@copper sandal , are you aware that the furies become invulnerable at quarter-ratios of health, and that the duration of that invulnerability has no set 'maximum duration', but does have a 'minimum duration'?
#h1-builds-and-combat
plucky oxide
copper sandal
I thought it was for specific activity triggers
but its still really un-fun gameplay
plucky oxide
I understand that, especially with the addition to wraths. Having to wait for them to time out is really frustrating, while you watch the boss idle in place invulnerable.
But it also sets tempo for the boss fight, and is something meant to be understood as a mechanic (at least from my perspective) instead of random.
copper sandal
Maybe you're just cleverer than I
plucky oxide
Nah, I get the frustration. I feel it too.
It really stops wraths from feeling as powerful as they could be.
What do you think about these invulnerable phases stopping wrath from depleting, triggering the triple-chime of wrath ending early? So that you could save some wrath charge.
copper sandal
I think that giving the player some indication of when they're likely to be invulnerable would be the most ideal
instead of having to eyeball the health gage
A half second delay with a visible warning would go a long way.
pastel jolt
@native ether not to be nitpicky but so far as i know it’s impossible for six heads of the same type to spawn, even if it feels like they’re all the same
native ether
I thought that, but I had a run where I did get 6 of them. I saw 6 waves being fired at me rip
I don't have access to the code though ofc, so maybe I'm delusional but /shrug
turbid needle
Would I be allowed to post gameplay?
Maybe if I show off how I play I'll be able to get tips on how to improve
lost rose
Sure, go ahead
turbid needle
I'll make sure to record some gameplay
What's a good thing to do?
4k 60fps
I'm pretty sure my pc can handle it
peak smelt
Lmao
turbid needle
? Lol
light aspen
is there like an internal cooldown for athenas deflect on normal attacks
so many of my bow shots with the no charge time upgrade weren't deflecting
plucky oxide
the hitbox on arrows is much smaller now
light aspen
plush blaze
plush blaze
30 each dayum
pastel crane
Anyone else try Spear launcher with the duo athena/artemis? I had 4 into athena critting for almost 900's
plucky oxide
Duo Athena/Artemis is insane.
Had an Athena cast run with the duo boon on it. Was dealing 1.3k damage, and I didn't even have Artemis' 'further-double-critical-damage' boons.
regal nexus
Ayy, congrats pause!
pastel jolt
bout to make the hydra eat lava
atomic panther
Rail with Support Fire is ridiculous
grand patrol
NICE
pastel jolt
yeah it really is
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imagine if i'd chosen the faster attacking option at the start instead,,
atomic panther
:OOF:
pastel jolt
god that was an absolutely disgusting run, i love it
dionysus + rail is good, dio + support fire + rail even gooder
trim ingot
hydra gonna get drowned
pastel jolt
it was good but the ave heads killed me
they're, uh, very hard to deflect with sword attack
¯_(ツ)_/¯
god that was such a good run as well
i was doing like 800 damage per crit special
turbid needle
Does the lava in Asphodel count as a trap?
plucky oxide
I've heard people say that Athena's trap damage reduction reduces lava damage.
But I haven't tested this myself
woeful stirrup
It does count as a trap, yes.
atomic panther
Nice!
dusky quartz
So... Taking a no-dash Chaos Boon just before Alecto... Eeyup 
Do not ever ask me how I've done
dusky quartz
Still 2 rooms
And... survived with 1hp
It ended with a survival room, never mashed the dash button that much 
short turret
https://twitter.com/noxtoraa/status/1109195294724354048 zagreus: nyx come pick me up i’m not having fun anymore :(
( not a bug just unfortunate positioning i could pick up the upgrade lol )
trim ingot
there is no escape
short turret
bad and naughty demigods are put in the Hammer Corner to atone for their escape attempts
hot basin
i can hear the clickin lol f
turbid needle
DARN IT! 5 seconds away from my new record ;v
native ether
well its definitely possible to get 6 wave heads on the final boss, got it again rip
pastel jolt
there are thirteen possible combinations of heads that can spawn, five of those are the six-head combinations, and none of them have all six heads the same type
woeful stirrup
There's been several of use getting 6 heads of the same time, now. So you either can't read the files as well as you think you can, or there's another file with more combinations/something hidden.
plucky oxide
I don't think I've ever received 6 wave heads at the same time. They usually come in batches of 2-3.
Maybe I just have really good luck, I guess :V
I'll pipe up if I ever get 6 in one spawn. Sounds like a nightmare.
native ether
what are all the types of heads? There's the yellow, green, and pink ones right?
cause yeah got 6 wave heads within basically 30 seconds and didnt have the burst damage to clear the field fast enough and I just got shredded even with Athena dash
woeful stirrup
Yellow, green, white and pink.
native ether
yeah i got 6 yellow heads. Granted its sort of difficult to distinguish the white heads from yellow ones but it was definitely 6 yellows
even if it wasnt 6, i still bet getting any more than 2 wave heads is an absolute nightmare, the amount of projectiles to dodge is just ow
forest marsh
At that point Athena is almost mandatory, or a wrath with invuln
plucky oxide
Most I've seen is 3 at a time. They fire one after the other, at a set rhythm. Even trying to dash through their waves requires really craze frame accuracy. It's nuts.
native ether
yeah ive had a couple hydra fights go super duper well to begin only to get absolutely destroyed by the final batch of heads. Usually its just having a huge amount of health that allows you to just tank all the hits. But with higher heat values that's just not a viable strategy
its also pretty hard to tell the difference between the white and yellow heads (since they have that yellow armor glow i think) so i guess its possible im getting combos of melee and control heads and all the screen clutter just makes me see 6 waves
pastel jolt
when the wave heads spawn, there's either two or three of them
there's a variation that has 3 melee and 3 wave heads and that might be what people are seeing as six wave heads because they're fairly close in coloration
native ether
thats probably it
and it feels like 6 wave heads anyways cause theres literally no place you can stand to even do enough damage to get rid of one of them lol
pastel jolt
the wave/control heads tend to be much yellower, while melee heads are almost identical to the main one
but maybe that's just my eyes
native ether
yeah i have difficulty distinguishing
plucky oxide
Screens/monitors can change these things as well
native ether
even though getting something like 3 white/3 yellow is an awful combo
its probably the worst one tbh
pastel jolt
honestly, any combo that's heavy on melee heads is one i enjoy
except for 3melee/3control, that one's a nightmare
native ether
yeah ive had 2 super good 50 heat runs that went literally perfectly until I got 3 melee/3 control both times.
Was probably the worst feeling ever
plucky oxide
I personally think the slamming-heads are the roughest, mostly because I can't sense any sort of pattern.
pastel jolt
the hardest part of the hydra fight is, personally, ending up facetanking bites because there's no tell to them
native ether
i notice the heads typically do a "special attack" and then a bite, in that repeating order
pastel jolt
basically any other attack is telegraphed but when the hydra bites you it's just like, tough luck, you're going to take damage now Because I Said So
yeah
there's a thing set so they can't just chain together the same attacks
native ether
I've noticed my high heat runs usually follow a checklist:
I win unless:
- I get Alecto
- I get 3 wave/3 control on the hydra
Alecto just eats up all my death defiances cause hnngh Alecto
pastel jolt
i don't tend to do too bad on alecto
i get her so often i've had more of a chance to learn her routines
native ether
see i always get Tisiphone
so I never get to practice Alecto
and then I only draw Alecto on high heat runs
pastel jolt
the two biggest things i realised with alecto are that you can get her to run on the spike traps in the middle of the room while she's enraged and following you, and also the ground aoe she does is spaced enough that if you're not dashing when it starts, you can outpace it
native ether
didnt realize she'll walk on her own traps (lol) but yeah figured out the dodging on the aoe
not entirely bright is she
pastel jolt
if you are dashing, then you'll have to eat at least one circle when you stop
native ether
i notice i just miss her melee attack tells a bunch of times
which means i just eat tons and tons of dmg
native ether
and since i prefer to play very aggressively if im not being careful then i end up just eating up 1 or 2 of my death defiances
mystic hawk
I have a question. When entering the chaos gates are you meant to get health back? I don't quite understand why you can get health back if you have the upgrade for it when you're entering a room that's supposed to cost you health
forest marsh
Yes, it's working as intended
forest marsh
Nope, it's just two separate mechanics that happen to counteract each other to a degree
mystic hawk
That's neat
native ether
I typically just run Cosmic Egg anyways so I've never really noticed lol.
forest marsh
I do think the health cost on Chaos gates isn't really needed anymore now that they introduced Chaos, though. It made slightly more sense when it was just a free reward room
But you're already getting a punishment from Chaos, so you get double-punished for entering a Chaos gate
native ether
I like it cause Chaos boons are still absurdly strong even with their temporary debuff
forest marsh
I wouldn't say they absurdly strong, I'd say their finally strong enough to justify the cost(s)
Though that balance may shift when the third biome arrives
Their strength is more on par with the other god boons
native ether
I mean I'd consider them the strongest boons in the game by a considerable margin. Things like +2 cast/+1 death defiance/+50 health/+300% darkness worth
Chaos boons often take whatever build I'm making and make it completely broken.
forest marsh
You can already get those first 3 things from gods/rewards at equal or better value
The most value, for me anyway, is getting the +%Dash Attack from Chaos when I'm running bow. Alternatively, the straight Attack/Special upgrades
native ether
I've never been able to figure out the bow's dash attack rip, but yeah the damage upgrades are great.
forest marsh
It's just dashing and then attacking? Can't say I've had trouble with the mechanism, but your mileage may vary, of course
native ether
I mean I understand how to do it.
