I think by the time it was over with i had zeus lightning on base attack, pos water on my special, their duo, zeus legendary lightning, and cluster bomb
#h1-builds-and-combat
hard holly
Man Ive not done regular spear in ages
frosty pier
lightning from attack upgrade is there
elfin pulsar
these elysium soul things are extremely annoying with death insurance
turbid needle
...deep inside I always wanted to be a tank in Hades https://i.imgur.com/Wv9pIyp.jpg
bold salmon
Ummmm?
turbid needle
441 hp
upbeat junco
What does the new Zeus Artemis duo do?
bold salmon
I dont even know what the hearts on top of your health bar are Wisp
hard holly
Death defiance
bold salmon
Oh wow
bold salmon
ugh, not cussing is hard
hard holly
Well, things like bloody, hell and darn are ok
dire mason
We believe in you!! 
dire mason
Nope! Only if people are really doing it on purpose, you should be alright.
bold salmon
Ok, i cant promise ill stop cuz its just how i talk but ill just reword after it deletes 😅
Anyways, did you go in with the intention to get that much hp with Ares, also i dont know how you got enough hearts to do that, i dont think ive gone over 225hp
frosty pier
Max hp i had was 500
elfin pulsar
damn, just a sliver away from beating these goons on 50
theseus has some beast aim with that spear
hard holly
Mmh
I love the exalted, but Im not sure about Theseus and Asterius
Asterius is a fine and fun boss
But Theseus is a bit too random in terms of what god backs him up, and his blocking is inconsistent and kinda annoying
elfin pulsar
yeah between the random blocking and the hectic nature of the ground target stuff, along with chariots or whatever after you kill cow, hes not that fun
feel like he has to stay on screen at all times too or gonna eat a spear to the chest
unkempt pagoda
Y'all i need help, I got to the first room of elysium and i killed this enemy that kinda looked like zag but darker, and now i don't know how to progress
am I stuck?
elfin pulsar
you just killed zags immortal soul, its over
unkempt pagoda
i killed it really fast cause deadly reversal, so maybe it's a bug?
turbid needle
some of them can ressurect
heady zephyr
is it just me or does poseidon knockback seem kind of inconsistent now?
heady zephyr
i've had it not proc against slamdancers and wave-whatever-erers a few times last run
hard holly
That crawl back to their weapon and resurrect themselves
You might not have killed the cell
unkempt pagoda
i've been here for a few minutes without any noticeable enemies
elfin pulsar
it can be hard to find them on some of the maps
unkempt pagoda
what do they look like? they might be hiding behind some props
elfin pulsar
you might be bugged tho, somebody else in ehre said they got bugged with an out of bounds enemy a few minutes ago
unkempt pagoda
i can't quit it's giving me give up :^(
fluid moat
okay so I'd suggest submitting a bug report
unkempt pagoda
i'll look around for a few more
fluid moat
maybe forcequitting the game
but if you've been in there for minutes 😂 I don't know if you'll find what you are looking for
hard holly
That doesnt change it
The run is probably forfeit
Anyway
They look like big, purple-black-ish blobs
unkempt pagoda
oh i just found it
unkempt pagoda
and i killed it, however i could only do it with my dash since it was being blocked by something
gonna submit that
fluid moat
yeah I've had a few cases where the shades end up in weird spots
frosty pier
Btw am I insane or chariots have like 1k hp?
heady zephyr
they have a lot
hollow minnow
AHH THIS NEW UPDATE IS SO AWESOME!!!!
Esylium is beautiful!!!!!
I didn't get far enough to see any boss, but I got to chamber 34!!!!!!!!!!!
And i FINALLYYYYYYYYY beat the Hydra on 60 heat!!!! It was /amazing/!!!!!!!!!!!! Hades' Blade Rift all the way!!! I was dealing so much damage I could use Hades Wrath every 3-4 seconds! It was incredible!!! Plus I got lucky enough to buy 5 DD's.....man, it was AMAZING. Super disspointed the statue is still covered up, but I assume you have to beat the newest boss before that happens!! Guess this'll be long-term....
Have you guys seen the new boss yet?!!?
I was at chamber 34--it that close?? 😄 😄
frosty pier
6 rooms
hollow minnow
WHOA. 6 rooms away?! To think i could've made it if I' only had more health!!!
gusty nexus
I am not brave enough to do heat runs yet XD
fluid moat
keep at it, you'll get there
loud sand
man, just lost two really good runs in a row because of shades getting stuck out of bounds
fluid moat
👍
hollow minnow
They'll make you want to tear your hair out, but at the same time they are super fun! 😛
gusty nexus
Had a really clutch victory over the last two bosses.
fluid moat
@loud sand really useful if you submit bug reports using F10 in game if you haven't already (because that transfers the save file over) and if you can submit a description as well
gusty nexus
17 health, out of death defiances
hard holly
I should get used to heat runs again
loud sand
@fluid moat ah damn that's good to know, didn't know that submitted the save file too. Will do that next time
hard holly
I can handle 100% extra damage fine now, but the old standard 500% are a ways off
fluid moat
no worries! good luck I hope that doesnt happen to you on a third run 😂
hollow minnow
500 plus damage is INSANE
hollow minnow
splutters in disbelief
fluid moat
on current patch
hollow minnow
whaaat?! 1.9k???????
hard holly
Highest possible one should be Shield
gusty nexus
Spear is my fav weapon
hard holly
Anyway, guess Spin Spear is still fine
Neat
Ill probably play it again
Since special is now kinda bad
Even with Launcher being better than it used to be
hollow minnow
Oo-oh-oh!!! Has any one else had the ABSOLUTEY AMAZING HAMMER UPDATE where your Special (i used spear) has a massive explosion when returning to you?!!!? It's amazing!!!! I hope it never ever changes!!! It helped me beat the Hydra!!!!!!
fluid moat
I mean they nerfed all of the "guarentee crits"
somber epoch
I just dabbed so hard on everything
fluid moat
now spear special deals compareable damage to other things 😂
instead of being off the charts
hard holly
Eh
Now it actually does awful damage
Its worse than it used to be
You lost 66-75% damage
fluid moat
so now your base crit with 2 things is 300 instead of 1k?
somber epoch
K so athena deflect on attack + hammer for shield that makes dash attack aoe = mobile deflect shield
bold salmon
Just found my first heroic
https://imgur.com/XZy5Mla
hard holly
Athena special upgrade
It used to be 225 damage
Now its like, 80 damage?
