i lost to meg thats how well im using it 
#h1-builds-and-combat
frigid robin
grim loom
wow im actually beating the ||hydra|| consistently now
atomic panther
Nice!
frigid robin
nice nice!
turbid needle
I actually beat myself 61 heat Hydra with Infinity Chamber + Zeus Attack Boon Gun
it's pretty awesome not needing to reload, + holding fire doesn't make stray bullets happen
worn owl
haha with the fast bull rush and athena attack beating meg with no mirror upgrades is a joke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1Eta5BTXXw
snow cradle
why would you kys once you got to asphodel?
worn owl
I'm not doing the rest of the run with only one dash haha
broken kite
XDD
calm sable
tulip timber
How do you do bug reports?
atomic panther
F10
tulip timber
Thanks. Poseidon attack on the Railgun with shotgun blast got one of the blue crystal dudes stuck in a wall somewhere in Asphodel.
Gonna have to just swim in the lava and die I think.
atomic panther
RIP
tulip timber
Up till then, the shotgun hammer upgrade + poseidon means you get knockbacks = however many pellets connect.
So a full blast will knockback something 10 times. And do slam damage for every time it hits the wall.
atomic panther
Mhmm. The knockback on the gun is already completely ridiculous
tulip timber
Yeah. Everything just YEETs into the wall and explodes.
Except Asphodel has some problematic scenery.
atomic panther
Yeah, apparently
valid burrow
atomic panther
👀
valid burrow
Yet with this build I couldn't beat the Hydra lol
I need to practice with the bow a lot more
paper bay
Just beat the hydra for the 1st time because I got Flurry Jab and Support Fire, there were millions of Artemis' casts flying around the map
atomic panther
:D
night compass
rail with poseidon attack is... silly
if you can knock an enemy into a wall you can keep them pinned there forever
atomic panther
That's true of spear too, but I do agree that the rail is silly
pearl willow
oh man first run with the gun and triple bomb is awesome
atomic panther
It's so much fun!
jade estuary
what are some great dionysus builds?
atomic panther
My personal favorite is to take Exagryph and Dio cast and become the mortar I always wanted to be
forest marsh
Piercing Barrage and Dio on special
atomic panther
🐀 ☣ 🏹
forest marsh
I think I can parse the second two emoji, but where does the rat come in?
atomic panther
Twitch, from League of Legends. His ultimate allows his attacks, which stack poison, to pierce through targets
forest marsh
Oh, gotcha
atomic panther
He is a literal rat who wields a crossbow
forest marsh
I have no LoL context, so thank you for elaborating 
graceful lark
Hey dudes
flint totem
Extra style points if you get peer pressure
graceful lark
So... essentially I should always pick a double boon room over any other room right?
flint totem
Yes
forest marsh
Yes, assuming that you want the relevant gods' boons
flint totem
If you think you can handle it
graceful lark
Like it seems way more helpful tog et two boons than to get anything else, maybe if I wanted to get more ambrosia to lvl up a skill or something
forest marsh
Honestly, the Trials aren't much harder than regular rooms
graceful lark
Yeah they are not
Extra blade rifts or whatever... waterwave dashing enemies, doesn't really seem to change much
limber copper
Trials just make me feel bad
forest marsh
More boons aren't always better, especially if you're trying to upgrade a specific boon, since it dilutes the upgrade pool
limber copper
Athena is by far the most annoying
forest marsh
Yeah, I almost always pick Athena in the Trial if she's presented just to avoid the impervious enemies
flint totem
I am not the biggest fan of poseidon's
limber copper
Poseidons doesn't do damage, it could push you into lava, but it doesn't really stop you from kiting.
forest marsh
The knockback with Poseidon is amusing, I find, since it doesn't damage you
flint totem
Especially in the smaller maps
forest marsh
Watching Brimstones glide across the map while firing their beam is hilarious
atomic panther
It's especially aggravating when the enemies move faster, and thus farther
flint totem
It doesn't but it does get annoying to try to not get pushed into an attack
limber copper
Athena > Ares > Dionysus > everybody else I think
Ares blades sometimes spawn on you lol
flint totem
Ares I dont really mind as much but bow player
I am usually further than most from enemies
atomic panther
Ares I don't find as frustrating bc I always have Athena buffs so I just knock the blade rifts back
limber copper
Does anyone know what Hydras base damage is
atomic panther
For which attack?
limber copper
Purple things
atomic panther
^^
limber copper
Is lunge still 12?
forest marsh
As far as I know, but I honestly can't say I pay close enough attention to it to recall off the top of my head
limber copper
I know the small heads reduced from 10 to 8
grim loom
adjustment to my earlier statement: i can consistently beat hydra.. when i get splitting bolt
graceful lark
Anyone know what "perfect landing" does when you start a game?
atomic panther
It's just a fun little flavor bonus. It has no mechanical effect on the game
forest marsh
It actually can alter the RNG on your run vs not doing it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it makes it better
atomic panther
It can?
forest marsh
I've watched Dino play around with it while doing speed runs
He uses it to help manipulate his seed
Again though - different, but not necessarily better
compact venture
does rail hava a dash attack?
atomic panther
Your next two attacks are quicker, with no accuracy penalty
compact venture
Is there an accuracy penalty when you hold it down normally?
atomic panther
No, but you can rapidly click to fire faster, and the longer you do so the less accurate you get
The infinite ammo upgrade removes that functionality, while the Flurry Shot mandates it
compact venture
Okay so if I do hold down fire I get less accurate?
