but it's a tough call
#h1-builds-and-combat
subtle shale
tepid chasm
wouldn't've asked if it was easy
I picked Flourish because sometimes Dash creates an unwanted effect and shoves enemies away
subtle shale
this is why I dislike Poseidon dash when taking the sword
tepid chasm
Why was Zeus nerfed so hard? Exagryph was basically the only weapon it was good on, maybe rapid-spear
pastel jolt
it was good on anything except maybe non-rapid-shot bow
tepid chasm
Hmmm...I'd never swap Athena on Sword or Ares/Aphrodite on Shield for Zeus
pastel jolt
epic-quality lightning strike could do 31 damage before poms, and considering that's on top of whatever damage your regular hit does
tepid chasm
Well, ares does like 80
pastel jolt
yeah but ares won't trigger if you keep hitting
plush blaze
☝
pastel jolt
meanwhile zeus was firing for 31 damage to the thing you hit and things around it every time you attacked
tepid chasm
On shields you don't hit that often, on spear you can just keep poking different targets
And Sword needs Athena imo very badly
pastel jolt
okay fine
tepid chasm
Well, I see your point
pastel jolt
i'm trying to explain why it was nerfed
hard holly
I mean it was nerfed because it was busted on Exagryph
It was just nerfed too hard
It was already only really used on 2-3 weapons
Now its used on none of them
tepid chasm
Yeah, maybe 35 is broken, but 20 is only exagryph-viable
tepid chasm
What? 12?
tepid chasm
Oh what? That is too much
copper berry
+2 damage per pom is just way too painful.
tepid chasm
I will tweak the values meself when I upgrade
tepid chasm
I think we all have different versions of the game
Someone earlier said Athena's special is 70%
copper berry
We should all be ion V0.14115
tepid chasm
But we agreed on 60% with UNOwen was Her
copper berry
He corrected himself though, and mentioned she was buffed, no?
copper berry
Of your attack, including damage ups
tepid chasm
Well, how much is that?
copper berry
1.5x...
tepid chasm
No, I mean what is the base Dash damage?
copper berry
If you have a bow that you powershot with, thats 40 dmg
There is no base damage on dash, it is only on your attack.
It isn't like Aphrodite, Zeus, etc, who have damaging abilities on their dash boons.
hard holly
Btw
Not the reference I was going for
Jeez why does everyone know Touhou but not Agatha Christie
Anyway I was going off of the wiki
It says Zeus attack used to be 10
So max should be 25
tepid chasm
For me, it is 10-15, 20-25, 30-35
tepid chasm
But I still don't get the Dash damage
hard holly
15 would however work
I mean Touhou is a niche game series
Agatha Christie an author most people know
tepid chasm
we're in the gaming chanel
icy edge
That's like playing stygius with zeus this patch
Rather hard to tolerate
Jk i beat hydra at 10 heat by just using the nova and the cast
tepid chasm
How is everyone ignoring my posts about Dash damage? (not you, thank you, @copper berry )
manic ermine
the damage of attacks you perform after dashing
icy edge
The exact base amount is unknown i think
tepid chasm
Oh, I see
I do remember special attack after Dash when I picked Chop-Chop
Btw that is not clear at all
icy edge
It used to be known when it was a mirror thing but its not anymore, so were in the dark
That's why they give you skelly, fam
Experiment and learn
dusky quartz
Whaaaaaa.... Finally! https://i.imgur.com/xncvSL9.png
Just farming poms and long ranged attacks... but it's done 
hard holly
I mean it increases the damage of dash attacks
Those are the attacks you perform right after dashing
The only part that makes it confusing is the fact that not all weapons have obvious ones
And Spear outright doesnt have one
old wave
Hey y'all. I found a glitch in the game, and was wondering where would be best to report it
Sorry, just joined for this, and don't know where's best
grand patrol
Pls hit f10 while playing the game to open the bug reporter!!
old wave
Ah, brilliant. Thanks.
tepid chasm
Yeah, I only noticed that Dash attack exists at all when I picked Almighty Chop and it was doing different animation. I have no clue how to tell it on spear, shield, bow or rail
hard holly
Bow has a faster charge time
Rail fires a bit faster
And shield lets you double tap
tepid chasm
wow
On bow, I guess if you Dash after charge, you immediately release the shot AFTER Dash, which is interesting
tepid chasm
It allows to shoot from covers. Charge Shot -> Dash out of Cover -> [Game releases trigger by itself] -> Dash back into cover -> Charge next shot
I know what you mean, I'm just telling another non-intuitive thing I learned so maybe it will be of some help to someone
hard holly
Spear spin is great with that
subtle shale
also
if you dash right after the first two sword hits and do your dash attack immediately after
it'll do the thrust from the end of the combo
which effectively lets you reposition for the third hit
it's very useful but also very finnicky
blazing mulch
how to get 6 weapon?
atomic panther
The 6th weapon isn't in the game yet
pastel jolt
only 5 so far!
but if you mean the adamant rail that was added in the good times update, you need to unlock the other four weapons, and then it costs 8 keys to unlock the rail
subtle shale
Spoiler alert: Nasty Dash + Peer Pressure = Death
blazing mulch
already got the 5th one
forest marsh
The 6th weapon is ||the friends we made along the way||
night pasture
so, bouldy?
mighty swan
SUMMON BOULDY
hard holly
Still spear?
covert grove
I'll post in self promotion, just uploaded it. There are ways to improve, didn't get any fountain rooms or Sisyphus
plush blaze
<3
covert grove
We could use more runners on the board, start uploading and submitting guys
timid stump
subtle shale
remind me to never take Poseidon special with Vicious Skewer ever again
mellow aurora
@hard holly spear does have a dash attack
it doesnt look any diff than another attack, but it does proc the artemis dash boone
high pulsar
Oh, I remember the first time I took Poseidon special on the spear. I kept getting hit by thugs that I boosted right into my face.
subtle shale
Yeah try that on a 50 Heat run with 170% damage active
Somehow I got halfway through Asphodel with that and I have no earthly idea how
chrome viper
has anyone beat a 120 heat run yet?
As soon as I get to Asphodel I get btfo'd ): can you guys tell me how do you distribute Heat?
indigo compass
i did it once
i would say avoid whipped frenzy and dont go for 500% dmg and its doable if u get good rng that is
old wave
There's a couple 180 heat runs in self promotion, too
turbid needle
Not sure where to post this but I encountered a weird glitch when trying to break the game.
pastel jolt
glitches should be reported with f10 ingame when they happen
also, just to clarify: the issue here is that you got achilles' wall scroll but didn't get dialogue when you interacted with it? just saying "a weird glitch" doesn't explain anything
wide maple
Petition for a Dionysus wall scroll
plush blaze
Petition for a bouldy wall scroll
grand patrol
bouldy beanbag chair
hazy pewter
Hello all !
