instant nova+athena special is so op
#h1-builds-and-combat
heady zephyr
golden pawn
It's awesome, though I didn't get the upgrade until halfway through Elysium
errant narwhal
imagine super nova with instant nova. oh gosh
golden pawn
I've gotten that once before! It's awesome
golden pawn
Zagreus, jackhammering Stygius into the bowels of the underworld, sundering it in two:
Oh my god
errant narwhal
pest rooms, i am your god
manic ermine
Good tech is dashing then using nova before finishing with a dash stab
errant narwhal
the other traps also dont do any damage, just push me back
sure footing is good and it is a hill i will die on
hard holly
Cool guys dont look at explosions
errant narwhal
yep, none of the tartarus traps deal any damage whatsoever to me
hard holly
Wait, doesnt that mean you can now walk on lava?
errant narwhal
probably
if not it means i need to pom it once to walk on lava which im fine with lol
hard holly
Zag is basically Jesus
hard holly
Our Battle will be LEGENDARY
errant narwhal
this is like... the third time i saw him ever, i think
maybe second
oh yeah i have to stay on lava for a looong time to start getting ticks of 1 damage
turbid needle
uff...
It's good thing that Chaos boon of +% more foes doesn't work on hydra mini-heads
vale perch
man these chariots on ||Theseus/Minotaur|| fight keep spawning, won't leave me alone
https://imgur.com/VsFjFyg
grand patrol
VROOM VROOM
turbid needle
lol
vale perch
😆
vale perch
I think it was due to clearing and dying at the same time
grand patrol
okay now i neeed to draw zag doing the jurrassic world thing w cars
vale perch
they're spawning everywhere I go now
turbid needle
LOL
grand patrol
jhghjghjfgjh
lost rose
i thought that was supposed to be fixed with the most recent patch
grand patrol
CURSE OF CAR-RING
lost rose
Oh, you haven't updated your game
vale perch
ah that'd be why
but it's nice that they're spawning even on the next run 👌
lost rose
That bug was patched earlier, you should download the update lol
vale perch
pact of punishment wasn't enough
hard holly
Ok I checked something
You in fact cant get Heavy Slug and infinite ammo
Its one of the 3 trais that are not combinable with heavy slug
Also apparently changing the base damage of a weapon is real tricky
hard holly
Does someone know where the savefile is located?
turbid needle
@frosty pier we're talking about the guy who deals over 9000 damage with each hit, what did you expect lol
frosty pier
That guy counts kills on mobs that are not propperly killed
HE IS A GOD OF DEATH HE KNOWS THAT THEY ARENT DEAD YET
lost rose
@hard holly documents/saved games/hades
hard holly
What was Spread Fire?
turbid needle
shotgun
frosty pier
6 ammo 5shot shotgun
turbid needle
It's nice to know that dread flight basically negates miracle flight disadvantage
hard holly
Ah
turbid needle
and oh my god if Aphro + Dio + Ares isn't the most stupid thing in the entire game right now
lyric folio
Good luck!
hard holly
Oh yeah, the new Pulverizing Blow is ridiculous
turbid needle
^
errant narwhal
hunters mark is wicked good
errant narwhal
i just use my wrath and go to town on marked lol
AAAAAAAH
it was pretty much ez mode with those boons honestly
hard holly
Well then
It didnt break the game
But Im not sure exactly what my tinkering resulted in
Modding Hades is hard
There we go
lyric folio
What did you do?
hard holly
Changed Explosive Spear so it increases base damage
Set it to 50 for starters, but thats too high
Im thinking 40 is the right spot
Yup, seems to be about where I would put it
Lot less damage than spin, but a fair bit safer
icy edge
Uhm... deity mods when????
hard holly
I imagine those are a lot harder than just changing some values around
icy edge
Disappointed, truly
hard holly
It aint impossible, but Im sure as hell not able to do that kinda mod
plush blaze
I was wondering about looking into adding a new god through a mod
I was thinking a bouldy mod
Where attacking things spawns falling rocks or something
atomic panther
Oh? 👀
plush blaze
It would be great, since I wouldn't need to like, be good at art or animation
atomic panther
Spawning rubble sounds awesome, and turning enemies into stone could be his wrath (and a status condition)
plush blaze
Ohhhh yeah also petrification is already in the game
atomic panther
Would the spawning rubble upgrade with the biome? Would it turn into exploding rubble with Elysium, or maybe that could be a separate Bouldy boon?
So many options!
plush blaze
hard holly
Well, even with the drastically buffed explosive launcher I still died
Maybe 50 damage was actually the right value
Which feels wrong because it trivializes tartarus
But then again, so does quick spin
grand patrol
smash page: bouldy delievers eternal punishment!!
hard holly
Alternatively: Bouldy is on a roll
manic ermine
Is it me or is Spear spin awkward to play with now. The backswing is huge unless you dash cancel it.
atomic panther
Spear spin's ending lag is annoying to deal with, but the way it interacts with the new dash is insanely good
If you spin dash, you hit everything around you whete you started and ended your dash, plus anything it passed through as you were dashing
proud storm
i had a pretty nice bow build with +200% something damage on my dash attack with perfect shot + explosive shot
then i remembered i was absolutely terrible at the bow and proceeded to die to the rat bimbo
somber epoch
so wait, are you saying if i don't remember i'm bad i can do good?
somber epoch
dashing wallop is too good
coarse hare
I had unlimited ammo and AOE hammer upgrades for the rail last night, together with privileged status everything just melted including in Elysium
The downside was I couldn't see jack so I was hit more easily....got my first win against Theseus though
somber epoch
it doesn't matter if you can't see anything if there isn't anything else
pastel jolt
i'm mystified at how people are actually beating theseus tbh
coarse hare
With the rail special I didn't even need to aim...just dash around and get specials in whenever I catch a break
somber epoch
which leads to INFINITE DEFLECTION
hard holly
Exit Wounds and busted Wraths, mostly
pastel jolt
ew, shield
hard holly
Or Max shield, yeah
coarse hare
With a good dash boon I don't even need to try to hit Asterius all that much
Yeah the Athena dash special is great
somber epoch
who cares if asterius blocks everything
block everything back
reflect the minotaur for big meme value
hard holly
Athena or Artemis generally
pastel jolt
i literally just started the run
hard holly
On the attack
somber epoch
oh i see
hard holly
Also Artemis's dash
pastel jolt
my seed gave me two of the special upgrades and heavy slug as my first hammer, so.
