I don't really care for it tho
#h1-builds-and-combat
kind fiber
I haven't seen how useful it is
They could potentially rework her cast into that, charm an enemy for the duration the cast is imbedded into them
subtle shale
Ah, I haven’t used her stuff much and only started playing a few days ago so o wasn’t aware
hard holly
Its never turned any enemy for me
pastel jolt
i've gotten it Once and it was right before i faced the hydra
pastel jolt
side note, it's so weird going back to my video of my first hydra kill and being like "EVERYTHING IS SO DIFFERENT"
kind fiber
Well
subtle shale
I remember back in Transistor charm builds were not only viable but like, obscenely strong
kind fiber
Think about what that will be like in a year
pastel jolt
i can see it working on the bloodless in the fight but then i immediately kill them lmao
kind fiber
Were they? I don't think I used a charm build
subtle shale
Yeah charm was amazing there because you also had stealth and some other ways to just yeet on out of the fight for awhile
pastel jolt
also this is making me cringe because why was i not shooting the eggs
kind fiber
How was it powerful?
Was it powerful just in the sense that it was capable of dealing alot of damage or what?
subtle shale
You could charm multiple enemies at once for one, and if you used the stealth chip you could stop enemies from aggroing you altogether and just watch everything kill each other
By the time the charm wore off the cooldown would usually be over and you could cast it on whatever’s left
hard holly
Because the game isnt really telling you what the eggs do
You might assume theyre bombs or other kind of damaging abilities and just avoid them
lost rose
fun fact, the code name for the eggs is "hydra teeth"
just a neat little argonautica reference for ya there
subtle shale
Yeah I just learned they’re eggs and not bombs myself UNO
kind fiber
Eh, they still don't really seem worth the time to destroy
subtle shale
I assumed they were bombs counting down to explode on my face and started blitzing right on out of there
kind fiber
Just let em spawn and come to you
pastel jolt
wait ven really
lost rose
yes!
like in the story of jason
when he had to sow a field with serpents' teeth
and then they leapt up into warriors that he had to fight
pastel jolt
.....huh.
lost rose
they don't LOOK like teeth. but. you know
subtle shale
That’s super cool actually
pastel jolt
okay which absolute nerd did that
lost rose
my money's on greg
pastel jolt
"hey we should put a neat mythological reference into the name of this enemy that will never be seen ingame"
subtle shale
Hopefully the same one who decided to put a mortar launcher in a game about Greek mythology
pastel jolt
listen exagryph is awesome
it makes eagle noises when you reload
nothing could be cooler.
hard holly
Oh wow, you can actually just read the Hades files
lost rose
yep!
hard holly
Good lord I have no idea what any of it means
lost rose
Hahaha
subtle shale
So speaking of Transistor, I noticed the animation for the Nova Strike on the sword is the same one as Red using Cull
lost rose
Lua is pretty straightforward. you'll figure it out
hard holly
Ive been so absorbed in this stupid overly narrow useless HDL thing
That I guess I lost the ability to comprehend regular languages
kind fiber
@subtle shale Are they exactly the same? I noticed that they were obviously similar but never looked into it further
lost rose
Yeah, there are a number of particle and lighting effects that get reused game to game where relevant
subtle shale
I’m not sure if they’re identical but I used Cull a lot so I recognized the similarities
lost rose
the audio effect on orpheus' singing when going from the main hall to zag's room is also a filter they used in Transistor for turn, i'm pretty sure
every single time it happens i'm like "oh, turn()?"
subtle shale
Imagine if Zag could use Turn()
kind fiber
Just needs to find the red Goddess
pastel jolt
unovven, where do you think i've been getting all this neat data for the wiki from? ;P
lost rose
they do, yeah, tho i wouldn't recommend digging a whole lot unless ur like, ok with possibly seeing stuff ur not supposed to see yet
just as a general rule
pastel jolt
yeah that's the thing
kind fiber
Correct
But if you have Athena's boon on it, its very similar to the concept of parrying
lost rose
there's an ability or something called peerless parry somewhere isn't there?
subtle shale
It can nullify projectiles by default
pastel jolt
used to be
hard holly
Thats a shield one
kind fiber
Isn't that the boon that increases deflection damage?
hard holly
Im just looking through the weapon files
pastel jolt
you're thinking of the old shield boon yeah
lost rose
it's been 10,000 years....
hard holly
And there is something about parry in there
kind fiber
The 20% damage reduction boon?
