid ember
might have been aphrodite though
limpid ember
entirely possible, I don't keep track of yarn
wicked parrot
so it wouldn't be additive to your damage resistance
regal nexus
Also wait, infernal gates aren't preseeded anymore
Weren't they before the beefy update?
I'm fairly certain I had a well seeded veil run before that used an infernal gate, at least
wicked parrot
How do you go about seeding runs anyway?
forest marsh
I'm pretty sure Epic Athena is in the 12% range now
Every run is seeded (sort of) currently
regal nexus
If you have a good run setup with veil, pressing give up keeps the seed
wicked parrot
how do you replicate a run though is what I mean
do you have to use external tools?
regal nexus
Seeds only maintain up until you hit a chaos gate (or apparently an infernal gate too now), and will maintain boon setups throughout different god trinkets
No external features necessary
forest marsh
As Rynth says, when you 'Give Up' you return to the start of that seed
regal nexus
So if your starting room is an athena boon with attack selected through veil, swapping to artemis trinket after giving up will keep an artermis attack starting room
forest marsh
The only way to get a completely new seed is to die
Or mod your game, as the speedrunners do
wicked parrot
Ok I see, I noticed that the give up option disappeared eventually
so that's when I find a chaos gate?
forest marsh
Give Up appears after you take damage in a room
regal nexus
Give up only appears immediately after being hit or starting a run
forest marsh
Otherwise it is Quit
wicked parrot
so you have to get hit that's all?
regal nexus
Yeah, to be able to give up at least
Side note - do you know what the highest heat anyone's managed on the latest patch is by any chance, wight?
wicked parrot
pretty easy to get over 100 with bow
not motivated to try anything with less boons and giving up the epic boon chance from mirror
regal nexus
I'm mostly curious if anyone's somehow managed a 200 run or even a 160, whipped and veil feel brutal on the latest patch
forest marsh
I haven't heard of anyone doing more than 120 yet
regal nexus
Ah, thanks for the info
forest marsh
I've heard of at least one person doing 120, but I haven't seen any video myself
wicked parrot
Can you only check your stats at the win screen?
forest marsh
I should note that 200 now is the same as 180 previously, they just rescaled the Heat values
Aside from escape attempts, yes, you can only see stats on the win screen
wicked parrot
Ok thanks, would be nice to have a temp feature though
Is there any info on the epic boon chance given by trinkets/chaos/mirror? I wonder if there's a flat chance for epic compared to rare
regal nexus
I think the mirror boon chance is an additive value
so 25% epic boon chance doesn't mean you find them 25% more often, it just replaces a quarter of god boons with epic
wicked parrot
Oh I forgot mirror gave you different values for epic and rare
I understand that but when you use a trinket or chaos buff, it says "X% chance to be rare or better"
forest marsh
I would clarify that it says "+X%"
wicked parrot
I'm sure the wording is very different from what I wrote but yeah you're right
turbid needle
Are there specific conditions (other than "have 1 boon of each of the two gods") for Duo boons to become available? Like boon amount/level, etc.?
forest marsh
They have to be specific boons from the gods in question
The prerequisites are listed on the wiki, if you're interested
Just go to the god's page to see
link is in the pinned messages
The level and amount don't matter, though
turbid needle
Thanks for the info.
Can't access the wiki from where I am right now though. Domain is blacklisted for distributing malicious ads :/
forest marsh
Huh, that's weird
Don't get any issues with my AV software, and it's generally quite good about that sort of thing
wicked parrot
Have the devs said anything about the locked heart bars?
forest marsh
Yeah, we've just been operating under the assumption that the locked hearts are because they haven't implemented that content yet
Some of it might be end-game related, which will be the last thing to go in before (or at) full release
wicked parrot
That makes sense
I thought it was cute we started with more hearts on cerberus though
forest marsh
Our doggo loves us 
wicked parrot
Also wondering why that trader in the lounge is low-key selling ambrosia bottles
turbid needle
@forest marsh skimming through the list it seems other free wiki providers are also baclklisted for the same reason. Doesn't mean those websites are dangerous now, just that in the past 2 years there was a problem. Malicious ads have been a problem for quite a couple of years now (which is why I agree with people saying that "ad-blockers are digital self-defense"), and platforms like wikia are plastered with ads all over, so it's more likely some bad stuff might be delivered to them through their ad networks.
forest marsh
Fair enough
wicked parrot
Is there any reward for maxing out heat apart from the bonus darkness?
regal nexus
Nope, 120 is the highest statue reward
Maxing out heat is rather miserable though, whipped and veil are both a pain
forest marsh
Currently, anyway. Though I'd be surprised if they added any higher than that. 120 is already a high bar, especially as the game gets longer
wicked parrot
What are the statues?
