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Nah Ares special just does bonus damage a bit later
Now if it could spawn blade rifts, THEN bow would be OP
Honestly if all of his attacks caused blade rifts
Ares would be a whole lot more appealing
As it is, you should really never pick his attack or special upgrades
They're fine
The real issue is they dont build into anything else
You need poems
Poms
Where as the rifts can improve
@cerulean orchid do you play with whipped frenzy on?
Nah I've mostly gone for prices and health up
ah
suicidal skeletons is usually more of an issue with WF on, but it does happen sometimes without
imho Ares curse boons are actually quite good, it's just you have to treat them differently than the others since weapon damage doesn't do anything for them
Bow and Shield special do wonders with Ares because those normally do weak damage at a range but then can coat entire rooms with the curse
I will say Ares boon is best on shield in general
Maybe why I like shield the most
That said this mortar thing is fun as eff
the main problem I find with Ares boons is because they don't upgrade "naturally" without Poms, where everything else can get bonus damage via Chaos/Hammer/whatever, it feels like an early game stomper that falls off late game if you don't dedicate yourself to it
Thats part of it
The fact that they already get outclassed without scaling on half of the weapons makes matters worse
They can be boosted by Hammer boons
If you have 'attack does 500% damage to armor' + Ares attack, the curse does bonus damage to armor too
Yeah but were talking more sniper shot, ranged shot, etc.
I thought we were talking in general about the boons
right now mortars easily my fave thing in the game, this is just funny
I think for mob clearing and widespread damage, yes Ares bow special is good. But for a shotgun playstyle it's not so effective
I feel like Dio can do all the mob stuff, BUT is also more effective against bigger targets
Although I'd probably have to do some maths to see if the blight dps is higher than the curse and ugh i do not want to right now
Only good ares stuff is dash cast and revenge I'd say
Diyo and Ares do almost the same thing
But it really depends on your run and playstyle
Dio and ares do not do the same thing
Other one is a growing dot
Ares is kinda like another auto attack
Also Urge to Kill
They're flat +damage on hit, with Ares being max 1/curse duration and Diyo being max 5/ blight duration
nooooo I lost to hydra ๐ฆ
And they have sort of similiar roles
Dio is a faster dot though ๐ค
But Dio is better by a wide margin
Isn't it
The big thing is that Dio is a buff that rewards fast attacking, low damage weapons
And doesn't get as close to a big chunk hit
turns out mortars not as effextive vs hydra without appropriate buffs
Athena and the like reward slow attacking, high damage weapons
Ares would reward low damage, slow attacking weapons, but
Why use those?
That's actually a bit of a misnomer
If you don't get too deep down a god's path then they're roughly similar, it's just bonus damage. But Dio eventually gives you buffs vs drunk people and Ares juuuust... gives you +10% attack/cast damage?
Ares wants something that can proc Curse as much as possible since the damage doesn't scale by weapon
Hypnos telling Meg to dodge more XD
Nah but you can only have one curse on at a time
Sure, but then that weapon also has to not be better with the other boons
If the weapon attacks fast, its Dio time
If the weapon does high damage, athena or poseidon
I dunno shield attacks fast but I find Aeris is great on shield just due to low base damage
mind I prefer the blender options
I think the problem is that there is an upper limit to curse dps
Like in terms of how quickly you can get the next proc
Yup
Also on shield, regular attack is better with the other gods
Special just isnt really worth using at all
Unless you have mirage flight
Or phantom flight?
Cant recall what its name was
shield special is probably one of my faves
Right, so where Ares boon is comparatively best is something that hits multiple targets for a low amount of damage about as often as the curse takes to proc (high damage would make Athena better, more frequent would make Zeus / Diyo better, etc)
And it's possible the numbers are tuned such that even in that ideal case, something else is still better, but I don't think so
I will say peer pressure on the new god seems nutty
Thats basically it, yeah
Maybe they major nerfed the boat battle but with peer pressure I legit did that in seconds while taking next to no damage
The problem is less the tuning of the numbers
And more that such a skill/weapon just isnt worth using
Again disagree shield special with multi bounce and ares cleares waves incredibly fast and is pretty free. (takes legit no skill)
I've just realised something - Ares and Dio boon trees kinda suck. Not like that what they do is bad, but they just don't synergise with each other
Like the blight wine and festive fog are the two main things for Dio
Most of the gods have two subthemes, right?
Id say it cleares waves incredibly slowly
Even with an epic boon, youd need like 3 hits just to clear a non-armoured bloodless
But like his legendary only does stuff with half the kit
Same with Ares, there's not much going on with the curse side of things higher up, it's all just blade rifts
I've not seen Dio's legendary yet
Thats not inherently a bad thing
Athenas upgrades later have nothing to do with deflects either
Athena's is sort of it's own thing
Aphrodites is just bad.
I actually just dislike Aphrodites in general tbh
Diyo's legendary needs you to use Fog and Blight - I think it ties the kit together well.?
Zeus, Arty, Aphro legendaries all proc on everything
dio's legendary is bonus damage to blighted foes that are in fog
Oh
Blight Wine-afflicted foes take bonus damage in Festive Fog.