hard holly
If you can get Athena attack and the duo boon that gives crits
pastel jolt
since i play controller i don't want the special upgrades
hard holly
Thats pretty busted
pastel jolt
so i'll reset and take the athena keepsake
somber epoch
why wouldn't you use special on controller?
pastel jolt
oh goddamnit
i reloaded and now the hammer's giving me different stuff???
because it's a pain in the neck to aim
with the mouse you can just click, witht he controller you have to steer the circle over to where you want it to be and WHOOPS everything moved
coarse hare
Yeah auto-aim helps a bit but you have to be facing the right direction still. I use controller and whenever I use rail I try to go for cluster bomb so at least I'll hit something lol
somber epoch
i should try a bull rush only build sometime
pastel jolt
okay, zeus keepsake + infinity chamber, let's go
lyric folio
I feel like boons are a lot more balanced compared to last patch
No need to reset as often
somber epoch
i feel the first 2 zones are a lot easier now
lyric folio
I got to 35 and 36 on 120 heat in a row without going for anything specific
somber epoch
but that's a good tthing
lyric folio
Idd
somber epoch
bc elysium will wreck your day
lyric folio
Yea its super punishing
somber epoch
unless you have meme build
somber epoch
yeah i guess i am playing on low heat
lyric folio
I am not ashamed to admit I died on 0 heat against theseus once
It feels like a proper challenge
errant narwhal
i think most people died to him on zero heat at least once
green birch
Especially if you skipped the Minotaur fight aha
errant narwhal
my brother somehow beat him on every run on the new patch so far but ive only managed it once and it was because of fairly good boon luck
pastel jolt
i've.... died three times to him, on 0 heat, with broken builds
green birch
I’ve only made it to him twice, and won once
lyric folio
Hahaha, I am usually chill, but when Aster starts charging I lose my cool
All builds and strategy out the window just spam that dash
pastel jolt
theseus and asterius have a total combined health pool more than twice that of the hydra if you account for all its heads
errant narwhal
killing asterius first seems to be the way to go
pastel jolt
don't dodge it.
lyric folio
I don't agree, aster is easy to dodge, but theseus is an unpleasant fella
pastel jolt
anyway, i restarted a few more times trying to work out what the hell was up with my rng and i've ended up with artemis attack on heavy slug and it is delightful
errant narwhal
theseus seems to stay in the center, so just stick to the walls and run in circles until u get asterius and then you can focus on only one of them
atomic panther
Sparrow living up to their Thanostaur picture, snapping the profanities out of existence
errant narwhal
theseus' second phase is a pain, better to face him alone then lol
lyric folio
I need some family friendly insults for theseus
errant narwhal
dunce
whole acorn
i always preferred taking Aster out first just to make my life easier - though the times i did go for and succeed at taking Theseus out first old bully bob wasnt too bad afterwards
lyric folio
Alright, theseus is a fopdoodle
whole acorn
reaches into the... recesses.... of my mind
you could always say that he whomps
lyric folio
I would go for cast I think
pastel jolt
i'm leaning towards the mark.....
manic ermine
Hunters mark
lyric folio
Mark is decent too
manic ermine
its always the best
lyric folio
I don't like getting it this early
No assurance you will get more Artemis
Purple arti cast is always good
errant narwhal
mark is gr8
pastel jolt
theseus has 13,000 and asterius has 18,000
proud storm
ow oof
lyric folio
Goodness
errant narwhal
those are some big numbers
lyric folio
That's like 2 artemis wraths 😄
pastel jolt
the hydra has 14,200 if you combine the health of all the subheads spawned by default
errant narwhal
OOOOOF
pastel jolt
also, zeus is offering normal cast, epic jolted, and the freak accident duo - i'm thinking jolted bc i have dash so i could be triggering it often?
hard holly
When you do an average of 200 per special, thats 90 specials to kill just the Minotaur
lyric folio
on dash
green birch
So Theseus alone is about the length of the Hydra fight? No wonder it felt so long...
pastel jolt
it's only 20 damage per crit, though, which is peanits when my crits are doing about 300 damage
hard holly
Wait arent you on rail?
pastel jolt
yeah
lyric folio
I think freak accident is really weak
hard holly
Heavy Slug?
pastel jolt
yeah
pastel jolt
my crits currently do 346 from the front
hard holly
Jolted I guess
The cast is fine
But if youre doing that much damage
The Cast damage isnt really going to matter?
pastel jolt
"hey we upgraded how much poms boost certain skills," they said
heady zephyr
freak accident is only good if you can proc jolted off it
pastel jolt
I DIDN'T THINK YOU MEANT BY THIS MUCH, i said just now
errant narwhal
AAAAAH
heady zephyr
otherwise, they really should have gone the other way around (lightning has a chance to crit)
pastel jolt
like yes PLEASE i will take an almost doubling to the damage i do basically passively given how much i dash
well. not almost double.
hard holly
I mean
lyric folio
Yea the pom buff was great! It makes up for the pom stacking nerf
hard holly
If youve got fast rail
lyric folio
I love it
pastel jolt
29 up to 40 is still a good boost
hard holly
Thats pretty ridiculous with it
coarse hare
With a strong Zeus dash and jolted Asterius basically kills himself eventually when he's chasing you around.
pastel jolt
let's goooooooo
coarse hare
Good luck!
lyric folio
So, is anyone else only using butterfly now? I regularly get up to 35% extra damage by elysium
I feel like it might be overbuffed
forest marsh
35% isn't that much compared to other sources of damage, I think it's fine
lyric folio
35% on everything is stronger than any other buff
compare it to 40% for skull earring under 40%
pastel jolt
yeah, but that relies on you being good enough to avoid damage consistently
lyric folio
That is true
I suppose it is mostly for the high heat players
If you play on 500% damage getting damage is already the devil
pastel jolt
i wonder what keepsake i should take into asphodel........
lyric folio
I love the shawl in asphodel
pastel jolt
i'm tempted to take spearpoint jsut bc i still need to level it
lyric folio
or dusa keepsake
errant narwhal
i always take god keepsake, god keepsake, and then cerberus
or well. not always. ive done 3 whole runs since the patch
pastel jolt
i could take the zeus keepsake and hope for at least 2 zeus boons to see if i get splitting bolt, that could be fun
static discharge is unfortunately not one of the prereqs for splitting bolt :c
pastel jolt
i'm definitely taking the earring into elysium, that's for sure
well that was fast
aaaand nothing that will get me closer to splitting ;3;
lyric folio
Such is life
median ridge
anyone know why trinkets sometimes “expire”? occasionally when i swap out trinkets in elysium the broken spear point is locked out and says it’s “expired (for now)”
pastel jolt
it's because you swapped out
you can't go back to a keepsake you used previously in the run
anyway thanks for nothing zeus keepsake but it's hydra time now
lyric folio
Juicy jolts though
pastel jolt
okay so i'm doing 600 damage crits to the hydra and all i can think is "it'd take 30 of those to down asterius"
manic ermine
If my build sucks before elysium I take shattered shackle for 900 damage pillar crushes
pastel jolt
the hydra was a delicious feast for my crits
green birch
Blessssss
elfin pulsar
is shattered shackle a real strat vs the duo or just the regular rooms?
