and even saves are not cloud saved
#h1-builds-and-combat
runic bluff
elfin pulsar
couldn't they be saved locally and checked when they connect to internet?
runic bluff
they take their info from our feedback generally
forest marsh
There's an option to transmit data in the settings
runic bluff
and decide how to inprove based on it
elfin pulsar
well that seems like it'd be winrate data then, i'd be surprised if they are transmitting other data and not checking that
runic bluff
though its turned off on default
and its more like game crashes
or abnormalities
game demanding etc.
elfin pulsar
yeah they might not just care enough about stats to bother collecting them
considering it is a single player game and perfectly fine at entry level
runic bluff
honestly besides Pyre
all their other games wasnt balanced
in Bastion Mortar Shotgun was OP
in Transistor there were 2 combos that can annialate all
lyric folio
Pyre is not perfectly balanced either
runic bluff
here bow and shield are the strongest
elfin pulsar
transistor was just easy in general
runic bluff
yeah, yet it is better balanced overall
and more stuff works great
where in their other 3 titles
some stuff is just superior
elfin pulsar
this game is balanced enough honestly, the fact that 2 people playing at near the same hard mode can have 2 wildly different opinions is a big thumbs up
lyric folio
Hahaha
elfin pulsar
though im sure there will be a lot of changes from now to launch for everything
elfin pulsar
lol
lyric folio
Guess so ^^
elfin pulsar
maybe I should give pyre another try too, its the only supergiant game I didn't finish
the weird FIFA style gameplay just didnt really hold me
runic bluff
oh... its one of their best games
lyric folio
I still play pyre locally against my little brorther
elfin pulsar
loved everything else tho
lyric folio
True nightwing campaign?
runic bluff
yes
elfin pulsar
like all their games the characters, visuals, and audio are all super sweet
lyric folio
Ahh
runic bluff
a lot like you unlock New Game Plus in Bastion
etc.
Pyre have the most endings of every game
I mean the endscreen and song are different for each and every run basicly
both visual and sound xD
runic bluff
no ending is perfect when you have to move along from your favourite characters at some point
lyric folio
true ๐ฆ
runic bluff
I often found myself too hesitating on which one to send
Like it took me 10 minutes at times
lyric folio
But it felt okay, because they were going there for the cause
But we should discuss this in pyre
runic bluff
because I really wanted to hold on to most of them ๐
lyric folio
not hades gameplay ^^
runic bluff
yeah, sorry, I realyzed that
bold salmon
So, "After Party" sounds OP at the start
errant narwhal
itโs very good
proud storm
"after party" but the party hasnt started yet so it's op
pastel jolt
of course not, the party don't start til zag walks in......to olympus,
proud storm
does it now
lyric folio
Got my second kill on the hydra with rail on 120
Forgot to turn heat up to 121 for @runic bluff though
๐
5 death defiance left too
lyric folio
I just got overconfident and tried some 180 runs, and I don't think they are doable
Also mods, bot keeps censoring the wor d C ocky
lost rose
yeah but like there's nothing you can do abt that unfortunately
lyric folio
Oof
errant narwhal
-hypnos
stable oyster
dang it how did i miss that one
thanks for the save
but yea I think it deff is doable with something like sudden rush
lyric folio
I think if I spent like a week trying it fulltime with a good seed, I could do it
But I am not that masochistic yet
turbid needle
even with savescumming that might be challenge lol
lyric folio
I am up to a point where I think I could do it in 2-3 days without whipped frenzy
but the numbskulls would end up killing me I think
with whipped
turbid needle
playing game on nightcore mode? no thank you... to mock people more, devs could appropriately speed up boss fight song depending on your whipped frenzy level
turbid needle
I know right ? LOL
turbid needle
it feels like a such a stupid... but also appropriate idea
lyric folio
turbid needle
hmm
to be honest...
I would also like to have like "shield echo special" thing
If you remember how the path of exile "echo" works
you have certain idea what I mean
or Street Fighter Alpha like V-ism
where there is echo after you hit enemy in combo mode, where the trail also hits if it connects
turbid needle
would say, power mode for the shield kinda...
the other things...
maybe things like making multi-skewer stronger on subsequent bounces
turbid needle
hmm...
bounces and at last hit explodes
that sounds fun
I really like multi-skewer as it is kinda
makes you think how to throw
also... best fun with poseidon special ever
probably one of the best clears in the entire game
bad against bosses though
lyric folio
I tried doing a multi skewer focused build, but it just felt weaker than default, because of no double hit with backstab
turbid needle
that's why I thought about that secondary buffr
to make sure player can get something out of bouncing around
instead taking vicious skewer and be like "it's all cool"
It's strong effect, but it lacks pure dps
and that is gonna bite you in the ... when it comes to boss fights or high hp non-movable minions
it's just how I don't like hammer upgrades that don't really provide unique options
and I guess we can put couple out here...
Shield :Defensive Aura -> Aphro/Athena/Dio like buff , Dark Barrier -> Athena boon duplicate ,
|Blade : Armor Slayer -> Armor damage only, |Spear : Armor Skewer -> Armor Damage Only |Rail : Cooling Chamber -> feels like Infinity Chamber, could do with Dash Attack base dmg buff or other sort of improvement
elfin pulsar
yeah I'm hoping most of those get changed, getting the hammer is my favorite upgrade because of how much it changes gameplay and its a real bummer to see stuff like defensive aura (even though its pretty dece) and cooling chamber, especially with veil
somebody said that the devs gave the check mark to changing cooling chamber so hopefully there will be some nice reworks
turbid needle
Cooling Chamber is especially nice with Curse of Longing
that thing can rip through enemies if u have aphro dash and ares attack
imagine old ares basically
and seems like interesting playstyle well you just dash around enemy while making him into swiss cheese
From the god boons area though....
I don't like how Athena is almost all about the defensive options
it fits theme, but on the other hand... she feels really lackluster in mono-god like run
that and lack of tier 2 boons doesn't help if you want to chase after legendary... which I feel should be more attainable
I would like to have more "offense" in her kit kinda
she still is goddess of war
forest marsh
Late to the game, but 180 Heat has been done. I'll see if I can track down the video that was posted
turbid needle
oh yeah... Twin Shot + Poseidon Epic Attack boon.... your enemy is shot str8 to space
I already see it's quite insane in Tartarus...
Asphodel is basically Bullet Hell ?
