I'm glad those are gone, though, they made the game too easy
#h1-builds-and-combat
leaden oriole
amber rover
are there chaos portals in the second half of the first place? (i forget the name sorry it's a something lmao)
forest marsh
Chaos Gates can be found in both Tartarus and Asphodel, if that's what you're asking
amber rover
yes it is thanks, i was wondering if i should switch artifacts from a certain one ( i dont want to spoil) bc i havent seen any portals but ill keep it on and hope for the best
forest marsh
You can talk about the 
here, it's fine
amber rover
idk how i havent found any though, been in asphodel quite a few times
forest marsh
It's just a matter of RNG
amber rover
yeah nbd
hoping for one though
my first time in asphodel i got to the boss actually
mystic hawk
Nice!
amber rover
havent been able to get back since, i got really lucky with my boons and such
forest marsh
You can always goose it by purchasing the Light of Ixion from the Well of Charon
Which forces a Chaos Gate to appear
amber rover
i actually bought one on my first run
and then lucky for me next two didnt allow it to spawn
and the third was the boss
mystic hawk
Dang
forest marsh
Ah, gotcha
amber rover
also, in asphodel, when the crater shaped cracked holes start glowing orange, does that have any effect or just appearance?
forest marsh
Yes, if you stand on them a cloud of smoke will start to obscure the field
amber rover
hmm i did not know that
what artifact u run when u play wight
also do the chaos portals look the same in asphodel?
mystic hawk
They do yeah
amber rover
alright thanks guys
forest marsh
It depends what I'm using for a weapon and how much 
I'm running. I typically start with a god boon (Poseidon, Athena, or Artemis) in Tartarus
Then switch either to another god boon for Asphodel or Skull Earring
I'll use Pierced Butterfly sometimes too
mighty ermine
my first 120 heat clear tonight!! 
https://i.imgur.com/7ydrLLt.jpg
pretty much entirely built around dash powershots! the stars truly aligned
fluid moat
wow and no adc modifier nice
forest marsh
ADC?
atomic panther
What's the C stand for
forest marsh
Oh I see
fluid moat
carries
atomic panther
This is not League of Legends
fluid moat
IE you spec into attack damage and nothing else for your source of DPS
correct
this is hades
unkempt pagoda
congrats!
obtuse tapir
Is the first boss random after some point?
I still don't get how the "murderer" fury's stun works
icy edge
If I recall, she lobs a stun projectile, then proceeds to savage you if you got hit
green birch
Yeah that. Her slash attack damages and stuns you, and if you aren’t on the ball then her dash attack will hit you as well.
The safest way to avoid it is to dash in the direct opposite direction from her. That’s the way to avoid most of her attacks actually, though it gets harder and harder with the shrinking rooms.
lyric folio
Finally beat the hydra on 120 heat, hell yea!
Went with the athena shield, and Dionysus on the special
Forgot to take a screenshot of the endgame screen :((
But here's my pact and mirror
https://imgur.com/a/4dzjEGK
Started with athena keepsake, and switched to skull earring at the halfway point (I faced tisiphone)
It took me pretty much 3 full days of playing, so keep up the hope for anyone trying!
green birch
Ayyy nice
fluid moat
yo nice grats
I closed out my 120 run yesterday too
used a viscious skewer spear, but I'd like to try and clouse out a 120 run on every weapon
mystic hawk
Good luck with that!
fluid moat
thanks! so far I've gotten bow and shield a few times to hydra
obtuse tapir
Is Pierced Butterfly efficient enough? There are about 20 hostile encounters in one run and honestly the percentage doesn't look so high...
atomic panther
I find it useful because it's a very noticeable way to track how well you're doing, and how to improve
obtuse tapir
I felt like it's more like a win more item because if I don't get hit that means I'm really good at dodging and don't need so many attack bonuses
forest marsh
Anything that makes runs go faster is still useful, in my opinion
obtuse tapir
Another question, how do I get legendary/duo boons? I don't see the exact condition...
lost rose
you can see the conditions for getting duo boons on the hades wiki
obtuse tapir
Oh thanks, how about legendary ones?
languid sapphire
Just finished getting a 35 heat win with every weapon! Highest is still 75 heat on bow, but I'll hit 120 some day. XD
ruby hollow
Maybe this has already been discussed, but as much as I like the charmed effect and shatter shot, am I the only one to feel like Aphrodite's weak effect should be reworked to do something else? Litteraly everything in the game like dashes, shield block, Athena's deflect, Erebus challenge, or pierced butterfly encourages and helps you avoiding being hit at all
So a reduction to damage feels kinda useless at least once your own mechanical skills get better which is is almost guaranteed as you play.
ruby hollow
Same goes with the boons that trigger when you get hit
errant narwhal
I don’t feel the same
not everyone has the same skill level, so for some people who get hit a lot no matter how hard they try and don’t have the time to invest in getting super good at not getting hit, weak effects might help them beat the game
or just help them while they’re new to the game, and then they can move on when they’re more confident in their abilities
ruby hollow
You're right. a
Although killing foes fast will always make things easier, so more offensive/active boons are often preferable I think... but then not every one is good at killing fast yes.
And I guess it further ties with super giant's general philosophy of always making difficulty fully customizable
The only issue would be then how random chamber rewards can be even with a keepsake. So how much Aphrodite will help less skilled players advance is kinda tied to luck. Maybe weakness needs to be buffed in duration or intensity then
errant narwhal
It’s already pretty strong imo
but is reward randomness an issue or a feature? :>
lost rose
Reward randomness is kinda a main feature of roguelike and roguelite games...procedural generation and all that
ruby hollow
Yeah I know but that does mean that less skilled players wont be able to fully rely on aphro at times, although any other augments is bound to make a run easier
Welp I guess there's no real problem with Aphro boons if thats their inteded use then. I guess Im just too hellbent on dodging everything and restarting a run because I got hit with pierced butterlfy in Tartarus.
Whats your win ratio btw? I have like 12/170 of succesful runs x) Maybe I do need Aphro in the end
lost rose
I've suicided a lot of runs because I was testing something or trying to get specific things so i can't say with any accuracy what my ratio would be...
plush blaze
A lot of runs I do I give up after hydra so the run isn't saved
placid plinth
Just finished one extremely weird "reversed" run. Rapid Shot Bow + Dio on attack + Athena on Special. Well, also plus Deadly Reversal, but it played surprisingly little role
Usually it's other way round, Athena (or somebody else +%) on Attack and Dio on Special (because Dio on bow special, especially on Relentless/Piercing is insane)
But this turned out to be surprisingly viable. Well, after a ton of poms tho
I rarely use rapid shot, just decided to try something different
But normal way is still better, I think, because of how Dio scales on Special vs. attack
sly panther
I am so bad at using the bow special. When you have Blight Wine on it, or uh, just in general, do you get up close to shotgun enemies, or spray from afar and hope arrows hit?
placid plinth
It's situational, but in general, IMO it's better to do it at medium distance. Though sometimes you can make a close shot if you turned out to be in good position for it
Even unupgraded, special should hit anything larger than a numbskull
rich isle
Can I post Victory screen image here or should I just put on spoiler??
I just had my most broken run so far
placid plinth
I think you can post spoilers without spoiler warnings here
rich isle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364362178289205261/569531687512571924/unknown.png I saw some similar posts so I'll just go for it hahaha (are artemis boons OP right now or it just depends on your build?)