errant narwhal
onwards and upwards
pastel jolt
omg
idk what to take
i mean other than the top one.
i like the sound of doing more armour damage since almost everything has armour in elysium but 🤔 aoe damage.......
pseudo crow
i like the armor one too
pastel jolt
the piercing sounds nice too
pseudo crow
god my fps drops so hard i take so much damage when i use something like zeus wrath in hydra fight Y ^ Y
pastel jolt
yeah, i think i'll take the pierce
pseudo crow
i can't even tell where i am haha
elfin pulsar
zeus in general feels the most deadly to FPS
pearl willow
someone hasn't had Razor Shoals 😄
elfin pulsar
getting zeus attack + explosiove fire on rail means never being allowed to use attack again
pastel jolt
i do appreciate that the decreasing effect on poms means i'm actually spreading the damn things out a bit more
pseudo crow
i think my most op run was zeus attack + crit + the rapid fire hammer upgrade
cleared rooms so fast it wasn't even fair
with the rail
median ridge
i’ve pretty much exclusively using the spiked collar in elysium. still not confident enough in my skill to survive on anything other than absurd tankability yet
pseudo crow
my favorite trinket is than's, it's really easy to stack in the first biome!!
pseudo tapir
Damn
@median ridge You should get athena boons. She often drops death defiance modifications (including death defiance)
median ridge
oh i get those two. as many athena dd modifications and death defies from charon’s well i can get
elfin pulsar
death defiance heal % + spiked collar is actually my favorite combo in the game
pseudo tapir
ah
median ridge
and from pat too, when i run into him
elfin pulsar
im too bad at avoiding damage in hectic fights, the crutches are what I need, also why I never go over 200% damage, usually just 0-30% lol
median ridge
athena and artemis are still my faves even after rebalancing. perfect defense and attack damage
pastel jolt
ughhhhhhhhh
the enemies in elysium always rip me to shreds
i'm down to one death defy and i haven't even reached the boss yet
pseudo crow
also does anyone else feel like the spear is a bit weak compared to the other weapons D:
turbid needle
it is
pseudo crow
@pastel jolt you can do it!!!!
turbid needle
it's probably weakest weapon right now
lyric folio
No shame in that
Elysium enemies are harder than everything up to that point combined
pseudo tapir
Stygian is strongest imo
pseudo crow
also, i feel like ares boons are also p weak compared to the other gods
pearl willow
spear's low base damage and the enemy gap closers in elyisum make spear a tough sell for me.
pseudo crow
yeah yeah, i really feel it in elysium
elfin pulsar
individual ares boons feel weakest to me, but they really can build on each other
pseudo crow
the spear return is slow too
turbid needle
I would say it's equal bow and blade right now.. .we need to take point that hammer for bow seems to be iffy... especially Explosive Arrow right now
pseudo tapir
Che stygian chop x crit is crazy
pseudo crow
i like the rail + zeus and artemis boons + hammer upgrades
pseudo tapir
The*
pseudo crow
the chop is crazy too
median ridge
i never really got good at the spear before the big update, seems like there’s no point now
pseudo tapir
I usually do around 700 damage every hit with stygian. Makes the run too easy
pastel jolt
right
pseudo crow
the spin also seems like you can only use it when enemies are spawning
pastel jolt
let's do this
elfin pulsar
new multi-skewer is actually pretty nice, very strong with more enemy spawns
turbid needle
well...
elfin pulsar
hits 7 enemies in 0.5-1 second
pearl willow
only boons i kind of actively avoid are dio or potentially artemis if it's late in the run and i have nothing good going on with crit/cast already. i like ares wrath as a defensive cooldown or the passive +cast/attack damage. i dont think it's great but i still like blade rift cast as well.
pastel jolt
what do you reckon, theseus down first or asterius down first?
turbid needle
if everything fails, you might wanna try the Ares Special, Dash Aphro, Attack Dio combo for almost any weapon
pseudo tapir
Asterius
elfin pulsar
im on the burn the cow 100% first strat right now, but i've been unable to beat them on heat since the patch
turbid needle
I find that stupidly strong myself
turbid needle
sadly curse of longing doesn't work, but Blight Tolerance + Boiling Blood + Priveleged Status is gonna chop anything to shreds
pearl willow
i try and wear them down equally, the one time i took out asterius first i regretted having to deal with multiple chariots more than one minotaur and got dead.
elfin pulsar
that was my strat before the patch yesterday, now I think the chariots are easier to deal with than the stupid bull rush, but might jut need more practice
median ridge
having a strong ares dash is really good for fighting asterius
turbid needle
sadly Ares Dash isn't as strong as it was lol
pastel jolt
minotaur down
median ridge
basically means you just have several seconds of free damage as you get chased around.
pastel jolt
cost me a death defy
let's see if i can burn down the rest of theseus's health
i'm taking a moment paused because i don't particularly enjoy playing when my hands are shaking like a leaf lmao
median ridge
good luck!
turbid needle
is it only me hating the Minotaur having a moment of impreviousness at his like 1% hp
at Final Boss battle ?
