Are the wrath abilities more like super moves or like Devil Trigger? (Or are there some of each!)
#h1-builds-and-combat
raven spoke
placid pike
Artemis and Athena? Both vestal goddess
hollow totem
Both gods of war
placid pike
True
placid pike
Dio and Poseidon are both carefree guys
placid pike
Eh?
gilded sandal
AHH I JUST WANNA TRY ALL THIS NEW STUFF! I HAVE TO AVOID THIS CHAT TILL WORKS OVER
gilded sandal
It's hard not to tbh...but i cant even play it right now xD
placid pike
Yep still waiting on the update to install
hard holly
Uh
Why did I get a Poseidon boon with Zeus's keepsake?
I see
Its to introduce the new mechanic
analog crystal
Is it a duo boon?
native swallow
Its the wrath mechanic
analog crystal
Does the reload still stutter your dash or not?
hard holly
Nope
analog crystal
Niiiice, i hated that before
dire mason
Hey @hard holly just a heads up that reload is defaulted on R and Wrath is actually defaulted on F.
hard holly
On controller its both defaulted to r2
dire mason
I see! Would you be willing to edit to specify?
high pulsar
Possible silly question; how do you use wrath? Whenever I press the button, it says I can't. Do I have to fill up the bar below my health?
regal nexus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453609837016645643/555111228213821474/unknown.png
Wait excuse me, +174%?
regal nexus
The chaos buff is looking real nice
native swallow
yeah
high pulsar
Ah, I see.
native swallow
120 on dash damage is sweet
hard holly
The problem with wrath so far
Is that the rage meter depletes between rooms
And Ive yet to actually be able to fill it up enough once
native swallow
Its more impactful on high heat because when you run the extra enemies pact
theres like a million enemies in every room
subtle shale
oh hey it would be a shame of there were to just be five armored Skull-O-Mats right hear next to all of these Gorgon heads
like seriously Shared Misery turns every room with Skull-O-Mats in it into Dynasty Warriors
regal nexus
The effect is actually quite powerful, but having to charge it up every room I'd rather just have a different boon early on and get wrath later in the run
native swallow
and every stupid numbksull gets a 2 hit shield
so it takes forever to bust through them all
hard holly
Even with the miniboss I didnt get enough
rich lantern
@hard holly Does remapping not work for reload and Wrath? I guess the downside is you'd also be remapping Gift to rt-thumbstick. But they should be remappable!
hard holly
It does work
It was just weird that the button was shifted over to such an uncomfortable place
Given that youll be reloading much more than wrathing, I think swapping the buttons makes more sense
subtle shale
^
old rivet
Cant you remap it?
rich lantern
But thank you for clarifying!
Just making sure that remapping could help, and wasn't mysteriously broken! I appreciate the explanation!
old rivet
go to tech support
light nova
yea
kind fiber
What duo boons are out now?
I found a Zeus/Posiedon boon that I got from Zeus causing my knockback effects to strike my foes with lightning for 20 damage
regal nexus
There's also a poseidon buff for 50% wrath gain rate, probably scales to 100% by epic
tropic cape
old rivet
I f this game is ever moded there must be a mod where they change the sound of that to pacman
analog crystal
They look very slick
turbid needle
hmmm it would be nice for the records to be erased (or even choose to erase records)
regal nexus
Hurrah, the mini gold jars in asphodel have finally been fixed
regal nexus
😂
subtle shale
furries
lost finch
one of the new furies sure gave me hell, oof.
regal nexus
Megaera, the furry
subtle shale
I mean, Pan exists in the myths so...
regal nexus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453609837016645643/555122190278983690/unknown.png
Not a high heat run, but thoughts so far:
Wrath is great later on as a "screw you I have invincibility frames" move, and nigh on useless early. It'd be nice if it didn't even have the chance to spawn as an option in the first few floors imo, since you won't be able to charge it anyways. Triple shot might make wrath charge too quickly for what it's worth.
The bow's nerf to projectile clearing may have gone a bit far. I sat around the hydra room for a while to see what it was like, and even with triple shot there were many occasions where it felt like my projectiles passed right through the hydra ones, I'm fairly certain the projectiles aren't clearing for their full visual width. The special still works just fine for clearing, but normal attacks are much more finnicky now.
Alecto was surprisingly tough! I think it's largely because the arena is so small, her attack pattern itself isn't anything crazy and even waiting around her room for a while she doesn't spawn too many mobs, but the small room with spike traps lining the walls makes it tricky. It's really nice to see more bosses than just Meg for floor 1.
Giving hydra heads a longer tell for their bite attacks was a very welcome change. Messed around on the 6 head phase for a while and it felt much more fair than before, as the heads won't just randomly snap at you mid-dash without offering time to react now.
Chaos boons are fantastic now, and I hope the possibility of all 3 options having a dash health penalty is gone after the changes. Ended up gaining just over 900 darkness in this run alone, despite only being on 60 heat and not getting the Poseidon darkness gain boon.