atomic panther
No, if you rapidly click you get less accurate. Holding down fires at a steady (slow) pace and doesn't accrue accuracy penaltyies
The important interaction with the dash attack, I should mention, is with the shotgun modification, where you only have two attacks anyway
harsh ridge
Just got a taste of Exagryph with chain lightning on attack. It's nuts.
upbeat junco
Hey guys do you know if there is a method which guarantees the same god to show up multiple times or is it purely RNG?
harsh ridge
RNG afaik
I don't think we can guarantee the same gods to show up in multiple runs unless we can specify a seed number to be used to generate a ' fixed' run
upbeat junco
Yea, i was thinking that maybe picking less gods would limit which gods show up in the future
where double god rooms i get the 2 gods I've already chosen I can guarantee I get those two but unless I have 2 gods those rooms don't appear
I was just wondering about whether we could improve chances of getting a specific god in single god rooms
flint totem
Only way I do it is hope that the thing I start run with is a boon and use the room reroll on mini boss room for whatever god I want if that is double downing on a god or combo I want
upbeat junco
yea but even then you might not get the god you want, and idk why but I seem to be getting a lot of bad RNG recently
flint totem
Well you always can choose one at least
hollow notch
How do you do the perfect landing again?
turbid needle
spam the attack ?
lost rose
Spam dash
hollow notch
spam dash, ok
pastel jolt
if perfect landing affects rng, i don’t think it affects the first room at least bc from what i’ve experimented with, i get the same boon if i perfect land vs. not perfect landing
hollow notch
I just wanted to see what happens, really 😄
Though in the last few runs, the rng has been giving quite a lot of the gods that I already have
Or maybe they just upped the chance of that drunk one(can't get the spelling right :D)
latent badger
How do you take a screenshot?
plush blaze
@pastel jolt It will sometimes give the same boon and sometimes a different reward. Also influenced by keepsakes
Like if you have zeus keepsake you'll more often get both perfect/non perfect first rewards as zeus
pastel jolt
also i realised earlier that i accidentally sank my six-win streak because i forgot and purposely died to reset a run and i'm mad at myself for it
hollow notch
Hahaha, 6 is my best so far as well
pastel jolt
my best prior to that was 4
hasty mauve
10 or 11 🤔
I wonder if theres like dialogue
If you get high enough a streak , or lose a streak 😄
pastel jolt
i'm pretty sure meg's dialogue changes if you win or lose a few times in a row
hasty mauve
o
pastel jolt
but i don't think there's any other streak-related dialogue
plush blaze
I've actually been dying in runs now that whipped frenzy makes things go faster
The summoning circles and boss cycles are all faster, so there's less boss invuln time
And things spawn faster meaning you can kill them faster
hasty mauve
I've been dying with 120 heat lately
hasty mauve
She wants ye
pastel jolt
💪
only shaved a few seconds off my best time
could have been faster if i hadn't gone murderboat
hasty mauve
So many bow clears
plush blaze
But at least I have a new PB for this patch
plush blaze
Triple shot bow was (mostly) the speedrun meta last patch
hasty mauve
8 mins 19 seconds is pretty neato though
plush blaze
Shame triple shot got nerfed a bit
plush blaze
I think I got to hydra around 6 minutes in but the hydra fight was kind of slow
And I spent time to take both the health pots since I didn't want to die
hasty mauve
Ah
hasty mauve
😄
plush blaze
Got caught on some weird geometry
pastel jolt
this was such a good run but i'm SO ANGRY it kept giving me gods that weren't zeus
.........discord no it's not an explicit image
hasty mauve
Stop picking Zeus
pastel jolt
hasty mauve
pastel jolt
stop picking zeus why
hasty mauve
Dumdum op god
pastel jolt
do you hate fun
pastel jolt
yeah and it was fun
hasty mauve
Good good
I just think Zeus aa runs are too op on spear , rail and flurry blade
bow is kinda meh
hollow notch
come on, now, 8 minutes...
frosty pier
God that last screenshot made me feel slooooow
Like come on put a Cerberus on the backseat of that racing car
hollow notch
Note to self - DO NOT anger Artemis in a Trial of Gods room...
frosty pier
Yeah Artemis is kinda angry there
I bet it's because of typo on a wiki that changed her to be Dio's BROTHER
pastel jolt
that would be because it was very, very late at night when i made dionysus's wiki page, and i copied artemis's infobox for him
lyric folio
Just wanted to share the sickest build I ever had, still almost died tho, 130% enemy damage aint a joke
plush blaze
lyric folio
hard holly
All those little events youve not seen yet tilt me a little, ship
hollow notch
Hydra just got me on a 15 pain run...
hard holly
In Charons and Sisyphus room
There are one-time events you trigger by going up to that little sparkle and clicking on it
Theyre still active for you
plush blaze
Yeah I've seen enough of them
hasty mauve
Get shrekt meg
frosty pier
THE HUNT FOR HUMILIATION KILL IS ON BOYS
pastel jolt
yeah well she's not doing it very well
hasty mauve
Yeah but
frosty pier
Well I could give her a break... but then she dissed me for using mirror, and that is unforgivable.
broken kite
time to put her back into her place :P, tho shield charging guy already did so without mirror... AGAIN THEN!