I was wondering if any of you played DeadCells early access and found, like me, that the runs were getting way too long with all the zones added with time
I found that Hades runs are still pretty short when steamrolling through it but really hope the same thing will not happen and avoid ending up with 1h long and boring runs..
What are your thoughts about that topic ? 😃
plush blaze
I played Dead Cells in early access and didn't like it 😔
Which is annoying since it has a bunch of things which I usually like
But in terms of Hades we'll be getting a new area "soon" and maybe a 4th one maybe possibly
Asphodel is pretty short in terms of room count but often makes up half or more of the run
Idk. I'm sure pacing is something supergiant is going to be looking into / tweaking as new area(s) come out
hazy pewter
Yep I agree, the two more zones planned are what makes me worry but one good way to avoid it, and what's missing from DeadCells I think, is to rebalance early zones when adding new ones.
I guess they set the difficulty higher to make the content last longer while waiting but really hope they do a "Macro Pacing" balance pass toward the end 🤞
subtle shale
Dead Cells is an odd one due to being technically in another genre but also the most recent game similar to Hades our there
I do agree to an extent that length could be detrimental there, as it was easy for me to get discouraged in DC if I died in like the last level. However there’s one main difference I see between that and Hades right now and that’s weapon selection
DC has a much larger weapon selection but it’s way WAY more randomized so if you ever want to just practice with a specific weapon you’re kind of screwed, where with Hades the base weapon is always your choice and you can manipulate the RNG through keepsakes to try and get what you want. I feel this is a good thing, as it doesn’t totally eliminate the RNG that gives roguelikes their spice, but it gives enough control to the player to feel like you’re not locked out of trying to get a specific build again
blazing mulch
I've played Dead Cells , pretty great game . Main problem was the way they balanced game around the power up's . The RNG was not bad , but actually some bonuses in wepaons seems weak and the same i feel in hades too sadly
But its beta so heh , now I hope they improve performance cuz i got fps spikes
fickle hull
Has anyone found some input lag-like issues after emptying a clip in the Rail? I'm finding I'm not able to dodge because of the auto-reload.
plush blaze
isn't dead cells fully released?
pastel jolt
it's not input lag, you just flat-out can't move for the first part of the reload animation
subtle shale
Yeah the game forcing you to stop and reload is one of the least liked things about the weapon
fickle hull
I would rather not have any auto-reload
It feels really bad to get the shotgun hammer boon.
blazing mulch
just chosee bad upgrade o.O
special with neptun knock up , pull enemies to me when it back heh
hazy pewter
Overall I find the rail would have he's own feel even without any reload, I just find the reload system is taking back-processing brain power during fight without bringing much on the table
If you could move while shooting but had to stop to reload it would make sense, but in it's current state I find it already weak when firing having to stand still, with reload added, it made me avoid the weapon after 4-5 runs trying it
blazing mulch
actually my favorite weapon is the bow , but i also hate it that it doesnt attack without pressing attack
so sometimes i want to just fast attack and it does nothing
i think this should shot always at 50% max range
and pressing it should increase the range and dmg
like it does now
hazy pewter
Yep I was actually thinking about it as a feedback, I was a bit uneased with controls at first, then got the feel of the game with animation cancel, but with every weapon you can just attack to gain time where bow does not provide that option
subtle shale
yeah bow is the only one that requires at least some charging up for it's basic attack to work
hazy pewter
Yup, found that flow breaking a bit, actually @blazing mulch your solution make sense 😉
small downside, maybe it will get too close of the rail in terms of feeling and boon combos
subtle shale
solution: bring back the t-pose rail float
I'm curious about how Dionysus stacking works
if you have two different sources of Blight Wine with different damage from each one, how does the game handle that? Does it give each individual damage stack the same damage as it's source or does it do the damage of whatever procced the effect first?
pastel jolt
the second one
subtle shale
rats, so you actually want to avoid attacking multiple things with the "weaker" Blight Wine attack if you have a higher damage Peer Pressure or something
and then you can keep the procs up with the weaker one
pastel jolt
i think there was some feedback left about it
reef cedar
I'm pretty sure it's actually whichever is higher. I had it on my attack and the splash boon. It seemed to always do the splash amount. But maybe that is only with that boon.
worn fulcrum
It might have been fixed? When I had a high-damage blight attack and a low-damage blight dash, whichever applied a stack first stuck
subtle shale
Tbh I wouldn’t mind if it just counted each stack for the damage of the source. IE if you have two stacks on an enemy and one was 4 damage and the other was 8, it would do 12 damage per tick
I have no idea how complex that would be though
I feel it would preserve the worth of POMs for weaker blight wine rather than letting you ignore the weak one entirely since it’ll be overridden
tepid chasm
Does picking one Boon over the other decrease the rarity or somehow penalizes the possible rewards?
shell finch
Hi guys. I can't confirm - is it possible to get multiple hammers in a play through?
night compass
i dont think so
weary lake
hasnt happened to me
pastel jolt
not possible so far as i know, given that some of the upgrades are mutually exclusive
plain wren
You can’t, you are limited to one hammer
reef cedar
@subtle shale I feel like it would just be better both mechanically and for game feel if Blight Wine was additive. Each source would just add to the amount of damage each stack does. So if you have two sources where one does 3 damage and another 7, each stack would deal 10. Etc. It would make it so all those boons synergize really well at the cost of taking other boons.
subtle shale
Yeah that’s exactly how it should work
You said what I was trying to say but much better lol
worn fulcrum
that would make blight wine crazily strong
reef cedar
Well. It would only if you spec for it and I think the damage you can get from curse would still edge it out. Maybe?
weary lake
what r u guys doin with the rail im havin no luck with this yoke
green birch
Rail attack pairs well with Poseidon, rail special does not imo. Putting a strong Ares or Zeus boon on attack is great tho because it’s great crowd control (low damage, high output)
forest marsh
I like Dio for Rail as well, gets the stacks built up in a hurry
green birch
Very true! It’s one of the best for racking up that five-poison stack
safe mesa
poseidon attack + dio dash is good because you can rack up blight wine while you reload and reposition
reef cedar
I've not playing with it much but I'm not sure what would be best with the rail special. Zeus seems like it the best bet. Aphrodite may not be a bad way to get weakness on there, but... eh... weakness.
subtle shale
so does Ocean's Bounty affect the life you gain from Ambrosia if you take the Dio boon?