1060 damage on crit
placid plinth
I think in general Artemis is OP, she has good primary boons and best secondary boons compared to other gods
ruby hollow
Wait but doesnt sword dash attack override world splitter chop since its a lunge?
fluid moat
you are correct
the dash attack overides the chop
deals less damage
but he has enough other stuff I think to make it work 😂
ruby hollow
Yeah x)
fluid moat
I've been playing around with world splitter and it is more fun since they lowered the overall damage given from primary attack boons accross the board
ruby hollow
Aw I barely touched it I should try. Whenever I use the sword I try to get blade flury and deadly reversal and ora ora my way to the hydra
mystic hawk
Aw heck man 7 coins away from a death defy dang
sly panther
Woo, just got the 60 heat skelly statue! Flurry Jab with Divine Strike carried me a long way.
unkempt pagoda
first sub-15 min run! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187458596559257600/569663743361810442/Hades_00009.png
lost rose
woo!
forest marsh
Nice! You beat out my best time by about 3 seconds (though that's with bow, not spear)
plush blaze
Grats onyx!
maiden apex
nice job
fluid moat
nice gg
placid plinth
I posted feedback about charmed enemies and now think - do charmed enemies even deal damage to each other? I can't actually remember seeing it
lost rose
they do, but the ai is a little weird for sure
median ridge
my favorite is when charmed enemies just decide to stand in lava
lost rose
i mean lets be real what's most important is they're not hitting you
sly panther
I wish charmed floating enemies didn't run way out over the lava if they can't find an enemy to attack, it'd be nice to use charm on the Gorgon miniboss to stop her from attacking without her running and hiding behind rocks for the duration
obtuse tapir
I feel that getting a hammer is very critical for a successful run. It can empower an ability which is already empowered by a boon, making it really strong.
What do you think?
plush blaze
Yeah not getting a hammer in tartarus is really annoying
obtuse tapir
Whenever I get a boon + hammer + chaos for one ability I feel like I'll never lack DPS for the rest of the run
placid plinth
I think I should try to do something other than clearing Hydra on 0 heat again and again
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placid plinth
Tried 60 Heat run, reached Asphodel, lost 2 DDs on first room and died on second
You know, I'd rather keep playing zero heat 😄
lost rose
then do that! no pressure!
placid plinth
Goodbye 27 streak tho
green birch
Play 👏 the 👏 way 👏 you 👏 find 👏 most 👏 fun
tight depot
Well, it has happened on the last run of the night.. I have made it to the Hydra. Didn't win, but I got there which has to count for something, right?
placid plinth
I'm actually thinking to stop playing until the update. Though, I'm thinking that for a while but still keep coming back to Hades 😄
green birch
Yes getting there is the first step to winning!
icy edge
I used to laugh at people who died on murderboat...
Then I tried murderboat at 500% damage.
Without Athena or Poseidon Shield, there's no way
And I dont want to spear cheese
obtuse tapir
Is there any good guide for a high heat run?
I've been trying 60 these days and it does not look too difficult with good enough RNG for me (haven't actually beaten it yet)
But 120 seems a bit crazy
Choosing +500% damage seems inevitable (the remaining ones like no heal seem too ridiculous) and like what am I supposed to do if one hit from alecto means 78 damage
lost rose
My current setup is +150% damage with extra dumped into Whipped Frenzy
It ain't great but its not....impossible
I did some streams yesterday if you wanna see what it's like
there are a handful of runners who do 120 heat regularly, like curl
icy edge
@opaque merlin Literally lost my first 60heat hydra battle due to one of those 'one-inch-punch' hydra head attacks.
opaque merlin
:o
plucky oxide
On the hydra Feedback: The hydra head always hisses/opens its mouth before it strikes. There is a tell. The window, lack of movement by the hydra, and small wind up are what bother me most, I think. That, or maybe the fact that the 'lunge' part of his attack seems to immediately be hurt-frames. This lack of windup and visibility for me as a player, means that the majority of the damage I take from Hydra is a result of this tackle. I know i just have to get good and dash away from the hissing hydras, but often there 'I can attack him with the strike' AI seems to pop up when I get near the hydra. This is frustrating, (and cool design) mostly because Hydra final multi heads stage becomes a lot about creating space for yourself to stand without having to constantly be kiting.
Basically, I don't mind if they change the hydra tackle to make it more readily visible. In my experience, the hydra strike is what makes the fight as intensive as it is (during the multi-head phase).
fluid moat
I can type something up around my thoughts on 120 heat runs if you'd like
I don't have a time to make a full blown guide, but I can at least type up the theory behind probability of being able to finish a run, and things to do to increase that chance
forest marsh
I wonder if there might be a place to be made for things like that on the wiki
fluid moat
I might make some community resources at some point, right now I have too many other projects 😂
hope that is helpful, I had to rush some of the sections or just try to make certain ideas more brief/concise to get to the overall build
forest marsh
Was messing around with 120 for a bit, but it was depressing so I scaled it down to 60 and got my second 60 win, this time with Spear. Vicious Skewer - Athena builds are broke AF right now 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553141358903164941/570495532108349451/Hades_00276.png
forest marsh
Like, it's not even funny how easy it makes 60
lost rose
i may try to do some more 120 runs tonight using the guide muffin posted
idk about the whole "not getting hit" thing though, that generally doesn't work out well for me kjdfgdf
forest marsh
To be fair I'm also playing with my easy-mode 60 setup. Just max Stifling, Convenience, and Shared Misery if memory serves
lost rose
especially with whipped frenzy turned on
obtuse tapir
Not getting hit seems really difficult
I can be careful with normal encounters and do kiting
But against Alecto 🤔
And the hydra heads are a mess
forest marsh
I also have a hard time not getting hit on 120
I don't think I've yet made it past the Furies on 120 
lost rose
I have, once or twice, but only when it's Meg
wight saw, i got really close to taking tisiphone out the other day
forest marsh
It's such a treat getting Meg now... I remember the days when I struggled mightily with her
Oh, it was so close!
obtuse tapir
Maybe I should practice more since I don't know how to dodge the main head projectiles in phase 2+
But still it seems really hard
lost rose
i honestly don't think i need any extra darkness; i'd rather take the healing i can get and lose darkness
forest marsh
I was strimming my attempts tonight, though I wasn't super focused and was playing like hot garbage. Part of why I scaled down to 60 "just to have some fun" 
Who am I becoming 
I did one run at no heat, too, and it was a cake walk even though I was playing poorly
To be fair, that's with maxed mirror
It's funny to see how far I've come with the game
So if anyone is having trouble, just keep trying 
lost rose
yeah i can play through no heat with one hand behind my back at this point, practically
now i may actually try trading tenebrous veil for more damage....tenebrous veil is just, really punishing
forest marsh
The real challenge for me will be doing the 60 runs with the weapons I'm less fond of (meaning anything but bow and spear)
I might focus on that before I try 120 some more
forest marsh
Did you get your game updated, ven? 
obtuse tapir
Even with 3 choices I sometimes get into troubles
lost rose
i did gkjdfghfd
obtuse tapir
Especially with Chaos
lost rose
not that it makes, like, any difference outside of making vicious skewer worse
obtuse tapir
2 of the choices offer somethung useless and the remaining one gives penalty for my main DPS skill for example
forest marsh
I used Aphrodite's Wrath a few times today. I'd used it before and liked it well enough, but with the increased duration and multiple hits it's actually really powerful now
lost rose
i've been using shield for bug testing!
