I feel you Lizzy
#h1-builds-and-combat
livid kraken
north hawk
Ares feels kind of... powerful this time.
I didn't think he would be as strong as he would be
north hawk
Especially with the shield's bounce
drifting hemlock
@livid kraken when you fight meg at max heat do you feel like her hp is not increased?
I feel like she dies just as fast
north hawk
Since that's low damage but multi-hit
drifting hemlock
Yeah i know that should be the case but i didn't feel like she did at all
north hawk
I never thought Meg would feel easier.
livid kraken
At least that's how it feels
drifting hemlock
Guess our feelings arent the same ๐
livid kraken
Maybe I'm wrong and I'm used to having too much dmg from normal runs
north hawk
Hey, she did, it didn't take too long. I was just new to the game.
What's your favorite weapon?
livid kraken
Sword for big chops, spear for progress in pact mods
drifting hemlock
Fav Weapon: Shield
Fav Cast: Aphro or Artemis
Fav Legendary: Zeus
north hawk
Shield, yeah, it has a lot of use.
drifting hemlock
Is anyone finding that you're taking damage outside the visual circle of the dropping rock guys?
drifting hemlock
It feels janky, either the dmg aoe should decrease or the visual should be bigger
north hawk
Maybe... I also feel like the bombs could use a visual indicator of AoE, since the mines do
drifting hemlock
Bombs i dont have a problem with, though that some of the big bombers is only dropping a single bomb now feels like an unnessecary nerf
north hawk
Eh, I always felt the triple bombs was a little too much. Maybe one bigger one?
Split the difference?
stray radish
or maybe two that go off in two different directions so you have to be smart with how you dodge
drifting hemlock
By the chaotic nature of the game I'd say a lot of bombs would fit better than one big
livid kraken
I wish you could use some chaos banes as pact mods. Enemies dropping bombs on death was a lot of fun. Especially in survival room
livid kraken
!
drifting hemlock
The bomb thing. I feel like some bombs track you while others just dodges you
Even tho it specifically says they will target you
livid kraken
Yeah, maybe they can bounce off walls and obstacles or something
are there legendary chaos boons?
stray radish
dash to cursor
drifting hemlock
but you would only be able to dash one direction
drifting hemlock
ah that would work ๐
stray radish
XD
livid kraken
I just want to dash Hydra to shadow realm. That's my personal goal
drifting hemlock
What if when you completed the game on 150 heat you could opt in to become an enemy creature of your choice in another players current run! ๐ฎ
north hawk
Eh, that would leave you to die quickly
drifting hemlock
Hah! Not if im a blue floaty boi going out of bounds!
pastel jolt
oh my god, for once i actually had a ridiculously fun spear run
i hope this build shreds the hydra as much as it did with normal enemies??
pastel jolt
little lighter on poms than i wanted but oh well
drifting hemlock
Hydra got 8000 hp and the small heads got 1200, math time before you enter ๐
pastel jolt
yeah i got two zeus/athena trial of the gods which is why i have so many boons
drifting hemlock
@livid kraken did you beat the hydra yet btw?
north hawk
Spear is my second best.
livid kraken
To be fair the most difficult thing on max heat is lava zone. That's a lot of different enemies and combinations to learn
and the flying heads are my weakness
north hawk
Numbskulls or gorgons?
livid kraken
oh, yeah they are both flying heads. I didn't realize
flying dropping sudden death please no go away heads
north hawk
At least numbskulls are easier to deal with
Low health and all
Gorgons, they paralyze you and then blam, dead
primal folio
yeah those stuns are killer
livid kraken
I meant the cyclops stone statues that drop on you
primal folio
oh! skullcrushers
north hawk
Oh, them, you probably want to set them off on your terms
Dash under them and then dash away and they'll drop
At least that's how I handle them
north hawk
Yeah, Lizzy mentioned that too
livid kraken
I know but the threat of them forces me to check every spawn before I start hacking. Too many times I got hit becuase I'm not used to checking if circle of death is beneath me
north hawk
I wonder if this falls under the category of "gid gud" or not
livid kraken
Yeah
It's just something new to learn, which I find good in games. I'm just used to playing differently in lava zone and it's hard to change habits
north hawk
Yeah, disappearing enemies that drop in from above is an entirely new thing to learn
primal folio
yeah it'll probably take some time to adjust to
livid kraken
I got a pro tip tho
Head can't drop on you if you are on top of the head that's already on the ground
I discovered it by accident when I decided to die and reset run
primal folio
also those heads usually only pound once they have a firm lock on your position, so staying moving and dashing also means they cant hit you
I was in some fights in Asphodel where I literally had to drop and wait to get them to trigger the attack so i could kill em
jade estuary
@livid kraken what does it mean to reset run?
livid kraken
It just means to die. Now you can use "give up" option in the menu so it's a bit faster
north hawk
Well, speaking as the people above, they aren't so easy to deal with
livid kraken
They are good addition in mob packs. They add variety. Now you have to look beneath you to not get hit. I like it
hard holly
I mean it depends on how many dashes you have
But they drop down when they lock on you, which is represented by the shadow being replaced by a small white circle
Once they do that, two dashes guarantees that you wont get hit
livid kraken
Yeah but they are not usually the only threat. Using dash on one type of attack leaves you vulnerable to other different mobs.