broken kite
yep, the buff on spear throw only makes it all the more stronk
frosty pier
I was more about animation glitches honestly xD
broken kite
do tell?
wanton raptor
Uploading image hold on
wanton raptor
no i couldnt figure it out hold on
basically it was
rail gun with zeus
and artemis , and zeus , and artemis again and ares ares ares
i got super lucky haha
broken kite
nice
wait, that just got me thinking... does anyone know if artemis legendary procs with every railgun shot?
wanton raptor
i have never ran into a legendary boon
broken kite
have fun c:
I recommend going a full Poseidon build, the knockback is fun
I normally use the shield for it
frosty pier
Legendaries have strict boons you must have to have a chance at getting them
Hit the wiki for info
broken kite
we're really gonna have to work on the wiki...
vestal fjord
I haven't popped in since the new major update - what's the consensus on the rail gun?
worn owl
there isn't one I think
vestal fjord
I feel like with the right boons it could be amazing, but without, it's weaker at its base form.
worn owl
still don't have a clear with it and I am probably not going to touch it for a while in hopes it gets changed somewhat
broken kite
I mean, it's aa is mainly useful for it's attack speed, and it's alt fire is basically high dmg, low rate of fire, basically the opposite
obtuse merlin
the special can be very good in final boss fight though
since they targets are relatively stationary
broken kite
also, since you don't have to stop and reload?
vestal fjord
Yeah, I imagine the triple shot special would be really good for that.
Second run with it, I grabbed the 5 spread shot and just quit I hated it so much. xD
obtuse merlin
really
I had the 2 x 5 shot with Ares boon and it chewed through anything
I basically 3/4 shotted heads in boss fight
vestal fjord
5 spread shot for the special, not the normal attack
obtuse merlin
ah yes I had a difficult time with that too
broken kite
well, mistakes are made
obtuse merlin
can be good for crowds but v difficult to control
latent badger
the mortar spread is great if you bring it to your position so all five drop on the same point
obtuse merlin
ooh interesting
vestal fjord
I noticed that, but it was very difficult to control without getting hit, and often seemed to knock the enemy away before they all hit.
But yeah, if you're good with it, you can basically do 2.5x damage with the special
latent badger
knock away? did you have the poseidon boon ?
frosty pier
Sooo i decided that I hate myself and got Poseidon on my main rail fire
vestal fjord
Maybe? I could have just not payed attention. I'm sick at the moment. xD
latent badger
Ive never noticed any knoback from the mortar
frosty pier
With tommy-gun hammer my run turned into fun game of "push guys into mortar"
broken kite
XDD
vestal fjord
How is it? I imagine it might work well for getting lots of wall damage, but would be hard to use in Asphodel. Hah, interesting.
That's a good way to try and get around the mortar's delay
broken kite
once again, one of the funnest builds for me was shield with full Poseidon, just special or aa, and they get flung into the lava
unless they are skull-crushers, witches, gorgons, brimstones, or voidstones..
latent badger
Yeah screw the flyers!
I just completed my first shield run today. Assault flight with zeus worked out pretty well. Until ares cast took over. I had 3 extra casts so the screen became a metal tornado
obtuse merlin
yeah Ares cast boons can get fun I got up 9+ filling the screen at one point
anyone found killer Dionysus combos?
frosty pier
aaaaaand I got -5 hp on each attack
broken kite
so far the only thing i've found is that special on bow with dionysus and double special arrows is decent
latent badger
I like the cast. It permastuns so you can set up a rail mortar. The dash is pretty good too. I like it more than aphro's.
obtuse merlin
nice
I imagine dio is pretty powerful in high heat runs, trivially chews through heat shields
frosty pier
DIO
proud storm
it's just a gun, uncle https://i.imgur.com/UQaJcFR.jpg
vestal fjord
Is it just me or does Dio's cast mean I don't get the +50% damage on those I hit with the cast?
latent badger
An m16 with an underbarrel grenade launcher
hard holly
That is what it means, yes
plush blaze
kono dio da?
proud storm
oh my god poseidon on rail attack is so funny
latent badger
Yeah it hits an area and leaves a cloud behind. everything hit by the cloud is damaged and also stunned
frosty pier
Lava town kills you sadly
One of those rooms with gorgons and witches all it takes to start having yourself
pastel jolt
exagryph is a gun in a setting that barely understands bombs
frosty pier
Hestia was on something strong then she pulled that badboy
lost rose
i think achilles specifically doesn't understand bombs
proud storm
(achilles voice) bombs! what are they good for
lost rose
he calls chemistry "eldritch" and has a whole section in the pom codex entry like i am not a scientist, lad
latent badger
barely understands bombs? there's bombs everywhere in this game!
lost rose
achilles is canonically not the brightest bulb
proud storm
dumbass rep
obtuse merlin
I see what you did there
hard holly
He is a soldier, not a nutritionist
lost rose
frosty pier
...
lost rose
we love achilles, he's pretty but even in the iliad patroclus was always his better and smarter half.
pastel jolt
achilles is pretty but dumb
lost rose
patroclus was his literal government-assigned "keep this boy out of trouble" friend
atomic panther
We stan a gay idiot
somber epoch
well i mean like
grand patrol
we do
proud storm
this sure is some content right there
grand patrol
achilles is used to fighting w stuff in his hands he doesnt get the idea that the weapon can hurt later
somber epoch
ah, yes, weaponizing a broken heart
atomic panther
He accidentally stabs someone while waving it around and is just like "this isn't a pvp zone tho"
grand patrol
patroclus: you know like how when you throw a spear it hurts the person when its out of your hands
achilles: yeah
patroclus: so like. you put this on the ground. and if your enemy steps on it they die
achilles: i dont get it???
