What do you have triangle and circle mapped to though
#h1-builds-and-combat
green birch
somber epoch
i mean Special and Cast
placid pike
Going to try heavy defense shield and just try to bruteforce it.
Didn't think of Ares. Might work.
somber epoch
my gameplay loop was Dash(X) -> Attack(Square) and then I occasionally used Wrath if i was bored
not because i needed to use my wrath
dashing wallop is absolutely busted
placid pike
Wraith's really just free extra damage + invincibility-for some at least
somber epoch
its weird, i havent played the game at all since the Murder Death Kill update
and then my first 2 runs on new patch beat at least hydra
forest marsh
Don't sleep on Aphrodite Wrath, either
grand patrol
guuuyyyyys i just beat hydra using only 1 death defy.....im becoming a gamer [wipes happy tear]
placid pike
Isn't it just a temporary charm/subversion?
green birch
We’re so proud of u Kam
somber epoch
80 damage the entire fight on a pool of 260 health
crude lance
u can try for explosions or zeus + dash build
crude lance
i cleared it with zeus + shield special
proud storm
ares wrath strikes through shields only if the center of the aoe is behind the shield
crude lance
++
didnt try yet, but i think athena deflect on attack should make it easy especially if u have spear
ocean halo
New Instant nova for the sword is hella good
t-posing people to death is now even more fun
green birch
I haven’t tried it yet, hopefully I’ll get a chance to today!
green birch
I like double hammer but I’m glad the second one is locked to Elysium
ocean halo
New mirror upgrade for debuffs us super usefull to
proud storm
top 10 anime battles https://streamable.com/67eyn
ocean halo
Shied is cool yeah, but bow and sword are still my go-to weapons if i just want to have fun see new dialogues
somber epoch
my dream of having a bull rush only build is finally possible
green birch
To each their own haha, I like sword but it’s still one of the hardest weapons to win with for me
somber epoch
i wonder what the balance changes will b like
ocean halo
sword is pure burst, if you just want to mash that attack or special button without caring for anything else and see everything around you die
ocean halo
i actually have some problems with new dash on sword
inertia seems to be much bigger on sword dash attack with new dash
lyric folio
@proud storm @grand patrol @south comet Are these slark emoticons? 😮
grand patrol
which and what kind?
grand patrol
ahh
hard holly
Ok so, this might only be on skelly
But it seems if you backstab from the side, you get more damage?
30 if its a normal backstab, 36 if its slightly to the side
hard holly
How wack
lyric folio
The resemblance is uncanny
hard holly
Also, Massive Spin or Quick spin?
Im gonna go with Quickspin since massive spin is now additive
ocean halo
I think im confident enough now to start running with heat again
https://imgur.com/FfkRzxm
sword is still godtier
pastel jolt
@smoky sparrow both of your feedbacks are basically just rephrases of feedback that’s already been given very recently - it’s better to upvote feedback you agree with than to post the same thing again!
lyric folio
https://imgur.com/a/OpNVEHr Finally downed Theseus and his buddy on 60 heat. What a tough fight! Going to try doing all weapons on 60
smoky sparrow
@pastel jolt I already did that. I can delete my post if you want if you think they are not providing anything new to the table. I just wanted to write more about "what I feel" than "what is not working".
lyric folio
Anyone have advice for the sword?
lyric folio
Very slowly haha
somber epoch
what hammers did you get?
lyric folio
It started out as a cast build but then I didn't get any cast boons
I got the armor shredder and exploding shield
somber epoch
neato
lyric folio
I basically just ran around and waited for the insane 500 damage poseidon wrath to do the damage
somber epoch
cast builds aren't as fun anymore imho
lyric folio
Yea it sucks
somber epoch
ever since they nerfed the mirror boon
indigo compass
should try cast+ quik reload+exit wounds
serene isle
I definitely just did that
lyric folio
I tried to go for something like that, but didn't get quick reload
indigo compass
its very good for theseus:p
serene isle
I had Poseidon Cast + Exit Wounds + Quick Reload + a Chaos Boon that gave you 6 casts
somber epoch
i should start using heat once i get comfortable beating the game
somber epoch
oh wingblade is that best time before or after patch
i.e. before/after elysium added
serene isle
I also had the thing that deals damage to enemies that walk after you hit them with a poseidon knockback
lyric folio
after
smoky sparrow
BTW, can you reflect his spear attack or does it count as melee?
lyric folio
they removed all previous times
serene isle
so it was just me running around throwing casts at everything
indigo compass
thats razor shoals:)
indigo compass
yeah u can deflect all attacks
smoky sparrow
So it looks like I need to work on my timings with this boss fight :D. Thx for info.
somber epoch
i just had a meme build so i beat him first try
indigo compass
dunno if he takes dmg trho seeing he has a shield:p
somber epoch
you just gotta outlast him
serene isle
Oh spoil me
indigo compass
shield is pretty good to stay alive :p
lyric folio
I think it depends on which gods you don't come across
But not sure if this is spoilers
indigo compass
u mean his second phase?
lyric folio
Might want to move this conv there
proud storm
i think i can confirm theseus uses god wrath from a god you dont have any boons from
serene isle
TY
somber epoch
you can talk about spoilers in gameplay
somber epoch
because otherwise we couldnt' talk about the final boss
indigo compass
and yeah he chooses a god each time :p dunno how it works exactly but he doesent get the same one each time
tawdry aurora
Well seeing how my idea in feedback isn´t wanted, can someone tell me for what good is this chamber combo?https://sta.sh/018nzqf6qw2x
somber epoch
thats just the rolls sometimes
indigo compass
and still got a choice, armoured enemies or not:p
somber epoch
also its very difficult to get to a point where darkness is literally worthless
you have to spend a very large amount of time
pastel jolt
meanwhile i have 50+ ambrosia and keys and enough heat to fill he pact if i wanted, and yet i’m still on 3 rerolls
i’d rather have a darkness room than a heat room at this point
somber epoch
we need a way to turn extra heat into cooking marshmellows
green birch
Ambrosia is s’mores
pastel jolt
i miss the candy skulls ;3; 
somber epoch
no ambrosia is butter
pastel jolt
round and shiny like a friend
tawdry aurora
Yeah I guess that are good points, but did anyone happened this with any other item?
safe mesa
i think flurry blade is my only win condition now lmao
tawdry aurora
like double Ambrosias, double Ares or something like that but one was with skull and the other not?