hard holly
And Im a bit confused because Im pretty sure we have no such thing
pastel jolt
unovven i think "parry" refers to the sword's special
hard holly
Nah
Shield used to have an upgrade that increased deflect damage by 500%
Ohhh
Not the word I wouldve gone for, but ok
pastel jolt
i mean it's not like we're meant to be looking at this stuff
kind fiber
Yeah, but you'd expect they'd have appropriate wording for internal usage
hard holly
Fair
pastel jolt
as long as they know what it is does it really matter
hard holly
I mean it does make me question how their naming scheme works
lost rose
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hard holly
Then I look at the old assignments sitting on my desktop
With names such as "assignment112"
And think, yeah, maybe I shouldnt judge
kind fiber
You'd still expect the wording for code to be easy to understand at a glance for the sake of your colleagues, even if you don't care if the customer can understand it or not
grand patrol
if we hear them complainin on noclip then you can get annoyed then
lost rose
i doubt they care what we think of their code practices
kind fiber
sure, doesn't ultimately matter if it works for them
hard holly
Anyway, guess there is nothing to find about a new weapon in the files
lost rose
and if there was you wouldn't be allowed to put it here, lmfao
hard holly
Im almost disappointed
lost rose
hard holly
I mean Im looking for my own curiosity
Already found some things that, to be honest, I expected anyway
lost rose
yeah but keep it to yourself if you find something you're not supposed to see
lost rose
hat.
hard holly
Sure
lost rose
this is the gamer honor code
hard holly
But since you already know this stuff
Where are the boons located? I wanna check some numbers
hard holly
Ok, found it, not sure where you find how much the pom upgrades, however
hard holly
Hold on, poms give you 16% extra on Athena and Poseidon, right?
hard holly
It used to be 20, but its not anymore
I thought it was 18
But that wouldnt make much sense
I see, this makes sense
Poms give you a boost of 40% of the boons base strength
hasty mauve
You know something I don't
hard holly
Rounded up
hasty mauve
So
hard holly
I know a lot of things you dont
hard holly
Nah its 40% on everything
hasty mauve
Ah
hard holly
In case of flat boons, you get 40% of the flat value on each upgrade
In case of percentage boons, you get 40% of the percentage value on each upgrade
Athena and Poseidon are 16%
hasty mauve
Good old Zeus
hard holly
Aphrodite is, uh
upbeat junco
last time i checked poms upgrade zeus aa by 3
upbeat junco
yea overnerfed
upbeat junco
it might not be a percentage but just what they think is appropriate
upbeat junco
hmm yea then thats weird because pom definitely upgrades zeus by 3
subtle shale
Hopefully Zeus gets a buff again. I like the idea some folks have offered where the damage increase is based on the speed of the weapon
subtle shale
So we avoid the Gatling Death Rail of Super Death
upbeat junco
Yea currently IMO Zeus and Dio are both balanced towards normal runs whereas they're significantly harder than other builds in heat runs or just in general
Yea but your unlikely to get Zeus Legendary
hasty mauve
I like dio in heat runs 🤔
Except that he crashes the game on Asphodel cause of too much stuff going on at the same time
Dio pls
hard holly
I mean if anything, he freezes the game
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upbeat junco
I haven't tried Dio on anything except the rail because that's the best weapon for it IMO, but even so the other weapons have better builds for them in heat runs wouldn't they?
subtle shale
A god managing Za Warudo by getting super drunk is the most Greek thing I’ve ever heard
upbeat junco
Take bow for example, Dio can be used with rapid fire, but if you just use Artemis dash and Athena/Poseidon attack you're much better off
upbeat junco
same with Spear and I guess Shield
hasty mauve
Shield is fun cause it works with every single build
Except Zeus nowadays I guess. Zeus special still okeleydokeley
upbeat junco
Wouldn't shield's best build be knockback because it has inherent knockback and poseidon can give extra damage to that?
hasty mauve
But
Concussive Blows or whatever the name is
On hammer
Make hit strong but no knockbackius
Then just get poseidon and you get it back. Woohoo
But yeah Shield is probably best for poseidon or Ares runs
upbeat junco
Exactly, so the ideal build would be concussive with poseidon
hasty mauve
Also Athena.
upbeat junco
Poseidon on attack, with Ares on special seems like it'd really good
hasty mauve
Quite quite
I feel like the bow special is simple poopoo btw
Only reason I can think of using it for is either Athena special for deflect or poseidon for knockback
🤔
kind fiber
With the patch its less risky to use and deals pretty good damage, its probably not a top tier option but it is viable, especially with how huge Athena's special boon's damage increase is
kind fiber
Eh, well, you can shoot people in melee as well lul
hasty mauve
Yes but you cannot hit them on head with big sword
kind fiber
Pfffftt, just stab them with an arrow like Legolas
kind fiber
Obv
hasty mauve
What if you just shoot the sword out like an arrow?
kind fiber
Well, you can't do that if you don't take the bow
hasty mauve
Take all the weapons at once and become a one man band of carnage and destruction
kind fiber
Or, you'd need to somehow make a bow out of swords or sumthin
upbeat junco
Or just go gunblade with gun and sword
hasty mauve
BLADEGUN
upbeat junco
what if you shoot the gun from the bow?