it's fun surprisingly
i hadn't touched it since early builds
it's gotten a lot better
obtuse tapir
My main DPS is usually bull rush
forest marsh
I know that shield is technically quite strong, but I'm just so bad at it
obtuse tapir
It does defense and offense at the same time
forest marsh
I should give it another try though, I haven't played with it much over the last few updates
obtuse tapir
And the hydra becomes a cakewalk if there are no sub-heads remaining
Plus bull rush can hit two heads at once if they are close enough
Effectively doubling the DPS
opaque merlin
The shield is the only weapon with which I can consistently complete runs at 60 heat. It's also the one weapon where I'm excited to get an Ares attack boon, since you can time your Rushes to reapply the curse just as it activates
pastel jolt
ares curse used to be the perfect timing for worldsplitter until they made the curse take longer to go off
opaque merlin
I feel like the real benefit of worldsplitter is that it frees you to not care about regular attack boons (except maybe Artemis), since nothing else meaningfully moves the needle in terms of damage output after the built-in 300%
lost rose
WOOOO
@fluid moat thanks for the 120 heat guide!!! Got it in one
i changed up your suggestions a little bit - I turned stifling darkness up, didn't really feel like i needed the extra 500 you had built in, and used the bonus heat from that to take a little off the top of, like, enemies having extra health. also reduced whipped frenzy to 0
obtuse tapir
Congratulations! Did you bring Cerberus's gift with you?
lost rose
nope!
I started with athena's keepsake, and switched to skull earring halfway through
that athena keepsake really made it tbh, i got an epic rarity athena special boon right off the bat
fluid moat
Yeah that’s a solid decision for the switch up, grats!!
lost rose
fluid moat
Only reason I have whipped up to +15% is I play a good amount with it higher for fun hahaha
lost rose
that's valid, i kind of hate it haha
shocking how much easier it is to not get hit when you have whipped frenzy turned off + your choice of boons
i was skeptical at first
tight depot
Yeaaaaaaah! I just killed the Hydra for the first time
lost rose
congrats!!!
neat echo
Hey! How many wordls there are in Hades at this moment? Just 2, right?
The "snake" is the final boss?
Worlds*, sorry
forest marsh
Congrats ven!
lost rose
:3c
forest marsh
Maybe I'll try cheesing a 120 run with the spear... I've been mostly trying with bow
lost rose
I got it on stream so you can see for yourself what it was like
disregard any bad words you hear, i'm sure it's your imagination 😂
forest marsh
Watched your run, ven, that was almost flawless! Perfect combination of boons and upgrades, and you played really well. I think you took less than 6 hits or something the entire run
lost rose
I took a cluster of hits from Alecto's blade rift but if we count that as 1, then, i think it was four total, haha
That lout in the beginning had me like oh this is gonna be rough and then it just, wasn't
thanatos would be proud
grand patrol
im proud of you
grand patrol
well its better than 
lost rose
OK YEAH
icy edge
It's so frustrating to have pride and favor maxed, then decide NOT to take a god trinket, and get stuck picking among 3 commons
Like... did I not break the Hydra's neck(s) a dozen times, have I not earned your respect?
opaque merlin
I'm not usually a big fan of the Rail, because it's so slow, but holy crap did I have a blast playing a run with shotgun hammer upgrade, Artemis attack, and Artemis dash. That was zippy and dynamic as hell
sly panther
Wow, I did not realize how much slide there was on the first sword slash, probably because I dash too much. It barely slows you down at all, it's like you can attack and move at the same time. I'm gonna try using that weapon a lot more, and get used to normal running and break my chain dash habit, haha.
plucky oxide
^ Poke game on Sword + Ares curse might not be the biggest damage in the world, but it sure is fun.
sly panther
I love Curse builds, definitely going to try that.
fluid moat
just finished the 120 on shield, 2 down 3 to go 👌
https://imgur.com/G29K9J6
toxic acorn
do people actually do 500% damage and 0% healing together for 120 heat? that's brutal.
toxic acorn
heck
forest marsh
Honestly, compared to some of the other potential 120 combinations, that's not that bad
toxic acorn
i've done 60 heat and 50 heat somewhat often but i suppose the way you play the game has to change when you raise it to 120
interesting
fluid moat
I posted a pastebin up above about the concept of going no heal 500% damage
it's how i've finished 2 of them so far
ven had a nice adjustment of sacrificing more darkness to just remove all frenzy
lost rose
honestly full stifling darkness isn't super punishing
but with the 500% damage, the extra death defies are kinda a necessity
fluid moat
I would not attempt any 120 runs without quick reflexes +2
but yeah the other components beyond that and death defiance are pretty mutable
the extra health is good because it buys you an extra hit or two
depending on boons + health pickups
forest marsh
I think it's even more important to take Infernal Gates on high heat with how "poorly" they scale with progress
That is, they stay pretty easy
Doubly so if it's a 
fluid moat
the gates are nice early for sure for the extra selection of a room choice at the end
and increased difficulty rating, increasing probability of a better drop
forest marsh
The nice thing is if you take one in Asphodel, you're still fighting Tartarus enemies
tight depot
Is there a particular place for me to post bugs or do I just talk about them here?
lost rose
Use F10 to report bugs
forest marsh
F10 in the game, if that wasn't apparent
tight depot
lol thanks
placid plinth
I like how that document is all like "Just don't get hit!"
lost rose
(hypnos voice)
forest marsh
It sounds trolly and "git-gud" but that is literally the required course
lost rose
yeah i actually had a lot less trouble getting hit this way than with, like, whipped frenzy turned up + the death defies
for the enemies
that fraction of second you have to spend whittling down enemy death defies is really actually life or death
placid plinth
I probably won't try 120 (or maybe even 60), because I suck at action games 😄
forest marsh
Give it time. I didn't think I would do 60 ever either for the longest time
lost rose
i thought 60 would be a lot harder than it ended up being
obtuse tapir
I also just got my first 120 heat victory!!!! Thanks for the guide CovertMuffin and venhe-death!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569053022123196416/570957272780636171/Hades_00022.png
Athena Special + Vicious Skewer just demolished everything
one throw and return dealt about 280 damage
I was really concerned about the main head phase 2+ projectiles but it didn't even have time to launch them
lost rose
yeah, lol
and the athena special takes care of the wave heads
obtuse tapir
I had to retry several times to get the combination I wanted but in the end I did it
pastel jolt
man, i'm gonna have to try this out too aren't i
obtuse tapir
I'm not sure about what to do next
maybe I can try beating the game with each weapon but there will be an update soon and the record won't have much meaning
plush blaze
grats!
pastel jolt
i'm gonna do it lads. i'm gonna try 120 heat.
atomic panther
We'll remember you fondly
lost rose
YOU CAN DO IT SPARROW!!
pastel jolt
OH GOD SKELEBOMBER ROOM
atomic panther
It was nice knowing you
pastel jolt
......i didn't get hit once
lost rose
👏 👏
pastel jolt
i'm kinda annoyed that i've gotten three athena boons so far but the special she gave me first was regular rarity
i just lost three death defies in a single room to the same lout
i really, really hate louts
i went from having five death defies to none :)
atomic panther
Ouch
pastel jolt
made it past tisiphone at least
so far what i'm learning is that you do not have as long to dodge them as you might think
obtuse tapir
The biggest problem I had was offscreen projectiles
pastel jolt
made it to the murderboat and died because of shielded waveflingers :')
mighty ermine
oh no
pastel jolt
i'm gonna try taking some darkness out of boiling blood and up shadow presence a bit more
pastel jolt
although i'm trading 30% from bb for only an extra 10% from sp :/
obtuse tapir
Yeah I also put zero shadow in boiling blood
basically shadow presence is better in a spear run because the main DPS come from Vicious Skewer
mighty ermine
on my 120 run i just, tried my darnedest to avoid murderboat entirely and got lucky and didn't have to do it
obtuse tapir
and also I'm very poor at remembering that cast exists
pastel jolt
>:3c
atomic panther
Gg
atomic panther
F
pastel jolt
it's fine, game, i-it's not like my strategy is based around it or anything :')
mighty ermine
second 120 clear!! bow and spear ✅ https://i.imgur.com/hV8cdc4.jpg
pastel jolt
see, now why can't the game give me that luck
i got deadly reversal and epic spear special from athena and still died
mighty ermine
i honestly thought at first that the run was dead from the third room or so when i wasted a DD from a lout hitting me
decided to keep going for the hell of it and, glad I did, whew
autumn tapir
I just discovered that I can move while reloading the Rail
how did I not know this
lost rose
it was added...not recently, but it wasn't a basic feature of the rail
then lots of people complained 😂
plucky oxide
I feel like they bumped up rail's maximum ammo as well?
forest marsh
No, I don't think they did
plucky oxide
Shotgun has had its ammo changed
plucky oxide
It used to be dash-attack-attack. Dash-attack-attack. Stand still to reload.
