what's the hotkey called?
#h1-builds-and-combat
primal cape
lost rose
^it's select on controller but idk what it is on kbm
bold salmon
just hit escape then goto controls it tells you @primal cape
I switched it back to L2
lost rose
yeah, with the updates to the boon UI, they've turned it into a fullscreen type deal
that's where the chamber number is too
it took me a hot second to figure it out, i got confused about it on stream lol
bold salmon
I do wish the game paused when you opened it though
lost rose
yeah, same
primal cape
alright found it thank ya
lost rose
๐
elfin pulsar
so has anybody posted a speedrun record for the new patch?
bold salmon
Went through the Heat gate and got a epic but im not sure if i want it xD
wintry swan
Has anyone else noticed slowdowns with the latest patch?
elfin pulsar
dash and wrath are always great
lost rose
Yeah, there have been reports of slowdown, that's usually the case when a new patch drops - not optimized yet and all
wintry swan
makes sense
lost rose
Report heavy lag using F10
wintry swan
I'm doing a full lightning build and it is murdering my pc
bold salmon
I was thinking dash but that epic was making me second guess it UnBeared xP
lost rose
Yeah, for sure
lost rose
I imagine optimizing boon effects is gonna take a while since they are just kinda...you know, more graphically intensive haha
bold salmon
but thats cuz i have regular lightning, legendary lightning, and Poseidon splashes on a cluster bomb special xD
elfin pulsar
zeus stuff seems to tank FPS, especially with explosions
bold salmon
oh and Poseidon splashes on dash
why must the game give hammers and duo god rooms ๐ญ
stresses me out
Man im getting good boon rolls but im unsure what to pick ๐
elfin pulsar
what weapon?
atomic panther
Low tolerance is the DREAM
elfin pulsar
did you take the attack or dash last time?
atomic panther
That's one of the best duo boons imo (right behind fatal attraction and deadly reversal)
elfin pulsar
its kinda hard to hit people with the dash and the special, especially hitting them 8 times or whatever with the special
unless you get dio on ur weapon I think the wrath is the way to go
especially because it straight claps the two elysium goons
elfin pulsar
both of them are charmable and will beat each other up
elfin pulsar
yeah its completely broken with the aphro legendary
havent had it myself but thats what a couple ppl in here have said
bold salmon
So i went duo then got Dion for basic attack and splash dmg on it. I'm doing like 30 DOT now ๐
elfin pulsar
EZ
bold salmon
And i found a hammer ๐ค
Could really use some hearts though, cuz while my build is great im only at 50hp still xP
median ridge
i love it when i have a really good run with beefed up bow damage and deadly reversal and good blade rifts, and then the game crashes in elysium and i lose the whole save
really adds extra challenge to the game
gotta get good boons but not too good or else the fates will devour everything
forest marsh
Alright, after getting prog stopped with sword last night, I return today to actually get my sword run done in Elysium 
https://imgur.com/1CBxc1R
lost rose
damn, a 23 minute clear
forest marsh
No no, that wasn't on sword though
Actually, that might be a bug... shouldn't that only show best time for the weapon? 
atomic panther
It's always shown best overall time
forest marsh
Huh... guess I just never noticed
This was a crazy combination of Poseidon, Ares, and Aphrodite
Tempest Flourish was doing real work on both the enemies and my framerate
I should say, Tempest Flourish + Razor Shoals + Second Wave was doing work
median ridge
i had artemis dash, triple shot and perfect shot, athena on attack and deadly reversal.....i was living
forest marsh
That sounds glorious
median ridge
this is the first time i've had the game just outright quit on me before
usually the visuals crash first
elfin pulsar
nice
how often do you get chaos gates in elysium? i've seen literally 1 in about 10 runs
not counting the few purchasable at wells I guess
hoping to see some
elfin pulsar
love that egg, its my act 1 go-to
forest marsh
I don't usually take it, though it is nice
elfin pulsar
too boring for me taking god keepsakes, feels too homogenized
with the egg I never know what I'll end up on, and not taking damage from gates is nice too
spice turret
So, has anybody actually done a 120 heat run on the new patch yet?
forest marsh
Not sure... I know Curl was attempting some earlier, but I had to go to class so I missed the result
elfin pulsar
most i've seen posted here is 60 but at least one person was talking about doing 100, dont know if they won
forest marsh
I suspect someone like Rynth or Curl will do it soon if they haven't already. Maybe Wingblade, seems pretty capable at 
runs
CovertMuffin, too
bold salmon
My dash does more dmg than all my attacks o-0
elfin pulsar
looked through curls vod and he didnt get it on stream today but I think your right, one of them should get it in a couple days at most
unkempt pagoda
first win of the new update! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187458596559257600/575846934342926336/Hades_00012.png
carmine zinc
forest marsh
It was a lucky AR run with Flurry and Explosive hammers
The 23 minute run, I mean. I presume that is what you meant. Attack was Artemis with the accompanying crit buffs
hard holly
Ah
Ive not had much luck with upgrading flurry rail with regular damage up
Always feels weaker than using Dio or Zeus
spice turret
So, I realized much earlier that the thing that makes high heat runs so hard for me is the fact that armor makes me unable to stagger enemies? And yet, for some reason, I only just decided it might be worth it to try the armor shredder shield hammer?
I love it
bold salmon
-_-
i genuinely dont know how i can do this duo boss any better
They nerfed the first 2 bosses, which are too easy now, and this last boss seems impossible
wintry swan
Whoooaaa
the thing that extends the duration of the well effects
also extends the yarn of adrianne
daaang
it may actually be worth taking now
atomic panther
It does not extend yarn of ariadne bc that isn't room based
wintry swan
It does now
wait
unless I'm an idiot
one sec
Nope it does now extend it
just got another boon and my yarn is at 1
it started at 3
Try it out, seemed to work for me
Now if it works for the chaos gate spawner then Ima just take it for my first relic. Will have to try next time.
primal cape
what triggers the new perk on mirror upgrade?
hard holly
Curses
Stuff like Weak, Doom, Sick, etc. etc.
Every god has their own
Some apply on every attack (Ares, Dio and Aphrodite) others need extra boons
If an enemy has 2, they take more damage
grizzled elm
There's a little icon over the HP when they have 2+ curses too
grizzled elm
It matches the icon next to the upgrade in the mirror I believe
primal cape
Yeah I noticed the icon (it does match mirror) I just wasn't sure what would proc it
hard holly
Well, each of the curses has their own name
spice turret
Well, I finally got to the hydra fight on 120
hard holly
So youll see most of them
Outside of Ares, Dio and Aphrodite, they all have their own boon
Requiring you to fulfill a condition to put them on the enemy
spice turret
Razor shoals for Poseidon
grizzled elm
A lot of old effects are now curses, and then some new ones for gods who didn't have them
Jolted for Zeus
hard holly
Exposed for Athena, Marked for Artemis
I think thats all of them?