regal nexus
I can post a picture in spoilers, one sec
turbid needle
I finally made my 60 Heat Hydra kill a while before the Beefy update. That was such a pain, and some really really lucky boon combinations. No idea how people manage 120, but mad respect to them.
wicked parrot
I've definitely cleared hydra on at least 100, I didn't notice they were there if I got them
@turbid needle before beefy patch you could get this broken spear crit build using one of the hammer buffs
lost rose
I am...almost home after a weekend of hiking
Might stream some Hades, my legs hurt and I dont wanna do anything fgdgkg
forest marsh
I support this endeavor
regal nexus
Okay, I have the supreme meme dream run going
145 heat for +290% darkness, +126% darkness chaos boon, and +250% darkness chaos boon
Darkness boons are also multiplicative
forest marsh
and Darkness, Rynth, that's a lot
wicked parrot
now you just need poseidon
regal nexus
Yeah, poseidon and an elite darkness room
I also have a complete garbage build since I threw everything at trying to get that second darkness buff, so gotta survive that far lol
wicked parrot
good luck hahaha
forest marsh
What's your highest Heat run in the new patch, anyway?
regal nexus
Oh, only did 120 so far
I tried jumping straight into 160 since it's like 145 but with extra rng, but moving down to 145 since that was a bit miserable to roll over and over with the extended run duration
formal valve
what's the best weapon to learn the game with?
I've unlocked them all and little else
forest marsh
That's a hard ask, honestly. Your own playstyle should determine what weapon is easiest for you
regal nexus
Sword/spear/bow are all about the same to learn, while shield/gun require more of a knowledge of what all the boons are to make the most of
wicked parrot
if you want highest dps just go bow lol
forest marsh
There are currently 5 out of a planned 6 weapons
lost rose
ah right............patch
have to wait for patch to download gkjfdg
thanks for the rip's, gamers
formal valve
who did you give the first ambrosia to?
lost rose
hoo
formal valve
like the first one you got
forest marsh
Cerberus, I think
lost rose
achilles i think
forest marsh
It's been a while
formal valve
cerberus too
lost rose
i hear logan's voice and i just, you know, give the gift,
yeah
hoo there we go
at wight's insistence i will change my stream title.
forest marsh
I just want you to believe in yourself, ven
I approve of the new title, not that you require my approval
runs, right?
lost rose
nay....not heat for me yet
tough echo
Is it me, or does playing with more heat gives better chance with boons that I want?
errant narwhal
rng is being kind to u haha
lost rose
pour one out for chaos, deity of rng
pseudo tapir
ah okay
hardy relic
Anyone else feeling like it became harder to dash offset a combo? With the new dash timing feels very tight (tested with the sword).
woeful stirrup
I'm gonna be honest, I know lots of people disliked how the dash used to feel, but I really liked it and dislike the new dash.
The fact that there's only two of them now doesn't help; as I tend to try dashing an additional time 
proud storm
aggressively t-poses https://streamable.com/volf1
pastel jolt
really, a sword special run is just zagreus t-posing to assert dominance over the entire underworld
woeful stirrup
With several green heads during the last phase, this was really, really awful.
Especially since I can't get a good attack boon 
woeful stirrup
Alright, game, when I pick the Heavy Slug in the very first room, I'd like to see something other than Dionysus and Zeus. You know, so I actually have a chance against the final boss?
turbid needle
That is incredibly fun to use
proud storm
zag charming theseus and asterius: now kiss
turbid needle
It's so cool to see do a 180 degree spin on his rush and go after Theseus
Or just jump him with the axe mid combo
Also Theseus and shield guys are a lot easier with Doom, I got the Doom Legendary (renew on blade spin) and Ares Wrath. I would hit him once to get doom and Wrath around him, and doom would keep hitting him, not great damage wise but reliable.
pastel jolt
bad proxy, taking a nap on the job
west wren
omg
i won for the first time with adamant rail
after 4 death defiances and 10hp remaining
i did it
grand patrol
nice!!!!
turbid needle
Especially since I can't get a good attack boon
That's a mood
west wren
im always more of a special boon guy
woeful stirrup
Well, no matter what kind of guy you are, if you get a hammer in the first room with only attack choices, you do tend to focus on attack.
proud storm
thats saying you can find attack boons in the course of your run 
pearl willow
Weird, I just noticed Athena's dash can backstab. Been a while since any of the dashes have done that iirc.
median ridge
it can also crit which surprised me
proud storm
everything can crit if you're cool enough
ocean halo
median ridge
deadly reversal with athena dash is crazy
pearl willow
About to fight the fury at the end of Tartarus and I have five boons - every one of them is Athena and I haven't even seen another one offered yet lol.
