#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 232

grand patrol Apr 30, 2019, 3:11 PM

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id pick an individual one tho, not all at once nfjfkg

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I left feedback about witches, because I lost like 20 runs or so with the sword against them

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But people did not agree ;D

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@undone bone What heat level do you and the other supergiants play on generally?

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 3:26 PM

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is it hard getting the attack upgrade you want with tenebrous veil? do you ever reset or just go until you get one?

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i dont even have it unlocked to test yet lol

errant narwhal Apr 30, 2019, 3:31 PM

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attack boons are usually first in my experience

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so it shouldn’t be super hard to get them with veil

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Yea, just pick one attack boon

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and only go for poms if possible

undone bone Apr 30, 2019, 3:51 PM

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@lyric folio Folks here run the gamut of skill levels. We have several players who can comfortably play at high Heat totals, while others find plenty of challenge without engaging that system.

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 3:52 PM

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That makes a lot of sense, has anyone of you completed a 180 run?

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I kinda want to try, but 120 is already plenty challenging ;D

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Not sure if I have the masochism in me

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 3:53 PM

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is 180 a maxed pact?

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 3:53 PM

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yea

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@undone bone

grand patrol Apr 30, 2019, 3:55 PM

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who....is the Best at hades 👀

south comet Apr 30, 2019, 3:55 PM

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I believe in an interview before Greg said Darren might be the best of them, but that was a while ago

green birch Apr 30, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I would suggest having a mod Hades best contest but I feel like our skill levels are pretty varied aha

plucky oxide Apr 30, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Is Hades the best at Hades

grand patrol Apr 30, 2019, 3:58 PM

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WE SHOULD HAVE A CONTEST. ID LOSE, BUT,

thin jetty Apr 30, 2019, 3:58 PM

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i mean, i'd assume zag is since he's the one trying to get out of his house

grand patrol Apr 30, 2019, 3:58 PM

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the real winner is charon

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 3:58 PM

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hades mentions once that he failed to get out

grand patrol Apr 30, 2019, 3:58 PM

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makin that cash

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 3:58 PM

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so zag gonna be #1

thin jetty Apr 30, 2019, 3:58 PM

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hades just needs to get good

proud storm Apr 30, 2019, 3:58 PM

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sisyphus plays Hades

thin jetty Apr 30, 2019, 3:58 PM

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at hades

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Persephone got out before hades

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So shes prolly #1

proud storm Apr 30, 2019, 3:59 PM

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sisyphus: (points at zagreus in video game) look that's my anime crush

grand patrol Apr 30, 2019, 4:00 PM

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yes

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sisyphus used a cheat code on thanatos but it was modded out later

proud storm Apr 30, 2019, 4:04 PM

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sisyphus noclipped his way out of death

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thanatos: anything to say for your defense, wretch
sisyphus: sv_cheats 1
thanatos: wait what

grand patrol Apr 30, 2019, 4:07 PM

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set death chains to on thanatos

proud storm Apr 30, 2019, 4:09 PM

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thanatos: you leave me no choice !jail bouldyslayer666

grand patrol Apr 30, 2019, 4:16 PM

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hdnxjcncnxnx

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 4:39 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/bLoUq4c

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not even

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easiest run of my life

jolly cave Apr 30, 2019, 4:41 PM

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if anyones interested, this guy (not me) has several 150-180 heat runs https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3DTsIvPne24gy7ST02BHALLKeHPsSdrn

YouTube

Hades - YouTube

hollow minnow Apr 30, 2019, 5:31 PM

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@lyric folio you've beaten the Hydra that many times, and with all the weapons?!!!?!? OMGGGGGGGG HOWWWW

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 5:32 PM

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@hollow minnow Practice, and lots of tea 😃

hollow minnow Apr 30, 2019, 5:34 PM

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YOU ARE A GOD.

plucky oxide Apr 30, 2019, 5:46 PM

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A part of me wants to tackle heat runs, but another part of me feels like max-heat might increase by the time Hades launches. They're not my favorite way to play the game so far, and I'd rather not lose my clear %-age.

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 5:49 PM

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I see

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I just hope that they rebalance some pact stuff

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Because some of it is super expensive, and other stuff is really cheap

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heat wise

plucky oxide Apr 30, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I'd like to see whipped frenzy tuned a fair bit, as it's something that sounds fun on paper.

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Super excited for the next patch as well. It's gonna shake up so much. Wonder how they'll handle the victory screen.

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As in, do fastest clear times stay? That kind of thing.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523743368124301318/558588870753648640/unknown.png

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Because if they're adding a new biome idk if these numbers are changing. Haven't played since I hit those clean numbers. Now it's just gonna get longer (and harder) to get more wins accrued. Kind of wish I could clear the fastest time on update

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Damn

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that looks good

plucky oxide Apr 30, 2019, 6:01 PM

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I'm sure if I spent the same amount of time on high heat runs tho that number would be a LOT smaller, and that clear % would get oof'd.

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 6:02 PM

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42 in a row

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very decent

plucky oxide Apr 30, 2019, 6:03 PM

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It's always the rail that beefs me with the streak-ender. It's definitely the weapon I'm weakest with, but shotgun hammer is so fun.

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Haha, rail is one of my favs, but it is very boon dependant

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some boons are close to useless, and other godlike

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othersr*

plucky oxide Apr 30, 2019, 6:05 PM

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It's the runs where you're dry on boons that are the most terrifying, yeah.

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 6:05 PM

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others*

plucky oxide Apr 30, 2019, 6:05 PM

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The only weapon I don't feel comfortable taking non-god trinkets on is the rail for that exact reason.

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Yea, inaccurate 10 damage shots are not great

hollow minnow Apr 30, 2019, 6:35 PM

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THIRTY Hydra clears??!?! omgggggg

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I've only managed TWO. 😦

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💔

dull berry Apr 30, 2019, 6:36 PM

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some ppl have the dedication

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 6:42 PM

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@hollow minnow Keep at it Janeen, I love your enthusiasm!

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 7:11 PM

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seconds away from first trying 60 heat and I died because i used dio wrath and couldn't attack in time to break the bullets

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my heart is broken

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wish activating wraths didnt stop you from attacking, maybe I could have dashed though

lyric folio Apr 30, 2019, 7:17 PM

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You'll get him next time

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 7:18 PM

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yeah, and it really shows how much more practice I need avoiding stuff

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im waiting for the hydra quick melee nerf with bated breath

forest marsh Apr 30, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Not getting hit is arguably the most important skill to develop in Hades, but also the hardest

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Takes a while to learn attack patterns and telegraphs, and then to train yourself to not overcommit on attacks

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 7:20 PM

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yeah thats definitely my problem, getting too greedy for damage

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or not getting greedy enough and getting cornered

forest marsh Apr 30, 2019, 7:23 PM

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It's a fine line, to be sure

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 7:26 PM

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is rapid shot any good? bow upgrade

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seems worth trying at least

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seems pretty great vs 2 death insurance actually

forest marsh Apr 30, 2019, 7:31 PM

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It's not my favourite but depends on your playstyle

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Some swear by it

sly panther Apr 30, 2019, 7:31 PM

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I am still struggling to break my mash habit. Gotta be more patient

plucky oxide Apr 30, 2019, 7:47 PM

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My favorite thing to focus on when other players are playing is how they slowly start changing how they're using their dashes.

crisp iris Apr 30, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Ngl lightning man build is pretty fun

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Triple dash with all the zeus lightning modifiers

plucky oxide Apr 30, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Usually everyone jumps backwards/away from enemies, but then you see people start using it to side-strafe when the big boi's start charging. Soon you see people using them to close in the gaps to those silly urn bois. And then there's this moment when people realize just how fast you can chain two dashes together. Soon you see people constantly dashing between attacks, or learning to dash behind enemies (which always seems to be one of the last directions players learn to do) to get that backstab bonus.

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There's a really nice base learning curve to this game, and I think all of the enemy types in the first level really force players to make the most of their dodge in different ways.