hard holly
True, though that generally that is fairly easily aleviated by determining a kill order and dragging enemies in certain directions
livid kraken
Depends on the map. The triple island can be difficult to manage mobs
somber epoch
imagine them on murderboat
hard holly
I dont think they would be that bad
Its Infernobombers and skellys that make Murderboat a pain
somber epoch
wait i just thought of a terrible idea
get a build that basically makes you immune to lava
find a skullcrusher
lure skullcrusher to drop into lava
laugh
livid kraken
Throwing stuff in lava and spike/dart traps is always good entertainment
I hope some zone will have neutral mob that are just hostile to everyone
hard holly
I dont get the point of trap-related boons
livid kraken
so you can throw mobs to them
hard holly
Like Athenas "Traps do less damage to you" boon
somber epoch
it's so zag can lava surf
hard holly
Why would anyone ever pick that
somber epoch
i mean like, it might be nice to be able to dash without a care in the world
livid kraken
Can you level this boon?
somber epoch
I think so
livid kraken
Welp, I got research to do now
somber epoch
i mean like, i've seen epic rolls on sure footing be 54% less trap damage
@raven moon the reason chaos gates heal is bc of room transitions triggering off Chtnoic
because it does advance you a chamber
livid kraken
It's still silly tho
raven moon
Yeah I know, but today I got situation when entering cost me 6hp and it also healed me for that amount. They should increase cost or disable healing
@somber epoch
somber epoch
that would be a mechanical nightmare, i think
also chaos gates were absolute garbage before
raven moon
Lol, this will ad some 'ifs' but I don't think it's so hard to implement. And yes they were, but they are really cool now
stable oyster
K so i just found out that 30% extra foes from chaos affects hydra heads
lyric path
Are the bloodless teleporting for anyone else? Or is it just me?
still pewter
are you sure you're not in a double boon room?
lyric path
I was in a double boon. I must not have noticed that they do that in those normally.
somber epoch
it depends on teh god
still pewter
most angry gods add teleportation
lyric path
Noted
pastel jolt
my lowest time is 17 minutes
which tbh i'm fairly happy with considering i'm not that good at the game :V
plush blaze
I've been going for aphrodite cast builds today
Seems to be pretty effective
sub 11 is a survival room away
Or just, another pom or 2
hard holly
I think my fastest is 16 minutes
Which incidentally was the one successful 500% more damage from enemies run
plush blaze
I'm consistently under 13 minutes atm, lots of 12:xx and 2 11:xx today
Going to actually stream runs after exams
proud storm
i tend to finish in ~17 minutes but i never tried going faster
plush blaze
IGT doesn't tick during decisions which is very nice
drifting hemlock
My fastest was 11 minutes but i feel i was heavily slowed down by the 14 boons i had to pick...
Luck incurred when i didnt need it
proud storm
truth is i'm too busy discovering new dialogues to speedrun the game 
plush blaze
trial of the gods isn't worth it imo for the time you lose
drifting hemlock
it doesnt tick while im doing that? Looool i just insta picked everytime to not lose time, guess i should turn on the ingame timer ...
Timers just usually stress me out
onyx badger
Do you speed run from the beginning of a new game?
drifting hemlock
As in all games there are different categories of speedrunning
but yeah usually its a maxed mirror run
ancient stirrup
@plush blaze What are you running with the Aphro cast build for speedruns? I'm having a lot of fun pairing it with Artemis crit boons
ancient stirrup
oh definitely those Chaos boons too
snagged a +75% cast damage chaos boon yesterday... so nice
rapid peak
Have had a 10:19 so far this patch @plush blaze Would love to see what you can accomplish
onyx badger
lol
plush blaze
Also the artemis bloodstone drop boon is always good for hydra, gives you more options in the spread of damage between the main head and smaller heads
@rapid peak Well done, and thank you ๐
There seem to be a lot more people running the game than submitting to SRC
rapid peak
Zeus cast build with good Artemis and Chaos luck 
plush blaze
I guess partially since it's a beta
rapid peak
Didnt record my run, but would have had otherwise for sure
Was just testing out the patch and happened on a really good run
plush blaze
I recorded this one, going to submit it (partially since it will motivate me to keep running it)
plush blaze
speedrun . com
plush blaze
๐
rapid peak
So far only a single run is there from this patch, but hopefully more will come
plush blaze
Yeah from teddy
drifting hemlock
But would it makes sense to do a speedrun of a non-finished game?
i mean for that community
plush blaze
You can separate patches into different categories
It's still fun, and keeps it fresh I suppose 
ancient stirrup
It'll help find unbalanced builds/boons Lizzy ๐
rapid peak
Is any game finished in a speedrunning-sense 
plush blaze
This update is pretty fun to speedrun for sure
With the chaos boons
And casts being uh
"good"
ancient stirrup
much improved over last patch, that's for sure
drifting hemlock
omg mine rooms with 100% more enemies are teeeeedioooouuussssss!
autumn tapir
last patch casts were even better imo
plush blaze
Why do you say that?
drifting hemlock
Casts have only improved via chaos, nothing else changed
analog crystal
How are you all allocating you're heat? I'm particularly enjoying +500% damage taken, max limited darkness and only 1 boon choice
drifting hemlock
Max it out baby!