upbeat junco
Farewell
turbid needle
i just did a poison shield toss build with artemis arrows flying everywhere and it was pretty sweet
radiant grove
am I bad or is the shotgun just bad
kind fiber
I'm not sure, seems more cumbersome than I'd like but it does boast power
kind fiber
I believe my first run with it went pretty well
radiant grove
I got to aspho but I dont like it
manic goblet
same
you can dash out of danger but two shots are done so fast
so you burst and dash out every second
and reload for what feels like twice the time
turbid needle
it feels good with the artemis boon where every time you shoot, you shoot an extra projectile
just kidding
i meant that without the shotgun thing
the shot gun thing feels terrible with the forced reload
turbid needle
that additional seeking projectile one is op in a shield toss build with ares or dionysus boons
i got the Daedalus hammer one where the shield tosses up to 6 enemies, and idk why but it started spawning more arrows for each enemy hit instead of how many times i used the special
i cant tell if its intended or a bug, but it was super fun and powerful lol
hollow notch
Hmmm, might be a bug
pastel jolt
@rapid kestrel that's.... that already is a thing??
pastel jolt
if you weren't aware of that, clearly you've never angered athena
she makes those suckers invincible when they spawn in and it's the most annoying thing ever, lmao
rapid kestrel
yeeeesh
pastel jolt
most enemies get a dash in god trials; aphrodite's enemies weaken you if they hit you, dionysus makes enemies apply blight wine to you
green musk
I generally avoid the trails that do extra damage lol
atomic swallow
got all the way to the bone hydra with THIS setup
https://gyazo.com/955e93db4628afbad88ecff91ff34916
i feel like i deserve a medal for this
at this point i feel like my attack isn't even worth doing, dash is just better
wish i had known the seeker shots really suck
grand patrol
damnnnn thats one nasty, nasty dash u got goin there NICE
atomic swallow
the dash is about the only good part of this lmao
icy edge
I had a few nasty glitches with shield and gorgon projectiles - zag freezes without being discolored and without breaking out upon clicking...
Is this a common thing or should i look into it more carefully?
lost rose
Haven't heard about it before, report it please!
radiant grove
it happened to me too a couple of times
hasty mauve
Almost got to the end on 121 heat 500 % damage taken run 😄
pastel jolt
i kinda want to try some more 60 heatruns but at the same time i would also just like to play 0 heat for once
i'm a weenie and using heat is scary
hasty mauve
60 heat is still fine and dandy
hasty mauve
You can get alot of heat with more enemy damage and the uhhh
pastel jolt
;P
hard holly
Im not a big fan of death insurance, but thats a fairly common one
pastel jolt
you can have the mirror from my cold dead hands
hard holly
I prefer 500% and 0 healing tho
And even then good luck, because I will have glued it to my cold dead hands
hasty mauve
I got 60 with -80 healing and the no money thingy und uhh tenebrous veil and stuff
🤔
Im fairly used to only using 500 darkness on mirror
It gives me the 3 dashes which are the most important things. And one cast, 2 death defies
pastel jolt
i like having boons that don't suck
pastel jolt
oh no
hasty mauve
I've tried many combinations of heat
pastel jolt
i have a chaos boon that's -1 hp every time i attack and i'm facing the bomber room
guess i'll dash
pastel jolt
SHOWTIME LADS
pastel jolt
oh my god it actually worked
hasty mauve
Them did the thing they did
hard holly
They did it, actually
hasty mauve
O heck yeah boye
violet stirrup
but then I died immediately after
hasty mauve
How much darkness did ya get ?
violet stirrup
Its really small tho
Im going to try another run
with 180 heat
You dont know how lucky I got with gun + zeus boon on that run
subtle shale
I’m actually curious how heat will change over time
subtle shale
500% more damage is like... nuts compared to other SG games
hasty mauve
True
subtle shale
I think damage was only ever doubled in Bastion and Transistor using idols and limiters
hasty mauve
Then again Hades is vastly different
subtle shale
Yeah being a rogue lite lets them go a little more crazy than a more traditional RPG
Plus it’s not like other games haven’t had like, just totally awful attributes too
Like the Bastion one where enemies randomly reflect attacks
subtle shale
Tbh I feel like the Transistor limiters were the most well balanced difficulty modifiers overall
hasty mauve
I feel like some heat reward give too much and some too little heat
1 heat per level on the enemies getting more hp thing
pastel jolt
welp, that run was a failure
subtle shale
I haven’t even beaten the hydra yet so I have t gotten to experience it first hand
violet stirrup
too many resources tbh
Once you get max darkness, nothing to use for
Same with max keys
pastel jolt
fated authority
violet stirrup
Oh right
hasty mauve
ALOT of darkness to get on it
pastel jolt
that's where your darkness sink is at the moment
pastel jolt
it takes 165k darkness to max it
hasty mauve
Then again that one is useless on high heat runs 😄
hasty mauve
The devs are memers
violet stirrup
time to dig into the game files :)
hack legitametly unlock some darkness
actually, on that topic, does anyone know if thats possible
subtle shale
You know we could fix the supposed uselessness of currencies at the end game by introducing a pact that takes away some of your darkness when you die 🤔
violet stirrup
well
Or permanently upgradable weapons
The more you use a weapon, it gets upgraded
but to activate the upgrade you use keys
subtle shale
Plus once they’re upgraded we hit the same problem
forest marsh
It's possible to increase the rate at which you accrue darkness by modifying the game files, yes
subtle shale
I’m thinking of a way to make currency permanently useful even after you get everything
violet stirrup
So we have:
Darkness, Heat, Keys, Ambrosia
Correct?