woeful stirrup
That's what happened to me, Falafel. Ended up getting a common Poseidon attack in Elysium because it was better than nothing. Was not enough though. I always get killed by that coward Theseus.
median ridge
i really want to try for athena’s legendary and also have the broken spear point
can’t touch this
i’ve found that the spear point is so valuable in elysium for avoiding the massive damage from the shield elysians or the witches
hard holly
I believe outside of radial damage, everything can backstab
pearl willow
zeus rail no likey rooms full of armored exalted
god that was ugly but i did kill theseus eventually lol
pastel jolt
okay, so based on how elysium went i don't think this build is going to work, but whatever
hard holly
Yeah Explosive Toss is kinda bad
proud storm
your foolish attempt got you nowhere
pastel jolt
none of my foolish attempts get me anywhere
forest marsh
Updated AR wiki page
dusky drum
is it just me or does the hydra take an absurd amount of time to exit the invulnerable state
it takes like 5-10 sec
he just sits there
forest marsh
Depends where the Hydra is in an animation cycle
forest marsh
It can be fast if it coincides with the end of a cycle, or really long if it's the start
dusky drum
ok
woeful stirrup
Beat Elysium for the second time 
World Splitter plus Empowering Nova, Athena's wrath and plenty of Artemis boons.
Beat the Minotaur quite easily, and then, since I had enough of Theseus's bullcrap, I just let him hit me enough to activate my wrath, and then put a cast in him, specialed, and just spammed my attack until he died (did over 1000 damage per crit and nearly every hit was a crit).
dusky drum
ha
thats why its kinda bad to go for poms when you have lots of boons or your main ones are lvl 3
because that can happen
pastel jolt
isn't it f11?
turbid needle
I'll try.
forest marsh
Yeah, F11 is screenshot
F10 does take a screenshot, but as you say, it's lower quality
pastel jolt
i use a controller so i bound it to the back button lmao
yeah f10 is for bug reporting, not screenshots
forest marsh
Ha ha same Sparrow
turbid needle
Aw yeah, right. F11 it was.
pastel jolt
also: bow and sword have been updated on the wiki
pastel jolt
i still have no idea what that emoji is but i accept it
it seems to come up a lot when i mention the wiki
turbid needle
Better quality: https://i.imgur.com/8XGNjfX.jpg
forest marsh
It's a bit of an inside joke from the Twitch channel it's from... Generally we use it as an equivalent to a praise/celebration reaction
pastel jolt
ahhh
dusky drum
whats a good sword build??
pastel jolt
flurry blade and ares attack was rather silly the last time i tried it
forest marsh
Deflect on special is fun
pastel jolt
athena special works nicely on sword too, particularly if you get a good hammer
hat
the sword's probably one of the more forgiving weapons so far as build flexibility goes
about the only solid advice i have for sword builds is to avoid aphrodite's cast
dusky drum
why
pastel jolt
because it's a short-range shotgun spray
manic ermine
Sword has very little range
pastel jolt
cast is helpful on sword because you don't have a range capability otherwise
pastel jolt
okay, so say you take aphro cast
witch goes and hovers over lava and camps out
now you have to take damage going and smacking her around
every other weapon has a range capability
dusky drum
true
now im just thinking about the fact that you can just throw the machete in bastion
forest marsh
I was just thinking that too Akai
pastel jolt
also not to be petty but i'm rearranging the upgrade listings so they match the order in the files so that in future i won't have to hop around the list so much lmao
forest marsh
Ha ha that's fine, I was thinking I should've done that myself... I just inserted the new ones to overwrite the removed ones
pastel jolt
aaaand shield updated
funnily enough, none of the shield upgrades are mutually exclusive with each other
forest marsh
Huh, that's the only one then 😆
woeful stirrup
Not even the ones for the amount of rebounds for the special?
pastel jolt
nope!
woeful stirrup
So you can have both Dread Flight and Assault Flight? Wouldn't that make Dread Flight useless?
pastel jolt
assault flight doesn't exist any more
woeful stirrup
Oh, that explains things. Thought the page was updated.
woeful stirrup
I can see your updates in the history, but the page has not updated for me.
forest marsh
If you don't see it, you might have to clear your cache
woeful stirrup
I have refreshed. None of the pages for the weapons look any different than before the update unless I go through the last modifications.
pastel jolt
or hold control when you hit f5. sometimes i have to do that to make icons show up if i just uploaded them
which, lemme tell you, is great for the anxiety of "god, did i spell this boon name right???"
woeful stirrup
Tried refreshing, tried Ctrl+F5, tried clearing the cache. Wiki still won't update for me. What the hell, Firefox?
hard holly
Really, are none of them mutually exclusive?