analog crystal
I only have 100 heat
And I think it's 150 so far
So I'm looking forward to thattt
Is it fun?
plush blaze
I haven't used heat yet but seems like a fun addition
somber epoch
@drifting hemlock yes you said my name? :^)
drifting hemlock
Its fun in a "I wish I didn't" kinda way, y'know like Darksouls and Bloodborne
analog crystal
To me it seems like the option of adding 3 hits, and more enemies seems like it doesn't make it harder just grindy and annoying
drifting hemlock
Made it to mid asphodel as my farthest but the jankyness of the big boy rocks AoE got me down
Yep it does
Just prolongs every encounter
analog crystal
I might rock everything minus that
drifting hemlock
Tbh the toughest one is the boon one
analog crystal
I really enjoy that
drifting hemlock
you can't tailor your skills the way you want, you get what you get
analog crystal
Because it makes is harder, but not grindier
drifting hemlock
Grindy aswell, its just more hits
100% enemy increase, 100% health and the 3 first hits doesnt deal dmg
just makes it grindier
Still put them on tho
pastel jolt
aw man, i hate when you're just a few gold short of being able to afford two items from the shop but you've bust all the pots and no luck :c
analog crystal
Idk if I will put them on, I think making it grindy will stop me from playing the game cus each run will take an hour loool
With 500% damage, the runs are usually quite short cus it's you or them hahaha
drifting hemlock
Tbh im just going for 1 hardcore run, once its done im going back to regular runs or another game
somber epoch
just talk to dusa over and over
opal ravine
First time playing after the update, fighting any gorgon enemy with knock back is hell
analog crystal
Gl Lizzy ๐ , I've been alternating between heat and normal runs and the game is still varied enough to be fun for me!
opal ravine
hit them once and they fly off over the lava and take like 2 minutes to get back on land
north hawk
Yeah...
opal ravine
and then they drop your casts on top of the lava
analog crystal
I must say, thugs doing 60 damage early game when you have 50 health is quite brutal
analog crystal
Yeah, at least it's done fast
I ran the skull earring at first thinking I'd be low health and the damage would help me
Nvm
woeful stirrup
Get hit by a fat guy. They normally do 8 damage, so you should take 40.
pastel jolt
i love when you finish the hydra fight with your zeus dash having been the strongest thing you have (seriously it outdid my cast) and you look at the arena and it's just covered in marks
hard holly
Actually, I have found that 500% doesnt make runs any shorter
It just means that you dont always kill the Hydra
Because 40 damage arrows are a pain
pastel jolt
bold of you to assume people always kill the hydra anyway :'D
somber epoch
what if i want to hug it
analog crystal
@woeful stirrup +500% is the same as 6x so they do 48 instead
@somber epoch 2 hugs is death.... which means 1 is alright ๐
somber epoch
k
woeful stirrup
Oh, it's +500%, I thought they dealt 500%. Well, you'd still be alive then.
drifting hemlock
wish all games would cut out wording like "After you X you briefly get Y" and "Deal X more to distant foes" ... How long is brief? What is distant?
somber epoch
probably bc that number could be in flux
manic goblet
that and it's usually not super important for the average player
vernal pier
Add tooltips w specific data
drifting hemlock
but a lot of boons has "Resist 27%" or "deal 23% more dmg" ... thats not super important to the avg player either
vernal pier
There's really no excuse not too nowadays since eventually all that stuff is gonna be on a wiki eventually
Cut out the middleman
vernal pier
Skullgirls gives u frame data in the training mode if u want it that pretty much should be the new benchmark
somber epoch
skullgirls is a fighting game
drifting hemlock
But why would it be "Increase by X percentage" instead of "Makes you deal Y more" like when choosing a cast
somber epoch
big difference
drifting hemlock
If the excuse is the avg player then they shouldnt roll with percentages but straight numbers
vernal pier
Artemis Dash ability doesnt tell u duration but u can pick up a boon that extends duration and tells u how low long in seconds
somber epoch
well, straight numbers won't work because that would be straight damage
vernal pier
It just seems inconsistent
woeful stirrup
While "briefly" could be changed, how would you deal with "distant"? It's not like saying "10 meters" would help, unless Zag's model is changed to a ruler.
drifting hemlock
An increase in percentage is still straight damage isnt it?
somber epoch
no, but like
your damage can change so straight damage wouldn't work
a percentage is easy to be constant
drifting hemlock
@woeful stirrup hmm good question but maybe some kind of very hard to see circle around zag?
drifting hemlock
how can it change the very moment i pick the boon?
somber epoch
i mean later in the run
drifting hemlock
If i have 10 dmg and pick a 50% boon why wouldnt it just say deal 15 dmg instead? What would change it in that moment
By what means?
somber epoch
say for example you get an ares boon that buffs damage further
or a chaos boon
or a hammer buff
drifting hemlock
yes?
hoary jewel
Gods, I really miss Quick Temper. I confess I'm not at all thrilled at the loss of it in exchange for Boiling Blood.