And Obols but that isnt permanent
violet stirrup
.
subtle shale
Yeah that’s always useful to find since you don’t keep it
violet stirrup
Everytime you swap a reward with fated authority it requires some darkness
And more darkness the more you swap
forest marsh
@violet stirrup Not the same as just straight up increasing your Darkness by modifying your save file, but there's this: https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/530001364903002112
violet stirrup
And for keys, you use it for infernal troves + additional chests that require keys
And Amborisa
Is like Stardew Valley
subtle shale
Yeah imho keys are still useful because even if you get a lot of them there’s stuff to spend them on during runs
violet stirrup
but maxed out relationship with gods maybe they get less angry at you
so they spawn less enemies
pastel jolt
hmmmm. y'all, flurry fire or cooling chamber (+2 ammo on dash) if the only boon i have atm is artemis attack?
violet stirrup
if you dont choose their boon
in the boon trial
But then after, their relationship drops by one
subtle shale
Ambrosia to me feels like it’s just trading fodder once you get max Husbando/Waifu Simulator points
forest marsh
If you dash a lot, I'd go Cooling Chamber
pastel jolt
i feel like i wanna take flurry fire for more shots faster and therefore more chances at crit, but i do tend to spend a lot of time dashing
subtle shale
That’s a neat idea Blaze
forest marsh
The downside to Flurry Fire is the decreased accuracy
pastel jolt
i took my heat off so i could do an exagryph run without wanting to die lmao
subtle shale
I was always confused why the gods forgave you so quick during those
violet stirrup
And it will lessen by one everytime you DONT choose their boon
hard holly
I think Flurry Fire is better
violet stirrup
but they'll spawn less enemies
hard holly
Ive found Cooling Chamber to be fairly weak in its current state
hard holly
2 shots per dodge isnt a lot of damage
And you probably reload just as much with flurry fire while doing more damage
subtle shale
Yeah and then when their icon comes back up you can gift them ambrosia immediately to get the heart back if you’ve got ambrosia to spare
violet stirrup
yeah
subtle shale
And if people don’t like being so severely punished during the god trials it can be a pact
turbid needle
why would they spawn less enemies though
hasty mauve
Because your relationship is good
violet stirrup
something like that
hasty mauve
Or if you choose them you get extra rewards
hasty mauve
Then again I have everyone maxed , and that would just lead to losing one heart and gifting an ambrosia after
🤔
subtle shale
If we wanna go like really mean
If you have a God’s boon and displease then they take it away
violet stirrup
changed it a bit
subtle shale
Might make you think twice about making them mad if you got a legendary one from them earlier
violet stirrup
well
grand patrol
omg. that would be WILD i like that one
violet stirrup
we all know we're gonna fight these gods as a boss fight sooner or later
and hades himself will give you HIS boons
hasty mauve
There are 3 gods I do not want to make angery
grand patrol
you made me mad, no legendary special for you
violet stirrup
Artemis waifu
hasty mauve
Poseidon Dio and Artemis
violet stirrup
Aphrodite is just a th0t
grand patrol
we....dont all know that,
violet stirrup
Wait seriously tho
How cool would it be
To fight these gods
As boss battles
Once you reach Olympus
turbid needle
lol taking away boons would be funny
hasty mauve
But the it's just god of war
subtle shale
And maybe you can get it back by gifting them?
grand patrol
like it would be cool but its def not set in stone
violet stirrup
Well
grand patrol
you have to reroll the boon
violet stirrup
Still would be cool right
subtle shale
Yeah having to reroll would be best I think since it’s an actual punishment then
violet stirrup
You were lured out of your underworld where hades protects you
hard holly
I mean if there are gods you dont want to make mad
violet stirrup
And they kill Persephone
hard holly
Aphrodite is easy number 1 on the list
subtle shale
See I was gonna say it would make sense of the gods were mind controlled or something but then that’s also literally God of War
hard holly
She may not be as powerful as Zeus
violet stirrup
wait
hard holly
But good lord she will stop at nothing to make your life hell
violet stirrup
gods were mindcontrolled in god of war???
hasty mauve
Perhaps
violet stirrup
wtf
hard holly
Aphrodite is vengeful and downright evil
hard holly
Eh, nah
violet stirrup
Kinda
hard holly
Nah she really isnt
hasty mauve
Not quite
hard holly
She is just very self-absorbed
violet stirrup
hm yeah
hard holly
Anyway, she is even more terrifying than Ares
violet stirrup
lmao
subtle shale
Her and Dio probably get along well
hard holly
I highly doubt it
violet stirrup
Wait
grand patrol
i think itd be great if zag was like "phew im done with fighting now that im on olympus" and ares was like ARE YOU?????