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 8:22 PM

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yeah I think the way the natural progression you mentioned combines with backstab and dash upgrades is really awesome and smooth

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but now im at the point of forcing myself to dash less, because it doesn't do any damage and is frequently unnecessary vs unarmored bois

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chain dashes really up the technical skill ceiling too, you can mash them but there is a lot of room for finesse especially with dash boons

plucky oxide Apr 30, 2019, 8:34 PM

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There's a good temp to find between dashing and pausing so you never 'run out' of dashes. V v v nice for kiting Hades rooms.

turbid needle Apr 30, 2019, 8:48 PM

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ko no lol pop

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 8:50 PM

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aphro cast with the shotgun upgrade is great, you can cast>attack instantly for silly damage

atomic panther Apr 30, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Especially if you get the "weak enemies take more damage" boon

turbid needle Apr 30, 2019, 8:52 PM

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ttv

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 8:57 PM

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damn, took about 30 seconds to beat tis

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how does stacking different potencies of blight wine work?

pastel jolt Apr 30, 2019, 9:02 PM

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from what i remember, each stack you apply keeps its own value until it falls off and is replaced

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 9:04 PM

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so stronger stacks wont overwrite weaker ones, have to wait for htem to fall off?

atomic panther Apr 30, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Yeah

elfin pulsar Apr 30, 2019, 9:19 PM

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having the epic boon darkness buff must help a lot, for dio at least his epics are straight up 2.5x better

crisp iris Apr 30, 2019, 11:50 PM

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I keep readin Dionysus as Dio from jojo and confusing myself evry single time

grand patrol Apr 30, 2019, 11:50 PM

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good

safe mesa May 1, 2019, 1:07 AM

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you thought it was going to be a boon from dionysus, but it was me all along!

grand patrol May 1, 2019, 1:08 AM

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A BOON FROM JOJODIO

lyric folio May 1, 2019, 1:30 PM

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I'm in a run right now with the shield

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With 200 hp, 6 death defiance, improved by athena, and a total of 53% damage reduction

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I have never been tankier ;D

lyric folio May 1, 2019, 3:33 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/gEW15Y9

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Oof, oof

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Hardest decision of my life

trim ingot May 1, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Bode zag

native ether May 1, 2019, 5:07 PM

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always grab the hammer imo

night thistle May 1, 2019, 8:03 PM

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Agreed, get dat hammer

lyric folio May 1, 2019, 8:33 PM

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I did, got sudden rush

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worth it 😃

upbeat junco May 2, 2019, 3:24 AM

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What are the best builds for shield, planning on a shield throw build, maybe melee

forest marsh May 2, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Best build for shield is Bull Rush based

upbeat junco May 2, 2019, 3:32 AM

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what boons would I go with that?

lost rose May 2, 2019, 3:33 AM

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sudden rush maybe? and attack boons

forest marsh May 2, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Pretty much anything, honestly, but you want Sudden Rush hammer upgrade for sure

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For boons it's just personal preference

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More damage more better, but there are advantages and synergies for any collection of boons

upbeat junco May 2, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Then wouldn't either Pos or Athena be the best?

forest marsh May 2, 2019, 3:34 AM

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For max damage, absolutely!

upbeat junco May 2, 2019, 3:35 AM

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If you're charging bull rush does Athena deflect?

forest marsh May 2, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Not while you're charging, but it should when you release

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Or at least I don't believe it deflects while charging

upbeat junco May 2, 2019, 3:41 AM

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just tested, no it doesn't

elfin pulsar May 2, 2019, 4:32 AM

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so does the weapons secondary (bull rush, spin) get buffed by attack boons?

lost rose May 2, 2019, 4:33 AM

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i believe so?

forest marsh May 2, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Yup, they do

raven lintel May 2, 2019, 5:29 AM

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i really love the rapid fire hammer upgrade on shield with poseidon special boon

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it's hilarious in tartarus

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sadly pretty meh against bosses and in asphodel in general, but it sure is fun

tight depot May 2, 2019, 5:40 AM

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I discovered this last night

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It's a lot of fun

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I also lucked upon the Poseidon x Zeus Duo where when you displace someone they get struck with lightning and the Poseidon boon where when they hit a wall they splash out everyone else.

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Dropped many frames

raven lintel May 2, 2019, 5:48 AM

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haha that's awesome!

warm totem May 2, 2019, 9:27 AM

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Does someone have tips on melee on high heat? Can't avoid well enough..

lyric folio May 2, 2019, 9:49 AM

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@upbeat junco I would recommend 20% damage reduction daedalus. Best special boon is dio, but area and zeus are decent too

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@warm totem take it suuuuuuuuper slow

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Its difficult but practice makes perfect

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Also dash attacks are strong and fast

warm totem May 2, 2019, 9:57 AM

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I'll try out. Thanks!

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Cleared 120 heat only with the shield..

lyric folio May 2, 2019, 10:28 AM

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Shield was my first as well, struggled most with sword I think

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I just kept retrying until I started with worldbreaker

lyric folio May 2, 2019, 12:31 PM

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I am not allowed to post my stream here am I <@&456908176877551658>

lost rose May 2, 2019, 12:32 PM

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We prefer for streams to be advertised in #self-promotion , yeah ^^

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if you have a short video showing off tactics or something particularly impressive you're welcome to share it here though

lyric folio May 2, 2019, 12:32 PM

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👌 dusa 👍

fluid moat May 2, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Yeah for high heat don’t have anything in whipped frenzy and don’t get hit, taking it slow and getting one attack in before running away is better than getting 5 attacks and hit once yourself

lyric folio May 2, 2019, 5:17 PM

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I tried going for a build that had high burst, and put heat into anything except tankiness

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You just 1 shot everything, so whipped frenzy doesn't matter

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works really well up untill bosses

native ether May 2, 2019, 8:51 PM

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my personal strat for high heat (high for me being 60) and melee is really just abuse the spear's reach and special distance

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I don't personally find the sword viable in melee range at higher heat because its just too close

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My favorite melee high heat strat though is Adamant Rail shotgun :p

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also yeah already been stated, dont invest in whipped frenzy, it makes your life much harder

hollow minnow May 2, 2019, 8:57 PM

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@lyric folio Aww thank so much! You are inspiring me to try again 😄 Also how on Earth did you get SIIIXXXX DEATH DIFANCES HOLY COW?!!?!??!?

lyric folio May 2, 2019, 8:58 PM

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@hollow minnow Hahaha, you got this! I just got lucky with charons well, and Athena can give it too

forest marsh May 2, 2019, 8:58 PM

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You can get 7 from a combination of Athena and shops

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Maybe more, if your shops are generous to you

elfin pulsar May 2, 2019, 9:05 PM

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have you guys messed around with 10% whipped frenzy? is it even noticable?

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its worth a 40% damage increase which makes it kinda interesting

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after a couple runs lost during it I don't know if I got hit because I suck or because of the frenzy

forest marsh May 2, 2019, 9:07 PM

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I found up to 15% wasn't too bad. 25% is a noticeable challenge. 50% is insane

elfin pulsar May 2, 2019, 9:07 PM

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ok neat

forest marsh May 2, 2019, 9:07 PM

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That's just my experience, your mileage may vary

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Depends on if you're doing ranged or melee, too

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Melee is less forgiving than ranged

elfin pulsar May 2, 2019, 9:09 PM

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yeah I haven't found a good reason to focus on melee yet, unless its dashing around with the shield

lyric folio May 2, 2019, 9:13 PM

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For me, the shield but especially the spear are ranged weapons ;D

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Melee is inherently more risky

elfin pulsar May 2, 2019, 9:14 PM

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definitely, I figure the payoff is supposed to be higher dps, which does seem to be the case

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feels pretty not worth it but maybe its a skill thing

sly panther May 2, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Spear's attack range is deceptively far tho. With the hammer upgrade that increases range it's just about full screen

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Even without, the max range is pretty safe against most enemies

elfin pulsar May 2, 2019, 9:15 PM

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yeah I think the spears attack is pretty great, would hardly call it melee

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nice stunlock on it

elfin pulsar May 2, 2019, 9:48 PM

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ayyy thats 60 heat down

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assault flight with artemis special boon

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wish it was zeus or dio but it did the trick

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still had 2 lives left too, crazy how much easier that was than the last few

lyric folio May 2, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Congrats!