I just hope that Elysium doesn't have witches that just straight do the Meg missile barrage
elfin pulsar
my problem with cooling chamber is that you can just cancel your reload with a dash normally, it takes the time of ~2 dashes to give you a full clip
its so much more efficient than 2 ammo per dash
turbid needle
I still don't feel that much of cancelling myself, just like with spear charge attack, it feels like cancelling still leaves u vulnerable for little bit of time
kinda like it was Titan Toppler, which I also don't like... but that's because it takes me so much out of the comfort zone with it's delay
but it's the end delay after dash that is worst about it
elfin pulsar
honestly haven't noticed it, but I almost always triple dash during it so maybe thats why
turbid needle
hmm....
It would be nice to have indicator if skelly has been hit by dash attack... especially on bow lol
hollow minnow
Wingblade, how the heck are you managing to consistently get so many extra Death Definances?!!?
Why is 60 Heat so hard for me?? AM I THE ONLY ONE?!?! Yesterday I managed to get all the way to Asphodel chamber 21 YAAY! before dying ๐ข To my surpise I can survive pretty long with the shield.
Do you guys think they'll keep the statues in the courtyard--like, reveal them if you beat the Hydra, or will it change to 'reveal when you beat the whole game'?? Cuz if so I'll never see what's under them ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ It baffles me how everyone else seems to be doing 120 and I'm CONSTANTLY getting stuck by 60!!!! Any tips???!?
Althouuugh, I did just have this incredible time where I hardly ever got hit, but then reached Alecto and prompted got smashed to bits ๐ฆ
copper berry
I think they would keep them somewhat similar, maybe more statues for getting further with X amount of heat.
hollow minnow
i dearly hope so.
I want to continue practising but my finger is getting tired from clicking so mcuh LOL
copper berry
Switch to controller so you can use your thumb instead!
hollow minnow
I suppose i could try that, though relearning all the controls might just get me killed even more LOL
maybe I'll take a teeny break....controller might work...Ty Dino
turbid needle
@hollow minnow what are your pacts ?
when I'm doing 60 heat I'm absolutely keeping from using any boons that will screw me over -> Stifling Darkness, Grim Inevability, Tenebrous Veil, Whipped Frenzy (!)
if u max all rest + put the Vicious Torment at 100% u get 60 heat
surely not that easy, but you get at least possibilty of run that gives u choices instead locking you in, in some build you don't want
lyric folio
@hollow minnow I always make sure I have 0% convenience fee and at least 90 gold on me, so I can always snag them when they're stocked in the well. I prioritize them over anything else
hollow minnow
hmmmm that's a good idea, Wingblade...I put that over the one for more damage, but I could try to revert to that....I just hate when each hit is extra damage lol!
Yeah, Whipped Frenzy is NUTS. ๐ฎ
thank you both ๐ I'm going in again, wish me luck ๐
lyric folio
Good luck!
turbid needle
@hollow minnow the one last advice I can give you also... dpeending on heat levels... different boons are desirable
can I get achievement for beating Thanatos at 60 heat ?
lol
grand patrol
damn, you beat me, and at 60 heat too, how impressive
turbid needle
but yeah, Clusterbomb + Epic poseidon special with adamant rail
feels like I have my own death area spell too lol
elfin pulsar
sick
yeah I beat 60 fairly quickly, havent played much since but my strat was exactly as said about not taking the struggle pacts and just playing safe with ranged attacks
with the right boons and hammers the spear and shield special does great damage and is quite safe
turbid needle
I prefer Shield Attack myself... charge attack feels way too safe with Athena if you ask me
hollow minnow
I NEARLY beat Megara with Stifling Darkness--the one that takes all your darkness away! Up until then it was--shockingly--easy! She was ALMOST DEAD, too!!!!
gaaaah!
bold salmon
Can you explain that to me real quick, i dont understand what it does.
lost rose
Stifling Darkness?
bold salmon
Yea, i think i get it but im not sure honestly.
forest marsh
It just puts a cap on your Darkness use
lost rose
It's an option on the Pact of Punishment that you can spend heat on to make the game harder. Like Wight says, it caps how much darkness you can use in the mirror
forest marsh
At 100% you only get 500 Darkness to allocate in the Mirror
forest marsh
I think the minimum level for Stifling Darkness is 2500, but I'd have to check
bold salmon
I think so
"Each rank reduces the Mirror's maximum benefit by 250 Darkness, starting at 2750 Darkness."
forest marsh
Oh, there you go, 2750. I was close ๐
I've never once used it at minimum, though. 500 or 1000 is usually what I go for if I'm using it
lost rose
i don't find 500 to really be that rough - as long as i can have my two dashes, i'm good ๐
death defies are icing on the cake
forest marsh
Yeah, that's 100% 
Once you're skilled enough (and that's the key, practicing until you are), 2 dashes and 3 DD's will carry you far
Don't get me wrong, I love having increased damage and bonuses to rarity chance
lost rose
those darkness sinks have helped me whittle my giant stockpile of keys and ambrosia down to something almost normal, haha
bold salmon
I only just now beat the Hydra so still got a ways to go. Got it my third try though. ๐
forest marsh
It feels nice after doing a bunch of Heat runs to go normal and dump a bunch into rerolls
lost rose
wow, nice!!
forest marsh
I only just recently got my 6th FA
lost rose
i'm glad it took me as long as it did to beat the hydra...it made the story feel better paced
forest marsh
Yeah, I agree with that
It took me a while to beat it, and I got to experience basically all of the story in that time
lost rose
i wonder if any changes to story pacing are going to be made? to a certain extent i can't imagine that they can be
like...if you're doing a one convo per run rule generally,
then if you have 50 convos, anybody who wants to see the whole game has to do at least 50 runs
forest marsh
Yeah, but honestly 50 runs isn't so bad
Though we don't know the finished run time average yet
lost rose
it isn't, but people with experience in roguelikes definitely fly through the game faster than "standard"
forest marsh
I'm guessing though that an average skilled player will take 45-60 minutes for a full run, based on the first two biome times
lost rose
i wonder if there's going to be any kind of like...narrative gating down the road
forest marsh
What do you mean?
lost rose
like "you must be at least x runs to pass"
lost rose
there are run-gated character appearances
forest marsh
Or you mean to beat the game?
lost rose
but as of right now nothing is stopping you from beating the hydra on your first run
yeah
lost rose
i can only imagine that unless some kind of block is implemented at or after elysium, a full one-run game would be possible which is wild to think about
forest marsh
Honestly, has anyone even come in and gotten past the Hydra on a legit first run?