Compared to sword, Railgun, Bow and Shield being able to do that with 1 upgrade
Like Spear Special was overtuned
fluid moat
I mean this:
https://youtu.be/9YHKvi_Zh3U?t=59
hard holly
But never even remotely that overtuned
quaint gale
wait what
fluid moat
ahh yeah my bad they shifted the daedulus in the speedrun 😂
still a crit on 200 damage a hit
with 2 things
hard holly
As opposed to doing 160 damage per dash attack with 2 things
As I said
Slightly overtuned
heady zephyr
Exagryph+shotgun+explosive shot+poseidon is still hilarious
hard holly
Instead its straight up bad now
fluid moat
yeahhh still not seeing it 😂 guess I must just be pretty inexperienced with the game sorry
hard holly
Well, consider that with the 2 things that spear needs to do 80 damage per return
Just heavy slug or worldsplitter alone do that
Add an Athena boon
And its already up to 140
fluid moat
you aren't considering rate though
hard holly
Add Hunter's Dash on AR, and its 220
You mean rate of attack?
True, Im not, so lets cover that really quickly
Spears is slower than that of the weapons Im talking about
Might actually be even with Heavy Slug
But yeah, the problem is that now, you have to get a lot more things on spear just to be outclassed by other weapons with fewer things
It needed a small nerf
Specifically, the 10% damage amp it has
And thats it
The change to additive damage, and the nerf to the backstab trait already wouldve severely reduced its capabilities
fluid moat
interesting, I did a spear special run recently and didnt have any trouble 🤔 so cool seeing a different idea of feedback
hope everyone else is enjoying the reworks and different approaches!
bold salmon
Jesus christ this fight is a lot harder than the first 2
fluid moat
LOL yeah ousel I got rekt the first time
hard holly
I did one today where I got the explosive launcher
It was alright
But the damage was lacking on the final boss
bold salmon
Im on 2nd try, got the spear guy low but its damn hard
quaint gale
I'm having personal issues staying alive with melee weapons against them
fluid moat
the shield on the spear guy is rough
hard holly
Yeah
fluid moat
I found Wraths to be insanely helpful wastrel
bold salmon
Was spamming rail special on him
hard holly
Like, if I were to suggest changes
Up Explosives launcher damage up to 100%
And lower its recovery a little
quaint gale
yeah...it feels like a bandaid instead of a strategy shift though
elfin pulsar
thesus does not aim that spear with his hand, for he does not forget the face of his father
he shoots with his mind
hard holly
Remove damage amp, return guaranteed crit on Vicious Skewer
fluid moat
that's fair, I think the audio cues are really useful, you can tell when they are about to do certain attacks
hard holly
And idk, change multiskewer to somethings totally different
quaint gale
yeah, I'll just have to keep an ear out
fluid moat
word
quaint gale
I want theseus the hell out of the fight pronto
elfin pulsar
i've had theseus nail me out of preemptive dashes multiple times, dude is sick with it
elfin pulsar
i honestly have zero trouble with the minotaur, especially in his solo fight
but i've only used ranged builds since the patch sooo
quaint gale
he blocks SO MUCH
fluid moat
the beefyness is there
raven lintel
20 min clear with the shield, my next fastest is 28
fluid moat
maybe a damage break mechanic? on the shield?
raven lintel
exploding return is pretty nuts
hard holly
Could work
quaint gale
maybe...
quaint gale
yeah, it just becomes pacing out the damage against him
I was enjoying hitting him with poison on the gun so when he blocks he was still getting chipped
elfin pulsar
the key to that fight is probably going to be getting used to dodging theseus enough to not think about him
he gives you a lot of time to hit him after he throws the spear, and if you dash when he flashes white you'll dodge 100%
its just when there are ground explosions and chariots and everything all over it gets real tough
fluid moat
yeah it's like what is worse, chariot + theseus or Mino + theseus
elfin pulsar
really hard to say, I bet everybody will do it differently, which is pretty sweet
fluid moat
yeah I love that so far
elfin pulsar
three different ways to beat that fight
quaint gale
those chariots sneak up on me honestly
and multiple of them can show up
I'd rather the minotaur swing his axe in a corner somewhere
fluid moat
especially with the additive damage, it really seems to push the idea you need multiple boons and trying to find combos to work through, istead of picking 1 thing and pumping poms into it.
I've been reading up on peoples favorite builds and they are VERY different 😂
quaint gale
yeah, builds have been feeling more flexible with this. but it does mean peak damage went down a bit
...120 heat runs...
elfin pulsar
with the new patch, especially the double hammer there are a ton of options now
fluid moat
yeah
I think builds that spread poms will be better to
artemis became even more powerful
elfin pulsar
im quite happy about that, the meta being pom stacking instead of boon stacking was boring to me
though it felt pretty necessary lol
fluid moat
yeah
I mean the mechanics of playing the game has always been fun
but the shift towards boons over poms is cool or uhhhh idk that's not quite right
loud sand
yeah, it makes runs feel much more engaging throughout so far
quaint gale
it feels more varied now
wintry swan
Is it artemis or athena that gives the crit proc on deflect boon
loud sand
I feel like with the pom stacking meta I knew pretty much what I was aiming for within the first couple upgrades, but now there are more emergent paths that show up
green birch
it's either of them
fluid moat
^
wintry swan
ooooooh
green birch
you need one boon from each of them
wintry swan
thats niiiice
fluid moat
^
wintry swan
Oh I got boons from them
green birch
then next time you see them either might have it
wintry swan
Boons for days
green birch
good
mental idol
whats a good build for the new boss I'm getting destroyed
fluid moat
yeah @loud sand also it seems combining special and attack is starting to get to the place, where using both is more useful than only focusing on one
it's still only with a few builds, but it's now viable
green birch
Fowl, shield or Athena boons are a good place to start
hard holly
This patch has definitely made a lot of previously just bad choices worth picking if not outright interesting
fluid moat
artemis fowl, get the athena wrath
hard holly
Minotaur Rush is now on the level of Deja Vu
Where previously it was just not pickable
Exit wounds is useful now
Exit wounds
Course, the shield special stuff that remained is still bad, but yknow, steps
green birch
sheild special is fabulous with mirage flight and the new mirror upgrade, you get stack effects fast
fluid moat
I did a zeus shield special run earlier, very fun; highly suggest it if you want a laugh; get thunder dash + the zeus special and then the passives from zeus that buff those if you can
YES minotea
quaint gale
I think hunter's mark from artemis opens up some interesting builds
green birch
for sure
quaint gale
finally the alternation between attack and special feels effective
fluid moat
with the flat 5% to everything passive, and hunter's mark and another form to cofnrim a crit
every damage source you do has like a 40%+ chance to crit
hard holly
Oh yeah Mirage Flight is cool
fluid moat
and that being the multiplicative portion of damage, is crazy
proud palm
Artemis. Pretty sure
quaint gale
I really wanna hone a build using hunter's mark and empowering nova
hard holly
Made the Launcher a lot better
quaint gale
that seems amazing
hard holly
Still probably not good enough
loud sand
yeah I was playing a sword build with thrust always critting + hunter's mark and it was just crits for days
wintry swan
3 away from getting a boon and no gold urn spawns in the shop
proud palm
(nvm, was replying to a much earlier comment lol)
hard holly
Welp, Ill probably do some more Hades runs tomorrow
wintry swan
got 5 dd and both athena dd perks
fluid moat
gettum leo
hard holly
See if I cant make Spear Special work reasonably well somehow
fluid moat
yeah I'd love to suggest poseidon special or the duo athena artemis special spear
it's ridiculous
green birch
this patch is teaching me to use specials as an accent to my main attack
instead of treating them like a separate attack altogether
fluid moat
yessss
hard holly
Its certainly better now
fluid moat
yeah shifting away from pom-ing into a single thing only is great
forest marsh
That is hateful anti-bow rhetoric
forest marsh
Bow special is great
elfin pulsar
im doing it right now on bow because I have dio on my special, so its letting me hit my 2 curses easy
forest marsh
They've done so much to improve it
hard holly
I only use it to clear or deflect projectiles
elfin pulsar
the end lag is way faster now
green birch
bow special is awesome, I had whole builds centered around it, and I'm excited to see how I can use it more in Elysium
I'm a big fan of relentless barrage
fluid moat
mino I was doing a sword build earlier, and using the sword primary attack to apply curse marks and then having a poseidon special to crit 😂 it was fun to combine them
OHHHH I need to try one of those
probably what I'll do next
hard holly
The status effects are also interesting
Though
Zeus's is a bit odd
Because its so hard to keep on the opponent
green birch
Oh yo????