hard holly
Dio is too laid back and easy-going
hasty mauve
Probably Blaze
violet stirrup
If not, Meg should be playable
hard holly
Doubt it
violet stirrup
If shes going to be a big character
violet stirrup
hm
hasty mauve
There are 3 Furies after all
violet stirrup
so she gets exiled
hard holly
The final boss on Olympus is just you trying to solve family Drama between the gods
While dodging whatever gets thrown around
hasty mauve
The last battle is a rhythm game
subtle shale
It’s worth noting that the game has “Fury Defeated” as if there are more furies to fight
violet stirrup
Yea
grand patrol
if u like.....reach a certain number of meg kills and you get to her room and its somebody else ITLL BE SO COOL
violet stirrup
Same with "Hydra Defeated" tho
hard holly
And you faintly hear Hades in the background yelling "Hah, told you sooooooooooo"
grand patrol
"expecting meg, werent you"
hard holly
So Meg gets replaced by Dio?
subtle shale
So I don’t buy for a second that there are “only” two more boss fights planned
violet stirrup
Tisiphone should have two wings and teleportseverywhere and goes invisible and turns the screen dark
hard holly
"You thought it was Meg, but it was me, Dionysus"
grand patrol
AAAAAAAA
hasty mauve
Lmao
grand patrol
final boss fight idea: cerberus
violet stirrup
yes
violet stirrup
should be thanatos tho
subtle shale
HE JS A GOOD BOY
hasty mauve
Let doggo be.
violet stirrup
Gatekeeper Thanatos
subtle shale
Achilles I don’t feel so good
hasty mauve
I just realized Thanos lived in Titan
grand patrol
(snaps)
hard holly
Thanatos is the boss of Elysium, like 100%
hard holly
Were already getting hints to him now
hasty mauve
Im dumdum
hard holly
And he would make sense as the keeper between Elysium and the overworld
Unless the realm after Elysium is the isles of the blessed
subtle shale
Imho we’re gonna get a curveball plot-wise like every single other SG game
Bastion had a twist, Transistor had a twist, Pyre had a twist
hasty mauve
I hope the game doesn't go full cliche and the last boss is just Persephone
Would be dum
subtle shale
I don’t know if spoilers for old SG games are allowed here so I’m not saying anything specific lol
violet stirrup
Incarnate of Death
subtle shale
And yeah I hope it’s not Persephone as well
hasty mauve
If we're going by 2019 memes
violet stirrup
If shes final boss
analog sail
I think it will be Hades himself
hasty mauve
The last boss is Shaggy
violet stirrup
lmao
hasty mauve
Hades the game is Shrek 5
violet stirrup
Shrek = Death?
hasty mauve
Confirmed
subtle shale
Obviously hades is both shrek and shaggy at the same time
subtle shale
The perfect being
subtle shale
Like, what are you doing in my underworld, man?
analog sail
The exit of the underworld is in his swamp
hasty mauve
The next weapon is gonna be an Onion Launcher
hard holly
Because people like to beat dead jokes into the ground
grand patrol
gunion
hard holly
Now, to be serious, my guess for the last boss is, uh
hasty mauve
A good enough joke can never die
hard holly
Actually good question
analog sail
You mean into the underworld
hasty mauve
Hmm 🤔
analog sail
I still stick with Hades
hasty mauve
I don't think it's Hades
That would be too ez
It could be a Titan
That would be pretty classic.
What if its Skelly 🤔
The ultimate troll
analog sail
Titan is kinda busy holding up the sky
hasty mauve
Wha
There are many titans
And the dude holding earth or sky or whatever he was . Was a human right ?
subtle shale
My honest opinion?
hasty mauve
Or a demigod
analog sail
Man did I just mistake "titan" for Atlas
analog sail
Nah he was a titan, but he took a small break to let Erakles do it for a bit
subtle shale
Hades really is the final boss, but then the game ends with escaping the Underworld allowing the Titans to escape to the surface and resume their war
Then we get mini-expansions featuring new biomes and the Titans as new bosses for another year after launch
hasty mauve
Kratos running at the titans in the distance.
hard holly
I dont know about that
SGG usually puts out a complete game and then mostly does fixes, no?
hasty mauve
Are the Titans locked in the underworld 🤔
I know one of them is in chains somewhere
And some died right
subtle shale
@hasty mauve I like the idea of fighting the Fates, especially considering thematically how everybody seems pretty mad about their assigned duties
analog sail
The deepesr depths of Tartarus yes
analog sail
Well one is where Hades sleeps
subtle shale
And yeah SG usually releases a full game and doesn’t do a whole lot more, but this is also a rogue lite and thus far more mailable than a game win a cut and dry campaign
analog sail
I dunno about the other tho
subtle shale
What if getting deeper into Tartarus is like a special end game dungeon
100 floors or something only after you’ve cleared the main game
hasty mauve
Hades just yelling in the background
FINALLY! You're going in the right direction
Down is the correct way zaggy boy
subtle shale
Either that or the final biome is a bait and switch and we have to double back to Tartarus anyway
hasty mauve
Ah I remember clearing the game for the first time
I was so hyped for the next level
But Papa Foooooled mee
subtle shale
Like in both Bastion and Transistor we had to backtrack around the mid-point didn’t we?