Finally, Thanatos seems like a great addition. His challenge rooms may be impossible if you get particularly unlucky with boons/hammer not spawning, but even then you'd get the regular room clear reward. I'm glad he simply doubles the reward if you succeed rather than removing what you would get if you fail.
burnt forge
rich lantern
@upbeat coyote I believe the description for those Chaos boons include "After Encounters", but that may be a confusing aspect
upbeat coyote
When I read the blurb it says any currency you "find". It probably does say that in the original text though, thanks for responding.
turbid needle
I just got a double boon, athena/artemis, give 100% crit for 2 sec after I deflect
pretty strong !
strong hornet
oh god tisiphone was something that took me by suprise
intresting fight atleast
maybe not best run to have healing reduction enabled :P
burnt forge
It's over powered that duo boon
rotund ravine
Not sure if this is the right place to say this but the boss Inferno Bombers or whatever theyre called instantly died for me.. i mean i dont mind it but im certain it was a bug
spiral slate
how the heck do I use wrath abilities? It keeps telling me "not ready" but I dunno how to make it ready
quaint gale
you have a new meter under your health, you need to hit the requisite amount first
spiral slate
it doesn't go up in rooms either :V
regal nexus
Do you have a boon that gives a wrath ability already?
indigo compass
hey guys anyone having trouble with dashing after attacking with the rail gun? seems half the time when i just press dash once fast after an atk it doesent happen
hollow totem
Lil tip
if you're running zeus wrath
using up a death defiance can extend it a lil bit if you want that extra bit of damage
quaint gale
https://i.imgur.com/BD65i5U.jpg so much dash damage, my WORD
high pulsar
I just tried out Dionysus' wrath. That is way too much fun, although it gets a little hard to see.
quasi knoll
what it do?
forest marsh
Barrage of Blight Wine in an area around you for a duration
It's fun, but does obscure the fight quite a lot
forest marsh
As in you just found it? Or have yet to see it?
regal nexus
Athena legendary is probably the single best boon in the game
Saviour of high heat runs
autumn tapir
do god keepsakes not apply to the first reward immediately after leaving the house of hades? I equipped the ares keepsake and got poseidon instead
forest marsh
It's scripted to introduce you to Wrath on first run of the patch
Your god keepsakes will work normally after your first run
icy edge
Yeah, Chaos is worthwhile again
Got a rare that was like 1 dmg on dash but 30% for rare or better boons
Insanity
The worst part? The game doesnt feel too easy
regal nexus
That's the real nice thing about the pact
icy edge
I don't get it why they dont do that in every game ever
Dishonored 2 did it, SGG G's did it... and I dont recall any other games.
It extends shelf life sooo much and builds so much loyalty
kind fiber
Has anyone got the duo boons? I only got the zeus/posiedon boon so far
regal nexus
Not found any in 3 runs so far
green granite
Got the artemis and Athena one. But then again everyone has seemingly
kind fiber
Artemis's wrath ability offers a large amount of burst damage
forest marsh
I enjoy it
turbid needle
When you get so comfortable using the bow you die in room four with the blade 😬
kind fiber
Feels like one of the better designed ones
woeful stirrup
First time playing since the Good Times Update, is it just me or is the game way easier than it was now?
woeful stirrup
I took it because I wanted to meet the God of Grenades. Couldn't take a god's keepsake, and it was one of the keepsakes I had not leveled.
spiral slate
god of grenades?
also the game does feel easier cause they took some of the unfairness out of some encounters
like how the hydra doesn't spam projectiles as often anymore
woeful stirrup
But yeah, this run, I didn't have much in the way of damage boosts and pumped everything into Ocean's Bounty, I even took a Chaos boon right before the Hydra because they still didn't put a room counter, but I still had all my Death Defiances after beating the Hydra.
indigo compass
anyone having framerate issues in asphodel? hydra fight with ares cast was giving me very low frames like 15-10ish
rich lantern
@woeful stirrup There's a room counter if you bring up your Boon Info and look in the upper right corner of the screen.
south comet
im not sure yet
subtle shale
So what's the sword damage look like now?
spiral slate
apparently it's viable now
woeful stirrup
Oh, thanks Morgan, nice to know, I'll look at that next time before picking a Chaos boon 
woeful stirrup
Alright, time to unlock that fifth weapon and see what all the fuss is about.
south comet
holy cow. i got the knockback special from poseidon on my bow and just got a duo with zeus that makes my knockbacks do extra lighting damage. i am OBLITERATING ROOMs this is sooooo fun
kind fiber
@spiral slate As far as I can tell, running into thanatos is no different from any other challenge room
hard holly
He is a random challenge room
There doesnt appear to be any special rule
Just that sometimes, a room is a Than room
subtle shale
I might actually have to take a break from DMC5 to try this new patch
give my bae the Sword a good breaking in
kind fiber
His keepsake seems like its pretty good if you are very mindful about how you play
Anyone know what the other duo boons are?
icy edge
So wait... thanatos rooms are effectively freebies in asphodel?
hasty mauve
Seems like it
icy edge
60 heat here i come
(Gets obliterated by Meg)
spiral slate
just regular challenge rooms?
like he can replace the uhhh
survive for x time rooms?
forest marsh
Yup
Except I think you can only get max 1 Thanatos room per run
At least, I haven't ever had 2
analog crystal
Does anyone know if tier 3 butterfly is +3% per room?
forest marsh
It's 2%
forest marsh
I think so, but I don't actually recall
analog crystal
Still a damn good keepsake, thanks!
forest marsh
It's very good, my current favourite
On non-heat runs I can usually eke out 20% or more damage by the time I hit the Fury fight
woeful stirrup
Okay, I take back what I said about the game becoming too easy. Tisiphone is an absolute beast.
forest marsh
Tissy 
Yeah, she's rough
woeful stirrup
My special rail build was kinda useless against her.
forest marsh
Oh yeah, 
special rail vs fast movers
woeful stirrup
Ended it with 28 HP.
regal nexus
T2 is 1.5%, yeah
kind fiber
@analog crystal It is 1.5
woeful stirrup
I had Alecto on the previous run, and she's easier than Meg.
kind fiber
Its weird how they share the same animations for distinct attacks, makes it difficult to understand how to avoid them
analog crystal
Tisiphone is my fave of the 3 atm gameplay wise and Alecto aesthetics wise
turbid needle
So what do you guys try to do? Collect a ton of keys to unlock everything so that you can just trade them off?