It's more I don't understand if it's actually working/the benefits of doing so in general.
That's more dash attacking in general
forest marsh
Oh, I see
native ether
It doesn't feel any different from doing just a normal attack after dashing.
So I don't tend to do it often/build around it often cause it doesn't feel different/worth doing so.
forest marsh
It's definitely most obvious when you're doing bonus damage, 'cause then you can see it happening
But it charges your shot noticeably faster, that's the benefit at base level
native ether
Yeah maybe if it had something like an animation it would be more clear. (As in Zag does his attack slightly differently or something)
I see. Interesting.
pastel jolt
yeah, the bow dash attack charges faster, that's really all it does but it's noticeable if you sit and shoot at skelly
forest marsh
Easiest way to judge is to, like sparrow said, shoot at 
with a normal Power Shot, and then try dashing and doing a Power Shot. You should be able to tell that it's faster charging
native ether
Alright. Pretty cool.
Tbh I've also likely never noticed because my least favorite weapon is the bow lol.
Especially since the rail exists and I prefer it as a ranged weapon.
pastel jolt
clutches my chest like a scandalised old-timey lady
forest marsh
Old-timey people railing against your weapon preferences 
forest marsh
Back in my day
If you don't read that in the stereotypical "old person" voice, you are a criminal 
native ether
Also with the Rail's special buff I definitely prefer it to the bow now
forest marsh
Oh, I see... you must be a KBM player
native ether
Not particularly, I usually run with whatever I'm given.
forest marsh
KBM = keyboard & mouse
native ether
Oh yes you'd be right
forest marsh
The fact that you like using AR special is the giveaway
native ether
Is the special hard to use with controller?
forest marsh
It's not fun with the controller
You have to aim it with the stick, not just click on the screen where you want it to go
native ether
Yeah that makes more sense now why some don't like it.
forest marsh
Or else leave it to auto-aim to choose, but the shot speed is such that if you center it on a target, they've moved away by the time it lands
Disclaimer: I haven't tried with the modified speed of AR special yet
Same with Dio cast
native ether
It's better. Noticeable but not broken.
Yeah Dio cast is also definitely my favorite
forest marsh
I just skip them 95% of the time, honestly, 'cause they're so difficult to use effectively with analog stick
Not that you can't, but it doesn't flow well
native ether
I see. I usually just don't like the bow cause I find I don't position myself with it well, take forever using it, and often have difficulty dodging attacks with it.
forest marsh
Dash attack helps with the "taking forever" bit
You get into a real good rhythm of dash-attacking Power Shot
Plus, since you're dashing constantly, you don't worry so much about positioning
native ether
Yeah figures. Maybe I'll try it out again now that I actually know that's a thing.
You'd think I wouldn't have to worry but lol
forest marsh
Quite often you can dance around enemies to proc backstabs, avoid shots, etc
I would say the worst way to play bow is to remain stationary for more than a shot (or two if it's safe and you're feeling lazy)
That's my #opinion though
native ether
Yeah. Favorite weapon is probably the spear still.
forest marsh
I do like spear myself, too. Second only to bow for me
mystic hawk
I catch myself standing still too often and taking too much unnecessary damage with the bow
Getting better at not doing that though
native ether
Also I've discovered I really like the sword. Flurry Swing (I think that's the name) is super fun to use.
forest marsh
Flurry Blade, yeah
native ether
Yeah pop that with Blight Wine and things die very quickly.
forest marsh
Add on some Lightning, Blight, and/or Artemis' Support Fire 
native ether
Even better if you get a Chaos +50% attack
native ether
I also like that you can swing in a direction you're not moving in with the sword
woeful stirrup
I'm gonna stop trying to go for max darkness builds. Chaos and Poseidon are mean to me, either not giving me their boosts or giving them at room 23. And then I end up with a knockback build on blade with -4HP every time I attack 
(beating Alecto at 50 Heat using only special and cast was quite an experience)
wintry swan
So how rare is thanatos? I haven't seen him except once
also, did anyone figure out how much money you usually get from enemies?
safe mesa
he comes very randomly
like each chamber has a certain percent chance of getting him so you could encounter him very rarely or consecutively between runs
forest marsh
I could be misremembering, but I think Thanatos was hardcoded to not be able to show up in consecutive runs
night pasture
jumping on the back of that, is it the same thing with meg once you trigger her sisters?
forest marsh
Mmmm, not sure about that
night pasture
I know I have more dialogue to trigger with her but she seems to show up very rarely
forest marsh
I feel like you can get any one Fury in consecutive runs (except the first time they come around, then it's a repeat until you beat scenario)
I don't have any evidence to back that up, though
The first part. The second part I've experienced
night pasture
I mean, I've gotten Al 4 times in a row
forest marsh
My general feeling from my own runs is that the two new Furies will show up more often than Meg will once they are unlocked
night pasture
I absolutely can believe I'm just having bad luck with the RNG
with the thanatos thing I was curious if it were similar though
wintry swan
Also, currently I don't really see the point of getting a boon that doesn't make me impervious. Does this make me bad or sane?
forest marsh
I have to assume they mean wrath
'cause otherwise there's only 1 and it's legendary
night pasture
but it's a risk-reward situation in that the wrath boons that make you invulnerable tend to do a lot less damage
night pasture
well, zeus' wrath doesn't make you invulnerable but I think it still has the highest dps
forest marsh
I don't like relying on invuln periods, honestly
I'm a range attack wuss
Not that I am against point-blank shots with ranged attacks, though
I love those
plucky oxide
Invuln lets you focus on doing optimal dps without kiting or dodging, but thats a different type of dps-spike
regal nexus
Thanatos can show up in consecutive runs, seems to be around the same spot each time when he does
Had a floor 21 Thanatos something like 4 runs in a row yesterday
Though I'm not sure if that's intended behaviour or just a bug
mystic hawk
I’ve only ever seen Thanatos once too, but I haven’t been playing that long so that’s probably why
turbid needle
I've seen him four times in about a dozen runs
ruby rune
ive seen thanatos twice in like 10 runs
wasnt paying attention for a correlation in which floors he showed up, but it did seem a little bit spread out
woeful stirrup
Alecto with 10% Whipped Frenzy and a Rail special build at 60 Heat is. challenging. Still, I have 4 Death Defiances left, thanks Chaos and Athena! 
pearl willow
Just completed 60 heat for the first time with no defiance and 16 HP left lol. Thank goodness for Athena wrath. I think I have basically no shot of ever clearing 120 heat.
forest marsh
Practice
green birch
You’ll get there one day!
regal nexus
Congrats!
woeful stirrup
This is my current build:
https://i.imgur.com/WT1mSyL.jpg
Come on, game. I take Dionysus keepsake for Tartarus, Zeus for Asphodel, and the only attack boon you give me is the Artemis one?
pearl willow
Maybe but I was already feeling the squeeze from grim inevitability and convenience fee. I can kill stuffs but I can't dodge stuffs so not being able to restore HP effectively is no bueno.
regal nexus
Was gonna say, that is some serious bad luck to not have zeus attack offered
though at least it did give you the infinity!
woeful stirrup
Yep. And it's not that bad with Artemis attack. Just not as good as it could have been.