I guess if Fast and Powershot rush arent
None of them make sense to be
coarse hare
Almost gave up on the run when I lost all my death defiance in Hydra, but empowering nova + flurry blade + Athena attack turned out to be a winner! Made my fastest run so far as well. https://imgur.com/a/jLauPDD
I also noticed something weird with Titan Toppler dash...when Asterius was chasing me while I was dashing around, he kept getting backstabbed, seemingly by Titan Toppler? Has anyone seen that? Not that I'm complaining...since that helped kill him really fast.
feral flower
I just did a Titan Toppler run, and didn't notice anything like that. It doesn't seem like it would be intentional?
coarse hare
Yeah that would be way too strong, but I didn't think to take a screenshot or report it in the heat of battle
eternal stag
no, i noticed the same thing in my run today. titan toppler i think can backstab.
coarse hare
Very strange that I'm running in front of him and he's getting backstabbed though
feral flower
Level 6 Positive Outlook carried me through my run, I tell you what. Theseus and Zag were basically just plinking against each other, and Zag had the better plink.https://imgur.com/a/cnyErvU
coarse hare
Nice! I don't like taking those "reduce damage" boons since I prefer upping my attack, but with sword you kinda need some sort of defense
turbid needle
tankiness is useless just don't get hit for 20 minutes
😉
well... Aphrodite weakness gives the "enemies deal 50% less damage"
so if u put that on dash/special for sword + follow up with different league u can get more damage resistance than positive outlook for most of the time
that being said, positive outlook still seems like amazing thing to have if you want that extra survivability on lower health
true parrot
Oh god I hate greatshields
forest marsh
Why? They're Great
true parrot
I was clearing through Elysium perfectly fine. Winnign fights without taking barely a hit. In before a room full of greatshield. Died while carrying 4 extra hearts.
Can't deal with em for the life of me
Rather meet the bloody minotaur
Any tips for dealing with em?
mighty ermine
I tend to try and bait out their lunge-spin attack by dashing behind them as they do it to take advantage of it. but of course, easier said than done when it's many at once
true parrot
That tends to work if they have no armour.
Especially if I can use some cc. But the armour and thus uninterupptable respawns are so obnouxious
mighty ermine
it doesn't really have much to do with armor in regards to dashing behind while they stand still for a second after the spin. the goal isn't to stun them since they basically are stunned for a moment in that scenario
yall... i finally cleared Elysium at 120 Heat 
https://i.imgur.com/kMM5IwP.jpg
clip of the theseus+asterius fight (warning, perpetual rush n dash): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Ihv_OeH5w
median ridge
heaven is getting two discreet trial of the gods rooms with artemis and athena
lyric folio
Well done @mighty ermine !
I just killed hydra on 120 without taking damage
want to clear elysium before next weekend
mighty ermine
nice, and thank you!
lyric folio
Might have to take a sneak peak how you deal with armored hordes of spears
mighty ermine
I'll have to upload the clip of when I almost had it but died to asterius and chariots while he was at literally 1% or less health
it broke me hahaha
lyric folio
Oof
woeful stirrup
Just got Theseus asking Dionysus for help for the first time. holy crap those patterns are random and annoying. Had Vicious Skewer and thought I might as well get rid of the coward first, but dodging the Minotaur, the spear and the circles was absolute hell and ended up killing me.
quaint gale
wait...does dashing then bullrushing really count as a dash attack?
mighty ermine
I'm actually very quickly dashing as soon as possible after the bull rush ends, and mashing attack to make sure the dash attack comes out of that as soon as possible too
it's good damage and gets around the issue of vulnerability after a bull rush without input
quaint gale
oh! I see. clever
mighty ermine
though, i guess mashing is the wrong word to use since it's more of a timing thing, not really any mashing!
quick bull rush turns it from holding down X -> A press -> X press etc. to basically just pressing it initially
quaint gale
yeah, that would be untenable in 120 heat
mighty ermine
the way you can keep holding X after the dash attack to queue up bull rush again makes it feel very smooth and responsive!
quaint gale
think I'll try that out
mighty ermine
deadly reversal by chamber 5? what even is this seed oh my gods https://i.imgur.com/tT1AoOB.jpg
unkempt pagoda
don't jinx it!!!
lyric folio
FRICK YES
quaint gale
one. two. three.
mighty ermine
very nice!!
lyric folio
I didn't have much hope when I got low so fast
But the longer it went on
God
Awesome game
quaint gale
seems like shield is the key for 120 heat right now...
lyric folio
I tried it with rail too, but standing still just kills you
The chosen are so agressive
I just did it be kiting them around, charging through, and kiting again
Was very slow, but I feel like every time I made a mistake, I immediately got punished for 70-90 damage
quaint gale
yeah, exalted longspears feel like they will always get a hit in every encounter
and in 120 that means you lose
lyric folio
The most frustrating thing for me, was that they jump behind you, so you can't even clock them reliably
median ridge
ugh, had a beautiful crit deflect set up with infinity chamber and artemis’s legendary and still lost
i had less health and dds than usual. guess i’m still reliant on the beef build
lyric folio
Can't win without beef
median ridge
at least i get to advance hypnos’s dialogue
lyric folio
Hypnos is such a pleasant fella
median ridge
it’s frustrating because that was a super fun build and felt good and powerful in elysium. it just didn’t work against the beef squad
lyric folio
Have you ever tried the mass artemis cast build?