Or go for another resource first?
I'm trying the key method and trying to get obols for those cosmetics in the room 
forest marsh
Try to get the most utilitarian Mirror upgrades first, is my advice
Like max dash, shadow presence
Chthonic Vitality
Death Defiance
regal nexus
Yeah, dash is priority 1. You can do just fine on any heat with only dash and maybe death defy, the rest are bonus
kind marten
So wrath charges per attack? Not per damage? I just had a Dio, Ares cast rail run and Athena Wrath charged suuuuper quickly. So does wrath synergizes with positively with fast attacks and is not as good with, say, shield?
regal nexus
There is some damage factored in
analog crystal
I think there is cus when I was doing 150 with bow I was gaining 3 wrath charge per hit
regal nexus
A single high damage hit will gain a fair amount of wrath, but several mid damage ones seem to gain more
kind marten
A crap-ton of low-damage hits does the trick real well too.
fossil moat
check it
kind marten
But it's good to know that big hitters also give a good amount. My first run with shield charges pretty slowly, though.
fossil moat
civic wraith
omg
fossil moat
found a duo if you wannna know
cursive citrus
what to heck
fossil moat
dio into zues
cursive citrus
are these legendary rarity?
analog crystal
I've not got a single duo yet, is it just get 2 gods and the next boons has a chance?
analog crystal
Gimme the darn duo game
cursive citrus
plush blaze
The Athena/Artemis duo is legit insane
errant narwhal
if you dont know how to post in the feedback channel, refer to the pins 
the feedback should go there
analog crystal
Aphros wrath seems kinda weak
pseudo crow
@bitter cloak you should put that in #hades-feedback
fossil moat
it's good for garaunteed boss stuns
forest marsh
Aphro wrath is really best on bosses, not so great on mobs
fossil moat
aphro wrath
pseudo crow
i don't think they'll see it here
errant narwhal
yeah, supergiant only see the feedback left in the feedback channel, it would be wayyy too difficult to search for other feedback across all channels
hard holly
Ive yet to see a duo :S
regal nexus
Even on hydra, aphro wrath seems like hot garbage compared to the iframes from other wraths
really just shines on the furies
plush blaze
Yeah it's new
bitter cloak
fixed it. Sorry about that.
civic wraith
its really good with zeus cast
pseudo crow
no prob
analog crystal
Sounds even better with Ares
turbid needle
what's the better god in your opinion with the sword now ?
plush blaze
^
fossil moat
doing 80 dmg consistently
turbid needle
i will give a try immediatly !
fossil moat
i like the ramp up: 20 > 25 > 30
pseudo crow
the sword really feels a lot better now
pseudo crow
eyyy nice
hollow totem
where's kimo
hard holly
I just realized
With thanatos in the game, and with wraths as an option
This game has now gotten quite anime
hollow totem
WE been anime
pseudo crow
why thanatos
hollow totem
since meg was a tsundere
errant narwhal
hot take but meg isnt tsundere
analog crystal
Shes just brutal
pseudo crow
meg is just Like That
hard holly
Nah, Meg is just sick of your stuff
woeful stirrup
My first adamant rail run was a bit slow.
Special seems very efficient on bosses, not so much on those freaking bombers jumping around everywhere 
pseudo crow
woah the bow one is hella fast
true about the rail special, not useful at all on enemies that move around lots ):
unless you can anticipate where they're going but
turbid needle
I just beat my time with the sword ! 11:18! Got epic dash artemis first then double attack on dash with the hammer !!
200x2 damages on crit ! So fun and powerful !
I'm in love with the sword now !
pseudo crow
the sword is much more fun this patch yeah
i find that the athena boon where the special deflects really useful against projectile enemies, specially that giant gorgon head fight 😩
woeful stirrup
Issue is, I should disable the auto-aim, 'cause I can't anticipate quickly with it on, since it starts auto-locked to the enemies.
subtle shale
tbh the dash attack change on sword is what made it really shine I think
whenever it's safer to just poke at enemies rather than dive right in I can use it to chip at them now
analog crystal
Its made the double hit 40% crit on dash attacks hammer boon great too
hard holly
What are the new values?
pearl willow
holy crap chaos boon offering +278% darkness for +73% more foes lol
subtle sierra
autumn tapir
Curse of Longing (curse effects refresh when they hit Weak foes) combined with Dire Misfortune (curse deals increased damage when applied multiple times) is a horrifying combo
subtle shale
@hard holly Sword now does 20-25-30 for each regular hit and the dash attack deals 30
I just tore the Hydra apart with a dash sword build and I didn't even get the right hammer upgrade
I also played pretty sloppily and took way more hits than I should've but like, that sword hits hard now
like with Hide Breaker I managed to tear all of the armor off the extra heads with a single dash crit
hard holly
Huh, noice
fossil moat
bout to start another run, got any duo boons?
hard holly
Is World Splitter still 80?
woeful stirrup
Pretty much everything hits hard now.
fossil moat
I know bout the dio + zues one, nothing else
woeful stirrup
Like, on my rail special run, I just shot my 3 bombs and stood next to the heads, got rid of all their armor with that easily.