Now it's like.... you get another full dash-attack-attack out of it before you have to reload, I feel.
Base shotgun at launch had a smaller ammo cap, I feel. Then they buffed ammo cap for it, in addition to letting you run around for reloading, and it had me going 🤔 did we need both of these tunings?
forest marsh
Shotgun used to be the full ammo cap and then got lowered
autumn tapir
no wait didn't shotgun only have 2 shots
forest marsh
I just mean in regards to the number of projectiles
plucky oxide
Oh yeah. I'm talking about the number at the bottom of your screen. The ammo cap.
forest marsh
It was 2 "ammo" but 10 projectiles
Now it's 5 projectiles
Er, I've been saying 10 but the cap is 12 (you can tell how often I use AR lately)
base
plucky oxide
Ahhhh.
forest marsh
Old shotgun was a 10-shot spread, though
Looking through my old screenshots, can confirm that AR has always had base 12 ammo
plucky oxide
If old shotgun had the reload walking-around mechanic that'd be fun. The burst was too strong, but I really didn't mind the constant reload. Personally I think you should have to reload with shotgun more than its current form, even if it gives you less projectiles overall. The burst has way more potential in comparison to a consistent dps that requires you to stand still, from my perspective. But I'm also over-valuing Artemis here.
forest marsh
The shotgun is pretty strong even with the reduced 5-shot spread. Honestly with the old 10-shot spread it was ridiculous since you could double-tap for 20 projectiles almost instantly
plucky oxide
Yeah. I agree 100%. I think a two tap shotgun with the current 5-shot spread is what I'd like to see overall, maybe with a dynamic spread range based on curse location (but that's asking for too much).
It's just so dang strong, but not safe enough in comparison to other upgrades.
forest marsh
I for one am against cursor location based gameplay, but I'm biased 'cause I use gamepad
plucky oxide
Ahhhh, yeah. Fair and valid. It's a mechanic I really like to see in games, but I can understand not wanting to split the gap, so to speak.
forest marsh
They already do it enough with the AR special and Dio cast, which is why I generally avoid those two things
plucky oxide
Yeahhhh. I'd personally like to see a few 'quick cast' functionalities, which the player could set in settings. "Always target bosses, always target last enemy hit, always target myself". Trading out precision for quick, but not as versatile, constants, when the button is held for extended time.
But that's just making a feature more complicated than it has any right to be, and very back-end
forest marsh
Yeah, there's no easy answer for it, unfortunately
So much of the positioning of the lobbed attacks isn't even based directly on an enemy anyways, but rather where they will be
As it is, you can manually aim with the stick but it's too slow to be fluid with the gameplay. Otherwise it just snaps to an enemy with autoaim
plucky oxide
The slower pace of transistor really allowed me to play it on my controller without feeling like I was giving up anything.
Sadly I can't say the same for Hades
forest marsh
Controller has done well for me, discounting the aforementioned ranged AoE attacks
lime ingot
sly panther
Yeah, it does. You get the "Is there no Escape?" message and the congratulations text box when you respawn.
You might be able to die between when the hydra dies and when the successful run text shows up, I'm not sure what happens then
pastel jolt
it occurs to me that if i ever do complete 120 heat, the game might still only give me the 60 heat reward
i should probably do 60 first just to make sure that doesn't happen,,
forest marsh
Hmmmm, I don't think it would mess up like that, but can't say for sure of course
pastel jolt
it's good practice anyway
pastel jolt
aaaugh
why is it whenever i'm specifically aiming for the vicious launcher athena build, i'll never get both halves at the same time
pastel jolt
first time at hydra on 60 heat
nevermind, wave heads obliterated me :)
because who doesn't love being oneshot from a projectile you literally cannot react fast enough to dodge
forest marsh
Oh geez, you're much braver on 60 than I
pastel jolt
i'll probably change it around since whatever i'm doing clearly isn't working
forest marsh
I just did max Stifling, Convenience, and Shared Misery for my 2 successful runs
pastel jolt
if it wasn't for the wave heads i would probably have had that hydra kill
forest marsh
I tried a lot of other combos first, but they were just too punishing
pastel jolt
it just infuriated me that they speed up as they move
no other projectile in the game does that, and it means that by the time you've registered the pink blur on your screen, it's moving at hyperspeed and you don't have a chance of dodging
i'd wager all my deaths in asphodel on heat runs have come from wavey mcwavefaces
forest marsh
They can be rough, for sure. 500% damage isn't doing any favours for that, though
I liked my setup 'cause it doesn't make anything mechanically harder, really
obsidian sky
When someting says X Encounter(s) does it mean that kill X enemies or does it mean X rooms?
unkempt pagoda
i'm pretty sure it means rooms with enemies in it (i think bosses count)
so regular rooms, survival rooms, and boss rooms count, but not, say, a fountain
pastel jolt
an encounter is a room with combat in it.
a chamber is any room.
so charon's shop is a chamber, but it isn't classed as an encounter for things like well items or chaos curses
pastel jolt
i'm SO MAD that urge to kill doesn't cover special
plush blaze
yeah 😦
pastel jolt
i'm at hydra again
+177% special damage with vicious skewer and one death defy left
god DAMNIT
IT'S THE WAVE HEADS
i thought i knew how to dodge them but apparently NOT
elfin pulsar
this game is sweeeet
i've gone from thinking tons of enemies in asphodel especially are real cheap to thinking this game has some of the best enemy design of any rogue-lite
haven't unlocked the heat attack speed increase yet but im amazed at how fair everything is, wholly prepared for that to change with that maxed tho
forest marsh
I can usually manage to deflect the waves if I'm running Athena, provided I'm not caught completely unaware. Tough without Athena, though, for sure
elfin pulsar
you can just dash through them right?