So yeah, trying to not lose too much HP, I still have 4 Death Defiances, boosted thanks to Athena.
regal nexus
👏
...I just want to say again that the whole "pest mines instantly explode when hitting a gap" thing is complete bs
woeful stirrup
It truly is.
Especially since the game kept giving me those and Numbskulls in Tartarus. Those rooms are awful, there's nowhere safe.
regal nexus
Had a super promising run going and then suddenly floor 13 got hit by an instant pest mine https://i.imgur.com/sbtTVQq.jpg
Oh yep, the skull piles are hell with some weapons
forest marsh
Do you drive a Mineual or a Skullomatic transmission?
regal nexus
I'll fight you >.>
woeful stirrup
My very first try on 60 Heat. Entered the Hydra room with 31 HP and 4 boosted Death Defiances. Came out with... not much, but alive! 
forest marsh
Congrats!
woeful stirrup
Time to reveal the second prize 
regal nexus
🙌
woeful stirrup
It's all I've ever wanted.
forest marsh
Now work on 120 before there's a third biome to fight through
woeful stirrup
... right, those of us who are doing it right now are having it easy.
regal nexus
I fear for my life, at hydra on 145 but didn't get offered any deflects
Nor poseidon/athena/ares wrath
woeful stirrup
You've got plenty of DPS, though.
regal nexus
Yeah, as long as wave heads don't spawn it's doable
but if more than 2 waves spawn I'm pretty much bone hydra'd
forest marsh
Why would you jinx it? 🙃
regal nexus
It is an inevitability, wight 😏
forest marsh
regal nexus
6 waves phase 1 somehow, guaranteed
woeful stirrup
I got 3 wave heads and 3 slammers on my 60 Heat attempt. Actually left the wave heads for last, because I managed to dodge them pretty well but could not place myself without getting hit by the slammers.
regal nexus
Wait, does gun special clear hydra shots? I have no idea myself since I never play gun
And owch
woeful stirrup
The easiest heads are my kryptonite apparently.
Never tried to clear them with the special. Bit too slow for such a fast paced fight.
regal nexus
Hm, honestly I find the slammers second hardest since they do take up so much space
Ah, fair enough. More just wondering for the in-between phases where hydra launches a bunch at once
A well placed special could clear it all if it does, but I haven't a clue and don't want to lose a death defy by testing on 145 lol
forest marsh
My gut feeling is that it doesn't, but can't say for sure
woeful stirrup
Plus, they're easy enough to dodge by just going to the side. If you've got enough time to prepare a rail special, you've got enough time to hide.
If you'd had deflect special, question could have been interesting, but with that build, it's high risk, no reward.
regal nexus
Actually screw it, I have to know
woeful stirrup
Well, see you when you die
regal nexus
Alright good news everyone, it doesn't
woeful stirrup
Maybe try it in its first phase, on the few ones Hydra's got.
forest marsh
This is important Science
regal nexus
Rest in peace, that death defy
forest marsh
Your sacrifice will be remembered
woeful stirrup
Those are your fault, you jinxed it.
regal nexus
...holy hell, I'm not even upset at all anymore. I just got the single best run I have ever seen, no exaggeration
forest marsh
Oh?
regal nexus
I'm trying to just record a bit of this and upload it as a gif, words cannot express how overpowered this is
I may as well quit the game after this run, as I will never again experience a run of this calibur ._.
forest marsh
Streamable is a good alternative to gifs, too
forest marsh
Good lord... boon screenshot?
regal nexus
Splitting bolt, flurry fire, zeus attack, poseidon wrath, and epic zeus bonus bounces
It is 100% absurd
native ether
on the hydra heads, i definitely find the slammers and wave heads the hardest
they take up and demand the most presence in the arena
its relatively safe(er) to stand next to spawn heads or lava heads
regal nexus
Yeah, it's also often a better idea to stand in the lava than stand near a slammer
and well, wave heads are just wave heads. And as if I even needed to post this, I won that run. The only difficulty was that enemies were dying so quickly that there were too many damage numbers and it was causing lag. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453609837016645643/558919586318385152/unknown.png
jolly ginkgo
Any tips for beating 120 Heat runs with spear? Been grinding for a week trying slight variations on mirror/heat/keepsakes. No luck yet, but I've made it half way through Asphodel a couple of times.
dusky quartz
And with minimal darkness... Dayum
I don't even understand how it is a good idea when you see all the stuff the mirror gives you
But then, 160 heat is beyond insanity 
wintry swan
Okay, I just cant seem to get the hang of blight wine. Is it actually comparable to a 30 percent damage buff? I'm using exagryph and it just seems like I hit the max stacks too quickly to actually get a strong damage buff from it.
regal nexus
160 was a mistake lol, veil is just annoying so I wouldn't suggest over 145. As for blight wine, it's not so much a % damage thing. Plays more like ares attack, if you have 4 damage wine then it'll deal something along the lines of 20-28 extra damage per hit until you reach full stacks (can't remember if it ticks 5, 6, or 7 times)
You generally want to change targets or run away when you reach 5 stacks to take advantage of the wine
wintry swan
Wow festive fog is an actual downgrade
Doesnt give you the damage bonus.
Ty rynth
Also daamng 145
Still on 43 myself
Lost to the hydra this time because I thought "Oh i'll try out festive fog
And then didnt have the 50% bonus damage that would have been really helpful
Oh well
safe mesa
i like festive fog for the impact damage and the fact that it slows/stuns enemies
wintry swan
To each their own I guess. I may just be salty because I was last phase of hydra and a little more damage would have won it for me
unkempt pagoda
...60 heat inferno-bomb chaos boons are not fun, especially when you get two skullpile rooms in a row
light nova
Cool story time
As u can see i got TWO duo boons
Zeus/dio and Aphrodite/dio
When i obviously wanted duo from ares+aphrodite
Random is so random...🙃
Also i dont know, maybe it's a bug that i could took the scintillating feast without even one Zeus boon before
pastel jolt
nope, just requires that you have tipsy shot or high tolerance from dionysus
wintry swan
Hey is there a special voice line if you beat one of the furies without being hit? I only got hit once that last fight so it made me wonder
pastel jolt
not as far as i know!
hard holly
There isnt
Or if there is, it doesnt trigger every time
Ive beat them multiple times damageless (spear is busted), and nothing special came up
woeful stirrup
@willow wagon Making the spear go to where your cursor is would be an unfair advantage to mouse and keyboard players and would also make the spear special, one of the (if not the) best attacks in the game even better. Doesn't seem very balanced to me.
plucky oxide
Sounds like a neat idea to give to another weapon. A big hammer or something, with an attack that hits the ground so hard it can trigger traps.
hot basin
"..nothing a kid wouldn't do with a hammer in hand"
wintry swan
OMG
THERE ARE HEALING ITEMS IN THE HYRA ARENA
I'VE GOTTEN TO HEAT 50 AND I DIDNT KNOW
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
night pasture
I am laughing out loud that is such an adorable discovery
night compass
it took me a bit to figure out that you break the pots, i thought they just spawned
im with you its ok
wintry swan
Okay I have 2 questions
since when were they there
AND SINCE WHEN WERE THEY THERE?
night compass
possibly. always
wintry swan
non joke question you know that room after you heal and change your keepsake at the start of asphodel? Does it have anything in it or is it just empty for now
Oh awesome I got a sub 20 minute
Twin shot bow pretty stronk
woeful stirrup
There's always been two healing items in the Hydra room. They were placed next to the pillars back when there was a wall between them, but once the arena changed, they got put in the back.
languid sapphire
XD Always nice to find out new things, isn't it?
Speaking of which, has it been confirmed how to get legendary boons? I heard something about tiers....
regal nexus
There are particular prereqs for each
For example, athena's requires you to have the deflect damage up boon which in turn requires any boon that gives deflect
languid sapphire
I'm specifically trying to get Artemis' (she's my fave)...
pastel jolt
get at least one of deadly strike/deadly flourish/pressure points, which unlocks clean kill/hide breaker, which unlocks support fire
willow wagon
@woeful stirrup i would happily trade some damage the spear has for the feature i mentioned. I don't know how exactly the targeting works on console, but i think it can be solved somehow. Depedning on how "far" you aim the thingamajigs
cedar musk
did they remove the athena boon that gave you increased attack damage + a deflect?
cedar musk
oh ok! i just havent seen it the last few times ive gotten athena boons so i was curious
light nova
@wintry swan i didnt get it. What's the pun? 😄
forest marsh
Maid-dusa
light nova
I see
wintry swan
pearl willow
holy crap i have had this boon numerous times and somehow i only just now realized that Premium Vintage grants you +max HP, not just restores HP.
green birch
............. wait what?
pearl willow
i have 140 max health after getting +20 from the boon ambrosia and then +20 from another one a few rooms afterwards. i haven't picked up any minotaur hearts. i thought it always just made ambrosia restore health.
green birch
This changes everything
unkempt pagoda
yeah it’s great, i love it
also gives ambrosia a use when you’ve maxed every character out
unkempt pagoda
oof, 60 heat is kicking my butt, haven't even made it to asphodel yet
coarse hare
Wow the bow upgrade for no charge time makes such a huge difference! Just managed to beat the game with bow for the first time. Bow always felt clunky to me before that.