pastel jolt
the way to deal with the bull rush, it seems, is it take advantage of the fact that dash lets you go through pillars while he can't
since they sped it up that's basically the only way to get him to stop
elfin pulsar
yeah seems like it, my struggle was getting caught out not close enough to pillar when trying to hit theseus
median ridge
i’m so glad we don’t have to deal with his charge using the old dash
pseudo crow
theseus is just so annoyiiiing he blocks everything ):
i take the cow down
but theseus just won't die sometimes
turbid needle
I murder Theseus first, but usually wear down both
elfin pulsar
yeah im not a fan of it, they need like 50% less health
pastel jolt
i wouldn't say that much less
median ridge
my strategy is going into that fight with at least 300 health if not more
elfin pulsar
i'd be happy with 50% less health but making some of the gods in phase 2 harder
median ridge
a gentle nerfing of their health would definitely make the fight less tedious
even when i have a good build and an understanding of their patterns it takes forever to wear them down
pastel jolt
my primary issue, right now, is that it doesn't feel fun losing to them
like, i just thought about doing another run and thought "nah" because i know i'm just going to get crushed flat by the beefy boys again
that's not a good sign
i had theseus down to about a third
elfin pulsar
for me, its the sloggish nature of that fight that gives me that feeling, that plus how swingy the wraths are
pastel jolt
that's the consistent sticking point, i've found
try as i might, i can nuke asterius down and get theseus to a third and by then i just don't have the health to keep up
median ridge
then i usually avoid the asterius miniboss just because it takes forever to do
pastel jolt
yeah, he doesn't have any less health if he spawns in as a miniboss vs. a boss
hard holly
I get the feeling that Asterius and Theseus mightve been balanced around the previous way damage was calculated
But shipped with the change from multiplicative to additive
pastel jolt
even accounting for the increase in power you get from a second hammer and more boons/poms in elysium, they just.... have too much hp
hard holly
Huh, I wonder if you can change their HP in the files
proud storm
i did not max out olympian favor and god's pride for you to offer me exclusively normal boons, artemis
pseudo crow
@median ridge 300 health??? omg.....most runs i don't even reach 200 hahaha
elfin pulsar
unrelated but epic sure footing makes you immune to spike traps
pastel jolt
it says something about how lethal elysium is that i don't always reroll centaur hearts when i see them now
median ridge
i’ve gotten up to over 400 hp in one run
pseudo crow
omg
median ridge
i always reroll for centaur hearts
pseudo crow
i always skip the centaur hearts if the other choice is damage hahaha
elfin pulsar
getting the posieden boon that ups ur health, or the dio boon with health from ambrosia really gets u there
hard holly
On the topic of Centaur Hearts
It kinda sucks that they become basically useless on high heat
median ridge
the poseidon boon that increases the value of rewards is amazing early on
elfin pulsar
getting 50 health ones from infernal gates helps a little, but yeah the normal ones are kinda weak
median ridge
i try to solidify my damage build in the first two zones and then after getting the second hammer, prioritizing getting tanky
gotta be beef to beat beef
manic ermine
In order I pick any room that gives Boon/Shop/Heart/pom/money
elfin pulsar
damn just killed the hydra in about 60 seconds with artemis cast stuff
each cast is doing 384+96+96 with a 300 exit wound 2.5 seconds later
never had this work so well
plush blaze
gz
pastel jolt
alright, since i don't have the heart to throw myself at theseus and asterius again just yet, i'm going to start working on updating the wiki
forest marsh
I was going to add the new enemy images, but I honestly don't know where to start with extracting from bink video
quiet ledge
Almost every run I equip chaos keepsake on the second floor. The chaos door is yet to show up there
proud storm
when you want your relative to escape from hell and his build really really sucks but you dont want to be too blunt about it https://i.imgur.com/81J6qrT.jpg
pastel jolt
dhjgfdkjf
proud storm
the weather is mean today https://i.imgur.com/84EsUyc.jpg
hard holly
Bow is still really broken
I hit multiple 1k crits with the same dash attack
Poor Minotaur never saw it coming
proud storm
"zeus please give me your attack boon" "no" https://i.imgur.com/LcKK4Ak.jpg
proud storm
oh no it's very good fjdghfjg
proud storm
quick spin and extended jab w/ artemis
pastel jolt
@runic bluff have you noticed the difference between the gold and blue doors yet
proud storm
i didnt see a difference
hard holly
Mmh
Ill probably go for a quick spin build to get a spear clear
Its a bit of a shame that Special is so bad now
elfin pulsar
finally won vs heat post-patch theseus, exit wounds really is the trick
hard holly
Is there a speedrun for this patch yet?
runic bluff
@pastel jolt I don't get your point?
proud storm
since they nerfed empowering nova my sword run is invalid now 😔 https://i.imgur.com/ZIokU9k.jpg
pastel jolt
a door with blue laurels on it is never, ever going to reroll into a pom/boon/heart/gold
they're already split into tiers
elfin pulsar
and aren't there set things that golds can re-roll into? like ares is always arty or something like that
pastel jolt
blue laurels: key / ambrosia / darkness / heat
gold laurels: heart / pom / boon / gold
shops are...... ambiguous, i haven't worked out the rules there
and yeah the gods tend to come in certain sets
hard holly
Its a shame that it was nerfed
I mean it was broken, but not quite as broken as bow
I literally just shut off my brain because Theseus and Minotaur couldnt kill me in time
lyric folio
Shops appear in both blue and gold, but I have never rerolled into a shop interestingly enough
pastel jolt
you can reroll certain shops, i've had the option come up before
never tried it though
hard holly
Really?
coarse hare
Hmm, will heroic boons only appear to replace something existing? I've never seen them just on their own
hard holly
Ive paid attention and no shops so far have been rerollable
lyric folio
You tend to have shops at the halfway point and end of a biome, and I think you can reroll the random ones
coarse hare
Ah I must've missed that
runic bluff
@pastel jolt well, I honestly never rerolled a boon room or hammer room, for obvious reasons, however repeating rewards are still a bummer regardless, and making it more easily understandable for everyone would be great, since (excuse me if I am wrong), nowhere in game is ever mentioned how the altering actually works and what result can one expect from altering a room reward.
elfin pulsar
yeah rerolling is such a small part of the game but it'd be really nice for a little paragraph blurb to come up when you first enter a room with it
explain the laurel colors at least
runic bluff
my problem is more about the frustration of rewards given, repetitive rewards and overall darkness cost to efficiency ratio.
elfin pulsar
well the rerolls are stupid expensive on purpose, so people can always have something to work towards with darkness
calm sable
just reroll poseidon loool 
elfin pulsar
and they are totally unnecessary so it seems fine to me
100% agree it should not be possible to reroll into the same thing, thats dumb
runic bluff
yes, @elfin pulsar ,they are mostly useless, and this is the main reason for my feedback. If Faded Authority were made to actually be decent (like for example giving it slight chance to Alter Tier 1 to Tier 2 reward) or decent chance to alter boon room to duo boon room, it might actually be worth the as you said it - stupidly expensive upgrades, of which I do agree absolutely. I am always against having useless options and wasted potential and faded authority is probably the worst impremention of reward altering Ive seen in a game. In its current state "Faded Authority" is more of a gimmick and something I sometimes dont even use at all, like I forget about it, just because its so meaningless, but if they rework it to a decent stage where it can actually pay off, it can be considered a viable upgrade, therefore not wasted potential and coding.