forest marsh
It shouldn't, but I haven't tested it to verify
It should only proc on Obol, Darkness, or Centaur Heart room rewards
subtle shale
I figured that's how Ocean's Bounty worked but wasn't sure
hollow totem
Yeah I taped down my special button
And just played sheild
It's really fun
Let's you invests in more than one route for once
worthy dust
Yeah its really cool that it makes you want to use both in tandem
Other "Specials" seem to be more of an alternate attack
That said Bull Rush is still useless to me
And thats probably just me being stubborn and bad.
hollow totem
Bull rush is amazing
Rush then dash cancel into the enemy and get the dash attack double quick attack
Its huge burst damage
worthy dust
Yeah I believe it. I think it's one of those things where I need to see someone using it to really understand.
reef cedar
SO! I have something interesting to report. You can play this game with the gamepad and mouse simultaneously! I've only did one run this way and it took a lot of getting used to/set up, but it works. It makes aiming the rail special exactly where you want quickly possible. Turning off auto aim doesn't seem to work very well, probably due to the split set up, so it's not quite the ideal hyper precise control option I was hoping it would be. Still its great that the game even lets you do it.
torn dragon
Just realize taking Poseidon tempest strike after shield pulverizing blow still knock away foes
Is newer acquired boon dominant?
atomic panther
The hammer only negates the shield's innate knockback
torn dragon
@atomic panther @hasty mauveThanks!
atomic panther
👍
weary lake
bull rush abuse is the only way ive killed hydra so far haha
dull berry
nearly beat the annoyance w/ a bow and just then bloody died from hydra spit
it had
5 health left
,,,
atomic panther
F
subtle shale
F
cursive agate
it has range, it hit's multiple targets it has more range it has aoe. it's fast and works extremely well with any god except maybe aphrodites on hit's main attack. the throw and pull back works well with shadow power. it's basically the perfect weapon.
i'm on a 10 or 11 win streak with it and i'm choosing weird god combo's to try to make it fail
errant narwhal
maybe you just got good enough with it to win every time?
like, not saying its not powerful
but dont give it all the credit, i cant play spear for the life of me for example
subtle shale
Shield also benefits from being safe even in close range
primal cape
Shield is only safe close range if bull rush
worn fulcrum
I've always found the bow to be much stronger than other weapons, but I think that might just be a playstyle thing
native swallow
I've found the rail the safest myself, its what I used for the 120 heat run
charred edge
Anybody have any tips on using the sword? I'm working on finishing a run with each weapon and I am lost on how to use it
atomic panther
The thrust is a trap. If you attack once, then move, you can attack again remarkably soon, allowing you to strafe enemies in close quarters. I'd suggest testing on Skelly to find the exact timing of this. Your special deals a lot of damage and knocks enemies away, and can be used immediately after you dash, so every buff except zeus + dionysus offers crazy damage output (and, in some cases, utility). Patience is your friend. Understand and come to terms with the fact that your only long range attack is your cast, and look for openings where you can. Brimstones are the enemy. Your special does not oneshot them unless they hit a wall, and although your attack combo does kill, it leaves you vulnerable. The key with the sword is to learn the exact range of your moves, and the timing and ending lag on them. This is something that you can test with Skelly, but is in the end something you have to get a feel for. If you can, try and grab World Splitter and Flurry Blade, as they offer the most unique gameplay experience in my opinion (and have given me my only two clears with the sword)
pastel jolt
i'd like to counter the above by saying that cruel thrust, which makes every thrust a crit, is very nice
atomic panther
I didn't know about that upgrade, that does sound really cool
pastel jolt
it was added in the good times update
poseidon + sword special can be very fun but gets a little unwieldy in asphodel (as do all poseidon builds tbh)
icy edge
Its def a playstyle thing
With shield I feel untouchable even if I get terrible boons
With spear, I personally feel dead in the styx with anything but artemis or ares
pastel jolt
see, that's funny, because the only shield win i've gotten since they added the victory screen was actually an ares cast build that barely used the shield at all, that's how bad i am with it
otherwise i end up dying to meg
reef cedar
The basic way to play with the shield is throw your special then dash around as it bounces. It's not smart, but it'll get you pretty far.
subtle shale
If I might add something to sword: if you can get the timing down, if you to the first two hits and then dash attack, the dash thrust will finish the combo
You can also perform the first two hits on nothing to try and time the thrust to hit whatever is approaching you, which can be really devastating if you’re using the critical thrust hammer upgrade
Empowering Nova also turns every sword strike into a crit after you use your special, which while still inefficient against armor a lot of the time, is also super fun. Biggest problem with sword I feel is it’s big damage almost always comes from combos and thus is incredibly risky to use against armor compared to just poking with spear or being invincible with shield
reef cedar
If you're having trouble with the sword, I suggest the upgrade that let's you attack constantly. It's not great against armor, but let's you stunlock most enemies.
The armor break is also really good.
charred edge
Thanks for the advice guys!
plain wren
cast+legendary is actually probably my favorite build
subtle shale
Zeus boon is so bad it reduced your screenshot resolution
pastel jolt
i still like zeus boons :c
weary lake
any weapon/boon combos you guys think i should try? ive basically only had success with spear special and shield
cant play anything else for (REDACTED)
subtle shale
Athena on spear special is fantastic for the damage boost plus deleting all projectiles between you and the enemy. In my experience either Athena or Ares for main shield attack are both really good. If you manage to get both Athena attack and Titan Toppler with Shield you become almost untouchable
trim ingot
😬
proud storm
Oof
subtle shale
That looks awful and it makes me want to suicide in my own run just to escape it
plucky oxide
Ooooof
formal hill
I only had the dash boon and the hammer thing when i fought meg 🙃
radiant night
How did you survive omg
icy edge
I feel that poseidon's wall damage boon should also slightly increase the damage you do to armor.