somber epoch
wait hold on i have the video for this
grand patrol
patroclus: okay just. just dont step on this.
somber epoch
this is patroclus trying to explain traps to achilles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu9nhExp5KI
patroclus: make me a trap
achilles continues to make normal weapons
grand patrol
hfvhjfvhjfcjhfhj im losing it
somber epoch
also uh
this is a humorous jab, but SGG when they try to make a new game :^)
But when you start with greatness if you want to continue to replicate greatness I will never complain
grand patrol
same energy
tall gulch
Does the bone hourglass increase the number of boons affected by yarn item?
Haven't experimented much with that trinket yet
obtuse merlin
hmm unsure would be cool
it affects chaos gates though
which is cool hello 4 x chaos boon
tall gulch
Why would the bone hourglass effect chaos boons?
obtuse merlin
if you pick up the get a blood gate item next room
icy edge
It spawns more gates
atomic panther
No the item that spawns them
icy edge
So you get more boons
tall gulch
Oh, that
atomic panther
Yeah you can get like 5
proud storm
oh i think i figured out how infernal gates work
tall gulch
Welp, time to experiment with the bone hourglass then
proud storm
the amount of heat required to enter is twice the number of the chamber you're in
tall gulch
Seems right
proud storm
i had one in chamber 8 that need 16 heat
atomic panther
Oooooh, cool!
obtuse merlin
it would make sense scalingwise
proud storm
got another one in the same run in the megagorgon room (chamber 21) needed 42 heat
pastel jolt
so i have exagryph with zeus attack and splitting bolt
and infinity chamber
everything is dying
somber epoch
ok here's a gameplay tip
tape down the fire button
and go take a nap or smth
but y i k e s zeus is good on gun
tall gulch
But then you can't go to the next room
Also, yeah, lightning gun is pretty strong
Especially if you take the rapid fire+double ammo one
Things just kind of instantly die
tall gulch
Launching people across the room I assume?
somber epoch
y e e t
somber epoch
Za Warudo
pastel jolt
i'm gonna record this hydra fight
tall gulch
I mean if you get everyone drunk enough that's basically the same thing
tall gulch
Looked on the wiki, it's blight wine afflicted enemies take damage in the cast fog
somber epoch
oh goddamn
tall gulch
That's a pretty nice combo, especially against the Hydra
atomic panther
I wanna see Apollo (for more reasons than just his muscles I swear)
somber epoch
doubt
pastel jolt
ahahahahahahaha hydra shredded
somber epoch
i mean like
i've not really had trouble with the hydra proper
its the ads that give me trouble
green musk
wasn't it confirmed hermes?
atomic panther
Was it?
somber epoch
and lightning gun S H R E D S
tall gulch
The ads still mostly stay in one place, so the fog damage would help
tall gulch
(I'm not talking purely gun, just Dio legendary in general)
pastel jolt
somber epoch
and if you have flurry fire? goodbye ltierally anything
atomic panther
To keep the Olympian Gods 50/50 men/women tho, I'd say Hestia. She's underrepresented and I want to see more of her
somber epoch
hydra is gonna need to buy flex tape in bulk
pastel jolt
54 damage per shot without backstabs
tall gulch
If Hestia is the next god what would her boons be?
green musk
wow
latent badger
fire stuff
tall gulch
Although, if they have Dionysus as one of the Olympians, that kind of kicks out Hestia as being one
(assuming they stick to there being 12)
somber epoch
I think the roadmap says 8 for right now
pastel jolt
i mean hestia's definitely an olympian, whether or not we see her ingame
tall gulch
Hestia and Dionysus trade off on being one of the 12 Olympians
somber epoch
what if its uh
hm
thor makes a surprise appearance
if we wanna get real obscure
Iris would be a pretty dope god
proud storm
so ive noticed something with poseidon's legendary
the delay between the two knockback instances varies depending on what caused the first knockback
if it's the poseidon attack the second knockback happens around half a second after the first
if it's the poseidon dash the second knockback happens... 2 seconds later
tulip timber
Gun + Artemis Legendary = LOTS OF SUPPORT FIRE.
tall gulch
Oh man
green musk
Honestly
tall gulch
Didn't even think of that
tall gulch
(although it's basically a worse version of the zeus attack)
somber epoch
i guess she is good on gun
open kernel
I stacked Artemis' attack buff with a bunch of other stuff on the no-charge bow and was doing hella damage
green musk
90 dmg crits
pastel jolt
i did a run earlier today with the dual shot bow and artemis attack boon and destroyed everything
somber epoch
I LOOOOOOOVE dual shot
open kernel
I had purple of her attack buff so it was like 40% crit
somber epoch
it's such a nice replacement to point blank
green musk
60/5 = 12 so ... epic boon is basically 110% dps boost?
open kernel
And Ares boon to increase attack even further
green musk
Esja
the crit is always a flat 20%
the damage modifier you get gets higher
on purple
somber epoch
now
green musk
But yeah, artemis didn't get gutted
somber epoch
for the first time in a while, though, guaranteed crits are back in the game
icy edge
Smth that penalized cast but gave extra darkness
Problem is, when i finished the 2nd one
It said lv2
worn owl
they were in for sword the whole time
green musk
she technically has the highest DPS upgrade in the game. it's just RNG.