elfin pulsar
im kinda biased against rogue-lites in general but I personally like that its weak, I really dont like the idea of pre-run stuff that you have to grind for to be important
but other people like having something to grind for, which is why I imagine they made the last mirror upgrade be both gimmicky and really expensive, so it keeps players like me happy but also gives something for grinders
lower the darkness cost and it removes the grinding goal, substantially buff it and it sucks for people who dont like grinding
pseudo tapir
Hello
elfin pulsar
i dont even have the second one yet myself lol
pseudo tapir
I need hades permissions
pastel jolt
see, there's a small part of me that's like...... okay, if the game explains everything for you, where's the fun in discovering things and working it out for yourself,
elfin pulsar
yeah thats fair enough, and the laurels are pretty clear and easy to figure out once you notice them
took somebody in here mentioning them for me to even see them but im also kinda slow
pastel jolt
there's got to be a balance somewhere - do i think the game needs to tell you about how legendary boons work? yes! do i think it needs to hold your hand and tell you exactly which boons unlock the legendaries? nope
same with rerolls
runic bluff
@pastel jolt I completely agree, even though the game indeed explains to the player what friggin' Heart mean, what dash mean, what attack mean etc. (when you hover over a Boon for example, you get every term explained in it's OWN SEPARATE WINDOW :D:D:D), which Is mostly pointless, and on the other hand, something that is way more complicated to understand without access to the game code have zero explanation, so you can basicly never be 100% sure about how it works exactly, unless you contact customer supports. It doesnt sound very fitting :D:D I love learning stuff about the game while exploring the game and not the wikia, but yet I do believe that a wasted code for poorly implemented "feature" is indeed a waste 😃
errant narwhal
@pseudo tapir to get the early access role read the pins in #hades-feedback please!
pseudo tapir
Thanks!
pastel jolt
anyway - this isn't even "stuff i know because i peek in the code", i literally spent a few runs just rerolling stuff, noting what i saw, and suiciding to do it again
errant narwhal
but yes, bugs are reported with F10
elfin pulsar
do we have access to the full code?
runic bluff
this is why you cannot be a 100% sure. What if Tier 1 actually do have a slight chance to alter into a Tier 2? This is why you need access to the code or simply get explanation ingame about how the mechanic works, than be free to explore as much as you love 😄
pastel jolt
okay, but now we circle back to my original point
elfin pulsar
IMO there's nothing wrong with not knowing things 100% for sure, especially if its something unimportant to winning
pastel jolt
which is that the game cannot and should not tell you everything about everything
elfin pulsar
though I feel ya man, theres some random chance events in Slay The Spire that I legit scoured the code to figure out the percents on b/c I thought for sure they were rigged
pastel jolt
does anyone know if charming an enemy counts as a status curse for the purposes of the punishment mechanic (increased damage with 2+ status curses on the same target)
hard holly
I cant guarantee it, but as far as I can tell now
runic bluff
yes, it does
hard holly
I had charm and mark on Theseus and the Minotaur, and it didnt apply it?
proud storm
charming is considered a status curse
runic bluff
Weak and Charmed enemy is automatically double cursed
so you can basicly have 2 curses on your main attack
pastel jolt
excellent
proud storm
also i learned that each shard of aphro's cast has a chance to charm the target if you have unhealthy fixation
pastel jolt
i'm making the wiki page for them while i remember to do so
proud storm
so you're nearly guaranteed to charm your target if you throw your aphro cast on it
atomic panther
That's one of many reasons aphro cast is broken
I've gotten it to 91 damage per shard before thanks to chaos and poms
strong hornet
that was a fun run lightning dash, 2x strike chance, crit auto attack with sword and flurry stike (fast attacking) with the duo boon to get ligtning on crit. and then some nice crit modifiers in hunters mark and a 50% crit to start the chain on special :)
median ridge
sword is so good. i had a run with both empowering nova and the dash attack upgrade, chaos upgrade to dash attack, artemis attack, and hunters mark
that finally made the boss fight go quickly
manic ermine
Have to say, it doesn't feel good when Tenebrous veil forces you to swap out a boon, especially when you don't have many to begin with.
covert grove
For those curious about speedruns this patch, here's my best run thus far: 12:47 in game time https://youtu.be/vtZn5JyzpzA
elfin pulsar
tenebrous veil is the always feel bad, not a fan
manic ermine
I liked playing and just running with what you roll with, but the swapping and random lockouts is painful, often get to fury with no attack boost
median ridge
that run i just had really puts into perspective how beefy theseus and asterius are compared to the hydra
elfin pulsar
@covert grove awesome run, how many runs did you do with that seed roughly?
hard holly
Huh, so Poseidon Dash is busted again?
median ridge
the hydra got melted in basically two hits per phase. and even with the boosted power after going through elysium, theseus and asterius still took many many hits to take down
manic ermine
its very strong but gets you hit all the time by dragging the attacking enemies with you
hard holly
Also, wow the Skullcrusher really is a timewaster
turbid needle
Is it just me or is rail generally a slower weapon for finishing the game. I feel like I'm not doing as much damage as I can with the other weapons lol.
forest marsh
It can be very slow depending on your build
Likewise, though, it can be fast with the right build
It's a weapon of extremes
turbid needle
Right. It seems to be really boon dependent (much more so than the other weapons).
The hammer upgrade seems to matter a lot more too.
forest marsh
Boon and hammer dependent, for sure. It shines with 2 hammers, but you gotta get to Elysium first for that
minor ice
Theseus cleared on 15 heat. Gonna have to turn all my boon boosts off soon.
lyric folio
Keep it up Numi!
pseudo tapir
Favourite build?
