#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 220

subtle shale Feb 23, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Pact that gives every enemy a Lout lunge

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Including the hydra

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Seven hydra heads all lunging at you with 500% damage and whipped frenzy

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There’s a single invincible Numbskull as well

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 10:56 PM

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A single invincible numbskull that you don't have to beat to finish a room

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But is always... there

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And always following

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getting closer

subtle shale Feb 23, 2019, 10:57 PM

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If it hits you it erases your save file

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 10:57 PM

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oh lordy

subtle shale Feb 23, 2019, 10:57 PM

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What about an actual challenge mode where you’re being chased by a single unkillable numbskull

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The rest of the game is the same

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 10:58 PM

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that.... sounds like something I should look into

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👀

forest marsh Feb 23, 2019, 10:58 PM

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The Invinciskull Mod

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 10:58 PM

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reminds me about that one reddit thread

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About a superintelligent snail

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:00 PM

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or the snail assassin

subtle shale Feb 23, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Skelly is the true final boss

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His statues come to life and combine to form Skeltron

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:04 PM

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"shoulda given me more ambrosia boyo"

forest marsh Feb 23, 2019, 11:05 PM

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"I got a bone to pick with you, boyo!"

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:05 PM

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nothin personell boyo

subtle shale Feb 23, 2019, 11:15 PM

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“I’ll only have to use 1% of my power, boyo”

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:18 PM

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time for fun >:3c

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plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:18 PM

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This is where the fun begins

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:22 PM

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3:48 and meg is dead, WHAT IS THIS

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plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:22 PM

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that's pretty good pace tbh

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sparrow becomes speedrrow

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:26 PM

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wish me luuuuck~

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"yum" is about right mate

hard holly Feb 23, 2019, 11:27 PM

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I told them Spear special was the nuts

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They doubted me

forest marsh Feb 23, 2019, 11:27 PM

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That was before the huge buff 😛

hard holly Feb 23, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Eh, I mean funny thing is

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This isnt that much stronger than the old one

forest marsh Feb 23, 2019, 11:28 PM

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The biggest difference is in Vicious Skewer

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:29 PM

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oh my god

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so i jsut absolutely demolished my previous best

hard holly Feb 23, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Noice

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:29 PM

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and only a few seconds behind the runs currently on the board, not bad

hard holly Feb 23, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Eh, Vicious Skewer is again not that much better than the old, old version

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:30 PM

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my ridiculously high damage backstabs just now disagree with you

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:30 PM

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You should submit! if you didn't record this run, then maybe another run

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the more the merrier 😄

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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i didn't record

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Ah shame

hard holly Feb 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Oh, right, backstab damage

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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i don't think my computer could handle recording an entire run, it doesn't much enjoy when i record even just hydra

hard holly Feb 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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That does change the equation a little

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Ah 😦

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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backstab and critical

hard holly Feb 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Yeah I just did the numbers baseline

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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You also got some really nice RNG

hard holly Feb 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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This puts it slightly more in favour of the new build

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Special+ chaos boon, urge to kill and pressure points

hard holly Feb 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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But still not by that much

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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i didn't hit a single survival room, either

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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😆

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Damn, that's lucky

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I haven't had a 0 survival room run in like...

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I can't even remember

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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i did get nervous at one point

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i had a choice between an elite zeus room, and a shop, and i didn't want to hit murderboat so i went shop instead

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Yeah good choice

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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and it.... sent me to the elite zeus room after anyways.

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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And then you got gorgon?

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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THANKFULLY it was the megagorgon, yeah

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Yeah

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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it was so satisfying to demolish her inside of like 20 seconds

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Especially with reflect

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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mhm

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i would like to thank the fact that i turned off the ingame music in favour of the music from tetris 99

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.....i kinda want to try again but at the same time i don't know if i'll get that lucky again

plush blaze Feb 23, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Yeah the 0 survival rooms

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I still can't believe that

pastel jolt Feb 23, 2019, 11:37 PM

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didn't get vicious skewer this time :C

subtle shale Feb 23, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Out of curiosity how do damage buffs work? Like are all percentages multiplicative or additive?

forest marsh Feb 23, 2019, 11:54 PM

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It varies

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I believe Chaos is multiplicative, but am not an authority on this subject

lost veldt Feb 23, 2019, 11:55 PM

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I reached 1k damage with the shield charge on a crit, with +200% damage from daedalus hammer and many Arthemis buff to both damage and crit, so I think at least one of them was multiplicative

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since critical hits description says "at least 3 times the damage", it's safe to best crits are multiplicatifs at least

subtle shale Feb 23, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Yeah definitely

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I’m used to Diablo clones where percents are always additive and have diminishing returns so I was curious

lost veldt Feb 23, 2019, 11:58 PM

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I'm curious about the shield damage as well, how much are they affected by other damage type and so on

reef cedar Feb 24, 2019, 4:32 AM

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I finally beat the Bone Hydra! I had the sword with the +300% to armor, the bone charm that gives you more damage at low health, and boons from Ares and Athena. I can regularly get to the Hydra, but usually use the shield and usually do not like the sword at all. But I was able to basically rush everything, doing tons of damage from deflecting and from taking damage. No legendaries. It's really good.

quartz ice Feb 24, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Aaaah! First time beating the hydra! Didn't really dig the Aegis at first so was pretty surprised it got me through the fight. Definitely need to experiment more. So pumped right now, such a good fight.

reef cedar Feb 24, 2019, 6:55 AM

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Does Pressure Points (Any Damage you deal has a chance to be Critical) allow Ares' Curse to be critical? I had them together, but I can't say I actually noticed if they interact in that way. Curse does seem to be effected by stuff like Skull Charm that increases damage when you're under %40 health.

jade estuary Feb 24, 2019, 7:07 AM

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are there any good aphrodite builds these days

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 7:10 AM

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cast

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 7:43 AM

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@celest dagger "Just a small QOL thing but when I reallocate Darkness after trying out a heat run, it's a little bit tedious to max out the mirror buffs one by one, so I was just thinking that it'd be nice if we had some kind of max option next to the effect lin"
In the mirror you can hold left click/x/a to max something in the mirror

celest dagger Feb 24, 2019, 8:17 AM

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WHAT

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I never knew that I’m so sorry

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 8:17 AM

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o

plain wren Feb 24, 2019, 8:26 AM

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oh yea that was added in a recent patch

lost veldt Feb 24, 2019, 9:39 AM

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@reef cedar it seems yes, and Dyo dot as well

reef cedar Feb 24, 2019, 9:41 AM

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@lost veldt Awesome! Thanks.

formal drum Feb 24, 2019, 11:00 AM

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@reef cedar Yes it does work with Ares curse, Zeus (even after having bounced) and Dyonisus damage over time

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Haven't seen anything that does not work yet tbh, except environmental damage

safe trellis Feb 24, 2019, 12:21 PM

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So, I still don't know what the right thread for "pitching ideas" is, but here goes nothing.

This might be a really unpopular idea (or such a popular idea that it has already been discussed multiple times, in which case I apologise), but I think what the game needs to spruce up its worldbuilding is side-quests. Right now only the first instance of gifting ambrosia to an NPC produces a "special" interaction which results in receiving a keepsake. It would be nice if additional such interactions were added midway through and at the end of that NPC's "love" progression, with the mid-point triggering a side-quest.

Side-quests might entail collecting specific items and resources that would only appear while the quest is active, such as:

Hypnos wants to impress Megaera. He asks you to go look for "special" asphodel flowers, which would appear only rarely in the Meadows' flower patches and be signalled by a similar twinkle as the groups of shades you can occasionally interact with in the House of Hades.
Dusa wishes for a new feather duster. Feathers will rarely be dropped by Harpy enemies (assuming those are a thing later in the game).
Charon has accidentally misplaced a few shades. You have to spot them by interacting with them in the House of Hades (and elsewhere if more "idle" locales are added in later areas). This would add a reward element to interacting with shades, something that isn't really incentivised at the moment.

I think this would add some extra fun to the proceedings as well as an extra reason to look forward to going back to the House, adding more balance to the continuous death cycle being not just a punishing source of frustration but also a way to progress through the expanded cast's stories.