icy edge
But the effect was still just 35% more
hard holly
Is she?
somber epoch
yeah
hard holly
Does she, I mea
somber epoch
if you crit on every shot
open kernel
So it's always 40% chance, but it increases the multipier?
green musk
110% on purple verses lik 90% on athena?
somber epoch
no, the chance is the same
open kernel
for attack crit chance
green musk
It's always 20%
somber epoch
i think the chance is a flat 20%, no?
green musk
but you get a base damage increase
pastel jolt
it's 15% tho
somber epoch
yeh
green musk
of 20 - 60
open kernel
Perhaps the wiki is out of date then
pastel jolt
yes, the wiki is out of date
green musk
15 on attack, 20 on special
open kernel
Because it says flat 40% chance with multiplier varying
pastel jolt
it does
somber epoch
i could go change that, sparrow
open kernel
and I'm pretty sure 40% is what I had last night
green musk
So yeah on attack it's less
so wait
only 110% on special
=> less than like
purple poseidon, purple athena.
pastel jolt
you could, if you know for certain that you have the right numbers to put in place
green musk
it isn't even guaranteed damage
somber epoch
sure, could someone go double-triple-check the artemis numbers?
open kernel
I'm at work, I'm afraid
green musk
I just know I got a purple special boon once
56% base damage increase, 20% chance to crit
worn owl
the fact that the crit is multiplicative of other attack bonuses means it can outstrip other attack boons if you get enough of those
somber epoch
i might just dig through footage
pastel jolt
if i'm going to check the numbers myself then i might as well update the wiki while i'm at it
green musk
it's probably better if you get a % based weapon upgrade from daedalus
pastel jolt
that's today's project then
atomic panther
Artemis attack buff + world splitter
somber epoch
ah, ok
atomic panther
I need this
somber epoch
do you know if the Daedulus buffs are updated?
atomic panther
On the wiki? I don't know
open kernel
But yeah all I remember is that she gave me a ludicrous Attack upgrade that I used with the rapid fire bow
green musk
with world splitter you'd get... 360 dmg crits
not that insane
seeing as you could achieve that before
but guaranteed
pastel jolt
i haven't done them, so probably no
open kernel
And I stacked like 4 different attack upgrades
To the point that my attack was doing huge damage
It was almost like world splitter sword except safer because it was ranged and less laggy
😃
atomic panther
World Splitter has the highest base attack damage of any weapon except Spear's spin, so I want to see it crit on something
open kernel
Oh other fun runs was gun + Poseidon attack upgrade lol
worn owl
the main drag I feel about the artemis attack boon is the very bad pom scaling
somber epoch
i wish you could get 2 hammers in the same run
open kernel
I had the unlimited clip and his attack upgrade
worn owl
damage only increases a tiny amount, crit chance increases none
open kernel
Just smashed people into walls constantly
atomic panther
There are balance + complexity reasons why you can't
tulip timber
Poseidon on Attack + Shotgun hammer bugged me out last night.
I got one of the blue crystal guys stuck... somewhere.
open kernel
Oh?
Oh
I've had enemies get slightly stuck but usually they can get themselves back out eventually
tulip timber
Every shot from the shotgun has knockback tied to it.
open kernel
or I can hit them with a cast or something weird
open kernel
Did you try using your special
tulip timber
Yeah, I ran around and bombed the edges of the map and all the scenery.
open kernel
Hm
tulip timber
Yeah, that was what it would do. The attack would do good damage, and then they would bounce against the wall 10 times.
open kernel
Ket I just had unlimited mag gun with attack upgrade and it was wall slam city
Nothing could get close
somber epoch
did you force quit and reload, dan?
tulip timber
Nah, I walked into the lava. I was fine trying something else.
atomic panther
Quitting in the middle of a room gives up the run, so that wouldn't fix the problem
tulip timber
But I sent it in as an F10. Things getting stuck on or in scenery has been going on for a bit, but figured more occurrences might escalate the issue.
tulip timber
Oh, alt F4?
tulip timber
Didn't occur to me, actually. Will next time.
It will no doubt happen again, I seem to get Poseidon a lot.
Does it seem to anyone else that Legendaries are a LOT easier to get now?
tulip timber
Yeah, on my Artemis gun run I had support fire before Meg.
latent badger
For me, its knowing which boons i need to get to make the legends appear
tulip timber
There's that, but it seems like you get more boons earlier. Also, they added extra routes to a lot of the rooms, so you get less "You must get a key" rooms.
somber epoch
yeah, which is reeeeeeeeal nice
pastel jolt
question, has anybody gotten clean kill since the good times update
latent badger
Ive noticed more rooms, but not more boons unfortunately
tulip timber
I have not, just the increased damage to armor for crit.
latent badger
is clean kill the one that increases crit damage? I got that one
pastel jolt
increases the damage done by your crits, yes
can you remember what rarity it was and what the increase was
i'm looking at the numbers and i don't know if i have them right
tulip timber
@pastel jolt is a Wiki hero. 😃
latent badger
Sorry no, I can't remember
pastel jolt
fair
latent badger
and I'd hate to jsut guess
pastel jolt
yeah, please don't
tulip timber
I'll keep my eyes open. Any other numbers you're looking to iron out?
pastel jolt
nothing i can think of off the top of my head
i know i've seen it today or yesterday but i don't know if i screencapped it when i did
tulip timber
As a Mod, can you pin messages? It might be worthwhile to have a "These are the wiki things we need more info on" for us to contribute.