pseudo crow
i agree w the deflect thing though yea
there was a really fun one i had
with the rail
it had the chain lightning attack and rapid fire hammer upgrade
it cleared rooms so fast haha
actually i think it was like, a full zeus build
with the bouncing cast and the wrath
it killed my fps so hard though Y ^ Y
pseudo crow
not tanky at all yeah
actually, i don't think i've ever built tanky much
i just like big ouchies >:3
pseudo tapir
ah
pseudo crow
and i got one from athena boon
pseudo tapir
Athena is really the only choice if you want to go high heat runs
Legends, prove me wrong
pseudo crow
that's fair
pseudo tapir
Actually
I think I did one non-athena build once
Really fun
It was stygian blade with zeus and poseidon
open geode
Yo, is it normal that the centaur heart you get from Thanatos doesn't get affected by Ocean's Bounty? (x% more darkness, gold and hp upgrade)
open geode
i guess Charon's hearts don't get better either
so i guess it only applies on chamber rewards instead of a bonus like Thanatos' gift
quiet ledge
I think in the description of poseidon's boon it's explicitly said "the ones you get as chamber rewards"
ocean halo
oof, just got triple shot and explosive bow together
too many explosions
with that and Dio's Cast it becomes really hard to see anything
but damm it hurts a lot
open geode
a fun one I got recently was explosive shot; no charge, with poseidon attack
stand in the middle of the room and just spam attack
everything dies
ocean halo
hehe nice
a lot of good combos with double hammer
The best part of getting to elysium
open geode
I /think/ you can get more than one hammer before elysium though
can't say i've had it happen but I did have the opportunity to, didn't have the gold to buy the hammer in tartarus and then i got one n asphodel
so dunno
forest marsh
The second hammer is supposed to only be available in Elysium
open geode
i wonder if you can theoretically have 3
ocean halo
Yup
ocean halo
elysium only
open geode
well i didn't buy it from charon
ocean halo
its not a bug
open geode
so maybe it allowed me to get one as a reward still
ocean halo
you just could have got it earlier, and if you did it wouldnt have appeared again until elysium
open geode
is what i meant
yo ever stack like 3 chaos upgrades for attack or special?
with a boon?
ocean halo
well in that case i dont understand why you theorized that you could get 3 hammers
open geode
i forgot this was a christian minecraft server community
well no i wasn't sure and thereafter i surmised
open geode
i think i've also ever only got two at the same time but at least one of them was epic
ocean halo
so i think its possible
open geode
it was pretty great
trying to get the rapid fire special upgrade
with the explosion on return upgrade
i think that'd be pretty ridiculous too
atomic panther
Rapid fire shield got removed from the game (likely for that exact combination)
open geode
what exactly is bugged about it?
turbid needle
it doesn't bounce when there is only one enemy
ocean halo
its in the patchnotes too
it now only bounces between enemies
no enemies = no bounces
turbid needle
welp, it's useless now then
open geode
i feel it's useless when it bounces at all lol
feels like a gimmicky shield special
not my thing
turbid needle
well, I was using it kinda like old Zeus cast lol
hard holly
I mean, with the new damage buff
And assuming my hypothesis that its damage bonus is multiplicative
Its basically a far better shield special which is ... not saying much I suppose?
open geode
is it though?
i guess last update i was all about that vicious skewer
and backstab damage
with artemis athena duo
critt
but that's gotten a lot worse because of the changes lol
hard holly
I mean, higher base damage, faster speed and a nasty multiplier
Yeah spear special in general is just bad now
It needed stacking multipliers
I actually tried out explosive launcher with 40 base damage instead of 80% damage amp and it was still only alright
open geode
like the recall on backstab is now only as much as the projectile you send at it i feel
rapidfire attack spear with increased attack range spear, with artemis attack and bunch of critt boons was fun though
just hold x and everything in range dies
hard holly
The fact that even with that buff spear was only alright was further shown when I did a bow run right after that
Where I easily got 1-3k dash attacks
300 damage per spear throw is just nothing compared to that
open geode
if you got critt backstab special epic boon you'd get to like 800
hard holly
Nah I had all of that
open geode
(if you count going in and back together)
hard holly
Oh Im talking explosive launcher
Though it had 40 base damage so its effectively the same
It still doesnt come close to that
Since damage is additive now
Even if you have a total of a 400% boost accross all boons and stuff
And then crit with that
Thats still only 300 damage
600 with the return
And 400% isnt very doable
open geode
i still like the spear special because it allows me to kill theseus and shieldbearers
very easily / lazily
hard holly
I find it doesnt
Because it takes forever
And the safety you get is nullified by the length
open geode
it'd be better if the spear doesn't bounce with multiskewer, it'd act like the normal spear imho
it doesn't pierce the enemy and it feels kinda wonky on 1 enemy
wait
what happens if you combine
exploding spear
with multi skewer?
pastel jolt
okay, all olympian god pages on the wiki should now be accurate to the beefy update
forest marsh
Your labours are most appreciated 
pastel jolt
pseudo crow
@turbid needle oh it's you!! you dropped by my stream earlier!! thank you :DD
pastel jolt
plans for another time, once i can stomach going back into notepad++:
- daedalus hammer updates (priority)
- mirror of night updates
- rip images for new enemies
autumn tapir
wow theseus has so much health
lost rose
theseus has so much health
grand patrol
theseus has never been sick in his life
plucky oxide
Wow I think I'm getting pretty good at this ga-
Theseus: I'm about to end this man's whole streak
grand patrol
jhfvhhjfjfhj
plucky oxide
With how many iterations we've seen of the Hydra fight, I wonder if we're due for the same subtle tweaking and shifting about with Theseus and his Best Bro
pastel jolt
theseus has 13,000, asterius has 18,000, so that's 31,000 total
autumn tapir
oh my god
lost rose
Yeah. 13,000 gfdhfk
autumn tapir
how much does the hydra have for comparison?
pastel jolt
14,200 with all heads and armour included
7000 for main head, each mini head has 700hp and 500 armour
autumn tapir
asterius definitely needs to have less health imo
unkempt pagoda
oof
pastel jolt
asterius also has 18,000 health when spawned in as a miniboss, so far as i can tell, which is why his fight takes so long
raven lintel
holy
plucky oxide
I feel like the majority of my time spent in Elysium is in boss rooms. Even if it technically isn't, that's pretty telling in and of itself.
open geode
after you get used to theseus it's not that bad
i'm on a 13 spree atm
not played with much heat though recently
runic bluff
honestly, I don't find Theseus and Minotaur hard to fight, I mean they aren't much harder than hydra, considering the maneuver required etc. They are just boring to fight, 'cuz it takes so much time at higher heat.. Id rather fight a little stronger bosses with less HP than the current version of them, that takes forever for some builds.
pastel jolt
i must just suck at this game then !
turbid needle
@pastel jolttaur what loadout do you use ? what max hp do you have at the boss? what keepsakes do you use? what weapon ? it kinda all depends
pastel jolt
bunch of different ones, it varies but i don't usually get far above 200, i'm usually using earring by elysium, see first answer
pseudo crow
it feels like theseus has more health than asterius because he just freakin blocks everythin ):
i want him to feel the big ouchies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
turbid needle
yup, that's why for the most of the part you want to either cheese him or use aoe/curse status effects
echo lion
I have a whopping 8 BLOODSTONES!
And each of them deflect and deal 200 damage.