Not to mention that it also have (had) almost 100% chance that you encounter it during run.
meager current
the butterfly is nuts
ocean halo
@lyric folio i dont really know what advice for the sword do you need.
you can build practically anything with it.
It has good base damage of both attack and cast, and attack also is good for DoTs or Zeus's lightnings
hard holly
Oh
The new Pulverizing Blow looks great
But the other choice is Minotaur Rush
Why must you torment me this way, game
ocean halo
i have the same feeling when i get both epic Sweet Surrender and Different League
hardest choices we make in life
btw what's the new scales for butterfly ?
1,5 2 2,5 ?
proud storm
thats it
ocean halo
never got my hands on it, but noticed it got buffed
how does it work ?
do you lose bonus when you get hit or it jus counts all the rooms you cleared undamaged and thats it ?
proud storm
you gain more damage if you complete chambers without getting hit
it counts all the rooms you cleared undamaged
ocean halo
if i equip it later in game will it count previous rooms ?
proud storm
no
green birch
Pierced butterfly is a good whole-run boon or Tartarus boon, since Asphodel and Elysium have smaller room sizes it doesn’t make much sense to swap it in late game
ocean halo
figured
hard holly
You can stack Minotaur Rush and Sudden Rush
pastel jolt
i have no idea what the theme of this build is but i'm enjoying it
i have athena special, zeus dash + legendary, aphrodite attack....
oh yeah and the "crit after using your special" hammer
oHHHHHHH THAT'S SUCH A HARD CHOICE TO MAKE,,
hard holly
Id say Worldsplitter
safe mesa
any athena blessing is incredible with the sword
pastel jolt
@low fog - legendary boons arent a rank of boon rarity, you have to have certain other boons first to 'unlock' them... though there should probably be at least some hint ingame as to how to get them, you're right
safe mesa
i’d say instant nova
pastel jolt
i mean i've run sword special in elysium before and it's fine
hard holly
Well, to be fair
green birch
Instant nova looks neat!
pastel jolt
the only issue was that it was a poseidon-heavy build and the beef bfs mushed me into paste
hard holly
I am running at stupid high damage
hard holly
So my perspective
Is a bit skewed I guess?
I just found that those damn cars always hit you in that little bit after the special
And they hurt
Also the longspears
When they stand and that long-range jab
green birch
It looks like you have an aphro heavy build so instant and world splitter would be my choices
pastel jolt
i'm trying to decide between instant nova for the spam or super nova for the range
green birch
I think instant is more conducive to the final fight
pastel jolt
yeah
safe mesa
instant for spam since there’ll be a lot of brightbois on you
hard holly
If those are the choices
Definitely instant
Especially now that the damage up is additive
green birch
Plus with the Athena it should be good for damage safety since it’s AOE
safe mesa
it’s good if you have flurry blade
safe mesa
yeah didn’t they nerf the ranged weapons on projectiles?
green birch
Rail has been known to have deflect issues, that’s not an issue with the boon haha
safe mesa
like the hitbox on them or something
sturdy sundial
shield is a little bit too strong rn
hard holly
We really just need powershot on everything
sturdy sundial
in my opinion
hard holly
Eh, idk about that tbh
pastel jolt
ah, hell. i think i knocked something out of the level. :/
sturdy sundial
the new dodge is so sick
i love how it is so smooth
u can chain better the things
hard holly
I liked the sudden sharp one generally better
But the new Athena Dash is hella dope
So Im ok with it
pastel jolt
so..... do i basically just have to scrap this run? it was going so well :c
sturdy sundial
i guess so
pastel jolt
rip
proud storm
what a horrible day, or night, to have a curse (of longing) https://streamable.com/ii7lv
proud storm
yes
ocean halo
there is a boon
proud storm
dire misfortune
ocean halo
that allows stacking
proud storm
and curse of longing doesnt refresh the doom damage back to normal
hence the 1,2k doom damage tick
ocean halo
yeah, Ares/Aphro combo is top tier with this update and new mirror upgrade
green birch
YES
hard holly
They dont count for Zeus
So there was a 50/50
But yeah, that duo sounds quite ogod
Good
ocean halo
what ?!
hard holly
If you use Bow Special with the Zeus upgrade
ocean halo
they count
hard holly
It spawns exactly one lightning
hard holly
So both options would honestly have made sense
ocean halo
Zeus's special upgrade is in general really wierd
especialy in terms of targeting for multiple lightnings
hard holly
Apparently Theseus blocks any lightnings that originate on him
Which is annoying
I think if Theseus's blocking gets cleaned up a little
So its not frustrating and a little unintuitive
The boss fight would be really fun
As is I much prefer Elysium before it because the Exalted are really good enemy design
calm sable
yeah Elysium is a lot more fun to fight through than Asphodel was the first few times
hard holly
Id say so
Asphodel was more of a brickwall that became easy and a little boring after a while?
Whereas Elysium is fun
Except for the cars
They can go to hell
Actually no, I dont want to fight them in Tartarus
pearl willow
i think mass exalted are often more troublesome than the bosses for the most part lol, though i've only fought theseus/asterius a handful of times. and i did once kill the minotaur too early and dealing with theseus and multiple chariots got me dead.
pastel jolt
the main issue i have with asterius and theseus is their health pools, tbh
ocean halo
cars are needed to teach you about minotaur's rushes
pastel jolt
like i get that they're beefy but boy howdy they are beefy
hard holly
Thats fair
But when they pincer you
Its a problem
And yeah, theyre a bit beefy
But I think if Theseus didnt just block everything with his radiant smile shield
Itd be a whole lot more manageable
Ive actually been relying on exit wounds lately just to get through his health pool
ocean halo
I like how Zag is disappointed that there is still no Heracles, just like the players
pastel jolt
says you, i'm perfectly happy with it being a theseus/minotaur party
ocean halo
im not saying that they are bad, im just talking about all the hype before update
ocean halo
good sparring partner, best friend
ocean halo
Yup
and by the words of Hades himself after Zag asks about Heracles, he is a jerk here too
hard holly
I just hope Theseus warms up to Zag after a while
ocean halo
so far as i play its going that way
knotty trail
Rail gun with two Hammers : single shot with aoe. And Duo Arte Zeus.