somber epoch
then that original number is behind the time
drifting hemlock
It would then again, be shown as what your next dmg would be
Not sure what you're saying but it doesnt seem right
somber epoch
percentages look better imho as well
and also that would mean say
if you were to replace all percentages with straight numbers
that means for stuff like hammer buffs those numbers would have to be generated on pickup
drifting hemlock
Yes and? You'd cut out math by being shown the direct number, it's just the same as now but simplified
somber epoch
right but that's just more work
because instead of just a straight "your special deals 500% more damage to armor"
you have to add logic to convert that into what it would be for that build at that time
which could totally be done
but it is more work
drifting hemlock
Since you'd have your attack written in your boon that could easily be deal 5x dmg to armor
just like crits says deal 3x your damage
more works for the devs maybe, but not for the player
I don't think you're on the subject here ๐
somber epoch
i mean like, you could go submit a feedback about it
lizzy, if it required no extra work to put in the game at all i wouldn't mind
also, wait, lizzy, doesn't straight numbers just straight up break for things that have various damage ranges?
hard holly
The thing is
Showing damage numbers is useful
You know the base damage, you can calculate the benefit
plush blaze
It would need very little changes because the damage is already caluclated
You don't need the extra logic. The logic is already there to calculate the damage
drifting hemlock
What has varied damage ranged?
hard holly
If they said distant memory increases damage up to 120% at, idk, 900 units
drifting hemlock
Exactly
somber epoch
trap boons
plush blaze
Because it's needed literally whenever you hit someone
pastel jolt
i'm getting better at this whole hydra thing =3=
hard holly
What would that tell you?
somber epoch
damage resistance boons
somber epoch
i mean like
pastel jolt
i had like. almost 200% damage on special. it was great :D
drifting hemlock
Just change that to a flat something, Take 5 less damage from traps
somber epoch
what about isntead of text it just has a visual indicator on throw/shot indicating where distant would be
@drifting hemlock and now you can walk on lava forever and take no damage
plush blaze
"forever" meaning about 3 seconds
somber epoch
oh wait lava scales, right
plush blaze
Before you start taking more than 5 damage per tick
somber epoch
forgot, my b
plush blaze
I think that's reasonable given how situational the trap boons are
somber epoch
how about damage resistance, though
plush blaze
I think damage resistance should stay a %
somber epoch
but then how do you balance that so it's not bad early on
plush blaze
Trap damage doesn't really go past 10
So it makes sense for it to be a static number since it doesn't really scale
Enemy damage pretty continually increases as you go through the underworld, and also it would make brimstones useless (unless you also added scaling damage for them)
drifting hemlock
Again you could add a minimum
plush blaze
Yea
drifting hemlock
But again this all transpired from the "Brief and distant are okay terms because the avg player doesnt need them" and Idc if everything was made static or stayed percentages, I just don't want something thats vague in its entirety. Percentages still has a meaning even if you're not great at math OR don't care to do the math, it gives an idea of what the thing will do, but reading "this does X BRIEFLY" or "Does more to something DISTANT" doesn't do much for me if i want it in my gameplan
woeful stirrup
Straight numbers for damage can't work except for special and a few hammer upgrades. Sword has several hits that deal different amounts of damage so you'd need to show all of them in the description. Spear has a normal hit, a charge and a max charge. Shield has a bash and a rush. Bow has a whole array of damage from minimum charge to maximum charge, with power shot in the middle.
That's a lot of numbers for a description.
hard holly
Again, no number is going to help you
somber epoch
you can add a little zone on the shot
a little blue zone that indicates what distant would qualify as
drifting hemlock
Give me an indicator when i hold tab and i'd be happy
pastel jolt
hey just in case anyone was wondering about the feedback i just left, here is a screenshot i took once i'd accepted death was inevitable
woeful stirrup
Do them in order from closest to farthest, with your special. Takes a bit of time, but it's nothing hard.
Also, getting rid of that lonely skullomat on the top island would have made it easier to take care of the other ones.
pastel jolt
i'll keep that in mind for next time i guess!
woeful stirrup
It seems you have the Impact Blast from the spear, too. I find it utterly useless in most situations but skullomats are a thing it deals with easily because you'll also wreck the numbskulls.
lost rose
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ancient stirrup
@pastel jolt if you're using the spear, it helps to charge the spin attack as these spawn in so you don't get overwhelmed. Don't forget to use the full map too. Sometimes it's best to run away and clear the few that chase as you move around to flank the spawners
frail gull
@lost rose as a mod of another indie dev's discord I really appreciate that message. Keep up the good work!
rich lantern
Does anybody have a save with a BUNCH of Heat they could send me?
forest marsh
I assume you're looking for triple digits?
rich lantern
As close to it as possible!
forest marsh
Too hot for my save file, I just wanted to clarify so others could better judge ๐
rich lantern
Thank you!
drifting hemlock
Did you get a save morgan?
forest marsh
It probably wouldn't hurt to send a DM if you have a save for him to use ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
drifting hemlock
Just did ๐
forest marsh
Also, I hope you got plenty of rest after your long day the other day, Lizzy ๐
drifting hemlock
Oh btw wight! I think I found the problem with the keepsake upgrades, it seems 3 full runs gives a max keepsake as if it still remembers the first 25 encounters meaning the max is 75 and not 100 ๐
And yeah, I was a walking corpse at work and died the second i got home ...