It’s a shame that I decided to max out ranks on ‘grim inevitability’ so that I could get more dankness.
turbid needle
yeah... I have kinda same run
+2 cast from chaos +3 from Artemis and Quick Reload lol
echo lion
I also have +2 cast from chaos and +3 from artemis
And I have 4.7 second dislodge time
elfin pulsar
i definitely wish theseus+minotaur had less health but was more consistently hard
very much a slog
echo lion
Along with 200 damage when they do dislodge. (I went all the way with cast)
pseudo crow
true true, their health pool is just so...........thicc
echo lion
I agree unbearded. Unless you have something like the ares cast it’s very hard to deal a good amount of damage to theseus.
pseudo crow
ares boons feel so weak though
echo lion
I don’t know. The cast feels pretty strong against bosses; You can just spam them when Theseus isn’t moving and bam, That’s a lot of damage.
Though the other boon do feel weak.
pastel jolt
urge to kill is always a nice ribbon to put on top of a good build
echo lion
I’m kinda new.
But isn’t only 10% or 5% really small compared to the 47% from Poseidon or Aphrodite or whoever.
Is it multiplicative?
somber epoch
Urge to kill is like maple syrup
echo lion
Should I be asking this in discussion?
somber epoch
I think here is also fine
pearl willow
In the middle of a run and don't rightly remember - does Privileged Status from mirror affect cast damage?
turbid needle
10 casts, 3,17s quick reload, spread fire + artemis attack and hunter mark and aphrodite dash
sounds like fun
oh and 100 dmg exit woudns
coarse hare
Is it me, or does the bow Twin Shot charge just as slow as the old bow?
pearl willow
8 boons, 5 poms and I can't get even one of them to level up my cast heroic blade rift cast 😦
also i can't prove it yet but i swear to zeus the blade rift wrath invuln either wears off early or the expiration timer is incorrect
hard holly
The expiration timer is incorrect
It is on all of them
It expires on the second-to-last ring
pearl willow
and theseus and exalted shieldbearers most definitely can still block blade rift. not sure if patch meant theseus blocks it less often or shouldn't be able to at all.
echo lion
Oh no...I just found the solo asterius fight...
R.I.P my death defiances
opal lintel
Hey is the Sword's Special knockback supposed to be different?
instead of knocking away from Zag its causing enemies to be knocked in the direction he was last facing
is that intended?
being used to the old one, I'm taking alot of hits from enemies behind me who are getting knocked CLOSER when I use it
fluid moat
yeah it's a bug I reported
opal lintel
Ok I answered my own question. I just used Poseidon Nova and Ruptured myself. Died to my own DoT. Sword special is just bugged to hades right now.
opal lintel
oooh that might explain why using spear felt so weird in this patch
I couldn't put my finger on it
opal lintel
I mean, it was a bug on shield special a while back
idk how it could happen (or if anyone else has had it happen to them) but I just know I died from walking around with no enemies on screen
6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6 "No!"
fluid moat
would be great to submit a bug report with F10 if that happens again
unborn spire
Same here. I did a fully legendary Zeus sword run earlier with flurry blade and the other hammer upgrade that lets you spam special faster and I was wondering why my special was getting me hit a lot...
opal lintel
yeah I didn't react fast enough
there were no enemies on screen but it was still middle of fighta
didn't think to hit F10 while it was happening
opal lintel
I know you can include info in a report
fluid moat
it'll send the save file on top of whatever description you give
fluid moat
yeah it's not as clear/evident the power of the F10 report
opal lintel
I feel like this happened yesterday though, and not the 7th?
cuz I think I did a sword run also on day 1 where I had the same forge he's describing
I got big nova and instant nova with Artemis Special.
lots of fun, that.
and I didn't notice this happening then.
was I just not observant or did this bug get introduced by the patch on the 9th
wintry swan
Hey, I could use some advice on 60 heat runs
I was trying with enemy attack speed maxed, but the soul dudes in elysium are too hard when that happens
So I'm thinking increased damage at max might be the easiest, but I just cant seem to not get hit.
What do other people run for 60 heat?
I've got my darkness basically maxed
livid tundra
anyone else feel like Theseus's sheild needs a bit of a nerf? it feels nearly impossible to damage him with stuff like the rail gun or the bow. i mean it could just be me but i want to know if others feel the same way.
upper sorrel
Just finished the dumbest run with only 1 attack boon upgraded 8 times
Heroic Blight strike goes through shields
idk why people be saying Dionisis is so bad
livid tundra
I like Dinonisis too altough i think it just depends on the weapon
forest marsh
Dio is great on rapid hitting weapons
livid tundra
getting something like Blight on special while you have sword or maybe even the bow really sucks
tight depot
I've found Dionysus on the bow special is great you just have to get up close to use it, which is less great
upper sorrel
i used it with the sword, upgraded to have fast attacks
opaque merlin
Dionysus with bow special and the 100% more shots hammer upgrade is phenomenal. Just run around the edge of any room and spam the special into it; the arrows are frequent enough that you'll constantly be poisoning everything
upper sorrel
im... kinda terrible with bow tho haha so i never use it
opaque merlin
If you want to easy-mode bow, start with the Artemis trinket and get dash attack, then aim for the "your shot explodes" hammer upgrade
Just dash, shoot, dash, shoot all day
pearl willow
man trying to kill minotaur with zeus attack is not a good time lol
death by a thousand cuts
pearl willow
and theseus aphrodite (i think) ground AoEs are a major pain, giant ring around you that clipped me ton of times, got further than i thought with that atrocious build though
plucky oxide
Just had an amazing run with Adamant Rail, all thanks to an amazing floor 1.
Your special is stronger and can Deflect, Damage +203%
You can use your Special 3 times in rapid succession
+Special deals 60% damage
+Special deals 45% damage
+Special deals 90% damage
plucky oxide
Athena, hammer, chaos, chaos, chaos
Actually had a fourth chaos as well, but that was 80 bonus hp.
wintry shale
Started an Adamant Rail run of my own; So far Divine Flourish (Epic) @ 131% Bonus Special Damage and Triple Shot
plucky oxide
It was hitting the 300-330 each shot by the end. Had the keepsake that did bonus damage the further I was away. Some stray 5% crit would have been nice, but I'm not about to look down upon such blessed rng.
plucky oxide
DR, so much fun.
unkempt pagoda
had the power shot hammer, did the dash-shot with artemis attack and hunters mark
plucky oxide
I love stacking up to 100% crit. Feels so rewarding to be balancing all your effects.
unkempt pagoda
it feels really good
plus neither man nor bull could hit me cause titan toppler 😛
plucky oxide
Titan toppler is so much fun!!! Athena is quickly climbing her way up to my most-used God keepsake.