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Just another 120 heat to go

elfin pulsar May 2, 2019, 9:58 PM

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haha I don't think im up to it

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even 60 took way more patience and brain power than I wanted it to

lyric folio May 2, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Hahaha, it gets easier

elfin pulsar May 2, 2019, 9:58 PM

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might keep trying to go up though, just for faster darkness

lyric folio May 2, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Although I think 180 might not be within my patience limits ^^

elfin pulsar May 2, 2019, 9:58 PM

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still dont even have the last 2 upgrades unlocked

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yeah 180 sounds kindaaaaaa silly

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being "forced" into not using darkness for 180 is a bummer

lyric folio May 2, 2019, 10:03 PM

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I would love 1800% bonus dmg :))

elfin pulsar May 2, 2019, 10:15 PM

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that probably wouldn't be that much harder than the 60 I just did lol

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 1:01 AM

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I just had one of the sickest runs I've had in a while

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Full Ares cast

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https://imgur.com/a/oakOU6V

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One Blade rift Literally kills a hydra head from full

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And 2 for 25% of main hydra

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it was insane

radiant night May 3, 2019, 1:01 AM

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Yooo

grand pulsar May 3, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Anyone else get bad gym class flashbacks when running laps in the survive rooms?

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-shudders-

radiant night May 3, 2019, 1:27 AM

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flashbacks to almost being spat on by a freshman boy

grand patrol May 3, 2019, 1:29 AM

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and that boy...was hades hades

lost rose May 3, 2019, 1:30 AM

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hades hades (hades (2020))

grand patrol May 3, 2019, 1:31 AM

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hades hades (hades (twades twades))

atomic panther May 3, 2019, 1:32 AM

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43 damage blade rifts

median ridge May 3, 2019, 1:33 AM

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asphodel survive rooms: time to run laps for dad

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 1:35 AM

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@atomic panther With +63% damage, and +40% skull earring, they hit for 81 in game ;D

atomic panther May 3, 2019, 1:35 AM

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:D

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 1:35 AM

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And since they hit 10 times per second, that is 810 dps, and 3240 total damage per rift

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If all ticks hit

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squirtyay

atomic panther May 3, 2019, 1:36 AM

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:D

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 1:36 AM

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I could relate with Tis

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I just wanted to

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M-M-M-MURDER

grand patrol May 3, 2019, 1:37 AM

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zagHEWWO murder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tisi ⛔ murder!!!!! 🚫!!!!!!!

atomic panther May 3, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Zagreus: Murderer rights!

grand patrol May 3, 2019, 1:37 AM

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HJFJFJFHJ

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tisi: murdern't

atomic panther May 3, 2019, 1:38 AM

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ASAjdfhlakdjfhakwdjsd yes

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 1:38 AM

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<@&456908176877551658> We need a Tisiphone MURDER emoticon

lost rose May 3, 2019, 1:39 AM

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please try to use the @ all for the mods sparingly fhdkfj
but your request has been noted

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 1:39 AM

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I am just too excited sometimes, sorry gilmanangst

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shadesmile

hollow minnow May 3, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Whooaa, guess I should try Blade Rift with the Hyrda, then?!!? 😮 😮 😮 😮

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I FINALLY!!!!! reached Alsphodel on 60 heat, yay!!!!!!! I survived for a pretty impressive time, to my surprise! I died at the stone gorgon head who freezes you 😢

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And I somehow managed to beat Tisiphone 😮 😮 😮 She's hard!!

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I don't think I'll be able to unveil the 2nd statue before the next update, though, which makes me super sad 💔 But now I know getting to Adosphel is possible!!!

turbid needle May 3, 2019, 3:33 AM

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yeah, just make sure not to use 12 blade rifts at once k?

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that thing really breaks pc in half

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@hollow minnow 60 heat win isn't that hard once you get your winning condition combo and pacts that don't murder you immediately

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and then it really goes off if u want to cheat the game a bit or not

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as you can go a little bit...

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"Back to the Future" thing

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well a little bit is a bit of lie...

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you can actually rig things, ridiculous way

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for example...

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Hammers in run you're playing won't change for seed if u give up

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might change if hammers happen to be later and u use different choices

upbeat junco May 3, 2019, 5:55 AM

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What do you think is the best things to use on pact of punishment when doing a spear special athena/artemis run

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aiming for 60 and 120 heat runs

forest marsh May 3, 2019, 5:57 AM

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I don't know about 120 since I have yet to succeed on one, but for 60 I had success with max Stifling Darkness, Shared Misery, and Convenience Fee

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Not saying it's the best strategy, but it worked for me on both spear and bow

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I liked it because it didn't make the enemies in any way harder

upbeat junco May 3, 2019, 5:59 AM

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what stuff should i spend my darkness on then?

forest marsh May 3, 2019, 6:01 AM

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For the 500 available? Max dash and death defiance, the rest is preference

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By max I mean as many as you can buy

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3 dashes and 2 DD if I recall correctly

upbeat junco May 3, 2019, 6:02 AM

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ok, im trying 3 dashes, 2 dd and the rest in backstab

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also is there a way to give up the run then get a different starting upgrade, or just to die

forest marsh May 3, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Spear meta is Athena + Vicious Skewer, which is pretty easy as long as you don't get hit too much

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The only way to significantly change the seed is to die

upbeat junco May 3, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Yea I think they should change that so you can give up to change

forest marsh May 3, 2019, 6:04 AM

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I believe it's been suggested

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Would have to check the feedback to be sure, though

upbeat junco May 3, 2019, 6:06 AM

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ok, i just got a vicious skewer upgrade on first room, lets hope I can do this

pastel jolt May 3, 2019, 6:33 AM

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it’s been suggested in feedback but got 🚫 ‘d

upbeat junco May 3, 2019, 6:35 AM

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just did a spear special run where the 1st 2 boons were Athena special and Artemis/Athena duo, unfortunately didn't get vicious skewer tho

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What do you guys think is the most overpowered weapon and build so far?

icy edge May 3, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Spear+Vicious Skewer/Anything at all

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It's pretty mindless, and eradicates even hearty foes in a blast or two

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As opposed to like... Sword/Zeus

finite grail May 3, 2019, 7:21 AM

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Problem I see with enabling a give up run feature is it can make dark thirst for weapons pointless

obtuse tapir May 3, 2019, 8:04 AM

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I also think spear+skewer(+athena special) is the craziest

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critical backstab damage is really high

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 11:11 AM

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@upbeat junco As someone who has done 120 heat on every weapon, I would not recommend a third dash, death defiance is more important, and as far as heat goes, don't put any points in grim inevitability, or convenience fee

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Death defiance is super important

turbid needle May 3, 2019, 12:14 PM

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theoretically... Weapon thirst could be independent from run seed...