Woke up this morning and went to work, completely a mess, only to find out i didnt have to work today....
forest marsh
Seems like a bug in the coding of the max encounters required vs what it says in the description then 
drifting hemlock
Exactly, I sent it to Mr Morgan and he wrote it down ๐
forest marsh
Oh, Lizzy 
Sleep is important 
forest marsh
I am a ghost, and I still need sleep 
drifting hemlock
btw if he needs the save, where would i find it?
lost rose
C:\Users\ [your name]\Documents\Saved Games\Hades\
forest marsh
Should be called Profile1.sav or something like that (assuming it's your first save)
drifting hemlock
ah neat found it
drifting hemlock
What happened to just using paint like the old days
Wait can't a dev just give himself resources?
somehow...
forest marsh
I had similar thoughts, but maybe they want all the associated meta-data/accumulated save info?
forest marsh
Yeah, I mean, it is 5:39 pm for SGG... Probably doing something crazy like going home and having dinner ๐
pliant hawk
gah I am so stuck on Megaerna x3
wow
okay
that shows you how tired I am
I didn't even get her name wrong
...
okay
forest marsh
I think sleep might be in order
pliant hawk
why is my brain like this
forest marsh
Sleep is important
pliant hawk
but I took a nap an hour ago
drifting hemlock
Remind me whats the downside for zeus and artemis when picking another god overthem
forest marsh
It's like this: all enemies receive some variety of that god's boon power
drifting hemlock
yeah but i dont remember art and zeus ๐
forest marsh
Oh, crit and lightning
drifting hemlock
so enemies gets crit and ligthning?
forest marsh
Respectively, yes
patent lodge
Does anyone know if it's worth giving your gifts to the boons yet?
drifting hemlock
Wight lied to me...
patent lodge
got it
forest marsh
Does it? I guess I have seen that...
drifting hemlock
Yeah died quite fast cus i didnt expect it ๐
hard holly
I'm pretty sure they have another effect, but outside of Aphrodite somehow putting weak on you, I don't know anything for sure
errant narwhal
@mellow aurora I am deleting your two recent feedbacks because they are bugs. Please report them in game by pressing F10 next time they happen!
hard holly
Anyway, when picking trial of the gods, just make sure to always pick Athena
Her special downside is the worst to face
drifting hemlock
When playing with heat I'd prefer Athenas downside to anything teleport-y
hard holly
Eh
You can iframe through attacks or time their teleports
I'd rather have that than endless waiting and more opportunities to get hit
drifting hemlock
I hate how the spear locks you from dashing
unborn spire
Is it confirmed that spurning gods makes them appear less during the escape attempts? I initially spurned Athena a bunch of times and now she almost NEVER appears during my runs.
lost rose
Don't believe so?
unborn spire
I've used the keepsake to force her once in the last several runs, but other than that I haven't seen her in weeks.
ancient stirrup
bad rng?
unborn spire
Yeah, I guess so then.
ancient stirrup
could be exploitable if it did work like that, i suppose
hard holly
That would be news to me at least
mellow aurora
i dont think it works like that. i never piss athena off cause her buffs are ridiculous on enemies, but im not seing her much in the last few runs
ancient stirrup
I never pick Artemis because I want to thin the boon options to get the crit buffs I want, and I still get those constantly ๐
white shell
https://i.imgur.com/YpsSmra.jpg
Next goal: Sub 10 min
drifting hemlock
Max health in the first room sohuldnt be a thing ...
plucky oxide
Gotta have the bad rng to appreciate the good, good hammer ๐
drifting hemlock
Honestly dont want the hammer either ๐
Pray for me, meg fight with 135 heat active
serene isle
Hello.
drifting hemlock
Hey mate!
serene isle
Yay. Fun times. I am a terrible player of this game
mostly because
Is it just me or is attacking with the shield kinda awful
compared to captain america spamming the throw
drifting hemlock
I like it for the innate pushback, it just has a shorter range than other weapons
shield is my main
the throw is only good if you have zeus or ares boons on it imo
otherwise the throw has terrible damage
serene isle
Of course
You wouldn't throw build without putting Zeus/Ares on it
That's why the keepsakes exist right
Have you found a way to properly operate the regular shield attacking? The moment I get down to asphodel, the arenas get SO BIG and cluttered that I can't reasonable wall slam/lava push the enemies
drifting hemlock
Stand by the edge to lava, dash behind when they get close and push em out
serene isle
Sounds super unsafe/risky
//decides to just throw shield anyway
I got a fun run where my ares boon got to like level 8
LOL
forest marsh
Shield might actually be my least favourite, but I think it's just my playstyle. I'm sure if I actively tried harder to get used to it that I'd enjoy it more
drifting hemlock
i feel the same about the bow
Wooooo no hits from meg!