People have done it on fresh saves, but that's with practice on other saves
forest marsh
I think they'll leave it possible, but who knows
I wouldn't be surprised if they even made it an achievement
lost rose
yeah. also weird to think that like...if there are people who manage to get through elysium in, lets say, 10 runs
but also want to see the story
lost rose
that'd be a very different experience of like "i choose to stay behind because i can't make myself leave yet"
forest marsh
I can't imagine what it would have taken me if I came in later
lost rose
like imagine that as a player experience tho, isnt that kinda wild
still narratively solid from a zag perspective but very different from "i can't get out so my ass keeps getting dragged back"
forest marsh
What I'm really curious about is if they'll keep people's overall win stats when the game reaches 1.0
lost rose
hahahaha please dont nerf me back to zero sgg
good thing i took all those screenshots
nightmare mode, they reset the heat statues
lost rose
after all that work to get them before elysium
OH
hahahahaha
rip.
it's beautiful, wight
majestic
forest marsh
I know, I've spoiled myself
lost rose
heheh
lost rose
this isn't dante's inferno, you've still got a shot i'm sure :P
hollow minnow
I'm almost killing myself to do the same, Wightfyre!!
lost rose
Besides you just KNOW there's going to be prestige wrangling over "yeah but did you get 120 AFTER elysium???"
hollow minnow
It sure FEELS like Dante's Inferno!!
lost rose
Janeen, have you seen any of the 120 heat guides?
There was one I used that got me the statue on my first try of 120
hollow minnow
no, I'm still toiling through 60 heat. The closest I've gotten is Aspodel chamber 21 ๐ฆ
Seriously?! OMG
forest marsh
I think that was just damn good luck, ven 
You got the perfect boons for that run
In the perfect order
lost rose
i will never be enough for you people :')
forest marsh
You're more than enough for us, ven 
forest marsh
I think it will be harder without the Vicious Skewer strat
hollow minnow
I just want the 60-heat achivement statue to be JUST reaching the Hydra, you know?? If it gets extended....That'll be a nightmare. I hope they'll keep each statue at a certain level, you know? When the final game comes out. otherwise you;d have to beat the entire thing 3 times for each statue ๐ฆ
forest marsh
I'm starting to come around on Shield though, honestly
lost rose
Oh it'll absolutely be harder, vicious skewer is unfair
forest marsh
I've learned to slow down a bit with shield and embrace the block-cheese
Maybe I'll try a 120 with shield soon
hollow minnow
I've come to like the shield for 60 heat. Although I STILL can't get used to the gun.
lost rose
Neither can i, lol
Shield is good but takes getting used to
I was using it for bug testing - idk if you've noticed but the walls in tartarus have some Issues with shield bashing haha
And while I like it more than I did, I can't say I'm good at it
hollow minnow
[nods in agreement]
I beat the Hydra on my 4th time (yaay!!) with o heat, so now at least I know what it'll potentially be like, fighting it with the shield.
So i agree.
lost rose
Nice!!!!
hollow minnow
thank you!!!!!!!
What kind of benefits would a heat guide give you?? How are they different from talking to others on here, Venhe-death??
What did you gain?
forest marsh
You don't necessarily gain anything, it's just someone's experiences reduced to a guide
You can certainly talk to those same people on here
I think it was CovertMuffin that wrote the guide that ven used
native ether
my general strat for 60 heat was to not invest in stifling darkness, and I invested primarily in the modifier that restricts your choices and makes enemies tankier (but not deal more damage)
as well as the no heal and double prices
I play primarily gun and spear. My strategy was just to play as safe as possible. Run Chaos egg and grab any chaos doors i see in Tartarus (you need something like Boon rarity increase or bonus damage with the strat I used)
Playing with the spear helps you get pretty good at kiting, and if need be, you can slowly poke down enemies from a dsitance
My winning run was just happening to get the right amount of health to beat the hydra
hollow minnow
I feel....numb
...I just attempted getting 60 heat for nine and a half hours(I'm not bad at video games, I swear--lol.)...STILL NOTHING. ๐ Thanks for those tips, PearUhDox, I'll try that for sure tomorrow!!! ๐ช Hopefully something will some of it. Hopefully. Last chance before the update.
What's kiting?
lost rose
oh man....it's not worth it if you're getting that frustrated! i believe in you but take breaks!!
kiting is, i believe, hit-and-run tactics
hollow minnow
Hehehe I probably won't go that far again. Breaks are important lol. Hope you don't think I'm obsessed/addicted now lol. But then again it WAS a Sunday. ๐ Hehehehe. ๐ But, yes....soooo frustrating. ๐
lost rose
nah, i've definitely put 12 hours straight into games before, just take care of yourself ^^
hollow minnow
Yeah, it's super fun to do sometimes, isn't it?! ๐ 
I will. ๐ ๐
Thanks so much. ๐
On that note I am going to sleep, to dream of getting 60 Heat and beyond...sweet dreamland....Zzzzz
lost rose
night!
hollow minnow
Have a good rest of your day/afternoon/night!!! ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
By the way, thanks SO much for your tips and things over the course of the day, everybody!!!! Everyone's so nice I love you all
bold salmon
wow
the vases have money in them
how have i missed that for so long
Also shield does not seem great for bosses
bold salmon
Not guaranteed Dion though
west wren
yea so i start with the dion trinket then change it after i beat the first boss
bold salmon
Wouldnt think Dion would make it that much better though either
west wren
hide and special all day
bold salmon
Ah, that sounds super boring though.
west wren
im a boring person
bold salmon
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
turbid needle
@hollow minnow I usually go for high hp builds on 60 heat... because you're still able to make sure you can get some hp going with Dio's / Poseidon Support... that and when I have high hp I can basically negate vicious torment
I think that Ocean's bounty could be most underestimated boon in entire game lol
and it can pack a bit of punch/ give lots of value if picked early
hmm
Does it stack with Erebus improved heart btw ?
if there ever is gonna be like achievement system... one of them could be "Get 100 max hp with one heart "
elfin pulsar
168% damage with clusters ๐ฎ
hollow minnow
@native ether Hey, I'm using your stragtedy from last night for the Pact of Punishment....I'm scared lol. Here I goooo!!!!!!!
west wren
I always go between Poseidon, Zeus and dionysus
hollow minnow
Arg!! It worked up until Alecto!!! She used up all my DD's and then I diiieed...I feel like I was close on that on! So close and yet, so far....
turbid needle
I find myself that Alecto really is weak to Ares dash
Ares dash that is upgraded and supported by Poms is quite damn strong
When she chases you with her area explosion, I just usually dash through her
and when she runs after you...
dash away if u have ares....