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 12:24 PM

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@safe trellis #hades-feedback

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I think

lost rose Feb 24, 2019, 12:25 PM

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Yes, although we'd prefer if feedback that was given was primarily feedback - your experiences with the game

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you can make suggestions, but you don't need to, and it's not encouraged necessarily

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It can make voting difficult

safe trellis Feb 24, 2019, 12:30 PM

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Yeah, it seems to me based on #hades-feedback's rules that it wouldn't fit there. I don't know. I understand that Supergiant doesn't really want to open a channel specifically for content ideas, because they're making the game, not the fans.

crude wyvern Feb 24, 2019, 12:37 PM

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@safe trellis I like your idea and funny enough, I was actually thinking about it myself, in regards to Orpheus looking for his wife. He might task Zagreus with seeking her out

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But since you can't backtrack, SG would just have to implement something (in the future) like: at chamber 35 Orpheus Sidequest occurs

safe trellis Feb 24, 2019, 12:44 PM

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That's why I was suggesting side-quests that specifically have to do with collecting quest-only resources. We already have "story events" that hinge on you interacting with a character during a run and then reporting back to a House NPC.

crude wyvern Feb 24, 2019, 12:51 PM

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Ah, I see what you mean

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yeah

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Atm i don't see a whole lot of replay value with Hades

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There's nothing incentivizing me to beat the final boss again

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At least on steam, there is achievements but on the Epic launcher there's not

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 12:58 PM

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I miss achievements :(

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And being able to see my playtime (like wth)

crude wyvern Feb 24, 2019, 1:00 PM

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ikr, it was one of the only reasons I played some of my steam games as long as I have

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 1:49 PM

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phew, just had a really silly run

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got both artemis and athena legendaries

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on sword tho, so I still almost died :V

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say, can you upload screenshots to the chat, or is that just not allowed anymore?

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 1:50 PM

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you'll need to upload to imgur or a similar site and link it from there

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 1:50 PM

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thank ye

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https://imgur.com/a/dwKVD40

Imgur

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 1:51 PM

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oof

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 1:51 PM

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casual 8 hp

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 1:51 PM

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that's a nice loadout

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 1:51 PM

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I know, right 😄

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armor slayer is really good on sword tho

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since sword is best when you can stunlock enemies

safe trellis Feb 24, 2019, 1:54 PM

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No matter how hard I try I still haven't once been able to get that Athena legendary.

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 1:55 PM

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have you tried getting the tier 2 upgrades?

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you need to first get a deflect, then a deflect modifier, and then you can get the legendary

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 1:56 PM

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christ

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yeah to get athena's legendary you need brilliant riposte

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i think

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 1:58 PM

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attack/special/dash or the "deflect on taking damage" boon, then brilliant riposte (increased deflect damage)

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 1:58 PM

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What does the legendary do?

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 1:59 PM

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ignore one instance of damage

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refreshes 20 seconds after taking damage

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 1:59 PM

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It's especially good against hydra, since you can hide until it's back up

safe trellis Feb 24, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Yes, I know how the boon tier structure works, but I haven't had much luck with the frequency of Athena's appearances and the contents thereof.

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Geez that’s a good legendary

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:01 PM

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support fire's still my favourite tbh

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:02 PM

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has anyone gotten support fire on the adamant rail?

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that would be some serious machine gunnery

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 2:02 PM

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it's insane

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Sometimes you just need a little more fun

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Gun*

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You know what both words fit

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:03 PM

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i got close once, but artemis decided not to offer it when i saw her the third time :c

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:04 PM

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I got pressure points once using a Dio boon that had the upgrade that can spread blight wine to enemies

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I basically just poked enemies and then watched them flail around and die

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 2:04 PM

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the boon that makes me absolutely lose it is ares' black metal

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look at this https://i.imgur.com/beIeR9i.jpg

Imgur

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:05 PM

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that's pretty funny

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:05 PM

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That’s some DBZ crap there

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:05 PM

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yeah, ares gets real fun real fast

safe trellis Feb 24, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Yeah, turning the ground into your personal blender can be a serious game-changer if handled properly.

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:05 PM

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ares cast is really good tho, since it never gets stuck

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:06 PM

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eh, that's exactly why i tend to avoid it if i'm not specifically aiming to run with it

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Same

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:06 PM

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since it doesn't stick in enemies, you'll never get the boiling blood bonus

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:06 PM

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I suppose

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 2:06 PM

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same goes for dio's cast

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:06 PM

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I just tend to forget boiling blood :V

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 2:06 PM

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and sometimes zeus'

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Boiling Blood is amazing tbh

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:06 PM

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gimme back my dash attack bonus :V

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Especially on runs where the boobs are being stingy about good Attack upgrades

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:07 PM

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hehehehehehe

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 2:07 PM

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actually i think dio's cast sticks to enemies if it lands exactly on them but im not sure

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yknow what im gonna try it

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hades time

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:07 PM

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I wish thee luck

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:07 PM

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I wonder if they should apply the boiling blood bonus to every enemy in the AOE

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:08 PM

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It would be really powerful on the ares cast

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Yeah that’s my worry

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:08 PM

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it would end up like the poor ol' zeus boon

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:08 PM

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I kind of wish it would just stick in the first enemy damaged

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:09 PM

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boiling blood is kinda hard to use against groups anyway

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:09 PM

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It’s a boss killer for sure

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when you’re fighting Hydra, 50% more damage is 50% damage

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:09 PM

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yep

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Out of curiosity, which Zeus boons are currently considered underpowered?

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:10 PM

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it makes me giggle because that means my opening move against meg is almost always hitting her with a cast, even if i haven't upgraded it yet and thus it just turns into me lightly slapping her with the bloodstone

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mostly just his attack since it got reverted back to how it was in the early patches

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:10 PM

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At least on my experience it’s mostly the chain lightning

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:11 PM

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the attack one

grand patrol Feb 24, 2019, 2:11 PM

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"here. a gem"

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"for you"

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:11 PM

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it's damage has been nerfed because it was too good with the adamant rail

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now it's just quite sad

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still, there is one thing I dont get, how are you supposed to kill the white hydra heads without getting hit with the sword?

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do you just have godlike reflexes?

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Spam special and dash attacks and only combo after long animations like the ground pound

grand patrol Feb 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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get nasty dash, run in circles around them

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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the white heads tend to telegraph decently enough for the groundslam

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Also Athena is invaluable imho with sword

grand patrol Feb 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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yesss

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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oh, by the way, something i figured out the other day that might help vs the hydra

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Projectiles are the biggest issue for sword so being able to deflect them is amazing

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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that seems reasonable, I almost died during the hydra fight because I tried to get mileage out of my crit boons

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and the dash attack is really bad with athena dash

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:13 PM

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the main head loses the bite attack after the opening phase

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the bite is really the only hard-to-avoid attack the hydra has imo, especially if you're in melee range

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 2:15 PM

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I'll keep that in mind, thank ye

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 2:17 PM

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yeah dio's cast doesnt stick to enemies

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:18 PM

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science!

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:21 PM

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If you have Athena dash then using it for deflects instead of attacks is great

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The timing is way different though and takes getting used to

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:39 PM

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@light nova I'm curious, how come you think Twin Shot is the worst upgrade in the game? Personally it's my favourite

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 2:40 PM

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How do u use it? Which gods or some type of gameplay u prefer with it?

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Maybe im dump as heel

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hell

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Well, it's good with anything the regular bow is good with - I'd probably avoid Poseidon's attack if I was running Twin Shot because of the knockback

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Artemis + Twin Shot is nice

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because then you have two shots that both have a chance to crit

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twin shot is also real good against armored enemies, because it counts as two separate hits

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with enough firepower, one shot takes out their armour and the other blasts a chunk of health off

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 2:43 PM

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I mean daedalus can give u aoe shots that allows u to curse ur enemyes with Ares curse or lightnings from Zeus

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But instead u take double shot

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:43 PM

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by aoe shots do you mean explosive shot? because that one makes you charge slower

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i don't like being slowed down

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 2:44 PM

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U slower but can stand far away

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:44 PM

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eh, i like the close-up playstyle more

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 2:44 PM

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In asfodel its like the real god gift

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:44 PM

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pew pew

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Ah

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:44 PM

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twin shot used to be point-blank shot and i took that one every time i saw it, so

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 2:45 PM

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How do u fight flying skulls with it?