So it could work well with cast build on dio with blight on rail
i thought it was just they took bonus damage in it no matter what
ok hush my mouth about Dio then
But for Ares at least, getting the curse doesn't really go anywhere
Is there a charm that makes poms more common or stronger? That would be neat with Ares tbh
Question what is a good build for spear as I just can't beat Hydra with spear
Well ๐ค
I thinK i just suck at spear
Zeus used to be op
Special builds are pretty good now
With Vicious Skewer
I like going Dio with flurry though
You do extra damage if you say MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA
Dio is better for that
Sort of
I found aeres better at 120 against bosses
Especially the hydra
Also the mortar is nicer with curse I think
Ares is real good for heat runs
And Dios base damage on just a single hit is just half that of Ares
So if you do 2 hits
Youre already doing better
Do 3 hits, and youre considerably ahead
You can't hit twice with mortar before the first dot falls off though I think
Oh I mean on regular attack
On mortar Dios buff is real bad
You just go Athena on mortar
The issue with athena is that on high heat runs you run the risk of getting her dash
since you only get one shot
and I cant play with that dash
Fair, but Poseidons % value is the same
So you can also get the special upgrade of poseidon
Sure thats why when I was running my 120 runs I just rerolled off of both of them
I cant imagine you would want Poseidon on a rail run though
At that point youd just go for Dio and roll the dice
Im guessing thats an epic boon?
rare
I think personally Zeus and Ares both would benefit from taking some of their damage from your weapon, but it still wouldn't really make Ares Curse appealing on fast weapons when Dio exists
Oh yeah, I guess it could be rare
the main advantage I guess would be the burst damage from it versus being DoT
yeah
Itd be 45 damage per half-second
Blight Wine is just obscenely strong right now in general on fast stuff
Zeus at least could use the weapon damage so he's a desirable choice again for regular attack
It is fun to have zeus legendary +his dash though
just to see all the lightning everywhere
Zeus cast is also amazing
oh hey a Numbskull spawner, it would be a shame if I just pressed B and deleted everything
thought - stand in a lava pool with Ares' Curse of Vengeance
It procs on every tick of the lava
so you take very little damage and dish out a lot, very quickly
omg
You can dash in and out though to reset it right?
I really need to ask you all ๐ Guys, did i said something wrong in feedback last time or it's just my bad english? I mean when i use Sudden Sunder, my dash from it uses similar to usual dash and it's uncomfortable, isnt it? And if you change setting of dash to cursor it changes dash for special. It makes me crazy. I just want some convenience in gameplay. Or i ask something stupid, i really cant understand.
I am not sure what you mean in the feedback ๐
That's probably the cause of all the ๐
guys they remove the option to the Special of the shield to get the upgrade of Ares??
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Probably my most frustrating run yet. I got 6 boons in Tartarus, only one higher than a common, and then only two in Asphodel; one from the boat and one from Charon right before the boss (it never offered me the gorgon fight).
Technically two at epic, but after party never actually did anything so ๐คท
ah true
I guess you werent a very deadly snail that run
Quite the contrary; I was really slow but I always cleared the room, and only died once (in the boss room) so I think I qualify for snail status
Gamer snails go off
๐ ๐ฎ Snamer
๐ All hail the true overlord
๐
Snoverlord
can we please not do this again

Just a tiny little bit
I guess we must perform a secret snail cult somewhere else ๐ค
You know those boons that say enemies take damage when you take damage? Do those proc on chaos hits?
Like if I have a "suffer 4 damage every time you dash"
huh
that would actually be a pretty cool run to see
A semi-suicidal 'the only one that can kill me is myself' kinda run
Yes, except that chaos cannot directly kill you. Hopefully I can turn this into a cracked glass cannon build.
Not the damage you when you do x boons
Oooh
This is the most wild strategy ever, and I am intrigued as to how it runs
Just wait until a 'do more damage at lower health' upgrade
And one-shot everything, including yourself
Imagine if you got more than one damage me, damage you boons and then a suffer damage on dash chaos boon.
Can you get more than one?
Charons bone trinket would be very useful
You can in fact get multiple vengeance boons
INdeed
Much pain, much gain
There's one each for Athena, Ares, Zeus, and Aphrodite
There's Zeus, Ares, Aphro, Athena?
Ye
And like
decent ones can do at least 100 damage
so
every time you dash
you just deal 400 damage to the nearest thing?
Something like that.
That's something
Don't they work differently though? Ares does it in a circle around you, and the others damage the attacker don't they?
The best chaos boon would be one that gives you death defiance as well. Cause youre running around at 1 hp, death defi becomes a literal 1up
Zeus is the only one that directly damage the attacker, the rest are in a circle around you
Lol if the zeus boon kills you
Zeus: I'll mess up the next person to hurt my nephew
Zagreus: <Deals damage to himself by dashing>
Zeus: ๐ฉ
I enjoy figuring out new ways to break the game
And with so much variety, there's so many possibilities!