forest marsh
I think they might be tweaking the waves in the update, based on their feedback reactions. We'll see how that goes
elfin pulsar
how does i-frames on the dash work anyways? it seems weirdly inconsistent for me
forest marsh
You can dash through waves if your timing is right, yes
elfin pulsar
do you guys like playing with tenebrous veil? I feel like reducing boon choices takes away a lot of fun
forest marsh
It's one of the hardest Pacts to run
elfin pulsar
do any of the pacts stand out to you as being easier? I still have about half of them locked, not sure what to get next
forest marsh
For 60 heat I run maxed Stifling Darkness, Convenience Fee, and Shared Misery. Your mileage may vary
unkempt pagoda
as you progress in skill, you should be getting hit less, so the consequences of grim inevitability, vicious torment, and shared misery matter less
ofc, this isn't applicable to everybody, so take whatever pacts conform to your style
(i believe shared misery increases the number of waves of enemies, not how many enemies spawn in each wave, which is why i included it)
(i could be wrong, ofc)
elfin pulsar
yeah it seems like actually watching and learning the movesets of enemies makes avoiding way easier, feels more like a souls game than a bullet hell
unkempt pagoda
personally, i like having all of my darkness and cheap shops, so i don't take stifling darkness or convenience fee
elfin pulsar
my main concern is the attack speed thing making it hard to react
unkempt pagoda
but some play well without them and put heat into them
i think whipped frenzy is just plain one of the worst pacts to take, because it makes pattern recognition harder, to almost unfair levels
+15% whipped frenzy on alecto is a run killer
elfin pulsar
i've just started running into her, she is quite the difficulty spike from her sisters
unkempt pagoda
yeah, she's the hardest out of the sisters
mainly because of how much damage she does and how fast it all is
forest marsh
I realize it's probably just my playstyle, but I find Tissy harder than Alecto
elfin pulsar
i've only fought her once but she seemed quite easy, her attacks were all real slow or just kinda missed
though the room got quite small by the end, probably a nightmare with low dps
autumn tapir
Alecto's hard until you learn to stop hitting her when she's almost at full Rage
tiny sky
Finally got my 120!
tiny sky
Pretty much maxed in everything except fated authority
Spear, with mostly athena buffs, got pretty lucky with her rare special and epic wrath
Pact is 0 stifle, 0 veil, 15% whipped, 45% tolerance, max everything else
It might be slightly easier to put 1 in veil to go 5% whipped 40% tolerance, though
forest marsh
Hmmm, that's an interesting setup. Must be nice having all the Darkness
I need to make some more attempts at 120 soon
tiny sky
Eh, I don't think its all that important
You can hit insane damage levels with the spear, so health doesnt matter too much
tiny sky
epic boons are nice 😃
At least if youre going an athena focused build, the difference between getting a normal wrath and an epic wrath is like 4 seconds of invincible deflection\
forest marsh
Yeah, 3 seconds or whatever Common is set at is just so short
tiny sky
With 7 or 8 seconds, you can kill 2 hydra heads
Plus, it makes timed rooms significantly easier
cursive terrace
yo, I have a confession to make
I started playing Hades as a pirated game, "third world" citizen, not much access to credit cards
Then I saw the other stuffs, figured this was a company at least worth supporting, then pested my sister abroad to pay for the early access 10 dollars
Love the game, provides an outlet for simple gaming for 1/2 hours after a rough day
thing is, can't be playing the s**t for the last week
cause of EPIC log-in
they won't take the right password and they won't let me retry
I know Epic is good for the developers and I figure developers have a greater say on how things go on in there
just very very annoyed
forest marsh
I'm glad you ended up supporting the game legitimately in the end! There's not much we can do here about your Epic login, but you can still launch the game directly from Hades.exe for the time being. The only limitation is you won't be able to get updates until you fix your login
cursive terrace
and maybe regretting getting out of the pirate ship a but
austere pebble
You don't have to launch the epic launcher to play hades if you have it installed iirc
austere pebble
not what I'm saying
forest marsh
Not from the launcher, from Hades.exe itself
austere pebble
Exactly.
forest marsh
Assuming default install path, go to C:\Program Files\Epic Games\Hades\x64\Hades.exe
cursive terrace
Thank you
austere pebble
This will let you keep on the hades train while you contact epic or whatever you need to do to resolve the login issues in time for the next update to drop 😃
warm totem
Excuse me, how do I post on feedback channel?
forest marsh
Instructions are in the pinned post in #hades-feedback
forest marsh
It's locked for anyone who hasn't completed the instructions for posting
warm totem
Aha
forest marsh
All you have to do is read the pinned post(s) and follow the instructions given in the rules for posting feedback
warm totem
English isn't my first language so I'm sloppy. Thank you.
forest marsh
No worries, glad you figured it out
elfin pulsar
do you guys think the cooling round upgrade for the rail is any good? restores 2 ammo on dash
got it to test it but it seems pretty awful, considering you can reload while shooting the special
or even better, just cancel the reload with a dash
median ridge
i love that upgrade. it's a bit redundant with the infinity chamber but it encourages a specific playstyle that i enjoy
elfin pulsar
does it have any upside over just hitting reload before you dash?
placid plinth
I said in feedback that Cooling Chamber is kinda useless, developers marked it with ✅ so we can expect some changes pretty soon
icy edge
Sword has a bad reputation, but it's actually quite powerful on most gods
primal folio
going in on the hydra for the first time in a while and i got such a nice crit build
sword does have a bad reputation but it really can get suped up really fast if you get some good upgrades
and I got a new record!!
forest marsh
Congrats!
primal folio
cleared it in 13:54
i only lost one defiance on the fight too
it was my first run in a while and I just wanted to brush some dust off cause the new update's coming soon
elfin pulsar
empowering nova seems completely insane to me, i've won every (2) runs with it
no luck with the sword otherwise but the single hit combo upgrade seems nasty too
primal folio
oh yeah empowering nova is incredibly strong
especially considering that other auto crit abilities were removed like the Artemis dash that just makes it more unique
forest marsh
Anything that guarantees crit is super strong
atomic panther
Did someone mention World Splitter?
forest marsh
The high priest has been summoned
elfin pulsar
raze-boar like world splitter?
atomic panther
Ilharg is prophesied to come at the end of civilization, and crush the remainders of society to rubble
I'd say World Splitter fits him pretty well
elfin pulsar
most definitely
will never forgive wotc for how dastardly dirty they did him in the novel
atomic panther
I haven't read it yet shhh
elfin pulsar
im very back and forth on whether I should save you the disappointment now
atomic panther
Oh, I'm going to read it either way
elfin pulsar
about illhrag, books fine
atomic panther
But please don't spoil it
elfin pulsar
👌 will stick to world splitting dead people
atomic panther
👍 🐗
elfin pulsar
at the end of the day, I'm super bummed at how the lore rollout for WAR happened and I'm glad supergiant is here to save me with good storytelling and shockingly good gameplay
elfin pulsar
so how does acquiring legendary boons work? I saw the reddit thread and couldn't really make sense of it, I have a dash boon from ares along with black metal and I didn't get his legendary, but I'm pretty sure i've gotten them my very first time visiting a god in a run
forest marsh
The prereqs are all listed on the wiki, if that's easier for you. Just check the page for each god
The link is in the pinned messages for this channel
elfin pulsar
so even having the pre-req boon is it not guaranteed?
oh wait, I think I see what im missing
forest marsh
The pre-reqs just allow the Legendaries to be in the pool of boons, but they are not guaranteed, no
elfin pulsar
ah ok
forest marsh
It just means once you have the pre-reqs that you have a chance to get the Legendary
I don't know what the drop percentage is, though
elfin pulsar
thats brutal, for ares it looks like you need two different, kinda specific boons before you even get a chance to see it
forest marsh
Yeah... Dio I think is the hardest to get currently
elfin pulsar
when do you think dio is worth choosing over other gods? he seems pretty meh, and casts that dont stick seem real bad
tho his feels better than ares
sly panther
I'm not a fan of his cast but I like the blight wine a lot on appropriate weapons... rapid fire hammer mod on shield special got me to the hydra the first time on 120.