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They are have super sonic speed and they are legion

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Im just tried to play having 75 heat and died of them like an idiot

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:46 PM

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they're not that fast

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unless you go pouring your heat into whipped frenzy, but i don't

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 2:47 PM

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Ah

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hahahhahaha

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Thats we are talking about

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 2:47 PM

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twin shot means i don't really have to charge a shot much to take out a numbskull anyway

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if they're armoured, sure, but if not

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 2:48 PM

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If they dont have additional hearts and speed i guess

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I text slow, sorry, engl not my language 😄

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:52 PM

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The thing to keep in mind too is twin shot still doesn’t exist in a vacuum

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Special can take out smaller stuff like skulls usually

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Especially if you get lucky and get Ares or something on it

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Maybe i should note in feedback that i play on pretty hard difficult to be understand

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Yes it can, if u dont have 3-5 skullomators in fight

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Skulls just take rule of shelds when they have extra hearts

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Also as i said maybe im dump

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 2:56 PM

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To be fair the extra hearts change things up a lot in terms of how you approach a fight with any weapon

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And I’d personally never choose the nullify damage hearts at the pact unless I was running super high heat and really had to

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Not unless I’m already planning to gun for Dio boons which turn it into a joke

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Im updated my feedback, now i taking dislikes for i dont know why 😄

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@pastel jolt how many heat did u ever take with twin shot?

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:05 PM

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i can't remember

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i haven't beaten 60 heat yet

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Well ill be waiting hahaha

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:06 PM

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you'll be waiting a while !

light nova Feb 24, 2019, 3:06 PM

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U know its personal now)

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Even with maximum Death Insurance the twin shot ought to gun down both hits in one shot

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 3:12 PM

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scored my 69th clear

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Nice

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:13 PM

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it does, prank

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Sweet

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Still wouldn’t help against armored targets but armored death insurance numbskull spawners sounds like absolute hell for any build

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 3:29 PM

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@pastel jolt I did some testing and getting 0 survival rooms in a run is around a 1.34% chance

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:29 PM

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ᕦ(ò_óˇ) i am Powerful

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 3:30 PM

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https://imgur.com/fohjhx9

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This is a model based off my understanding of the survival room calculation with a sample size of 1 million runs

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:30 PM

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O_O

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 3:31 PM

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(I haven't done 1 million runs, it just simulated the chances)

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:31 PM

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i gathered that much, yes ;P

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 3:31 PM

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😄

cinder bobcat Feb 24, 2019, 3:33 PM

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does anyone know what makes the shield good? because it's always seems weak compared to the other weapons to me

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Survivability

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:33 PM

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if you use it right

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which i don't :'D

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 3:33 PM

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blocking, knockback, bull charge

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all around lets you move around rly fast

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:33 PM

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i've accepted by now that shield just isn't a weapon i'm very good at using effectively, and that's okay

atomic panther Feb 24, 2019, 3:34 PM

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You can attack out of the charged attack and start charging a second one

cinder bobcat Feb 24, 2019, 3:35 PM

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ok figured it was good I guess it's just not for me then ty for answering

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:35 PM

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The best part for me is being able to attack safely

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Oh hey here’s a mob that’s like 10 armored Louts that with sword you’d have to spend two minutes kiting and poking

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:36 PM

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I like shield cause you can just madly slam into groups and use special for snipes

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Would be a shame if I rammed right into you at Mach 10

cinder bobcat Feb 24, 2019, 3:37 PM

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yeah I guess it's not for me because I always go pure offence

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can't die if everything else is dead XD

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Shield advocate here; a well placed bull rush can chunk down enemies seconds after they spawn in

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:37 PM

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For me shield is the most offensive friendly weapon in the game purely because you can barrel into mobs without a care

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Also has a nice mix of range/melee

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 3:38 PM

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hey uh, guys, you know the ares attack?

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it works with pressure point

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Yes it does

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 3:38 PM

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I was doing like 800 damage

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:38 PM

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So do Dio blight wine stacks

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 3:38 PM

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ye gods

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:38 PM

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I once had Dio Attack and ares special with pressure point

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Things died

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Want a fun time? Dio boon on bow special, boosted to level 4+

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I've never been less afraid of Asphodel in my life

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:39 PM

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It’s explicitly why if I get a good roll on Dio boons I strongly consider taking the Artemis keepsake in aphsodel to try and get pressure point

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:39 PM

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I just dont like bow special shadegrief

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 3:40 PM

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I haven't lucked out with that combo yet - I feel like I haven't seen Artemis as much as I used to, even with the keepsake

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Artemis is underrated imho

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:40 PM

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I rarely use bow or sword special at all

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Also Artemis is bae👌

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:40 PM

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That crit damage is no joke and True Shot is one of the best casts in the game

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 3:41 PM

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sword special cooldown makes it risky to use if you don't position it right

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:41 PM

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True shot with the extra shots 😫

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 3:41 PM

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see also: louts

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Sword special is amazing once you nail the timing

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 3:41 PM

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LOVE true shot though

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:41 PM

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But I just wanna hit em with World Breaker

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:41 PM

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I like to use its knockback to isolate things so I can combo them safely

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:42 PM

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I do like ares on sword special though, real fast clear

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What are the highest levels youve gotten on a boon btw? I think I got to level 7

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Ares on sword special with Dio on sword attack with Flurry hammer upgrade

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 3:42 PM

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say, what is the best god for the spear?

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also, level 5 for me

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Athena for me, dio on flurry

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Level 4 or 5 I think

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Poseidon can be fun with spear if you’re going for a special build

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Or Artemis for critty backstabs on special

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Knock them away with normal then viscous skewer them

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Explosive special and poseidon shadesmile

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Oh god

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 3:44 PM

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that, seems quite worthwhile to try, and I was overdue for a poseidon run anyway, ty

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:44 PM

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i've had a few level 6s

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Old level 6 zeus attack

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😫

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Yeah Dio is the King of DPS for fast weapons now I think

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:45 PM

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He is indeed

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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📎 unknown.png

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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^YISS

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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That’s a lot of damage

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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uhhhh a level 6 hunter dash that upped dash attack damage by 232%

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Oh lord

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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and this isn't really a boon, but

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📎 unknown.png

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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How hard did they nerf it btw?

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:47 PM

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slaps roof of Athena this baby can fit so many attack buffs

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:47 PM

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hunter dash? it's 50/75/100 now

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:47 PM

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My Artemis is getting wrecked every patch

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shadegrief

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Imho Artemis is generally good for crits but the dash attack boon is hot trash too often

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Do you guys think the sword special has too much lag after cast?

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:47 PM

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nah

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Its just slow Imo

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I dont think it fits sword anyhow

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:48 PM

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I thought it was slow at first but I feel given it’s power it makes sense

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I use it to make space and then dash after single targets to do my journals while everything else is knocked away

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Specials are werid man

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Yeah a lot of them are

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Sword special is literally just ((Cull)) from Transistor

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The one thing that’s weird to me about it is like, sword is a combo weapon but has this super slow special

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Ye

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:51 PM

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The power and knockback is fantastic bit it’s just odd

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Empowering Nova is low key my favorite hammer upgrade though

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Prankman, I dunno if sword special is strong, shield special bounces and hits 3 max average so 45 dmg (and safe)
Spear does 30 dmg minimum and can easily backstab (also safe)
Rail does 60 dmg and has the most safety
Bow does 80/90 dmg max and has more range than the sword

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:51 PM

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We need more hammer upgrades that incentivize using both the attack and the special

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See sword special is like Uber strong...in Tartarus

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 3:52 PM

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use! artemis'! cast!

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Because the bulk of its damage comes from knocking everything into walls like a mini-Poseidon

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Then would you put the shield on par with sword in tartarus? Cause the knockback on attacks plus the high wall damage is very potent

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:53 PM

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In Asphodel it’s falls off a lot I feel

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Yeah sword is amazing in Tartarus

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:54 PM

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I dont like knockback in Asphodel cause of two reasons

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Oh hey there’s a bunch of things gathering around Meg lemme just press Y

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 3:54 PM

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But would you put sword on par with shield in tartarus?

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Witches and Gorgons

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:54 PM

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That’s hard to say because shield is just super solid in general

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 3:54 PM

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On turtles point shield has a bettee special for witches and gorgons then sword

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:55 PM

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I’d say it has the potential to be on or with shield but it requires a good cast boon to make up for no range

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:55 PM

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High heat damage runs and gorgons=happy times

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:55 PM

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It’s the only weapon to require cast back up just to function sometimes

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 3:55 PM

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I’m glad I don’t see gorgons often cause their attacks are hard to track unless you’re looking for them

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:55 PM

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I like running aphrodite cast with sword

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 3:56 PM

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wig https://i.imgur.com/BlABSrx.jpg

Imgur

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Both have small range

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Ey dio

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 3:56 PM

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But wouldnt that be a hinderance?

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Dassa lotta boons

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Well not for my playstyle

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I go in with all the weapons shadesmile

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I meant in aspho

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 3:57 PM

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https://imgur.com/C6vcu6J
Chance of getting a survival room in a particular room in a run

Imgur

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(In theory)

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 3:57 PM

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I've gotta say, shield has probably been the most reliable at getting me through the boat level in asphodel

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So there's that

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Murder Boooat

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If there are no skellingtons its easy

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Bomb boys arent hard

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:58 PM

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i like how in all the patch notes, it's called the "river crossing", and yet everyone's just like. nah. nah it's called the murderboat.