Yep me too. Especially because everything that is fun gets nerfed
wait
if he deals damage to himself by dashing or whatev
then he does Zeus's thing
which then damages himself
which then does Zeus' thing
Which damages him again
He becomes pikachu
hopefully it's AOE
or you get the zeus ultimate that sends out bolts
Finished a 5 heat run! Baby steps....
eeeey nice!!!!
Hold on, if Zeus would work on the chaos boons in their debuff form
That should cause an infinite loop
Unless it counts Zeus as the one who attacked you
zag: dashes
zag: hurts himself bc chaos boon
zeus: how dare someone hurt zag
zeus: (revenge damage hits zag)
In which case we are able to hit Zeus
Or rather
Force him to punch himself in the face
why you hitting yourself
Zeus doesn't damage Zag, I don't even think the vengeance boons work at all when you damage yourself; this was just a fun hypothetical
Hi guys/girls! I have a quick question. Any way to un-equip your only keepsake since it doesn't synergies well with the weapon that you are currently using?
No, not at the moment
You'd have to get a different keepsake to equip in order to change it
Thanks wighfyre, I feared so. Guess I have to save next ambrosia for Athena.
Am I the only one who finds the sword and shield the best weapons?
Not at all! They're less popular than bow and spear (or the secret fifth weapon, Gun) but they're still remarkably fun and interesting
Bow is my least favorite weapon, I think the shield is the best
I prefer sword bc the special is a big splosion ๐ฅ
I like the shield because of the rush
And the captain America special is pretty good if you get the right upgrades
That's valid!
Congrats!
thanks!
this run was kinda iffy
but its better than my first LMAO
that was my first ever run ๐
beatign it i mean
Ha ha yeah I remember seeing that 
so trhe Aphrodite legendary works on the Mega Gorgon
I managed to charm the crusher into smashing the gorgon
was probably the most satisfying thing I've ever seen short of charming the entire Murderboat
I need to experiment now with Dio and Aphro synergies because if I can get Peer Pressure onto things that are charmed, and thus running towards other enemies...
Well that was a pleasant surprise, decided to start trying 145 heat runs while recording and actually got it the first attempt
Praise poseidon knockback special
Wish i were you
@regal nexus welcome to the hottest club 
Did you have whipped frenzy
tbh zeus should do a little more with the special from the bow
not spawn an orb every shot
but more than one lol
Thanks! And nope, all but whipped frenzy and random selection on
If whipped didn't affect enemy attack speed it'd be a different story, but it sure isn't worth the 20 heat right now.
yo i reloaded around infernal gate (before the room being cleared) and it applied! i don't think it's intended xD
so i just rerolled fated authority on that bug, and it changed again; two of the challenge reward being overlapped
the one that i rerolled before room clear was in front, new reroll after the room clear behind
(https://imgur.com/a/gKufAhA) not sure if you can see it but there's the heart behind the coin
please report bugs in-game with F10!
oh i forgot that and closed the gaem ๐ฆ
When did inferno bombers drop 3 bombs before jumping away?
I swear that's changed suddenly
I have literally only noticed them start doing it since yesterday
Strange
i've seen them do it a lot, it's not a recent change
I do wish they telegraphed it a bit more
even without Whipped Frenzy if you're in melee range of them sometimes it's just like "well there's like 30 damage"
Yeah I was doing exactly what I always do with them - spamming bow special at point blank - and suddenly he just jumped off and I took 36 damage
Never happened before
"Time to blow this place, nyeeeaaahehehehehehaaa!" ~ Inferno Bomber, probably
Dread Flight is so fun but also so wonky
I launched my shield like four times at a mob in front of me and it would hit the first enemy and then fly off to hit some other enemy literally off screen instead of the Inferno Bomber right next to the first guy and I'm like
really
i somehow got two vengeance boons
one from zeus, one from ares
so i was dealing almost 300 damage every time i got hit
i also had like 6 death defiances because i had skelly's keepsake and i found two in the well
Ah the classic "why are you hitting yourself" build
@subtle shale yeah I've found that the 'bouncy' skills don't really like certain types of enemies. I think they might? have a priority system, cause I swear whenever I use it against the hydra it'll always hit the main head no matter what, and never go for the little fire spawny things
it also decided to hit like, tons of level geometry when fighting Megagorgon
like it went for all the destroyable pillars and stuff
is it just me or does the Dino cast absolutely wreck rooms?
You mean **
Party Time
**?
I mean the booze bombs
Yeah those are really good
does Bad Influence apply to the Blight Wine that triggers it?
because if so that is mildly irritating
.......you know, i'm not sure
like, my first instinct as to say "no, BI would only apply to damage zag does" - but it doesn't say that. but then, i don't know if blight wine damage can change while it's stacked
blight wine is kinda difficult to judge because different boons apply different damages of blight wine
Bad Influence is the one that causes your damage to go up if you have 3 enemies with blight wine, right?
yeah
If so, then yes, it does increase the blight win damage
darn
my reasoning for that being annoying is because it makes it harder to keep Bad Influence
Cuz everything with BW dies too quick?