You get artemis cast and then the bonus missiles
and keep upgrading them
The damage is insane, but theseus would just block everything
median ridge
what i really needed to make that build better is athena’s wrath
lyric folio
Oh yea
quaint gale
ok, I really like this weaving of bullrush and dash attacks
lyric folio
Infinity chamber+athena wrath is awesome
quaint gale
never tried it before
quaint gale
I like that now you can use the dash attack to smack them while they're flying from the rush
good rhythm
also I have now stacked two movement speed buffs from the store and I'm alarmingly fast
lyric folio
I always buy the upgrades for movement speed
just so cheap
and so good
Almost tempted to get the charon keepsake
to stack 3 ;D
gilded sandal
Oh huh, does Charons keepsake work with Patroclus' items?
quaint gale
I had been doing 120 heat with double store costs but at some point I realized store purchases can really carry a run so I put it back down
lyric folio
Hmm, I would assume not
Yea, convenience fee sucks
I like my death defiance too much
quaint gale
no it doesn't, but patroclus lasts for 6 rooms I believe
so it would be super long if it worked
forest marsh
You're already guaranteed to have Patroclus' items last until the run is over (currently), so I think it's fine
quaint gale
yeah, it'll always go to the boss which is how you want it to go anyways
lyric folio
Unless you take death defiance and die
forest marsh
That is one qualm I have about the Patroclus gifts - two of them are upgraded version of the regular shop items, but the DD is just regular... I feel it should get a boost like the other two, along the same line as the Athena DDs
quaint gale
...TWO DDs?
mighty ermine
that seed with deadly reversal by chamber 5 was luckily not wasted! second 120 heat elysium clear, the run directly after my initial 120 elysium clear too. I had almost goofed it up several times throughout, though https://i.imgur.com/8t6ZNpK.jpg
also didn't get to visit patroclus
turbid needle
how are you on Chamber 41 lol
forest marsh
Chaos gates can add chambers if you take them right before the bosses
turbid needle
oh ok
k...
I remember... chaos gates in Elysium... they have tendency to drop me str8 into Bull of Minos mini-boss fight LOL
forest marsh
Mini boss isn't the same as boss, though
mighty ermine
weird, i know you can get more boons than that with more slots on the board because i've got screenshots with an extra empty column compared to that screen
turbid needle
I know, just saying this as a little "Game: F... You, time to suffer"
median ridge
does anyone know if theseus’s arena has any food jars like the hydra arena has?
forest marsh
It does not
median ridge
hmmm it seems like it should have some considering the difficulty of the fight. i’ll put that in feedback
elfin pulsar
ayyy I think thats the first 120 clear i've seen posted in here, thats crazy
the bull rush hammer upgrades seem like they put in work
mighty ermine
absolutely, yeah. weirdly enough, i think the dash radius and +100% dash attack hammer is my most favored for my 120 runs, since my playstyle weaves them in after every bull rush, and i usually try to get the Artemis dash boon as well
errant narwhal
this is cruel
.....i just realized you can see nothing in this screenshot
ok here. this is cruel
woeful stirrup
Definitely Artemis there.
errant narwhal
i dont know what to dooooo athena might give me her wrath but artemis might give me actual crit stuff
hnnn ok i hope i get more athena boons or even a trial
i got deadly reversal :D
hmm
burst shot or wrath?
woeful stirrup
If you don't have Quick Reload, go for Wrath.
errant narwhal
i did burst shot and got quick reload right after in a shop
that was a fun run
the fated authority grind begins
woeful stirrup
Wait, you mean you got all that good stuff WITHOUT any rerolls? You lucky fiend.
errant narwhal
i used keepsakes haha
i do artemis, athena, collar
i dont even know if i wanna unlock rerolls at all, honestly
ill just stress about how much i have in every run. i dont play THAT much anyway because the runs get rlly long, so itll be a while until i have enough darkness
woeful stirrup
I'm still busy leveling up the useless keepsakes 
lost rose
ugh i did two runs with the EXPRESS purpose of finding patroclus and he decided to avoid me for literally the first time since this patch dropped
twice in a row
i see how it is.
errant narwhal
omg no.... pat pls......