elfin pulsar
that makes sense, one of the only times I picked it was special on bow, and that was actually pretty nice since it'd apply 3-4 stacks at once
kinda like a poor mans zeus lol
sly panther
Whatever the mod that makes the rail shoot 5 shots is amazing with it since one click maxes the poison
Rail in general is pretty good with blight wine
elfin pulsar
what are your thoughts on rail in general? I saw some people on reddit saying it was the weakest weapon but its felt pretty great to me
sly panther
I don't like it 'cause I play gamepad, which makes the special really awkward to use
elfin pulsar
ahhh I see
sly panther
It's my least favorite but I've had good runs with it. Usually with an early hammer, the infinity chamber/pierce/shotgun mods are game changers
elfin pulsar
it seems like it has a ton of good hammer upgrades
the cluster grenade seems pretty great too, though maybe its too risky at higher damage
the point black 5 stack just really hits
sly panther
Not sure I've taken that one yet, will have to give it a try
pastel jolt
just for the record, so far as i’m aware the chance of seeing a legendary boon once you’re eligible for it is 30%
assuming i read it right
upbeat junco
I was thinking of trying out some gun runs, what do you think are some good builds for it?
median ridge
dionysus and zeus are really good for attack-based build especially
upbeat junco
ok thanks ill try em out
obtuse tapir
How do you consistently avoid the hydra's phase 2+ projectiles?
I always try but I can't really avoid getting hit by at least one
So that's usually the timing where I decide to become impervious with whatever wrath I have
The only time I got the +500% damage victory was when I had too much damage (DPS over 350) and the hydra didn't even have time to launch these
fluid moat
if it's during when the 4/6 mini hydras appear, you want to create a place where you can dodge them by destroying 1-2 heads, then you can use the rocks to maneuver between to dodge them
if it's when the big hydra head is by itself, after it aims the facing direction of the shots, you can dash to the opposite side of the head and the shots will just miss
possitioning does help a lot, so if you can in a normal run, try different things (like leave a few heads alive and try to dodge it)
you'll find a rhythym and general placement that works well for you
also for a quick resource
you could check out the #self-promotion channel for a 120 heat runner
I'm guessing they would have highlighted the videos of successful runs
to see how they navigate the boss fight
lost rose
^^^ Like he said, I generally try to melt one of the heads really quickly and then use the spot it was in to take care of the others.
obtuse tapir
Great!
lost rose
Having an athena boon is also very, very helpful lol
especially with the wave heads, which can get pretty dicey (though if the feedback channel is anything to go by, that'll be changing)
obtuse tapir
Yeah I like Athena so much
Basically any ranged attack becomes much much better with her boon
lost rose
except the gun lol
obtuse tapir
And I think her wrath is the best among the wraths
lost rose
also when they shrunk the hitbox on the bow attack, it nerfed its deflect potential pretty badly
obtuse tapir
hers is the only one that lets me deal damage normally while making me impervious
lost rose
I've become too reliant on bow and spear...I don't think I even have a hydra clear on normal difficulty with the shield, which is just sad. I should try to do that sometime
obtuse tapir
You can use the shield like a worse version of the spear or the bow if you happen to get a special upgrade from a hammer and decides to use it as the main damage source.
Usually it's better to use Bull Rush as the main damage source from my 0 heat experience
it's a bit riskier though, since that's less of a ranged attack and is susceptible to hydra stomps
vale perch
abuse blocking, shield blocking is just too good
obtuse tapir
What's the difference between an infernal gate boon and a normal boon from a difficult (skull-marked) encounter?
For poms and hearts the difference is quite obvious but I can't see the difference in this case
fluid moat
The little skull symbol just means the difficulty rating of the room is increased; this effects the type of enemies and/or number that can spawn
elfin pulsar
dont know if the skull or infernal gate increases boon rarity, but they definitely increase other stuff
forest marsh
Infernal Gate does increase the rarity, yes
pastel jolt
gate poms boost the rarity of the boon as well as doing the pom boost
the exact value of which sometimes changes from one boon to another
elfin pulsar
damn thanatos is cheap
he doesnt care about extra health or their armor
also is the explosive launcher upgrade for the spear actually a downgrade? it seems like it cannot backstab
pastel jolt
he's death incarnate and you think some piddly armour is gonna stop him doin his job??
elfin pulsar
fair enough, I would have been pretty disappointed if he wasn't a badass like this
lyric folio
Are you not allowed to post screenshots here anymore?
I just finished my second 120 heat run and I want to share 😃
pastel jolt
you've gotta upload it somewhere and post a link, that's what people usually do
lyric folio
Ah, alrighty!
Second weapon completed with 120 heat! Literally twice as fast as athena shield!
I feel like Dionysus could use a nerf though
pastel jolt
god, i'm jealous.
the closest i've gotten is reaching hydra on 60 heat and the getting obliterated by wave heads
lyric folio
Yea, there is some rng involved
If you get alecto, murder boat, or unlucky heads
you are in trouble
although I can say with pride, that in this run, I killed alecto on 120 without losing any death defiance for the first time ever
And I had 2 wave heads in the last 6 heads
I feel like mirror and pact distribution are super important though
I can think of 90 heat pacts that are scarier than some 120 heat builds
I wanted to prove to myself I could beat 120 heat
And when I did it the first time
I was so happy
and at the same time I thought
I'm never doing this again
And then a week later I've decided that I want to do all weapons
😄
You made an awesome game Supergiant!
elfin pulsar
what was your pact/mirror build?
elfin pulsar
also, do you use earring in act 1 too or do you switch after the fury?
lyric folio
Thank you
I started with dio boon
And then switched to earring after alecto
Because that 40% extra damage in the stressful final stages is super helpful
pastel jolt
whoof, you took tenebrous veil??
elfin pulsar
interesting, is there a reason to take 40% shared misery instead of 50%?
lyric folio
instead focussing on hp, avoiding battle rooms, and poms
Not really
Just needed to hit 120
elfin pulsar
oh ok cool, didnt know if it was some fancy breakpoint
lyric folio
And whipped frenzy and the other stuff is too deadly
Most important thing is not to take inevitability and convinience fee
elfin pulsar
yeah I like shared misery, dont find it to be much of a hassle compared to other stuff
lyric folio
Because without those 2, you can make mistakes and heal up
And death defiance is super nice too
for 90
elfin pulsar
death defiance with the 500% damage seems very necessary
lyric folio
I would suggest taking more shared misery instead of death insurance if you want a classic high damage build though
I only took it because I went for a dio build with lots of damage
over time
500% damage is not that bad once you get used to it
Its a bit shocking at first though
when a lout charges you for 48 damage ;D
elfin pulsar
yeah im at 60% right now, been playing through unlocking more heat
finally starting to not get hit by random things each room
lyric folio
Awesome, what is your favorite build?
elfin pulsar
the most fun one I had was the rail with cluster grenade and aphro's cast
using the cluster grenade point blank causes them to stack, so I was just dashing in and killing everything in a second
lyric folio
Ah yea, I tried that too
elfin pulsar
pretty scary tho, dont think it woulda worked on high damage
elfin pulsar
my easiest runs have definitely been shield and spear with special upgrades and zeus/dio stuff, seems real good
lyric folio
I love the shield
and dio on the special is so strong
Spear I haven't had that much succes with though
feels awkward
But thats probably lack of practice
elfin pulsar
it seems like the spin slash is terrible and the dash attack misses a lot, but the special is basically a guaranteed backstab, so its great with a full 100% backstab bonus
lyric folio
oh yea good point
But idd, spin attack and sword special seem like high risk medium reward
elfin pulsar
agreed, im not sure what the point of the sword special is, feels just worse than all the rest
but the upgrade that gives you guaranteed crits out of it is completely insane
pastel jolt
i've been trying my heat runs aiming for athena spear special with vicious skewer
lyric folio
That is a spooky combo
Have you played with the athena artemis duo boon
that gives you crits when you deflect?