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that being said... I have idea this would be absolutely horrendous to code

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Hahaham I just had such a strong artemis wrath that it 1 shotted a main hydra phase

dull berry May 3, 2019, 1:10 PM

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god damn it

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that's some power

atomic panther May 3, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Artemis wrath is so much fun

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Only situationally imo

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Half the time it deals no damage because everything goes on a numbskull next to you, or everything hits a wall or pillar

atomic panther May 3, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Situationally strong, always fun imo

green birch May 3, 2019, 1:58 PM

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I do find that’s a nice balance though; it’s either crowd control or high focused damaged and I’m always happy for either

elfin pulsar May 3, 2019, 3:36 PM

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my artemis wraths usually just suck, even on boss fights they just go find adds

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aphrodite wraths on the other hand, thats the good stuff

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though it makes bombers get real nutty

pastel jolt May 3, 2019, 3:41 PM

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i think athena's my favourite wrath just because it's quick to charge and i can still attack during it

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artemis wrath usually launches itself into walls/debris, i'd rather kill a thing than charm it, and ares/poseidon wraths are a bit clunky to use

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zeus and dionysus take so long to charge that i don't actually get to use them that much

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 3:58 PM

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I think Athena is easily the strongest

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And Poseidon is too hard to control, and too low on damage

plucky oxide May 3, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Athena's is the strongest strictly because you can keep min/max your base dps without worrying about kiting. Poseidon and Ares lose out on your base dps and dramatically alter your movement choices, so they're out in my mind. Zeus and Dio are a strong choice for me, as it again allows you to continue attacking amidst the chaos. However, it's a lot harder to see your character in the fray during these two, and they don't offer invulnerability. Artemis is nice because it's a one-and-done ability, but if I had the choice between Aphrodite and Artemis' wrath, I'd choose Aphro's one and done. It makes boss and mini boss fights really trivial, and just kind of pacifies the fight for a bit.

dull berry May 3, 2019, 4:05 PM

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never got athena's wrath

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but ares is spin to win

pastel jolt May 3, 2019, 4:07 PM

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i'd like ares a lot more if you could dash during it but it's gotten 🚫 'd every time that's been suggested, so

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it's a shame because turning into the knifeblender of death SHOULD be fun

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 4:08 PM

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I would love if you could cast during Poseidons wrath

plucky oxide May 3, 2019, 4:11 PM

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I only take Ares wrath when I'm doing an Ares cast build. And I only take Poseidon's wrath when I've got the bleed-effect on Poseidon.

lyric folio May 3, 2019, 4:11 PM

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elfin pulsar May 3, 2019, 4:22 PM

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yeah ares wrath feels really bad without synergy, do not like taking it

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aphro's is great as you said because it makes bosses much easier, the rare version with no upgrade is like 13-14 seconds of stun on regular mobs (think its half on bosses?) which I've found helps a ton with the hydra heads, though they do tend to attack the invincible head

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its got a lot of weird little bugs and inconsistencies sadly

turbid needle May 3, 2019, 8:52 PM

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yeah...

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the biggest thing about aphrodite is that throw bombers and bomb-flingers get suicidal in murderboat only to understand...

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there is no lava damage outside murderboat LOL

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 5:15 AM

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rapid-fire shadeohboy

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 5:16 AM

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A lot of people like Rapid Fire! I like keeping the Power Shot ability, personally

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The multiplicative damage buffs really add up

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Not that there's anything wrong with Rapid Fire, it's just a different playstyle

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 5:19 AM

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So Sisyphus's healing basically is just a restart right?

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 5:19 AM

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No, a lot of people confuse the wording on that

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I wish SG would change it, honestly

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 5:19 AM

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Why i was asking, it didnt seem to make sense

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 5:20 AM

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The description is just saying if you lose your HP you die

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But Sisyphus is offering you an HP heal

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It's like "This is HP! If you lose it, you die" but in phrasing that sounds like Sisyphus will kill you

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 5:20 AM

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Yea, i noticed it said healing but the description sounds like what you said

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Ayy im captain america

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Shield can be a lot of fun, and they've done a lot of work to polish the input buffering on it. Bull Rush is super powerful if you know how to use it

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Shield is arguably the safest weapon, with an addendum that it still takes a bit of skill to execute

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 5:49 AM

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OK actual question. Zeus has a powerup to make your B chain. but isnt that counter intuitive since you also get a base powerup that increases dmg when its inside someone?

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Not all casts stick in enemies, however Zeus cast does stick in the last enemy it hits (usually - sometimes it just lands on the ground squirtheh )

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Yea im noticing Dino's doesnt either

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Dio, Ares, and Aphrodite don't stick

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Guess ill avoid upgrading the stick for a bit then

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Boiling Blood is definitely useful, it's just situational depending on what Cast upgrade you take

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Aphro does stick

atomic panther May 4, 2019, 12:07 PM

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Aphrodite's definitely sticks

native ether May 4, 2019, 1:22 PM

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yeah was about to say Aphro usually sticks into a target

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if you hit multiple i dont know how it chooses

sly panther May 4, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Aphro sometimes doesn't, I'm not sure how it works but it seems to be either range or the number of hits? Been trying to figure that out

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It seems like if I catch people at the very far end it doesn't, but that could be because those shots only hit one or two waves. Maybe you need to hit at least 3 to stick?

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 4:31 PM

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if you hit them point blank it'll reliably stick, outside of that i'd love to know if you figure it out

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Ill do some testing

stable oyster May 4, 2019, 6:26 PM

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just had a run where my shield special was hitting for over 400

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 8:46 PM

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hmm...

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Deadly Reversal + Ares Special ?

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that's my only idea how to do that LUL, since base damage of shield is really horrible in itself

atomic panther May 4, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Lightning Strikes Twice boon cranked up as high as you can and lightning strike repeatedly?

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 8:59 PM

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I never even got the Double Strike for special on zeus... that would be fun

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getting the Double Strike on Zeus... quite RNGful

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I find it somehow harder than Artemis Dash + Attack Combo but... maybe it's just not trying enough for me

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well let's see...

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even though I hate shield special with some passion

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 9:36 PM

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have to say it's still viable with 5 lvl zeus special and assault flight

atomic panther May 4, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Dread Flight makes it usable for me

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Three times the damage output in a crowd

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 9:37 PM

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is dread flight the one that bounces off the more targets ?

atomic panther May 4, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Up to 6

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 9:37 PM

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that sounds like pain if u don't have increased speed of flight

atomic panther May 4, 2019, 9:38 PM

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It increases flight speed, yeah

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 9:38 PM

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it's just the base damage...

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feels like adamant rail in this aspect lol

atomic panther May 4, 2019, 9:38 PM

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15 to 6 targets is 90 damage, not counting backstab and/or boiling blood

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Adamant Rail, to me, is only usable because of the special

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 9:39 PM

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and even special is quite gimmicky

atomic panther May 4, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Although my opinion of that is colored through my Keyboard and Mouse goggles :P

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 9:39 PM

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it's strong, especially with hammer

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I'm also using KB+Mouse in every game I play so...

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I also turn off the aim assist on bow, because I hate snapping to targets

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when I want to target two enemies and it just snaps me to that one

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dashing to mouse

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and to be honest...

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it feels good to have that dash to mouse for me

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I have feeling of more control

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to the point I hardly even use arrow keys to move

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lol

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although yeah, here is a thing I hate about adamant rail

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when you stand and reload

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you can't move

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when you dash and reload, you can't move

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but you can move while running to reload the damn thing

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I feel the... "WTF" in it

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to the point that attack doesn't seem to be made to work with dash....

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and attack weapon part is from the Bastion basically

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where "Dash" is actually much more interactive

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although when I look back on how fast Bastion movement feels -> It doesn't

atomic panther May 4, 2019, 9:44 PM

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I thought they fixed that?

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Im not willing to test it. Do you take damage when standing in a spawn ring?

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 9:44 PM

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spawn ring ?

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I see

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 9:45 PM

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The ring that shows where they spawn

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 9:45 PM

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okay, give me minute lol

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you shouldn't unless it's whipped frenzy, then they spawn faster I guess ?

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nope

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you don't get damage when standing in spawn ring

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 9:51 PM

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So beat meg first try with bow, having trouble with sword and shield though xP

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 9:51 PM

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let's be honest, sword sucks

atomic panther May 4, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Sword does not suck, it just doesn't fit your playstyle

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 9:52 PM

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I mean, it's a good weapon overall... but it doesn't feel that good compared to Shield, Spear, Bow for me

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I feel like it's bigger flaws start appearing at the higher heats

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Theres a lot of animation cancels you can do with it

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 9:54 PM

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other thing is that it lacks something I would like to call "anti-projectile" tool

pastel jolt May 4, 2019, 10:09 PM

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cast

plucky oxide May 4, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Swords great. Ridiculously high dps potential, and a variety of ways to achieve it. One of the only weapons where special and attack feel very useful throughout your run, regardless of which you spec into.

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One of the only weapons with an almost instant move that can clear projectiles in a radius around you, and not just in front of you.