I read vicious skewer was the real deal on here and y'all weren't kidding. I beat my highest time score from before the January nerf to Hunters dash, with Divine flourish, pressure point, and clean kill while under shared misery and death insurance. Took me from 16:40 to 16:15.
inb4 nerf
I gotta say, I do really love the idea of death defiance over just adding a big chunk of health
Defiance is something you can rebound with, while just dying feels like it means a bit more?
Thoughts on the Dionysus boon that gives max hp for ambrosia?
Always keep avoiding it since I wasn't sure of the worth in a run, even if epic tier
The ambrosia boon is quite good, I don't see why you would avoid it
Especially once you understand than ambrosia door nearly only pops with keys darkness or heat, so things who don't help for the current run.
The hearts for 25 are good, unless you're rolling on the mobs, and the boon is better than that.
or course if you're at level 23, it's not the same
would help in high heats runs i suppose, since the health gain isnt reduced by the defect
alright, thanks lads

@frigid rain def theres something about zag sayin "last chance" that just makes it feel better
Yeah!
And like getting to the Hydra with all 3 death defiance feels way better than getting to hydra with 60 health or so
Getting to hydra with 5 death defiance feels better
I'm getting bomb traps landing in weird places where they instantly explode. Anyone else getting this?
I thought they exploded if they reached an area they cannot rest ๐ค
I was just curious if that's how they were supposed to work.
So its like 90% of the time the bomb lands on a normal spot, and then there's that one bomb that lands in a place it can't be planted.
I had a Slam Dancer hit me for a huge chunk of my health while I was spear stunning it and it wasn't armored
also I feel like the exploding spear special needs to be less...bad
its actually decent
but it heavily depends on the god boon
Athena, ares, artemis, aphro
all do well
Yeah I just got an upgrade for it like one room before hydra so it didnโt get to help me much
That is the big unlucky
try bouncing spear w/ zues boon
Is it real to pass Hydra with sword and 100+ heat?
I feel like i handless or something like it
Itโs hard because sword is like...gimped compared to everything else still
Ehh
I like the sword
It's like the second weakest weapon in the game imo
The hammer upgrades being world splitter or nothing is what kinda drags to sword down
Which is a shame because Empowered Nova is like my favorite hammer upgrade in the whole game
I actually love the sword. I hated it at first and now it's my favorite weapon. World Splitter, Flurry Blade and Empowered Nova make it tons of fun to use and it doesn't feel weak at all.
Well, "at first" being after Lifedrinker was taken out. I managed to do one Lifedrinker run before it was removed and, wow, yes it trivialized everything.
remember the shield's peerless parry
that was back when it had innate deflect
+500% to deflected damage on parry
something like that
Hi, I'm relatively new to the game. Is there currently a point in giving ambrosia after getting the keepsake? Or should I just trade it in for other stuff.
giving your friends nice things and talking to them more!!
Haha I'd love to spoil my favorite characters, but just wondering if there are any extra perks on top of that ๐ To me it would make sense that gods that have a better relationship with you will show up more frequently, but then that might cause situations where other gods end up never showing up...
Ugh
I hate how tenebrous veil makes it impossible for you to get a dash boon
is that intentional?
I feel Tenebrous veil should randomize the order of the locked out boons, making it so only the top one is available is a bit boring and randomizing order is much more in the spirit of a rougelite
Maybe take to #hades-feedback with that one, I like the idea as well
thanatos and furies right
feedback seems locked for now (since patch is OTW?)
yeah, it'll be reopened next patch!
so on that note... anyone else feel like sniper shot (Bow Daedalus) could use a little more spice? I feel like "bonus damage to far away enemies" is a decent starting point, but the bow's basic attack rewards lining enemies up and it feels conflict-of-interesty
i wonder if it'd be fun to up the damage ramp massively but take away piercing
I like that idea as a concept
also has anybody noticed Brimstones randomly getting through the shield block?
Kind of? I always thought it was my own fault though
nah I was just standing right in front of one and it's laser knocked me out of the block
Wait it literally knocked you out of it?
yeah like the first hit damaged me and often taking damage stops the block
bonus points: I was in a Heat challenge room
there was a second time (also in a Heat challenge room) where I bull rushed into a Lout from behind, which staggered it, but somehow it's charge went through and damaged me anyway despite it being successfully staggered and behind me by the time I took damage
i...th.ats....
yea i just did a shield run and Bull Rush makes louts teleport on occasion
@subtle shale i hate louts with a passion on shield runs - always a 10% chance they just hurt me anyway despite the shield
I've acctually done my first all-clear with the bow (wich is my least favored weapon). It was actually nice, but I have to admit that I liked it only because of actually good boons from the start. Deadelus with the rapid fire (no charging time and power shot), some Poseidon buff on the attack and athena deflect on the special. It was easy, but I can't shake the feeling that witout that lucky Daedalus Hammer in the first chamber I would have hated all of it.