Now I just have sword left...any recommendations for what boons/upgrades go well with sword?
atomic panther
World Splitter will literally carry the run for you if you get it
The key to sword, in my opinion, is learning to intersperse different attacks into your damage combos. Spamming special may deal a lot of damage, but it isn't universally good against all enemies. Sword has a ridiculously high base damage, with its normal attack pattern dealing 60 and its special dealing 50, making Boiling Blood a near necessity. Get comfortable with every style of dealing damage and sword will be an easy run.
coarse hare
I see, thanks! Yeah I think I was too reliant on the special previously. It's good but has a long recovery time.
pearl willow
i generally see people speaking highly of world splitter but im not much of a fan. it feels a bit slow to me and i find the vertical swing means its less reliable for deflecting/destroying projectiles. i just like using the other hammer upgrades more.
forest marsh
I'm not much of a fan either, but I appreciate that it's just 'cause it doesn't suit me and not that it isn't good
regal nexus
I vastly underestimated world splitter at first
And sword in general, really
Messing around with it some, sword is an incredible weapon and world splitter is imo one of the best hammer upgrades available for it
coarse hare
I did manage to beat the game with sword, thanks for the advice! Didn't end up getting world splitter 😦 but I got the 300% damage to armor which allowed me to kill the hydra heads quicker. I also got a high damage dash (epic Zeus) and a high damage cast (epic Artemis + epic exit wound). All that plus a bunch of damage bonus to my attack. It did take a variety.
atomic panther
That is, in my opinion, what makes sword the most interesting weapon. It's so versatile, with two upgrades that completely change how your attack pattern functions, and every boon being a viable choice, even on the base weapon. Since you're up close and personal, weak and deflect are both very strong, and curse deals enough damage that you can make sword a hit and run weapon, especially with the special curse hitting so many targets. Percent damage boons are great due to its high base numbers, and per hit boons are still good on attack due to its relatively high attack rate. It manages to be a perfect introduction into the game's combat system, which is what makes it such a good starting weapon, while also retaining a high enough skill ceiling for more experienced players to have fun with.
Example: it's possible to attack twice, dash, special, then complete the attack pattern with the knockback thrust
solid igloo
I understand why you're the high priest of world splitter. However, no one person can handle 400+ plus backstab damage with one hit.
IT'S TOO MUCH POWAH
atomic panther
I've gotten it over 1000 before :D
atomic panther
Crit, +200% crit damage, backstab, boiling blood
Simple! Just appreciate it for the (subjective) fun and (objective) Big Numbers™ it offers
solid igloo
It's interesting because you can hit hard but it's still rather slow.
atomic panther
For it's strength, it's actually remarkably fast. Because of how slow the third attack in the base combo is, you can still fit three chops into the same time period as three attacks without World Splitter
solid igloo
I just had a run with World Splitter and Epic Tempest Strike.
Yikes. And it covered my *** by knocking them back.
atomic panther
Poseidon is an interesting combo with sword because, on the one hand, he does offer a very high damage buff, he often knocks enemies out of the remaining attacks in your combo. With World Splitter, and on bosses, this ceases to be a significant problem.
solid igloo
And you can just whale away at them over and over.
regal nexus
Alright yeah, only took a few runs to get sword done on decently high heat
weapon is solid
Also deflect attack + flurry is rather hilarious, the bombers don't pose any threat at all
solid igloo
Any ideas for beating the Hydra with 120?
regal nexus
Only just started with it on sword, but main advice is "have deflect attack"
the previous run was a world splitter one without deflect attack, and with wave heads it was a signficant problem
Otherwise, don't be afraid to walk into the lava if it means avoiding a hit - you'll take far less damage than you would otherwise
solid igloo
Especially if you've got the damage amped up.
mystic hawk
I like how you say decently high heat when you’re at 125. To me that’s insane
What’s insane is that 160
turbid needle
I can't even consistently complete at 60 heat (at least not since the new furies came in)
80 heat is suuper hard for me
Idk if I'll ever be good enough to complete 120
regal nexus
Just a matter of getting used to it all, the biggest turning point for me was realizing that missing damage doesn't matter since the game's all about avoiding hits rather than trying to hit enemies whenever possible
You'll get there if you keep playing
mystic hawk
I’m getting adjusted to trying to avoid damage more than going all out, but sometimes all out works for a bit
woeful stirrup
First clear with the Blade: 125 Heat. Rynth, you're an absolute madman.
ruby rune
Yeah my playstyle is super aggressive, trying to hit as much damage as i can all the time, but ive noticed that my best play comes out when i focus on avoiding and/or mitigating damage. Im best with the shield, and the blocking certainly helps mitigate damage.
regal nexus
Some things just have to be done, Chouette
obtuse merlin
what pact stuff do people go for at 120 runs?
I find + damage much more tolerable than +life or +enemies for instance
native ether
I've gotten very used to no healing, but I'm running 60 heat.
willow wagon
Im trying to get my 60 heat kill, using max increased dmg, and bits of increased nr of ennemis and speed, but i don't know what ill put heat into after that
valid burrow
echo heath
congrats
deep gorge
Does anyone have down what Fated Authority changes things to?
I've learned that Key -> Heat, which is a shame because I never want either of them.
But I don't know which change leads to more god boons.
green birch
Yeah, the color of the wreath on the door indicates what kind of thing it changes to. There’s a blue pool and a gold pool. I don’t know what rewards are in each category though.
deep gorge
Huh. I'll look at that for next time I use it.
There's nothing on the wiki page about it, which I thought was weird.
dusky quartz
From what I've understand there s two pools yes
one with darkness, keys ambrosia and heat
and one with hammers boons (and trials) poms hearts and obols
But mini boss rooms (so boons with a skull) can only reroll into another mini boss rooms
And I've heard that for these, gods are also into two pools. I'll have to verify that more seriously though
And you can't reroll the first room of each area into a boon room
And maybe other hiddens rules
errant narwhal
yeah basically the pools are temporary resources and permanent ones
dusky quartz
Like each floor in a way. You will never choose between a key or a boon.
errant narwhal
if you have enough of permanent ones like ambrosia, keys, etc. then only reroll stuff with a gold laurel/temporary rewards
dusky quartz
But sometimes, you can choose between darkness and a shop.
deep gorge
You mean when the optional shops pop up?
short turret
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533275058316116008/559399425722810410/20190324113319_1.jpg my best time with no deaths >:3 i think i'm confident enough to try heat runs now (tho maybe i'll try a clear w the bow & spear and then do that)
dusky quartz
Yeah exactly, I just have a choice between heat and a shop in the middle of asphodel
green birch
Oh nice!
short turret
ty!!
willow wagon
@dusky quartz every 3rd reroll is always back to what it originally was?
dusky quartz
I don't think so? Unless you have only 3 possibility in the pool?
I guess it can do that for mini bosses, since it can only have Ares Aphrodite and Artemis
But then I don't try to reroll more than 2-3 times so I'm not sure
Then I guess we could force god trials with enough rerolls... 