Some are obviously noticable
grizzled elm
I haven't seen a single Arty boon since the update
grizzled elm
It's rough. I think I'm at like 1 win out of 8 attempts
bold salmon
Sounds like me and athena Loss
opaque merlin
Use the shield and just charge back and forth through them
I killed them on my first attempt that way, and have beefed it with basically every attempt with another weapon since
Pun slightly intended
grizzled elm
I've had the best luck with the Rail special so far
hard holly
Well, it all depends on what pattern Theseus gets
Id suggest killing Theseus first because he is the more annoying of the 2, but he is also much harder to kill
If you have Doom, Sick or Exit wounds, it gets a lot easier, as blocking does not prevent you from applying them
If you do not, wait for him to do either of his attacks, dodge behind him, and hit him a couple times
Though I guess if you dont have any of those 3, killing the Minotaur first is probably easier
So scratch that first bit unless you have one of those 3
grizzled elm
Yeah, my win was with Aphro + Ares duo, and Aphro dash
hard holly
Beyond that, save your Wraths for damage avoidance if theyre any of the invulnerable ones
And be patient
Their attacks are all relatively easy to dodge
grizzled elm
Just kept a constant 150 Doom hitting him
fluid moat
getting athena wrath makes the fight a lot more manageable
hard holly
With his spear throw putting a mark on you
fluid moat
just get athena wrath and do whatever you want ๐
hard holly
And his melee attack being fairly slow of a windup
Oh and the minotaurs charge
That one is annoying
Only stops if he hits a wall
Try to stand in front of a pillar, dodge through him close to him reaching you, so he can stop
grizzled elm
I have trouble seeing the startup of the melee attack with so much happening in the fight
fluid moat
there are audio cues you can listen to for various attacks, but yeah keeping distance until you get used to the stuff that can happen is a good idea
hard holly
Oh yeah, the minotaurs slam has a really long distance
So be wary of that
I think Ive covered everything now?
grizzled elm
Yeah I fight him from range as much as possible, just a general statement about his melee. I find his spear much easier to dodge at this point
hard holly
Right, its slower, but safer
Well see if his block gets toned down a little
I hope so
grizzled elm
Same
I'd almost rather it was just heavy damage resistance instead of 100% block
But that might be a little too much
wintry swan
I'd do some sort of guard break thing
Do x amount of damage in y time and it breaks for a sec
quaint gale
Covert, have you done anything with 120 heat this patch yet?
spice turret
Okay, so can confirm, Yarn of Ariadne works with Charon's Hourglass
Also, I'm starting to think coinpurse might be underrated
Like, it's done good stuff for me, and I've only got it at first level
grizzled elm
It's good to grab once, now that you can swap twice
forest marsh
Gods, Twin Shot is awful in Elysium. I don't normally like it, but it's exacerbated there
plucky oxide
I didn't have a problem with it when I ran through Elysium, but I also had deflect on it.
quaint gale
the longspears just get to freely murder you in Elysium at close range
shadow heath
i definitely feel like the game has gotten easier since I last played. does anyone else feel that way?
otherwise I'll just chalk it up to starting enter the gungeon
also, mirage flight + exploding special on the shield is just absolute murder. i can clear trove trials in ten seconds
plucky oxide
Your knowledge of the game increases every time you play, so that learning curve continues to climb up. I'll also say mechanical skill kind of sits with you for a good while, even after you stop playing the game for a short bit. In puzzle games, or on hard levels of action games, stepping away and returning later usually results in me having an easier time than I remember, mostly because my brain's able to digest it.
shadow heath
yeah makes sense. i usually suck after taking a month off from a game
now im just dumping heat into the pact
subtle shale
so I just came back after a successful first run on Theseus and literally every single suggestion for him managed to roll for me by complete accident
Athena Wrath, Blight Wine Attack, Doom Special with Stygian Blade, and I got both Flurry Blades and Empowered Nova from the hammer
couldn't have asked for a better run tbh
shadow heath
incredible
shadow heath
dude ocean's bounty rolled for me too and i had like 1000 obol by the end of it
subtle shale
yeah it's one of those boons that's trash if you get it late
but it makes things a breeze early
One time I got it literally the room before the Hydra and I was like "lol thanks"
I'm also LOVING how sword special feels now
between seamless sword combos and the new dash melee has never felt smoother imo
elfin pulsar
niceeee
does she get harder from frenzy than the other 2 or is she still the easiest?
also with epic (possibly weaker too) sure footing you can now dash in lava indefinitely, taking zero damage
very nice with sword
spice turret
Honestly... I didn't play her long at normal speed to know?
All I know is that she telegraphs well enough for me to dodge most of her attacks
3 times making it to hydra, now
twice?
I think it's still twice
wintry swan
Is 120 max heat right now?
forest marsh
120 is the max that there is a reward for
I think the most you can currently apply is 200
spice turret
Guys...
We goin' nuts over here
Light of Ixion, and bone hourglass
Chaos is gonna be like 'wow, he's sure visiting a lot.'
lost rose
they're gonna be so happy
spice turret
change of plans, I'm almost dead already, so I might not even get to take the second gate
twilit niche
Soooooo wtf is with the elysium archers
it seems impossible to dodge their attacks and deflect timing has to be perfect and insanely precise
heady zephyr
you gotta dodge right when the crosshair finishes homing in on you
it'll turn a deeper shade of pink
it might not be a bad idea to add like a warning tone or something when they're locked on
mellow aurora
hey what does privileged status do? what does it mean by at least two curse status effects?
spice turret
Like, if they're Weak (from Aphrodite), and they have Ares' curse on them, you deal more damage to them
But with any of the effects like that
So Poseidon's razor shoals, or Sick from Dionysus, etc.
mellow aurora
weird
median ridge
sigh......another promising run lost to a game crash
spice turret
Oof
mellow aurora
wow i hope that doesnt happen to me
hollow minnow
I beat the Hydra on normal today, trying to see if I could reach Elysium's boss--I BARELY survived the Hydra, using up all my DD's...odd how it somehow was easy on 60 heat for me yesterday, yet tonight on /normal/ it was super difficult....that doesn't make much sense, does it? Anyone have any ideas? Has this happened to anyone, or was it just plain luck?? I got to Chamber 37 of Elysium this time, yay!!!! 3 more than yesterday! Those Chariot enemies are so scary the first time! Isn't that place beautiful, though?! ๐ And I LOVE the guys who turn into those eyeball-like things, and you have to stop them from reforming before they reach their fallen sword!! That is SUCH a creative concept!!! ๐ ๐
lost rose
a bad build can make the hydra feel MUCH harder
I took a bunch of hits the first time in Elysium because i kept staring at the scenery, haha
forest marsh
Ugh, tell me about it. I had a 60 run today with the AR that just wasn't gelling... Died in the Hydra fight at 35 minutes
I was glad to see it end, honestly
Probably should've just given up earlier when it wasn't coming together 
placid plinth
Just had a great run (Rail triple special with Artemis) with +275% darkness from boons - and then lost it to a crash on Elysium :c
Crash that I can't even report because it crashed the game completely without even showing report window, just stopped responding
forest marsh
The perils of early access 
With any luck they'll push a patch soon to address some of the prog stops and performance issues that have been widely reported
mellow aurora
omg i cleared asphodel first try! 
wait no
i mean elysiem
its shorter than i thought itd be
obtuse tapir
It's not really long in terms of the # of rooms but I think it takes really long since the enemies there are much tougher and resilient to damage
plus if you happen to encounter the minotaur mini-boss well you're gonna have a looong fight
heady zephyr
ok good, i'm not the only one getting crashes
spice turret
Okay! I beat hydra at 120 heat
lost rose
nice!!
spice turret
Now.. Elysium
And I've only run it once.