Maybe some funk goes bad in Tartarus and Zag has to decide between finally escaping and going back to help
subtle shale
Meets Persephone for a minute or something
subtle shale
Google is spying on you 🤔
hasty mauve
I knew it
violet stirrup
wait
what if
Cronus
Is revived
And you need to team up with the gods
To defeat him
Cronus is the father titan of the olympians + hades
And he's the final boss you fight before you go to Olympus
subtle shale
That or they pull an Attack on Titan and it turns out Cronus is the final gate and it’s escaping that frees him
Like he got ironically punished by being forced to see Olympus but be constantly out of its reach
Is it just me or is the Stygian blade’s default combo really hard to use at times? Feels like especially against armored stuff unless you grabbed the armor boon it falls way short
still pewter
it is. it's sort of a high risk high reward thing
although how substantial the reward is, is debateable
it's really risky to pull off vs armor and vs lots of enemies
subtle shale
imho I think the sword could use a charge attack that maybe goes into it's thrust attack early
hasty mauve
World Splitter is great THRUST
subtle shale
wait does World Splitter count as thrust damage?
forest marsh
I think you are ready to test out your blender on the Hydra 😆
atomic panther
42?
shy smelt
+13%
atomic panther
Jesus
shy smelt
i think it was doing 47 per tick
atomic panther
Good lordy
shy smelt
plus, even if i somehow missed my auto-homing blenders, i had 300 health and full death defiance
it was a gross fight, rip hydra
atomic panther
I've only gotten the homing rifts once, and I rely on boiling blood too much to try it again
But in that run I also had 7 casts (2 from Athena, 1 from shop, 1 from Chaos)
So the boss wasn't very hard
pastel jolt
i swear, ares, someday i will do a rift focused run
atomic panther
Gotta get that Chonk
shy smelt
what is ares legendary?
hasty mauve
Your bladerift powers SUCC enemies in
shy smelt
OOF
hasty mauve
Yeee
shy smelt
sucks that that doesnt really help with bosses though
i had a full poseidon run and the regular rooms were super easy, but none of the hydra heads took any knock back so it was just a pure damage fight
subtle shale
You know come to think of it the game really should make it more clear when a cast boon will override it sticking in enemies
subtle shale
Until I figured out which ones were full replacers I was stuck with basically dead points put into boiling blood
shy smelt
i should start using boiling blood
its not really my playstyle, but considering the damage buff, seems like it might be worth making a change
subtle shale
It’s amazing for single big targets
No matter what I end up doing with the mirror I always make some room for it honestly
It’s a huge help if the game doesn’t give you many good damage boons early on
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/547149204682833951/unknown.png
Wish me luck
subtle shale
good luck padawan
atomic panther
The screenshot didn't save, but I beat the hydra. I only found one god in Tartarus, and only found Ares in Asphodel through a trial. I'm gonna try that again
grand patrol
hey uhhh does anyone know how to get the new orpheus convo / song? i have him and dion maxed out but nothin ;0;
forest marsh
You have to have a convo with Dio where he asks Zag to play a prank on Orpheus
Then you talk to Orpheus, and within a few runs you get the song
grand patrol
ahhhh....its a random convo, then, i guess! Id thohght it was ambrosia based
forest marsh
I think you do have to have them maxed for it, but it's still triggered by a convo
So I guess just keep talking to Dio whenever possible
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/547159112417411083/unknown.png
Still no legendary >:( Wish me luck
forest marsh
Good luck!
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/547160211220332544/unknown.png
First time getting a streak greater than 1!
Maybe I'm onto something with this blade rift deal
tawny ivy
peak stirrup
And with a chance for each of those damage instances to tick...that's huge.
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/547169096408498201/unknown.png
Is 7 Festive Fogs enough? Let's find out
icy edge
That build is amazing
My first good times run looked sorta like that
Only problem is that you cant see anything cuz the party is too intense
atomic panther
And yeah I got hit a few times because I couldn't see that it was starting up an attack
pastel jolt
who needs vision when you're PARTYING
atomic panther
YEAH
I know it's Super Nova, but your pfp still makes me think of the Eye of Sauron every time
I call this combo Bomber Crew
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/547171968542310408/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/547172608110493717/unknown.png
That's the stuff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/547175590143197194/unknown.png
Slowest, but safest Meg fight I've ever had. Only took 15 damage (entered at 123) but it took me around 5 minutes
pastel jolt
i'm going to blend the hydra into a fine mist and finally get a clear with an actual goddamn timer on the shield
god damn
rifts are nasty when they tick for 53 damage
stable oyster
meg hit me for 78 and it did not feel good
turbid needle
ooff
subtle shale
I hope rather than nerfing Ares they buff some of the other gods to be comparable to his damage. Like obviously he should deal a lot of damage since he's the God of War and all but Zeus feels like a wet blanket in comparison
stable oyster
zeus is going through some rough times after the nerfs
forest marsh
Zeus has been grounded
subtle shale
oof
subtle shale
So in the feedback I saw gorgons and crushers mentioned and I was wondering...what if crushers both dealt damage to enemies, and counted as crushing damage?