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 3:58 PM

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In tartarus i see an elite room and I think easy room
In aspho i see elite room and I think no way in bloody hell

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:58 PM

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It really is the murder boat

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 3:58 PM

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see those skeletons? those are mine, from past runs

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Yeah seriously screw both Murderboat and Murdergorgon

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 3:58 PM

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shadesmile

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:58 PM

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my #1 tip for the murderboat

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 3:58 PM

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I much prefer murdergorgon

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:58 PM

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get rid of the explosive urns before the first wave spawns in.

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 3:59 PM

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I prefer neither

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Gorgon is only better if you have deflect or something

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 3:59 PM

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I'm the other way around - can't STAND megagorgon

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 3:59 PM

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there's just about enough time for all three urns to blow up before the first wave is done spawning and it means you don't have to worry about them

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Megagorgon with sword is absolute hell

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 3:59 PM

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how dare they punish me with this False Dusa

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Imho biggest problem with Megagorgon is it has like four attacks all with the same exact telepgraph

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:00 PM

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It used to be easier

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 4:00 PM

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I'd be happier with megagorgon if she didn't bring her crusher friend

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:00 PM

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I don't like that the megagorgon sometimes decides it wants to float towards the lava

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:00 PM

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yeah, and if you don't have deflect there's not much you can do about any of them

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:00 PM

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😦

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Now its random waves of spread and line

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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ship, you mean you don't like playing tennis with the gorgon while waiitng for her to remember where the level is??

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Is it gonna do shotgun rocks? Rapid fire rocks? Just kind of float there and stun you in an AOE?

crystal edge Feb 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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the amount of times I've dashed out of the way of a projectile to get smashed by the big guy

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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WHO KNOWS

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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@pastel jolt jermaPluto

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no : (

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Especially not with sword / shield

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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i was already in the channel why you gotta ping me shadegrief

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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I always gun down the stupid crusher first

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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because discord doesn't have a reply function yet

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jermaPluto

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(sorry)

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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I wonder if Medusa herself will be a boss someday

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:02 PM

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god, that emote frightens me

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:02 PM

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jerma's emotes sum up the human condition

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https://twitchemotes.com/channels/23936415

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 4:02 PM

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How would you address shields power dip in aspho?

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:02 PM

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wonder13ROBBIT

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:02 PM

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turtlemush, i'm not sure - medusa's definitely dead, because the gorgons (both mega and not) are born of her blood/ichor/whatever

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:02 PM

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I dont think it dips

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Oh

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Bone medusa? shadesmile

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:02 PM

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That emote sums up reaching the Hydra with full health and three Death Defiances and still losing

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:03 PM

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hahaha I had a heat run earlier which went exactly like that prankman

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:03 PM

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If demeter is the next god🤔

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 4:03 PM

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this supposed to reference something https://i.imgur.com/DNlfeZk.jpg

Imgur

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:03 PM

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I’m actually not sure Shield needs help in asphodel personally

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:03 PM

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What will her boons provide

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Cast makes food

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shadesmile

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:04 PM

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y'know, i never could work that one out

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Shield still has a viable ranged attack on top of bull rush and high survivability

autumn tapir Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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so what's the best way to pull off a dash attack with the bow?
I'm trying but I can't figure it out for some reason

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Sword is the one that really falls off

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Dash and attack

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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i know there's a couple references tucked away in there

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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I have no idea lol

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Hahaa

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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The timing actually throws me off on how rash

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Dash*

autumn tapir Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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thanks turtlemush

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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like how there's a ghost who was trampled to death and wants to talk to artemis about it

autumn tapir Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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never thought of that

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Anyday doc

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Realistically though

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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which i'm relatively sure is supposed to refer to hippolytus

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:06 PM

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I think its like half the time

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Of just standing still for perfect shot

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Not sure though

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:06 PM

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and the one about "prophecies catching up with you" who died from a falling tortoise is aeschylus

autumn tapir Feb 24, 2019, 4:07 PM

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it's annoying because I took the artemis boon that increases dash attack by 100% but charging the bow and then dashing to release the shot doesn't seem to count as a dash attack

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Ooh

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First dash then attack

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For every weapon

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Is the dash attack right?

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Dash attack boon is so inconsistent for me as far as which weapons it’s worth it for

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Yeah

autumn tapir Feb 24, 2019, 4:08 PM

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pretty sure, but the bow has charge time so that's impossible

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this is why I dislike the bow

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Like I don’t get the point of dash attack on shield when I’m spamming bull rush 90% of the time

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And sword dash attack is a joke

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Dash is best for shield and bow imo

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And ye sword dash and its 10 damage

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Whoopdidoo

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Hey I got 50% more damage on dash attack on sword I went from 10 damage to 15

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Such damage

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Amazing

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Much wow

autumn tapir Feb 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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guess I'll make a feedback post about this

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Spear dash attack is alrighty

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squirtdevious

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Spear dash is nice and ironically

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So is Exagryph’s

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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But

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Not really viable

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For GUN

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Yeah

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It’s still better than sword though

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Yea

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:10 PM

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I feel like sword dash attack being better would fix a LOT of problems with it

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:10 PM

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I think flurry blade upgrade should give Zag 2 swords

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Makes sense right?

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squirtheh

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:10 PM

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The game demands you play a poke game with it when entire mobs are armored

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But then gives you the wimpiest poke in existence

trail orbit Feb 24, 2019, 4:11 PM

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if ya get the coolant for the exagryph then dash attacks are really good

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Sword dash SHOULD feel like a DMC Stinger

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Instead it feels like a wet noodle

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Hammer upgrade for sword to become the dragon slayer from Berserk

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Easy fix

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:12 PM

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@autumn tapir - dash attacks aren't impossible to pull off on bow. they're just a lot less noticeable? dash attack on bow lowers the charge time so you can fire power shots faster

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:12 PM

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^

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Actually what if the sword dash got both a damage buff and the same knockback the thrust does?

autumn tapir Feb 24, 2019, 4:12 PM

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I've been using them I think and I swear there's been no difference

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:12 PM

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then you just end up chasing enemies

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Yeah that’s true

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:13 PM

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"oops, knocked them out of range"

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Oooo wait what if

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:13 PM

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nah, there's definitely a difference between dash bow and normal bow

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:13 PM

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There is the double dash attack upgrade that has a 40% chance to crit, but thats hot trash imo

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:13 PM

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The dash counted as the first hit of the three hit combo?

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You dash attack then go into second and third hit

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:13 PM

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That sound gut

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Dash attacks are a bit weird

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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It replaces the first strike when you do it

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Swords is bad

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And shields and Guns arent really dash attacks

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Theyre more "your attack is slightly faster after you dash"

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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And yeah I love the idea of the multi-hit dash attack on sword

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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And Spear outright doesnt have one to my knowledge

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Well shield makes you slam twice

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Does it?

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Yup

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If you dash and press attack twice

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Spear hits faster on dash I think

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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I never bothered using the shield dash attack because I just use bull rush for everything

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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You get a dash attack and a normal attack immideatly afterwards

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The dash attack seems to have a much lower winddown

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:15 PM

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I dislike bull rush mostly. No idea why🤔

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:15 PM

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I’ll keep that in mind the rare time I’m not bull rushing

autumn tapir Feb 24, 2019, 4:15 PM

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are you supposed to attack after the dash with bow or use the dash to release a charged shot?

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:15 PM

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After

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Attack after dashing

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Charge a lil

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Makes the charge timer faster

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:15 PM

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And let goo

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:15 PM

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And it needs to be like right away

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Like immediately after you tap dash, tap the attack button

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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dash, start charging, it charges faster, pew pew

autumn tapir Feb 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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oh that's
hm

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Pew pew indeed

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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You can tell if you did the dash attack with bow really easy, to fight Skelly and check the change time on a regular attack

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Then dash and try it

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It should take half the time to charge up

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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No hurt Skelly shadegrief

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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yes hurt skelly

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Bow is unique in that you have to hold Attack to charge it

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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NO

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Yeah he’s literally asking for it

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And possibly being paid for it

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Not quite half the time

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But its faster

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Hes paid to get hurt

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shadegrief

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:17 PM

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He seems to enjoy it

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Just admire Skelly from afar

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With GUN squirtdevious

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:17 PM

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I bet he had some interesting times with Aphrodite when he was alive given how much he enjoys being beaten up

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:17 PM

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shadeohboy

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:18 PM

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She was with Ares in the mythology if I recall right...