Place your bets! How soon am i going to die in asphodel!
forest marsh
I still haven't played the new patch enough to get a good feel for all the changes... The almost complete nerf of crit-dash bow strat was painful
You're a pro, Lizzy, you got this
serene isle
Casts are really good right
mostly because of the damage buff
against casted opponents
serene isle
Ironically
I might just be bad at the game
beacause I don't even cast
I just captain america the whole game
drifting hemlock
Honestly dont think i can bring myself to playing with heat as long as the falling rock dudes has such janky mechanics
Sometimes doesnt go down when you're underneath
Dmg AoE bigger than visual AoE
Sometimes baitable other times not
forest marsh
I've found if you time it right one dash is sufficient to avoid damage, but I think that's just iframes more than being out of the AoE. I'm not really a fan of the Skullcrusher as-is, though. It's kind of a cool, unique concept relative to the other enemies, but it just doesn't feel fun or satisfying to encounter to me
drifting hemlock
In a regular run i dont really mind the jankyness because hey im not gonna be near death ever, but in a heat run with 7 of them at the same time and all of them can one shot you then it's a problem
But yeah i dont like it as an enemy besides for the big dusa room because of their synergy
forest marsh
I feel like maybe they would be better if they didn't just float in the air indefinitely to track you. Having a jump more like the skeleton's jumps where it just jumps at you makes more sense than an endlessly floating rock
drifting hemlock
True
forest marsh
It's very easy for me to not even notice that they're there at the start of a fight until I get dropped on. Which I guess is the point of the attack? If they wanted to do that though, why not just have them drop from the ceiling to start with? The tracking is kind of the same problem mechanically as the Meg fight Benny Hill routine, it doesn't really add anything gameplay wise
serene isle
Also why do the fallling rock boys
permanently stay in the air forever
until you stay 1-2 seconds under the shadow
I'd expect them to fall after a few seconds but holy heck they could stay in air for over a minute if you're dashing everywhere
grim sleet
aphrodite cast kinda crazy huh
drifting hemlock
They could also change it so they're essentially Thwomps, only hanging in one location in the room, acting as a trap
forest marsh
Speaking of the Megagorgon, since you mentioned it earlier, you actually like the Skullcrusher in that fight? I think the instant respawn is a bit annoying
drifting hemlock
The instant respawn sucks, but the synergy between their attacks is neat
But no I don't like the mob
but the synergy is a cool thought i guess
forest marsh
Ah, ok, that's fair
pliant hawk
I had hoped that after I beat Meg there would be more things to unlock
but I guess not
and it sent me all the way to the beginning
and I'm guessing I have to fight her all over again
drifting hemlock
Theres a whole floor after meg
ancient stirrup
I like the Skullcrusher in the Megag fight, kinda neat being able to hide behind to petrify it
(deflect is also great on that fight for the same reason)
forest marsh
Cast builds are pretty OP in the new patch
forest marsh
Artemis is a good choice, especially with the secondary cast boons she provides
True Shot + Burst Shot, Quick Reload, and Fully Loaded make for a mean cast build
ancient stirrup
Aphro Scattershot is pretty beastly too
crude tangle
wow thats interesting
dapper heart
rugged horizon
problem i see is that they nerfed the bosses at the same time as buffing the skills
they should have done one, waited then done the other if needed
but blood gates are my favorite thing now with the chaos egg, free 6+hp
whats the point of the skills
skulls*
just make things harder with no reward for doing so?
forest marsh
At the moment, yes
Unfortunately it's hard to find a worthwhile reward in a roguelike game for something like this, so I can understand if SGG needs more time to work it out. I would be surprised if the Pact stays as-is going into the final game
ancient stirrup
that Zeus legendary is pretty damn fun with his dash... finally got to try that
dapper heart
@ancient stirrup Throw in cast too and make Zagreus a touhou.
rugged horizon
anyone seent he chaos legendary yet?
forest marsh
From what I've heard there isn't one, but ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ancient stirrup
oh, i had his cast too ๐
raw sonnet
One does not simply see the "True Chaos" boon
lost rose
you'd have to have as many eyes as chaos to see the true chaos boon
forest marsh
The True Chaos boon is the friends we made along the way
forest marsh
I like their interpretation of Chaos, it's very solid in my opinion. Feels true to a personification of Chaos from myth as well
void gulch
getting the hang of it
ares curse with artemis chance for any damage to crit is so powerful
holy moly
wintry swan
hey, just wanted to check in, does heat bring any benefits like increased darkness gain on the run? Or is it just challenge?
forest marsh
Just challenge so far
wintry swan
ty. Didn't think so but I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.
manic ermine
Poseidon knockback and double special shots on the bow make for fun times
woeful stirrup
@manic ermine I hardly get 4 heals in Tartarus with the feather duster, and usually one of those is in the very first room, please don't nerf it or I won't have a use for best waifu's keepsake anymore 
stray radish
i think it used to be 1%
raw sonnet
It was 2% when I first found it... but I only came in last patch
sullen tree
if only I wasn't reading
woeful stirrup
It used to be 1%, but it got changed pretty fast.
sullen tree
woeful stirrup
On the 14th of December.
sullen tree
could have gotten that sub 15
raw sonnet
How does everyone keep getting their screens to show up here?
woeful stirrup
Upload them on a website like imgur or any other hosting website and post the link.
raw sonnet
I suppose that would work... Does Epic have an easy print button? Or will this have to be done manually?
pastel jolt
f11 takes a screenshot
raw sonnet
Thanks
woeful stirrup
You can also change that in controls, to take a screenshot with another key or to be able to take one with a controller.
raw sonnet
But like... will it pop up to tinker with after I turn off the game?
errant narwhal
no, itโs just saved to a folder on your computer
woeful stirrup
I may have gotten a tinsy bit carried away with the death defiances here.