lost rose
it's for a good cause pat
woeful stirrup
Patroclus hiding in a bush: "I don't care about Achilles. Stop bothering me. But please tell him I'm doing fine."
lost rose
patroclus, clearly not doing fine: yah tell him i'm fine
turbid needle
proud storm
Oh im worried now
turbid needle
It's just blade being blade I guess
radiant grove
Guys, guys, gray eyed or sure footing? Bot epic
pastel jolt
gray eyed
radiant grove
Why did both autocorrect to bot?
pastel jolt
traps don't do enough damage to be enough of a concern to take a boon for, while athena's wrath is basically the most powerful wrath froma defensive standpoint
radiant grove
What I was thinking
Been playing a lot the past 3 days and I got a 17 min run which was amazing
west wren
nice
radiant grove
Bronze skin or again, sure footing? Both epic
pastel jolt
bronze skin
radiant grove
Did it
In elysium at 11 minutes
That's pretty slow but I'm going as fast as I can
Ares cast or utk
lost rose
utk
errant narwhal
whats utk i have 2 braincells
lost rose
urge to kill
errant narwhal
ah
radiant grove
I hate that room though
You have to wait like 5 seconds before getting your reward
west wren
^
radiant grove
minor ice
So I mostly play bow and shield. I've been learning which gods to combine, but with poseidon being so hard to use against the elysium bosses, I'm wondering what I should be running for higher heat runs? Besides Artemis and Athena combo.
minor ice
dyo is getting a lot of complaints at higher heat
and frankly while I love him, it feels bad now too 😭
woeful stirrup
Yeah, Sick doesn't do much damage. It's nice to get enough status effects to get a damage boost, but that's it.
minor ice
I had a lot of fun just putting sick on my shield early on, but once the heat gives enemy twice as much hp it becomes tedious haha
west wren
i used to think it was pre op
40 per tick
like damn
but now it's hard to get that many stacks
minor ice
Yeah, it feels real good early but it's the stacking thing
I got the Ares curse refreshes on rift but my build wasn't synergistic that run 😭
turbid needle
it's good in asphodel... problem is that Elysium is just full of Beef
and since Dio is Fixed then even double special hammer on bow doesn't help with that
night pasture
so is there a consensus on whether heat gates are ever worth it?
you're running with heat, so you're already at a disadvantage, then you have to do an additional challenge, to get a typical reward (to my experience)
is there something about their rewards that is special?
pastel jolt
yes
they're improved versions of the regular items
hearts give more health, poms will upgrade rarity by one stage as well as level
heat gates only contain tartarus enemies, even in later stages, so far as i know
night pasture
oh, that's very good to know, I hadn't realized
probably because I've succeeded, like, once
so an acceptable response would have also simply been "git gud"
forest marsh
Honestly, if it's between a regular room and an Infernal Gate, I'll take the Infernal Gate because the fights are generally easier (due to only being Tartarus enemies, as sparrow said)
night pasture
I haven't even been able to finish a 25 heat elysium run yet so I've been extremely risk averse
pearl willow
Gate poms grant a rarity increase? I usually re-roll them but I never noticed that
pastel jolt
they do
what i've yet to test is if a gate pom can push a boon from epic to heroic
i don't think so, but it'd be neat to try
forest marsh
I'm reasonably certain that they can't (so far)
I think someone put in feedback about that, actually...
pastel jolt
mm, it would be pretty broken
forest marsh
I like the mechanism of only getting it from a trade, though... It's like you can only get this special rarity because a god wants to one-up another god
woeful stirrup
I'd like to have more heroics pop up though. I've seen 6 trades now, only one was heroic. Unless it only upgrades the rarity by 1 and I didn't notice?
errant narwhal
twoclowning of the highest caliber
grand patrol
boonclowning
errant narwhal
ive seen a lot of heroics, all of them up the rarity so i think you need an epic boon to get an heroic
forest marsh
Correct, it only goes up by one
woeful stirrup
Ok, so it must have been a rare that I could trade the 5 other times. Good to know.
pearl willow
I've found myself sometimes just taking non-optimal epics early in runs just for the shot at an exchange later. Worked out well once as I exchanged epic Dio wrath for heroic athena wrath which was sweet at 8 second level 1 duration.
woeful stirrup
Didn't think of that, that's a pretty good idea.
elfin pulsar
so even with the nerf has artemis+athena ended up being the #1 go-to build for high heat?
don't think i've seen people win with anything else
median ridge
i haven’t played the patch with heat yet but that’s usually my best build. it’s hard to beat athena’s defensibility and artemis’s raw dps
pearl willow
It would have to be a slow and steady boss fight in all likelihood but I wager Poseidon could get the job done as well. If you have some of his knockback synergies and a good way to apply them to AoE it's actually quite solid in Elysium with all the traps and walls (and it keeps enemies off you). And his base damage is as good as any other really. It's gotten me through some runs at 50 heat at least.