It does suprisingly a lot of damage when you do so
green birch
Ares dash is incredibly powerful and since Alecto spends a good portion of time literally just charging rage you can get a couple high-damage dashes on her as a result
turbid needle
yeah, that's basically it. that and idea that Ares Dash basically negates the death insurance
making it rather strong against any kind of numbskulls
elfin pulsar
so what are you supposed to do when she just sits there and charges? just hit her?
turbid needle
yeah
elfin pulsar
dont really understand that fight
turbid needle
she will get enraged one or the other way
elfin pulsar
do you ever not hit her to avoid rage?
turbid needle
you can't avoid her rage
that's what I feel
get her raged and then try to run meanwhile poking her
elfin pulsar
thats what I've figured too, feels unintuitive
turbid needle
it's more of a reactionary fight
in a different way than tissiphone though
well
when she is enraging herself you can use that time to get some huge hits though
as she is very agressive and especially when enraged, it's best to just evade and get hits on her meanwhile doing so
still I find her easier to deal with when enraged as long as she doesn't do her "Projectile dash thing"
you could consider this fight being slightly like Dead Cells "Concierge"
by that I mean, is that the fight is testing if you can control yourself from getting into "Panic Mode"
turbid needle
I would wish that wrath meter was more interactive too
because I imagine that Zagreus also took entire truck of sedative pills with him on journey through hell
native ether
Arg!! It worked up until Alecto!!! She used up all my DD's and then I diiieed...I feel like I was close on that on! So close and yet, so far....
Alecto has a habit of doing that
I've found that if I roll Alecto, the run is a loss
icy edge
Alecto is a real problem on high heat since there's quite a lot going on, and mistakes are common...
...the problem being the 500% damage on the Pact not really being mistake-friendly
tawdry aurora
Man, finally 60 heat run done. And just before update.
......
But I still need to do the 120.....
....
Oh boy
covert cloak
120 heat is my problem(
median ridge
so.....is dioโs legendary supposed to not have the prerequisite of actually having festive fog, or did i just get a bug?
i got the option to receive his legendary and thought โwow i donโt even have a festive fog power, this is completely uselessโ
atomic panther
F10 that. If that's not a bug it's certainly an oversight, which the F10 will help with
bold salmon
Armor Skewer + Deadly Flourish really messes people up
bold salmon
Any tips for using the Adamant Rail?
Atm im just using Poseidon's boons to wall smash them
coarse hare
Dionysus boon works really well with rail attack (I heard it from someone else on here). For hammer upgrade, if you're using a controller, I found cluster bomb helps with actually hitting enemies.
The thing with cluster bomb is the closer the target is to you, the closer the circles are clustered together, so I try to stay close, special, then dash away.
I only have 0 heat experience with the rail though so if you're playing with heat I wouldn't be able to help ๐
bold salmon
Im like 17 runs in with 11 heat
turbid needle
well, clusterbomb is especially strong if you just Q on yourself and run away
works especially well against skullcrushers
or immobile enemies
atomic panther
I like triple bomb + artemis :3
turbid needle
otherwise... u want to use it in different ways
yeah... ironically what saves rail is it's special lol
atomic panther
"All the damage, all the time" is my motto
turbid needle
but Spread Fire + Artemis Attack is still tits though
but that's just artemis I guess
works perfectly well with low base damage fast attacks
Rail was also kinda reason why Zeus was nerfed to hell mostly
bold salmon
I havent seen athena is so long i forgot she was even in the game....
turbid needle
problem of Athena is that you need big base damage to make it worthwhile damagewise only
which is basically thing only for Spear Special, Bow Attack and maybe Sword attack
Sword special and Rail Special
bold salmon
Yea i just got her for rail and the only thing that isnt useless is reduce dmg from foes
Special deflect on rail isnt gonna really work xD
turbid needle
but Damage increase is still a thing
still I'm more fan of Ares Attack, Aphro Dash -> Curse of Longing Combo
It's quite strong for amount of boons you need
... not like Dio legendary ...
Festive Fog + Blight Strike/Flourish , Tier 2 Dio (Lower Move on Blight) -> Legendary
that being said... Dio still has 10000x better boon progression than Athena lol
bold salmon
Definitely seems like theres a set Meta when it comes to Artemis and Dion
elfin pulsar
i've ended up with special deflect on rail multiple times now, not really on purpose
and its surprisingly OK, certainly far from worth it but it was more useful than I expected
hitting an entire spray of 10 witch shots in asphodel is pretty sweet
turbid needle
well... defintiely damage is a big perk there, seeing that Athena has second most? damage rates
lyric folio
@bold salmon As someone who has cleared 120 heat with the rail twice, I would recommend going for a zeus or dino build
And most importantly, keep moving
It's very tempting to empty an entire magazine in one go, but also the weapons main weakness
Dash attacks and stutterstepping are very important
hollow minnow
AHHH I made it farther than I've ever gotten before on 60 heat!!! Chamber 24 of Asphodel!! SO CLOSE!!! But but then I didn't have any DD's left.....i was so close I could taste it!!!!
It seriously baffles me that so many of you have already succeeded, and baffles me that I keep on failing!! I've been trying all last week until now!!!
atomic panther
Here's something, then; on my first save file, it took me until around my 60th run to beat the hydra. For the Murder Death Kill update I started a new file (to experience all the new content at the correct pace) and I beat the hydra my 3rd run. You really do get better at this game with time, and all it takes is practice, practice, practice (though I'm also stuck on beating 60 heat for now)
lost rose
yeah!!! i had a similar experience!
i also beat the hydra on my third run after starting a new file
and since i'm playing that one for a friend's sake i had to message her like "i'm going to start throwing fights because if i don't we're never going to see any story"
hollow minnow
Huh. That's interesting.... 
I just reached Asphodel WITH all 3 DD's (on 60 heat)!!!!! For the first time ever!!! Now fingers crossed I can get to the Hydra and /survive/ it!!! ๐ ๐ฑ
lost rose
woooo nice!!!!
hollow minnow
thanks!!!!! I'm so proud of myself, but now SOOOO nervous to proceed!!
grand patrol
whoaaaaa good luck!!!!
hollow minnow
ahhhhhhhh /YOU GUYS I REACHED THE HYDRA!!!!/ Finallyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I actually MADE IT!
After a whole week of trying!!!!!!
grand patrol
AAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
hollow minnow
I had 2 DDs left, but unfortunately only 11 health, so then it was pretty quick to 1 DD and then zero!! ๐ But AT! LEAST! i made it!!!!!!!!!!!!
I feel STUNNED
lost rose
NICE
hollow minnow
I wanna try again so bad but perhaps I need a break at this point lol. I shall hopefully return soon!!!! I can't believe I finally got there....but the updates' tomorrow....tooo late....BUT STILL.
Thankeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
๐ ๐
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
bold salmon
Gotta be honest. Im realizing i underestimated how good the bows special is.
im "2 shotting" hydra heads
lost rose
i still have issues with it, especially compared to the other specials...the movement penalty is Rough
if it's powered up it can be quite good but
forest marsh
Bow special is great for utility, but also as main DPS if you get the right boons on it
bold salmon
Yea, I got Art crit on it so 20% crit chance + 64% dmg.
on a non moving hydra head ๐
Literally was about to win, thought i was outside head bash distance and died ๐ญ
This could be a convoluted question but how are "Rare", "Epic", and whatever the last tier measured for boons?