Even on my bow run where I didn't have much damage, I got them down quite fast.
turbid needle
civic wraith
damn thats a quicky
turbid needle
dash activates double strike that has 90% chance and then also activates splitting botl
meaning that one dash can do 3 bolts and 3 splitting bolts
if u have 3 dashes...
subtle shale
I'm using Empowered Nova now and oof
I'm slaughtering everything
got the Wave Maker mini-boss and cleaved one of their armor off in one combo
I'd call it OP if I weren't at low heat and/or Vicious Skewer didn't exist
civic wraith
spear with artemis boons is best spear
autumn tapir
yep
finished in 16 minutes (personal best even though others have done faster) losing no death defiances and ending above 200 health
night pasture
I'm 11 rooms in and already due a crazy amount of damage https://imgur.com/a/5FoUcIn
sick gorge
holy i just finished a run with Aphrodite's Wrath that fact that it works on bosses breaks it XD
I hit meg with it and she just stood still and let me stab her in the back i hit the hydra with it it just stared at me while i stabbed it in the face
pseudo crow
omg +71% damage dang
forest marsh
@dusky drum There is still a reload button, the default mapping was just changed
dusky drum
forest marsh
It's mapped to R3 (Skelly room tutorial will show this, too, when you pick the AR up)
You can remap it to RT, but you'll have to change Wrath to something else
forest marsh
It was mentioned in the patch notes too, I believe (about the key map changing)
night pasture
the pierced butterfly, does it apply to ALL damage, or just attack damage?
civic wraith
is support fire new?
forest marsh
All damage I think, except it doesn't appear to affect curse damage
Support Fire is not new
civic wraith
ijust never found it huh
civic wraith
very fun
fossil moat
and also found out that although dio wrath is pretty awesome, kinda ruins my framerate 😫
to 25
civic wraith
my framerate has been crapping out a lot more since this update with all of the particle effects
fossil moat
true that
hard holly
That ... seems to be the weakest one by a lot
civic wraith
not if ur curse damage is super high
autumn tapir
it's super good
hard holly
Even then, ignoring the whole discussion about whether or not Ares curse effects are any good
You already want to just hit the enemy again anyway
So they will have another damaging curse coming anyway
civic wraith
yeah so more dps
autumn tapir
it's really nice against hydra's heads
hard holly
Well, no
autumn tapir
because you can fire and forget for a little bit
hard holly
This does nothing at all
Because curses dont stack
Youd have to go out of your way to not hit the enemy again
woeful stirrup
There's a boon that ups curse damage the more you inflict it to an enemy. Could work well on bosses.
hard holly
At which point youre just hamstringing yourself for the duo boon to have a payoff
static skiff
Seriously guys? We homing now?
hard holly
Oh, is there?
Thats at least 4 specific boons you need for a mildly relevant payoff
Cant say that that sounds very appealing
autumn tapir
it's a sort of supplement
if you are using an attack focused build with an aphrodite attack boon, and you happen to get an ares boon that gives you curse, you can hit them with the curse once and then keep making them weak
static skiff
There are so many enemies with homing ranged shots now its ridiculous.
hollow totem
My game has been lagging a lot more now that there are more particle effects
any reccomendations to optimize my game
i dont really know what else i can do
civic wraith
been having the same problem
hard holly
In theory, but you dont want an aphrodite attack boon, and you dont want an ares curse boon
hard holly
I mean sure, theyll just be weak
woeful stirrup
You don't seem to like fun UNOvven. Not everything is about min-maxing, you know.
hard holly
I dont find "dont attack the enemy to make your boon work" to be a very fun proposition
Besides, true, not everything is about minmaxing, but the problem is that Ares provides nothing but damage, and aphrodites effect is honestly not that relevatn
civic wraith
you dont have to just attack with ares boons either
hard holly
Their only redeeming qualities would be damage, but they dont even have that
Wouldve only preferred to have a blade rift related effect, those are at least actually fun
fossil moat
got an ares boon that multiplies curse dmg if stacking from multiple sources or soemthing
1 sec
hard holly
Maybe something like weak enemies act as blade rifts
civic wraith
thats really unbalanced if they do self damage because then you can just spawn blade rifts wherever you can apply weak effect
and have it slaughter everything including your target
hard holly
Well yeah
Its a duo boon
The other ones are already ludicrously busted
Why not have it be busted too
Lord knows the 2 gods need it
hard holly
Hm
Well, if you didnt have to rely on getting a specific boon
That would be interesting on rail
turbid needle
fossil moat
was just thinking that
since curse is flat dmg, then it should buff something with weak attack scaling
hard holly
Yup, the problem it has is that it also wants slow attacks
Because otherwise you just "waste" attacks
fossil moat
hmm
hard holly
But then a slow and low damage attack isnt worth using
And Ares finds itself without a niche
With that boon, it would be good on low damage fast attacks
But having to find that specific boon makes that more of a pipedream than anything else
hard holly
And Spear is far too good to use Ares
fossil moat
there's a couple above in the chat
hard holly
You can get easy 400+ damage crits on the return with spear if you go for Athena instead
fossil moat
yup, going aphro w/ return spear crits
w/ dmg booter on weakened targets
forward to weaken, backward crit boosted
opop
hard holly
Athena is quite a lot better
Since youre ranged, the only attacks you would have to worry about are ranged
And you deflect those
Plus you get more damage
upbeat junco
What do you guys think is the best duo?
upbeat junco
what does that one do?
hard holly
Youre welcome
fossil moat
tough tulip
I'm yet to find duo boons, any requirements?