wintry swan
He seems to be the stronger one
green birch
hearing about peoples' boss strats is wild
For me the Minotaur was the crux of the fight
forest marsh
I don't like leaving Theseus with a bunch of health. I don't really care which dies first as long as the other as at like, 50%
hard holly
Yeah
Taking Theseus out first makes the fight a lot easier
But its a real pain trying to kill Theseus in the first place
Since he blocks damn near everything
fluid moat
I get them close together to snuggle, pop a wrath and then let them have it 😂
wintry swan
Yeah. His block is super strong
hahahahaha
I had the shield dash buff
that makes it aoe
and 3 attack boosters
fluid moat
nice
wintry swan
and so I got them close and hit 50 on both pretty quick
wintry swan
Note that he calls upon different gods
got posidon my first time, Dionysus my second.
green birch
Athena first for me
wintry swan
Ouch
green birch
Yeah
wintry swan
did he deflect? Because thats really what he needed
more shield
Hell I cant really figure out his vulnerable time frame
quaint gale
first boon: athena special. second boon: artemis cast. third boon: athena artemis duo
green birch
no, but the circlet attacks were everywhere
quaint gale
fates be kind
green birch
at least not that I could tell
wintry swan
Daaang wastrel
elfin pulsar
what I can say for sure is that after theseus throws the spear he starts walking away from you, thats the easiest time to hit him
quaint gale
hey I said I was gonna do it
median ridge
hahaHAHAHA the minotaur can absolutely be charmed. this is amazing
green birch
I had already beaten the minotaur so for me that was actually the easiest phase of the fight weirdly
median ridge
i have the rail, infinity chamber, aphro on attack and aphro’s legendary
median ridge
minotaur spent the entire miniboss fight chasing after gorgons
green birch
INCREDIBLE
quaint gale
wow
hard holly
So far, Ive had 3 patterns
green birch
I've really been sleeping on aphro builds... I'm just a sucker for Ares/Artemis man...
hard holly
No wait, 4
quaint gale
wonder if that is an oversight...?
hard holly
Artemis, Aphrodite, Poseidon and Dionysus
elfin pulsar
charm is a crazy good mechanic, especially with what I assume were all the bug fixes this patch
hard holly
Dionysus and Artemis were free, Aphrodite really easy, and Poseidon basically impossible
green birch
He calls one of the gods you don't have a boon of right?
wintry swan
Maybe
I havent seen him do it yet, so that makes sense
I feel like him calling posidon is kinda an insult to his friend tho.
wintry swan
Wall smashes are very strong
quaint gale
I had Ares. it's delayed explosions on your position
fluid moat
I love the increased trap damage to enemies too
wintry swan
Really
fluid moat
using that as a strat is fun
fluid moat
yeah just wack them in 😂
wintry swan
I like that theres ones that are wall mounted, so you dont overshoot them
quaint gale
and the bombs and pillars reform
hard holly
I dont think so, actually
elfin pulsar
bombs reforming is pretty cool, opens up some alternative strats
hard holly
Pretty sure when he called on Artemis
quaint gale
oh NO
hard holly
I had one of her boons
quaint gale
hammer in shop for 200...I have 199......
fluid moat
break pots monkaS
quaint gale
no refuge in pots here
fluid moat
forest marsh
There, you have the extra you need 
wintry swan
Hey have they fixed the butterfly yet?
forest marsh
I didn't realize it was broken?
fluid moat
haha yeah what needed fixing?
wintry swan
When you take it off it no longer gives the boost
forest marsh
Oh, that's not a bug
wintry swan
Last I checked at least
forest marsh
That's a feature
wintry swan
Hahahahaha
forest marsh
No keepsakes keep their effect after removal
wintry swan
Gotcha
forest marsh
Why should Pierced Butterfly be an exception?
quaint gale
yeah, you're in it for the whole run
wintry swan
I feel like that just makes it too weak versus boon getters in the first 2 floors then skull earing
forest marsh
It's a risk-reward
quaint gale
2.5 at level 3
wintry swan
1.5 to begin with
elfin pulsar
first time perfecting the dumb boat
wintry swan
Oh man I didn't unlock the statues
elfin pulsar
they really made it so much easier
wintry swan
God I'm going to have to beat buddy cops with heat
elfin pulsar
yeah but you can get a pretty nice damage buff in the first two zones, potentially
wintry swan
hell Getting through elysium with 60 heat is gonna be a paaaaaiiiiin
mental idol
is blight strike on shield good
wintry swan
Whats it do?