Anyone agree?
forest marsh
No, I don't agree. I prefer straight damage over armour specific, honestly
radiant night
Maybe a small amount of extra knockback to get enemies to walls?
forest marsh
Knockback is already pretty ridiculous in most cases, I don't see why it should add more? It's already a tier 2 boon, which just provides a bonus to existing status effects
radiant night
True
icy edge
Right now tho, poseidons boon doesnt really exist against armor enemies until you shatter it... and its bad design to have to pick up an otherwise uninteresting hammer to stay consistent with damage?
forest marsh
Which hammer upgrade are you talking about, specifically?
true imp
First 60 Heat Complete, here is the build, tell me if you wanna know about the heat repartition
https://cdn3.imggmi.com/uploads/2019/3/2/d965a691bee5173996a84244d412e3fd-full.png
And if someone could explain me why i cant drag directly img in the server ? (server permissions maybe?)
forest marsh
direct image uploads are disabled in most channels on the SG server. If you want to share an image, you'll have to post a link
torn dragon
In my experience u can knock away armored foes but not spam lock them in place
true imp
Ain't the knockback effect weaker when foes still got armor ?
not even sure it work
Still KB effect a realy fun to watch but realy weak once you get to Stage 2 cause room aint surrended by walls but by lava (even if there is wall at some point). It become a real problem at higher Heat level
cause gorgons and casters dont die to lava... et you wont usualy be oneshoting them. and they get harder to reach cause you need you flee in order for them to get back to you (and out of the lava)
torn dragon
I think it do is weaker. if u get the legendary buff it'll go pretty far tho. Tbh Poseidon can do very well sending bomber on lava but yea the floaty foes are painful to deal with Poseidon
dull berry
doom bfg intensifies
icy edge
@forest marsh any hammer with extra armor damage - it sort of feels necessary on poseidon runs
true imp
@torn dragon indeed the legendary is fun, problem is i'm almost certain legendary cant proc till you got all slot complete : Weapon/spécial/Cast/Dash/Revenge
pastel jolt
nope, that's not how it works
pastel jolt
i have human typing speeds, my dude
anyway
the legendary boon for each god requires that you get certain ones before it
they're different for each god but you don't need the "full set", as it were
pastel jolt
legendary cant proc till you got all slot complete : Weapon/spécial/Cast/Dash/Revenge
true imp
let me rephrase, sorry i'm french
is all slot complete, but not from the same god
the only one i think i'm wrong is the revenge one
pastel jolt
revenge boons don't take up a 'slot', you could get the revenge boons from all gods if you got lucky (or unlucky, depending on your opinion of those boons lmao)
pastel jolt
you're probably more likely to see the legendary if you've filled up on weapon/special/cast/dash, though, since that takes them out of the pool for other gods
true imp
but i never proc a legendary boon without the 4 other slot already taken (that might be i coincidence)
Yes
but that take it out of the pool you are targetting too
never had a legendary boon if one of the 4 above was empty
pastel jolt
i have
true imp
ok
so it's possible
so i got one question
can they proc if you haven't meet the god in your run ?
like on the first god encounter
pastel jolt
that's what i was saying before
true imp
yeye just wanted to check it
pastel jolt
you're never, ever going to see the legendary boon show up if yu don't already have the boons required to make it appear
true imp
but you can make it proc if you got the nessessary boon
pastel jolt
poseidon will only offer his legendary if you got either breaking wave or typhoon's fury; you can only see either of those if you have at least one of his attack/special/cast/dash boons
true imp
ok
pastel jolt
the requirements are different on each god, you can see them on the wiki
true imp
so for zeus we could assume at least the cast + the "chain +3"
ok
i didnt knew that 😦
mb
Would have done my 60 heat quicker with that info :p
pastel jolt
for zeus it's his attack, special, or cast, which will then open up the extra bounces, and that opens up the legendary
true imp
i'll check the official wiki
pastel jolt
https://hades.gamepedia.com/, the fandom/wikia isn't as up-to-date
true imp
Thx a lot for the time and the info @pastel jolt
pastel jolt
no problem!
hard holly
You can get a legendary boon without having the cast or special upgraded in theory
Its just unlikely
torn dragon
Usually choosing the most unique one within the 3 choice everytime can get u on the path to legendary
I once get Poseidon legendary at chamber 7 I think
formal hill
Sorry for never replying after posting my screenshot of my run; I was in a mod meeting until 2am for another server 😅 to answer your question @radiant night, I survived against meg by playing the slow game. Oh yeah, I had the extra cast too 😂 but it was a slow game with occasional dash damage to her with like 90% special usage, occasional charge shot if I was far enough to get her before I would get dashed at. Got greedy a lot and nearly died though 😂
torn dragon
Btw, is Artemis legendary grants an extra projectile that do it's own damage or an extra copy of ur attack/special?
pastel jolt
its own projectile
torn dragon
Thanks!
green birch
Oof, that looks like a rough time. Good on you for winning!
light nova
Thanks
A few seconds before
I just stand and was thinking how angry i will be if i gonna lose now
But i understood one important thing - Tenebrous Veil is boring as (hah) hell
true imp
what daedalus did you take ? @light nova
lethal coyote
Hey, quick question
if anyone is here
The Good Times update. Is that supposed to be working?
subtle shale
Tbh I would rather have 1,000% Whipped Frenzy than ever use Tenebrous Veil. It’s like that one Limiter in Transistor that makes you unable to swap builds without breaking your functions. Why would I ever take something that reduces my build variety in games with such fun build variety?
Yes
lethal coyote
Huh, it's not working for me. Do you know how to manually update it?
pastel jolt
are you launching the game directly, or through the epic launcher?
lethal coyote
epic
pastel jolt
hmm
subtle shale
Verify the Steam files
pastel jolt
subtle shale
Is there no way in the launcher to force an update?
pastel jolt
there should be, but when i tried to launch it myself just now to check it decided to update the entire launcher, so.
subtle shale
Like even Ubisoft’s crappy launcher lets you re-check the files
That happened to me yesterday
Not only did the epic launcher update by itself when I turned on MTG Arena
But it froze the launcher so I couldn’t even see what was updating
Spoilers: it was fortnite
Which I didn’t even know I still had installed
lethal coyote
I have a shortcut now
dusky quartz
You can verify the files in the epic launcher
pastel jolt
alright, @lethal coyote , if you go into the games section of the launcher and click on the cogwheel under the game's picture, do you see this menu?
lethal coyote
yes
pastel jolt
is the thing next to auto-update blue like that one?
lethal coyote
yeah
pastel jolt
kay. try clicking verify.
lethal coyote
It did nothing
pastel jolt
your game should have already updated because it's set to do it automatically but maybe it needs the extra kick in the teeth
what do you mean it did nothing
pastel jolt
it's supposed to verify your files, not do nothing. 🤔
lethal coyote
Maybe it did something but it wasn't noticeable
pastel jolt
it should close the menu and do this
lethal coyote
It closed it but did not do that
pastel jolt
(and then the % goes up, obviously.)
dusky quartz
It could be a firewall, or a proxy?
pastel jolt
hm. you're clearly connected to the internet, since you're, y'know, here.....
lethal coyote
yeah
pastel jolt
yeah i was about to suggest it might be an antivirus thing.
subtle shale
If their version is 13019, could it be too out of date? Like there’s too many updates between that one and this one?
pastel jolt
you could try uninstalling and reinstalling as a last resort i guess :V
since that would reinstall it as the latest version.
lethal coyote
I can, if I don't have to pay for it again
pastel jolt
okay then!