Is it just like a level 3 basically or does it also add more to how it would be leveled. Like a base boon gives 40% attack and goes up 5% every level. Does the rare increase the base and the level up or does it still only go up 5% each level?
hollow minnow
Yeah, the Bow's Special is AWESOME! the very first time I killed the Hyra, it was using the bow, and Dionisyinous's EPIC Blight Wine ๐
or however you spell the god of wine's name ๐
lost rose
Ousel, the stats for rare and epic boons are on the wiki on each relevant god's page
bold salmon
OOOOHHHH, boons work with each other
lost rose
rarity levels basically just give you a higher starting point
it still increases at a regular rate
bold salmon
Ah ok.
hollow minnow
I wish I could try again tonight, but it's late. I'm so excited to see the new area tomorrow. At least I REACHED the Hydra tonight, and boy it felt /awesome/. So proud of myself. And even if I didn't beat it, even if I can't see the second statue now--which still greatly aggravates me--gods know I TRIED. I tried my darnest for seven days, every hour I could. I don't think I've ever wanted something so much for myself in a game. ๐
wish I could discuss with you guys but I gotta sleep now ๐
bold salmon
Im not even caught up to the last update so i gotta wait longer either way xD
lost rose
you're almost there, ousel!
hollow minnow
Ousel there are some very excellent Rare and Epic boons out there!
ohh!! Ok!
At least I'm not alone ๐
lol ๐
lost rose
5 more and you'll have a chance to meet one of the new characters
i'm not sure how many meg fights it takes before you can see the other two
hollow minnow
I've done almost 200 runs and 30k enemies slain!
5 more? You worked it out? I never really experienced it "fresh" because i didn't begin a new save. Never thought of that.
lost rose
yeah, there's a run count you have to have hit - it's written in the scripts lol
bold salmon
I really wanna try these duo boons now
Dion + Aphro looks really good
Doesnt show how to get Hunting Blades though
bold salmon
And just anything of Art's?
lost rose
no other pre-requisites
just slicing shot
once you have slicing shot, you have a chance of getting hunting blades from artemis
bold salmon
Oh so you dont just get these, you have to have both then get the duo boon from the god?
lost rose
There are prerequisite boons you have to have, after which you can get the boon from one or both of the duo gods
in artemis' case, you can only get hunting blades from her
bold salmon
Ah ok, thought it just worked if you had both. Misunderstood
hollow minnow
I've never gotten any of those Duo ones, strangely!!
lost rose
there are charts listing what boons you need at the bottom of the wiki page ๐
lost rose
which one was it?
forest marsh
Was it Murder or cohesive sentence?
bold salmon
red
bold salmon
I only have the darkness one on right now
though its reached the point im hitting the cap of how much i can spend now
6 Stifling Darkness and 3 Convenience Fee
Doubt im going to up stifling darkness much more though
Got Alecto.
And Scintillating Feast ๐
bold salmon
Cluster bobm with +85% dmg and knock back
Im dropping 40 frames because of it ๐
Was going for Sea Storm. Ended up finding Splitting Bolt.
OK so Zeus + Pos + Cluster Bomb + alot of enemies doesnt do well at 144fps
ummm... @lyric folio You have officially changed my mind on the Rail gun. I went for your Zeus. Its officially the most OP weapon to me. ๐ ||https://i.imgur.com/4ba17WF.png||
bold salmon
Is World Splitter any good?
forest marsh
It is, if it suits your playstyle
It does massive damage, and if you're already comfortable with sword then you should do well with it
I personally am garbage with it, my playstyle is more ranged
But there are others here who extoll its virtues
dusk ruin
I have one maybe stupid question, I am new in the game and didn't complete it yet but what are these flaming skulls from the last screenshot from @bold salmon ? I didn't find any of these but I was on the last boss today but wasn't able to kill him.
bold salmon
Oh i guess its sorta a spoiler my bad, you get them ||after the final boss||
forest marsh
Nah it's fine in here Ousel. Spoilers related to gameplay are free game in this channel. It's just #h1-discussion that is spoiler free
bold salmon
Idk why i thought hunter dash would go good on Spear
icy edge
For some reason, I'm having terrible seeds the last few runs.
Even with maxed boon rarity chance and the appropriate trinket, I keep getting triple commons, my daedalus picks are awful, and every single room in tartarus is skullomats when I play with death insurance
pastel jolt
the game is just getting all the bad rng out before the update!
icy edge
Oh, you know I'm going 60heat first thing when the update drops
lyric folio
@bold salmon awesome, you even got the legendary!
I hope your pc is still alive after all the fireworks
bold salmon
Im on a 1070ti and a i7-7700k and was dipping under 100
pseudo tapir
midnight cliff
the spear is kind of broken sometimes with the proper boon
spear + deadalus hammer (10% more damage and always crit when you pull it back) + artemis boon that on crit it triples the damage is just lol
was around 460 damage on every hit going back
bold salmon
I was doing armor breaker and that seemed to be pretty broken also
midnight cliff
Armor break epic is around 287% more damage
the crit damage bug around 300 ish
i think
bold salmon
Was 2 shotting hydra heads
midnight cliff
was debating that tbh I had both
obtuse tapir
My dream is to have spear + skewer(return crit) + Athena special epic + Chaos special epic + Artemis crit ร3
midnight cliff
but already had the 100% crit chance buff on pullback so upgrading the overal damage by xxx% was better for me
obtuse tapir
That'd just break the world
midnight cliff
yup
bold salmon
You can only have 1 god per move i Thought?
midnight cliff
gotta find more of them
bold salmon
Guess ive just been unlucky. Havent had anything overlap
obtuse tapir
Chaos is an exception
midnight cliff
god can upgrade one stat of your weapon be it q, lmb. or rmb
obtuse tapir
He can upgrade things independently from the Olympians
midnight cliff
3x in a run I had the money upgrade in epic
bold salmon
Yea I'm refering to having athena special and area special
midnight cliff
such a waste
could have gotten about 600% more money if i wanted to. might have done it in the full game
bold salmon
If i pick a special another god never has another one
midnight cliff
thats putting an effect on the weapon
lightning this rift that pushback there and stuff
an overal 20% damage buff on the weapons or giving crit chance is different I think
Or perhaps Artemis is different from the others
The tsundere girl ๐ haha
pastel jolt
i don't see how she's a tsundere but you do you i guess?? ๐ค
midnight cliff
all the gods are tsunderes when they are pitted against eachother
that is what I meant with that. Their voice lines are just fun to listen to sometimes when you pick one over the other.
forest marsh
Artemis isn't tsundere, she's just So Very Over Everyone
mint leaf
The only character in the whole game that comes off as tsundere to me is Thanatos.
pastel jolt
kismet is the only valid one here
mint leaf
(And even then, he might be more kuudere, really.)