What's a good way to test out that new mirror upgrade? The double-debuff effect. Anything easy to pair so far? I assume... Dio + Aphro?
forest marsh
Double debug?
I assume you're talking about Privileged Status, just curious about the terminology
analog sail
Now that all gods have status debuffs it's pretty common to see it pop up. It can happen with any combination Aphro, Dio, Zeus and Artemis. I tried making it work with Ares, and didn't really work.
Yeah, 2+1=4, didn't you know
I would report it as a bug
obtuse tapir
Actually I got a debuff from chaos
forest marsh
Looks like you have a +%enemies debuff
obtuse tapir
but it's still a mystery
It was +46% as far as I remember
but shouldn't it be 100% + 50% + 46% = 196%
analog sail
Then it's fair, it's close enough to x2 enemies
obtuse tapir
Which should be rounded down to 3
forest marsh
Hades rounds up, yeah
forest marsh
If you dig deep enough, you'll find that it rounds up for health and damage numbers
analog sail
In case of big enemies it rounds to the nearest one I think. Does it count total health?
forest marsh
So it makes sense that it rounds up for enemies too
analog sail
Well that answered it, kinda
obtuse tapir
It'd be hilarious if
there're like two minibosses once that number becomes too high or something
forest marsh
I mean, it's happened before with Megagorgon
analog sail
^
forest marsh
If you search you'll see screenshots of two of them
analog sail
Yeah people were fighting two megagorgons but no Cyclops.
obtuse tapir
That's something
analog sail
X2 Alecto when
obtuse tapir
Zag vs Meg & Alecto
obtuse tapir
Well we already know it's already an imagination
so I was thinking of something stupid
forest marsh
Anyway, mini-bosses are subject to +%enemies, or at least they were in the past. Haven't tested it recently myself
obtuse tapir
Alecto + Tisiphone in Tisiphone's room should be gruesome
analog sail
Crank the difficulty high enough and you fight all three in Tisi's room
forest marsh
Meg really isn't that bad, so that's a null there, but Alecto and Tissy would be interesting
obtuse tapir
I'd rather kill myself than have double Theseus
backed up by two Asteriuses and four chariots that keep respawning
analog sail
Man, double Thesius Wrath, that would be death.
obtuse tapir
Two Theseuses come up with a duo boon
forest marsh
Theseus but Monster Slayers style - he gets a duplicate of your build
plucky oxide
@forest marsh meant debuff, autocorrect thought otherwise!
forest marsh
Ah, gotcha
Yeah, it's honestly really easy to proc with every god having one
Obviously the ones with Status Curse as base boons will be easier than the Tier 2 ones
But still not difficult
analog sail
Even then, every time I find two Zeus boons the second one usually gets me jolted
Less so with Artemis, gotta say, but I forgive her
forest marsh
I wish you the best of luck in Elysium
Perfect clears are much harder there, I've found
obtuse tapir
I just wish the wave heads don't mess up with me
I don't have any defensive boon right now and honestly I'm worried
ok they did
had 3 in the last 6
wasn't a big deal though, only 46 damage taken in total
plucky oxide
good luck!!
obtuse tapir
killed by Theseus with Poseidon
That's my least favorite pattern from him
This saddens me
And I forgot to report this with F10
lyric folio
You can still report bugs with f10, as long as you link the screenshot
pastel jolt
20-ish seconds with a real busted build one time
analog sail
I feel like I've done it in under a minute with rail. Zeus attack, faster fire rate, jolted status, artemis 6% crit and hunter's mark.
Later that run I also got the Artemis Legendary and destroyed the Hydra in a couple of minutes.
Died to Theseus. Got too careless with chariots.
pastel jolt
i think it was the bow
like statistically speaking bow or spear would be most likely because i use them the most lmao
upbeat junco
Just completed a bow run and got a new record of 24:08 minutes
static skiff
The dash changes may have been the been the best changes yet.
manic ermine
It gives less of a bonus than are's urge to kill and is rng
The only consolation is that it can trigger mark which is absurdly good
pastel jolt
actually, urge to kill got a nudge from the nerfbat - it's 8/10/12% and can't be pommed higher
errant narwhal
wish me luck
low spade
༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ
i was wondering if i could stack bow's twin shot + rapid shot and luckily i got both in one run it was pretty fun xD devs pls no nerf 😦
pastel jolt
yeah, i had that combo once
and then realised how badly it screwed me over in terms of trying to stay out of range of theseus and asterius, lol
errant narwhal
cleared!! those boons made it easy
turbid needle
I don't think you needed luck with 4 DD and 303 hp / 450 max hp lol
errant narwhal
that amount of health with positive outlook really let me play as recklessly as i wanted
im no Pro Gamer, in this house we just tank damage
turbid needle
when it comes to that final boss fight
for me it's either almost die to theseus, or kill him without losing 1 DD
turbid needle
I was focusing him first...
but then, I realized it makes no sense kinda
since it's Theseus that is most problematic in the fight
not the Asterius
and I absolutely despise spear throws
manic ermine
Thats the reason I do focus theseus first, the faster he dies the safer the fight is
errant narwhal
i dont focus asterius first bc hes more problematic, i focus him first because i then i wont have to deal with him on top of the amount of stuff that theseus throws on you
i dont find the spear throws that bad, but i bet its bad to deal with both of them at once when theseus breaks out the god powers
lost rose
i always take asterius out first
when its Theseus Time i dont wanna have to worry that asterius is gonna leap out of somewhere and beat me to a pulp
errant narwhal
^exactly
low spade
i wouldn't imagine Theseus's second phase + Asterius alive
errant narwhal
also:
pseudo tapir
gratz
turbid needle
welll
ornate sundial
When the Boon-improving keepsake upgrades during the run IT REFRESHES its effect. Meaning if it's just upgraded, you get 1 more use of it. Is that intended?
turbid needle
When I kill Theseus first, Asterius tend to be like WTF and stay to take hits for a little bit like a CHAMP he is
then if u focus Asterius first he has that damn impreviousness on 1% hp
which is tilting me terribly
errant narwhal
he doesnt rlly do anything during that imperviousness tho, so just... hit him again? lol
turbid needle
Theseus does though, and the longer you fight, the worse it usually becomes
hard holly
Nah, they are too
Crit isnt
And anything that changes base damage or number of attacks isnt
turbid needle
yeah, so that makes fixed boons so much better really
turbid needle
I don't know about you but I feel that Blade is also quite strong