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:18 PM

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That seems more like Ares's realm

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Aphrodite is more about emotional destruction

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:18 PM

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I wonder if we will get to know who he was in life some patch

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Would be neat

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:18 PM

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And outright murder, I guess

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Aren’t Ares and Aphrodite lovers?

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Plot twist: Skelly is just old Hades travelling back in time

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Married righr?

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Thats hephaestus

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Skelly is dad

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:19 PM

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nah, aphrodite is married to hephaestus

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Oh right

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Thanks duderinos

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And them

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And dudettes

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:19 PM

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But she has 7 kids with Ares

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Aphrodite is in love with Ares but married to Hephaestus

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:19 PM

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she actually had way more children with her various lovers than with hephaestus

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Deimos, Phobos, Eros and a couple others

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I dont think she had any children with hephaestus

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:20 PM

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exactly

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:20 PM

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That’s because Hephestus is actually ace and she appreciates being around somebody who isn’t in it for the... “intimacy” once in awhile

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:21 PM

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source

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:21 PM

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My headcanon

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Which is clearly the most reliable source

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:21 PM

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i mean sure okay

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you have fun over there :D

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:22 PM

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It’s also better than just admitting Greek gods are horny jerks

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I actually hope Skelly can be set to attack you later on

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Along with being able to turn on boons and such in the training area

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Hephaestus did have children with aglaea

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:24 PM

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So we can test reflect and stuff

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 4:24 PM

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If you could pick the next god to be added to the game who would you pick and what would their boon trait be?

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:25 PM

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Anoia, and she would give you the ability that was added to the mirror recently

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 4:27 PM

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....that's a discworld god.

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Crossovers are great

primal cape Feb 24, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Jesus confirmed next patch

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Hermès

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Grants attack speed buffs that stack like Dio’s do like three or four times

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We don’t have anything that gives us Attack speed yet

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And rapid fire Exa mortars sound fun

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Only problem is that attack speed seems to break the game

plain wren Feb 24, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Attack speed buffs are a bit weird with the weapon system

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Flurry blade with extra as

plain wren Feb 24, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Yea that lol

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Hohoo

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Are you saying whipped frenzy breaks parts of the game

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:30 PM

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It breaks my mind

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If that counts

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Hi I’m a slam dancer let me just FLY ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLANET REAL QUICK

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Yeah Attack speed would be difficult to balance

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What about movement speed?

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Like you Attack and then move faster for a bit

plain wren Feb 24, 2019, 4:32 PM

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^^^

autumn tapir Feb 24, 2019, 4:32 PM

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hi my name is numbskull, I'm easy to kill
also you'll manage to miss every attack as I eat your jugular

plain wren Feb 24, 2019, 4:32 PM

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That is what I was thinking when you said Hermès

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Doom 2016 had speed buff after kill and it was amazing

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You became a doom slaying Flash

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Hello numbskull my name is Ares boon

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You have my permission to die when I breathe on you

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If WF is any indication some of the Pact stuff needs....work

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:39 PM

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I mean I love whipped frenzy

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But it does have some wonky interactions

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It needs a little bugfixin, thats all really

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:40 PM

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I wonder what else they could add to the pact

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Like they covered all the main bases pretty well

forest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 4:42 PM

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I think we were kind of talking about this yesterday, but one where all enemies become Elite might be within the realm of the Pact

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:42 PM

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What designates an elite enemy?

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Also the god properties from trials baseline

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Armour

forest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 4:42 PM

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The yellow outline/armour

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Ah

forest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Elite enemies have armour, more health, and move/attack faster

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I think it would be neat having the Trial god enemies for the Pact, but I don't think it fits with the Pact from a narrative perspective. The Trial enemies get their bonus from the offended god, while the Pact gets its power from Hades

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Could explain it as Hades copying those effects to torture Zag to “show him what Olympus is really like”

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:49 PM

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I mean it could work

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If you interpret it as Hades writing a rude letter to the gods and signing it as Zagreus

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:50 PM

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got a 7:10

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Haelian got a 7:07 though FeelsBadMan

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:51 PM

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What heat?

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:51 PM

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like, 10 or 12

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yea 12

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On whipped frenzy

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Why would you do that to yourself

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D=

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Pft speed runs don’t count unless you’re at 120 heat and playing with Donkey Kong Jungle Beat bongos

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:52 PM

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If you can have heat why make louts charge you

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:52 PM

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faster spawns, faster boss invuln periods

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Oh

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Makes sense then dusa

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:53 PM

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That’s actually a legit reason

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:53 PM

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If you can't beat the game on 180 heat with a Guitar Hero controller you're bad

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squirtdevious

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:53 PM

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I never thought how it would speed up boss phases

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I won’t lie I’ll likely get 120 once just for the challenge and then never again, just like when I did the all Idol stranger’s dream in Bastion

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Some of those modifiers together are just oof

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:54 PM

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yeah basically

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:54 PM

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I die plenty at low heat tyvm

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:54 PM

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Yeah that's why I didn't go for maxed out 20 heat whipped frenzy

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Don't want to throw runs at the hydra

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Oh about that

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Whipped Frenzy doesnt affect the Hydra

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Oh

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:55 PM

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I've seen people say that and don't think it's true

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I'll test it in a bit

hard holly Feb 24, 2019, 4:56 PM

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I mean I play at 50%

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And I didnt notice a change

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So it probably doesnt

plush blaze Feb 24, 2019, 4:56 PM

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I played at 50% and noticed a difference

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hence why I'm going to test it

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 4:57 PM

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One thing I’ve tried to do is plan kind of ahead for what I want to do and take my pact accordingly

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Like I’d rather deal with more health and speed on things than the higher gold cost if I intend to take Bone Hourglass

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 5:07 PM

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whipped frenzy affects every enemy

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even hydra

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at least it used to, i havent tried recently

viscid raft Feb 24, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Feel like I'm 3 months late to the conversation, but has there been any discussion on scaling the boons to the weapons? The nerf on the Zeus attack buff was quite brutal, still quite effective on the Exagryph. It feels like those should be somewhat based on attack speed.

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*still quite effective on the Exagryph, but utterly not on say, the shield.

covert grove Feb 24, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Ya I'd like to see the Zeus attack boon simply be a % of your attack damage instead of a flat amount across all weapons.

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 5:46 PM

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That actually sounds like a great solution

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Imagine World Splitter with that

viscid raft Feb 24, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Hah! It doesn't have to be a linear scale though, I'm sure there would be a fairly straightforward algo you could apply that stops it from getting crazy in those special circumstances.

When using the Exagryph, Zeus feels almost NEEDED because of how good it is, but it's probably the worst attack buff in the game now for the other weapons, by such a wide margin that the choice seems pointless.

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 6:29 PM

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yeah especially compared to Zeus' other boons

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Zeus dash is still hella rad

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ditto with Zeus special though I wish Zeus special had the chain lightning effect because personally as it is' it's basically just worse Ares special

plain wren Feb 24, 2019, 7:06 PM

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If you can get Zeus boons for attack/cast + more bounces + the legendary splitting on lightning then your screen is just filled with particles and it is lots of fun

formal drum Feb 24, 2019, 7:17 PM

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@autumn tapir If you dash while having the bow charged, this is considered as a dash attack too

safe trellis Feb 24, 2019, 7:31 PM

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I had never thought of Pact-augmented enemies as Hades's own version of the god-infused Trial enemies, but it actually makes a lot of sense.

hasty mauve Feb 24, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Oh lord the Poseidon Trial enemies

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Louts with that and whipped frenzy 😄

subtle shale Feb 24, 2019, 8:47 PM

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No thanks think I’d rather dunk my face in hydrochloric acid

plucky oxide Feb 24, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Unpopular opinion (at least I think it is)
I don't want to be able to try out boons before I start a run. I think it could potentially remove a lot of the 'play' out of the actual game. I see it get requested a lot that players want to mess with boons/synergies where Skelly is, but that really feels counter intuitive to me. I don't think it's up to the game designer to give the player all the keys to the castle. The fun for me is finally getting to see how good a build/combination can be by taking the risk to try it out.

plucky oxide Feb 24, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Then again i don't down thumb those because it's kind of hard to say no to someone trying to figure out the game. Having boon descriptions show up in codex or something for all the boons/gods you've chosen (and a toggle for common, rare, epic rarities) feels like a nice middle ground. Again, I could live without this feature, but I understand why people want these options. A better informed player means they'll be willing to try new things out instead of sticking to just a 'tried and true' method.

forest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 10:18 PM

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I'm not hot on having a testing ground myself, but having the boons appear in the codex would be fun

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Might be a good way to help people understand the tier system too

plain wren Feb 24, 2019, 10:27 PM

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people want a testing ground because Transistor had one. The problem is you don't get to plan out builds like with Transistor.

radiant night Feb 24, 2019, 10:31 PM

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I mean Transistor was much more of a strategy game in my opinion? I think putting boons in the codex would be the best route

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 10:35 PM

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it would also fit in with the idea that zagreus is supposed to be expanding on the codex

fading crescent Feb 24, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Having them in the codex for reference at least would be nice, yeah, and explaining how to get to legendaries after you get them the first time or something.

plain wren Feb 24, 2019, 10:48 PM

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a list of each boon in the codex under their respective god after you have taken it seems fine.