hard holly
Its very effective
fossil moat
noted
fossil moat
once u reach asphodel ye
hard holly
In general
Because you dont get the return damage
Since you knocked the enemy away from your spear
fossil moat
you knock them toward you too
i tried that once
I think poseidon boon is best on dash, unless you wanna go dmg
i just like the utility
fossil moat
It is pretty funny ill admit thing is, it's the most keepaway build u can do
terse sphinx
Just got these two for the sword within the first 3 rooms. The whole run was just pressing q to win: https://i.imgur.com/DNZbDUU.png
fossil moat
@tough tulip boon requirements are basically, you need to have the boon of a god, but a specific type. The one I listed up there? I had dio's festive fog cast, then started getting lots of zues one's randomly, after about the 3rd, got the duo. The game will slightly push you toward the compatible god
if I had ignored the festive fog boons for instance, the game wouldn't have offered the duo boon
^Hope it help people
hard holly
Noice
terse sphinx
It's really nice that we no longer have to do the "oooh I want a casting boon, but I'd prefer a different god's".
hard holly
Dont we?
south gust
not 2 interupt you chat but have any1 tried 2 charm enemies when on the moveing platfor room? i just did and the charmed guys would just jump off the screen and returne some 5-6sec later... was really strange
terse sphinx
Well, now you have duos so at least there's some hope for getting the effect you want
fossil moat
charming the knockoff thwomps (I know they're cyclop's heads, but...eh) make them spaz out and start moving everywhere too, pretty creepy
night pasture
and it's like she's saying what I'm thinking
fossil moat
tsundere tisophone
pseudo crow
ah, you too enjoy torturing murderers for eternity?
grand patrol
mejwell see u at the wedding im marrying her too
stoic crest
I had the Zeus Duo which was pretty nice too.
south comet
mmmm... mmmarry?
grand patrol
AWWWW
stoic crest
I finally killed the hydra after 73 attempts
grand patrol
nice!!!!!!!!
fossil moat
congrats!!
stoic crest
thanks! took freaking forever because I'm a terrible gamer XD
fossil moat
zues dio, or zues poseidon?
hard holly
Yeah shield charge was smoothed out a while ago
fossil moat
nice
hard holly
It also lead to the single most fun build in the game
The one I like to call the "Eurobeat" build
fossil moat
athena sheild?
fossil moat
oh ye xD
hard holly
And just let the speed flow through you
stoic crest
the cast wound is a good boon to use too. I think athena gave that one
stoic crest
the dio splash stack?
it was pretty good. I didn't realize you can have two different stacks, I had the dash and special stacking
fossil moat
pretty nice that they all stack together....unlike some gods....looking at you ARES!!
terse sphinx
wait, does the shield charge not carry enemies with you anymore?
fossil moat
For a small distance, then afterward no
terse sphinx
bummer :/
woeful stirrup
Wait, how many rooms are there in a run again?
plush blaze
Dash attack sword is very nice
woeful stirrup
Weird, in my previous run I had 28.
Which is why I took a Chaos boon at room 20 this time.
Guess who's gonna face the Hydra taking damage every single dash?
hollow totem
Get rekt nerd
fossil moat
so that you wouldn't face hydra halfway through chaos boon
My suggestion, the floating raft battle should be hydra prep
woeful stirrup
Disregard Stabbing Strike, it was a "take 1 damage upon dash" until I beat the Hydra.
plush blaze
I think artemis wrath is one of my favourites
Zeus and Dionysus are also great
All 3 have a 0.2s IGT cast time
woeful stirrup
Athena wrath plus Zeus special worked really well. Activated the wrath, then spent 6 seconds point blank shooting with my special.
plush blaze
So you can just throw them out in combat
Also the Athena/Artemis duo procs crit on wraths too
Which makes sense given it's 100% crit chance on every attack type, but it's insane
woeful stirrup
Also, Athena's Last Stand saved my life on this one. Took way too much damage.
vestal snow
Have we figured out what charges the Wrath meter by default?
hollow totem
Uh damage
atomic panther
Dealing and taking damage charges it
atomic panther
Another problem solved by world splitter
Because you deal a bunch of damage and, since you're running the sword, take a bunch of damage
vestal snow
Okay, that's what I figured, just wasn't sure if there was something more subtle there, like alternating attacks or something
atomic panther
Not that we're aware of
fossil moat
high dmg spear builds (like crit) rack up so much wrath meter
obsidian terrace
do you guys think the cost of the chaos chambers should be balanced against cthonic vitality or something?
chrome viper
middle!
obsidian terrace
Cuz I think I actually gained a little health from the two-way trip.
regal nexus
I think the gates start at 6 damage so you can at most break even, could be mistaken though
woeful stirrup
Middle gave me 1 Heat. Shame on you for not picking a darkness one, Keeper.
autumn tapir
artemis boons seem so wildly powerful compared to everything else
every other boon has a unique mechanic while artemis is just BIG NUMBERS
woeful stirrup
Yep, can't gain health, they start at 6 and end at 15 or something.
hard holly
Well, crit is Artemis's mechanic
woeful stirrup
Also, I'm gonna pick a Chaos boon again, room 19. I like danger.
hard holly
She is alright, but usually has better choices
Her best boon is her dash boon or bow, and maybe crit-related boons on Vicious skewer
regal nexus
Artemis just gives damage, the other grant other benefits alongside (usually) smaller damage values
hollow totem
Kek
regal nexus
Oh true, forgot about Ares. Dio has utility mixed in though, with the slowing poisoned enemies and festive fog hitstunning them.
hard holly
I dont think he slows poisoned enemies
woeful stirrup
https://i.imgur.com/OKeCtCm.jpg
So, I did a thing. Full special spear build.