atomic panther
#let shackle be useful
subtle shale
Might make the crush damage keepsake more appealing and also speed up fights with crushers in them
Seriously I love the shackle conceptually
radiant plume
i feel like if they just cut the damage range to ~1 dash they would be a lot less toxic
gorgons are a different issue entirely though
forest marsh
It's entirely possible to evade damage from the Skullcrushers with a single dash. Try dashing either up or down, and just be careful of your timing
radiant plume
ah. i was under the impression that the range was greater than that of a dash. ill have to try that then
forest marsh
You'll get hit with a single dash if you try dashing to the sides
Dino made an infographic about this after doing some Science™
lost rose
we think the isometric view has something to do with the difference in range
forest marsh
Yeah, it seems to affect other aspects of the game as well
radiant plume
huh. thats way counterintuitive but alright
lost rose
like attack distance
i'm not entirely sure it's like an intentional thing, don't think sgg looked at the skullcrushers and were like "yes, from this angle you can get away but not from these angles!" just a weird side effect of the terrain layout
radiant plume
yeah a weird side effect seems more likely
pastel jolt
that tends to happen with isometric views in general
atomic panther
Did the shield get a hammer upgrade vs armor? Or is it the only weapon without one
pastel jolt
ok so a terrible diagram and also the thing i chose isn't quite square but it gets the point across
lost rose
#gamescience
atomic panther
(Damn) But does his dash cover equal distance on the screen each way or is that also relative to the angled viewpoint
pastel jolt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lost rose
i assume it covers the same distance no matter which way you go, which is why you generally get more distance out of stuff by moving up or down?
atomic panther
Wack
lost rose
grand patrol
JXNCNCNCMCNCNF
forest marsh
I feel the same when I get repeatedly locked down by Gorgon shots
subtle shale
Same, Gorgon attacks are nuts. Ironically I find they’re easier to dodge without dashing
Just walk towards them and it makes them curve and miss you and generally they can’t curve quite enough to make it to you again
pastel jolt
i've started trying to get them to hit pillars and stuff
it's annoying that i can't just smack the giant rock out of the air though
atomic panther
My least favorite thing about them is that when reflected they still try to target you instead of the gorgon who shot them
subtle shale
Reflect also wrecks them but that requires really specific boons
atomic panther
It can but you need to actually hit
plush blaze
I have successfully made an auto splitter for hades! 
forest marsh
Auto splitter? 
plush blaze
Well it doesn't actually split at this point, but it syncs livesplit perfectly to the in game timer ❤
forest marsh
Oh, I see
worn owl
also if you bull rush them you'll block the damage but still end up petrified
atomic panther
Normal block stops petrification since the latest patch, if Bull Rush doesn't work I'd report it as a bug
turbid needle
https://imgur.com/a/ngvnv5W
I reallly liked this build
turbid needle
That sounds about right
severe jewel
vicious skewer is incredibly broken wow
especially when stacked w athena's special dmg up
atomic panther
Another big melee weapon, like a Hammer or something (sam hat). A lot of people also want a scythe
shy smelt
ooh scythe
hybrid between sword and spear?
though to be fair we have three melee and two range
so it might make sense to get one more range in
maybe like a staff of hecate, do magic orbs like the witches, long range and heavy hitting with lots of room for changing stuff
forest marsh
First attempt at 60 
vs 
, wish me luck
upbeat junco
good luck
forest marsh
shy smelt
what weapon
forest marsh
I just got my Hammer in the room before this
upbeat junco
thats bow
forest marsh
It was not fun getting all the way here with no Hammer upgrade 😆
forest marsh
radiant plume
flurry jab is highly silly
i cant take this run seriously with the this repeated staccato of grunts
shy smelt
that is why i always go world splitter
one heavy grunt 😉
zag can split my world, know what i'm sayin'
atomic panther
I do, and I concur, but also watch it with the innuendo
shy smelt
o7
forest marsh
Died in last summon phase
shy smelt
OOF
aphrodite is a cruel mistress
hey somebody pick a weapon-god combo for me to do my last run of the night on
forest marsh
You asked, didn't say it had to be a good combo 😉
shy smelt
beetle save me
atomic panther
Rail + Dionysus but only for the special
Rail special + Dio cast and be Bomberman
shy smelt
lmao that was the last run i did
atomic panther
Nice!
shy smelt
i think my cast tdid 250 damage by the end
and i had 4, so i just kinda
cleared a head by spamming q
okay wight, you win, time to pay my dues to the lady in pink
atomic panther
I've gotten up to 7, could've had more but I was upgrading the damage instead of the number
shy smelt
that's a good call
atomic panther
Sufice it to say there is such a thing as too many Festive Fogs
turbid needle
Ive been sleeping on festive fog. I should try it out more sometime
safe trellis
Finally got my first Spear clear by accidentally stumbling into a truly obscene build. Dash and Attack both used defensively, Special turned into a knockback monster that launches enemies against walls and then drags them back towards you (didn't know knockback could do that) while dealing guaranteed critical backstabbing damage for 400+ hits. Each smaller Hydra head went down in five hits.