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Well i beat meg again, have literally 1hp xD

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:13 PM

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ouch

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well, you will get used to patterns

stable oyster May 4, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Deadly reversal, 150 Athena special, 89% chaos special lots of poms, 39% chaos special @turbid needle

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For how I did it

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:14 PM

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this has definitely lots of dps potential

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Dinos wrath is pretty meh it feels like

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:14 PM

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both Zeus and Diyonsus feel kinda iffy

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let's add fact that it can lag you out

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that doesn't help

stable oyster May 4, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Dip is strong if you have boons to go with it with it

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Dio *

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:15 PM

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I love Dio

plucky oxide May 4, 2019, 10:15 PM

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I will agree with the high heat prospect of sword. The lack of safe poke from distance beyond cast moves it down a peg in that aspect, but base game it's easily one of the most fun for me.

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:15 PM

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his special/attack boons feel underestimatable... but can bring considerable power

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the problem with sword special is that it has the same issue that Bow Special had for X time for me, it's damn cooldown

copper berry May 4, 2019, 10:16 PM

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I heard someone say Dino's wrath was meh 👀

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 10:16 PM

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If you go in a room with 2 gods in it is there a higher chance of better boons?

plucky oxide May 4, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Cooldown's nonexistent now, tbh. Swords all about mixing attack and special together. Feels great.

copper berry May 4, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Only in the sense that you have twice as many boons to choose from Ousel so you double the chances of seeing a good one.

bold salmon May 4, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Oh yea i forget you get both of them

pastel jolt May 4, 2019, 10:17 PM

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tired: calling dionysus “dio”
wired: calling dionysus “dino”
inspired: calling dionysus “dip”

plucky oxide May 4, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Who does everyone think offers better poke/kiting potential relative to damage output, mono-Ares or mono-Dio?

pastel jolt May 4, 2019, 10:18 PM

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dio

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:18 PM

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depends on weapon

pastel jolt May 4, 2019, 10:18 PM

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ares was probably better before they lengthened the time for his curses to fire and now it’s just zzz

plucky oxide May 4, 2019, 10:18 PM

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I feel like the strength of Ares cast can't be ignored.

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:18 PM

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shield -> ares, Bow -> Dio, Rail -> Dio, Sword -> feels like Ares, Spear -> ares

pastel jolt May 4, 2019, 10:19 PM

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eh, i like boiling blood too much to run ares cast often

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though the blender of death IS amazing if you pull it off

sly panther May 4, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Rapidfire shield with dio on special though is pretty great

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:19 PM

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though, Bow special is more Dio, meanwhile Ares seem to work better with Attack... but Dio still works

proud storm May 4, 2019, 10:19 PM

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if you have dire misfortune bow special and AR attack become deadly with ares

median ridge May 4, 2019, 10:19 PM

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(best name for dionysus: denny)

stable oyster May 4, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Sudden Rush > all

sly panther May 4, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Well yes, but that doesn't always come up, haha

plucky oxide May 4, 2019, 10:21 PM

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I feel like.... I don't respect Poseidon enough. When I get home I might run a few sets of mono-Poseidon with each weapon. I feel like the bleed is underrated.

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:21 PM

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my personal favourite with poseidon...

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Multi-Skewer + Spear + Poseidon Special + Watery Blast

sly panther May 4, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Poseidon on spear attack has given me some crazy runs

stable oyster May 4, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Poseidon dash is better then I thought

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:21 PM

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meh boss power... stupid mob clear power LUL

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imagine playing

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pinball with spear

plucky oxide May 4, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Spear is nuts. Poseidon attack on sword is such terrible synergy sometimes, it's awesome.

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:28 PM

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yeah, that combo got me in 3:33 to meg

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or other fury

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0 heat though

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yeah, this got quite insane

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https://i.imgur.com/dqMye9l.png

Imgur

proud storm May 4, 2019, 10:42 PM

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y-you have how many clears

gilded sandal May 4, 2019, 10:44 PM

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More clears with the bow than I have with all the weapons cell

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 10:44 PM

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That's more clears than I have total runs shadeohboy

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:48 PM

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I don't think you want to know how many escape attempts I had lol

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 10:48 PM

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But the real question is have you done your 1000 conversations with Hades squirtdevious

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:48 PM

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nah, not really

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easiest way is probably do the Sudoku way lol

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:49 PM

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does it count if he doesn't have a speech bubble?

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Yup

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:49 PM

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it does

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:49 PM

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oh snap, i've been ignoring everybody without one

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:49 PM

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he gets out of material quite quickly

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:49 PM

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codex was taking forever

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I love how varied opinions are about boons/weapons/hammers

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really shows how well balanced the game is and how playstyle dependent it can be, especially at lower heats

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:51 PM

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I can say that Deadly Reversal and Empowering Nova will be changed in next patch... if not entire crit system

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which would make more sense

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:52 PM

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hope they give sword some love then, they gave me a check on my feedback asking for usability changes so I got hopes

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:52 PM

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because problem of these things is that it brings too much guaranteed power

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:52 PM

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empowering nova gets the wins lol

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:52 PM

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If I were thinking like dev I would think about bringing crit power to +100% more damage and instead tweaking crit boons around it

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:53 PM

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the 3x crit is very satisfying though, but yeah its real scary with 100% crit chance stuff

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:53 PM

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could empower and stabilize the frequency of artemis crits meanwhile it would also stabilize the empowering nova and deadly reversal

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oh that and if u ask me ?

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I would like that deflecting magma orbs and bombs also would be affected by Deflection boons

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because it's harder to do so, yet you get no reward for that

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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yeah I would definitely love bombs to be changed, it seems totally arbitrary as it is

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in that vein, a random little thing I'd like would be hitting the magma blobs in asphodel out of the air

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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even with bow special it's tricky and that thing has insane anti-projectile potential

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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bombers in general seem like they need some polishing

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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first of all would be making them seem more different from each otehr

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Bomb dancer and bomb thrower are okay

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but bomb flingers and bomb throwers look too similiar

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I only can recognize them by size differences

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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didnt even realize there were more than 2 types

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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small and blue-ish -> Bomb Dancer

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Medium -> Bomb Flinger

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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actually maybe i did, there are the point blank bombers, the straight shots, and the homing shots

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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There's the Bombflingers, Inferno Bombers, and Slamdancers

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Largest -> Bomb Thrower

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:57 PM

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slamdancers are the ones that throw them in melee range?

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:57 PM

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yes

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 10:57 PM

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ok kewl

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 10:58 PM

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dunno why I remember their names like that... well maybe because all use bombs lol

stable oyster May 4, 2019, 11:01 PM

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I kind of wish that there where more super powerful rare boons

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Duo boons are great for that

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:13 PM

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yeah I really like the idea of legendary boons but it would be awesome if you had a small chance to get them without the pre-reqs

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or if not the current legendaries then new ones to fill that role

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and im sure they'll do something like that since they seem dedicated to sticking as much replayability in as possible

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:14 PM

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well... I would also love some changes to existing legendary boons I guess...

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my biggest gripe goes to Dio...

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you have to have awfully specific setup to get the effect and it's effect... isn't particularly strong

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:15 PM

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ye lol

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:15 PM

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even Aphrodite seems strong compared to that

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and that's really bad indication

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:16 PM

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is aphro's actually bad? never got it but it seems pretty great vs both regular mobs and hydra heads

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love aphro wrath vs hydra

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Aphro effect, it's not bad

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the thing I've felt is that Aphro effect seems to have dimnishing returns against bosses

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and you have "chance to charm"

stable oyster May 4, 2019, 11:17 PM

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aphro is great for consistently winning runs, but isin't as flashy as other gods

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:17 PM

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it'd be nice with fast attacks but also getting an aphro boon on ur fast attack is just wasteful

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having dio or zeus has gotta just be better overall

stable oyster May 4, 2019, 11:18 PM

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think of aphro on attack as 2x hp and it begins to look alot better

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:18 PM

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i do love having a source of weak, just not on my primary attack

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:18 PM

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well...