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 11:02 PM

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it begins https://i.imgur.com/A9cBgd1.jpg

Imgur

pastel jolt Feb 24, 2019, 11:04 PM

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oh so that's how tenebrous veil looks now!

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 11:06 PM

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im getting 51 darkness per room

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jesus

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ok i got utterly obliterated by armored numbskulls

forest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 11:13 PM

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The meta for 180 seems to be Bow + Poseidon because you desperately need to avoid taking damage and having enemies get close to you

proud storm Feb 24, 2019, 11:13 PM

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well im doing the complete opposite

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spear + ares curse

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ok so i died again but it was so unbelievably stupid i recorded it for your enjoyment

proud storm Feb 25, 2019, 12:06 AM

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please clap https://gfycat.com/FarflungWeepyLeafhopper

Gfycat

Hades 2019.02.25 - 00.15.34.01

▶ Play video

formal drum Feb 25, 2019, 12:06 AM

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@proud storm Wait, to get to 51, that means dark thirst is applied after every other multiplicator, and is rounded to the nearest value. Good to know !

proud storm Feb 25, 2019, 12:09 AM

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well it was a normal darkness room so it's 10 base darkness

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with that you got 180 heat which makes +360% bonus darkness

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and then dark thirst

formal drum Feb 25, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Yeah, but it could have been 370% bonus darkness, which means 47 darkness

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but it actually is 46 darkness + 4.6 rounded to 5 = 51

proud storm Feb 25, 2019, 12:10 AM

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ye

formal drum Feb 25, 2019, 12:10 AM

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So dark thirst is completely useless

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isn't

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sorry

proud storm Feb 25, 2019, 12:11 AM

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well it's kind of insignificant either way

formal drum Feb 25, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Well it adds up a bit in the long run, but yeah, I just use it as my "randomize your run" option

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Is there any pattern ? Or is it a random weapon different from the last run ?

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I haven't had the bow in ages, like 20 or so runs

proud storm Feb 25, 2019, 12:15 AM

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i dont think theres any kind of pattern

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though i havent really paid attention

formal drum Feb 25, 2019, 12:19 AM

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I seem to get a lot more of sword/shield/rail. Maybe a kind of ponderation, based on least played/least successful, but that seems unnecessary, can't find any reason why they would have coded that

proud storm Feb 25, 2019, 12:20 AM

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i got dark thirst on my spear which is how i cleared like 75% of my runs

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dont think it's based on that

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 12:30 AM

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Dark Thirst is basically there to incentivize you to try new stuff early on and then be able to afford basic stuff like multi-dash I think

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the Pact bonus is so much higher it laughs at Dark Thrist all the way to the Darkness Bank along with it's best friend Kingdom Hearts

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Survival rooms: Maybe tweak them so that just running away will give you the full timer, but each kill reduces the remaining time by 1 second or something? Increase the start timer to compensate?

It would stop them from being utterly the worst, most boring part of the game.

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 2:23 AM

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yeah they need something to them

forest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Sounds like you intended that to be in #hades-feedback @viscid raft ? Check the pinned messages in that channel for instructions on how to post there

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Perhaps that is a better place, yeah? I suppose I wanted to see how other players felt about it too. Thanks for the advice, though 👌

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 2:31 AM

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at one point I'd suggested making it so the survival rooms had finite spawns and then if you managed to clear it you'd get double the rewards

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but your suggestion maintains the spirit of the survival room more while still keeping the pace up I think

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maybe you could get some better rewards for clearing more enemies then too since it's such a pain to be aggressive against some of the survival room layouts

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like I better be getting paid a pretty penny for being asked to play offense against like ten armored gorgon heads and witches turning the map into R-Type

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 2:41 AM

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word

plain wren Feb 25, 2019, 2:44 AM

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you do already get gold for killing them right?

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Are you going to tell me you don't groan every time you get to a survival room?

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 2:52 AM

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I think you do get gold but like

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I expect the entirety of Fort Knox for that crap

covert grove Feb 25, 2019, 2:55 AM

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You only get gold for the first few enemies you kill

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 2:57 AM

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I think in survival rooms maybe with Ames’ idea of each kill lowering the timer, that you also get decent gold for each kill

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Like maybe Hades hired the wretched to try and kill Zag and paid them in advance

autumn tapir Feb 25, 2019, 2:58 AM

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I just got a murderboat immediately after a break room that came after megagorgon

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 2:58 AM

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F

plain wren Feb 25, 2019, 2:58 AM

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guys be mindful of spoilers

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 2:59 AM

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I thought spoilers were allowed in the gameplay channel

forest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Spoilers are fine here, yeah

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@autumn tapir Ha ha yeah, I've had that a few times, makes life interesting squirtheh

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:02 AM

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“Interesting”

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The lowly regular skeletons are the toughest part of that room imho

forest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Yeah, the Bloodless on murderboat can be rough

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:03 AM

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They lunge everywhere and it’s so small a space it’s hard to see where they’re going

autumn tapir Feb 25, 2019, 3:05 AM

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no its the fourteen bombers combined with invincibility
they mob around the invincible givers so you can't even hit them

forest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 3:06 AM

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I suppose that depends what weapon/upgrade combo you're running

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Yeah it’s definitely a toss up. Them body shielding the barrier things is both impressive and infuriating

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How well murderboat goes depends entirely on if you got the right upgrades to separate them

autumn tapir Feb 25, 2019, 3:14 AM

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wait hold on is fated authority only once per run?
that makes it a lot less powerful than I thought

forest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 3:15 AM

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You get rerolls equal to your ranks in FA, yes

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Yeah. 1000 for first use, 2000 for second use, 3000 for third use

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Yeah it’s basically a darkness sink for gunning for super specific builds

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 3:16 AM

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right

autumn tapir Feb 25, 2019, 3:16 AM

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welp time to pump all that darkness back into God's Pride

forest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 3:16 AM

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It's also a good way to avoid having to take a boon from a god you don't want

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Pft a real player would run mirrorless with maxed Stifling Darkness

forest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 3:17 AM

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I did that, once, when Meg taunted me about using the Mirror

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:17 AM

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If you can’t no hit run the entire game mirrorless at 120 are you really playing Hades /s

forest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Kappa

atomic panther Feb 25, 2019, 3:21 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/549430585416876053/unknown.png
Didn't get the legendary, nor did I get the attack buff I wanted (Artemis) but super happy about the build anyway

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6 seeking shots is fun

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:25 AM

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I just realized the possibility of combining Skull Earring with After Party

atomic panther Feb 25, 2019, 3:27 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/549432002093383711/unknown.png
Turns out a stream of 36 seeking projectiles is really strong

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Giving the hydra a taste of its own bullet spammy medicine

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:29 AM

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My favorite thing I've done so far was Ares cast with Artemis 10% crit, dash blade rift, and 93% increased size

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I call it... "But will it blend?"

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It absolutely liquified Hydra

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Get some Blight Wine into that smoothie for some extra kick

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:30 AM

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I did. I was running adament rail with shotgun

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Good lord

atomic panther Feb 25, 2019, 3:30 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/549432991395610645/unknown.png
And now, what I was trying to do last run, crits with vicious skewer

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Instant 5stacks with the cast

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:31 AM

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Imagine once we get a new biome and it becomes easier to get legendaries consistently due to the length

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There’s gonna be some insane builds

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:32 AM

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I have a crit run with vicious skewer if you want to see it. I got it up to 300%. Crit dmg

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The possibilities on the new biome with that are going to be great I think

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I'm working on trying a special bow run with artemis but my power went out :((

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Same earlier 😦

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Lots of nasty wind today

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Yeah. There's like 49,000 people out of power here in MI

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Oof

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:36 AM

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But anyway back to gameplay lol

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I think the crit special bow with piercing+armor damage special is going to be really potent

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I've done the double the special shot run and it felt amazing but I think the app and armor damage would suit it better

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Aoe* not app

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Darn phones

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:39 AM

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I’m wondering what sort of enemies we’ll see next

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Like everybody thinks it’s gonna be Elysium and that place was pretty nice as far as underworlds are concerned but Asphodel was also less....lava-y in mythology so who knows what kind of demons we’ll see

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Whatever they may be Im sure that with supergiant behind it well have some really cool themes and interesting things to face.