lethal coyote
That's fun
I paid the original $20 back before the Chaos update
I shouldn't have to pay again, right?
pastel jolt
no!
subtle shale
I can’t think of a game in existence that makes you pay again for reinstalling it
dusky quartz
Is your account connected on the epic game launcher? maybe that's that
pastel jolt
it wouldn't be, mjollnir, i don't have anything connected to epic
subtle shale
Dionysus got so drunk he deleted his own update
lethal coyote
I'll try one more thing
dusky quartz
I just tried, you can have the launcher application launched, without being connected with your epic games account
lethal coyote
huh
pastel jolt
so maybe check to see if it says whether you're signed in or not?
lethal coyote
I'm signed in
dusky quartz
So maybe retry verifying
lethal coyote
oh great, I signed out to fix it and I don't know my password and it refuses to send me a verification email
so now I'm just eternally signed out
omg I hate this so much
dusky quartz
Refused... refused? You sure? Try on the website to get a password then?
light nova
@true imp 6 bounces
lethal coyote
I was able to fix it by signing in through google
It is still asking me to pay for Hades though
subtle shale
What the actual hell
light nova
@true imp it really helps when u dont wanna come close to your enemy like Dusa or brimstone
lethal coyote
Honestly, I'm, not sure the game is worth this effort.
I got a nice 2 hours out of my $20
Maybe more than 2 hours, I wouldn't know, I can't open the game
dusky quartz
Maybe you bought the game with a PS4 account, or a switch one?
lethal coyote
Nope, bought it on this very computer
With this very email
I even have my order ID
I can garauntee that I bought it
dusky quartz
You can see your transaction historic on the website.
lethal coyote
Where do I see that?
dusky quartz
If it's not here, you may have bought it with a twitch account (yes it may be possible) or something like that. Or you should contact Epic games support.
lethal coyote
I have the email
dusky quartz
on the website https://www.epicgames.com/account/payment/history
dusky quartz
You should try to link your other accounts there I think.
true imp
@light nova ok but it must be a pain for the elevator no ?
even if you can skip it with a good layout sometimes
lethal coyote
I'm linking all my emails to one account
light nova
@true imp When u swim on a big platform?
subtle shale
do you mean the Murderboat?
true imp
@light nova yep ^^
formal hill
I use the viel trinket when I'm in asphodel to keep my runs going/when I'm farming darkness
Then I swap my trinket out after meg : p
pastel jolt
did you mean tartarus? asphodel is the area after meg
forest marsh
In-game with F10 would be the place to report a bug
subtle shale
sweet thanks!
formal hill
@pastel jolt I did mean Tartarus, thank you 😂 I had just woken up, thank you for the correction
It's usually that trinket in Tartarus, ideally with the weapon with the darkness boost up until meg
Then I swap out, im kinda liking dusa's feather duster
pine snow
Not sure if I'm posting in correct location, apologies. There's a bit of tech on the bow I utilize where I charge the main attack, and if an enemy is far away or I want to cover distance or dash mid-attack, I will dash without releasing the shot, which places me in another location as the shot is released. I've gotten so used to using it, yet it will not occur unless I've already used my dash once in the current chamber. This leads to me attempting this maneuver when I enter a chamber and usually taking a shot to the face because instead of dashing into an attack, I sit there without dashing or firing.
plucky oxide
yeah, i use the same tactic a lot tearka
on bow, i always dash first when entering a room. just in case i take some silly damage
also, @pine snow
I've received a 🚫 on that feedback already. just search for my name in #hades-feedback
cerulean orchid
So I was wondering if it was possible to break the game at all so I dashed as far as possible out to nowhere in Asphodel and after a certain point you stop taking fire damage
plush blaze
Yeah there's spots where lava doesn't damage
subtle shale
so does anybody else experience some delay when trying to rapidly attack with World Splitter?
it feels like it eats my inputs a lot
subtle shale
what I mean is it feels like the attack doesn't come out even when I've pressed the button and the animation has ended
I've legitimately had more luck mashing the button than I have trying to time it
neat comet
just had my first win against Hydra 😄 first legendary boon i've got aswell. Zeus chain lightning for everyone!
forest marsh
Congrats!
turbid needle
there are legendary boons hereeee?
congrats btw
neat comet
yeh got a 300% vs shield basic attack at the very start and just went from strength to strength from there haha
really like how you can change your keepsake halfway through
subtle shale
Yeah I like to take the coin purse for Tartarus and then try and save up all of my coins to take the Hourglass in Asphodel and grab every well power up I can find
atomic panther
That's so much fun! I got two of the speed boosts active at once and I was nearly walking faster than my dash.
subtle shale
Yeah and if you get the cyclops jerky for Attack boosts...hnnngh
atomic panther
Two Atlas Braids with Artemis cast? Don't mind if I do
manic ermine
Are other people getting random damage with Artemis boons?
proud storm
damage varies with boon rarity
manic ermine
I mean the hits are doing random damage with the boon buff, not the actual % increase
manic ermine
example shield toss is supposed to do 15+20%= 18
but its varying between 15 and 20
non crits
proud storm
huh
hard holly
I had noticed random damage happening on a few weapons
Though most notably on spear with vicious skewer
errant narwhal
@naive canyon, holding Tab brings up the boon menu where you can see your boons! you can also see the number of the chamber you are in there.
naive canyon
holy hell really?
naive canyon
is there an idiot proof version of this game
proud storm
ask hypnos
lost rose
spear
grand patrol
covert grove
Completed a run in 5:48 this morning, newest WR. Link to video in self-promotion if you want to see
plush blaze
👏
covert grove
❤ Ship
plush blaze
❤ haelian
pastel jolt
interesting choice to take the zeus boon room over the pom at 2:25
i take it with this setup the bomber room is faster than a normal one?
(although i suppose yeah it is given that it's two enemies only and you do a truckload of damage)
covert grove
Definitely faster than the average room, even if you wind up with slam dancers who like to jump all over the place (especially with 20 whipped frenzy)
pastel jolt
yeah, i figured
goddamn that's impressive though, on an average run i'm usually only just hitting meg at 5 minutes
think i'm happy with my 8m 20s clear though
covert grove
That's good man, get it on the leaderboard if you recorded it
pastel jolt
i did not!
alas, i was just doing it for fun because i'd seen a few people mention the vicious skewer + athena funtime combo
covert grove
You should start, we need more runners
pastel jolt
i kinda wish i had though just for the novelty of it being a run that had absolutely 0 survival rooms
cerulean orchid
hoooooly gods above Ares cast does damage
I mean I did have it at level 3 but still
Like one second there was a hydra, and then it was just gone
subtle shale
So what’s the highest heat you guys can consistently get clears at?
pastel jolt
i mean that's you. i still haven't beaten 60 heat
hasty mauve
Well yea depends on person
INb4 someone comes in saying, yeah I do 180 heat runs like 3 times a day 😄
tranquil cargo
I'm not sure if it's confirmation bias, (I also haven't played in a few weeks) but it seems the level of pom drops and boons showing up is greatly decreased. I didn't notice anything in the patch notes. Am I going crazy?
pastel jolt
might just be you? i think they'd probably mention rebalancing stuff like that in the patch notes and i haven't noticed it myself
tranquil cargo
Hmm, I feel like I used to get so many boons that I couldn't upgrade the one I wanted because the list was overflowing and now I'm lucky to even get three boons before reaching Meg.