https://youtu.be/gHURuJt2qOc
👌
safe trellis
Hah, wow. I finally took the update for a spin today, and after the first two runs in which I somehow cleared the new bosses with relative ease, the following runs all ended with me reaching the bosses with too few hit points and death defiance tokens to really have a chance, due to the elite Exalted having WIPED THE FLOOR with me in the last handful of Elysium rooms. I'm sure I'll get the hang of it, but I'm also sure we'll get some balance adjustment to these new enemies in upcoming patches, because as it stands they can get pretty challenging.
elfin pulsar
im not sure they'll nerf them, it might be that they want that difficulty spike by design
but it does feel rough in there unless you get a great hammer combo, especially with death insurance makes the cells such a huge struggle
boreal estuary
Hey, guys, is there any reason to go to the heat room (where you should get flawless clear)?
elfin pulsar
you get better rewards
for example, a heart gives 50 instead of 25
also its a good way to get a run benefiting item instead of darkness or keys or w.e.
turbid needle
- for the most of the time If I remember you don't get enemies different than Tartarus one ? unless that changed
elfin pulsar
yup it did not change, just did an aspohdel one this run and it was brimstones and tartarus witches
i lost because my brain couldn't quite avoid the 9 armored brimstones at once but still, not bad
boreal estuary
thanks for aid!
pastel jolt
@primal cape sometimes it gives heat, sometimes darkness
turbid needle
yeah, but it's still easier to avoid stuff given you have more "predictable" i-frames dash
elfin pulsar
oh definitely, the i-frames on the new dash are amazing
turbid needle
is it only my feeling though... that spear feels absolutely bad?
elfin pulsar
anything but brimstones are easy for me in there, other than louts sometimes
I think it's still good, other people in here have been saying they've had great runs with it
vicious skewer seems kinda bad tho
turbid needle
it's not about the vicious skewer in itself
for me it's more that Spear doesn't have anymore the Special damage potential and attacking in Elysium.... doesn't seem to be that effective...
that is of course you're not using Ares
elfin pulsar
i've done two spear runs this patch and the one that made it to elysium used two spin hammer upgrades with athena attack
it was only heat 25 which is a bit lower than I was at pre-patch but it felt very strong
just hitting the whole pack of enemies at once every second or so
cleared very easy
turbid needle
yeah, maybe spin attack is an idea... I don't realy feel like going full spin attack given how vulnerable it is
elfin pulsar
they buffed it a bit IIRC, and I also got quick spin hammer in the very first room
its probably too vulnerable as you say without it
turbid needle
so I would say myself that spear special could use some buff by itself and even possibly same for quick one ?
given that Elysium is just all about the beef boys
elfin pulsar
IDK myself, would need to play with it more
spear special was straight up OP before the patch, so it can be worse but still be OK
vicious skewer should be buffed back up a bit tho, they put it in the dump
turbid needle
well it was op mostly because enemies weren't so beefy I believe
at this moment if hammer integrations with bow will be fixed I think the bow is gonna be the strongest one
primal cape
@pastel jolt my point is it isn't guaranteed, but hydra is
pure obsidian
Will there ever be a fix to meduso not flying 10 miles into the lava
safe trellis
Are you talking about the Megagorgon mini-boss or just the standard gorgon heads? The Megagorgon will only fly out above the lava if you try to chase after it, as it's programmed to seek an ideal distance from which to pelt you with petrification bullets. If you back away from it, it will chase after you.
pure obsidian
the mini-boss. yes I think it should back away but there should be a limit so that you could still hit it if you stand on the bare edge
runic bluff
The hydra heads sometimes hover as @pure obsidian said it - "10 miles into the lava", it's actually redicilous :D:D
and no, I was not running knockback effects and pushing them there, they just sometimes are like "I want my privacy man!"
and slowly back up away in the lava, bugging you 😄
elfin pulsar
had 250 health and 3 DD going into theseus for my first 60 heat win and I get my first game crash ever with a run reset
did they change how much heat stifling darkness costs? it seems like its actually really strong at 60 now
jovial blaze
theseus did a lot more damage than i expected holy
proud storm
bullies https://i.imgur.com/rowSf1n.jpg
very sexy of me to do a 100 heat run with maxed whipped frenzy
oh i can smell the hubris https://i.imgur.com/wzOv0b2.jpg
elfin pulsar
so how does zeus's jolted work? dont get the description
elfin pulsar
oh ok, do you guys know how long it lasts?
elfin pulsar
neat
pure obsidian
wait is it intended that i can charm the bull
i have my first completely op build
i pretty much have every enemy constantly charmed and they only fight each other 😮
forest marsh
It's intended, yes
bronze sorrel
Does anyone else feel deflect is too strong relative to other boons?
pure obsidian
well i just had the end bosses of chapter 4 fight each other all the time
perma charmed
forest marsh
It's fun
pure obsidian
yepp
median ridge
bringing them back to their original dynamic
boreal estuary
Love made them happy
median ridge
it’s fun hearing their war cries and banter as they beat each other up
pastel jolt
they're boyfriends, do not make them fight ;3;
median ridge
gotta break up the boyfriends to bring together the husbands. equivalent exchange
obtuse tapir
median ridge
that’s a lot of darkness
indigo compass
just had a nice spear run with quik spin and massive spin, ares on atk,hunter dash, pressure points ,poseidon surge , also 66% and 50% atk buff from chaos
median ridge
i tried a run with quick spin and massive spin. the spin attack has definitely been made a lot more usable in the update but i still find it clunky and risky to use
indigo compass
without quik spin its too clunky i agree but with it its pretty nice
and yeah its allways been risky just need to find good positioning and dont get too greedy trying to go for max each time , but the quik spin is so fast that u can easily get alot of max charges in and the dash gives u i frames aswell
the bossfight went alot better than i expected tbh:p
median ridge
it’s especially risky with the fast guys in elysium. they move so quickly and do so much damage that staying still even for half a second can be punishing
and also the shield elysians and theseus just block the spin
indigo compass
dash behind them first
elfin pulsar
yeah I did a quick+massive spin run with athena attack and it was awesome
very fun too
indigo compass
yeah athena on atk is prolly also very strong
median ridge
ooooh athena on the spin would make it good
indigo compass
but ares can alot of the times proc when being blocked and stuff so thats nice:p
median ridge
a bit more defensible
elfin pulsar
i actually had ares at first but I switched for a heroic athena
being able to deflect a room full of bullets seemed nice, though ares would be better on the boss
indigo compass
i love ares tbh, also pretty good with spin charge
the curse can do its dmg while u charge the next one
but yeah deflect is allways nice too tho, love me some deflect:p
anyone been playing with the bow?