Artemis is...
She's hard to explain.
I can say her personality is definitely on-brand with her actions in traditional myth, that's for sure, haha.
turbid needle
Artemis is very much "Get me out of here" attitude
like Get me out of here where you're in the Shrine of Amana in DS2
kind of thing
narrow girder
Patch now!
pastel jolt
you're a bit early
grand patrol
jackdw over here is living in 12:00 pm pst
raven lintel
lol
old rivet
Patch coming when?
spice turret
Soon ish.
pastel jolt
look me in the eyes and ask me that again.
grim storm
I've heard that they need to complete a ritual involving goat blood and three sponges
raven lintel
i've heard that too
grim storm
And human-shaped sponges are a pain to get ahold of so it might be a while
old rivet
so i can study a bit knowing that after i'm finished i'll be out?
raven lintel
yep!
proud storm
i tell you
spice turret
So, for those of you who do high heat runs, do you ever use 'Stifling Darkness?'
spice turret
Interesting.
I mean, I guess I haven't recently checked how much of a heat sink it is (so to speak)
If it's, like, massive, then maybe...
I'll have to check back on it, I guess.
raven lintel
this is my preferred heat set up for 120
preferred as in: it's the only set up i've been able to do my only 120 heat win in lol
west wren
so stilfiling darkness means the max amount of darkness you can use?
raven lintel
correct, limits the amount you can put in the upgrades
west wren
ahhhhhhhhh
i finally understand what that means
is there any benefit in adding heat? other than making things harder
proud storm
you get more darkness
raven lintel
you earn 2% extra darkness on the run for every heat you use
west wren
oh ok
spice turret
And you get special bonus rewards
At 30, 60, and 120
Ah, that's the disconnect. I didn't want to go full in on grim inevitability, so I have the other tenebrous veil up
raven lintel
The first is at 15 iirc
spice turret
Well, point is first one is a challenge, the second is narsty, and the third... I'm still working on the third
raven lintel
it's definitely a different play experience lol
which weapons are you trying jibbanerbs?
spice turret
Honestly... I'm mostly going with whatever's got dark thirst on it
Current round is on Exagryph
We've got a beefed up Cast (poseidon) and that's about it
raven lintel
lol nothing wrong with that
atomic panther
It's 15, 60, 120
spice turret
Ah.
raven lintel
ty ty
spice turret
Okay, well, I was 2/3 right
lyric folio
@spice turret I use it for 120 runs, but not for 15 and 60 because it's less fun
But for 120 I would rather be a bit weaker than have enemies with whipped frenzy for instance
spice turret
Ah... Gotcha, you're talking about heat allocation
proud storm
when i did my 120 heat run whipped frenzy and convenience fee werent a thing yet ๐
raven lintel
whipped frenzy is the devil lol
lyric folio
I don't use either for my 120 runs, so doesn't change much
spice turret
Haven't unlocked it either, so I couldn't tell you yet
lyric folio
convenience fee is way more punishing than it seems
I would never use it unless someone forces me to
raven lintel
that's how i feel about stifling darkness lol
lyric folio
Sure, but I use 2 tenebrous veil, so I never go into chaos rooms
proud storm
fair
lyric folio
I tried it once
When I had a flurry blade run
hoping for +dmg
And what I got was, every time you attack, take 5 damage, afterwards you get +269% darkness
๐
raven lintel
lol!
lyric folio
Didn't have a special upgrade nor a cast
So I had to do meg without attacking
Needless to say, I didn't kill hydra that run
raven lintel
lol
have you ever taken the chaos boon that slows zag's movespeed down
when it's just a common and the punishment is way higher
lyric folio
Yea, it's 100% no problem when you use the shield
raven lintel
i take it every time just because i think the running animation slowed down is the most hilarious thing
lyric folio
^^
spice turret
Tisiphone dead, and... all of my death defiance gone, and also low health
Think I have half a handle on how to fight her now, though
raven lintel
you can do it!
raven lintel
very true
spice turret
Even though 60% of the healing won't work...
Alright, a reset, and let's see how whipped frenzy feels, because I finally got the keys
lyric folio
Would also recommend 0% grim inevitability for anything but 130+ runs
that combined with convenience fee 0 will give you some room for mistakes
spice turret
Mmm... Convenience fee is on, but lemme tell you, removing grim inevitability is a good feeling
turned off death insurance, too
lyric folio
Just turn the damage up to 500%
spice turret
This just in, whipped louts are absolute murder
raven lintel
truer words have ne'er been spoken
spice turret
Alright, we're trying to turn the enemies into glass-ish cannons
High damage and speed, but only 25% bonus hp...
I'll get back to you on that
And no damage block
lyric folio
As long as they are glass cannons without whipped frenzy you will be okay
raven lintel
there is no escape
raven lintel
let me consult this tiny deadly beetle here...
he says indeed there is no escape
condolences
spice turret
Okay, so lower HP enemies with speedy bullrush, critical attack (which should work on the rush) and Thanatos keepsake
quartz harness
Thanatos keepsake is super high risk/reward
raven lintel
i was also gonna ask how you like it lol
in general i've found that on high heat runs skull necklace is better
flat 40% after you get inevitably beat up
quartz harness
I usually start in Tartarus with a specific god keepsake to start a good build early, then switch to something like Distant Memory or Nyx Keepsake, or something after Meg.
raven lintel
indeed rothgar i tend to do the same
i don't use the shadow scarf though cuz i run grim inevitability or w/e it's called
hence skull necklace haha
quartz harness
Grabbing a specific god boon first room works especially well if you are trying to go for like a Blight Wine build or something that procs on attacks, Zeus, Artemis, Ares have some good boons for this
spice turret
Mm. Makes sense.
raven lintel
yeah that's a good point
lyric folio
It's often more healing than shawl or dusa keepsake
spice turret
The problem is... extra health drains real fast
lyric folio
And from the start
spice turret
That is accurate though
quartz harness
Oh yeah the dog collar is one of the best for no healing runs
spice turret
And something I would do well to remember
raven lintel
it's particularly ridiculous with the athena boon that gives you more healing on death defiance
can be hilarious with the revenge type boons lol
spice turret
I mean, that's the thing though, doesn't the 500% damage kind of mess with that?