I'm probably just looking for excuses because 120 heat is causing me some trouble.
subtle shale
Even 50 heat causes me trouble honestly
cerulean orchid
Does getting a perfect landing actually do anything or is it just for style points?
hasty mauve
Extra sw444g
plain wren
Need the style
subtle shale
You get bonus SSStyle ranking for the first fight. It’s not much but depending on how well you can combo with Swordmaster it can set you over the edge /s
I’m sad we can’t do that flip all the time, like we can style all over the House of Hades
And Transistor had a hum button
give us a style button Supergiant
unique nest
hey i have not played since hades first went into early access, anything major happen? i heard 2 new gods were added and a new weapon?
subtle shale
Yeah, we got Chaos, Dionysus and an assault rifle Exagryph
forest marsh
Also a new miniboss, 2 new enemies, the entire Heat/Pact system, and Erebus
unique nest
so the gun is just a faster bow?
forest marsh
Not really, no
hasty mauve
Not at all
subtle shale
Gun has a mortar launcher attached to it
unique nest
not ahs hard hitnig?
hasty mauve
It can't stagger enemies
unique nest
i loved my bow when i played
hasty mauve
And deals 10 per shot
unique nest
do the shots pierce innately?
hasty mauve
No
unique nest
ew
hasty mauve
But theres a hammer upgrade for that
unique nest
ill just stick with my wonderful bow i think
subtle shale
Not gonna lie the gun is....iffy right nowb
unique nest
did they nerf anything about the huntress buffs? or bow?
subtle shale
A lot of people like it but a lot of people also don’t like it cuz it feels weak
unique nest
what did they do
hasty mauve
Hunter dash is even weaker
unique nest
😦
hasty mauve
The crit attack always has a 15 % crit chance
But it has a % damage scaling now I think
Bow has new hammer upgrades
Or one new , not sure I don't really go for bow
subtle shale
Zeus also got nerfed
unique nest
what hammer upgrade?
unique nest
like cone or one arrow after another in the same line?
hasty mauve
2 at the same time
unique nest
not bad
hasty mauve
But you have shorter range
unique nest
nvm
subtle shale
Range is halved but it’s double the DPS basicallly
unique nest
so what is good to take on bow now?
subtle shale
It’s great with the new Dio boon
pastel jolt
twin shot is love, twin shot is life
unique nest
what is dios buffs?
subtle shale
Dio is amazing on special because the way Dio works is every attack adds a stack of DoT
Every individual bow shot counts for a stack
So if you get the double the special amount on bow with Dio it basically coats the entire room with poison
cerulean orchid
Works the same with Zeus doesn't it?
Like every single arrow of the special that hits procs the zap
But not with Ares from what I've experienced
It seems that if the enemy has a curse on them, they can't have another one
subtle shale
so real talk
how do you actually deal with the head smashing attack from the Hydra?
I have NEVER been able to dodge it consistently
hasty mauve
Im gonna be original and say just dodge it
I like to get far from the hydra boy when he even looks like doing something else than spitting projectiles:D
plucky oxide
When playing safe, if the head does any animation or makes a noise, you're best off double-tapping dash to make distance. I personally dash behind the head (I like to stand on the left or right side, never staying in the middle) for anything that isn't the slam animation. For that, I just bail in whatever direction is closest to me leaving his radius in two dashes.
subtle shale
yeah the main phase I can normally deal with
it's when the last phase has seven head smashing heads that it's like "welp guess I'll die"
native swallow
I just make it a priority to clear two heads on the side
so I have room to breathe
subtle shale
yeah I almost managed that on my run
I've noticed though sometimes the two upper most heads can sometimes get hung up on the rocks and it makes them almost impossible to hit
hasty mauve
^
subtle shale
that's what got me killed on my last run which is a shame cuz I had a really solid build but it turns out even spear can't function well when the entire map is one gigantic earthquake
oh well I've been playing at 50 heat so I should probably be glad I've even been GETTING to the Hydra consistently
cerulean orchid
My personal tactic is to play like a b***h and stay 50 feet away and spam whatever ranged stuff I have
And to just try and kill the corner head first ASAP to give me a safe space
subtle shale
yeah
my last like 20 runs have been with sword
final phase of Hydra with sword is....an experience
plush blaze
I usually go for cast builds if I play sword
fallen cloak
hé is it just me or is God's pride kinda underpowered or am I not far enough?
pastel jolt
it gets more noticeable as you invest points in it
cerulean orchid
Is that the + rare boon chance?
subtle shale
yeah
it's basically a darkness sink for when you're running high Heat and don't feel like being a masochist and running Stifling Darkness as if using Heat isn't masochistic past 30 anyway
cerulean orchid
Well I guess seeing as it's just chance, it's very difficult to see it having an effect
pastel jolt
i mean, it's not Just for heat runs
i have both olympian favor and gods pride maxed out and it's great because i hardly ever see common boons any more
subtle shale
true, but it'll take forever to get enough Darkness to dump in there unless you use at least some Heat
cerulean orchid
With backstab damage, you can very easily see that it's doing something. The numbers go up.