Or maybe have a page on the wiki for "pages that need more info; contact X, Y, and Z in Discord to submit."
pastel jolt
found it in one of my screenshots, i was correct - looks like clean kill goes 100/125/150% damage as rarity goes up
tulip timber
Cool. Honestly, Artemis doesn't have to have more raw damage than the other Gods. She can be approximately equal on average. Her benefit is from when she randomly just destroys something.
somber epoch
but now like
even when she does a bunch of damage, thanks to armor changes
its still less good
tulip timber
It's less good than before maybe, but before she was way out of line compared to everyone else.
somber epoch
i think the chaos update helped tone her down enough
tulip timber
I will forever miss Dash-Crit. 😦
pastel jolt
dash crit broke the game in half if you used bow
tulip timber
Could you imagine dash crit with the gun? 😃
somber epoch
and then they proceed to gut her
somber epoch
then DEATH
tulip timber
Yeah, that's what I meant. Kablam.
violet stirrup
artemis boons SHOULD be op with bow
somber epoch
yeah but
violet stirrup
but
somber epoch
dash crit broke the game in half
violet stirrup
yeah
somber epoch
like
violet stirrup
it was disgusting
somber epoch
you could play hades blindfolded with both hands behind your back and take no damage on hydra
violet stirrup
I beat hydra on my second run just by getting dash crit
tulip timber
Gun is so good on Hyrdra. No matter what boons / hammer buffs you picked up along the way.
violet stirrup
id love to see a melee weapon that lets you grab the support beams and swing it around you
tulip timber
General Underworld Negator.
violet stirrup
like a wrecking ball
somber epoch
I'm waiting on the Hammer
somber epoch
think about it
hasty mauve
HAMMAH
somber epoch
this game is very similar to Bastion
we also don't have a heavy hitting weapon so far
violet stirrup
transistor sword anyone?
somber epoch
and gun proves they are willing to change the formula up somewhat
violet stirrup
unique hacking mechanic
somber epoch
because i think the gun is the only weapon that doesn't stagger, right?
tulip timber
Would hammer special be whirlwind spin? 😃
violet stirrup
hammer should stagger even if enemy has shield
somber epoch
that would be a nice way to compliment armor
violet stirrup
armor*
violet stirrup
talking swordd
somber epoch
talking sword but it's skelly
violet stirrup
yess
tulip timber
I like how snarky Zag gets with the talking sparkle narrator man.
latent badger
HIT THEM MOREEE
tulip timber
I could see the "heavy hitter" weapon being just punches. I'm team "Big stupid boxing gloves."
hasty mauve
I actually want
A really light weapon that forces you to go melee mode to SWISH and FLICK
Dubbel daggers babyy
violet stirrup
Titan Gauntlets
somber epoch
The Straight Razor of Doom
violet stirrup
Grab and throw enemies
tulip timber
Prison shiv.
pastel jolt
alright new question, what about hide breaker, can someone share their numbers on that
violet stirrup
you can do cool stealth backstabs
tulip timber
Zag's special toothbrush.
hasty mauve
But after all
somber epoch
special turns you invis for x amount of time
violet stirrup
omh
violet stirrup
infernal smoke bomb
somber epoch
whip could also come
violet stirrup
made fromthevery smoke of asphodel
but altered
so it turns you invis and perfectly.see through
tulip timber
No reason why we're limited to the amount of weapon pedestals. Easy enough to drop more on the balcony.
latent badger
A flamethrower courtesy of Hestia
tulip timber
So you know how in the starting balcony you can walk out and gaze upon the upcoming journey?
violet stirrup
yea
tulip timber
I hope they add one of those to each of the middle waiting rooms.
tulip timber
Between floors.
violet stirrup
Im waiting for gatekeeper thanatos
violet stirrup
who guards the final doors between hell and olympus
tulip timber
I like little breathing space areas.
tulip timber
Charon Boat Pole.
somber epoch
w h a c k
worn owl
toss em at people
violet stirrup
bouldy should be a wewpon
somber epoch
final boss is hades but u have sisyphus and bouldy providing support
tulip timber
Rather than Sysyphus being just "here is some stuff," I want them to make that room into a bowling minigame where you use Bouldy to knock over a bunch of bloodless to determine your reward.
latent badger
With bouldy, the music changes to katamari damacy
proud storm
somber epoch
apparently it costs 165,000 darkness to max it
somber epoch
i wonder how someone found that number
proud storm
how many ranks is that
pastel jolt
ten
worn owl
it is just in the code right
pastel jolt
[raises hand] i know where to look for numbers
somber epoch
they said we shouldn't look for numbers
pastel jolt
who did?
worn owl
but I like numbers
tulip timber
That is an absurd amount of numbers.
proud storm
are you sure it's 165k
pastel jolt
yes
stuck bloom
agreed with that
proud storm
bc if it's 10 ranks and the cost increases by 1k every rank it should be 55k
pastel jolt
1000 / 2000 / 3000 / 4000 / 5000 / 10,000 / 20,000 / 30,000 / 40,000 / 50,000
stuck bloom
tested it myself
stuck bloom
seen those numbers
turbid needle
even "The World" won't help you there with these numbers
proud storm
'ok let's just take it step by step 1k each- SIKE SEE YOU NEXT 10K"
worn owl
and realized the solution to heat capping darkness usage making darkness gathering pointless
is to instead of having a cap, have a cost increase
tulip timber
Nah, then it makes it so you can overcome heat with grind.