lyric folio
So, doing some math, if you have 3 death defiance, you would need to get 240 (x0.4= 96) darkness to get the same amount of healing you would get from the flat hp of the doggy collar (60+12x3=96)
not counting the fact that food and fountains also heal for more with higher max hp
spice turret
Yeah...
lyric folio
So I would never recommend the shawl
In Asphodel
I've used it in tartarus though
It's fine to start with
spice turret
Okay, so, question that might affect the value here. Does the thanatos bonus stick around after you switch keepsakes?
raven lintel
nope
lyric folio
So sad :((
spice turret
Yeah, okay, pretty weak
lyric folio
It's high risk medium reward
spice turret
If it did... Maybe?
lyric folio
if you want damage I recommend skull earring
atomic panther
Skull Earring is better in high heat, bc it has a higher damage and is all around easier to get active
raven lintel
i keep calling it skull necklace damnit lol
atomic panther
Although with the new biome Pierced Butterfly will stack higher, and may be better
turbid needle
I think it's incredibly difficult to never get a single damage in asphodel. At least without deflect
spice turret
Hey, anybody know what happens if you enter a chaos gate that should kill you?
raven lintel
it won't let you afaik
lyric folio
you cant
spice turret
Huh
lyric folio
Would be cool if you could just commit subaru in the name of chaos
spice turret
Okay
raven lintel
there is no greater death than honorable lexus by chaos gate
lyric folio
Sudoku* sorry
raven lintel
the valkyries come down and swoop you up to valhalla
but SGG didn't want to commit to crossover pantheons just yet
quartz harness
Referring to keepsakes earlier... I think the purpose of Nyx keepsake is to help grind the early game. It was the first boon I maxed, but I haven't used it since I got total Darkness to like 2000-2500
It's not a "late game" keepsake, but was SUPER nice for my first 10-15 hrs of gameplay
green birch
Yeah Nyx was my first hydra kill keepsake ahaha
quartz harness
Break Pots!
green birch
Pot breaking simulator
raven lintel
has anyone non-ironically used sisyphus keepsake?
green birch
O shoot thatโs my next mini project
raven lintel
i leveled it up and haven't touched it since lol
lyric folio
I tried a build around it, but it felt quite weak
quartz harness
When I was leveling it up, It did well when I had the Ares/Artemis Duo Cast boon that creates a vortex. But that was it's only real time to shine.
When it works, it hits like a truck, but feel real weak in the more spread out Asphodel rooms.
raven lintel
that's how i feel about all poseidon boons lol
here's to hoping biome 3 has many many walls
icy edge
Nyx's keepsake can be really powerful on high heat runs with an early chaos +darkness boon
You get a heal room every darkness room
obtuse tapir
I forgot what Sisyphus's keepsake does
lyric folio
@icy edge you need 240 or more to break even with cerbs keepsake
obtuse tapir
what's its effect?
lyric folio
very unlikely
atomic panther
Shattered Shackle: Falling Rubble deals more damage (I forget the numbers, but I think base is 3 times damage)
icy edge
I get that much on average, though
quartz harness
Well, poseidon boons are all about knockback which i like personally, if you get that boon that works like Bloodseeker ultimate in Dota, I forget what it's called, its pretty good. They take damage based on pushback. That's really fun especially with shield builds.
raven lintel
i always think of pudge wars in wc3
exsanguinating people with the BS hook upgrade
those were the days
wingblade did you watch MDL today?
quartz harness
Is it also called rupture in Hades? I knew what it was called in DotA....
pastel jolt
yup!
quartz harness
yeah that's it!
pastel jolt
Ruptured: Continuously take damage while moving; damage scales with move speed.
quartz harness
Get Razor Shoals with the shield and some other knockback buff, it's real fun.
It's not very "good" but real fun, which kinda also means good
lyric folio
You hit a bomber, then they stress and jump to the other side of the level
And commit shakira
forest marsh
@hushed pagoda there is sort of a notification via audio cue. The Well has a distinct opening sound and it's directional. Can be easy to miss sometimes, though
proud storm
you can get a second daedalus hammer in elysium
rich lantern
You can indeed!
spice turret
Exit wounds and quick reload. Whoof! That's powerful
hushed pagoda
oh is there? huh
forest marsh
Yup. Chaos Gates, Infernal Gates, Wells, and Exits all have their own unlocking sound at end of combat
abstract hearth
This new dash awesome. 
old rivet
Animation is clean
grand dirge
okay, i havent played in a while, walking into the fury fight and not only NOT SEEING MEG but then fighting someone 14x as scary was terrifying as all hell (bu dum tish). Walk into a random room and death is just, kinda sitting there. Im too scared to start this fight
turbid needle
damn, spear nerfed... xD I'll never beat the hydra anymore now without a one in a hundred chance with boons/daedalus draws... It sucks to be bad at a game you like xD I'll enjoy elysium on youtube I guess o/
bold salmon
So Privileged Status "two Status Curse effects" which at first glance makes me just think Ares, but im assuming its Ares, Aphrodite, Dionysus, Poseidon's "Razor Shoals"?
spice turret
Well... Athena got an 'exposed' effect.
bold salmon
Oh, didnt know that
spice turret
Basically, if you use a deflect thing on them, they take extra backstab damage
Presumably this is why shadow presence got nerfed
bold salmon
Assumed it got nerfed cuz of Privileged Status
old rivet
Just killed hydra for the 1st time on new update
lyric folio
I am going for 60 from the get go
bold salmon
Im only 23 runs in though Wing ๐
lyric folio
Ah ^^
turbid needle
Heat does the game harder? I just use with darkness limit
old rivet
Elysium is beatifull af
spice turret
Butterfly got a buff, I see
bold salmon
Im using darkness and ive basically made money useless
blazing mulch
does anyone feels the game runs better? just downloading and wander if it will run better on my iGPU vega 8
wonder*
bold salmon
Im doing a Rail gun run, if i get the same build as last time ill let you know ๐
turbid needle
But if you're using Heat all is harder, or just have the debuff that you used?
bold salmon
i was dropping 40 fps
Just the debuff i think @turbid needle
Sorta why the darkness is nice cuz it doesnt really make the game that much harder
old rivet
Is there a way to show fps on hades ??'
elfin pulsar
yo theres like a patch and stuff
thats crazy
skelly statues got moved to act 3, thats pretty brutal
bold salmon
Kept wondering why i couldnt reload. Controls got reset.
elfin pulsar
this explosive return hammer is pretty sweet
like, clearing heat 0 rooms in 10 seconds sweet
bold salmon
Is it just me or is the Rail Special aim assist not helping as much?