But like, it's difficult to say whether or not you got that rare boon because of your +1% chance or whatever
It does have like 25 ranks though so yeah eventually it gets good in theory
But honestly I've got maybe 3% in each and I still get a lot of rares and epics
So it's purely luck based
subtle shale
I had all three boons once be common despite maxed out Olympian Favor and God's Pride
I guess Artemis just hated me that particular run
subtle shale
she hates literally everybody except maybe Zagreus
cerulean orchid
Don't you talk bad about my waifu like that
subtle shale
the only waifu in this game is Bouldy
subtle shale
I should go look up the Zag x Skelly tag on Ao3 now
if it doesn't exist I must create it
for science
subtle shale
speaking of runs... https://imgur.com/a/qUpX1oT
Finally cleared 50 Heat by breaking down and using the majesty that is Vicious Skewer
I understand now why sword is still seen as weak
I was like three shotting the heads, it was...magical
that + the Blender
native swallow
Sword just feels really unsafe to me
especially on high heat runs
when I was doing my 120 I had to basically move the entire time
grand patrol
ITS A SWORD. ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SAFE. ITS EDUCATIONAL. 
hard holly
What if I get numbskulled using it?
grand patrol
then that will be an important lesson.
cerulean orchid
I do feel like the biggest threats to any sword run are the louts and numbskulls that are juuuuuuust out of range of the special, and then attack when there's literally nothing you can do about it
And that there's not much reward for using the special over just spamming attack
hard holly
Anyway, to be serious
Sword is a hard weapon to use
And certainly unsafe
Its big advantage is that worldsplitter is busted
But not as busted as Vicious Skewer
pastel jolt
nothing is as busted as vicious skewer
hard holly
I just hope they dont nerf it too hard
lost rose
the spear is just ridiculous
i will die mad that it took me like 30 runs to even get to the hydra meanwhile my coworker who wised up and used the spear early (on the current update) got all the way to the hydra on her third run lol
lost rose
it is. she still dies reliably to it, hasn't beaten it yet
hard holly
The game as a whole, even
grand patrol
is it??
lost rose
yeah it absolutely has. it's changed so much in 3 months
grand patrol
its changed a lot but id say its abt the same difficulty imo?
hard holly
The arrow attacks became destroyable
The slam and windup attack became more telegraphed
And the heads are less threatening
grand patrol
ah well. idk much abt the gaming past "its hard", so /shrug
hard holly
Yeah, Id say it has become easier
In fact, it was quite the noticable whiplash at the time
Hydra was a challenge I failed on every third or so run prior to that patch
lost rose
hydra fight is definitely easier than it used to be, although the ease also depends on what was broken at any given time too gkdfjgfd remember when aphrodite was OP
hollow totem
Idk but they've lowered damage values and player strenght a lot
hard holly
Then, all of a sudden, it was no longer a challenge until 300% extra damage heat
hard holly
And this wasnt even me getting better
pastel jolt
hydra's still a challenge for me but it's no longer the brick wall it used to be
hard holly
It was just overnight
hollow totem
the hydra fight and game has gotten easier though
hard holly
Anyway
pastel jolt
but a lot of that is me improving i think
hollow totem
I think its remainded the same
pastel jolt
considering the first time i ever played the game, i actually died in the first room
lost rose
Yeah idk if "easy" is necessarily the right word. Maybe "fairer"
like how much of the difficulty was just from poor/unpolished design
hollow totem
I wouldnt even say it was poor design
actually maybe?
Like getting to the hydra in the past required you get good builds
and be good at building?
but now you can get there with almost anything
speaking for the average player
Idk how i compare
I think im a pretty normal grill
hard holly
Hm, guess would be anyone who can reliably beat the hydra is above average
hollow totem
Ahh I guess ill go with above average for now
currently doing 120 runs
I have no idea how to buidl for theses
native swallow
For my winning run I just went for the safest option I could find
subtle shale
better than me, I still struggle beating Hydra at around 50 Heat
native swallow
so I just took ares boon on rail and got as many poms as possible
hollow totem
Multiskewer or rapid jab?
hard holly
120 heat runs is quite challenging
hollow totem
Idk these new thingies
hard holly
I imagine
hollow totem
ITs first room
hard holly
No idea, I kinda just had to not play because of exams for a while
native swallow
native swallow
yeah this was my winning run
hard holly
What does Multiskewer do again
subtle shale
don't you have to take Stifling Darkness for 120?
native swallow
nah
subtle shale
oh wow
native swallow
I ignored it myself
hollow totem
Nah its not that bad
hard holly
Rapid Jab should be the flurry thing
native swallow
whipped frenzy is the real nightmare
hard holly
In which case its fine
hollow totem
yeah you cant spin but you stab fast
hollow totem
yeah bouncy
hard holly
Id go rapid jab then
subtle shale
Rapid Jab with Dio attack and Peer Pressure
Poke once then kite for half a minute
win
subtle shale
those are both the same thing
subtle shale
Ares special with multi-skewer
hard holly
Man I should try to do the 120 heat runs at some point
After I get enough heat
Actually, can you even get 120 heat without death insurance, enemy health up or stifling darkness?
subtle shale
Insurance isn't bad for like the first room
then you find the first Numbskull spawner
native swallow
man it takes forever to kill with all their extra health
especially once you run the extra enemies in every room
subtle shale
ironically I find extra health and extra enemies to be the two easiest pact things to deal with
native swallow
by themselves they are
but once you throw on 500% damage and WF
they add up together to make amess
especially in those timed rooms
or god forbid you get that stupid boat in asphodel
neat comet
that boat man LUUL
native swallow
that room is the hardest room in the entire game on high heat runs
neat comet
god damn
native swallow
even worse than hydra
subtle shale
Murderboat is a national treasure
it wouldn't be so bad without the stupid shield enemies
you can't even crowd control anything until you take care of the shield spawners
and those usually hang out right in the middle of like 6497652479825436975 slam dancers
native swallow
when I was doing my rail runs I just dashed around and spammed special
and prayed that everything would work out
subtle shale
Sword is actually amazing at Murderboat
hard holly
I mean theyre easy to deal with
subtle shale
get Poseidon special with it
hard holly
But I dont like them
Theyre just tedious
I prefer just 500% damage up, 50% whipped frenzy
hard holly
Also Hydraheads spawn
subtle shale
okay legit it would be actually cool is the Hydra heads spawned midway through
make it feel like it's chasing you through Asphodel before it finally catches up at the boss room
hard holly
I know, right?
native swallow
I do feel like the boat is not worth it at all to ever attempt in high heat runs if given another choice
the reward is so low for the risk
hard holly
Hire me, SGG
subtle shale
Murderboat has one thing going for it:
it's preferable to Mega Gorgon if you don't have any deflect
subtle shale
I tried to skip them once through a merchant room
then they spawned as the only exit
RIP
native swallow
yeah thats happened to me a few times
subtle shale
I'm not too worried, like in about a week the next update comes and likely will tilt the balance over entirely
like tons of people complained about Gorgons and Crushers in the feedback when it first rolled out from what I saw
hard holly
Imagine if we get a sword upgrade
That replaces the special
With you just throwing the thing at the enemies
native swallow
isnt that spear
hard holly
And you hit them with the blunt end
subtle shale
sword upgrade just turns it into a spear
subtle shale
it's two swords duct taped together to make a spear
native swallow
tbf spear is basically a upgrade to the sword
subtle shale
also that actually does sound good
hard holly
Actually, doublesword doesnt sound too bad
hard holly
Less endlag on special would be nice
subtle shale
yeah absolutely
I don't want to power creep too much but I feel like it could afford to do more damage on it's basic attack?