elfin pulsar
i've played with it a little, would have just won on 60 heat if it hadn't crashed right before the boss
indigo compass
dang
elfin pulsar
first crash ever in this game
quasi knoll
artemis and athena?
indigo compass
athena has something with backstab dmg
artemis has the hunters mark
forgot the name for athena tho:p
quasi knoll
hunters mark is just they take more damage?
indigo compass
more crit chance:p
proud storm
no one:
500% damage theseus: i will burn through two of your death defiances with this one trick
elfin pulsar
is that trick an off-screen spear to the chest?
proud storm
his spear does 100 damage 
elfin pulsar
yeah i'll pass
proud storm
200 if you get hit by both the throw and the return
and his spin attack does like 90 damage per tick 
pastel jolt
beefy boy does beefy damage
runic bluff
If you run charm build you those 500% damage might actually help you instead :D:D
indigo compass
ahyeah saltmeister , athena's status effect was called exposed i think:)
runic bluff
I mean 500% damage Theseus sure can take down 50% more HP minotaur faster
than no dmg multiplier Theseus xD
Insn't Exposed just a change to the old boon "every time you deflect, you deal critical damage for 3/4/5/6/7 seconds"
and exposed basicly changed that to where you no longer crit, but apply extra damage while backstabbing
runic bluff
honestly, I dislike the changes to crit chance
crit build used to be "the way to go" for 120 heat runs
with extra enemies, faster enemies, extra damage enemies and extra HP enemies
and now that both Athena boon and Vicious Skewer and Arthemis Crit Boon got nerfed to the ground (basicly)
it aint that much fun xD
atleast charm is now OP
with the new dash and certain weapons 😄
elfin pulsar
the pom nerf was really big for high heat too
runic bluff
yeah, Pom is unfortunate
elfin pulsar
im quite happy with it myself, I like having more diverse options
runic bluff
leveling to 5-6 is no longer good
elfin pulsar
sucks when there is just a couple viable builds to aim for
having to figure out new build paths on the fly should be a big part of the game IMO
jade estuary
whats the best build nowadays? I aim for DPS because I can't dodge lol
runic bluff
if anything, higher level boon should get better scaling
if not the same
and they made it diminishing scaling, which is a bummer
jade estuary
the big chop stygian with athena and the crit hammer is amazing
elfin pulsar
makes a lot of sense tho, im quite happy they did
runic bluff
though, the main reason they made this change is simply
elfin pulsar
just stacking poms all day is way less fun than getting new boons
runic bluff
because now you travel more rooms, resulting in more poms overall
so they felt the need for this change to balance builds out a bit
jade estuary
Also how is bow nowadays after the patch?
elfin pulsar
feels a lot nicer to use to me
the quicker special is sooo nice
stunlocking louts with the left click is pretty funny too
jade estuary
the amount of damage elysium enemies soak up has me concerned
even with crit after special + big 300% damage chop it was hard lol
I guess bow has strong damage too
runic bluff
bow special is quite good with zeus lightning on strike + jolted status, combined with 100% more arrows
it feels like a spark fest xD
elfin pulsar
sadly it only procs once per enemy
jade estuary
i do love that build
i coudln't beat hydra with it
low DPS for bosses IMO
you destroy murder boat tho
runic bluff
nah
elfin pulsar
it was very disappointing when I got zeus special with it and it didnt proc on each shot, but it'd be pretty OP if it did
runic bluff
indeed if you go in melee range
bow's shotgun damage output is probably the highest in the game
runic bluff
and I tend to combine it with athena's wrath
runic bluff
so while invulnerable
you can output a TON of damage
in a second
since every single arrow procs lightning
you use it as a shotgun against bosses generally
xD
I also tend to combine it with Weak on main attack
simply to reduce enemy damage while charging my wrath
and to apply 2 curses (namely Weak and Jolt)
for the extra damage from Privileged Buff
- Boiling Blood
for an insane damage boost from close range with Bow Special
i mean one Special can output over 1k dmg easily
in total
jade estuary
oh amzing
prisma oxide
has anyone noticed that sometimes deflect doesn't appear to work on any attacks in the attack combos but the first one? Or how in asphodel, when you have no ranged weapons (the sword), some enemies will stay too far out of reach for you to get to them without taking fire damage?
jade estuary
ill try
elfin pulsar
yeah the witches sitting in lava thing has been a sword struggle for a while
prisma oxide
Also, I've beaten the hydra with 15 skulls on my pact of punishment but didn't get the reveal in Skelly's area. Do I have to beat Elysium now with the pact of punishment ?
mental idol
elfin pulsar
i think you need to beat elysium now for the statue
hard holly
Apparently bow special is better
Regular bow is the same as always
Really good, really fun, really easy to get yourself killed if youre careless
runic bluff
bow makes you feel way too powerful at times, to a point where you really become careless and take unecessary damage 😄
pastel jolt
@analog sail don't worry!!! just relaunch the game
the game doesn't actually delete your save when you press that button - it'll only be deleted if you make a new save in the same slot
analog sail
And I did. because of lag it just got all my a inputs at once
So I already started a new save right after deleting the old one
pastel jolt
that's some impressive lag.
analog sail
I dunno, maybe having chrome open in the background wasn't a good idea.
pseudo tapir
Stygian blade is crazy.
livid tundra
which god works best with the rail gun?
i seriously can't find a use for this thing
livid tundra
hm k then
pseudo tapir
But yea rail is a lil underwhelming
livid tundra
i think it really needs a buff
pastel jolt
zeus attack with fast shooty is fun
livid tundra
like maybe letting you move and shoot
pseudo tapir
Dude with stygian blade and some modifications... It was 700+ every hit
(crits ofc)
livid tundra
also does the rail gun always start with a hammer upgrade? every run i've done with it recently puts a hammer in the first room
pearl willow
only good rail run i ever had was with zeus attack + chain bounces + zeus legendary, otherwise i'm not very fond of it. and i find that hammer as the first boon is just plain common regardless of weapon now.