Most fun I've had in a while on this game
safe mesa
i miss meg already
terse sphinx
Does the screen where Hades says something mean and big text appears like "Oaf" mean anything or is it just flavor?
woeful stirrup
It means you're an oaf.
atomic panther
Flavor
terse sphinx
@safe mesa fo real. That one that rages is absolutely insane
lost rose
@terse sphinx They're implied to be flashbacks/memories of Zag's
usually bad ones.
I always interpreted it as him reminding himself why he's running
woeful stirrup
Don't worry, you'll get Meg back sometimes. And she'll sass you again.
Also, met Tanathos for the first time. I didn't ask you to help me, man, I could have cleared this room by myself without taking any damage. If anything, you killing a few enemies messed with my Multi Skewer.
safe mesa
i can’t seem to find thanatos
lost rose
He has a percent chance of showing up
woeful stirrup
He'll pop at some point, don't worry.
lost rose
Keep playing, you'll bump into him
lost rose
yeah
terse sphinx
okay wait is there a trick to fighting the new fury with rage? cuz like it seems once she's charged up it's like harder to dodge than any boss so far
pseudo crow
pray
woeful stirrup
She's the easiest of the three, imo.
pseudo crow
i like tisiphone’s fight best
safe mesa
i had a harder time with her than i had with the other two
tisiphone scares me
it’s unnerving
pseudo crow
and alecto summons louts which i absolutely despise
woeful stirrup
Tisiphone was the hardest. I wrecked Alecto with only spear special (with Multi Skewer and Heartbreak Flourish level 3).
safe mesa
i had a harder time fighting alecto mostly because of the giant cast she sends out
median shadow
Hello guys, what are your best 120 Heat builds ?
regal nexus
Hoo boy, got a 139% darkness mod on a 160 heat run
https://i.imgur.com/N04br0y.jpg
median shadow
By build, I meant what Punishment you prefer to pick
regal nexus
Oh, for 120 I suggest stifling, 50% enemy health, 50% enemy spawns, 100% shop cost, no healing, and 350% damage taken
regal nexus
Yeah, around 120+ you start to need a little bit of luck but if you get athena attack + artemis dash then you're set as long as you play alright
Even without athena attack, artemis dash + some attack mod + explosive shot or triple shot does the trick as well
median shadow
Okay thanks a bunch, will try it out
regal nexus
👍
safe mesa
ares’ wrath power is just zag revving up like a lawnmower engine
terse sphinx
ugh alecto is invincible for so much of the fight...
jade estuary
native swallow
These are the punishments I used for my 120 run
mightve been easier to take from the mirror but I got too accustomed to the buffs
for the actual run I found it more important to focus on poms than new boons
I finished the run with 2 unique god boons
woeful stirrup
Max Tenebrous Veil seems like an awful idea.
native swallow
Thats also why I went for poms
the first one is guranteed to modify your attack when you start a run
so I just took the rail and ran aeres charm
so I got his attack buff
and just pumped it up
dio would do the same thing with that build really
cursive citrus
first boon of a run guarunteed to mod attack?
regal nexus
I greatly dislike veil as well, put it off as long as possible
cursive citrus
i dont think it is
regal nexus
Not guaranteed, though it does seem more likely than usual
cursive citrus
ye there seems to be lots of interesting "guided rng" weighting in the boon system?
native swallow
It definitely was when I was doing it
cursive citrus
this a first room
lost rose
see i would dig into the rng but i value my spoiler-free existence
regal nexus
Resets keep the seed though
unless you mean you killed yourself instead of giving up
regal nexus
Ah fair
regal nexus
Trying to find a seeded athena legendary run for this 160 heat, but I hate mapping out the seed with veil
cursive citrus
well regardless theres a first room option with no attack mod there
first one i tried
regal nexus
It's just annoying more than anything lol
native swallow
yeah I dunno maybe it only works that with with TB?
regal nexus
Yeah, they do exist, just very rarely it seems
native swallow
or maybe it changed with the patch
regal nexus
Running veil right now and attack wasn't in room 1
It's been like that before patch too
had some 145 runs where there was no attack offered room 1, just had to kill the seed
native swallow
oh you know
I think it was that I found only special or attack on boon 1
which was what I wanted on the rail anyway
regal nexus
Ah, that's fair
valid burrow
Just a question, what exactly does Thanatos do? I didn't beat his score but still got my regular reward and continued. Do you get anything extra by beating his score?
valid burrow
well the chamber reward was a centaur heart in my case lol
regal nexus
Yeah, you get a second one that way
woeful stirrup
Yep, he gives you a centaur heart for beating him.
worn fulcrum
@primal cape Are you sure you aren't confusing the per-tick and per-second numbers?
wet tartan
Has the rail always been so inaccurate?
regal nexus
It's a tough decision now since athena wrath is incredible
Unfortunately the hammer was the crap this time
woeful stirrup
You won't get her wrath. Just crap.
edgy thunder
hi all - is wrath supposed to disappear at end of a room?
radiant night
Yup!
edgy thunder
gotcha gotcha
woeful stirrup
Yes, which is why you won't be able to use it much at the start of a run. I guarantee that once you get to later rooms, you'll have more than enough enemies with enough HP to use your wrath, sometimes even 3 or 4 times in a single room.
radiant night
It helps with actually getting you to use it instead of hoarding it (like I would do if it didn't disappear)
edgy thunder
that makes sense - I'm 3 rooms in right now! anticipating using it alot against bone hydra
edgy thunder
do y'all have any pref wraths rn?