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Aphrodite all other boons are just much stronger in that matter

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so it's only okay to make her legendary weaker

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honestly... Aphrodite seems really strong if your focus isn't to get the highest possible damage on dash attack

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or just huge damage on hit

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also... Aphrodite works so damn well with Ares and Dio

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her Dash is possibly the strongest utility tool in the entire game

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:21 PM

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yeah I love her dash, think its probably the best source of weak on average

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:21 PM

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yeah, and weak is 50% damage reduction

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if I remember right ?

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:21 PM

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yeee

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:21 PM

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alongside with best resistance boons

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30% less damage lol

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when Athena has 15% on epic

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that being said, Athena would kinda do with boon changes...

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:22 PM

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I believe its multiplicative and not additive though, so you suffer from diminishing returns with every upgrade

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:22 PM

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though I don't think they work the same, I agree that aphros is better but it says close enemies only or w.e.

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:22 PM

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atleast thats what I notice while running 500% enemy damage pact

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:23 PM

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500% enemy damage... sounds like dead cells

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I get hit once in a run, quits the game

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:23 PM

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nah, i managed to make a clear with it

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:23 PM

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kind of thing

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:23 PM

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honestly 500% damage is easier than 50% more foes and 50% faster foes

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those two combined makes it sooo much harder to make a clear

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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yeah, I can imagine playing game on nightcore is the worst thing possibly

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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faster for sure, though I've found the more foes to be a lot easier for me

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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possible*

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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because you simply have close to 0 chances to attack

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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yeah...

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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50% more enemies is 20 heat, which is 200% enemy damage

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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you are too busy dashing, overwhelmed by foes

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that move like they are on steroids

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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I usually used as my 60 heat setup 100% torment, insurance +2 , more foes, more health, convenience fee

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:25 PM

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its a lot easier to dodge one 500% hit

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:25 PM

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just not to have too resign from my mirrors

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:25 PM

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than 2 200% hits though ... ;D

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especially in smaller floors in Asphodel, like the platform

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:25 PM

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fair enough, though you need both for 120 right?

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:25 PM

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You need all except 2for 120

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if I remember right

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:25 PM

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50% with asphodel...

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I can imagine how it looks

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:26 PM

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I attempted 110 heat run

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:26 PM

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seems like that 200% more damage would be easier for regular mobs, and harder for bosses

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:26 PM

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and It was unbearable

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:26 PM

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4 Witches spamming bullet hells

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:26 PM

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i mean most weapons that work okay at 0 heat

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are simply awful in 90+ heat

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Rail is complete garbage, so is sword and spear

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only shield and (sometimes) bow

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:26 PM

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the spear is great

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:26 PM

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do work past 100 Heat

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:26 PM

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you don't need to tell me about Rail...

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this thing can't deflect anything even if it killed me

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:27 PM

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where enemies are 50% more, 50% faster, 50% more HP and hit for 5x damage

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:27 PM

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somebody whos actually played 120 like wing could talk more about it, but I've seen plenty of people mention how spear with vicious skewer is how they beat 120

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:27 PM

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rail,spear and sword simply are awful

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:27 PM

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and special is so slow that enemy will do laps around you before you hit them even once

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:27 PM

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skulls are hyper annoying against spear's special

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they are way too fast and many

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:27 PM

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spear is probably okay because they can keep things at range and critical spear is most reliable way to deal lots of damage

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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well for my experiance, spear special cant even kill a skull in 1 complete attack

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at 120 heat

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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due to death insurance, yeah

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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it definitely can if they aren't blocked

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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also they spread alot and eventually overwhelm you

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from all sides possible

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Everything works for 120 as long as you're capable of using it properly

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Otherwise people wouldn't have done them all

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:29 PM

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the people that have done it all

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cheated it..

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literally

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:29 PM

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what do you mean?

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:29 PM

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I mean they go for 120 heat

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:29 PM

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rigging run

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:29 PM

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and every time they suffer damage

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:29 PM

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it's typical tactic to do heat I guess

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:29 PM

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they rerun their last checkpoint in save

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weapons are simply balanced towards 0 heat

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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I see...

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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i've definitely watched youtube videos of people not doing that

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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and almost none are balanced towards 120 heat

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and balancing stuff around 120 heat is the proper way for the devs to go imho

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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People definitely don't do that for their 120 runs, unless they've modded their game

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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rail is literally the weakest possible weapon

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you can even run in 120 heat

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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That's an opinion

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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too low damage, special never hits because its too slow

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against all those bulky swarms of exhanced enemies

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spread is awful against fast enemies with tons of hp

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it works great in 0 heat

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works worst against 120 heat

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:31 PM

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ill get back to you once I actually play 120, but thats definitely not what I've seen 120 players in here say

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seems like sword is probably the worst

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:31 PM

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while shield probably works best in 120 heat, yet somewhat weak

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nah, sword can atleast deflect properly with athena

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adamant rail is awful in both outputting damage

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and deflecting

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:32 PM

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yeah, due to non-existent hitbox of rail attacks

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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and unreliable aiming

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since you cant exactly control your aim properly

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even with the hummer upgrade for more accurate attacks

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you still miss shots

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also the reload mechanic is literally punishing in 120 heat

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you rarely have a good opportunity to attack without risking getting one shot (due to 500% damage)

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and even with 12 attacks

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you deal 120 damage

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thatsl like 5% of enemy HP

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in 120 heat, takes a ton of time

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and than you have to reload... which to say is bad is understatement

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special... you can forget about it

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it takes so long to hit, that those frenzy enemies are no longer there for quite awhile

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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well I can tell you that ur definitely wrong about damage dealt

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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well...

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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you almost guaranteed get hit while shooting it

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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You can't reload the rooms in Hades unless you've somehow modded the game, so I don't see where you are getting that from

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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i've had all my enemy health stuff maxed for a while and the rail does plenty fine damage

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yeah wait how are these people restarting at checkpoints anyways?

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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you can reload the rooms mate

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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to make use of rail reload and not get punished to hell you just have to not dash , you have to run while reloading, otherwise you will be locked in place... which is horribly annoying

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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make a backup of your saved game

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and just reload it to rerun it

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you can even reroll it

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but it makes the run pointless

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:36 PM

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you can even rerun same seed

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:36 PM

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because you're straight up cheating it

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:36 PM

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multiple times LUL

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:36 PM

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yes, what Morbid said, you can rerun the entire seed

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:36 PM

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yeah I know you can re-run the same seed, but you can restart the room?

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:36 PM

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use different weapon etc.

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yes, you can

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 11:36 PM

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What they're saying is make a copy of the save at each room, I think

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:36 PM

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using different weapons doesn't really change seed

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:36 PM

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and this is how those 120 heet runners got their attempt usually

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:36 PM

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so if you know you can get certain epic/rare boons

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:36 PM

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because most weapons simply does NOT work in 120 heat

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at their current stage

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:37 PM

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do people actually do that? havent seen that once in any of the streams or youtube vids I've seen

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:37 PM

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you can just giveup at first boon choice and use perfect god keepsake to make your run easier

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 11:37 PM

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I definitely watched people do live 120 runs

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:37 PM

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@runic bluff As someone who has completed 120 heat on all weapons, I have a few grupes

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 11:37 PM

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None of them have ever done that, SoulBurned

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:37 PM

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Gripes

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:37 PM

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I said most

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I exclude the 1% here

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:37 PM

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how did you find out about this?

forest marsh May 4, 2019, 11:37 PM

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I doubt that is the case

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:37 PM

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speedrunners would probably do that, because it would make some sense... then at certain level I would say... all is fair in war and love

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:38 PM

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While it is easiest to go for a good first boon or hammer, and restart, I have done it with and without

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:38 PM

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because the guys who managed to beat 120 heat in a proper run without making a rerun for the seed

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are simply put "the 1%"

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:38 PM

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I 1 shotted 120 heat with bow

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Proof is on the gameplay disc a few days ago

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:38 PM

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there is a huge difference between re-running from the seed and restarting each individual room tho

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:38 PM

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indeed, it is

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:38 PM

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is there? its still cheating the system

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:39 PM

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if I just restarted a room each time I got hit I could 1-try 120 right now

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:39 PM

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to get benefit

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like knowing which upgrades awaits

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and go for the best possible weapon for the said boons

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Only the first room is guaranteed the same

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The rest rerolls

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:39 PM

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to take an edge by obtaining an adventageous possition

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:39 PM

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yes and no @lyric folio

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:39 PM

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its definitely a benefit, but im sure you can see how there is an insanely huge difference between being able to restart a room and having to restart the whole run

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:39 PM

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not really...