hard holly
Applies sick
Generally speaking, no
Shield doesnt attack fast enough to use it, and other boons are considerably better
wintry swan
God they added so many new debuffs
elfin pulsar
yeah been trying to do 50 right now, death insurance on the cells is super hard to deal with
wintry swan
oooh
elfin pulsar
and then when I finally made it to the dynamic duo they gave me the business
green birch
dio is great on spear, bow special, and adamant rail; don't use him when you're doing high but slow damage
wintry swan
nasty
green birch
He's meant to stack with small but fast damage
heady mango
I just had a pretty interesting run 16% reduced damage standing in Festive Fog, 32% reduced damage from nearby foes, and +5s Weak duration on my dash
The biome 3 bosses were hitting me for 3 damage
green birch
a hit is a gentle breeze to you
heady mango
Ended with 125/235hp and 4 DD
heady mango
I mean they'd be doing 15 per hit which is about as much as a normal enemy
median ridge
HAHAHAHA theseus is weak to charm too
i just made those two fight themselves instead of me
wintry swan
They fought over you
forest marsh
MVW
wintry swan
They wanted you so much they competed for your attention
elfin pulsar
wow I really want to do an exit wounds+quick reload+chaos cast increases build now
even with just 3 casts the exit wounds are doing 600 damage every 2.84 seconds
wintry swan
daaang
elfin pulsar
which I guess would be 900 if I had the epic, cant believe they made exit wounds good
turbid needle
it's very specific build stlye
probably very hard to get those 2 together
since it's basically same-ish type of boon
forest marsh
@lone fossil Bugs should be reported in-game using the F10 key, not in the #hades-feedback channel
Sorry to hear about your prog stop, though
rugged crag
I feel like im doing way less damage, these runs are taking so much longer. Not really saying whether that is good or bad, but does anyone else feel that way?
forest marsh
The change to primarily additive damage has reduced the damage output, yes. That said, they've made up for it in other ways. You may find that you have to alter your playstyle or try new paths of boon-weapon-hammer combos if your old style isn't working
heady zephyr
Artemis/athena duo is so good
forest marsh
For my part, I've found that clearing to Hydra still takes about the same amount of time as pre-patch, and Elysium takes about as long as the first two biomes combined
forest marsh
Asterius is very beefy, yes
heady zephyr
Elysium feels a bit overtuned , although I'll need a few more runs to get a feel for it
forest marsh
That has been remarked on in the feedback channel, I think
rugged crag
Muh vicious skewer, so weak
the spin attack on the spear is much stronger now though
elfin pulsar
yeah I think its a little too hard too, unless you get an OP hammer combo its a large difficulty increase
forest marsh
Especially in these first few days after the patch, I'd get your thoughts into #hades-feedback (just read what others have put first to avoid duplicates)
turbid needle
Spear Special got murdered kinda, ah and backstab got halved
forest marsh
That's the best way to communicate your experience to the devs and make meaningful changes for the better
heady zephyr
or an OP boon combo...I had a shield athena/artemis build and it was fun as hell basically royalguarding your way around the elysian enemies
rugged crag
ofc, it says im not a member of the feedback channel tho now. I've never posted there before or seen that block.
forest marsh
Just gotta read the pinned post(s) in #hades-feedback for instructions 
elfin pulsar
do you guys take infernal gates in asphodel? im too scared to try rn
forest marsh
And again, please read what others have posted first and vote on those options before potentially duplicating feedback
rugged crag
thanks for the tip
forest marsh
Infernal Gates are actually the same difficulty (more or less) anywhere because they currently only use Tartarus enemies
turbid needle
@elfin pulsar I'm just skipping them sometimes in Elysium
forest marsh
So yes, I take them in Asphodel
turbid needle
ah you mean the heat ones LUL
elfin pulsar
yeah, cant believe they all use tartarus enemies thats weird
forest marsh
Yeah, I hope they change that... Otherwise the increased threshold for entry doesn't make much sense
elfin pulsar
it might be to make 25 heat runs a little harder
forest marsh
I mean, don't get me wrong, I love it 'cause it's an easy win... but still, it doesn't make sense
elfin pulsar
in tartarus they are easy enough that I take them almost every time, assuming my build dont suck
taking all of them in asphodel as well at 25 heat might be too easy overall
speaking of sweet builds, the new two debuff talent thing is awesome, playing the sword with dio on my attack and aphro on my special and its very sweet
huge damage buffs and relatively safe
forest marsh
It really depends what the other exits offer for if I'm going to take an Infernal Gate
elfin pulsar
makes sense
I really like them as a way to turn all blue room options into something relevant
this is actually the easiest 50 heat run i've ever done, the sword special feels so much better its unbelievable
dusky drum
im mad that i wasnt able to do 120 before elysium and now i have to go through it to get the 120 done
forest marsh
You and me both
dusky drum
and before the update one time i died during hydra 7 head
i was really mad
because that run took me like an hour
elfin pulsar
I thought they made the hydras melee attack easier to see but I'm not sure they actually did
its probably just because I suck but I got chomped in a big way trying to fight him with a sword
forest marsh
It depends on the angle, I've found
Sideways seems easier than vertical
They do a kind of pull-back-hiss animation prior to biting
I still get bit all the time, though
heady zephyr
same
once i get to elysium i just stack health like crazy
the game seems to give you hearts every chamber or every other chamber anyway
pearl willow
aphrodite wrath is putting in -work- in elysium lol, can build it pretty quickly with triple shot + explosive shot and the zeus boon for faster wrath and they do so much of my job for me. getting what seems to be compute lag when there are enough targets though.
dusky drum
wait untill when the full game comes out they recommend a new game
so you have to work harder for things
because i was able to get through elysium first try
and now i feel like i cheesed to get 2 of the heat statues
heady zephyr
is it a framerate drop or is it intended slowdown? i felt it since the update but i thought it was the latter
neon umbra
Hey do you think rewards from tartarus to asphodes more rewarding since hydra takes 5 minutes and a lot of health to beat like maybe extra death diffience or extra money
native ether
got a sword run down! nice to have one of those again
Ares + Aphrodite is by far the melee strategy (with the duo)
Throw both debuffs on targets and run around avoiding hits
heady zephyr
plus in elysium especially it's fun as hell basically royalguarding the strongbows to death
pearl willow
that was one of my cleanest kills on the new boss, they'd just whack each other with the charm up and the triple explosions chopped them both down nicely
elfin pulsar
sweet, seems like charm is really nice vs them
heady zephyr
poseidon shotgun seems like it was nerfed? or at least it seems like you spend more time yeeting enemies out of the map than you do damaging them now
quaint gale
@fluid moat https://i.imgur.com/AJaQCv0.jpg turns out special spear ain't too bad
600 damage per throw and retrieve once the mark kicked in
elfin pulsar
gross
600 each or total?