At 0 heat
This is gonna go bad
Aw beans, and I was gonna equip Sysiphus' keepsake to test it out here, but I forgot
Went with collar instead
Aaand died room one
Welp.
obtuse tapir
Am I the only one who thinks that Artemis crit boons are a bit underwhelming
Say I get 15% chance of crit
then the expected damage output is 85% * 1 + 15% * 3 = 130%
and this doesn't feel super exciting
Well this doesn't sound too terrible once I've written down like this
but the one that gives "every damage has some chance of being critical"...
this one looks really terrible because the chance is too low
I remember that it was like <5%
that becomes 95% * 1 + 5% * 3 = 110%
forest marsh
If memory serves the Attack is 15% and Special is 20% crit chance. Pressure Points is 4/5/6% crit chance on all damage
Hunter's Mark adds another 20-30% or something like that to your crit chance, too
I like Artemis, personally
And you still get an Attack buff along with it
Or Special, whichever the case may be
spice turret
Whoof, 2nd hydra at 120 heat dead
Shield with turbo rush, poseidon buffs, and an athena dash
Mwah
median ridge
i think iโm getting better at understanding elysium....i went into it with a really bad build (didnโt even get an attack or special or cast boon at all until halfway through asphodel) but still managed to pull through
athenaโs death defy buff with the improved health resto is so good for theseus
with my massive health pool thatโs 186 hp gotten back for each death defy
spice turret
Okay, so, 600 damage on falling rubble with Sysiphus' keepsake...
At tier 1
With regenerating columns that can fall multiple times
I think this might be halfway viable
So... What makes Zeus worth getting for, like, the attack buffs?
Does it do splash damage
proud storm
I like to have zeus on the rail's attack
pastel jolt
one of these days iโll work out something easier to bind the railโs reload to than the stick click
i would put it on the back button but i use that for screenshot
spice turret
So...
500 damage poseidon wrath
120 heat hydra, no death defiance used! We're getting somewhere
Of course, I still die near instantly in elysium, but even so
ocean halo
yeah new dmg for Poseidon's wrath is crazy
spice turret
And now, it's almost 5 AM, so I'm going to bed
ocean halo
Haven't seen Ares's wrath on new patch yet, is it buffed too ?
pastel jolt
oh my god, i've been missing out all this time
i thought ares's curses still worked in the sense of "if you keep attacking, it'll never actually go off"
i am.... a fool
pastel jolt
so far this build has been really fun but owwwww i'm down to 1 death defy and i'm not even at the hydra
i'm really, really out of practice with the sword attack i guess
well that's a thing.
proud storm
a power move is to reroll charon's shop into a room with like, coins
if thats still possible
grand patrol
hfhjfhj anticharon
pastel jolt
artemis boon, food, and a pom
oh also i love this build so much
ares attack + aphro dash + duo + flurry blade + dire misfortune
i've been able to stack the curse up to doing 150 damage a pop because i'm attacking so fast
the Dream would be picking up sweet surrender but the shop aphrodite i just got did not have it :(
epic aphro special or normal aphro wrath, what do you reckon?
i've never really played around with aphrodite's wrath ๐ค
and i'm not really using my special that much....
knotty trail
heady zephyr
aphro wrath can be blocked by shield elysians, which suuuuuucks
but yeah it's a lifesaver of a wrath overall
pastel jolt
i picked it and then immediately swapped it for poseidon wrath, oops
i've never been in a situation before where i've debated between taking longer weak duration or more damage to weak, lmao
you'd think more damage is a no-brainer but, like... longer weak might actually work really well since i'm rocking that ares duo
on the flipside i have it on my dash, which means i'm constantly applying it anyway
upbeat junco
What do you guys think is the new best build for spear after the patch, or is special still the best. Also on the topic of spear special, today I did a run with it and I did managed to beat Theseus and Mino with said build and during the run I realized how big the nerfs were. Maxing backstab at +50% basically halved the specials main damage output and then the base damage nerfs basically made it a not ideal pick over other weapons. Do you think the nerfs were too much or what?
pastel jolt
welp, wish me luck
AUGH
i hate theseus SO MUCH
it's SO HARD to get a hit in on him
i had asteius down and theseus to maybe a third and i just couldn't land a hit because when he wasn't blocking everything he was throwing a spear directly at my face that i had to try and dodge
dying against theseus is just so demoralizing
it doesn't help that this was a really, really fun build, and yet it got stonewalled by theseus and his dumb idiot shield for babies
olive abyss
what's the highest boon rarity? Heroic or Legendary?
pearl merlin
Legendary, i have only gotten one legendary ever and i have recieved probably 9 heroics before
pastel jolt
legendary isn't technically a rarity
legendary boons are special in that you need certain other boons to 'unlock' them first; a regular boon's never going to show up all shiny and orange
olive abyss
aaaa
this explains that
it's kinda like a Duo boon but with only one god
The Poseidon one is really fun
"second wave, your knock away effects shove foes a second time after the first"
i'm pinballing all the mobs with a shield throw it's reat
lost rose
quick elysium clear with the sword...ares and aphrodite is an extremely overpowered combo
lost rose
I'M SORRY SPARROW
hard holly
Wait, with instant nova?
subtle shale
I have yet to experience Theseusโ shield shenanigans because I had both Ares and Dio boons when I reached him
Is it really that bad
hard holly
Im honestly surprised the filter doesnt catch that typo
subtle shale
Oh wow
I didnโt even notice it until you said something
Iโm surprised now too
Thatโs what I get for thinking my phoneโs autocorrect would ever be helpful
west wren
do i just generally go for the higher rarity boons?
since theyre more effective and build around that?
wet turret
Hello, everyone!, I really do not know if this is the right channel to mention this, if I'm wrong, please let me know.
I would like to suggest to change the sound effect when your wrath power is about to ran out. Sometimes when I land into a room where I must survive for a few seconds, in the last seconds I can hear a bell, that tells me that the time is running out and I'm about to finish the room. But I've encounter sometimes that I'm using a wrath power such as Ares' daggers one and I get confused if it is the Wrath power that is going to ran out or if it is the room time that is running out.
it distracts me, and sometimes it makes back up a little bit from the monsters when I still have a few seconds to keep damaging them with my Wrath.
Again, it's just a suggestion and again, I really do not know if this is the right channel ๐
grand patrol
thats a good point! you should put this in the #hades-feedback channel. please read the pins of that channel to learn how to post there!
west wren
is it just me or when looking at grim inevitability i thought -100% means like if healing 10 i would heal 5 or 0 because i thought it was 5 lmao
wet turret
Oh, alright!, thanks!
forest marsh
Nah, I thought it was clear that it's based on your overall healing
green birch
Healing 5 would be -50%
green birch
Thatโs how it be sometimes
west wren
the return shield explosion is hella op
somber epoch
i think i could win a run with Dashing Wallop blindfolded by this point
subtle shale
the Greatshield ranged attack is nuts
rustic field
hey is charons boon supposed to work with ariadne or not?
cause it worked earlier for me today but it didnt work now
i thought they changed it this patch but maybe that first time was just a bug
indigo compass
u mean the keepsake, and the yarn doesent have a chamber count
static skiff
Theseus is quite an annoyance.
obtuse tapir
The redesigned waves sure are big
static skiff
but the enemies of the new area tilt me beyon belief.