elfin pulsar
yeah I've got it twice, I think its a contender for best boon period
pastel jolt
i got it, and then, like i said, got obliterated by wave heads
lyric folio
Yea, with you on that one
pastel jolt
🙃
lyric folio
Ah, rip
elfin pulsar
deflect the waves!
lyric folio
That only works when you have deflect on attack or something
pastel jolt
that's hard when they're being fired at about mach 5 directly into my skull
but thanks hypnos ;P
lyric folio
yeah ;D
elfin pulsar
true........
elfin pulsar
yeah not dying is definitely best strat
pastel jolt
i thought i pinned down how to dodge around them/through them last time i got to hydra
lyric folio
Just need to try to get yourself a safe corner in the hydra fight asap
And then systematically take them down 1 by 1
elfin pulsar
I still havent figured out safe spots in the wave phase of that fight
pastel jolt
there are none
lyric folio
elfin pulsar
seems like until you clear like 3 of them your always in danger
but have you guys used aphrodites wrath on that fight?
pastel jolt
you can basically kiss your run goodbye if you get the spawn pattern with two or three of them
lyric folio
In my last 120 run, I had 2 spawners, and 2 waves in last 6
Also just wanna brag about beating alecto with only getting hit once again
😄
elfin pulsar
thats the red one right? thats hella nice
lyric folio
I call her
the run breaker
Ive had so many good runs with awesome builds
with hope and dreams
and then to see the red witch
maiden wadi
I've gotten so used to meg's attack patterns that I have a difficult time with tisiphone and alecto lol
pastel jolt
the real sucky part is that 3 out of the 5 possible final phase patterns have at least 2 wave heads in
lyric folio
Yea meg is alright, and with some practice tis is arguably easier
But alecto, goodness, so much immunity, so agressive
pastel jolt
i've gotten a lot better at dodging tisi's stundash move
elfin pulsar
tis seems too easy to me honestly, I've never struggled on her, not even the first time
even meg seems twice as hard
lyric folio
It took me a while to figure her out
elfin pulsar
but that little stun flick she does must be nasty at higher damage
maiden wadi
the attack cues are easier to read i think
elfin pulsar
ah thats not too bad, I was expecting like 30
maiden wadi
it could be worse haha
lyric folio
Only if she hits the charge
I enjoy the tis fight the most
It feels rewarding to dodge her stuff
while meg is just a lot of chaos because of all the spawns
elfin pulsar
yeah shes fun, I definitely find meg to just be easy but stressful, rewarding is the right word for tis
pastel jolt
i lsot a good run to tisi once by misreading her attack cues and standign right next to her when she did her 360 barrage thing
elfin pulsar
lol yeah, without having a high enough damage build to burst down the bubble guys its hellish
lyric folio
I literally refuse to go to the shop in asphodel before the hydra
maiden wadi
Some small masochistic part of me enjoys that fight tbh XD
lyric folio
Because there's always a boss after the shop
Gorgon is fine but goodness
I have ptsd
elfin pulsar
so you can only get the boat after a shop?
maiden wadi
wait really?
lyric folio
Not only, but after the shop, there always seems to be a skull fight
either gorgon or boat
elfin pulsar
yeah I have definitely noticed that
lyric folio
Anyone have some suggestions for builds to try for the sword and bow on 120?
I struggle the most with those 2
pastel jolt
there isn't always a boss after the shop
elfin pulsar
my best sword run was definitely athena attack with the guaranteed crit nova, felt very strong
pastel jolt
not even in asphodel!
i've definitely had runs where i managed to avoid skull rooms the whole way through asphodel
lyric folio
Heresy!
You are just trying to bait me into the murder boat
I see your true intentions sir!
elfin pulsar
so do you guys thinking avoiding skull rooms is the best strat for 120, even if it means taking darkness over a boon or something similar?
sly panther
I was in Asphodel, in Tartarus the elite rooms are pretty predictable
lyric folio
Yea, tartarus elite rooms are np
elfin pulsar
makes sense
sly panther
Mostly it's just avoiding the boat, haha.
unkempt pagoda
alecto with a voidstone
elfin pulsar
giving them ideas for act 5 huh
unkempt pagoda
alecto but with a god trial room buff
pastel jolt
yup!
lyric folio
I had to choose between a shop and elite room
You saved this run sir
5 death defiance and 150 hp, I have good hope about this one
unkempt pagoda
i think it's guaranteed gold room, don't remember a time when i saw a blue room after charon in aspho
sly panther
Blue room/gold room, that mean like, something with darkness/keys vs boons/poms/hearts?
unkempt pagoda
blue is currency like darkness, keys, heat, etc
gold is run-only stuff, like boons, money, hearts, pom
sly panther
Yeah, I gotcha
I noticed fated couldn't change stuff between those two types, didn't know the term
Is hammer in the same gold room pool? Can you turn those into a hammer?
unkempt pagoda
yep!
sly panther
Nice. Is it possible to get 2 hammers in a run? I don't think I've seen that yet
unkempt pagoda
i typically use all of my fates to get hammer as quickly as possible
nope, hammer is only once per run
sly panther
Good to know! Thanks for the info
unkempt pagoda
i've also seen and heard of a thing where only a specific set of gods at a time can be rolled and rerolled on a gold room
sly panther
Oh wow.
pastel jolt
yeah
elfin pulsar
damn, would you guys take a hammer or a athena+artemis room?
unkempt pagoda
for example, ares-athena-artemis is one set. when you reroll past artemis, it goes back into ares
sly panther
The latter unless I already have Last Stand, haha.
unkempt pagoda
hammer, always
pastel jolt
personally with the runs i've been doing lately, i'd take the hammer, but athena+artemis is a tempting combo for the duo potential otherwise
unkempt pagoda
also because trial rooms are the run killers for me lmao
pastel jolt
i've been aiming for minimal boons on my heat runs just to make sure i can always pom my special
also that, yeah
elfin pulsar
I actually already have the duo, and my only deflect is on my railguns special, which is not optimal
pastel jolt
hammer
unkempt pagoda
both athena and artemis have extremely annoying trial effects
sly panther
Yeah I've noticed that pomming either the special or attack depending on weapon seems really effective, more than amassing a lot of boons
unkempt pagoda
also that zappy effect where enemies just pop up next to you scares me
sly panther
Athena's trial effect is the worst, I always take her first in trial rooms even if I would want to do it second to manipulate the boon options
Like if I wanted to take a Dash boon so I didn't get titan toppler in the list
unkempt pagoda
also making the nicest god mad at zag makes me feel bad
elfin pulsar
took the double boon room and grabbed the artemis boon, it ended up being 95% of the regular walking zombie dudes and 5% suicide bomber guys
zombie dudes really dont get scarier with the shield, has been my easiest room in asphodel so far lol
lyric folio
@pastel jolt Thanks
pastel jolt
uh?
pastel jolt
👌
pastel jolt
going for the zeus special instead of athena...... a bold move, but i like it
lyric folio
It hits sooo hard
lyric folio
Athena is probably my fav god overall
unkempt pagoda
that unspent yarn makes me sad
lyric folio
Buttt
I wanted to go for a full attack build
I just ended up only getting special stuff ;D
@unkempt pagoda yarn?
pastel jolt
yarn of ariadne
lyric folio
Ah, yea
It was last room
and I wanted to go shop
but chose +25 hp over artemis
But I am really anxious about doing 120 heat for bow and sword
I really like getting worldbreaker on the sword, but with only 1 choice because of pact, thats not rerally viable
really*
pastel jolt
i mean, that's what you get for taking veil
imagine only having one choice per boon
this post made by the 'not taking tenebrous veil' club
lyric folio
😄
When you only have 1 boon, and all the rest in poms its fine
What do you suggest I put the heat in?