I really, really don't like the chargning time on the normal attack for the bow. Doesn't feel like the power shot is good enough for the time you need to actually use it. It's fine during Tartarus, but a nightmare in Asphodel
(sorry for the many typos)
U can speed up charge time with dash attack
Btw It feels good when u get used to the dash-powershot rhythm
Like a ninja sniper boi
But consider: relentless barrage + Athena special
I think the "problem" not-problem with the bow is it only feels good with a super fast playstyle
I'd like to see a Daedalus mod that encourages a slower, tactical play leveraging the non-dash attacked charge shot
idk how to make that fun exactly but there's gotta be a way
the one thing I don't like about Rapid Shot is that it removes the knockback so it's literally useless in high heat runs
They've had various iterations of slow play bow upgrades, they are generally not well liked
I've found that no matter what hammer upgrades or boons I get with the bow, I always end up spamming dash and special
I have a really hard time using the bow against brimstones. By the time I'm done aiming and charging, it's already been lasering me and causing damage. The special is much faster but deals so little damage at a time.
maybe a slow-play version needs like bullet time to slow the enemies down? or a reduced aggro range?
hrrm
I'd love to be able to move while charging, even if it reduced my speed.
Yeah being able to at least move slowly while charging would be nice
For the shield you are protected from the front while charging its special, but with the bow you're basically sitting duck while charging
it's..... it's a ranged weapon?
being unable to move while charging a bow shot has literally never been a problem to me
Yโall.
The secret to maximizing the damage with with the bow special
Is running right up to your opponentโs face and hitting that special
I've done that before and it's certainly satisfying. A bit of a risky move though if they don't die, since there's no knockback. Maybe I'm just not good enough to use it well ๐
Oh yeah no the special isn't great at range unless you've got Dio or Ares
So I do it at point blank
Hence all the dashing
Depends on the build I've found
Obviously with the +300% vs armour or whatever it is it's super strong
And getting twice as many arrows means twice as many damage
You just gotta be a little more careful about spacing/timing, and try to backstab every time
i imagine zag furiously running up to a shade's face and loading like 10 arrows in his bow at once ready to fire at point blank range
I only recently realised that the animation for it sort of lines up a bunch of arrows of light in the air that he fires off one by one
Chaos chambers and the bonus heat ones?
They in count?
no idea
Hmm
Heat chambers count I believe, Chaos rooms donโt
I remember how i passed heat chamber once and choose Ares boon on exit then i was sent to big swiming platform
but it was 26 chamber
The 28 chamber thing has been around since the beginning hasn't it?
No, a complete Hydra run is 27 rooms
it's possible you got into a chaos room/erebus before a charon shop located right before a boss
I mean the furthest chamber reached saying 28 sometimes
Pretty sure that's been that way since the beginning
It is, yeah
yea Hydra is 26 and the one after is technically 27, so the farthest chamber you should be able to reach is 27
My uncle works at nintendo and he showed me the secret to get to chamber 30
just took premium vintage in a trial for the first time
and then got sunken treasure as the other boon, which gave me ambrosia
wow
So how many hp do u have?
well im about to fight the hydra now
and i have 309
i wondered how high i could go with it
oh, yay
im very bad at gun so im surprised
grats alma 
I wonder how high the clear time thing can count
99:99:99 is the highest I've got
game also crashed upon leaving hydra room with that time
speaking of which, it would be great if the game could be paused automatically if no input for 30 secs (aside from boon choice/pom upgrade screens)
Same here. Getting to 28 rooms is definitely possible.
gonna post in #h1-discussion
since thats more appropriate
I'm surprised I did as well as I did with SoC, seeing as this was a complete GARBAGE build.
Just infinitely easier to cheese with bad builds with spear
ggggghhhhhh i got SO CLOSE to beating the hydra on this 60 heat run just now
i had extended range on the spear jab, there were two of the stompy heads left in the final head batch
bc of the extended range i could just lurk outside their attack radius and chip away at their health
but a hydra projectile got me because i had auto aim on the spear and when i tried to turn around to destroy the projectile zag attacked the head instead >>

i keep getting sooooo close on these 60 heat runs like, i make it to the last phase of the hydra every time and then something gets me right at the last second
I feel so bad at this game when I play with any heat at all. Perhaps I'm too old or whatever, but I take so much damage with heat on.
I find for me it depends on what pact options Iโm taking. Shared Misery and Pain Tolerance arenโt too bad, but once you have those and Convenience Fee your choices narrow and youโre forced to pump up their damage if you donโt want Louts moving at Mach 10
Sometimes itโs mental too and you just psych yourself out because you see the number floating up there and youโre like โoh geez this is super hardโ
Whats the WR for fastest clear'
i think it's 5 minutes and change
in-game time, 5:36
real time 8:37
Hades - Leaderboard
Naturally, its a roguelite
I hope survival rooms get a rework
https://imgur.com/te2ghFc Also @hard holly in answer to this
Ok gimme a sec I don't want to be murdered by proxy
Basically I got halfway through a run and stopped at the midway point before the chaos update, and didn't play for a few days
And then the update dropped with the timer and the end screen, I finished the run and got that time
Youโll do Hypnos a concern staying away from home that long!