Wish there was a place where I could fight them individually without any danger so I could train against them but oh well, time for another run I suppose.
subtle shale
The greatshields always catch me off guard when there are multiple of them
Their two hit combo hits like a truck
plucky oxide
That shield spin move wrecks me. Once I'm more comfortable fighting the boss I'll switch to using the new keepsake for the last act, specifically for the shield enemies.
modest birch
I finally beat Theseus with his Poseidon variation or whatever it's called. 7+ Death defiances with the Dionysus boon on the adamant rail do wonders. And that dialogue with Hades ๐ ... A shame there isn't anything else in the House.
subtle shale
Well yeah how do you think Theseus got so strong in the first place
Skelly is only using 2% of his power whenever he trains somebody
lime ingot
I love how the dialogue is self aware that it's in development xD
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/576110354652856330/unknown.png
First elyisum clear with heat! And only 7 seconds short of my best time, too!
placid plinth
O N G O I N G
R E N O V A T I O N S
analog sail
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550317561707888670/576111980872597506/Hades_00010.png
With this much health I can believe Zag just walked back to the house as dying would have taken longer.
pastel jolt
god, i'm jealous of everyone who can actually clear elysium
proud storm
do it for the beefy boys
atomic panther
Curse of Longing is broken, honestly
north junco
i just started and boy am i bad
hollow totem
Elysium is light work as long as you dont get the spear boys
Or the bow boys
Or sheild boys
Or sword boys
subtle shale
so Elysium is fine as long as you don't fight literally anything
tbh the shield and spear guys give me the most trouble due to their range and ability to block stuff
sword boys can be stunlocked if you're aggressive enough and bow boys require line of sight so you can play whack a mole with them kind of
unless they're armored in which case RIP
deep vault
bowed boys in elysium are literally the worst
talking about that
where the heck are the GALS
ocean halo
mb there are some
you just cant see under armor
By now im pretty fine with all exalted enemies except archers
I just cant get their timing right, its so frustrating.
Even the shieldguys are not that big of a problem now, but damn those archers
obtuse tapir
I also find it difficult to avoid archer attacks
mostly because two of the possible directions are not helpful at avoiding the arrows
plucky oxide
Playing with line of sight and picking my battles has been super awesome for me in Elysium, but playing safe also racks up a lot of time spent in each run. It's challenging! Waiting to have a few more runs in Elysium before I call anything unfair. I feel like I'm still learning.
hard holly
Eh, I find the exalted are very manageable after a couple of fights against them
Theyre excellent enemy designs, that includes their patterns being fairly easy to learn
latent badger
whats the normal drop time for the cast?
atomic panther
I think it's 10 seconds to drop, and another 15 seconds to auto-return
obtuse merlin
holy moley whoever said exploding exploding shield was good yesterday wasn't kidding halved my run time to 23 minutes and dropped last boss in under a minute o.O
latent badger
@atomic panther ty
obtuse merlin
easily the most op build I've had so far
proud storm
died against theseus in my rail run ๐
"maybe i'll finish this under 20 minutes if i just keep shooting" i said like a fool
plucky oxide
Rail has been so tough against Theseus. Some of my roughest and longest runs, saved by hammer upgrades and late game boons. If your boons aren't working for you on rail, it's so roughhhh. That, and Theseus' shield. I hear special on rail is just considered better than attack now.
proud storm
i picked zeus specifically for that run
problem is that i only saw zeus like two times the entire run
obtuse merlin
did you spend your fated authority on boss room?
proud storm
...you can do that???
obtuse merlin
on the bomber one yes
proud storm
oh
proud storm
it wasnt any of the gods i wanted
obtuse merlin
*garanteed god boon
proud storm
i just went stupid and put dio on my special so that at least id be able to use privileged status with zeus
raven lintel
@obtuse merlin twas me lol, isn't it just bonkers?
broken yarrow
just finished my first elysium run, 350 hp and 6 death defiances helped ๐
obtuse merlin
@raven lintel totally will def get nerfed I think
raven lintel
I think it will too
obtuse merlin
@broken yarrow congrats!
raven lintel
grats lettuce!
broken yarrow
athena and dionysius are the 2 best gods right now imo
obtuse merlin
thanks for the tip @raven lintel , that was fun I like the weird timing element of the build too where you have to be aggro jumping into crowds waiting for your shield to come back
broken yarrow
so much utility and power
no bad buffs really
whenever I tried to high roll with artemis I always ended up with the wrong buffs
obtuse merlin
I had an amazing cast focused one
if you get a chaos gate or two as well its pretty punchy
but you have to be a bit lucky for sure
broken yarrow
yeah I would get close to a cast build but either would stop seeing artemis or she would only offer attack/special buffs at that point
I've been having some good results with thanatos keepsake but I think there must be a better one for me
only getting it up to 35% by the end, not the best at avoiding damage
obtuse merlin
thanatos is so restricting I try to mix it up and pick god boons / skelly or what I need as I get to a next section
if am trying to get a build together god boon one is usually my pick for asphodel
bright verge
I've opened a new save, and tried to escape from the underworld 20 times, and started seeing the insane furies from the death die dying update, but didn't see Thanatos yet even once. is it normal? I really want to know this character, but I just never see him, it's quite disappointing ๐ฆ
spice turret
WHoof. Just beat buffed Alecto without dashing, because of a chaos boon
In fairness, I had shield, so bullrush, but still
hushed monolith
spice turret
I mean, me too. But I'm going in heavy on shield main attack, so I figured if I could make it, it'd be worth it
short shale
The new dash feels so much better and way easier to understand where i'm gonna end up
spice turret
Beat hydra, but I'm out of death defiance
Okay, so I'll be rich in a few chambers....
But my move speed is cut in half
Let's do it
worthy dust
Just got my first clear of 15 heat and the new area simultaneously ๐
https://imgur.com/a/yyDcZ8f came in with nearly full HP, and 4 death defiance
spice turret
Nice!
worthy dust
build was pretty sick tbh XD
hollow minnow
I just beat the Bull of Minos on my first try!!!! ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ Can anyone tell me what he said after getting defeated?!?! I accidentally skipped the dialogue by pure accident!!!!
atomic panther
He typically says something along the lines of "We'll meet again soon"
worthy dust
Woops! COngrats though!
hollow minnow
thanks!!!!! He was so cool! Although I can't imagine Elysium on Heat though. so I'm doing normal to experience the place fully ๐
Arg I can't believe I missed! Won't let me reload the save either, just "gve up" which I DEFINITELY don't wanna do
pastel jolt
missed what? the dialogue?
hollow minnow
yeah!
after you defeat him he says something but I accdiently pressed on the space bar, skipping it.
worthy dust
The first time I had fought him solo was after fighting him with his pal, so I think I got a different voice line.
pastel jolt
"Well fought. Though, your technique pales in comparison to that of the Champion of Elysium. I expect you'll soon see for yourself." if it's the first time beating him and you haven't encountered theseus yet
hollow minnow
ohhh thank you!!! ๐
hollow minnow
I hate to miss out on stuff ๐
It looked like he said a pretty long paragraph but that'll do ...