plush blaze
Congrats kenji!
radiant plume
Tenebrous veil certainly creates some interesting runs
poison absolutely carried me
atomic panther
Bow special with blight seems very strong
radiant plume
very good for aoe, hydra fight was a tad stressful though
atomic panther
Dash up to an enemy and stack it up to 5 in one attack
radiant plume
ye
pastel jolt
hhhhhhhHAHAHAHA i just got support fire (artemis legendary) in the room right before meg
40-second meg fight
atomic panther
Wow
atomic panther
1
All other specials only make one even if they hit multiple enemies, I see no reason for the bow to be different
hard holly
Well I didnt know about other specials eithjer
Its why I asked
Thats ... kind of a shame
atomic panther
Similar to how you only make one bolt on attack with zeus, no matter how many enemies it hits
pastel jolt
new best time for bow clear
it's very very fun when you deal almost 600 damage with a crit
hard holly
Nice
atomic panther
10 minutes 😲
hard holly
11, actually
10 is on rail
Im guessing Split Bolt?
Anyway, whats the current hunters dash like?
atomic panther
I know, I'm just surprised there was a 10 minute run at all
Hunter's Dash is still very strong
pastel jolt
huh. why do i not have a screencap of that run :c
atomic panther
50-100 sounds about right, yeah
It used to be 100-200 but that was too strong even if it was actually 100-100
hard holly
Man, Lua looks like it makes the game real easy to mod
pastel jolt
yes, hunter dash is +50/75/100
hard holly
Yup, knew it
Zeus gets +2 from pom upgrades
Honestly having just tried an epic zeus boon with a pom upgrade on rail
It actually feels super-weak
hard holly
I mean its 23 damage per shot
Which isnt bad
But for an epic, not even being able to strip the armour off of numbskulls in one shot doesnt feel great
hard holly
Still, with how moddable the game is
I wonder if I can make the transistor-esque system I wanted to make in it
hard holly
Also is Transistor as moddable?
hard holly
To give it a roguelike gamemode
hasty mauve
All in all I don't really like modding. Except in some rpgs , or modding to get more content. Like Daughters of Ash I guess
Well there you go. You said it. More content 😄
hard holly
I like modding, but the reason Im a bit iffy on it
Is that it feels disrespectful to the creators vision at times
Well that and the fact that I dont understand the source code most of the time
hasty mauve
😄
grand patrol
@fast wharf ooo itd be cool if you beat hydra w a weapon, its autolocked for your next run, and u can pact of punishmemt up the number of upcoming runs its locked for
pastel jolt
see, i don't like that idea because, like........ why would i want to be locked out of a weapon if i enjoy using it
fast wharf
I wish more people felt the same way.
hard holly
Honestly I dont even think having broken builds is a bad thing
fast wharf
Because no weapon combiation should be a crutch.
atomic panther
I see no reason to enforce the limitation on people who enjoy how they play. If you don't want to use the same weapon twice in a row, don't
grand patrol
EVEN THO i rely on sword only i enjoy the push to mix up ur style in trna/pyre
pastel jolt
i use the bow a lot because i like using the bow
atomic panther
^^^^
grand patrol
so id like a gentle push here- not "locked till ur next hydra kill", but "cmon, try just one!"
thats just my onion tho i get if its unpopular uou
atomic panther
That's what the dark thirst is for
fast wharf
It could be for some people, particuarly since we can almost garantee an Attack/Special/Dash from a specific God.
radiant plume
eh. at the end of the day games are meant to be fun and being locked out of your favorite playstyle is explicitly not fun
atomic panther
I've never won a single run with the sword. I've won 6 with the spear. I still use the sword more because I enjoy the playstyle, and I love all the wacky upgrades it gets
radiant plume
banishment sickness is built in to the fabric of how pyre works though - it literally reduces your team size by one. and its only for like 2 minutes, not an entire run
hasty mauve
I have most clears with Shield
fast wharf
I a mediocre player with 200 runs and 125 clears... It can be beaten with anything - Heatless.
pastel jolt
"mediocre player"
60% winrate
fast wharf
Me too., I can't even get to Meg' with 120 Heat on thou', so there's that.
hasty mauve
Oh
grand patrol
when i say run i mean "until ur next death" not until ur next hydra kill
BUT BUT BUT. Obviously its most likely not gonna get to game bc its widely regarded as a bad idea- im just seeing something ive wanted from the beginning and going aw i wish!
pastel jolt
also locking a weapon out does nothing to fix overpowered boons?
hard holly
Yeah anything that forces the player to play somethign they enjoy less is not fun
pastel jolt
i don't see the correlation there
hasty mauve
Losing a run for taking was it... 78 damage from a dancing bomb boy is pretty cool.
fast wharf
I've done 10~ heated runs... one at 15, one at 60, and about and the rest at 120.