It's definitely glitched even taking in to account the days I didn't play before the update, that's like almost 70 days
No wait, that's minutes
everyone started thinking he actually got to the surface and then hes like. nah
1675 minutes is 1.16 days so that checks out actually
Anyone play with auto aim off? I wonder if it's worth learning
I turn it off when I'm playing with bow because the piercing attacks really matter exactly where you shoot
i had not considered turning off auto aim tbh
its kind of annoying sometimes
just hit my highest dmg yet
Exploding Launcher?
Ah, I had a 50/50 chance, wrong 100% of the time 
the build is not great, no damage mitigation or survivability other than dont-get-hit
fun to stack dmg tho
Don't need to worry about getting hit if you annihilate everything 
yeah this is 0 heat
so nbd
i started running a 0 heat streak for fun
full mirror
just dismantling the game ๐
It can be satisfying to do that after running
for a whle
this update has been so much fun, i didnt expect to be still playing it right up to the next
I played since chaos with auto aim off... but the dubious sprite alignment of the laser stones and hydra heads has me considering turning it on again just so i actually hit what im aiming at
i turned it off for a bit just now
the hydra head sprite alignment is definitely a bit odd
i play with a graphics tablet tho, so might be a bit easier to adjust
Is there a reason that Dread Flight for SoC will never hit the same target more than once? It feels really weak when you're against a single target with a large health pool and it bounces all over the place against objects but hits the target once.
No reason that I know of, but it's the same for the Multi Skewer spear upgrade or whatever it's called, the one that does essentially the same thing
Also hurts when you build a Special shield throw build, to throw it at a single enemy then have to wait 6 seconds to attack because it's hitting a pot or wall offscreen
The whole screen blurs very slightly for a short while when I attack, is that on purpose?
I mean I don't get a blur persay but there is a small frame delay on each hit for me
Almost like time slows down for a moment
Like to save on the processing? Itโs unnoticeable in combat, but when Iโm out of combat I see it
I think thatโs to make the hits feel weightier? If there is a reason for that that is. But it sounds like a different matter
Honestly the legendary boon felt REALLY cheesy up until the last boss
I can even describe how sill the synergy was between that and Dread Flight
**silly
does the Unhealthy Fixation work on the lesser Hydra heads in the boss fight?
does the Adamant Rail have a dash attack?
I got Hunter Dash thinking it did but I don't think it's doing anything
I haven't found that myself, but your mileage may vary
Just testing it out with the AR since I happen to be on an AR run. If you dash and then hold attack, you can tell that the first 2 shots are faster
I have the hammer upgrade for faster shots with the larger clip
really like the dash reload on the AR can make for some cool builds when you stack it with dash boons
Triple Bomb
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well
Consider: hypnos as a secret boss fight
The idea is that he follows every stupid piece of advice he gives you and effortlessly beats you up
"Have you tried not getting hit? Like this" (perfectly dodges every attack)
"You should try killing this enemy before it does! Lemme show you" (instantly kills you)
Hypnos: Automatically reduces your current HP to zero cause that's how you beat your opponent.
Also Hypnos: Doesn't finish you off because he dozed off.
@neat comet No, Unhealty fixation doesn't affect any hydra heads
that would be a bit much I guess lol
So basically, sans?
skelly boss fight where he throws all the damage youve done to him over the game back at you
if youve never hit him you win instantly
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lol i got timed out there for trying to post 2 links in a row
was just showing insanely lucky spear start
Nice
run incredibly blessed
had a legendary boon in there
hit over 850 dmg at points
i've only seen 2 legendary boons in like 100 runs
Oh
I've seen all of them already ๐
It's about getting the right combinations of boons to even have them show up
is there only 1 per god?
Ye
i wish top dmg was a tracked stat on the victory screen
Ooh that'd be cool
https://i.imgur.com/NDRGauQ.png i know i hit 860 here at some point but missed the snapshot
Nice ๐
I got to 1362 once by deflecting an attack with +500% enemy damage, backstab, +44% deflect damage, and +20% damage to weak enemies
I didn't get a screenshot though because I didn't expect it to be that high orz
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Noice
more boomstick action
Nice!