(bought one and got two from Chaos)
raw sonnet
Naw, thats seconds... but because its pre patch, it shows like that instead of in minutes and secodns
flat halo
On my first re run through after the patch I defeated the early access final boss lol
How nice would be to have modifications in the way our hero looks while boosting his combat stats? Being more in favour of a god in stead another could make you look significantly different. Any way to send this idea to the developers?
azure swan
tight bridge
how do you guys feel about the bow special?
analog crystal
Imo i really like the sword special
But yeah, the bow special leaves you unable to do anything for just a bit too long for the damage it does
tight bridge
i agree was thinking of giving feedback about it, i got a purple boon from artemis for it and then even got like 4 poms (i had no other boons to put in on) and even then it was supremely unimpactful
analog crystal
At close range against 1 enemy its probably better to use than your normal shot if you can guarantee the kill
I would ctrl f in feedback to check no ones said it again since the clear first but maybe yeah
plush blaze
Bow special can be occasionally useful in the very early game for taking out brutes quickly
But it's not really that much faster and you need to be precise
manic goblet
still too unsafe
plush blaze
Yup
analog crystal
Especially if theres more than 1 brute
plush blaze
It's very niche but it's the only time I've used it
manic goblet
can just use cast+a few shots without being in super long recovery time
analog crystal
Does any1 know exactly how many shots it fires?
plush blaze
@manic goblet That will take longer though
I found it most useful for alpha striking brutes which were about to spawn
manic goblet
minorly
unless you're literally in the brutes face but then you can't afford to miss or you just take a free hit
analog crystal
That only works base game too, so outside of base game its basically useless
plush blaze
Sure
stoic sable
so the bow special can pop all of those purple dagger thingys which the hydra shoots out.
it kinda trivialises what I find to be the most difficult part of that fight
manic goblet
that part becomes extremely trivial anyway, once you figure it out
woeful stirrup
It' also the only special that works well with Ares.
grave cipher
I had good success with bow special with Artemis critics and critics deals more damage to armour boons
elfin spindle
hydra ended my 15 win streak
but it was totally my fault because I went for only % more darkness and ended with 560 darkness in one run hahaha
tawdry sleet
Only bow special I find useful is in combination with the poseidon boon
incredibly useful crowd control
but still lackluster as you get further into a run
grave cipher
I never had a good run with spear special, and Hammer upgrade where spear special goes boom seems really weak. But maybe I haven't yet found the combo with it.
woeful stirrup
Explosion spear special is pretty bad, yeah. Ruins half of the point of the special, to give it a bit more crowd control.
Just won a spear special run, though.
hushed parrot
Omg I just got Poseidon vs Aphrodite trial Three Times in a row... ๐ โฅ
raw sonnet
I mean... My boi Pos is top notch... but Aphrodite makes me weak for her
hushed parrot
i went Poseidon > Poseidon > Aphrodite
mostly because I enjoy the knockback effects
but then after I got the Poseidon legendary, I went with Aph
raw sonnet
I've had double of the twin encounter once... Artemis and Ares...
turbid needle
is the health you get from the chaos boon just normal health or does your health pool increase with that amount?
somber epoch
normal
turbid needle
Yikes
somber epoch
only thing that raises max hp is collar or centaur
turbid needle
might just me but i dont think its a very worthwhile boon then
hard holly
That one increases
somber epoch
what's the language for healing, then?
hard holly
Restore for healing
somber epoch
kk
hushed parrot
Are there any advantages to using the Pact of Punishment?
Or is it only there to make things harder?
grand patrol
just makes things harder!
somber epoch
maybe it should uh
hard holly
And more fun if you pick the right ones
somber epoch
give zag a mowhawk
fervent forge
Which are the โrightโ ones in your opinion?
hard holly
Damage up and maybe darkness down/boon choice down
Possibly healing down, if it interacts with death defy
analog crystal
I really like the one that limits your boon choice
hard holly
If it doesnt its pointless
The ones I wouldnt pick are enemy health up, number of enemies up and enemy death defy
Because those just make fights longer and more tedious rather than fun
analog crystal
Is enemy death defy the 3 hits you need on them before doing damage
hard holly
Oh thats how it works?
analog crystal
The blue hearts yeah
somber epoch
I think it goes trhough blue hearts first, yes
analog crystal
It's like armour that takes 3 guaranteed hits
hard holly
Oh, I thought it was just literally death defy for them
analog crystal
Nah, that'd suck on bosses o lord
hard holly
That is still tedious tho
analog crystal
I think the pact should be about challenge not grindyness, you're right
analog crystal
Does anyone else find that after firing an arrow sometimes your dash doesn't work?
Is this intended or a glitch?
proud storm
uuuuh dunno
proud storm
this one is for the gamers https://i.imgur.com/ZchKoHS.jpg
somber epoch
oh, does Deep Pockets and Cthonic Coin Purse stack?
proud storm
uuuuh i dunno
pastel jolt
yes, so far as i know
somber epoch
neat
somber epoch
@still dew you posted dupe feedback
still dew
oops
somber epoch
is ok
pastel jolt
nice!
analog crystal
Thanks! Has anyone done a full heat win yet does anyone know?
still dew
I've seen one on reddit
tulip timber
I'm not sure I have enough heat yet to max out the book. That's a lot of hades since Tuesday.
analog crystal
I believe its 150 heat
tulip timber
Let me rephrase: that is an absurd amount of Hades since Tuesday.
analog crystal
What's more absurd is actually winning with it
tulip timber
Well, yeah. Recall what the clear time was?