livid tundra
no it only seems to happen with the rail for me
hard holly
Dionysus and Zeus with the rapid fire
Athena with either of the burst modes
Note here though
Zeus will murder your frames
Dionysus less so
Unless you get the splashing boon
I like the rail, heavy slug is an insane start, and rapidfire dio is quite effective (in particular on Theseus who still gets sick if he blocks)
mint leaf
I tried to get into Heavy Slug but it doesn't "feel" good to use. The damage was nice, but something about the game flow was off for me, personally.
sly jolt
I had a Rail run this morning, with Heavy Slug, and got a Dash Atk Boon from Chaos, as well as Artemis' Dash Atk boost. By the time I got to Theseus, it was doing 300+ dmg per shot, as fast as I could Dash, Fire and Reload.
Every time I think I don't care much for a weapon, I get some crazy combo and fall in love again lol
subtle shale
so I haven't played the game for like half a month until the update dropped, and I'm curious, does the new dash have i-frames on it? It's hard for me to tell but it at least feels like it does because I can dash straight through some attacks without taking damage
raven lintel
yeah you can't be damaged while dashing
subtle shale
that opens up so many new ways to be aggressive, especially against the blood wave guys
I definitely noticed I was able to more consistently able to dodge the Hydra during the last phase
before if you didn't blitz one of the heads down right away it felt like a game of hot potato on the sun
gilded sandal
Were weapon clears rolled back to 0 for everyone?
lyric folio
yes
I expect the same thing to happen once the final biome is released, so don't get too attached
gilded sandal
Kk, just wanted to make sure.
gilded sandal
Believe so. I think the initial roadmap was 4 biomes for release.
elfin pulsar
so rails explosive shot + zeus attack = 3 fps
and thesues seems to just block zeus lightning even from behind
no fps and no damage
lyric folio
What does otl mean?
elfin pulsar
https://imgur.com/a/N6MLpec ayy still got em tho
artemis is insanely easy to deal with
atomic panther
OTL, or orz (caps matter) is an emoji of a person on their hands and knees
pastel jolt
yeah, it's the head, arms and legs if you look at it from the side
hard holly
Is the ammo back on dash upgrade still in the game?
unkempt pagoda
the icon was reused for the new exploding ammo i think
obtuse merlin
omg triple shot fast bow with sick is very good indeed
elfin pulsar
yee thats the good stuff
obtuse merlin
i imagine fast bow combos well with double shot too
obtuse merlin
I like fast bow in the prev patch too, lvl 9 dio was brain melting
hard holly
It just kinda felt like a weaker rail
obtuse merlin
hmm maybe its me but I could never quite get on with the shorter range
also switching distant targets is a great strat
with dio
obtuse merlin
might try a sneaky bone hour glass run getting x 4 blood gate is pretty fun / risky
kind fiber
Yeah, it probably needs to be comboed with the ability to get casts back faster
obtuse merlin
yeah going artemis cast is pretty fun
kind fiber
More useful in the third zone than the second
more useful against fewer targets/bosses
obtuse merlin
I had x 12 cast going with 8 extra shots exit wounds and faster return it was pretty epic
elfin pulsar
theseus cannot block that
kind fiber
That sounds amazing, did you have + cast damage from chaos?
obtuse merlin
no + 3 shot
kind fiber
Thesus seems annoyingly good at blocking things
obtuse merlin
elfin pulsar
he blocks every single hit of zeus legendary
elfin pulsar
never even seen that boon before
obtuse merlin
lvl 7 it stacks one shot per level
kind fiber
It was amazing awhile back when it the extra casts dealt 100% of your normal damage
yeah, you managed to get 7 palms, and for them to all land on a specific thing
plucky oxide
I have a lot of difficulties getting what I want out of Artemis, as crit and cast are two very polar and not synergystic builds (without deadly reversal), but when you get all the crit upgrades you need, or all the cast upgrades you need, it's amazing. Good thing you only need one or two things from Artemis to start doing amazing things.
obtuse merlin
I got pretty lucky
elfin pulsar
yeah it feels bad going artemis and getting a bunch of useless perks
have the same struggle with dio
plucky oxide
But when t works it works. Funny that the crit god also needs awesome rng to a s c e n d to mad damage
obtuse merlin
I feel the swap and the synergy boons help you make something decent out of not what you want build
I mean it helps at least
elfin pulsar
love the swap mechanic
obtuse merlin
me too
elfin pulsar
being able to take a dinky attack buff early and trade for what you want later is just so sweet
plucky oxide
I wonder if SGG has ratios for how often gods are picked up by players 🤔
I can assume Athena and Artemis are really up there.
obtuse merlin
the heroic thing is very cool makes it worth switching
elfin pulsar
i've only seen one heroic in like 10 runs now, but I like the idea
plucky oxide
Heroic turns an awesome system into a build defining system and it's amazing
elfin pulsar
actually IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 2
obtuse merlin
hmm I have seen a few
elfin pulsar
bird on caps lock key ;x
obtuse merlin
do you have a fully upped mirror?
elfin pulsar
the first 7 runs were with a full mirror, last 3 were with 500 dark
obtuse merlin
if you have an epic boon slotted in it will offer you a heroic
I feel like I have seen 4-5 at least in maybe sub 10 runs
elfin pulsar
huh ok
lime ingot
Titan toppler is so good now <3
elfin pulsar
i've had dummy good luck with hammers so I guess it evens out
obtuse merlin
I am glad because titan toppler was so hard to use well
plucky oxide
I actually really miss old Titan Toppler, just because of how many I-frames it gave you. But it's my favorite dash currently, and I'm taking it a lot more than I did, so I must not miss it that much.
lime ingot
Lol
elfin pulsar
it was unique and weird but its def awesome now
lime ingot
I don't think I even got to the current final boss unless I had Titan toppler lol
atomic panther
Tfw everyone's dunking on old titan toppler but it was my favorite boon with the old dash
obtuse merlin
I hope they lean in to self harm and reflect mechanics it feels like they could do a bit more
plucky oxide
It was SO UNIQUE I loved it
Changed the pace of combat and how you went about kiting.