I really didn't rate the blight wine early on but it's pretty nice in the right circumstance
should've rebound q to lmb lol
im sure they are for most
i just like WASD fingers to not have to leave
i use shift for cast and rclick for special
Huh
but i also use a graphics tablet so rclick = pen button, lclick = tap
To each their own I guess ๐ค
i used mouse up until a couple days ago
One of my friend has a really weird keyboard setup on moba games
Off topic lads
If you continued, it wouldnt be
And thus, all is well
Or is it 

No, because update will release tomorrow evening for me and I am sad
Hey
Tomorrow is the day it is released for me too
But at night, like almost on the 13th ๐
Crit backstab straight to the patience
im still having a good time without the update 
looking forwards to devouring some patch notes tho
yaas
definitely keen for some changes
I think the only thing I haven't played with is Heat
i did a lot of heat, mostly dying at absurdly high heat rather than pushing it up slowly
^
got my first win about a month ago and have spent the majority of my time with 25% enemies and darkness restrictions lol
actually got the game to slow my computer down a bit in Asphodel
murderboat with extra enemies is quite the experience
yas that and survival rooms with whipped frenzy
35% whipped frenzy and 40% spawns i find pretty doable though
is 30 heat, id like to get through all weapons with that level before the update
I hate stifling darkness too
That said, I'm one of those lads who puts 300% more damage and plays with bow and forgets to use special
tbh i dont get much use out of bow special unless its upgraded somehow
i use it for multi backstab at 0 range when i remember
yeh shotgun strats basically
I like high heat tho, cause it rewards being very very aware of the area and being light on your feet
Now its kinda too easy on zero heat cause on the few occasions I do get hit, its like 7 dmg
Instead of the usual 21
my first heat run was like
2 tenebrous veil
so only 1 boon choice
then running spear and getting hella lucky
but yea no heat feels very easy now, i was streaking it yesterday
lmao
Yeet
Louts are too fast even without whipped frenzy xD
i can handle whipped frenzy but
theres an adjustment period
where im like WHY am i being hit by EVERY lout, oh yea their timing is different
0 healing 500 % enemy damage is pretty fun ๐
ye thats what im doing now, pushing up from 20 instead of stubbornly bashing my head against 60
i would never be able to do no healing, im not consistent enough
60 heat isn't that bad with the right heat stuff I'd say
Like, +enemies is really easy for me
I did beat Hydra with 80% healing
But +health is a nightmare
yea additional spans is fine
So only going 0 healing wouldn't be bad I'd say
fun even
megagorgon slaps me up every time unless i have great deflect
i hate those freeze projectiles
Thanks for reporting a game freeze! The most common solution to this issue can be found in #hades-tech-fixes-old
bot pls
Loool
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So Iโve been out of the loop for a few days because DMC5 happened, any updates yet?
Later today/tonight depending on where you live

Or tomorrow! Schrodinger's update, dependent on time zone. ๐ Announced time is March 12 (PST).
oh sick
I love this game and I've had it less for two days and I'm really glad its dropping
I just finished my hundredth run
waitttt March 12 dangitttt
I now feel like I have played enough of the game to talk about it lol
I misread the timer haha
No worries!! ๐ต One day more...
I wish, more than anything, more than life, I wish the update to drop sometime soon
if you've had the game for less than 2 days then you have a lot more to see regardless of when the update comes out ^_^
update wait pain is real
pain is for the weak -Zagreus | pain is but an obstacle -Achilles
I am weak and easily tormented by obstacles
Last speedrun before the patch, it was a doozy. https://youtu.be/IMCBba_ns3c
The jig in chamber 2 is to wait and manipulate getting the +special option from Chaos (thanks Dino). Very lucky rooms, about 200 attempts since the last WR. ...
Incredible
That's so fast! Is there any reason why you took that one hit in Chamber 1?
Yea, getting hit there changes the enemy set for chamber 2 that can be killed much faster otherwise
Woah, what? I had no idea that was an option. Great run and thanks for the answer
No prob, it made a difference in that seed but might not in every.
Only 1097 more Darkness until I can afford my next hit of Fated Authority
I'm shakin' over here
Fated Authority withdrawal symptoms include: equipping a weapon you're awful with to get the dark thirst, turning up heat to squeeze out that extra darkness, and buying Tinge of Erebus. If you or a loved one are struggling with any of these symptoms, please contact your local SGG admin immediately.
is the update out guys i'm at uni can't check
will it be on the 13th for us europeans again? 
it is not out, no
usually thereโs an @ everyone in the announcements channel when it drops
Happy update day everyone
Tbh good times was way quieter than chaos
People lost their minds for chaos
For good times they sorta... went and played
Hmm, that gives me a feedback idea
soft locked my game on bow heat run 
this is like my 5th time losing good runs with bow in asphodel
i think i bugged a crystal into getting stuck off-screen
when is update today?
oh ok tnks
Whee, finally pulled off my first clear last night, just in time for the new update. I mean, it took a hilarious amount of boons and darkness because I'm real bad, but still.
Hades is skill based quite a bit
ye once i "learned" to get past a certain section or enemy a few times i can do it pretty consistently afterwards
first clear took a long time
When my save died prior to the good times update, I beat meg on my 1st run, and last boss on my 3rd
Took me like 40 to beat last boss originally
Bomb bros were a nightmare
Now we hang out
Yeah, now as long as I paid attention to what I picked up along the way and didn't make any dumb mistakes I can mostly reliably beat Meg. Past that, noooot so much.
The fact that the hydra fight keeps track of which weapon you used is a personal attack, because itโs about to become very obvious that I only know how to use the shield
ye i noticed after the update i was mostly winning with shield
now i have a balance
People love spear to death, but I just cant stand it
still trying to get 30 heat bow tho ๐ข
I like it because I have an extra milisecond to think
Only jab spear is viable for me, and that's too much of a gamble
Bull Rush Aegis all the way
I didn't expect to love the spear as much as I do, but if I manage to rack up all the +special boons, it's just the best.
I honestly expected to rely on the shield so much more.