TY!
hard holly
I did have a fairly ridiculous build
Crit after nova, 2 buffs on special damage, 2 buffs on dash attack damage, 2 buffs on attack damage (including the highest value), and Athenas wrath
And of course
5 minutes after I win that
The Nova upgrade gets nerfed
broken yarrow
I've managed to do elysium on 50 heat so far
anyone else had the bug with shield where it sticks in mid-air and won't return? not sure where I should report that
worthy dust
Yeah I had the nova giving crits thing too. was quite good
spice turret
Wait, what? I just left the house, and clicked dash just as I hit, and it popped up 'perfect landing'
Is that... Just a thing, now?
old rivet
Is it normal that the gun disappears after you dash and then only appears again when u atack?
hard holly
All weapons do that
old rivet
never realised lol
mighty ermine
@spice turret yeah, that's been a thing! as far as we know, it changes the general seed of the run compared to if you were to land normally (i think)
spice turret
Weird. Any reason for it, or just for fun?
spice turret
I mean, I died almost immediately that run, so... Maybe not?
mighty ermine
not better in any obvious capacity, just a reroll
old rivet
oh ok
elfin pulsar
thats really useful actually, I had two runs crash in a row and having to replay the seed was quite boring
hollow minnow
AHHHH I beat Theusus and the Minotaur on my first try!!!!! It feels SURREAL after initially struggling with the Hydra so much!!!! YAAAAAY!
grand patrol
WHOAAA CONGRATS!!!
hollow minnow
THANKS!!!!! ๐ ๐ ๐ it feels AWESOME!!!
lyric folio
What a player, congrats!
hollow minnow
(although I think I'll take a break before attempting any heat, for now ๐ ๐ )
Aw! Thanks WingBeef!!!!!
hollow minnow
I LOOOVE all the new abilities they added, they're so helpful in stay-alive-ability ๐
LOL, that's true, it is!
hollow minnow
I'm going to watch the NoClip thing in their newsletter to reward myself ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ I can't believe I did it! I love the bro-fist relasionship Thesues and the Bull have going on, especially represented on the floor of the arena ๐ ๐
calm sable
They have a good bit of dialogue about it haha
hollow minnow
๐
elfin pulsar
is the zeus+aretemis duo any good? 20 extra damage on a crit seems kinda bad, especially compared to clean kill
quaint gale
oo, they fixed the exalted souls escaping the arena. time to try instant deflecting nova again
mighty ermine
just had an absolutely bonkers zeus-centric rail run https://i.imgur.com/BIVaT59.jpg
both the legendary AND artemis/zeus duo...
exotic helm
why can't I post in the feedback channel?
elfin pulsar
did you read the pin?
exotic helm
read it, still no luck ๐ฆ
forest marsh
Then you need to read it more carefully, the instructions are in the pinned messages in #hades-feedback
exotic helm
oh darn, you're right, the bot command lol. Thank you.
forest marsh
No problem
lyric path
Finally got my first win after 3 attempts! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514978582305570867/576176394648682517/unknown.png
Aphrodite + Dionysus = win.
forest marsh
Congrats!
lyric path
Thanks
"Just then, erm... let's say a very small, very deadly beetle landed upon hydra-slaying Zagreus."
Not even mad, that's great!
hard holly
Oh, a hammer in the first room, nice
And of course, it has both of the spin upgrades
Ive had one hammer in 12 that didnt have both spin upgrades
elfin pulsar
had a great run with double spin upgrade, quick spin is the important one
hard holly
Ive gotten either of those in 1 hammer in 12
autumn tapir
athena's dash is so much better now that there is no pause
minor ice
Yeah, I've taken quick spin before, I just find myself not using it at all.
elfin pulsar
its pretty horrendously bad vs death insurance
otherwise I like hitting the spawns with it, nice way to start a fight
elfin pulsar
super weapon and build dependent IMO
with fast weapon that can break it easy its one of the easiest ones to deal with
like sword
minor ice
huh
tbh I can't play sword
It's just beyond me. LAst patch I was reliably winning almost every run at 50 heat
on anything but sword lmao
elfin pulsar
def recommend trying sword again if you haven't already, feels really nice now
minor ice
Did they change it this patch significantly?
Even when it was fast, I had so much trouble using it and giving up the range
elfin pulsar
between the faster special and the better dash it feels really smooth and bursty
minor ice
ok interesting
Might give it a try
I've been learning all the enemies and whatnot on like 10 heat.
Just because I love purple boons.
elfin pulsar
same lol
just started trying to get 60 done on all of them and giving up the boon levels hurts the most
minor ice
I have no idea if 120 heat is... possible?
forest marsh
Someone said they did 120 earlier, but I haven't seen footage of any 120 runs myself
minor ice
I'd assume you just crank damage and dodge right?
forest marsh
I'm certain it's possible
hollow minnow
It seems ruddy impossible to me!!!!!
forest marsh
It's just difficult
elfin pulsar
as of yesterday I hadn't seen any proof of ppl finishing it, but there were some clearing 180 last time so its gotta be not too utterly impossible
minor ice
Yeah I'm jsut curious cuz like, I coulda seen myself getting to 75 p consistently
If I keep playing like I have been
but beyond that I just don't know what you'd do other than abusing athena's boons
elfin pulsar
get heavy slug + infinite chamber
runs in the bag at that point, doesn't matter what pact you have
elfin pulsar
those two combine to make a regular rail attack with +800% damage
obviously super inconsistent but pretty hilarious
elfin pulsar
explosive shot and perfect shot (iirc) do something similar too
minor ice
rapid fire with athena on the special is effed up
elfin pulsar
as shield or you mean bow?
elfin pulsar
does it have a rapid fire hammer now? i know it lost assault flight
minor ice
idk if that was it, mighta been tbh
It wasn't a fun one to get
IT was just super cheesy on occasiona
elfin pulsar
the one that made it not bounce but was faster
minor ice
basically I'd run it with athena and artemis and get the duo to well
elfin pulsar
i liked it personally, felt like a diablo build or something lol
minor ice
forever proc crits with auto aim lmao
elfin pulsar
yeah sounds gross
minor ice
Nasty af
But it's like, at that point you're not playing a game
you're just pressing y as fast as you can lmao
elfin pulsar
sounds like winning tbh
minor ice
Maybe. My last run was Zeus with Extended Jab on spear and boy was it ridiculous
lost rose
oh that's not what i want to hear
elfin pulsar
went in there with 250 health and 3 DDs and died when they were at 60%/10%
lost rose
The Minotaur: increased speed and damage of Bull Rush; other minor changes
elfin pulsar
didnt even get to wrath phase
starting to think the strategy is to kill minotaur ASAP and ignore theseus entirely
the go-karts are much easier to deal with than this new monstrosity
lost rose
hahaha that's what i've been doing, glad it's apparently the better idea now
hard holly
Ok, so, after playing a bit with it
elfin pulsar
yeah I've liked getting theseus to around 50% before killing bull but its sketchy now
hard holly
The change to multipliers actually means that Spear Special is kinda bad now
elfin pulsar
do things that increase attack also increase dash attack damage?