But that's probably not a good idea
deep gorge
Forcing god trials is actually exactly what I want.
dusky quartz
But you can reroll obols and poms a just few times, and have more boons this way
And hearts, if you commit to Cerberus keepsake in asphodel
unkempt pagoda
question: is there any reason to choose a mini-boss boon room over a trial room? i'd rather take the trial over the murderboat, and you get two boons out of it
pastel jolt
there isn't, really
unkempt pagoda
okay good, i was thinking maybe the boss-boon had a higher rarity, but i don't know really
unkempt pagoda
that being said, athena has the most annoying trial effect >:V
mystic hawk
You can tell when you're gonna get the boat?
unkempt pagoda
i choose against her once. never again.
dusky quartz
And since the boons in the trials are litteraly blinding, (at least the first) is as good as a mini-boss room
unkempt pagoda
well, i know it's either the murderboat or the gorgon (both of which are extremely annoying to fight)
dusky quartz
But that's all speculation
plucky oxide
If I had a very small boon pool and I wanted to keep it that way (to have poms more likely to effect the boons I want), I usually don't take trial rooms unless I know that both boons presented will be better than a single Pom upgrade.
pastel jolt
if there's a skull under the reward icon then its an elite room, and the asphodel elite rooms are either murderboat or gorgon
also the brightness of the boons is always the same
unkempt pagoda
^
mystic hawk
Oh okay, thanks
dusky quartz
Really, even the sound?
plucky oxide
I like the lighter blue of Poseidon's boon. It's very pretty. Used to be a lot more like 0/0/255 blue.
unkempt pagoda
honestly i go into trial rooms just for the bright colors of the boons
dusky quartz
I was certain that some boons spawns with more "impact" later.
unkempt pagoda
dio and aphro together are especially beautiful
plucky oxide
The only things that have more impact are the heat room rewards, but I'm unsure how that impacts boons.
pastel jolt
the boons don't change in brightness or colour or sound, they just Are
dusky quartz
hmm... I m really. I ll have to retry without the boon rarity upgrades. There's even some line where the gods are like "this time, I give you something amazing"
trim ingot
it's funny when then talk big about how awesome their boon is this time and then gives you some common boonies
short turret
athena: i will give you my strongest boon cousin >:)
athena: gives me the reduced trap damage boon
zag: thanks cousin
nova solstice
Yooo the machine gun shield is so fun to use. Esp with Dionysus' blight.
errant narwhal
hey sure footing is great
All lava counts as traps, so it’s really good if you lose track of yourself in asphodel sometimes like me
unkempt pagoda
sure footing would be great for since i run into traps way too often, but honestly i deserve to die to a trap if i dash straight into them
quiet ledge
Does Chaos have a legendary boon?
forest marsh
Nope
quiet ledge
feelsbadman
viscid sun
guys, i just completed the 120 heat run on the current version of the game. i lost my humanity
quiet ledge
this does sound like an inhuman thing to do
viscid sun
i had to use a controller lmao
i didnt play in a while, yesterday i discovered the final boss new attacks, that stuff is insane
unkempt pagoda
first time on hydra with 60 heat, wish me luck!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187458596559257600/559486769922310161/Hades_00007.png
atomic panther
Good luck!
green birch
you got this!!!
unkempt pagoda
dang it, RIP, smash head got me
viscid sun
makes sense, i always skip dio boons with the bow since its quite slow
i go full dio with the rifle and full artemis with the bow
pastel jolt
rapid shot tho
hasty locust
I've been having a great time with the shield
viscid sun
yeah i know, but i found the artemis dash+ some other atk boost to be more effective for the bow
that's how i got the 120 heat run
i love the shield as well
i have to try it with 120 heat, but in "normal" games it is so good, expecially if you have athena special, super useful for those pink wave attacks
unkempt pagoda
i was relying on dio bow special to get me bad influence, with which i could just zeus cast
the hammer was just unlucky :V
viscid sun
lol
unkempt pagoda
i was hoping for a special upgrade, but i got 3 attack ones
viscid sun
how you have the chambers/time counter up there, btw?
unkempt pagoda
i think the chamber shows up when you hit tab, and you can turn on the time in settings
viscid sun
(deal with it. wioth 120 heat you usually have 2 options for each boon)
with the bow i always look for artemis atk + artemis dash attack bonus + hammer power shot +100% to have an insane amount of dmg, while i love how the rifle can deal a lv5 poison really fast
unkempt pagoda
i love using special upgrades for bow though, because of point blank specials
point blank zeus bow special will absolutely decimate anything
regal nexus
Zeus special bow build is amazing for low heat, but I feel like it's real risky on high
pastel jolt
point blank anything is risky on high heat
regal nexus
Well, maybe not sword since it doesn't lock you in place!
Attack before dash to reduce the dash attack landing lag and get to smacking things
But bow special just roots you there for years
viscid sun
which one was point blank?
hard holly
More damage upclose
viscid sun
anyway, the only way i could see bow special working with high heat was athena one + the special hammer with +100% shots. that's useful to protect you from some magic shots
hard holly
I believe it was replaced by Twinshot?
Though in this case they just mean firing the special from point blank
plush blaze
I know there's a bow special +armor damage hammer boon now
I think +100% projectiles is still in the game but I can't confirm 100%
atomic panther
Now that breaking an enemy's armor staggers it, bow special with piercing barrage is ridiculously good at getting up close and personal
viscid sun
+100% projectiles is still there, im sure
oh, what do you think about alecto?
i was only able to defeat her once, at 120 heat, maybe im missing something
regal nexus
Alecto is much harder than the other two
if you don't have deflect for her, it's rough
viscid sun
meg is a consistent no damage, tisi is "maybe she will hit you once in the final phase", but alecto.. ew
when she spams the purple circle attack i keep dodging but that rarely works
regal nexus
Dodge diagonally and pause in between each one
Just takes one dodge to get out of them, but if you ever chain 3 dodges you will get hit
atomic panther
If you have Whipped Frenzy on you cannot dodge all of her attacks
regal nexus
Yeah, whipped in general will probably be reworked eventually though
viscid sun
i'll try her with 0 heat, i only ever met her with 120 heat so i couldnt stufy her moveset very well
viscid sun
lol
atomic panther
I dislike that you can't deflect her blade rifts
viscid sun
how can i share an image in here?
regal nexus
Have to post it elsewhere and copy the url
plush blaze
1 hp and no death defiances but don't worry! you have 3 casts! 🙂
viscid sun
ok, now imagine this at 120 heat
after a million of tries
i had to kill the last 2 heads hiding like a rat lmao
wicked frost
Do you guys feel like all of the weapons are viable? Some of them feel really underpowered to me but maybe I just havent played with them enough. I know daedalus/boons can completely change the playstyle.
lost rose
I think we're definitely getting to a point where all the weapons are viable, yeah! Adamant rail needs more polish and balancing, and the spear's still a little OP, but the rail is also the newest weapon
unkempt pagoda
^ i've played really good runs with each, and really bad ones too. some are a bit more prone to bad runs (bow and rail), but they're all good
shield in particular has been extremely solid in my opinion
wicked frost
Rail and bow were the two I was most thinking about as far as being underpowered. Bow's a little more flexible but I really struggle with the rail. Shield's definitely top of the heap for me
I could see spear being up there, I just haven't messed with it enough.
wicked frost
Then I'll play with it more. All of my clears (i'm at 24 runs with 4 clears) are with shield, although I got really close with spear and sword
wicked frost
Dear god. Well it's clearly viable hahaha
unkempt pagoda
for rail i find myself using the special constantly, compared to others
but honestly if you just completely lean into the playstyle they're all amazing at what they're supposed to do
dio rail in particular comes to mind
wicked frost
I have a hard time putting shield down. There's so many fun ways to build it up with boons. Favorite so far has been fast bull rush with athena reflect on attack. What are projectiles??