obtuse merlin
I had real trouble with the timing I could never make it work
atomic panther
Exactly! The only problem I ever had was with spear spin (you couldn't spin dash well with it)
plucky oxide
New combat seems to have more emphasis on backstabs and staying in, instead of triple-dashing away from your enemy. So I guess that's similar to how I played Titan Topller
subtle shale
the old Titan Toppler had wonderful i-frames but it was a royal pain if you dashed into a bad situation
bold salmon
Really miss triple dash
obtuse merlin
oh man I loved old spear spin I did such op runs with them in prev patches
atomic panther
Overall I definitely like the new dash better
obtuse merlin
massive dammage
subtle shale
the new dash feels much better for dash attacks
I can actually tell where I'm going to be when I attack an enemy
obtuse merlin
artimis dash crit dash spin + athena on attack and bigger spin 👌
bold salmon
We ever figure out what the art/zeus duo boon was?
plucky oxide
Wait is world splitter still in the game, I haven't seen it yet. I saw sword flurry. Do those two.... stack?
atomic panther
Gods artemis dash crit was so long ago
World Splitter is certainly still in the game (and got BUFFED, again)
raven lintel
you can't get both
atomic panther
Aw, rats
plucky oxide
Lightning strike on crit, Ousel. Haven't seen it myself yet
raven lintel
if you pick one it takes the other out of the pool
obtuse merlin
how would that even work?
subtle shale
also I agree that the new combat flow feels more aggressive and less about kiting everything around
bold salmon
Which sucks cuz i was really liking the railgun
elfin pulsar
thats lame, you can get heavy slug with infinite chamber, should be able to get flurry splitter too
raven lintel
i could be wrong!
plucky oxide
Still, as much as I love world splitter it needed a nerf. If it's even better in this form.... hooboy.
raven lintel
i've picked flurry twice and splitter twice
and never seen the other on the second hammer
atomic panther
World Splitter is better now because, though it deals 20 less damage at base, it stacks with boons 3 times as well
plucky oxide
Oh boy that'll be fun
atomic panther
A +50% damage with old world splitter dealt 113, with new it deals 120.
That's ridiculous and exactly what it needed
plucky oxide
Gimme the Poseidon. Gimme the whole ocean. Let me split the world's seas with an epic attack upgrade.
raven lintel
world splitter still has some janky animation stuff
the hitboxes can be super unintuitive
plucky oxide
It's chunky i love it. Reminds me of the move in Transistor. Seems someone on the team is a fan of big slammy hit.
obtuse merlin
bastion had a few very heavy weapons too
bold salmon
Sorta like the dash special upgrade
plucky oxide
The closest thing you had was on sword special hammer, but that got removed.
hard holly
I wonder what the fastest times now are gonna look like
plucky oxide
I don't want to spread misinformation. Didn't it get changed?
elfin pulsar
yeah, no longer jumps you forward
dont remember what it was called before but I believe its "sudden nova" now
hard holly
It used to be sudden sunder I believe
elfin pulsar
sounds right
hard holly
Anyway, it now just makes your special faster
bold salmon
"Sudden Sunder (Blade): redesigned as Instant Nova; much faster but no longer blinks forward."
bold salmon
I need to learn the shield. It's the only weapon i just dont enjoy playing atm. Cant tell if its how i play is wrong or not though
hard holly
Probably the reason it was changed, yeah
Most of the changed or removed boons were useless, clunky or redundant
bold salmon
Though re-reading that patch notes theyve seemed to change a lot yea
obtuse merlin
I had some good shield special runs with dio and ares
lvl 8 dio on shield special with 6 x targets was insane
I imagine its still allright
plucky oxide
Shield is fun. I'm so sad to see shield-deflection skills fade to obscurity. When the boon pool was a lot smaller you could easily get multiple 'on taking damage, do X thing' boons on your character. Holding attack could block so much...
static skiff
Athena is still personally my favourite god in gameplay terms.
bold salmon
I literally forgot she was in the game for awhile cuz i never saw her
hard holly
Athena is just reliable
And probably the god I pick the most
But Im not sure she is the most fun, exactly
Id probably give that to Ares and his bladewhirls actually
bold salmon
Ares and athena are my least used 😅
hard holly
Maybe Dio and splash if that didnt crash my game twice
Oh yeah that one is great
Used to be the worst
elfin pulsar
athena is definitely my favorite right now
hard holly
Is one of the best now
Thats fun
Ares is a god I never want to see until Ive picked like 5 boons already
But once that is done, he is quite a good pick
elfin pulsar
getting an epic death defiance heal and then buying them all from wells is my favorite build
ares cast can apparently get pretty insane, though I've never built for it
obtuse merlin
yeah its pretty powerful
bold salmon
Someone posted a pic the other day with 400hp and like 5 death defiance's 😂
hard holly
It is
Its big problem is that it doesnt work with boiling blood
Which is a pretty hefty damage loss
obtuse merlin
I have had ares cast with longer delays so I had 12+ on screen
plucky oxide
Builds where dashing is your primary source of damage-ramping are usually a lot more fun for me. Deadly reversal with Athena dash.... Artemis' dash into heavy hitting moves.... Zeus or Poseidon dash runs with a lot of poms...
static skiff
A few hundred runs later, still never got a single legendary boon 
obtuse merlin
with bigger area and damage it get pretty crunchy
hard holly
Legendary boons have conditions
elfin pulsar
yeah I had a very similar build ousel, with an early posieden health increase thing its pretty reliable now
hard holly
Youre aware of those, right?
static skiff
Yes
wintry swan
Hey I've got a question about the rail shotgun upgrade
does each projectile trigger on hit effects?
hard holly
Cuz Im pretty sure you can get legendaries fairly reliably if you go towards those conditions
wintry swan
Do I get 5 zeus lightnings?
wintry swan
awwwwwww
elfin pulsar
doesn't work with bow special either sadly
bold salmon
Need to learn those progressions better cuz idk them
wintry swan
that is so sad
atomic panther
It does with shield, I thought it worked with bow too
subtle shale
Ares' Doom is still considered bad right?