primal cape
found it nvm
regal nexus
Athena for sure, the invincibility is super useful
primal cape
@worn fulcrum https://imgur.com/a/y5cuB3k
worn fulcrum
I think it does 22 damage per tick, but ticks 10 times per second
and they just made that change in this patch
primal cape
my point is
it does 22 damage per second
and it says it's 220
you're right
I haven't read patch notes
It hits way more than once per second
tepid fiber
anyone get any duo blessings yet?
primal cape
and they implemented it anyways
I think I have a duo blessing but i'm not sure? my pic is above
the zeus charge bonus with the poseideon charge
radiant night
There is No Death
cursive citrus
that was the ezest hydra fight, athena wrath is silly
primal cape
Lol omg
south comet
thanatos would like to know your location
cursive citrus
lmao
primal cape
I'm having a pretty lucky run I bumped down the difficulty so then I could see past 2nd boss
wet tartan
He just wants to talk
primal cape
I have slicing shot with 6 casts
tepid fiber
yes
cursive citrus
scales vs big boyes
crystal edge
Went into the Meg fight with Aphrodite's wrath equipped - turns out you can charm her. And you get some new voice lines from it.
I spent WAY longer than I needed in that boss fight trying to get all of them out of her
crystal edge
time to find out
radiant night
omg
winter folio
me, in a voice call with @crystal edge right now, reading that with my own two eyes: "i want to die"
in reference to zag-san uwu
radiant night
zag-sama pwease dont huwt mwee
winter folio
c u r s e d
cursive citrus
i wanted to die typing it but it needed to be done
winter folio
you know what? you are valid, and i respect that
for real tho i am so excited about new dialogue like that....... aaaaAAAA
wet tartan
Zag sempai noticed meeeee
crystal edge
it's hydra time boyo
cursive citrus
glhf
lost rose
Nope
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/555242860300206081/unknown.png
I'm gonna meet him guys here we go
south comet
i clutched my chest when i read that
placid pike
Turns out the slow-mo effect for killing the hydra also applies to when you shoot the rail's special. Meaning you can get a close-up shot od the missile slowly falling down ontop of him.
pearl herald
two new bosses are such a pain in high heat runs,way harder than meg when it comes to not getting hit
cursive citrus
ye i had been playing whipped frenzy for the whole last patch
doesnt seem so feasible
pearl herald
really isn't,both of them are broken with it for different reasons
the rage one just breaks during rage with whipped frenzy,the other one's stun into dash becomes a complete joke to dodge and very unreliable
woeful stirrup
Are there any special voicelines if you die during a Thanatos room?
Is Cerberus gonna have to share with the Hydra now?
placid pike
Yeah, Tissy's danmaku attack is hell to dodge. A no-hit or increased damage run with her would be rough.
Thanatos does have a line if you tie with him.
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/555244654669463574/unknown.png
Tons of damage
woeful stirrup
I wanna know if there are lines if you die in a room with him... guess I'm gonna have to waste a run on that 
placid pike
Tons of damage
Still can't one-shot an armored skullhead
woeful stirrup
You need some Ares in your life.
placid pike
It's a fact
There's no bleed over damage from breaking armour
So you'll always need at least 2 hits to kill one
empty canopy
does abyone have footage of the new update for me to watch
cursive citrus
ok im only a few rooms in but this is insanely fun
the shotgun mod
pumps 5 poison into anything
and fires twice on a dash
not a combo i had before
placid pike
Try using it with the bow special
cursive citrus
i have, its a lot slower
well no not at close range
slower animation wise, this is more fluid combat
placid pike
Actually how is the shotgun mod after the patch?
It was horrible pre-patch.
Only two shot made it unbearable
placid pike
Much better then
woeful stirrup
@limber copper Weird, I only met Thanatos once but I had no trouble beating him. Got something like 25 to 10, even though I only ever used spear special.
cursive citrus
ye you can fully load 3 enemies with poison hopefully all backstabbed in like
well under 2 seconds
placid pike
I think they were too afraid of having a triple shot bow again which is why they only have you two shots.
limber copper
Was it on asphodel with armor?
woeful stirrup
Yes, it was.
limber copper
Half of them were purple bombers and I couldn't do enough damage
I was rail gun though lol
woeful stirrup
Oh, didn't get many purple bombers on that one though. They were mostly skeletons and gorgons.
limber copper
I only remember witches as well
Once I saw the purple bombers I was like lol
I'll just chill in the corner
forest marsh
Oh my gods, that was the best thing ever. If you Charm Meg, she'll cast her AoE attack at the adds
woeful stirrup
You might have been able to get him still. Get all the witches, and with a bit of luck, the bombers would have jumped out of his death circle often enough that you could have gotten some of those too.
Does her AoE attack hurt the adds in that case, wight?
forest marsh
Yes
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/555249930474881024/unknown.png
Tons of damage 😎
Hm.
There it is
shadow heath
anyone found any of the duo boons yet? i got one for zeus/dionysus
charred edge
I got a Dionysus/Aphrodite boon. Helped me complete a run just now
native swallow
I found two with aphro one that lets you stack more wine on weak enemies and another that refreshes ares curses on weak foes
dusky quartz
I got Artemis/Athena : Automatic critical with everything for 4 sec after deflecting something
safe mesa
yo that sounds incredible
dusky quartz
Quite good with Athena bow special 
woeful stirrup
Combine that with Athena's wrath 😮
Against Hydra, just activate Athena's wrath, go right next to the head and special, special, special.
oblique karma
I just wish hades had cloud support... i wanna play on multiple devices
Duo boons sound fantastic
lost rose
You can move your save files manually
tulip kettle
icy edge
Does anyone have trouble with bloodstones for cast going missing?
tulip kettle
1.1k dmg spin attacks + godmode from athena fast charge
icy edge
I get them back the moment i leave the chamber, but most of the time in asphodel they just disappear after the enemy that has them inside dies
atomic panther
That nearly monochrome buff list 👌 💚
placid pike
Tiss is not made for bow builds
Her shrinking the room is just a middle finger to your ranged weapon.
atomic panther
Go barbarian mode and use your special
tulip kettle
SMOrc
placid pike
Hahaha and then die in stunlock
Stupid Thanatos making me pump all my heat into increasing enemy damage
Every single one of Tissy's hit is a one-shot.
mint leaf
that's a lotta damage!
placid pike
So it was basically she hit me, I activate wraith, she hits me again, I wraith, until I ran out of death defiances.