Which kind of undermines the purpose.
green musk
I meaan
1000 for a rank is alright
but comon
randomly DOUBLING the amount
then having it increment with 10K each?
that's just asking folks to grind
somber epoch
That's gonna change 100000%
green musk
and I don't even think you can get boons by re-rolling
somber epoch
I think the reason it's so much rn
is that so players can experience using the boon
green musk
coz we don't have anything else to sink darkness into?
somber epoch
but not be able to get to a broken point with having so much of it
green musk
i mean
again
I don't think you can reroll into boons
so what's the point?
as far as I can tell you can only roll into darkness keys and ambrosia
somber epoch
they might be working on that functionality
proud storm
you can roll into anything
somber epoch
it seems to be another pact of punishment situtation
proud storm
except charon
somber epoch
where it initially launches lacking full functionality
and then after some testing is adjusted
green musk
Time to just roll into boons then I guess 😛
seems like an easy way to get 2-4 extra boons on a run?
if you get all 10
pastel jolt
sure, if you wanna burn all ten rolls on one door :P
green musk
btw
current megagorgon is stupid to fight
No tell to wether she is going to shotgun, AOE blast, or spray.
turns almost instantly whilst spraying.
sucks to fight with melee weapons
icy edge
Then just yeet cast at her?
Dunno, never lose any HP fighting her on 20ish heat runs
green musk
I just get impatient
worn owl
Athena bull rush seems to not be working right after the last patch for those projectiles
proud storm
atomic panther
:0
proud storm
making music with the new keepsake sounds
atomic panther
Play Megalovania
proud storm
underworld's smallest gold pot https://i.imgur.com/P5jP6ok.jpg
frosty pier
Yeah they are small
frosty pier
How?
So you did not noticed them for all game lifecycle?)
THEY WERE ALWAYS THERE
HIDDEN
WATCHING YOU
orchid turret
Is there any way to skip 1 min challenge rooms for faster times ?
frosty pier
Nope, no way other than dying.
grim loom
try to avoid them if given the choice, i guess
orchid turret
i am asking if i can chose to skip them 😄
somber epoch
no
grim loom
i usually come across them as one of two options out of the previous chamber
orchid turret
can you tell if its gonna be a challenge room ?
grim loom
as i understand it theres a little white skull on the bottom of the reward preview on the door but i might be wrong
somber epoch
yeah
ember lotus
No. But the golden skull icon on the door will tell you when a room is expected to be a little more difficult
somber epoch
skull directly under bottom of icon: boss or midboss
ember lotus
Some of those doors are timed challenges
orchid turret
i think skulls mean that its going to have harder mobs with armor
somber epoch
skull to left or right bottom: challenge/harder room
orchid turret
so as i understand you can't really tell if its gonna be a timed challenge room ?
somber epoch
right
orchid turret
its just random what you get
atomic panther
The survive rooms are different than the rooms with the skull. The skull rooms in Tartarus always give 20 darkness, whereas Survive rooms can give anything from 10 darkness to a hammer. In Asphodel, survive rooms also appear (Max once per zone, up to twice per run) but they're 55 seconds. The skull rooms in Asphodel are better known as The Murderboat™, and offer Boons rather than normal room rewards
turbid needle
Megagorgon is also a skull room in asphodel
atomic panther
That's the miniboss room, which also has a skull on it, but is slightly different
orchid turret
@atomic panther Tartarus timed rooms should be 45 sec iirc
atomic panther
They, are, yes
turbid needle
the skulls are different???
for megagorgon and boat?
i never noticed
How do you tell the difference? I've made the mistake of looking for megagorgon and getting murderboat 
atomic panther
The difference IIRC is in where the skull is placed along the bottom of the next room icon
somber epoch
midboss has skull directly under
somber epoch
me neither i learned it the other day
orchid turret
Well it just sucks that i have to do timed rooms, they slow me down so much that i just quit the run if i get them twice
somber epoch
on the bright side, it's a way to get a lot of gold depending on your build
night pasture
I've no doubt that the skull orientation thing is something they'll make clearer in a future update
obtuse merlin
I hope so
radiant grove
I just killed the hydra for the first time with a triple shot bow doing 90 damage each arrow
somber epoch
wow, nice!
radiant grove
it was actually so stressful until the last phase I had only punding hydras
pounding*
errant narwhal
i was there to witness it and it was beautiful
somber epoch
oh, neat!
hasty mauve
Probably
radiant grove
what does that mean?
hasty mauve
Stuff
proud storm
do you have the pact of punishment
radiant grove
nah
radiant grove
now like I don't have enough keys to unlock it
proud storm
ah i see
radiant grove
just need to play more this is such a fun game
proud storm
you shouldve gotten a special resource after beating hydra probably
radiant grove
yeah the skull thingy
proud storm
yeah
this is called heat
when you unlock the pact of punishment you can spend heat in it to make your runs harder
radiant grove
so 180 means everything in there is maxed?