I saw somebody mention dio rail up top and I really want to play with that one now. Sounds like a blast.
unkempt pagoda
I had a run today where I got Dio cast and athena special for rail
i'd stun the enemies with the cast, which slowed them down just enough for the special to completely demolish them
lost rose
i personally haven't touched the shield since it got hypernerfed that one time a couple months ago
i'm glad to see people can use it but i rly don't want to relearn how to play with it gkjdfgd
plus how the block is still inconsistent...
unkempt pagoda
lmao, it's a good thing shield is just solid on its own, cause some of the hammer upgrades aren't that good
dread flight
wicked frost
^^^
I can't believe shield got nerfed. It feels so strong. My first clear I got a perfect set of boons and very nearly no-damaged the hydra.
unkempt pagoda
mirage flight is the best of the special hammer upgrades
wicked frost
Dear god. Yeah, that would be broken
unkempt pagoda
oof, did it?
lost rose
you could stand in a corner while enemies suicided against your shield, yeah
wicked frost
athena boons have such strong parity with it at a baseline. I cant imagine just having reflect at a baseline.
lost rose
that was obviously removed, and the shield used to be no good in asphodel because of the lack of walls, making it a poor run choice w/ the shield special
unkempt pagoda
wait, how did athena interact with the shield then?
wicked frost
Onyx I got assault flight with poseidon knockback and rupture once and it was hilarious. There was just a huge radius around me where enemies could not enter
unkempt pagoda
was it just the damage boost?
lost rose
good question! i, do not remember.
unkempt pagoda
double deflect
lost rose
every patch feels like its own era gkjdfhgkfd
unkempt pagoda
old shield + deadly reversal, wya
grand patrol
who rembers life drinker
lost rose
oh god life drinker, yeah
wicked frost
i'm hype to follow this game through development. sgg fan since bastion, was so happy when I finally shook out of my financial woes and could pick it up
what was life drinker?
unkempt pagoda
i think i didn't have enough darkness back then to actually take it
and then it got taken out :v
lost rose
life drinker was a straight-up vampirism powerup on the mirror
we also had....avenging gain? wasn't it??
where if you counterattacked after taking damage, you could get some health back
or was that life drinker
unkempt pagoda
oh yeah i remember that
wait, i think life drinker was a hammer upgrade for sword
wicked frost
Jeez. Yeah I could see that being a balance issue.
lost rose
ahhhh yeah i was getting it mixed up with the counterattack health powerup on the mirror probably
wicked frost
Btw--are Ares's boons kind of weak or am I just building for them wrong?
lost rose
both of which have obviously since been removed
unkempt pagoda
i don't think it was removed for balance issues? i think it was for not-interacting-with-game-well issues
lost rose
Ares boons were modified recently to make way for the ares-aphrodite duo boon and i'm not sure if i like it
unkempt pagoda
may be misremembering
lost rose
The cooldown on curse damage used to be much shorter
They lengthened it so that you could stack curse damage, but only with the duo boon
unkempt pagoda
for curse i take it with things i can't spam easily, like sword special
wicked frost
I wondered if that was the case. So far it seems like poseidon/zeus/athena/artemis are definitely the strongest
unkempt pagoda
cause i think if you keep reapplying it it doesn't go off
lost rose
we had complained about how delayed the damage was for ares boons so the window was shortened drastically, but with the intro of the duo boon they lengthened it out to like 1-point-something seconds again
Anyways ares damage is reasonably good for slower attacks and for eating away at armor
since armor break absorbs damage
unkempt pagoda
also eating at death insurances
unkempt pagoda
also that too
wicked frost
^I was gonna say, the one time I really like curse damage is for numskulls. Makes them more readily 1-shot-able
unkempt pagoda
i prefer ares's blade rifts anyway
wicked frost
zeus's revenge boon is broken. I got an epic one to lvl 3 or 4 and it was doing like 192 every time i got hit
made hydra a breeze
unkempt pagoda
especially the boon where they pull enemies in except for when they pull in pest bombs that's annoying
wicked frost
oooh I hadn't seen the pull-in boon. that sounds fantastic
unkempt pagoda
it's great, though i do like the bigger-rift-boon
that being said, i do want to try the ares/artemis duo boon, seems like fun
wicked frost
I'm loving how many options the game gives you, even within one playstyle. So much room for creativity and mastery.
hard holly
Ares boons are very weak, yes
Well, more precisely
Attack and special ones are very weak
Blade Rifts are dope, and Urge to Kill is really good
The attack and special ones suffer from needing slow attacks that also do little damage and are worth using
Gun special is the closest to being a good option, except due to its base damage, Athenas boon is just strictly better
Granted, 6 damage isnt the world, so Ares is fine on gun special
unkempt pagoda
I like using it on shield's bull rush, usually it goes off before i turn around and yeet on the enemies
hard holly
Even then I find Athena to be better, both because deflect is very useful, but also because with dash-doubletaps in the middle of your charge, you do a fair bit more damage
unkempt pagoda
also true
but then again, athena outmatches practically everyone besides artemis so
hard holly
Eh, Poseidon is usually the same
And sometimes better
And on fast weapons, Dio and Zeus are better
Aphro and Ares are the only gods where their attack and special upgrades are quite weak
unkempt pagoda
I prefer Ares over Aphro purely because blade rifts are awesome
The only time i'm excited about aphro is when i get her wrath
hard holly
Ye, they are
I only care about her increased damage to weak enemies boon
And her dash
Everything else, ever since her nerf waaaay back, is just kinda bad
unkempt pagoda
Because I can make everything idle so i can wail on them
native ether
I do really like the Spreadshot Cast from Aphrodite tbh
Weak is kinda meh though since it's often better to just "not get hit lol"
mystic hawk
I like aphrodite's cast cause it can melt people
turbid needle
Doing extra damage to weak enemies is nice
But for the two Aphrodite boons it takes to get that, you could get more damage with other gods
regal nexus
I actually quite like aphrodite boons, the aoe on enemy kill is pretty solid and the attack is still good if you can't find the athena/artemis (or poseidon if you have a weapon that doesn't mind knockback/zeus on gun)
viscid sun
hi guys, are you dying well out there?
do you play with mouse+kb or with a controller?
forest marsh
Controller! You can add your play style in #bot-commands
viscid sun
i had to use a controller with the bow for the 120 heat run, but i'd never use it for the rail. have to try it with melee weapons
plush blaze
I want to relearn the game with a controller at some point, since dashes are a lot easier
viscid sun
bow's dash attack consumed my right thumb c:
pastel jolt
i play with a 360 controller because it's the comfiest for me
keyboard feels clunky and awkward but maybe that's just a me thing
hard holly
Keyboard is usually clunky in exchange for precision
Now that I think about it, thats true for just about all genres
viscid sun
my opinion: keyboard IS clunky since spacebar is a big key, and above all wasd makes you move in 4 directions, while its even more important to move diagonally due to the isometric cam. on top of that, with a controller you use the same finger to attack (A key) and to dodge (X key), while in a frenetic fight with mouse+ keyboard sometimes you just spam both of them together and commit some mistakes. i think i will go with the XB One controller for anything except the rail
pastel jolt
guess there's a reason the game recommends a controller :'D
short turret
i personally love KBM because i’ve played a lot of hotline miami and i’m well adjusted to the “how to move diagonal in a 4 direction key set” setup you have to learn (you can go diagonal on a KBM - you just have you press two buttons)
however i’ve wanted to try with a controller properly i just have no money T_T
for either an xb1 controller or an adapter for my 360 controllers
viscid sun
yeah i know i can go diagonal with my keyboard lmao but thanks for the tip 😗
im waiting for my new keyboard to be delivered, curious to see if a mechanical keyboards makes a difference
high pulsar
Out of curiosity, has anyone tried using a controller in one hand for movement, and mouse in the other for aiming? I don't know if Hades will allow mixed control schemes, but it seems interesting.
viscid sun
i didnt, but i dont think that would be viable. expecially using the wraith
oh, and also dodging
green birch
It does allow mixed controller schemes! Some people have had a lot of success with them too so it’s worth a shot
high pulsar
I might try that out then; I use kbm because I like the mouse's accuracy (and how movement and aiming are separate), but it would be nice to have an analog stick's freedom of movement.
pearl willow
all KBM personally. just feels more natural to me and i'd rather have mouse aim and wasd movement limitations rather than joystick movement and joystick aim limitations lol. plus when I started Hades I was just coming off playing Ruiner (which is amazing) with KBM and they actually have very similar control schemes and gameplay.
viscid sun
i've just seen a guy beating a 180 heat run on youtube. wtf lol
i just barely got the 120 trophy, but im scared af since there's a lot of space near the statues for 2 more of them
trim ingot
What the
regal nexus
Yeah, I find KBM much more comfortable as well. Tried with a controller and it just wasn't my thing, much harder to aim and movement still feels fine on keyboard
native ether
Yeah I personally loathe controller
Not sure why tbh
Tbf I'm the person that for some reason 100% both Hollow Knight and Cuphead with MKB. Maybe I'm just stubborn lol.