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If not downright terrifying to deal with lol

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Yeah absolutely

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Maybe an enemy that can reduce your on screen vision or something with a dot effect

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Like a bunch of heroes and such supposedly went to Elysium so there’s plenty of opportunity for seeing maybe some warrior ghosts with advanced movesets

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Like gladiators that can parry and counter

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:45 AM

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That'd be interesting

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:45 AM

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We have very few enemies that do anything like a screen screw so that’d be neat to see if they were used sparingly

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:46 AM

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I wouldn't mind more challenging debuffs to handle too. Not quite like dusa stuns but maybe an enemy can root you to a small area or disarm you so you can only use your cast for a moment

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Or maybe something that adapts to your playstyle for the run. Like a miniboss that takes significantly reduced if not completely nullified damage from one of your hits until you hit it with a different type of attack for a threshold of it's life

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:52 AM

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Oooo yeah

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Kind of like how the Men in Transistor could do different stuff and were only vulnerable briefly

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:52 AM

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Yeah

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Except this time the enemies would be reacting specifically to what you’re doing

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Yeah

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As far as common fodder though maybe something like a phalanx type. Immune to damage from the front until you can break an armor like shield or find a moment of vulnerability where you can backstab to circumvent. Not a big deal for skewer but other things might dislike it

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Yeah stuff you need to really position yourself tactically to deal with

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Exactly

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:00 AM

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Oooo what about an entire group of enemies that can kind of “combine” into a shield wall

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The Greeks are where we get the phalanx from

timid stump Feb 25, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Could be interesting. I feel like to do that they would need increased movement speed to make it work

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There's lots of possibilities

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Eh, not really, just give shielded enemies a slower turning speed. Zagman can dash.

atomic panther Feb 25, 2019, 5:15 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/549458893185613825/unknown.png
Behold, the majesty of The World Splitter! My biggest crit so far was 740, let's see if I can't get more on the boss

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Got 762 😎

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/549460329042804746/unknown.png
New personal best! Previous record was held by pre-nerf zeus attack + flurry jab

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 5:21 AM

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Aye congrats!!

atomic panther Feb 25, 2019, 5:25 AM

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I did two runs with the sword bc I wanted to test Artemis crits and got Flurry Blade then World Splitter and now I have 2 clears with the sword. Today was good to me

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 5:36 AM

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!! So proud 😔

atomic panther Feb 25, 2019, 5:37 AM

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And now I slee🅱 bc I have school tomorrow

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 5:39 AM

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S-same,,,,

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But I played hades instead of doing homework

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 6:12 AM

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so

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I just had probably my most fun shield run in the game

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https://imgur.com/a/mUdjaXc

Imgur

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I call this... The Pain Train

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 6:50 AM

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Is this a glitch? There seems to be no cooldown or lockout between wall smash and bullrush. Clipped last night, I killed the first of the inferno bombers in a couple of seconds (basically one command, it manages to hit maybe 20-30 times in the space of one second.) https://www.twitch.tv/cjolnir/clip/PrettiestSarcasticCheesePanicVis (happens in the first couple of seconds.)

Twitch

CJOLNIR Playing Hades - Twitch Clips

Multiple Wall Slam - Clipped by Morbid_Wisp

▶ Play video

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 7:35 AM

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I didn’t manage to get them on a wall but I’ve definitely noticed sometimes when bull rushing that the rush is super short coming out of a dash and had that same kind of drilling look that you had when you had them on the wall

reef cedar Feb 25, 2019, 8:36 AM

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@subtle shale yeah, that seems to happen when you bull rush along a wall or edge of a pit. It should probably change the direction to be inline with obstacle or something.

safe trellis Feb 25, 2019, 11:12 AM

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Honest question: do you guys think the game would suffer/benefit from adding an "ultimate move" to each weapon? You know, a big damage/big area of effect attack that can only be used once every few rooms, dependent on a "special" bar that is slowly filled by dealing and taking damage. It's the sort of gameplay mechanic that you often see in other games but I can't quite make up my mind on whether Hades would be made worse of better by it.

(Although it would certainly help against those blasted elite Skull-o-mats on max Whipped Frenzy and Shared Misery...)

plush blaze Feb 25, 2019, 11:33 AM

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I like the idea

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Also yeah I've had a similar thing with the shield resulting in multiple wall slams along a wall before

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Only once though

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Might test to see if there's a setup for it

green musk Feb 25, 2019, 11:53 AM

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idk why so many people downvote the chaos boon suggestion.

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like

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every had a light of ixon spawn in the shop

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or chaos gates in general near the hydra

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"Oh, the next room is the first shop, I suppose I can safely take this chaos boon."

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"NOPE."

proud storm Feb 25, 2019, 1:37 PM

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today i learned brimstones can move while firing their laser if you have whipped frenzy

light nova Feb 25, 2019, 1:59 PM

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I just got Chaos debuff that grants me 79% more foes for 4 encounters. In return i have... +29% darkness

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Is it legal to have SO much darkness buff? 😄

grand patrol Feb 25, 2019, 2:00 PM

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chaosuwu anything can be possible, son of hades

light nova Feb 25, 2019, 2:01 PM

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i been sarcastic ofc, i had +129% foes in total

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That's insane

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I think boons from Chaos should be skippable.

grand patrol Feb 25, 2019, 2:03 PM

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they...are, though, just dont go in

light nova Feb 25, 2019, 2:03 PM

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I mean even if u took them

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He's not so mad god as everyone else

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he wont be offended at u for that 😄

grand patrol Feb 25, 2019, 2:05 PM

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i think theyd be very offended if you showed up and refused their gifts! the power to bend reality, and you reject it? 😂 skipping chaos gates if you dislike the boons is probably best!

light nova Feb 25, 2019, 2:06 PM

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How can i put the srceen shot here? Im stupid lol

grand patrol Feb 25, 2019, 2:06 PM

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use a link from imgur pls!

light nova Feb 25, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Thanks

plain wren Feb 25, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Making the chaos boons similar to Daedalus boons is actually a lot more work than you think. There is a very good reason why you can only get one Daedalus boon per run. More “Daedalus boon” effects can also cause a lot more bugs in the game.

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Imho I don’t think Chaos needs any huge rework or anything, their reward just needs to be higher for the massive risk being taken

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Sometimes it really is worth it, like I had 40% more special damage after four rooms and that kind of effect is amazing. The problem right now is for every one of those there’s ten chances at “get 10% more gold for taking 59837378% more damage”

plush blaze Feb 25, 2019, 4:23 PM

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I had a choice between a chaos gate and a centaur heart, went for the gate
Only good chaos boon was a boon which gave +17hp

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jermaPluto

plucky oxide Feb 25, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Right now the only reason I have to go to Chaos is for a chance at doubling down on a cast build. Chaos can buff your offensive capabilities on attack/special/cast that have already been invested in by other boons, making it somewhat unique in that respect. (Ares having flat % damage increase to casts and Artemis having additional casts + global critical chance). By running into chaos, I can potentially get more casts and more damage %.

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The boons that give increased campaign-rewards don't feel that great, and taking health can be riskier than a centaur heart.

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Meanwhile, looking for Attack % and Special % from chaos feels like searching for a needle in a haystack.

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An additionally nice thing from Chaos, is that the boons aren't added to your Pom upgrade pool, helping to re-enforce very tight builds.

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Yeah like, I understand that Chaos can’t be made too strong without breaking the game

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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The reward is usually not really worth the risk, which is my main problem with it

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Yeah they’re usually weaker than just regular centaur hearts and such

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:28 PM

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I rarely go for chaos gates unless I have a decent amount of health already

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Do Chaos rooms count as a chamber?

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:28 PM

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I was wondering that too

violet stirrup Feb 25, 2019, 4:28 PM

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centaur mini boss anyone?

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Yes plz

violet stirrup Feb 25, 2019, 4:29 PM

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im just imagining botw lynels

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:30 PM

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It'd be cool to have a maze minotaur boss? not sure how it would work in context of the game though

plucky oxide Feb 25, 2019, 4:30 PM

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In other words, right now I don't feel the need to go to chaos unless my build is stable enough to afford the inherent risk. I'd like it if going to chaos meant taking an inherent risk in order to stabilize my build, but that hardly ever happens. The worst example of this is boon rarity.