bold salmon
Think ima try a full ares shield build
elfin pulsar
its interesting with the new debuff system, if you have weak or poison or whatever on them it deals 50% more damage
wintry swan
Oh its sick now instead of blight wine
atomic panther
Ares' doom can be downright broken with the right build
subtle shale
yeah the new debuff system is 👌
hard holly
Ares Doom is a lot better now
unkempt pagoda
i still haven't quite figured out the difference between old and new dash, besides that there are only two now
hard holly
By virtue of the dual boon which is busted with bow special
And the fact that Theseus is a prick
atomic panther
Shoot for the Aphro + Ares duo boon and build for atrition
plucky oxide
Wait. Shotgun can now have... another hammer upgrade?! I sense a disturbance, like hundreds of hydra's are now being instantly deleted...
bold salmon
just less snappy onyx
subtle shale
I really like that it incentivizes setting up enemies for big damage
hard holly
Theseus blocks just about everything
elfin pulsar
smoother (de)acceleration and more i-frames
hard holly
But doom still gets applied
So for that purpose
Pick doom on the less important part of your weapon
unkempt pagoda
oh, i had a really good run with the explosive shield special + ares' doom
bold salmon
"atrition"
hard holly
Of course, once Theseuss block is a bit more in line, Doom would be a lot less consistent
Pretty much just bow special duo boon
plucky oxide
Best way of dealing with spear-stabby-king, from experience: Ares curse + Aphro, or Artemis Exit Wounds
obtuse merlin
that sounds fun Onyx
hard holly
Yup
I love Exit wounds for it
Because Artemis is cool anyway
And its fairly easy to get
atomic panther
*attrition be nice to me I just did a presentation and a paper
pastel jolt
welp, i'm not surprised i lost this run jsut now. i was aiming for a zeus-centric rail build and proceeded to get exactly one zeus boon offered to me
hard holly
Although I think high damage, killing the minotaur first then trying to backstab theseus
Also should work
subtle shale
@Onyx the new dash has I-frames for the whole duration now
pastel jolt
got zeus attack, got flurry fire....... and then got nothing but aphrodite and dionysus offered to me. sigh.
hard holly
Speaking of which, Zeus is actually a bit weaker now
subtle shale
You can literally dash straight into attacks and not take damage now
hard holly
Since Theseus cannot take damage from the lightning bolts
Because for some reason, they always spawn in front of him
elfin pulsar
had zeus attack and legendary
atomic panther
I mean you still have to actually get past the Theseus part
hard holly
Aphrodite and Zeus are fine
elfin pulsar
ended up having to just special him to death
hard holly
Poseidon is hell
atomic panther
I don't think I've seen the Poseidon fight yet
elfin pulsar
theseus is actually pretty easy to avoid if your long ranged, im learning
atomic panther
I'm a little sad that Poseidon dash now pulls enemies along, it's harder for me to escape with it now
elfin pulsar
there are lots of cues for his spear, and he doesnt do much else
way sketchier at melee tho
bold salmon
For shield, if im going Aphro/Ares who do i want on what attack?
hard holly
Ok so Poseidons pattern
bold salmon
Ares Special Aphro melee?
hard holly
Is that he covers the whole arena except for small holes inbetween circles
Yknow like that square pattern Meg has with her pillars
Problem is, youll not have the luxury to stand in it, and dashing just into it is really hard
atomic panther
Aphro dash is the easiest way to reapply Weak
obtuse merlin
anyone done a good special power build yet?
atomic panther
What do you mean by special power
bold salmon
And what weapon?
obtuse merlin
the extra bar
bold salmon
Wrath?
obtuse merlin
yeah Wrath
atomic panther
Yeah! Ares wrath with blade rift boons is always fun
obtuse merlin
I've had some luck with aphro but its still a bit meh
calm sable
I don't know if there's a good way of intentionally building for that beyond the fact that Ares probably has the best one
atomic panther
Get the +size boons and go ham
hard holly
You dont really build for Wraths
Theyre just a good thing to have
Ontop of your regular kit
calm sable
from the Wraths I've used
Ares > Poseidon > Zeus > Aphrodite
atomic panther
Maybe YOU don't >:(
obtuse merlin
but there are good synergies though
hard holly
Personally I like Athenas a lot
obtuse merlin
you can get faster fill of wrath
hard holly
Because its just no commitment
plucky oxide
What's the best passive Wrath bonus out there? Athena's base 25% gain?
hard holly
You get free invulnerability and get to do your regular things
atomic panther
I like Artemis wrath (plus it got buffed this patch!) but I'm one of few
hard holly
Either that one or a "extra gain on attacking" one
I dont know if that one exists
The "build extra meter on taking damage" one is too risky and dangerous for my taste
obtuse merlin
I thought they were both extra fill on damage and attack
atomic panther
The passive wrath boons are:
obtuse merlin
I am pretty sure I saw on attack
would be cool to do extra damage plus a revenge boon if that is workable though
atomic panther
Zeus - extra meter gain on everything
Poseidon - extra meter gain on taking damage
Athena - start each encounter with meter partially charged
Artemis - bonus meter gain on crit
obtuse merlin
ah nice info thanks
hard holly
Then Id say Athenas is the best, if those are all of them
Artemiss if you can get crits reliably maybe
atomic panther
Zeus goes up to ~20% of wrath gained at epic, Poseidon ~40% of wrath gained, Athena ~40% max, and Artemis ~1% max bar
If I remember correctly
obtuse merlin
artimis wrath build might work with cast then
plucky oxide
Kind of wish their was a keepsake out there that made Wrath appear more often in boon lists, or made 'on taking damage' boons appear more often. Some niche builds just aren't viable due to the boon pool, like a shield retaliation or Ares wrath build.
hard holly
I mean Wrath is one of the 5 boon choices from the first selection
Something that personally annoys me greatly because I never start with a wrath
obtuse merlin
yeah its not a great opener
plucky oxide
I'm also talking passive Wrath effects as well. And new keepsakes can be taken on different floors once direction needs to be taken
obtuse merlin
just a + wrath growth keep sake would do it I think
bold salmon
Hammer or Art+Ares door?
obtuse merlin
what weapon?