https://imgur.com/a/z775zZw finally won at 50 heat, with the sword of all things
forest marsh
What are you running for Pact?
quaint gale
600 total
elfin pulsar
one sec, ill check
the only thing I remember is 30% damage increase
vicious torment: +30% | grim inev: -40% | death insurance: 2 | convience: 0% | pain tolerance: 50% | veil: 0 | frenzy: 5% | shared misery: 50% | stifling: infinite
changed it up for the sword run, was running 0 insurance before
quaint gale
you had death insurance on??? jesus
forest marsh
DI isn't so bad depending on the weapon
elfin pulsar
it was hellish with the bow but its 100% why I won this run
didnt have much health left, woulda died to the dynamic duo if nothing else
i really like 40% reduced healing because you still get healed for +2 per room, if you go to 60% its only 1
heady zephyr
the status when they have the cast lodged in them, isn't it?
also, apparently you can have multiple duo effects at once
west wren
ohhhhhh
heady zephyr
so i have zeus/arti and zeus/poseidon at the same time
so my crits and knock-aways both cause lightning
quaint gale
man, you guys were right about athena dash
being able to attack through the dash makes it amazing
median ridge
so ummmm....i went to the room where skelly is and there’s an elysium chariot there? and more keep spawning in?
they’re not attacking they’re just being extra training dummies
is this supposed to happen?
quaint gale
I've never heard of that...
median ridge
the lack of dialogue for this makes me think it’s a bug
quaint gale
could be explained later possibly? I dunno
forest marsh
Definitely report that as a bug
There used to be a bug a long time ago where a Lout would spawn in there, I suspect this is related
median ridge
okay that was definitely a bug because when i started the run there were three chariots right there, before i could even take the boon. and those ones were hostile
reported both instances of being haunted by chariots
forest marsh
That feeling when your sword run is going so well (and I'm garbage at it, so exceptional for me) and then you get prog-stopped in chamber 34 
median ridge
had to give up immediately because i cannot fight three chariots without any buffs
median ridge
sword
heady zephyr
ah, that might be a problem
yeah, by the time you get to elysium it feels like you need either a solid knockback or deflection ability
severe jewel
my first run to elysium i had water bow so i thought the chariots where underwhelming
but nah
heady zephyr
i've done 2 elysium runs so far with poseidon shotgun and athena/arti shield
heady zephyr
it seems a bit less memey than before
yeah, i'll have to try that one
i ran shotgun+explosive and it's real nice, but the explosion graphics make it hard to see enemies beneath the effects
severe jewel
i just posted in feedback about explosive making it too hard to see
especially against minotaur
heady zephyr
yeah, i saw/agreed
although shotgun in general isn't great against ornstein and smough
quaint gale
instant nova is seriously making the nova my favorite attack in the game
quaint gale
this is so satisfying to keep smacking them with a nova slice nova slice
severe jewel
like at all tbh
heady zephyr
i have yet to try it this update
heady zephyr
shield feels quite a bit better
bow is as good as it ever was, and the new arti boons (especially the duos) means that a crit bow build is really powerful without being too cheesy
severe jewel
i just like the ranged weapons too much, i dont quite understand what the point of risking getting up close with it is when the dmg feels so meteocre. ive probably just been building wrong though
bow is so much fun
heady zephyr
on my last run i had both zeus/arti and zeus/poseidon
but i got greedy with a chaos buff that spawned +50% extra enemies and got ganked by shield guys
frosty prawn
Agree with the ranged weapon thing 😄 especially with dionysus buffs
heady zephyr
oh yeah, the new dionysus sick effect seems way better
frosty prawn
Yeah!
severe jewel
i do wish some more of the trinkets felt usable, like the directional armor one and the health per darkness one feel like they have no use cases
heady zephyr
especially if you combine it with the one that makes sick transfer automatically randomly
health per darkness seems like it would be pretty useful. no? you get a lot of darkness per run, so it's a consistent source of healing
severe jewel
i get having the health one, really helped when starting out, but the other ones i've literally never used
heady zephyr
pair it with dark thirst and it seems like a good sustain
frosty prawn
Oh yeah dark thirst seems really viable with it
severe jewel
i suppose, but i still feel like other ones cough skull earring cough are just too good to pass up
boreal estuary
Feels like a shield is imbalanced.
Just got 350+ dmg on every third hit
severe jewel
maybe that one is sleeper good or something and im an idiot, but i dont think anyone is out here using the pillar damage one lol
heady zephyr
does the damage buff from pierced butterfly stay once you take it off?
severe jewel
dont think so
heady zephyr
if it was damage from traps and pillars that would be good
severe jewel
almost always start w cosmic egg
heady zephyr
not sure if health per darkness or feather duster would be better healing over a run
severe jewel
feather duster i understand a little more but i've also only used it like once
heady zephyr
i honestly usually just use spiked collar and the boon ones since those are the ones i want to get to level 3 first
what else? distant memory is a no-brainer for bow builds
frosty prawn
^^
severe jewel
i usually go either boon or egg first, then boon second, then earring last
i actually disagree with that being a no brainer
frosty prawn
Oh?
severe jewel
because if you have triple shot or double shot you want to be close
too close for distant memory
heady zephyr
dependson whether you're building around charged shot or special i guess
or yeah, those
frosty prawn
Yeah I mean I see your point
heady zephyr
nah, i think you're right, although it might just be a matter of lack of skill on my part
frosty prawn
But like it depends on playstyle
heady zephyr
but all my high damage runs have been built around shotgun or bow special or some kind of AoE
severe jewel
thats another reason my tiny brain can't understand sword, since my preferred build for bow has me playing fairly close anyway and i feel like i have more dmg
heady zephyr
i just wish sword had a better stinger
severe jewel
but again, never finished a sword run so i just dont know how to build it or smthn
frosty prawn
I want to be able to get good with spear but I just can't haha
heady zephyr
i've done it upto asphodel, dont think ive ever one with one
severe jewel
spear is also weird
frosty prawn
Yeaaah
severe jewel
it was fun when viscious was broken
quaint gale
oh boy. I think I broke my game
heady zephyr
the problem with AoE builds is they're good against mobs but fall off hard against bosses
obtuse tapir
Is heroic a new tier above epic? I haven't seen it before this update.