lost rose
i believe so, yeah
elfin pulsar
yup just tested, neat
hard holly
Yup, attack increases translate to damage up on all things you activate with the attack button
elfin pulsar
makes sense
latent badger
whats explosive launcher?
latent badger
oh yeah that one is pretty good
soft ermine
are the legendary boons just rng and you can get then at any time or do they unlock after a certain point?
elfin pulsar
the latter, check the wiki for each god for the requirements
you need a certain series of boons
sweet pilot
OOF 28 health left with no death defies...that was a close one...1st victory against those beef cakes
i'm sweating over here...
forest marsh
Congrats!
elfin pulsar
rip
i had a decent run with multi-skewer and zeus special
went fine until new theseus who clapped me bigly
hard holly
Its damage is just so low
Now that damage is additive
Base damage is really important
And Spears, while not as bad as Shields, is still bad
elfin pulsar
i've been bashing my head against these guys at just 200% damage and its hellish, that sounds real rough
his charge is actually scary now, cant just outrun it
raven lintel
i'm more terrified of leaping attack
i never remember the projectiles it spawns and they get me every time
basically all of elysium is just the worst on 500% lol
here goes the final boss with no death defiances lol
gods give me strength!
latent badger
eek. Im staying at normal. I like winning
hard holly
How in the world do I keep getting 2+ Chaos gates per run
Without a single one of them having the boon I want
kind fiber
@hard holly Because the good boons are out numbered by bad boons?
Is there a list of the new boons and hammer effects?
hard holly
I mean, there are, what, 8 effects?
To miss on 2 good ones 3 times in a row is not very likely
To do so multiple times in a row, less so
kind fiber
8 effects?
kind fiber
Dash attack, attack, special, cast + damage, cast count, +gold, +darkness, +health
Probably more
+rare boon occurance
Is +darkness still a thing?
kind fiber
I'm pretty sure there are more
It seems unlikely to get any specific thing that you want
hard holly
Defiance, and thats it
kind fiber
Theres probably some sort of weighting system behind it as well
You probably can't get three + damage options for example
hard holly
You can
hard holly
Also man Im sad that Spear Special is not good anymore
hard holly
20% damage amp and 50% chance to crit on return, bounce between enemies with 30% extra damage on each bounce and 80% damage amp and faster fire rate and explosion but no return portion
The explosion one is probably the best one and its kinda bad
kind fiber
80% damage amp and faster fire rate? is that combined with the explosion one or are they two seperate ones?
kind fiber
Can you stack it with the special that bounces?
hard holly
But your damage is really low
No idea, but my guess is no
Like, I had a pretty nasty crit build
And each of the spears at most crit for like 300
kind fiber
Yeah, that seems bad
hard holly
Which is fine and all, but when my heavy slug does more damage with a lot less effort, thats kinda not good
kind fiber
Does anyone know where I can find a list of the new boons + new hammers?
If such a list has been constructed yet
fluid moat
the wiki would be the place I guess, but they haven't updated it yet
there were a lot of changes in the previous update, so it might take a bit
kind fiber
Wiki isn't up to date atm
fluid moat
correct
obtuse tapir
The explosion one is fine when your aim is bad (like me)
hard holly
It does help with that I imagine
But after hitting the minotaur for several minutes only to die because I got hit two times, when with the sword I breezed through
forest marsh
Well, that was an experiment that I won't repeat... I figured it might be the case but I wanted to check to make sure. Shotgun-rail will only apply 1 chain lightning per enemy hit, so it's 100% a downgrade to take the Spread Fire hammer if you have Zeus on attack
hard holly
It just feels bad, yknow?
In general I feel the change to additive messed up a bit more than it solved
Attacks with high base damage, like spin, worlsplitter, bull rush etc. Are so much better than ones with low base damage now
forest marsh
It's certainly widened the gap, yeah
Zeus is still real nice on Rail, though (just don't take Spread Fire). Doubles your damage at Common
hard holly
And upgrades that increase the number of hits drastically outpace ones that just give damage
Yeah, Zeus and Rail is good
Kills your frames tho
forest marsh
So does any particle effect right now. Aphrodite Wrath seems to have taken a framerate dive too. I didn't have issues with it before this patch, but every time I activate it now it's chop-city
hard holly
Mmh
forest marsh
Probably should've reported it, but my mind is fuzzy right now, been a long day and week
Next time...
hard holly
Man I hate that I'm so negative, but Spear special going from a little overtuned to outright trash makes me sad
forest marsh
I look forward to the polish phase after all the main content is in. I imagine there will be much more focus on balance at that point, since the full scope of the game will better dictate what needs permanent fixes and what is just broken for early access
forest marsh
Not to say it can't be fixed now...
hard holly
But the gap between high and low base damage needs to be looked at
forest marsh
Just, y'know, priorities. I'm sure if there's enough feedback about it that it will get addressed soon
forest marsh
That's fair
hard holly
Plus at least shield and it's delicious bullrush upgrades is there to brighten the day
forest marsh
I still need to try the Power Shot shield...
hard holly
It's amazing
forest marsh
I should do some shield runs when I'm back in a good headspace
plucky oxide
I really like the sniper rail. It completely saved a terrible railgun run for me.
forest marsh
It is quite good
plucky oxide
Dash attacking with it resulted in really low accuracy overall. I'm not sure why. Something feels off, and my bullets never seem to aim where I'm shooting.
I think, when not dashing and firing, Zag keeps reaiming. When dash firing, he chooses an angle to fire, but Zag keeps moving, resulting in a lot of near misses.
forest marsh
I'm not a fan of the reduced accuracy that they gave the AR... It doesn't do enough damage at base level to justify missing some shots
plucky oxide
That and the lack of reliable stagger^
forest marsh
I haven't had issues with Heavy Slug hitting 95% of the time, though. Using auto aim with controller, if that makes a difference
plucky oxide
I'm using auto aim with keyboard and mouse. 95% accurate when standing still. Around 45% accurate with dash attacks. Didn't seem to like recorrrecting after my initial click when dash attacking
forest marsh
It would be different if AR had some base level of piercing (doesn't have to be unlimited like bow) but even just being able to pierce a couple enemies before stopping would make it much more user friendly
It has by far the lowest attack DPS base of all the weapons because it's the only one that doesn't pierce
plucky oxide
Aye. It's a weapon of extremes. A rapid firing single target attack, paired with a slow and delayed massive AOE.
Needless to say, I always feel like Rail runs are the most risky, and this patch's favoring of larger burst damage values hasn't helped change my mind much. I'll try more rail special runs today/soon.
forest marsh
Don't get me wrong, I love the rail's potential. It is just a rough start until you get one (or often two, really) good hammers
The hammers on attack work very well together, but you have to survive long enough to get them
plucky oxide
Rail is awesome, and it's got some of my favorite hammers. The base weapon just feels scarily lacking in comparison to the others
How have your run times been?