500% extra damage from the pact + extra damage from Chaos = 1 dead Zag
woeful stirrup
You should try weapons other than the spear, sometimes, 「 ＤＩＯ 」, you might like it 😛
brazen tide
So good game! Keep up the good work!
median shadow
Guys how do you manage to obtain legendary upgrades in boons ? After almost 100 runs I only have seen one at the start of the game
median shadow
Thx
torn dragon
of course legendary boon is still a low chance appear, u might not get it 100%. anyway, good luck!
median shadow
Is there a list of the existing legendary combos ?
There is so much of this game yet to discover lol
valid burrow
Anyone has information on all the duo boons? I got 2 yet and I want to know the specifics to get the others.
proud storm
So far i got athena/artemis, ares/artemis, zeus/poseidon, zeus/dionysus
proud storm
Also dio/aphro
...i actually dont remember what ares/artemis does but it was something about your cast
torn dragon
okayy thanks
proud storm
Like rare and epic
turbid needle
man this update is sick
hasty mauve
I need to give mr Thanatos more Ambrosia but he refuses to meet me
brazen sphinx
hey are you guys experiencing bow's attack delay after special? Did i miss the patch notes?
i could use special then dash attack before, now it takes full delay even if i dash right after
lost rose
I noticed that too 🤔 i was having some trouble replicating it so i wasn't sure if it was a bug or a feature
brazen sphinx
i believe it's a bug? i just read the patch note, wasn't mentioned.
lost rose
Guess we should report it then!
brazen sphinx
i will!
rustic field
does anyone else really hate the boat in aspho?
the last wave is just super chaotic and i never see where i am
PLUS theyre all invulnerable cause of the voidstone
errant narwhal
the more i play boat the more i tolerate it, but i still try to avoid it whenever i can because i get overwhelmed easily and its good at eating my death defies
bow pierces and rail has the special so i found that its easy to clear the voidstones w those
grand patrol
i........like boat actually i think its fun and the music is peppy
but im pretty sure im the only person who does
proud storm
i always pick the boat whenever i run a poseidon build
undone pond
poseidon build its my favourite
proud storm
do you know how satisfying it is to violently slam a bunch of shades against walls
undone pond
pinging skeletons like no you stay in lava
woeful stirrup
Boat is usually fine for me. Gotta apply your build's strengths so you get rid of the Voidstones quickly.
placid plinth
Is Athena "Last Stand" (+1 death defiance that restores more health) one-time, or all my dds will restore more health now?
rustic field
all of them
so anyone else thinks the last weapon is gonna be a whip?
i really want it to be a whip
hard holly
I think the Thanatos challenge room needs some work
He can channel his AoE before enemies spawn (making it impossible to kill them in time), and if youre facing armoured louts and thugs in tartarus, you lose
woeful stirrup
That's just because you're not good enough.
hard holly
I do like 50 DPS when enemies have 400 health
woeful stirrup
That's more than enough. Just aim for the ones Thanatos is not aiming for if you don't think you can steal his kills.
unkempt pawn
I’m really confused
How do you actually use the new wrath ability?
Was the second bar there before?
I’m smashing the controller with my head and nothing happens lol
unkempt pawn
Lol
rustic field
should i not attack her while shes doing the spinny thing?
you have to charge the wrath to the level where you can use it
ither half or full
and then press a buttong
proud storm
when her rage bar is full she gets like twice faster and her attacks shoot bullets
so you can continue to attack her
but get ready
proud storm
well in the last phase of her fight she's enraged no matter what
if you stay too far from her she'll build up rage herself
rustic field
ok so she has angerproblems
proud storm
you're bound to make her mad at some point
neat comet
ok i'm having a blast hahah the Poseidon wrath ability on the murderboat had me in stitches
absolute carnage
turbid needle
That rail gun is tasty.
icy edge
How do you know to pick the boat?
I just sort of stumble onto it and grit my teeth in anticipation
placid pike
It's usually a god boon room with a challenge skull on it.
icy edge
Fair enough
orchid sonnet
But you can't tell between the boat or the Megagorgon right?
icy edge
Also... did Ares legendary change?
I see that sucking enemies is now a regular boon
placid pike
I believe Megagorgon can show up earlier so there's that
plucky oxide
Yeah no idea what Ares' legendary is
Played five or six rounds last night and only saw one duo boon. Wonder what the prereqs are...
proud storm
ares' legendary refreshes your curse effects if your target is in a blade rift
mint leaf
Your Thanatoes, hand em' over.
night pasture
@unkempt pawn not sure if you got an answer, but the lower bar is your wrath bar, it resets to zero after every encounter
so you have to use it or lose it
what's the heat gate cost in ashphodel, now?
plush blaze
50
hard holly
This is the first time#
Ill use Ares's keepsake
I really want the increased blade rift radius boon
ornate tartan
you can activate it once the bar is at least at the half point