median ridge
his razor shoal ability is really good in elysium considering how fast the enemies are
pastel jolt
the only issue with poseidon is that theseus and asterius can't be knocked back, afaik
median ridge
i still don’t like poseidon’s wrath and his dash is just plain dangerous to zag right now
pearl willow
Don't have to knock back to apply Razor Shoals so you still benefit from the DoT and potentially Privileged Status. But yeah for bosses it's essentially just a higher damage vanilla attack.
elfin pulsar
oh thats good to know
pastel jolt
ruptured might actually be useful to apply to asterius, come to think of it
speedy bull charge n all
pearl willow
The dash hits real hard but I think radial knockbacks might be a little wonky presently in terms of how it also presents a danger to you. I've seen a lot of enemies fly off in unexpected directions from poseidon sword special as well.
median ridge
i find that the knockback effects just make navigating the encounters safely to be more chaotic and difficult. especially on dash
i need to go for another aphrodite run. charm effects are very good in elysium
and if you get charm legendary attack on an infinite rail, that’s a free win against the bosses
elfin pulsar
when the chaos boons are all painful dashes 😕
median ridge
rip
elfin pulsar
on another note, dread flight with athena special has been the safest run i've ever done
all the projectiles get deflected with no effort and it has crazy range
on hydra and i've been hit twice, kinda only once
median ridge
that chaos boon really needs to be revisited. having painful dashes is basically a run killer anywhere but tartarus
turbid needle
I honestly feel like dash penalties shouldnt exist
They are a run killer for me ten times out of ten
elfin pulsar
yeah for a while I thought they needed to change it to something else, like shorter dashes or longer end-lag or something
but now I think those would be zero fun themselves
median ridge
the other “don’t do this” penalties can be workable with certain builds and add an extra layer of challenge to winning, but dashes are always always essential
even in tartarus when dash penalties are arguable more survivable, it makes the game less fun
elfin pulsar
the only use for them i've found is when your already sitting at under 20 health or so
at that point you can go down to 1 health without too much of a downside
alright this dread flight build is not cutting it in elysium, cant hit the spirits enough to kill them
turbid needle
Considerations for Elysium have drastically altered how I play the game and what boons and keepsakes I pick. I've only just started getting back to 45 heat, because I wasn't nearly good enough to consistently beat Elysium on 30 heat for awhile.
I almost feel like I can't use the bow without Hunter's Dash anymore
elfin pulsar
there are a few ways to get damage on bow, though hunters dash is probably the most consistent still
once you get ur second hammer I feel like you can get some nice damage with perfect shot (or w.e. its called) plus another damage hammer
some dude in here had perfect shot with explosive shot and was doing 3k crits or something silly
but really I haven't beat an elysium bow run on heat period so idk what im doing with it
orchid sonnet
Any suggestions on dodging arrows when there are many on screen at the same time?
orchid sonnet
Lmao that's what I've been doing. Dashing and praying.
formal hill
Or mob arrows
formal hill
I've noticed the retical changes colour
elfin pulsar
dashing when the reticule turns pink will dodge them 100%
easier said than done tho
formal hill
So I wait for it to turn that dark pink and try to time my dash
elfin pulsar
yeah, same goes for theseus spear tho he seems less consistent
formal hill
I've only gotten there once BC I stream for my gfs and discord streaming is borked ATM : (
orchid sonnet
Yeah one is pretty simple to handle, but paying attention to that while dodging other enemies can be hard.
pearl willow
Use the terrain to your advantage and try to funnel them through the hot gates where their numbers count for nothing.
lyric folio
@elfin pulsar I won without athena artemis on 120
elfin pulsar
definitely, full archer rooms are awful to deal with IMO
formal hill
ideally with patches and stuff we can get an audio cue, similar to when we do a charge shot
elfin pulsar
oh awesome, thats great tohear
formal hill
I think that might be the best bet TBH, changing the reticle as well as a charge shot sound.
elfin pulsar
what weapon? everybody has been trash talking dio so im glad to hear he came thru
mighty ermine
both of my 120 heat victories probably could have been done without artemis, but would have gone painfully slow
lyric folio
Shield, like everyone else ;p
mighty ermine
especially theseus+asterius
formal hill
i always mess up pronouncing his name so I call him Drunk Dad when I'm playing with my friends 😂
lyric folio
I mostly used dino with special through tartarus and asphodel to minimize risk
mighty ermine
deadly reversal just speeds it all up to a comfortable degree for me
formal hill
the boss fight in that 3rd biome was HELL though oof
elfin pulsar
yeah thats what im thinking, it cuts down the clock on the bosses by so much
formal hill
I probably wont play through again until theres a few patches or something
because that boss is super brutal atm
elfin pulsar
whats your guys way of dealing with the spirits on high heat with the shield?