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Partially @turbid needle

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:39 PM

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if you go entirely same route and choices, you still get same choices

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Nop

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Not always

turbid needle May 4, 2019, 11:40 PM

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not sure about chaos

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:40 PM

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I have tried a lot of reruns

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To test it

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and this is what I learned:

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When you restart a run by giving up and reloading, you get the same first room, and then one of ?(6ish) different layouts. And after like 30 restarts its seems to completely shuffle

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:41 PM

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you're doing it wrong than

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:41 PM

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I cannot verify this, but I have done hundreds, maybe thousands of restarts

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:41 PM

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close the game, because reloading a seed

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requires the same Debug Log

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which changes after each reload and reshuffles your rewards and next room enemies etc.

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Very weird

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:42 PM

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i've tryied rerunning the same seed

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and as long as you make same choices and take same routes

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your rewards remain the same

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Maybe the difference is that I don't close the game, I "Give up"

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:42 PM

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considering you keep the entire run DebugLog and save file in tact

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I even keep certain seeds in a folder aside

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just for fun

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so I can rerun them later when I feel like it

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Interesting

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:43 PM

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using some tags like weapon/boon upgrades on folder name

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:43 PM

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I just "gave up" a run and straight up got a different enemy floor 1

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:43 PM

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when I manage to find an interesting seed

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:43 PM

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so only alt-f4ing causes a true reset?

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Different enemy, sometimes

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:44 PM

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different enemies sometimes, true

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but same rooms and same boon rewards

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:45 PM

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I wanted to come back to something you said a bit ago @runic bluff

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I don't think the rail is as weak as you say it is

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With the shotgun upgrade and dio attack, it is in my opinion one of the best melee builds, and with zeus rapid fire, it has extremely high ranged dps

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:45 PM

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the rail is amazing, for as long as you dont push 500% damage, 50% speed, 50% foes and 50% more HP pact

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once you do that and run rail

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Rail was the second easiest for me on 120 heat

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:46 PM

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you really start to feel how underwhelming it is compared to other weapons

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(including sword)

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Sword is the weakest in my opinion, every time you want to deal damage, you put yourself at risk

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:46 PM

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the only thing that rails do better is removing blue hears

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and even than its questionable how much better it performs

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without penetration

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honestly at 120 heat, you're 24/7 at risk anyway

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regardless, because simply you are being swarmed with enemies and attacks

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Not really, at super long distances, rail special is a super safe way of dealing damage

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:47 PM

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but being able to quickly eliminate part of them is more beneficial

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Really depends on playstyle

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:48 PM

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but even going for full special build (considering the odds of seed giving you good boons for special)

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it still takes quite many special hits to take out certain enemies

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:48 PM

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No, don't think full special build is great, although I did get to hydra 25% first try on 120

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:48 PM

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especially in asphodel when ofter enemies are immune to damage

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etc.

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well rail's normal attack is super bad in 120 imho

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so is special attack for that matter

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:49 PM

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Rail's attack becomes decent with zeus, and good with dio

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I would agree that a naked rail is super weak

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But so is a naked sword

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:49 PM

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yeah as far as damage goes the rail attack scales insanely well

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Getting dio quadruples your damage per shot

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and zeus doubles it and gives it aoe

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:50 PM

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i know, but quadruple 10

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aint very impressive

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compared to long range attacks, that can penetrate or deal aoe

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while shielding you from enemy projectiles and attacks

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or straight up one upgrade lets you dash out

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like 5x that damage of a rail

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:51 PM

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I think both shield and bow are better than the rail currently

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:51 PM

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with max Dio stacks

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Shield and Bow are the best possible choices to clear 120 heat honestly

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where Shields can even be considered OP

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:52 PM

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have you finished 120 with all the weapons yet soul?

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:52 PM

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no, I don't even wanna try rail once more

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in 120

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tried so many times and I find it like punishment

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:52 PM

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fair enough

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:52 PM

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I mean when I see rail round

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:52 PM

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I would suggest trying to find the shotgun build, its is one of my fav 120 heat builds

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it is*

runic bluff May 4, 2019, 11:52 PM

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I sometimes pick it up and die on purpose at F1

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just to get other weapon with 10% darkness increase:D

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for whatever reason I feel darkness can be useful at certain point in future

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oh yeah. shotgun rail was fun

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still underwhelming experiance, but definetly better than normal rail

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:53 PM

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so I just tried to reset a run two different ways and got different door choices each time

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:54 PM

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It sucks so much that Zeus boon, only procs once per shotgun shot

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:54 PM

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the first times I hit "give up" from the menu, the next time I straight alt-f4d

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:54 PM

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I was so hyped about that combo, because dio does apply 5 times if you hit all

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:54 PM

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interesting, does the bow special work the same way?

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I know it does with dio but dont think i've done with zeus

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:55 PM

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No idea about zeus bow, never tried to build around it

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except for the special with lightning bolt

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it completely melts groups

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:55 PM

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yeah thats what im talking about

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does it proc for each shot?

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Yes

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It's AWESOME

elfin pulsar May 4, 2019, 11:55 PM

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wow, very weird that would work but the rail wouldn't

lyric folio May 4, 2019, 11:55 PM

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squirtyay

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I believe that next patch, rail will get buffed iirc

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But I don't remember seeing anything about sword

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:00 AM

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bow special is sooo versitile

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have sooo many synergies

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:00 AM

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yeah, bow special applies dio 5 times...

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:00 AM

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and when it penetrates

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it procs on each enemy

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with zeus posseidon etc.

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:00 AM

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or more with 100% more special shots + aphrodite weakness duo boon

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oh yeah

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I really feel that bow special is super underrated

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:01 AM

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yeah, also works good with dio

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however I find zeus being better with it

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dio takes time to melt enemies

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:01 AM

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dio special was my go to 60 heat run

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:01 AM

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I hate bow special, it locks me in place for too long

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:01 AM

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and in 120 heat, you dont have much of that

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(time I mean)

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Never use it

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I don't think I used special once in my 1shot 120 heat run with bow

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:01 AM

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with decent boons, bow specil is devastating

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:02 AM

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I only like it with zeus and athena

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:02 AM

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like OP rail, with much better range and utility

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I like it with posseidon too

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:02 AM

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With rail you can stutterstep though 😮

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:02 AM

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being able to knowout a TON of enemies

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from a TON of distance

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and smash them all together into a wall or lave

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:02 AM

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they really should make the hammer for gun

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:02 AM

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is quite the crowd control

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:02 AM

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that enables you to RUN and gun though

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:03 AM

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especially with decent posseidon boons

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:03 AM

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They mentioned that in the documentary

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They wanted to make you be able to run and gun

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it was the initial design

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but the animations didnt look right

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:03 AM

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on the other hand it's gonna be meh to code and even worse to animate ?

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:03 AM

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run and gun would make rail better

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but in its current state

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:03 AM

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well problem of rail is that...

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Its really underwhelming for "last" wep

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:03 AM

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it doesn't seem to scale well with anything

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attack I mean

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then when Zeus attack was doing something

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it was nerfed to hell because of it LUL

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:04 AM

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rail works good with chain lightning

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probably better than dio

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but yet its shorter range

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:04 AM

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it was nerfed from 40 attack to this state

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:04 AM

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places you in disadventageous possition

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:04 AM

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wait...

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less

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to 5/7/9 ?

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:04 AM

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compared to bow for example

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I think rail either needs "gun and run" rework

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or the hammer upgrade

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for extra 6 ammo and more accurate shots

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being its normal attack

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from the get go

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to make it competitive in 120

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:06 AM

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well...

bold salmon May 5, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Hunter Dash or Deadly Strike?