Also means I like the rail special I guess lol
forest marsh
Rail special and Dio cast are great (if you use a mouse)
native ether
Woke: using a mouse with a controller
south comet
still waiting for the ddr pad hades streams
what would be harder, Hades on a ddr mat or Hades on a steering wheel controller
forest marsh
DDR, I think
atomic panther
Ddr for sure
south comet
hmm ok.
hard holly
To my knowledge, no fighting game player has ever played with a DDR
grand patrol
tbh id love to dance dance my way thru tartarus
green birch
can you imagine the workout
south comet
that way wen u fight meg you can technically say u danced with her 
green birch
Dance battle Tartarus edition
hard holly
"Hades: Dancing all unspecified time frame since we dont actually know if its day or night"
grand patrol
yes good
trim ingot
Dancing with the damned
grand patrol
me: miss tisi 😍 may i please have this dance? 👯
tisi: (pulls me into a low dip and then stabs me)
trim ingot
New reality tv show
can we alectango 👯
green birch
Gosh I wish I wasn't tied to Serendipitea cause otherwise I would change my online presence to Alectango right here right now
grand patrol
😂
formal hill
ive seen people play crypt of the necrodancer with a dancepad, but i Cant even imagine hades with one....
hard holly
What if the next weapon is a rhythmic weapon
As in, if you keep a certain rhythm with your hits, it does more damage
formal hill
hmm, i think that might be difficult to impliment,
but I could see spacing out your button taps for the main attack as something that could work
plucky oxide
Bow, technically.
hard holly
Yeah thats the idea
hard holly
Also spawn a miniature dolphin and the shade of elvis presley while youre keeping up the rhythm
formal hill
but instead of one-- hah
trim ingot
Music gun
formal hill
I would like the idea of maybe something like a brass knuckles kinda thing!
plucky oxide
You are the weapon. Zag's groove costs seven keys to unlock.
trim ingot
The last weapon has to be demeter's old weapon
formal hill
since we have
bow, gun
spear shield
sword
trim ingot
Boring: scythe
Cool: lawnmower
formal hill
sword is the only one with no real like, distance move, imo?
so if it was something in that way, i think it'd be cool :3
trim ingot
Just a tractor zag can ride and run over enemies with
formal hill
but i dont know how youd tie it into mythos
formal hill
match big bro 😍
south comet
im still hoping for maybe a caduceus cause its so cool looking
trim ingot
Lawnmower for zag 2020
formal hill
oi was going to suggest chakram but that would likely play like shield
green birch
hoola hoop
formal hill
meteor hammer could be cool but not same time period really : p
trim ingot
Yeah I thought scythe could play like a boomerang but shield again
Some kind of weapon with flail physics would be fun
south comet
oooooh that could be cool
trim ingot
Scythe on the end of a chain
south comet
what about weaponized gorgon
trim ingot
Oh god those videos of kitten machine guns
hard holly
Scythe for sweet spot damage mechanics
trim ingot
But the kitten is dusa
south comet
omg yea
hard holly
Nah, you just swing Dusa around like a flail
south comet
but shes frowning
safe trellis
The perfect Athena/Artemis build. When every single thing you do deflects, "guaranteed crits after you deflect" takes on a whole different meaning.
https://imgur.com/a/GCGwj5W
atomic panther
Athena cast is still my favorite boon to combo with that because of its absolutely ridiculous base damage
willow wagon
Has anyone else had survival encounters finish, only to then be struck by projectiles which haven't despawned and cost 1 lifeline?
im so damn frustrated now
could have gotten my kill on 60 heat
light aspen
m e
native ether
thats mega rip
light aspen
gave me the big sad
native ether
on the flipside, finally beat a 60 heat run lol
native ether
got a spreadshot rail with Athena attack modifier and just boosted its level to the roof
also helped to get Athena cast and Artemis on the special and I was able to just tell all the wave hydra heads to heck off
willow wagon
Do you guys know if it's possible to get two duo boons in a single run?
willow wagon
Im trying to get the dream. 100% Crit chance from Artemis and Athena, and homing whirlwind of death from Ares and Artemis
wintry swan
Okay I think I dont understand how heat gates work
I went into one with Daedelus hammer as one of my possible rewards on the other chamber options
I failed the challenge
and the options for the next chambers do not include daedelus hammer at all. In fact they are darkness and keys
Which means that I skipped a temporary upgrade room for permanent currency?
regal nexus
Heat gates are their own room
If you succeed, you get a reward that is far more powerful than normal. Afterwards, there is a choice between 3 rewards for the next room, the game just proceeds as normal. So if you went into a heat gate at floor 10, you come out at floor 12.
wintry swan
Oh wait the reward itself is more powerful? That makes sense
regal nexus
Yeah, heart containers/coin rewards are doubled, poms and god boons are weighted towards the higher end of rare-epic
unkempt pagoda
poms also increase the rarity of a boon
wintry swan
nice
woeful stirrup
Yes.
woeful stirrup
@tepid fiber There's two pools of items. Darkness, heat, key and ambrosia will always reroll as one of the others. If you want it to be useful for your run, use the rerolls on boons or money. Not the game's fault you're always rerolling the wrong thing. Also, as there's now a darkness sink (the Fated Authorities), you're always gonna need darkness (although it's better to get it with the Broker than to waste rerolls on that).
tepid fiber
I see
after I wrote down that I thought it might work like that
I still feel like it shouldnt work that way money and boons are always useful I feel like it's unnecessary to reroll them
woeful stirrup
Boons you can reroll into another god's boon. Money you can reroll into a Centaur Heart or Pom of Power, both more expensive than what a money room gives you. Plus, if you're playing on high Heat, you usually have items 100% more expensive. 75 obols is nearly useless.
plush blaze
Used to be, think it still is
tepid fiber
nice
pastel jolt
personally i don't play with heat so i feel fairly secure in rerolling hearts into other things
hard holly
On high heat hearts arent very useful anyway
turbid needle
I feel the wrath gauge is a bit too hard to build
I don't mind it being at zero each time yoou enter a room
woeful stirrup
It's not really hard to build. Once in Asphodel, you can usually get it completely full every single room.
pearl willow
The funny thing about wrath is the amount you gain appears to scale off damage done (and maybe overkill as well?) which often means you're able to generate it most easily on runs that are already most likely to be successful. It's a little bit of a win-more synergy - and runs where you would arguably want/need it the most are those where you probably can't build it as reliably.
atomic panther
It is with Death Defiances
Not if your wrath is Invulnerability
S-tier strategy right there
To clarify, I am 100% joking. Do not do this.
pearl willow
by overkill i meant overkill damage on enemies (eg: dealing 200 damage when they have 20 HP left), im not sure if you get wrath credit for it or not.
atomic panther
You do
willow wagon
The high priest of world splitter should know xd
atomic panther
:3
pastel crane
How do you get the early access role?
south comet
check the pins in the #hades-feedback channel
pastel crane
On occasion, does anyone else seem to be having issues with rail not connecting with certain hitboxes from the side? It seems to happen to me with brimstones.
pearl willow
When attacking floating enemies from either side you kind of have to aim at their 'shadow' so to speak and not their sprite. If you just point and click on the enemy itself you'll often end up shooting 'beyond' or 'behind' it. I screw it up all the time even now lol.
sand timber
Had my best run so far with an ideal combo of powers for me, and still didn't quite beat the final boss. Feelsbad.jpg
lost rose
with every run you get better! keep at it~
atomic panther
It took until around my 60th run to beat the boss in Asphodel. After 130 runs, I decided to start another file (to get all the new Murder Death Kill content at a proper pace) and beat it my 3rd run. You really do get better with time and with experience.
lost rose
Same!! It also took me 63 or 64 runs to beat the hydra the first time and now I can get it on the 3rd or 4th
atomic panther
Ven, are we the same person?
lost rose
maybe so! 
atomic panther
lost rose
forest marsh
Y'all should just switch nicknames
lost rose
and abandon my boy???? never
subtle shale
so I've been out of the loop for a little bit but like
is Deadly Reversal supposed to be so nuts
cuz I just rolled it with the Athena Wrath boon and...oof
forest marsh
It is pretty crazy, yeah
plucky oxide
It's far superior to every other duo boon in terms of dps-spike.
subtle shale
I got it with both Athena Special and Athena Wrath using the sword
and Flurry Blade Zeus
everything died
safe mesa
that sounds incredible
plucky oxide
Turns out you just need a source of deflection to get the duo boon from Artemis.
You don't even need a base crit chance. I've had it happen to me twice now.
atomic panther
Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous
woeful stirrup
@light nova You've got plenty of choices for boons. Reduced trap damage? For a beginner who keeps going into the lava by accident, it's far more valuable than a deflect on an ability they don't know how to use well. Not all boons have to be great. Some can just be moderately useful.