frosty prawn
Spear seems like so much fun, and is, I just cant manage it smoothly
severe jewel
heroic is new, requires a trade
quaint gale
I deflected one of the soldier's souls into oblivion and now I can't go on anymore
heady zephyr
beyond that it's a pretty decent versatile weapon
frosty prawn
Oof
heady zephyr
regular attack can stunlock most unarmoured enemies to death
heady zephyr
and there are good throwing builds too
severe jewel
i think the only change that need to be added to spear is to make spin->dash benefit from hunter dash or chaos boons affecting dash attacks
frosty prawn
@quaint gale You might have to restart aaa
severe jewel
bruh momentum
quaint gale
is this...reportable? would a report even explain what happened?
heady zephyr
dash attack works great with bow now
heady zephyr
since the new dash is more reliable too
heady zephyr
i do miss the third one though
severe jewel
new dash is great, took a bit of getting used to\
quaint gale
oh wait. I have video evidence. thanks windows, guess I'll link it in the report
frosty prawn
Mhm!
quaint gale
yep, he got launched right off the screen
frosty prawn
I lowkey want to see it for the lols as well
quaint gale
for sure, once I throw it online
frosty prawn
quaint gale
part of the clip I was going to use for sword instructional purposes anyways
frosty prawn
"How to yeet your enemies out of the underworld"
forest marsh
Same, Wastrel. Lost a soul somewhere and had to quit out
west wren
can i ask who has the new keepsake
west wren
neeto
quaint gale
welcome to the new future
stoic berry
Its beautiful
frosty prawn
Haha
forest marsh
You get both hammers stacked
stoic berry
It's so good
frosty prawn
YES
quaint gale
looks like it happens at 28 seconds
stoic berry
*fly me to the moon plays in the background
frosty prawn
Oh my gosh
stoic berry
They're with Chaos now
quaint gale
hopefully they're on a better plane of existence
frosty prawn
Big sad when you can get someone out of the underworld but not do it yourself
Zag feelsbadman
stoic berry
He hit them so hard they're in Roman mythology now
frosty prawn
Okay that was good
stoic berry
They even find Persephone with Jupiter and Mars
quaint gale
ANYWAYS, since I now can't flex my sweet sword build in the arena, you'll have to accept this demonstration against the lowly hydra: https://youtu.be/gkTY47e3JYc
it's pretty alright
heady zephyr
ah cool
quaint gale
you can immediately dash out of the standard wind-down now, though
but instant nova is what I love about the sword now
heady zephyr
oh that's good too
yeah, they seem to have retooled a lot of cooldown or recovery animations around the new dash
quaint gale
yep, everything is a lot snappier now
being able to power slide into a dashing attack feels pretty sweet
heady zephyr
chaining dashes in between bow charged shots is real good too
and the new arti/athena duo that gives you 50cc after deflection works great with athena dash
errant narwhal
oh my god the minotaur has so much health
quaint gale
oo yeah, I bet. I need to do a power charge run, keep getting rapid shot
I try to rush the arte duo buff and the hunter's mark every time
with every weapon, basically
heady zephyr
arti/who duo? i've gotten arti/athena and arti/zeus so far
quaint gale
oh right, there's a new zeus. yeah the athena one
heady zephyr
that one seems low key kind of OP
especially since athena dash doesn't slow you down anymore either
quaint gale
it's not only really powerful, but it opens up a lot of attack/special mixups with more boons being taken per run and two hammers
especially with that friggin mark
heady zephyr
exactly. i mean i ran that build on shield which doesn't seem at all like the best crit weapon
quaint gale
I can see it working with all of them, maybe takes a little extra effort with bow
heady zephyr
i'd say it would actually suit a charged shot build the most
dash through attacks into charged shot into dash through attacks into charged shot etc etc
quaint gale
ah yeah...arte dash would pump out huge numbers
heady zephyr
especially if you also stack the generic arti buffs that boost all cc and crit damage
quaint gale
arte and athena just seem so dang good, and even better in tandem
heady zephyr
arti, athena and poseidon are all top tier atm imo
the only underwhelming boons atm would be, aphrodite i guess? they buffed dionysus' sick effect so it's really quite good now too
quaint gale
aphro and dion's duo works pretty well, I think
heady zephyr
how does that one work?
quaint gale
weakened enemies can stack to 8 sick
heady zephyr
ooh, yeah that is pretty good
quaint gale
it's one of my favored choices on rail
heady zephyr
i usually take the weaken on death aphro buff since that chains the best....that paired with sick would be nasty
especially if you also get the boon that gives sick a chance to spread by itself
quaint gale
for sure
heady zephyr
oh yeah, sick also seems to get around shields consistently, so it seems like it would be a better choice for elysium
lost rose
Got my second Elysium clear, with an absurd set of Artemis boons lol
median ridge
my current strategy for elysium is having 400 hp and 8 death defies. it’s....not the most dignified way to win but it’s working so far
quaint gale
I'm trying to figure out what a successful 120 heat run looks like and I have zero clue
median ridge
and the shield elysians can tear through 3/4 of that health in one room
covert sedge
2 on 1 is hard
median ridge
i haven’t really figured out how to efficiently deal with theseus’s phase 2 yet
heady zephyr
yep, the game seems to throw tons of centaur hearts at you in elysium and you need all of them
covert sedge
i think they reduced the dash so that the mino can hit you
heady zephyr
honestly? for me minotaur is less of an issue than theseus with his spear snipes and spin attacks
covert sedge
yeah that too its hard to dodge
ionic jolt
their fight is so good
median ridge
aphro’s legendary makes an absolute mockery out of both minotaur and theseus + minotaur and i am living for it
west wren
I got mino to half hp but it took me like 10mins so I gave up lol
That and a lot of gorgons were spawning to more than I can handle
And my build wasnt even that great to begin with
median ridge
looks at the massive pile of centaur hearts in elysium and the huge health pools of the bosses “i guess this is why they call it....the beefy update” 😎
west wren
In the minotaur fight
heady zephyr
ah right
median ridge
yeah i’m a lot more reliant on really good builds to get through elysium than i was for asphodel
west wren
I was playing bow with special and attack Poseidon
With the special pierce
That was fun
lost rose
hee
quaint gale
well, defeated the hydra at 120 heat......now to keep going..................
icy edge
Gonna have to wait for the post-update update - fighting the super elysium bros is just not fun right now
Takes half an hour to get there, and another half hour to whittle them down, only to be killed by the bull's leap half a screen away... without any heat
lost rose
yeah, it's kinda a drag with how tanky they are
icy edge
Then again, this is the first unpleasant experience since the start of early access, so props to SGG for being on point so far
heady mango
I think this update is going to force people to learn to make better room choices and what actual builds are for each wep instead of a bunch of guesswork and hoping
plucky oxide
anyone know when our spear-loving king is actually vulnerable? I just wail at him and eventually win, but it feels like a war of attrition. can't imagine him on higher heat. is his shield up? is it a few farmes after his attacks?