like the first hit of it's combo is less damage than a spear poke despite having way less range
subtle shale
yeah true
hollow totem
They can just nerf the percentage increase on world splitter
native swallow
just remove the sword and let us swing skelly around as a weapon
hollow totem
and buff the base sword
subtle shale
could always tone down World-yeah
hard holly
Honestly, making the hits 20/20/40 would probably work
I mean if were going for comedic weapons
native swallow
granted but they break in 3 hits and you would have to reearn them
subtle shale
why not 20-30-40?
hard holly
Again, Worldsplitter
subtle shale
just buff Worldsplitter to 1000%
subtle shale
I mean sword special is already the same animation as Cull
hard holly
Red as a hidden boss
native swallow
we all know Ti'zo is the real final boss
subtle shale
Ti'Zo riding on top of Bouldy
Imps from the Downside used to ride those babies for miles
hollow totem
They could honestly just start importing bastion weapons and transistor abilites
and just because hades is a new format
I would love it
ofc with new content
Like their other games fit into the hades style pretty well
even though the game feels really refreshing
subtle shale
I wouldn't say no to an optional power-up that replaces the Daedalus with the Cael Hammer and gives all of your weapons Bastion power-ups
hollow totem
maybe as dlc just add a buncha crazy stuff
LIke seeing processes mingle with louts sounds surreal
and amazing
subtle shale
Bastion had the Portal Turrets so like
subtle shale
just give me Portal Turrets again
Zagreus can hitch a ride with GLaDOS all the way to the surface
native swallow
I dunno if the portal turrets will make acomeback seeing as were off steam now
hard holly
I kinda wish boons were like the functions in Transistor
grand patrol
i love glados but zag doesnt need her in his life hfjdjfngjg
hard holly
Who else could sing about how he is still alive
green birch
....So, you know those runs where you find 0 poms or boons in Charon's shop every time,
trim ingot
f
green birch
To my surprise Hydra was actually an incredibly quick fight. It turns out that Minotaur rush with an attack boon can whittle down each head in 4 moves
subtle shale
Minotaur Rush is amazing tbh
also I'm curious, do you guys use aim assist with controller at all or no?
forest marsh
Yup
lost rose
i do!
subtle shale
I wonder if I should turn it on
forest marsh
I think you should give it a shot, it's very helpful for gamepad users
cerulean orchid
Are you supposed to be able to shoot down gorgon stones? I swear I can only take them down sometimes. Am I just bad?
near seal
@cerulean orchid AFAIK ur not supposed to be able to, but you can deflect them?
torn dragon
yes u can deflect the stones, gorgons can get stoned by them too sometimes
cerulean orchid
So the times when I've attacked one and it's disappeared are just lucky timing with when it naturally stops, or a bug?
subtle shale
Probably a bug because Athena should be the only thing able to stop them
merry jungle
Anybody ever had when fighting between two gods you kill all the enemies but the battle never ends?
merry jungle
I've ran around firing mortars everwhere so unless they glitched into terrain or something I think I'm forced to give up 😦
hasty mauve
Had that happen to me twice 🤔
If you just close the save do you begin from last save point a.k.a last room ?
merry jungle
bummer oh well the 5 shot on the gun sucks anyway
I don't know I just chose the gave up option to reset
hasty mauve
It's not that bad, but not so good either 😄
merry jungle
Let's me test the gun more
I'd be okay with shotgun mode if the pellets did overlap damage
kind of sucks to shoot all 5 into an enemy and do 15 damage XD
merry jungle
not sure first time getting to play since the gun release
first run got a glitch XD
hasty mauve
😄
merry jungle
I got hammer as first boon so when the 5 shot spread not knowing it puts reload at 2 and that the pallets do not do overlap damage which made it feel pretty bad. The special is fun though if you power that up, I'll try the 5 mortars next time, that could be fun
also yeah single fire is 10 damage so the shotgun form is just... bad
merry jungle
I mean a shield standard hit is 20 so yeah. I was bit dissapointed to dash up to a witch shoot all 5 and do 15 damage, figured the spray shoot would do more at close range.
hasty mauve
Shield is the best weapon anyway
Just spamming dash attacks melts everything and its relatively safe
merry jungle
Yeah shield overall just feels the best
cerulean orchid
I dunno the bow feels pretty good to me
Actually that's a lie
The bow's special feels good
But I basically never use the normal attack
cerulean orchid
Except for one run where I got Aphro attack, and bonus damage on weak enemies
ornate tartan
I have a question, if I have the Artemis dash boon and I have the spear spin attack charged then dash, will the spin attack have the dash bonus damage?
pastel jolt
i don't think so sherp
cerulean orchid
Then I'd attack once and spam special, until I got Aphro dash and just did that
ornate tartan
awh, thanks
pastel jolt
bow attack: PEW PEW DESTROY ALL
bow special: i have a peashooter, please be scared :c
cerulean orchid
The trick is to use it point blank
pastel jolt
sure, because point blank is where i want to be when using a ranged weapon
cerulean orchid
And to get Zeus boon on it
pastel jolt
and i realise how hypocritical it is to say that when my favourite hammer for bow used to be point-blank shot and now it's twin shot
but still
cerulean orchid
How many arrows is it? 10? Each of those procs the zap damage from Zeus special individually
pastel jolt
i can dash out of a normal shot, i cant do that while zag stands around and picks his nose after using the special
cerulean orchid
It's ridiculous
pastel jolt
what about literally any other god's boon? how useful is the bow special then?
the only one i'd consider is athena special for the asphodel witch countering
atomic panther
With athena, ares, and poseidon.
cerulean orchid
Dio procs on each arrow, so it's pretty good at getting literally everything drunk
pastel jolt
once they're out of point-blank range the bow's special drops off sharply in utility
merry jungle
So the mortars ont he gun weapon feel fun as
cerulean orchid
Athena and Arty just make it do ridiculous damage
merry jungle
got it with the poseiden damage on special feels hillarious
if not a bit overloaded with particle effects sometimes
cerulean orchid
And the deflect is nice because you don't even have to try and aim
Ares is probably the worst honestly
Because an enemy can only have one curse on them at a time
merry jungle
Ares is actually my fave XD
cerulean orchid
The blender builds are amazing I agree
merry jungle
I love the dash spin blades and just keep getting the extra width and damage ont hat is funny
yeah blender builds is the best term ever for it
cerulean orchid
But the curse doesn't work optimally with the bow's special in particular