Also havent had good boon luck ๐ญ
finite grail
YO I BEAT them first try hype. I got the boon where doom refreshes every time it damages a weak enemy and had an extended weak period of like +20 seconds lol
totally cheesed it out but hey
elfin pulsar
damn deadly reversal got butchered
went from 100% crit 3s duration to 50% crit 2s duration
stable oyster
I had so many consumable amount increases that the final darkness glob gives me 431
elfin pulsar
damn lmao, any heat?
stable oyster
nope
elfin pulsar
thats sweet
pastel jolt
theseus and the minotaur kicked my ass
turns out the drawback of twin shot is that you cannot outrange their attacks while still firing
proud storm
heroic boon https://i.imgur.com/RuoyBU3.jpg
bold salmon
Damn, thats a nice little attack buff
heady palm
i lost against the endboss rip ๐
bold salmon
I dont like Aphro on base attack but thats would be worth still XD
proud storm
i beat him but i wanna let people beat him first before i go in detail lmao
elfin pulsar
thats a lot, I think thats like 20% more than the regular epic aphro
heady palm
i will try tomorrow again
somber epoch
has anyoen tried getting World Splitter and Flurry Blade in the same run
is that even possible?
old rivet
@bold salmon I have nvidia too how do you make it show fps on games ?
bold salmon
if you have the hud activated default keys are alt + z
scarlet dagger
I have 9 death defiance stacked up currently, is this legal?
somber epoch
yes
scarlet dagger
I feel dirty
dire mason
Legal? Yes. Extravagant? Also yes. >:3c
scarlet dagger
oh right can't post images, was gonna post a screenshot of the stacked up DD's ๐
3 from mirror, 2 from Athena boons, 4 from well's
native ether
railgun is awesome this update btw just saying
finite grail
how do you get the heroic boons?
native ether
i think they're exchange only
somber epoch
exchange only according to patch notes, yeh
spice turret
I have 8 casts
1 is from a market and will wear off, but I'll be at 10 when my chaos boon kicks in
somber epoch
but do you have 8 cats?
spice turret
I'll see if Hades will let me get some
Make that 11, because I got a pom for 1 more
native ether
It definitely feels like your hammer upgrades are by far the most important things in your run though
which I dont think is a bad thing
its just a change in dynamic
somber epoch
im sure sgg will fine-tune all this
spice turret
Well... I didn't get 11 because I went up against the hydra when attacking hurt me
Chaos... Chaos is as chaos does
somber epoch
that's reduced trap damage?
elfin pulsar
ye
scarlet dagger
Ok, got 8 DD's left over entering Elysium, I think I've got this
somber epoch
good luck
elfin pulsar
with explosive return and mirage flight, if you use your special during the charge-up of a bull rush it will do the rush and explode the shield instantly instead of throwing it
not sure if this is a bug or some crazy weird synergy
somber epoch
anything to make shield good
elfin pulsar
shield seems great, though assault flight will be greatly missed
actually it looks like any time during bull rush you can use special to cause an explosion
indigo compass
dont think thats intended , might wanna report that one
elfin pulsar
damn i'd take that epic before alecto 100%
proud storm
the new elysium keepsake is pretty cool as well
elfin pulsar
how do you get it? the ? room?
proud storm
the room yes
||when you get hit you become invulnerable for 0.2 seconds||
essentially prevents you from getting torn to shreds in a flash
elfin pulsar
very interesting
proud storm
i havent ranked it up yet so it must get better
quiet ledge
https://i.gyazo.com/bf80f0a2430ffcc5373e01ca593a6e4f.png
Is this thing good? I have shield
elfin pulsar
for sure
proud storm
what other boons you got
in the choices there
cuz shield doesnt exactly benefit from this boon a lot since it's pretty slow
elfin pulsar
yeah guess it kinda depends on your hammers, i'd take it for the fun factor if nothing else
quiet ledge
https://i.gyazo.com/04010cf3b0ad2e7c2fb659780ee087a9.png
And I have no proper crit abilities, despite having a build around them. So I am inclined to take the first one
I have 6 bounces
atomic panther
Epic boon > 1%
proud storm
zeus cast?
elfin pulsar
yeah if you have crit synergy stuff then crit on attack is the way
quiet ledge
no cast upgrade
dense goblet
So if i may ask does it fire a cast seeking shot if you execute any move of the listed?
proud storm
yes
pastel jolt
elysium attempt number 2 ๐ค here goes
atomic panther
I believe you have to land an attack/special, but cast always spawns one
proud storm
yeah your attack/special needs to hit something
pastel jolt
i'm running a special-centric sword build with poseidon legendary, let's see if this fares any better than the agony that was twin shot bow
dense goblet
Oh ok but the extra thingy is a cast shard
quiet ledge
Does it spawn a homing shot on every shield bounce?
dense goblet
Just wanted to make it clear
proud storm
i think so but i'm not sure
quiet ledge
I'll take the attack crit then
jade estuary
What's OP nowadays after the patch?
old rivet
@bold salmon did it thx
jade estuary
I'm gonna need it to be able to get through elysium lol
quiet ledge
If I defeat Asterius as a midboss, do I still have to fight both him and Theseus?
proud storm
yes
elfin pulsar
can you avoid fighting him solo?
quiet ledge
yes
dense goblet
Asterius lifts so yeah chest takes damage the first time then you need to break the rest of him
proud storm
asterius alone is always behind an elite chamber
just avoid chamber doors with a little skull on them
elfin pulsar
he seems to be the boat trip of the level
quiet ledge
Since he's so hard and optional, I think defeating him should provide some kind of benefit on the final boss
elfin pulsar
which I guess is the double bomber of asphodel, huh
proud storm
beating asterius always gives you a god boon
dense goblet
Yeah or the wave bois
Can someone tell me what are the secret stuff scelly talks about
elfin pulsar
im glad pom stacking got nerfed, getting a bunch of boons is way more fun
quiet ledge
I don't want to fight Asterius unless I am super sure I have a strong run. Right now I feel like I have a weak run, and he has a boon I really wantm so I am torn
dense goblet
Well we could stack just more and more poms along with mote boons and stuff but I can't judge yet i ll play the new update later today and develop an opinion about them
elfin pulsar
ye im sure that lots of poms will still be very necessary at high heat, considering how lots of boons can just be not really helpful at all once you got ur main damage figured out
proud storm
pom upgrade takes a massive hit after lv 3-4 imo
which is fair considering all the boons you can get now
but yknow
dense goblet
Yeah pretty sure you gonna have a hard time if not for hammers and poms
somber epoch
whats the damage increase for shield like?
dense goblet
Yeah before i did not have all that many boons compared to what you guys say now
elfin pulsar
damage increase for shield didn't seem like much but I can't say I had many attack runs with it before