upbeat junco
Does anyone know what the artmies + zeus duo does?
proud storm
Lightning strikes on crit
twin crag
sup guys: does anyone have any suggestions for making actual viable builds rather than guesswork bc I Dont Know what im doing. currently i can consistently reach the hydra, but i cant beat it
proud storm
Whats your best weapon
twin crag
shield most likely, then other successes are aoe sword and maxiumum nuber of arrows+debuff bow
proud storm
Shield it is
upbeat junco
best build for shield is bullrush athena or pos right?
proud storm
Athena attack with faster bullrush
Tbh you dont really know exactly what to go for until you get your first hammer
twin crag
side note: many arrow+ debuff feels really effective, is that just me and i cant play it brilliantly to get further or?
fair
upbeat junco
what do you mean many arrow + debuff
proud storm
Shield special gains insane dps with explosive return
twin crag
hammer that adds 100% arrows at close ranger with usually blight wine debuff
proud storm
Otherwise its meh
twin crag
thanks for the help
upbeat junco
ah the bow special, honestly imo you shouldn't build around bow special
it doesn't do enough damage or fire fast enough to warrant building arround
it
twin crag
not worth it late game i assume?
upbeat junco
yea
proud storm
Bow special is broken with relentless barrage
upbeat junco
generally with bow you want to build athena attack and artemis duo because that does a lot of damage
twin crag
thats the name! relentless barrage
upbeat junco
then with the upgrades you'd want triple shot, twin shot, or perfect shot
relentless barrage is the one that increases the amount of shots you fire with special right?
upbeat junco
I don't see how that'd be broken, if your applying dio poison, you already fire enough to apply max stacks, and with athena and pos special its just unnecessary
it'd only really be good with zeus special
plucky oxide
High DPS Full Offensive Combat
First Zone:
Athena Keepsake. Looking for: Athena Dash, Athena Attack or Special. Athena Cast is amazing here as well, as its damage is quite high and splash.
Second Zone:
Artemis Keepsake. Looking for: Artemis + Athena Duo Boon. The boon drops from Artemis, so clear out the boon table from Athena whenever you get duo boons.
Third Zone:
Damage or Survival Keepsake of your choice
Goals Of Build:
Crit is good. An enemy can't hurt you if its dead, and learning how to use Athena's Dash to trigger the deflection effect to keep the Deadly Reversal duo boon keeps you doing insane damage. Focusing early on Crit Damage and strong hammer synergies with weapons you're comfortable with is key.
Mino Strategy:
The Dusa heads that spawn aren't a problem at all when you have your dash. Thats a free 50% global crit chance whenever you dash into a dusa projectile, so always keep one alive to supplement your dps.
What This Build Teaches You:
How to deflect. As you use Athena's dash boon more and more, you realize that a ton of things trigger your Deadly Reversal. Learning how to use Athena's Dash will slowly teach you how to make the most of momentum, and you should begin to find yourself chewing through enemies without losing that much health. In short, this build rewards damage mitigation with additional damage output.
proud storm
Thats a good summary
upbeat junco
While I do agree with your strategy of using Athena dash to deflect, I think special is better, Hunter Dash with Artemis seems better imo
twin crag
thank you for such a detailed summary! I must admit I dont pay enough attention to the keepsakes. again thanks guys
proud storm
The main points here are 1) getting deadly reversal and 2) finding a way to trigger it easily
upbeat junco
yea
plucky oxide
The build above is a one-size-fits-all for any weapon. As a player continues to learn what they're comfortable with, they can supplement parts with things that better fit their playstyle. Unless I have Relentless Barrage on bow, for example, I'm not going to take the Athena special unless its Purple Quality.
And now with the new trading mechanic I can swap out my Athena dash for Artemis' if its the best deal on the table! Gosh, this new update has been great so far.
I really don't mind the last boss, but I say that having walked into his stadium with deadly reversal twice in a row. I would like to know when he's vulnerable and when he's not, though. Again, it's a war of attrition to see if I can squeeze in enough damage before he kills me.
proud storm
Thesius is immune to all frontal attacks
quaint gale
yeah, this is true for the shield dorks as well
upbeat junco
Im modifying my bow build now and I was thinking probably, Pos Attack - Athena Special - Artemis Dash - Artemis/Athena Duo - and 2 of triple shot, perfect shot or twin shot
Yea when i was doing a rail run earlier I was doing pretty good until I actually fought last boss, and I died because he kept blocking everything even if I shot him in the back
plucky oxide
Cool! Good to know I can just smack him on the back. Wonder how that effects things like Ares cast...
quaint gale
I think it depends on where the center of the cast is but that's conjecture
upbeat junco
No I meant that he kept blocking even when I shot him in the back. I think he is mainly open after or during his attacks
plucky oxide
The changes to poms makes me kinda sad... But I guess mono-stacking cast isn't exactly healthy for the state of the game. Only ran through the third level twice now, but I feel like god boons were really rare, beside shops. Lots and lots of centaur hearts, though!
turbid needle
Dashing Wallop + Artemis dash is awesome, it gave me the best time actually !
upbeat junco
what is dashing wallop for?
upbeat junco
I’ll give it a go next run
Is it just me or is there more Wells of Charon than before
heady zephyr
it's weird that the duo boons only drop from one or the other
@upbeat junco haven't noticed that many more, but i swear i'm getting twice as many centaur hearts as i was before
upbeat junco
Yea me too
heady zephyr
anyway i've been getting pretty frequent crashes since this update, but no framerate drop
upbeat junco
I haven’t got any crashes and the only FPS drop I had was when I was using Zeus attack on rail with the new explosive shots
west wren
i just realised "beefy update" is a pun
covert sedge
i experienced FPS drop lately at ashpodel and Elysium
upbeat junco
Whoa, I just got a new rarity of boon I've never seen before
Heroic rarity
Artemis special, 20% crit chance with 59% special damage
covert sedge
what did it cost xD
covert sedge
poseiden legendary is nuts
upbeat junco
Its good against normal enemies pretty much useless against bosses tho
stable oyster
Heroic is when a god tries to replace an epic boon
upbeat junco
Ah
flint totem
I do like the ||double weapons upgrade addition||
stable oyster
In general replacements will increase the rarity by 1 and keep all ps you have
Yea 2x hammer is great
flint totem
I dunno how spoiler free we wanted to keep this channel for new mechanics
stable oyster
Gameplay is fair game as far as I understand
flint totem
World Splitter+Empowered Nova was so much fun
stable oyster
It’s in the patch notes
That is a lot of damage
Have you tried out instant nova?