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:30 PM

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^ Yeah

violet stirrup Feb 25, 2019, 4:30 PM

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the maze could be a ruin

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also, anyone think supergiants gonna add undead cronus as a boss

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since titans r kept in hell

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like a secret boss

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Problem with Boon rarity is it takes four chambers to even get the effect and unless you got Chaos in the first two or three rooms that means you’re almost halfway through the run before you get that chance

violet stirrup Feb 25, 2019, 4:31 PM

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we need ultimate boons

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that give u an active ability

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:32 PM

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I think the ability should work from the get go, but the bane is still there

pastel jolt Feb 25, 2019, 4:32 PM

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re: the health needed to go see chaos, it's a lot less if you remember that you get healed from cthonic vitality when you enter and exit

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:32 PM

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I’d be okay with a legendary Chaos boon that was basically a screen nuke but was single use

violet stirrup Feb 25, 2019, 4:32 PM

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ye

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:32 PM

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True @pastel jolt

plucky oxide Feb 25, 2019, 4:32 PM

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@pastel jolt aye, that it is!

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Yeah the health price gets refunded fast

violet stirrup Feb 25, 2019, 4:33 PM

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we need potion of ambrosia

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to heal ourself

plain wren Feb 25, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Chaos rooms are chambers

violet stirrup Feb 25, 2019, 4:33 PM

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but unlocked as an upgrade

pastel jolt Feb 25, 2019, 4:33 PM

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healing potions would be extremely broken

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Dionysus has an upgrade like that

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boon*

violet stirrup Feb 25, 2019, 4:33 PM

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yea

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what would hades boons be

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execute? death?

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:34 PM

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What doesn’t get refunded is damage taken by taking taking the “20% more Darkness but every enemy drops a bomb” and then getting a room full of Skull O Mats

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:34 PM

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every room is a survival room

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Hades screams as you the entire run

pastel jolt Feb 25, 2019, 4:34 PM

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then you get very good at dodging things

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:34 PM

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every chamber is another hades boon

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your cthonic vitality becomes negative

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:35 PM

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If I was good at things I wouldn’t be asking a reality bending primordial being for help

pastel jolt Feb 25, 2019, 4:35 PM

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i've had "every enemy drops a bomb" on skullomat rooms and it wasn't an issue

warm lagoon Feb 25, 2019, 4:35 PM

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id be okay with an Ares boon where he screams every time you take damage

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Ares boon but every time you attack you hear Kratos from GoW scream AREEEEEESSSS

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:36 PM

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omg

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:36 PM

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And it stacks for multiple procs

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Ares boon but he cheers everytime you beat someone

plucky oxide Feb 25, 2019, 4:37 PM

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The bomb dropping one is alright in my eyes. But if all im getting out of it is a %darkness/gold/rarity increase for the stuff I'll be getting five rooms from now, it doesn't really feel... quantifiable? In any real positive way.

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Dionysus boon but every time you hit something with blight wine the enemies hiccup like that Looney Tune stork

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:37 PM

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omgggg

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Dionysus boon but you get drunk

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Zag becomes TF2 demoman

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I’M GONNA HIC TAKE YOUNJ TO THE...PAIN TRAIN STATION

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:38 PM

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oh my god please

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:39 PM

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The worst Chaos boon imho is like

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-X health on dash

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:39 PM

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every attack is like, +200% damage but the direction of the attack is completely random

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:39 PM

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So anarchy Gauge from BL2

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“You’ll be sorry once I actually hit something!”

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:41 PM

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I wish there was something where you could bring Cerberus with you on runs

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It'd be broken but god i just wanna bring my dog

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Zom, I'd expect him to be the penultimate boxx

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:42 PM

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no o o O O O OO

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:42 PM

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I know what you meant but my first thought was the ice nunchucks from DMC3

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:42 PM

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II---

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Hades featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Dante is the final boss

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:43 PM

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He’d be impossible to kill

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Zag, sobbing

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Dante literally killed god in the first game he was in

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:43 PM

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to be fair Zag wouldn't stand much of a chance against Dante

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:44 PM

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zag, sobbing

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Bayonetta might have a thing or two to say to Dante though..

pastel jolt Feb 25, 2019, 4:45 PM

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death battle says dante would win but that's offtopic for here

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:46 PM

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True, wonder if we will run into Perseus at some point, that's on-topic, right?

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:46 PM

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I hope we fight Achilles

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Like Hades forces him to fight you

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Knows you’ll hold back against him

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:47 PM

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I think that will be the thing with Cerberus. We already have jilted lovers though

pastel jolt Feb 25, 2019, 4:47 PM

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i wonder if pirithous is still somewhere down in the underworld

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:47 PM

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oh no

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Megaera is clearly Zag's girlfriend

pastel jolt Feb 25, 2019, 4:47 PM

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running through asphodel and you just find some poor schmuck stuck to a chair

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Perseus would be great

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Maybe he beheaded the Megagorgon

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:48 PM

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I'd be great to have another Sisyphus room but for asphodel

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:49 PM

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That woud have to be Prometheus

atomic panther Feb 25, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Correction: Megaera was Zag's girlfriend

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:50 PM

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or it might even be cool to meet Daedalus, being harried by harpies in elysium

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Well, I'm guessing RIGHT UP until the opint that the game starts, and they are only "breaking up" for the simple fact that Zag decided to leave

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so Meg feels betrayed for that

radiant night Feb 25, 2019, 4:51 PM

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I always though meg and zag were more like siblings?

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Nah, their history is more complicated

atomic panther Feb 25, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Meg wants him to escape (and as if that would stop them this is Greek Mythology)

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Also, many brother and sister gods are lovers

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Furthermore, they have different parents anyway. Nyx is not Zags mum. Persephone is

atomic panther Feb 25, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Hades ||is Persephone's uncle but he has a kid with her||

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:53 PM

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what we need: 2 player mode. second player controls Meg

atomic panther Feb 25, 2019, 4:53 PM

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She may not be Zag's biological mother but she is his adopted one. He and Hypnos, for example, are definitely still brothers in every aspect of their interactions.

viscid raft Feb 25, 2019, 4:57 PM

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Another character is floating about too: considering that Orpheus is a captive to Hades, Eurydice must be about

lapis garden Feb 25, 2019, 6:03 PM

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She might have just returned to Asphodel as a wretch though

warm lagoon Feb 25, 2019, 6:28 PM

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That would explain why Orpheus is so bummed, but I can't see SGG not delving into that story

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Maybe you team up with Orpheus later to find her?

subtle shale Feb 25, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Orpheus is your bard and gives you power-ups with the power of song

plain wren Feb 25, 2019, 7:12 PM

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oh, well if you have the shield special goes faster, if you are close enough to a wall or enemy, you can use the special faster than the animation

plain wren Feb 25, 2019, 7:27 PM

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and i can jsut hold down the special button and it automatically throws the shield

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well i have my run

gaunt schooner Feb 25, 2019, 7:40 PM

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anyone else finding the new weapon a bit lackluster when it comes to survivablity and being able to dodge i love the concept and idea of it but i just find myself using the other weapons over it.

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shield and bow are the bread and butter love them.

ionic field Feb 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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I'm sure I'm not the only one that said "they must be exes" from Meg's first line

plucky oxide Feb 25, 2019, 7:59 PM

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@gaunt schooner I think if/when you're not stuck in reload animation and can cancel it to move / dash, it'll feel a lot better. This is doubly important with the shotgun hammer upgrade, putting you in that locked animation all the time in close quarters.

gaunt schooner Feb 25, 2019, 8:04 PM

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ya i found that when i mostly got hit was during the reload animation it has the ability to be a top tier weapon hope they fix some of these issues then again it was only just released is there any deadalus hammer upgrade that increases the radius of the special or increases the fire rate of the rockets only encountered the one where it shoots 5 with -50% each shot fired.

plucky oxide Feb 25, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Nope

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The shooting five one is great imo

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Covers wide portions afar, but if you aim it right on top of Zag it does crazy damage.

gaunt schooner Feb 25, 2019, 8:06 PM

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ya my only concern is the area denial once fired i find my shoots mostly miss because of the speed of the enemys not to much of an issue in later rounds where you are surounded half the time lol

plucky oxide Feb 25, 2019, 8:09 PM

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I find most AI to move in a predictable pattern, beyond a few witches and pesty urns. With that radius, range, and high base damage it's gotta have some sort of tradeoff.