Pre patch its ~15 for me
Post patch I'm looking at ~30
forest marsh
Overall? 35 average on completion for Elysium. Fastest was 23 and change I think with a lucky AR run
plucky oxide
Wow 23? Nice
I'm hoping as I play more these run times start to go down. Which, of course they will.
forest marsh
https://imgur.com/1CBxc1R I think this is up to date for my latest times
plucky oxide
Nice!!
forest marsh
I've been messing around with 60 Heat but it's just been a challenge and a half
I'm at this weird point where normal runs are fun but not very satisfying, but 60 is frustrating
plucky oxide
Agreeeed.
forest marsh
Just gotta git gud I guess
plucky oxide
I think... im just going to keep playing base game. I've no intent to make the game harder for myself. Not before the heat mechanics/content have been fully fleshed and tested by launch. As long as the base game is fun, and keeping my streak alive is challenging.
plucky oxide
Of course I'm picking up nasty habits, like face tanking damage.
"It's just the hydra! And I've got two healing urns left! I can afford to take a few hits!"
forest marsh
I hope the Pact gets a bit more rebalancing once the full content of the game is implemented... I think things like Stifling Darkness might need a heavier weight the longer the runs become
plucky oxide
Yeah! I'm interested to see how the devs balance the heat gain in and of itself, as well.
Is heat post-first clear only? Will Hydra still reward heat? So many choices for SGG to make!
forest marsh
Post Hydra still, I believe, since Pact unlocks at Hydra as well
It doesn't make sense to only have the Heat available after a full clear when it was introduced gradually in all of their other games
By it I mean the difficulty modifiers
It also becomes a more valuable tool when the game is full length, since it'll help people gain Darkness faster
plucky oxide
A part of me thinks that first-clear may the 'end' of Zag's run, but not the end of the narrative. That's more spoilers discussion territory. I agree that Hydra's a good place to unlock heat as well, but balancing the progression of going deeper into the underworld VS making the game harder for yourself to accrue more darkness progression is a strange choice to make in the middle of Zag's first clear.
forest marsh
Speaking of clears, I'm still waiting for word of someone retrying the First Run clear (Fresh Save) for Elysium
pearl willow
Has anyone else noticed large damage spikes from some of the hydra heads? I swear it was the lava spit from one of the heads and I saw 38 and 75 pop up and take a huge chunk of HP from me. Hard to tell in the heat of the fight though.
forest marsh
I haven't noticed that, personally
plucky oxide
I have not had this problem, no. You said it was the lava spit? I'll look out for that in my runs.
forest marsh
Presumably it's not Heat related?
pearl willow
Shouldn't be, I only have like 50 or 100% damage bonus enacted, nothing to cause it to ramp up like that.
forest marsh
What I like to do if I know I'm looking for a bug or source of damage (whether it be dealing or receiving) is to record the fight and then look it over carefully after, when you aren't in the thick of it
plucky oxide
The only thing I can possibly think of, is a cosmic egg on you that increases trap damage. But I'm not even sure that constitutes as a trap.
minor ice
Ended up with Epic Different League and it was :chef: for the Elysium bosses.
quaint gale
8 boons into a 120 heat run...still have not been offered an attack boon.
well, 9th's the charm I guess
heady zephyr
man, how do people do heat runs? i did a -100 healing run and immediately got my ass kicked by the hydra
heady mango
Keep your healing
heady zephyr
yeah, feels like the healing one is critical to keep
easiest ones to takeare probably more expensive shops and the enemy shield
hard holly
How does Dire Misfortune work?
Is it 10 damage flat for each curse after the first, or do you get the full curse damage + 10 as extr damage?
radiant night
I'm pretty sure its +10 extra damage
Or at least that's what I noticed in my recent run using it
hard holly
Better phrasing, if you have a 40 damage curse, do two attacks deal 50, or 90 damage?
forest marsh
Hmmmm, looking at doing a bit of work on the wiki, and I noticed a discrepancy that might be a bug in the game but I can't locate where the boon description texts come from... Anyway, the game lists Shattered Shackle as doing 700% damage, but the description says 600%. Anyone have some insight?
hard holly
Really now
Because if it does, I'm surprised noon thought of a build I'm gonna try tomorrow
radiant night
No 2 attacks would be 50, pretty sure it's +10 for every curse after the first
radiant night
I imagine it'd be good with some flurry hammer upgrade? I was running it with a normal spear and I didn't notice much of a difference ngl
plucky oxide
I noticed that the highest damage base cursed applied to an enemy is the one that's eventually dealt. So if I strike with a curse that does 50, but the I activate the retaliation curse from an oopsie before the 50 finishes, the curse's damage seems to switch to 110.
hard holly
Yeah I was thinking ares rail builds
radiant night
Pretty sure that's normal, I've heard people complaining about that for a while now
hard holly
But if it's just 10 after the first one, that's a worse Zeus build
plucky oxide
An Ares bow + curse stacking build would be quite interesting, if hard to execute. Getting a massive amount of special projectiles with curse on them would be good burst.
radiant night
Honestly I almost never use Zeus, I should seriously test other gods ๐
plucky oxide
And if curse has a better base attack-curse damage than special, you could go Attack+Special to maximize the amount blown out of your enemy.
With the right boons you could be pelting tons of projectiles into your enemy at close range after your first proc, before the curse goes off. Of course, is the damage scaling worth it? I've got no clueee.
radiant night
As an amateur the idea of trying to pull that off is hella stressful
plucky oxide
Why do all that when Ares cast can just melt everything for you, and look good doin it.
heady zephyr
ares cast isn't that good unless you get the boon that makes blade rifts pull enemies in imo
plucky oxide
Are there buttons on controllers that don't have a proper use yet? Zag needs a pose button.
heady zephyr
taunt button pls
heady zephyr
ฮฃฮฃฮฃ rank
west wren
left and right button also doesnt have a use
radiant night
How would Zag pose though
plucky oxide
Something, something, jojo
radiant night
skghsdgj
west wren
flex
plucky oxide
Sadly the last attempt of suggesting a taunt got a ๐ซ, but the request was also tied to an in-game mechanic. I assume Zag's not the type to style on his enemies for no reason. He's here to clear.
west wren
his snarky personality with the bosses, wheres my taunt
radiant night
God it'd be so fun to taunt ||Theseus||
quaint gale
120 heat, going into elysium...let's see if I can do literally anything against the longspears
plucky oxide
Good luck!!!
quaint gale
...erebus in the entryway? this'll take like 200 enemies
radiant night
Oohboy
I can barely get through Tartarus with ~30 heat, playing with 120 heat would kill me in the first room ๐
quaint gale
I only do it with bow
can't handle standing 500 feet from anyone
but the exalted in elysium, literally all they do is dashing slams towards you
radiant night
Honestly I suck at bow, I haven't gotten a single clear with it in my like... 110 runs so far
quaint gale
just gotta keep dash attacking and stacking artemis/athena
it's easier than you think
radiant night
I've tried so many times and I always just default back to sword
quaint gale
I do like the new sword dynamic so I don't fault you there
west wren
i suck at games so much i barely have heat
radiant night
skghksdgj same
quaint gale
anyways I should go die now
west wren
i use it to trade stuff lmao
radiant night
uhh,,.. bad luck at dying?