flint totem
I haven;t but I have only done two actual full runs once with bow once with sword
covert sedge
@flint totem big eoa
flint totem
The special had dio as well not the greatest match up but it was nice for the extra dot
stable oyster
I kind of want to do a dio run now, what weapon should I use for dio attack?
upbeat junco
Rail
flint totem
Rapid Fire bow
Well yeah rail but I like the extra distance if you can pull off Rapid fire bow
upbeat junco
Damn, I've made it all the way to Elyseum and I still haven't picked up an attack boon
pure obsidian
does anyone have a gif or short video comparison from old vs new dash?
covert sedge
elysuem is full of centaur hearts
upbeat junco
old dash is a blink, new dash is an actual dash
old dash instantly teleports you in the direction your aiming while new dash gives you brief invincibility while dashing forwards
heady zephyr
new dash doesn't have recovery whereas the old dash had a brief period
new dash also appears to cover a bit less distance
and, of course, there's only 2 of them now
i'm pretty sure you can cancel the new dash with another input
covert sedge
you can easily side step with new dash because it is not a blinl
heady zephyr
yeah, it's much easier to, eg- dance around enemies like the chariots with the new dash
reef aspen
I like new dash even only two is allowed
upbeat junco
Wow, I've Thesus and the Minotaur are really hard
I've had like 5-6 runs this patch, and only my first and my most recent run I've beat them, even if my build was good
also i noticed that in the codex there is a new artifact at the end, anyone know what that is?
stable oyster
Yea they deff give me more trouble than hydra did
upbeat junco
Minotaur is probably the easy part of that fight, although he hits hard and attacks fast, the only attacks I really have trouble with is the charge and his leap attacj
covert sedge
@upbeat junco buy death diance
covert sedge
have 6 or more
upbeat junco
with theseus I think I've gotten the hang of him. you just run away from him until he throws his spear at you, thats when you go in and keep hitting him because he will always walk away from you and you can attack his back
covert sedge
yeah they are both easy but there is 2 of them so yeah
frosty pier
The thing about that charge tho... how that boy with so much inertia manages to be on your rear right after you teleport behind him?
covert sedge
and mino has a lot of hp
upbeat junco
I've found that since you have i-frames while dodging now you just dodge straight into him and he has to run around to catch you
you just keep dodging through him and he can't catch you
actually pretty much all of his attacks can be avoided if you dodge behind him
frosty pier
exept the back blasts
covert sedge
also ares and poseidon boons are good now
upbeat junco
I think what makes Theseus hard is how he keeps blocking attacks and because of that the fight is really dragged out, so it's a battle of endurance
that and his attacks are pretty fast so they just come out of nowhere and deal heaps of damage
covert sedge
damage overtime are good on those 2
upbeat junco
yea that makes sense
covert sedge
like ares has boon that makes his doom stack ten time it can cause 200 dps on and the wine god also
covert sedge
it is an epic boon thou
upbeat junco
what's it called
covert sedge
i forgot i had it one time
opaque merlin
It's not (necessarily) an epic one, but once you have a way of applying Doom, subsequent Ares encounters can give you an upgrade that makes it stack with additional hits. Not at its full value, though
upbeat junco
Ah
That could be really good with rail and bow
is that new or has it been out for a while
never noticed it
opaque merlin
It's been around. It's... ok. Pretty solid if you roll an epic one, but otherwise kinda meh. Check the wiki for the exact number ranges!
manic ermine
combine it with ares/aphrodite duo boon which refreshes curse on weak enemies and you can push it to absurd levels
covert sedge
the added stack dps is 10 per hit
upbeat junco
thats if it's epic
also I just managed to finish Theseus and Asterius with the shield this time and the new update to shield bullrush is really good
how your now invincible while bullrushing
upbeat junco
shield was still good prior to the patch, but having no invincibility while bull rushing wasn't very good
sand timber
Got a run going right now with the Posidon dash ability - feels like it might have been buffed, or maybe it was always good. Either way, I'm shoving enemies into walls constantly with great success and barely using my bow, tbh.
heady zephyr
it was always good, but the dash in general is easier to read and use now
athena dash is exceptional now as well
sand timber
Noted. I also have 6 shots with the shooty thing with Athena's boon and double shot. I'm feeling pretty good about the run, but time will tell
coarse hare
Does the game actually tell you which button triggers fated authority? I have it but never remembered to use it, then accidentally triggered it yesterday and got confused. I don't see it on the controls map.
ocean halo
@coarse hare when you come close to the door hint on the bottom of the screen will appear
proud storm
love how the boon i want is the lower quality https://i.imgur.com/1x7HlSw.jpg
coarse hare
I see, thanks @ocean halo !
proud storm
plush blaze
grats!
proud storm
literally everything went wrong in this run
i was originally going for a world splitter run with athena/artemis build
i forgot to equip my athena keepsake at the start so i got aphrodite epic attack instead
later on i actually found athena who offered me the heroic attack
tartarus hammer gave me empowering nova so i made do with it
heady mango
Oh and you were sword as well
proud storm
yes
heady mango
that's the only weapon I can't seem to get anywhere with
I can kill Hydra in my sleep with everything else and I've killed the biome 3 dudes with a few of the weapons
My last 2 runs with sword I didn't even get past Meg
proud storm
oh and i also wanted to get deadly reversal for world splitter but neither of those showed up
and since for some reason i kept finding zeus or aphrodite in asphodel instead of getting more artemis boons my priority shifted to finding a way to trigger privileged status easily
everything eventually made sense in elysium
by applying jolted with my dash and exposed with my attack i could do so many things
heady mango
Ah yeah
proud storm
bear with me here
in elysium i got double edge (dash attack hits twice and has added crit chance)
i'd start with nova'ing myself to get guaranteed crits
dash towards enemies to jolt them
and then hit them with my attack, triggering privileged status, increasing my crit damage
aphro cast helped reduce the damage i'd take a bit
i had something completely different in mind but i ended up with another broken build lmao
placid pike
So to does who beat the new dynamic duo, how the heck do you do it?
somber epoch
you need a certified meme™ build
forest marsh
Gonna sound lame, but practice and a synergistic build
somber epoch
I used Dashing Wallop (dash attacks w/ shield have AOE) + Athena Attack boon (attacks reflect) + a variety of artemis buffs
i yeeted everything in the game
placid pike
I've had decent builds. Problem is Thesius freaking Shield and thrown spear attack.
green birch
Ares Wrath is a good choice, it strikes through Theseus’ shield