If not veil
unkempt pagoda
max whipped frenzy max vicious torment
pastel jolt
NO
lyric folio
convenience fee is the most underheated pact in the game
pastel jolt
whipped frenzy is terrifying
unkempt pagoda
max whipped frenzy max death insurance max tenebrous veil zero darkness
unkempt pagoda
oh that's what i did for 60 heat
pastel jolt
this is what i've been running so far for my 60s but i might change it up some
elfin pulsar
yeah the attack speed seems way harder
pastel jolt
it doesn't just speed up their attacks, they also attack from further away
unkempt pagoda
sparrow that's probably what my 120 heat will look like when i've built up to it
elfin pulsar
damn thats a fun looking one, all damage
lyric folio
I would max stifling, or ignore it
pastel jolt
fun fact this means whipped frenzy is used in speedruns
lyric folio
I tried a build, where I did all damage and speed for enemies
elfin pulsar
the first point in stifling feels extremely brutal, max or nothing makes a lot of sense
lyric folio
and no hp
pastel jolt
i assume that it's done because the sooner an enemy attacks, the sooner it's close enough to you for you to hit it
lyric folio
Fair
unkempt pagoda
louts seem like a real pain on whipped frenzy, i hate them already on no whipped
pastel jolt
oh god, yeah
elfin pulsar
louts feel dumb to get hit by but they ding me the most
pastel jolt
what 500% damage runs are teaching me is that even without WF you have much less time to dodge than you think
lyric folio
500% damage is the best way to get better
I found myself doing some 0 heat runs just to chill
and almost died because I got complacent
Once I complete 120 on all weapons
I want to try a 180 run
Would anyone be interested in watching me stream it? :))
elfin pulsar
i'd definitely watch a 180 run
trim ingot
at 180 heat you unlock the ultimate statue
green birch
With heat, your play style does a whole 180
icy edge
We could definitely do with a heavy, slow weapon
Right now, the bow is the slowest of the lot
hollow minnow
60 Heat is impossible!!!!! OMG! I haven't played Hades for 3 whole weeks (and I feel really bad about it)💔 but now I feel I have to because unveiling the statues only work if you've beaten the Hydra and since they're adding a new area this update (right??) thats means it'll be even longer and harder! So now I feel pressured! !! 😖 😖 😖 Advice?!
Oh I see everyone is discussing the Pact?! Yay cool beans 😛
sly panther
There's also World Splitter, that makes the sword function like a heavy weapon. I know it's an upgrade but still
fluid moat
^ yeah definitely try out world splitter
Also special based builds on rail gun can be fun
obtuse tapir
If you're going for 60 heat I think there are two strategies that I can recommend:
Don't get hit strat - invest a lot of points in incoming damage+. Do practice a lot and avoid getting hit by anything at all costs (The bosses can be a little bit painful). Since you can freely invest darkness in DPS, your goal is to kill all enemies asap and don't let them have enough chances to harm you.
War of attrition - invest points in enemy toughness+. You will get hit several times since the enemies stay alive for a long time, but you can get over it with by buying heals with the money you get. Each mistake is less painful.
I advise against investing anything in whipped frenzy because it significantly increases your chance of getting hit. Having more enemies in each encounter is less painful.
icy edge
World splitter with Chaos %dmg boon
lyric folio
Oof, level 5 upgraded attack and 3 centaur hearts in tartarus on a 120 heat run
and then ran into alecto
G_G
finite grail
man the boat gets really rough when you have a bunch of those blue shield crystals
crisp iris
is the attack-dash animation canceling already known by the community?
with the sword, btw
crisp iris
attack-dash canceling
hol on
if you dash as soon as the attack finishes with the sword, you can continue the attack chain while dashing
around 0:20 is where I do the attack-dash
pastel jolt
it’s been mentioned a couple times in the server before
fluid moat
yeah previously the damage carried over as well
sly panther
Does anyone know if the Fury fight gives more darkness if you finish it quicker? I just got 50 from Alecto, which seems very high for 25 heat. I killed her in like 12 hits though, had Twin Shot and Artemis boon.
forest marsh
It does not
The only way to get more Darkness out of an Encounter currently is to either get a Chaos boon with +% Darkness or run with modifiers, which also give +% Darkness
sly panther
(and Poseidon)
forest marsh
Furies give a base of 30 Darkness
Yes, and Poseidon, thanks, I forgot our poor wet boy
sly panther
There's no RNG on the fury darkness?
forest marsh
So 25 Heat should net you 30 + 50%
Nope, there is no RNG to any of the Reward amounts
sly panther
I have dark thirst as well
forest marsh
Then an extra 10% for that
sly panther
Yep, and I guess it rounds up, since that'd be 49.5
Makes sense! I've been doing 25 for a while, not sure how I didn't notice. I thought I was getting in the 30s always
But 30-33 must've cemented in my brain (depending on dark thirst) and I just never noticed it being 50 when I jumped to 25 as my warmups, haha.
forest marsh
So the breakdown is 10 for a regular Darkness reward, 20 for an "Elite" room, and 30 for the Furies
sly panther
Is it higher in Asphodel or stays the same?
sly panther
Nice job!
lyric folio
Thanks, really anxious about the bow though
Sword was really hard already, but I've never really had any succes with bow
forest marsh
Stays the same in Asphodel, Jamie
sly panther
Gotcha, thanks wightfyre
lyric folio
Just beat Alecto on 120 heat without losing any death defiance
AMA
Autographs, 1 for 20 darkness
forest marsh
Dang, Wingblade is turning into a Pro-Hades player
lyric folio
😄
I just got extra hyped about Hades since the QA position opened
have been playing pretty much nonstop
sly panther
What's your Pact look like, for the 120 runs? Do you change it much?
lyric folio
Yea, it depends a ton on my build
sly panther
Like you change based on weapon?
lyric folio
Mostly death insurance/no death insurance based on if I want to do burst damage or dots
Like for my dio run I had it on 2
for my worldbreaker run 0
and now ares bow 1
sly panther
It does, Dio takes care of death insurance real nicely
sly panther
Him and Ares are probably my favorites, like, Athena/Artemis probably have brought me more success, but I just like how the game plays using curse or blight wine
sly panther
I have been tweaking my pact a lot, at this point I am down with anything that makes me not have to take whipped frenzy is good
lyric folio
I had 10% whipped for my sword run
I just really didn't want to take any convenience fee
sly panther
Poseidon's knockback on the spear is outstanding
lyric folio
On the rail too ;D
But overall it's just soo good against armored opponents
Can't hit you back if they are 2 screens away
sly panther
Haha, idk, I've had louts start charges off screen on me x_x
lyric folio
Ouch yea
Louts are a whole different ballpark
Oh goodness
I was worried for no reason
First try
sly panther
Congrats! Dang, that 120 2 streak
lyric folio
@sly panther https://imgur.com/a/W0cDqZH this is my pact/mirror
sly panther
Oh wow, only one chain dash? I've thought about doing that. I do the only one cast thing.
lyric folio
The third one is just so expensive
The only expensive thing thats worth it imo is death defiance
I really wonder at what heat levels the devs play
<@&456908176877551658> can I @ the devs?
grand patrol
sure!!
green birch
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