pastel jolt
@vivid moon can't you just bring up the boon window and check it there?
stoic berry
I like to just push everything into traps on elysium
mighty ermine
making any mistake during beef boys typically kills or uses a DD at 500% damage, so speeding it up to reduce the chance of making a mistake is so valuable, absolutely
stoic berry
Wallslaming into the statues that then proceed to stap them is fun
elfin pulsar
yeah im nowhere near perfecting those guys, dont stand a chance on 500% right now unless I'm doing crazy damage
formal hill
i dont play high heat bc i am a bb
forest marsh
Re: Heroic exchange, it lists the old damage as the first number and the new damage as the second number. I think it does something different if the new damage isn't higher, but I can't recall exactly
void path
Hey, trying to unlock the codex for the adamant rail and I noticed that it's only registering kills done with the primary fire, anyone else experience this?
forest marsh
If it's not registering kills properly, please report it in-game with F10
analog sail
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550317561707888670/577586742622683136/Hades_00020.png
Legendary at chamber 9, that's a personal record. Could have gotten it sooner but instead I got this delicious red onion.
pastel jolt
and it's the best legendary
zeus special....depending on what weapon it's on that could be good
pastel jolt
oh, right, i didn't see the hammer icon
analog sail
Yeah it's the sword. Unfortunately no instant nova on the hammer, maybe I'll be lucky in Elysium. If I make it there.
autumn tapir
meanwhile I'm at run 150 and haven't seen a legendary
I know there's specific criteria but still
frail gull
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/353619763429376000/577615519113543693/unknown.png
man, charm sure does make Theseus+Asterius trivially easy
spiral slate
what is the criteria?
I've only ever found one heroic boon
And I don't think I've found a legendary?
unkempt pagoda
they all have different requirements, but in the most general sense you need at least one specific boon to get them
regal nexus
Legendaries require specific boons beforehand, they're listed on the wiki
pastel jolt
heroic boons are only through the exchanges gods offer, which can only happen with attack/dash/cast/special/wrath
regal nexus
For example athena's requires you get some form of deflect as well as deflect damage increase before it'll appear
unkempt pagoda
artemis needs clean kill or hide breaker
pastel jolt
which in itself needs one of her boons that lets you do crit damage
unkempt pagoda
i've only ever gotten poseidon's, zeus's, and artemis's before
i should do some legendary hunting runs
forest marsh
I think I've gotten all the legendary boons except for Dio, 'cause his is hard and I don't run him a lot
pastel jolt
artemis's legendary is difficult to get because of all the cast boons she offers that don't tie into her legendary tree and also don't cancel anything else out
zeus was easier to get before the patches that gave him more boons 'cause there was only really heaven's vengeance that didn't tie in
unkempt pagoda
honestly while i love having more boons, it's getting really hard to get the ones i need
pastel jolt
it's mostly just a case of luck in that you have to get the same god three times at absolute minimum during a run
unkempt pagoda
had a run with mirage flight but didn't get a special boon until elysium
pastel jolt
and that assumes you get offered the right stuff
i had a run that was on track for splitting bolt but zeus kept offering me other stuff
regal nexus
I have no idea what is happening, but this is by far the best I've ever done with a terrible build. By some miracle only been hit 4 times which hardly even happens with a good build lol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453609837016645643/577619180233424896/unknown.png
If I die with 7 death defies, I probably deserve the loss
forest marsh
You're completely mad, Rynth
regal nexus
On the contrary, I'm completely overjoyed 😏
forest marsh
Explosive Flurry is a fun combo, though. Terrible for visibility, but fun
regal nexus
Yeah, it's by no means a bad hammer set. The only real bad part is the boon list
My strongest damage buff is a 10% attack/cast buff from ares, this is "Festive fog: The run"
forest marsh
Ha ha nice
I need to play with Festive Fog more
I imagine it's nice for offsetting Whipped Frenzy
regal nexus
Oh, whipped would be suicidal
But yeah, if you ever do go whipped then fog is probably the way to go
It's extremely effective in elysium
lyric folio
Fog feels so unreliable to me
regal nexus
It only affects enemies after they've lost their armor
but if you lower the armors, you can then stunlock enemies while killing off the souls
lyric folio
I am aware, but sometimes I still get hit, or they just jump out
regal nexus
Ah
lyric folio
I don't truly feel safe in fog
It's mostly asphodel experience though, have not played around it more than a few times in elysium
Maybe the exalted don't interact as weirdly with it as the skeletons
grand patrol
NIIIICEEE