hard holly
Id say Hammer
obtuse merlin
difficult prob hammer
hard holly
Lots of good hammer upgrades
obtuse merlin
it can be a real game changer for shield
bold salmon
Hammer it is
hard holly
And ignoring that doom on shield special is still not great to itemize
There also arent really any boons that work with it
Short of uh
The Aphrodite one
Yeah Shield has probably the best hammer upgrades
obtuse merlin
shield special with dio is good in my experience
hard holly
The dash attack one gives you a decent amount of roomclearing and lets you utilize Artemis's dash well
The double-tap one is one of the few remaining multiplicative upgrades
Powershot Bull Rush is the best upgrade in the game, dont @ me
And Sudden Charge, aka Deja Vu, is still hella fun
bold salmon
I got Mirage Flight, Sudden rush, Dread Flight
hard holly
Sudden rush, easily
obtuse merlin
mirage flight is sadly underpowered
bold salmon
Was mostly thinking Sudden Rush or Dread flight cuz currently just spamming my special
hard holly
But Sudden Charge gives you mobility, damage and quick blocking
atomic panther
Dread flight is AMAZING for a special build
hard holly
It was nerfed but its still hella good
pseudo tapir
What is the highest possible burst damage?
hard holly
I mean, I guess, but I still dont think going for a special build is good
Define "burst damage"
If you mean damage in a single instance regardless of buildup
Technically there is no limit
If you mean damage without buildup
Someone had a 2k crit recently?
hard holly
1000 damage crits are fairly easily doable
Well, technically no
Practically, yes there is
Because enemies die after a while
Though
If you do it on Theseus
And he blocks everything
There is no practical limit
pseudo tapir
nice
bold salmon
Im fighting meg with half speed cuz of Chaos xD
hard holly
Could be worse
raven lintel
I think the limit is maybe 9999 Brage
pseudo tapir
What's your take on stygian blade?
hard holly
Imagine fighting meg with shield
With damage on attack
Really hard to use
But pretty powerful
raven lintel
That's what Thanatos hits for when he instakills stuff
pseudo tapir
I think it's amazing
hard holly
I love Worldsplitter, but havent gotten it in a while
pseudo tapir
It's great. Combine world splitter with crits, and you're in for an easy run
Finished Theseus in under 1 minute with it, barely taking damage
(with help from athena wrath)
Stygian sure is flexible. I would say it has the most damage potential of any weapon
pearl willow
if you apply sweet surrender to an enemy then thanatos will deal more than 9999 damage fwiw
pseudo tapir
Wow
bold salmon
What do you prioritize in mirror when capped at 1k darkness?
forest marsh
Dash and Death Defiance, myself
bold salmon
Havent even unlocked that yet 😅
forest marsh
Everything else is gravy
bold salmon
Keep wondering what out of Shadow Presence, Boiling Blood, and Privileged Status i should focus
I figure that order actually thinking on it.
forest marsh
Boiling Blood is great vs bosses
bold salmon
Privileged status sounds nice but not really usable until the last half
And im assuming its useless on art and zeus
bold salmon
Need the wiki to be updated xP
Realizing how much better Death Defiance is vs Thick Skin
31 heat run lets goooo
tepid fiber
anyone else's game lag after picking up the new razor shoals
bold salmon
Havent gotten it so no
also boiling blood is sorta useless since im going ares/aphro
lyric path
Each update to this game changes the way I play. With the addition of the multiple curse buff, I love Dionysus’s Special boon for the Bow. I’m focusing on trying to get that plus Aphrodite’s Weakness and destroying everything.
turbid needle
yeah, I started to like even Blade
turbid needle
but yeah... I had even one run that I was an absolute mono-artemis disaster basically
hollow cliff
Or is he an npc on the second level
wintry swan
Than shows up randomly
turbid needle
Instant Nova + Empowering Nova + Heroic Special and Attack + Clean Kill + Hunter Mark + Hunter Dash
hollow cliff
Ah okay, thanks
bold salmon
So zeus basic attack doesnt work with bull rush?
quaint gale
yeah, DudeWhoYouKnow, he only (...seems to?) show up in the second area
hard holly
Uh
turbid needle
it does work
forest marsh
Can confirm Thanatos shows up in all three biomes
hard holly
But its only one or two room layouts he seems to appear in
turbid needle
the mutliple hits hammer on shield + Zeus = beware of Fps lol
lyric path
Also, Anyone else loving the new dash as much as I am?
turbid needle
everybody
lyric path
I feel like I can actually aim now with my dash attacks.
bold salmon
Im not everybody then xD
turbid needle
the biggest good part is that u don't have that moment of "ugh, can't move" after dash
you can actually reload midst dashing without trying to wait for stars to align
quaint gale
you can even start charging an arrow shot during the dash
quasi knoll
i hope they add a freeze status effect
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quaint gale
that'll be a problem if they add the effect
quaint gale
faster I'd say
it doesn't make the numbers go up but it at least does something in a boss fight
valid burrow
Aphro feels a lot more useful with the new mirror perk. I've been running a Aphrodite/Athena vuild for the shield and it's great. Also Dio/Aphro is an awesome build for many weapons.
Really love having 2 hammer upgrades too
bold salmon
Ares + Aphro can basically have Privileged status at all times once you get the duo
lime ingot
I like Ares aphro when I can get it
Esp with a fast attack weapon.
Curse with special, spam aphro attack for never ending doom
bold salmon
Currently doing that with shield
Got aphro on basic and Ares on special
Gonna try and get ares legendary also
unborn marten
Has anyone had any problems with sword nova knocking the elysium ghosts out of screen? I think I've lost two sub-13 min runs to this already...
forest marsh
Yup
wintry swan
God I wish that death boat had a specific icon
So that I could pick it ALL THE TIME
THAT MUSIC BANGS
bold salmon
These shields are way to hard to kill...
Just lost my run to 5 shield guys with armor.
Could barely even touch them
radiant urchin
Rarity is better
elfin pulsar
can confirm
lost rose
ok good
i don't take heat gates often haha
primal cape
hey just wondering is there a way to view all your boons? I haven't been able to figure it out since they updated the ui
elfin pulsar
I don't have the guts to take them in situations like this
lost rose
Yeah, if you check the controls in the options menu, Ex, you can see the new hotkey
bold salmon
its select on controller