I havenโt touched the spear yet I should probably try it out
big pointy stick
Oooo
for fishing
Crit backstab returns are so choice.
Spear is easy insofar they delete threats quickly
I get satisfaction when I juke and deflect and outmaneuver the wretched dead
And sword or shield do that for me
sword im not so good with
spear best weapon evah
I benched the sword early but I think that might be because ooo shiny
Learning to dash and maintain sword combo is ridiculous... and also vital to being good with sword
ye i only recently started picking up mid-combo dashes
was hard for me with mouse
can do it now with tablet
I know how to dash, itโs when you spam spacebar when there are two crystals on either side and a pot, right
xactly
Gods I hate that pot
Someone get some RAID then
trying to ignore pots and fight something else is such a mental drain
Right???
^same, though Iโve only ever won with sword, bow and shield....
i usually kill gorgon > brimstone/voidstone > whatevers closest to me > pots
unless theres so many pots i cant think
One pot screws up my thinking because I mainly use bull rush and I canโt charge with a mine right next to my face
ye that or a slow charge bow
id probably re-evaluate
not that i take slow charge bow anymore 
Daedalus only appears once per run, right?
It turns out that Zagreus turns into Hephaestus all along, not Dionysus
I'm actually shocked that the pots dont occur in asphodel
They'd be a nightmare and id love it
Oh gosh thank Hades for keeping the pots out of Asphodel
Lava + Random Lava Splurts + Pot Bois
pls no
Burmaz is Daedalus, the architect of hell confirmed
when they toss mines into pits in tartarus
or an invalid place like clipping a statue
they explode instantly
Oh gross
in asphodel you're dancing near lava so often that would become a major issue
I do NOT need lava bombs all the time
Esp because I donโt actually know how to dash and I run into the lava constantly
just bought this game
good choice
Very good
Really excited with the current update log and gameplay
hope the next update brings the new biome and boss
i doubt theres a whole biome yet, but maybe
I recall someone speculating early summer at the earliest?
This โjustโ adds three voiced characters iirc, along with whatever game mechanics they introduce
a reason to collect more ambrosia 
TRINKETS
Iโm torn between giving best mom all the ambrosia and waiting until her portrait is released
Iโve been giving best mom some of the ambrosia
i've been selling it
i have all the home characters fulfilled
but not all the gods i dont think
henlo
Best choice
greetings a thot
best game
i've been playing at a friend
i was better at the game then he was
but i was kinda getting tired of waiting for the next update, so i just went and bought it myself
been here since it was anounced in EA
Like 6 hours and It's probably out for most people
beat the hydra on my first run XD
Which means 8 or something for me
right new update today right?
Indeed
the second one took a while, im guessing the next episode will be in like 2 months
supergiant is by far one of my favourite devs
ye id imagine they dont even start editing/post production until after the update drop footage is recorded
played allmost all their games except bastion
bastion has a similar upgrade style to this
same tho i love all their games
i've yet to finish pyre tho
i know
almost in a way plays more like transistor
without the pre-planning strategy part
completed my first 60 heat run to prep for the update last night
bought the game because of this update today ^^
Anyone have an idea of when update's gonna happen?
AKA when Iโm locked in lab for three hours
update gonna happen when zag stops flirting with everyone, so never 
i want to romance dusa
!
unlives?
beheads?
Im checking the game every 10 mins, stop me please
its ok me2
You don't need to check. The patch note will be here before and discord will send a notification 
And it's probably not here before a pair of hour.
It's fun to see that some guys from SGG are in Hades too.
Are they waiting for update? ๐
probably playtesting?
they also play test their own game if i recall one of the docs
They do
The better question is when isnโt a member of SGG playing Hades
The game must be running at the office at all times that someone is there
If it isn't I have it auto-playing on a laptop at home ๐
Developer Tools
ah
hey morgan can i ask you something about poseidons boons?
maybe im just using him wrong
but he feels very.. boring compared to the others
try sheild w/ wall stuns
aspho dont have many walls tho
i keep running out of usefullness when im there for my boy poseidon
i know what you mean
They recently changed it so enemies can knock into other enemies right?
I like activly avoid poseidon boons
Would not know
In Asphodel if you knock enemies into the lava they take massive damage
if
most of them are flying
or scripted sequences
you cant knock em out of
like the boat
frustrates me when i cant push numbskulls, witches or gorgons into fire
Ocean's Bounty is fantastic
wich.. is ok.. but doesnt help you get stronger.. just good for farming darkness
It makes centaur hearts give more
eeeeeeee
it doesnt need more
You don't "need" more damage, either, but it's certainly helpful
MDK!
" Stygian Blade: increased damage on first and second strikes; increased dash attack damage to match thrust; reduced Special recovery time"๐
that would have been nice with my first attempt at a blade run since I unlocked the other weapons lmao
Sword dash attack now not garbage
"Increased Damage" World Splitter Buff ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
What's the damage increased to? I'm still updating
I haven't been able to try yet
So anybody got any suggestions on which gods have duo powers with?
Lorewise: Zeus and Poseidon, Aphrodite and Ares.
Athena ares could work