I have farmed like 130 heat for no reason but I have no need to trade for stuff anymore
radiant night
For me it really depends on the weapon and how much health/death defiances I have
With shield I can just block almost all damage which makes my survivability skyrocket
heady zephyr
bow works better with the new dash i find
west wren
im just going with shield and pray i get explosive return lol
radiant night
God I love the new dash
heady zephyr
i could probably handle some heat, but the no heal heat is waaaay to rough
radiant night
I mostly go for +health on enemies or +movement speed
radiant night
I'd be able to get through movement speed if louts didn't murder me so fast
heady zephyr
i was using the broken spearhead so i figured it would let me tank through enough
i was incorrect
quaint gale
yeah...
radiant night
Quick question what does broken spearheadd do? I got it last run but I didn't actually check it's effects and I'm so curious ๐
heady zephyr
gives brief invulnerability after you take damage
radiant night
Ohhh?????
heady zephyr
like really brief, at level 3 i think it's 0.5 seconds
mostly useful to stay away from killer chain hits like shield elysian spins
radiant night
Oh god yeah
heady zephyr
or the burst damage from elysian witches
quaint gale
you know what gives you brief invulnerability?
taking a hit that's most of your health
radiant night
Yeah, I get so nervous when I realized I lost that much health
heady zephyr
wrath is also a pretty decent get-away button
radiant night
Before beefy update athena wrath would straight up carry me through a hydra fight
heady zephyr
tbh i think athena got buffed this update
radiant night
Titan toppler (I thinkit's called??) is so good with the new dash
heady zephyr
deflect dash doesn't have a delay anymore, and exposed and the duo boons absolutely murder
radiant night
I've actually been avoiding Athena a lil because I've been relying on her too much
heady zephyr
i feel like you NEED some defensive boons to get through elysium, and as far as defensive gods go, athena>poseidon>aphrodite
radiant night
I used poseidon dash + extra wallsmash damage + his legendary and it was great against all the elysium enemies except for greatshields
heady zephyr
also doesn't work on the bosses sadly
radiant night
Yeah made me super sad ๐
heady zephyr
still, poseidon wrath is one of the best ones since it gives you invuln and does heavy damage on contact
radiant night
Also, does charming ||Theseus or Asterius|| actually help because ||Theseus|| just throws some remark and runs around for a bit
Haven't used poseidon wrath in so long, it's just so hard to use with kbm
heady zephyr
it draws aggro away for sure, but the charm duration is reduced to almost nothing on bosses
i figure it'd be better once the chariots show up
quaint gale
yep, there's my death
radiant night
Awh man ๐
quaint gale
I don't know how to win at 120 heat
radiant night
With elysium I imagine it's much harder
heady zephyr
what got you?
quaint gale
3 greatshields projectile spamming me
heady zephyr
yyyyyep
radiant night
Oh lord
quaint gale
80 damage per hit
radiant night
Greatshields.... make me sad
quaint gale
didn't even meet a longspear, which definitely would have just bumrushed me and murdered me in a split second
radiant night
I've only done 3 runs in the new update but the main reason I even reach the final boss is through hording death defiances + extra health hearts
heady zephyr
yeah, elysium feels nice and challenging with the right builds, but i think it makes too many builds unviable atm
quaint gale
there's gotta be an area after elysium, too...
spice turret
Alright, fastest time I've gotten is 28 minutes
radiant night
Honestly rn runs are taking too long for me, spending up to an hour on a run is hard as a student with homework (that i procrastinate either way but still)
Ooh damn!
heady zephyr
i wonder what the last area will be, anyway. we've seen most of the physical locations in the greek underworld, haven't we?
radiant night
Yeah
heady zephyr
tartarus, erebus, asphodel, elysium
radiant night
I was wondering if it was the 'overworld' or something? but it'd be weird to have to fight anything at that point, pretty sure Hades can't order a bunch of living mortals to go fight Zag
heady zephyr
it might be the banks of cocytus or something, since that's supposed to encircle all of hades, isn't it
radiant night
I'm still a wee babe when it comes to greek myth but that sounds about right
imagine if charon was the fourth boss fight....
heady zephyr
on the other hand, they might go crazy with it and make the final area either the surface or olympus
radiant night
Fight all the olympians at once to prove your worth
turbid needle
and you need to fight all the gods lol
radiant night
Oh wow hivemind
turbid needle
and they're not happy with you being all like "You used our help to find your mother, you ..."
heady zephyr
for that matter, i wonder who the last olympian is meant to be
my money is it's hermes and one of his boons gives you the third dash back
spice turret
Crunched the time down to 23:42
40 heat, all put towards making my enemies faster
So they can get closer faster... And get shield crunched
Also yes, movespeed buffs would be, if you'll pardon the phrase, a godsend
forest marsh
Stack those Ignited Ichors like crazy
radiant night
Zoom across the room
pearl willow
https://imgur.com/a/5Lt2WaI
Easily the smoothest run I've had through Elysium yet. Sword + Athena special + Instant Nova + Super Nova + ~160% special damage from 2x Chaos boons + Athena inflicts Expose + Poseidon Dash + Poseidon inflicts Rupture. Even managed to beat Thanatos like 40-20 in Ely.
heady zephyr
exposed is so nuts
especially when you manage to combine it with the dual status curse
true dock
I feel like Explosive Rounds with the Rail are bugged on the boss of Elysium. I've fought him with Explosive Rounds twice and it feels like the shot hits all at once as an AoE, but because part of that AoE is clipping the shield, the damage is blocked. Every time he does his usual throw attack and then walks backwards for a bit, I shoot him from behind and every shot is blocked. I'm forced to whittle him down with special.
Maybe it's just an unintended interaction.
tight roost
I don't think i'm ever gonna use heat and it's crazy how you psychos end up using 50! also rip curse of longing 
lime ingot
i had a run just now where i went almost pure aphro cast
dat shotgun damage hurts xD
i'm sad i didn't have enough artemis boons
pearl willow
The hammer 'power shot' effect on the shield charge is a better than I expected. I managed to beat Bull/Theseus with a pretty small selection of boons due in large part to it helping me slowly but surely take down rooms all along the way. Plus being able to block spear throw and bull charge and quickly put myself behind them was pretty nice.
tepid fiber
Anyone get more than 2 hammers yet? Wondering if its possible
raven lintel
not possible afaik
icy edge
Anyone tried a hybrid build of Poseidon and Aphrodite?
Doesnt sound intuitive, but it almost beat elysium
errant narwhal
hell yell
west wren
FeelsGreatMan
proud storm
Epic gaming moments
west wren
im proud
errant narwhal
last room bois
stable oyster
Gl
errant narwhal
i have 3 death defiances and a lv3 lucky tooth, lets see if i can do this on the first try
lost rose
YOU CAN DO IT ALMA I BELIEVE
manic ermine
How nice of Than to give a reward even on a tie
lost rose
That's rly good for a first try!!
errant narwhal
the shield is.... rlly good now kfdjghk
errant narwhal
its nice re-living that final boss excitement now tho, since i can already beat the hydra now every time
lost rose
YEAH my heart is pounding every time
west wren
explosive shield op
golden pawn
As it turns out, it's completely possible to beat the game on the first run, if you're careful enough
errant narwhal
90%..
heady zephyr
chaos boons/maluses get stronger the further you are in the game, right?
errant narwhal
woah, including elysium? did you beat it?
golden pawn
Yeap!
golden pawn