Artemis' Exit Wounds is not really useful. Poseidon's Boiling Point is useless if you don't get hit. All the revenge damage boons are mostly useless for experienced players. Dionysus' After Party is very circumstantial. Athena's reduced trap damage boon is no different. You don't want it, just don't take it.
icy edge
I swear upon Zag's 50 deaths, I'll pom sure footing as many times as I can just to prove you wrong @light nova
light nova
How many damage you need to absorb with it to say "yea, this is the cool boon!"?
100? 200?
When u can take lightning rush or something else
icy edge
It's flavorful and very useful for some playstyles
icy edge
For example, holding your ground and sniping or charging with shield in asphodel is tricky due to the occasional lava blobs - sure footing usually gets you an extra half-second to land the blow and reposition
light nova
I've done my first 120 heat with shield and i can swear that you can move for a second wherever you want from lava if you got in to it.
This is not really about how bad this boon, this is about how good other boons in comparison with sure footing.
woeful stirrup
With both boons at their maximum potential but with no poms, that's 55 damage per second. Not too bad, but definitely not a major DPS gain. Pretty much any other Artemis boon would be better than Exit Wounds. I'm not saying Exit Wounds should not be in the game, just that every god has some boons that will nearly always not be as good as the other boons. Athena's Sure Footing is no different.
light nova
Exit wounds is good boon because
- You can get more cast shots from Artemis and Chaos
- If you play with melee weapon you can hit range enemies from distance
- You can decrease time drop of cast from monsters to cast again.
- Also as its Artemis boon you probably will get crits for that damage too.
And then we go back to the Sure Footing. How does it help to us some other way? No how.
woeful stirrup
That's assuming you get 4 Artemis boons in a single run.
And always get the one you want in the list.
(given that there's been times where the first Attack boon I've seen was in Asphodel, I don't like those odds)
hollow totem
light nova
Yes, this is always a better option if its the same rarity and you need it. Actually i would like to see 75/100/125 damage from it.
That's an idea
hard holly
Exit Wound is probably among the worst boons in the game
Simply because by the time it happens, the enemy is most likely dead anyway
Or in an invuln phase if its a boss
atomic panther
I do find it very useful, especially when I'm at high heat and I need to play very cautiously. In my eyes, it's another 100 damage on my cast as long as I take my fights slow (which I do anyway)
light nova
+1 ofc only high heat runs, on low or without heat it usefull the same as Sure footing
hard holly
Honestly, I dont play much more cautiously at high heat either (well, except for Alecto, but she is impossible anyway)
light nova
She is the only one boss which i cant kill without get a hit
Too fast, tooooooooooooooo fast
light nova
She's like Sonic vs Tails
hard holly
Im like 99% sure some of her attacks cant be avoided at all
light nova
and im tails...
I cant avoide 90% of time her close aoe attack
cleave attack i mean
hard holly
Even at high whipped frenzy, you have just enough time to avoid it
Its the Rage Mode that messes things up
light nova
Im not even talking about not rage mode 😄
When she is calm everything is fine
But then SHE IS THE FLASH
hard holly
Mmh
Regular Rage Mode is just enough
I mean, just fast enough that it can still be avoided
It is easy to get hit though
native ether
On Exit Wounds, I think it would be super good if there was a way to speed up cast dislodging
But usually I get something like crit chance on all damage or crit on special/attack and I'll just prefer that consistency over waiting.
forest marsh
Exit Wounds + Quick Reload is ok, otherwise I tend to avoid it
wind vortex
Neither of them are good on their own though, hell the one that makes casts exit faster is kind of bad if you have boiling blood
pure fox
does exit wounds have any effects on tipsy shot tho 
proud storm
the cast needs to enter the target for exit wounds to work
so no it wont work with dio's cast
unkempt pagoda
also not ares's cast
wind vortex
Shame, that would be a pretty crazy synergy
pearl willow
That was a cool run. Level 4 epic aphro cast + sweet surrender builds wrath fast and nukes pretty well. I just wish I'd gotten some more cast charges.
formal citrus
hi, is it ok to post feedback with screenshots and things, I forgot that the game has a hotkey for bug reporting
icy edge
@formal citrus bugs, I think, are mostly reported with the hotkey menu, as its specifically designed to send the relevant data to SGG
If its a easily reproducible gameplay bug, then the feedback channel should be ok
pearl willow
man i do not like the rail, everytime those little animation locks just get me murdered.
opal lark
I feel like I'm not patient enough for anything that isnt the sword
forest marsh
I feel like I'm not patient enough to use the sword
opal lark
I just dash attack all day
forest marsh
Conveniently, also the bow strategy
atomic panther
Smh these people using Rail to attack instead of for its special 😔
pastel jolt
rail special is hell to aim with controller
lost rose
☝
atomic panther
Okay that's fair
lost rose
I sometimes use it but only to hope it lands somewhere near an enemy because i do NOT have the time to maneuver it
it's crapshoot damage
regal nexus
Tbf rail special locks even longer, sometimes it's best to just keep dashing and firing 1-2 shots at a time
Takes ages, but it gets the job done eventually
light nova
Guys, do everyone have missing animation of immortality for all Fury bosses? Because i have it all the time on Hydra, but it doesnt active on sisters if i dont hit them. Bug or something else?
hard forge
oof
found a synergy between the shotgun upgrade from the rail and the poseidon boon, it knocks ennemy away so powerfully it is just fun :3
sand timber
First win over the Hydra.
http://imgur.com/p1KCgan
grand patrol
👏 🙌 
plush blaze
Well done!
fading stratus
Amazing defence build. https://imgur.com/a/oF7E8mN
proud storm
2/10 no athena wrath
woeful stirrup
Damn you people and your duo boons I never ever get 
fading stratus
You can look at the wiki what boons need to get duo boons
vivid thunder
i wanna share what could be the sexiest build i can ever make https://imgur.com/a/H4eVPX8
it all loops into critical -> wrath buildup -> athena wrath -> more crits again and i love it
coarse hare
Wow sexy indeed. I love Rapid Shot. I feel like I can't really use bow well without it.
What Pact of Punishment options do people recommend to start with for someone new to using heat? I'm just starting off at 10 heat and already having a hard time. Seems like there might be some that are easier than others.
regal nexus
Low darkness, more enemies, more enemy health are some of the easier ones
They'll get you to 60 heat with a relatively low difficulty increase
coarse hare
Okay thanks! I was wary about more enemy health because that means longer boss fights....😰
woeful stirrup
I know what boons I need, Houstan. I get them in half my runs. Same for the prerequisite to legendary boons. I'm just really unlucky. In nearly 100 runs, I've seen Poseidon's legendary twice. That's it, never seen any other legendary or any duo boon.
shadow heath
i just beat the hydra with a really lame sword build
darn screenshot didnt take but i had like
aphrodite's attack, ares's special, and zeus's revenge damage and that was it
I've never been more surprised
errant narwhal
@light nova not sure I understand your feedback fully, but you can remind the controls for wrath if you want
ohhhh wait, do you mean like, have them follow the mouse?
pearl willow
man i feel so much worse at the game when i try to use the thanatos trinket lol
lost rose
Thanatos wants you to Be Careful
I do think its rly funny to compare the intent behind the butterfly as opposed to, like, the skull earring
meg: take this, if you let yourself get punched in the face a bunch, it'll power you up.
than: take this. please stop getting hit so much. idiot.
forest marsh
Than wants you to be careful, Meg wants you to die in a fire
lost rose
thanks than, but i'm not being reckless i'm just bad at games
grand patrol
like onion has a positive either way (either u get prize, or HAHA ONION), thannys is buildup or nothing
lost rose
so maybe the onion is actually more effective
grand patrol
oh kfkfngmh the onion doesnt work on me bc i enjoy getting it too much
lost rose
Speaking of which does anybody else just go absolutely feral in thanatos rooms trying to beat him
I eat so many hits so i can steal his kills
wind vortex
Yeah I’m very guilty of that
grand patrol
SAME
lost rose
it makes him worry which, like, SORRY BUT I HAVE MY PRIDE
grand patrol
tbh so much goes on in those contests i just spam attack bc idk where hes hitting
wind vortex
Still not sure about the right way to play those rooms
pearl willow
man that is like three rooms in a row that i failed after taking a single tiny hit D:
grand patrol
either i pay attention to him or to the enemies and like dude i wana gift you!!
pearl willow
and i basically give up against thanatos unless i have a ton of damage in my build
wind vortex
Sometimes my build is just crazy enough to win the room without trying but most of the time and with certain weapons like rail IDK how to win
forest marsh
Sometimes you just can't beat Death