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:07 AM

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I feel like Cooling Chamber could do with reloading 2 ammo and giving base damage buff for 2 first shots to give incentive for that 2 ammo shots rushes

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Hunter Dash

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if playing bow

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if not

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:07 AM

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also dash attack doesnt at all work with spear and rail

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:07 AM

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it depends

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:07 AM

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and rail can actually do an insanely fast dash attacks in general

bold salmon May 5, 2019, 12:07 AM

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using spear

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:07 AM

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but they simply does not work

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:08 AM

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what is third option ? lol

bold salmon May 5, 2019, 12:08 AM

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upgrade to the b which i dont use much

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:08 AM

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I see

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Attack seems better then I believe

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:08 AM

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dash attack only work with Bow and Sword

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:08 AM

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yeah

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that's ture

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:08 AM

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but shield is strong enough at its current state

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:08 AM

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that's true* sadly

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and Sword seems kinda clunky with its dash attack for me

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:09 AM

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but rail and spear can quite get good boost for 120

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if they were enabled

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nah, once you get used to its "rythm"

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:09 AM

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really I think the game should be balanced around what the vast majority of players will see, I don't know what percentage play 120 but I'd guess its very small

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:09 AM

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dash attacking is quite fast and safe

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:09 AM

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would definitely be down for some of the upgrades to be changed tho

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:10 AM

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its very small BECAUSE weapons are not balanced towards high heat

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but simply balanced towards 0 heat

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or 60 or something

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:10 AM

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im not so sure about that

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most people just aren't interested in spending that much time grinding hard modes

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:10 AM

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if weapons felt a bit stronger

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a LOT more people would play 120

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just to experiance the "hell"

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:10 AM

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120 is also hard as hell with any weapons, most players arent even beating 60

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and you have to beat 60, 65, 70, etc

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:11 AM

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its too hard, that is the problem

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its unfairly hard

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with certain weapons

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while somewhat bearable with some (Shield,Bow)

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yet it feels unfair

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:11 AM

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it seems like it really varies person to person though

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:11 AM

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especially when a couple of boons ruin your otherwise good run

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or you hit a bad chamber

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like Thenatos with 129834712398472309 Brimstones

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:12 AM

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hate thanatos chambers lol

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:12 AM

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or Survival roomo full of lava and witches

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while running rail...

turbid needle May 5, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Speedruners when see Thanatos -> "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:12 AM

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tell me how do rail beat those two

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at 120 heat

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regardless...

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:12 AM

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there are some messed up rooms in asphodel for melee

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like sword vs a bunch of witches over lava

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basically just game over, really the struggle with all melee stuff

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:13 AM

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exactly this is what I mean

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if devs balanced weapons towards 120 Heat

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:13 AM

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IMO those should be fixed before weapon changes, but if people are struggling with rail the most overall it should be changed

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:13 AM

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where 1 room wouldnt necessarily end your entire run

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:14 AM

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yeah but I consider that a problem with level design, not the weapons necessarily

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:14 AM

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more players would be pleased to even try 120 attempt to escape

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currently most players try 120, die in 2-3 rooms

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and give up trying altogether

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because it feel straight up unfair

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:14 AM

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but to play 120 at all you have to beat 110 and such, is that 10 extra heat really that much harder?

forest marsh May 5, 2019, 12:15 AM

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You don't have to beat previous heat levels to try 120

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:15 AM

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well indeed it is

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2 blue hears makes things 2x harder for some weapons

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or reduced darkness limit

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etc..

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some debuffs really doesnt get along well

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:15 AM

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yeah I guess you could farm heat at lower heat levels, is that what you guys did?

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i've been going up it like a ladder lol

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:15 AM

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I farm heat mostly from shop :D:D

forest marsh May 5, 2019, 12:15 AM

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You don't have to use any Heat to get more Heat, if that's what you mean

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I had over 120 Heat before I even tried it the first time

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:16 AM

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I started using heat as soon as I got my 1st 5

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:16 AM

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ah ok, yeah that was silly of me to assume people did it stupid like me

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:16 AM

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and never ran 0 heat since.

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My sweet spot is like 90

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or 70 (when playing rail/spear)

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:16 AM

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i've just been putting all my heat in as I get it really, so not much grinding to do, just struggle

bold salmon May 5, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Ok so trying the dash attack upgrade with bow. Doesnt seem to be working though?

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:20 AM

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it works lol

bold salmon May 5, 2019, 12:20 AM

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more asking is there a certain way to do it

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:20 AM

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dash attack with bow always works

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dash-instantly attack

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power attack

bold salmon May 5, 2019, 12:20 AM

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So itll stay if i wait for a full charge?

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:20 AM

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deals more damage after each and every dash

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yes

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it stays

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:21 AM

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dash attack with bow works great, it even charges faster

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:21 AM

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its how you play bow in general

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dash - attack - dash - attack

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kite enemies around

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especially the fatsos

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:D:D

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yeah, it takes less time to attack with dash attack

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:21 AM

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its possible that its just straight up better dps to dash>shoot than turreting, which seems like a weird design choice, but its a lot of fun

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:21 AM

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than simply staying in place and attacking

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because of animation canceling

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:21 AM

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Just killed Alecto on 120 heat with rail without using death defiance AMA

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😄

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:22 AM

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did you CHEAT?

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:22 AM

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First attempt sir

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wingblNotLikeThis

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:22 AM

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good god

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blood and darkness

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:22 AM

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BLOOD AND THUNDER

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woops wrong game

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:23 AM

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redblood ain't so bad afterall is it? 😄

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:23 AM

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So, has anyone noticed that in Asphodel, all the pillars give gold, but only if you kill them with enemies alive?

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:24 AM

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when using bow, I pretty much always one shot pillars

forest marsh May 5, 2019, 12:24 AM

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I believe it's actually an obol cap per room

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:24 AM

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just because they get in the way of my attacks 😄

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i mean I one shot them with special

forest marsh May 5, 2019, 12:24 AM

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'Cause you can destroy the pillars in the Megagorgon room after you clear the encounter and get Obol out of all of them

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:25 AM

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bow special works amazingly well against strong structures

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Yea, it rips them apart

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:25 AM

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disregard any logics and physics

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:25 AM

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very interesting

forest marsh May 5, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Bow special is my favourite for clearing pillars

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:25 AM

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rail's special works worse against cement

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than couple arrows :D:D

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:26 AM

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that bow is magic as hell, physics has nothing on it

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you guys are making me want to start playing again, but mordhau has wholly consumed my free time

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its a real conundrum

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:26 AM

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you will play again in couple days

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when the new update hits anyway

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:27 AM

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very true

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:27 AM

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so I don't see the conundrum here

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xD

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:27 AM

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trying to get to 120 heat before then basically

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since its gonna get way harder with level 3

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:27 AM

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I've had some 120 clears where I felt like I could keep going np

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:27 AM

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I believe clearing Asphodel and clearing the new Biome will have a completely different counters

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:28 AM

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That would make sense

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:28 AM

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like "Hydra clears" and "whatever clears"

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:28 AM

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but who knows

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:28 AM

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at the endscreen

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:28 AM

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i'd be kinda surprised but its def possible

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:28 AM

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doesnt make sense to display full clear of 100+ for someone who just cleared lv3 for the first time

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id love to see and extra mirror upgrades unlockable at lv3 though

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you know, just to make the 120 heat runs more bearable

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even increasing the cap on current ones would be good enough

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:31 AM

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honestly im totally fine with 120 being hard as it is, since its not mandatory and you can always play higher or lower heat

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tho it should be doable with every weapon for sure

lyric folio May 5, 2019, 12:31 AM

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More options for darkness doesn't matter to me, since I play with 500 max

elfin pulsar May 5, 2019, 12:31 AM

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i'd imagine supergiant has stats on win % for all the weapons, so they'll know if any are straight up bad at any heat

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whether they will change them or not based on that is up in the air tho

runic bluff May 5, 2019, 12:32 AM

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nah, I doubt they have any stats for winrates/cleartimes whatsoever

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since the game requires no connection etc.