proud storm
currently yes
proud storm
it is
radiant grove
I had 245 health that run too
fading crescent
What does it actually take to unlock the Adamant Rail? I have all weapons unlocked and can see it, but when I try to interact with it, it says I don't have enough keys to unlock it but also doesn't specify how many keys I need anywhere.
frigid rain
should need 8 keys
fading crescent
Okay! Thank you.
pastel jolt
it should say right there on the weapon that it takes 8
tired cove
has anyone figured out the amount of health each character has?
frigid rain
If it doesn's show, maybe do an f10 and send a bug report, or take a screenshot
What do you mean each character?
tired cove
my bad i mean each enemy,
hasty mauve
Atleast 7
frigid rain
Wiki has estimate healths
tired cove
thank you
frigid rain
Bar people who would stick to a weapon that only deals 10/20/specific amount of damage per shot, record gameplay, and then rewind to count the damage numbers, I think we might just need to wait till people can peek into the code for specifics
atomic panther
I think that's literally how the calculate it
frigid rain
Yeah, I'm not surprised
coarse sable
hey sorry if this has already been mentioned before but is anyone hitting BAD lags in asphodel because i know my computer's old but it's been able to handle a lot up till then
those witches spamming their cast are what do my computer in hardcore
plush blaze
I usually get some FPS drops in asphodel survival rooms
I think I might have noticed more than last patch but I can't tell for sure
old rivet
How do i get pain level
shrewd sedge
https://imgur.com/IKi4X3B yess finally clared with pact
hydra took all my second chances on the 3rd phase, phew
hasty mauve
I feel like cast builds absolutely annihilate last boss btw
Keep name spoiler tagged 😮
pastel jolt
not in here you don't need to
hasty mauve
Wait
Which one is it
Im so confused
Just dont look at what people write and its not a spoiler
;^)
turbid needle
I remember watching a hitless hydra fight which was largely done with super powered Zeus cast
full prawn
So what's the deal with those new skull-pedestals you can knock down in Asphodel? As far as I can tell if you destroy one or more before you kill any enemies in the room you get coins
atomic panther
They all give coins, if you're fast enough. And they just changed the art on the pillars
full prawn
thanks
tulip timber
Patch Notes: Gun was too good. What did we do.
static skiff
now its just alright.
rugged summit
nerfs were deserved for the gun
my first time using it i slapped on no heals with the pact and cleared without using a death defiance
it was really really good
old rivet
The special is a little weird
pastel jolt
see above: why lightning strike got nerfed into the floor
somber epoch
yeah, lightning strike deserved some tweaks
pastel jolt
wow. seriously, charon??
shrewd sedge
woah 10 dmg for epic+boos+well of charon buffed lightning strike
pastel jolt
i'm torn between going for the hammer or the pom tbh
i'm probably going to get a hammer anyways and the pom will help me kill enemies before they have a chance to kill me back.....
atomic panther
Hammer is just better 9 times out of 10
shrewd sedge
I'd hammer
shrewd sedge
next room randomizer
carmine zinc
The new darkness upgrade
somber epoch
ah, i c
fast wharf
What weapon?
pastel jolt
spear
i went for pom, and now i'm facing the same hammer/pom choice at the pre-meg shop lmao
somber epoch
oh lol
turbid needle
lmao
somber epoch
inb4 no hammers rest of the run
atomic panther
Gotta go Hammer
sullen crag
I'm a spear special kinda guy, the spin kinda interrupts combos too much for me.
turbid needle
Spear can do without the hammer upgrade imo given that you've got a massive lightning strike
sullen crag
The extra range is nice but having to stop your damage and stun lock is kinda eh
fast wharf
Skewer is Re-donk-youlous.
fast wharf
350 Damage easy with a decent upgrade.
pastel jolt
welp, time to see what meg does to me
sullen crag
Just lame out the fight with skewers ez ez.
open kernel
Oh yeah
hollow totem
hasty mauve
One of the most fun runs I had was world splitter with level 6 poseidon auto attack boon
pastel jolt
i used a death defy ;3;
plush blaze
imo zeus attack needed a nerf but I don't think this is a good nerf for it.
It's still pretty decent on gun, but it's pretty awful on everything apart from it (not counting sword flurry blade)
turbid needle
@hasty mauve World splitter with Artemis is also juicy
pastel jolt
though that's not bad considering it was my first time fighting her on 60 heat
plush blaze
One way to solve it would be to add a cooldown to the zeus proc
hasty mauve
Yeee @turbid needle That's true
They nerfed my lovely crit build though 😦
Base crit now
plush blaze
But this way it's being balanced for the gun in particular, and it doesn't fit with how the zeus attack works on other weapons
pastel jolt
it's still pretty tasty on spear
plush blaze
Yeah
fast wharf
Nioce. I didn't notice the Heat in the first screen shot.
turbid needle
Base crit is low but the new base damage makes the random crits massive
plush blaze
Another way to balance it better would be to move to different stats for certain boons per weapon, but that gets messy quickly. And that probably wouldn't be something they'd want to introduce in a mid-patch for balance
Alternatively alternatively, remove static damage for zeus and make the lightning effect damage a % of the base damage of the weapon
somber epoch
giggle you said static
plush blaze
🌩
hasty mauve
Hihi
plush blaze
👋
hasty mauve
Oh no
somber epoch
why do you say death insure instead of death defiance? am curious
fast wharf
That sounds... Stressful.
atomic panther
Death Insurance is the one given to enemies
pastel jolt
i used my last death defy but i made it