proud storm
i have 94 heat currently
tulip timber
I'd think you'd have to be WAY more careful and meticulous. And the beefy extra enemies would take a damn long time.
analog crystal
They are very good with their positioning I must say
This is like textbook hydra fight mechanics for anyone struggling with it
tulip timber
27 extra heat. o.o
somber epoch
yea i'll watch that later
analog crystal
Even the spawner eggs need 3 extra hits o lord
tulip timber
That is a damn short boon list.
analog crystal
Very lucky to get 2 epics considering they have no/little darkness into the mirror % though
tulip timber
True. Maybe they got the yarn?
woeful stirrup
It's 500 darkness, right? Even if you put it all into boons, you'd only get 5 more % from that... given that I still get 3 common boons quite often even with more than 25% more chance of getting rares, getting 2 epics is impressive indeed.
https://i.imgur.com/icTah5C.jpg
Also, such a shame I didn't get any darkness room after I got that Ocean's Bounty (same room the Chaos boon started to work)... would have been +82% and +68% darkness.
tulip timber
Noice. Every time I've been offered chaos I would have had to give up a boon, so I haven't taken it yet.
Annoying.
deep vault
I got a Chaos boon that would deal damage to me every time I did a basic attack
too bad the meg fight came was the second next encounter lmao
analog crystal
Chaos is fun and all till the pact only lets you pick 1 choice and screws you
woeful stirrup
Just give up on boons. You don't need more than 3 boons per run. In fact, more than that is counter-productive as you can never be sure you'll be able to get your poms in the right ones.
somber epoch
Look I know you want me to give up on boons, but I think Mortal Kombat 11 will be a fantastic game
If anyone gets that joke please slap me in the face
woeful stirrup
And Chaos is really good. Plenty of times I was able to nearly double my damage. I've been able to get 5 additional casts. Chaos boons are often preferable to another god's random boon.
proud storm
the "don't even think about laying a finger on me" build https://i.imgur.com/EBcjY2s.jpg
hard holly
Oof, that huge Strike boon with no synergy
proud storm
it be like that
attempting a 88 heat run
all first 4 punishments maxed + shared misery
hard holly
Good luck
hard holly
Ares or Aphrodite?
deep vault
so what are the best and the worst boons to go for in general if you have the choice?
proud storm
this is NOT going to end well
hard holly
Athena and Poseidon are the best
Ares and maybe aphrodite are the worst
Zeus is situational
Artemis is good if you dont get her attack/special upgrade boons
woeful stirrup
Her attack/special upgrade are great if you've got some Chaos boon to add more damage.
proud storm
ares is good if you manage to get him multiple times
otherwise he's alright but there's better
hard holly
Eh
Ares has 2 good boons
Revenge and Urge to kill
The dash is alright
The rest are the worst in their respective slots
Aphrodite has a couple of good boons, but most of them require you to have weak in the first place, which is the problem
You need multiple aphrodites her her to be decent
tulip timber
You just REALLY have to build Ares specifically. He is very bad for a 1 option run unless you are incredibly lucky.
hard holly
The problem is his cast is bad since it doesnt work with boiling blood now
His attack and special upgrades are bad because they do a lot less damage than all others while having no utility and not synergizing with a lot of options
tulip timber
Oooh. Yeah that needs to change. Any damage from his cast should trigger boiling blood.
I REALLY like bow special now on Hydra.
It is very good at clearing all the purple needles before they can fire.
hard holly
Urge to kill is good because its a multiplicative damage up with no conditions
And revenge because you can use lava and other low-damage traps to proc it
But still, I would avoid Ares as much as possible
woeful stirrup
Getting an Ares boon in a shop late game when you have other gods' boons already is always a good choice because Urge to Kill.
hard holly
Thats true, yeah
tulip timber
I'm avoiding heat for now while I level up relics.
hard holly
Once you can be pretty sure that his selection will include Urge to Kill, Id go for Ares
tulip timber
The "don't get hit" rooms have demonstrated how sloppy my play is.
plush blaze
Aphro is pretty meh apart from her cast
hard holly
Sweet surrender is still alright if you can get it
icy edge
Wait you can hit the hydra needles?
analog crystal
You can deflect em now too
icy edge
That I know, but I didnt think you could just swat em away ahaahahah
carmine zinc
The hydra fight is much better since you can deflect/destroy them
analog crystal
The hardest part of the hydra is the spawned heads now yeah
icy edge
I dunno, personally I still have more trouble with meg, because she hides among those big bois
Then just lunges at me for like 16 dmg
woeful stirrup
You're a strange person.
Saying boss is easy especially with the god who's been deemed worst by many.
somber epoch
i'll take your problems
woeful stirrup
Finding the easier first boss harder than the second one.
somber epoch
all the gods can be absolutely broken given the right boons, thou
like you get Black Metal and you are a true Beyblade Master
woeful stirrup
Some gods are easier to break though.
somber epoch
oh, definitely
north hawk
I find Ares boosting the shields special, with a level or two, breaks a lot
somber epoch
even aphro can be broken
north hawk
I'm not so much an aphro player. I prefer Poseidon, who I never get -.-
worn dawn
Zeus is life
worn dawn
๐ฉ
north hawk
His revenge effect is very good though, imo
worn dawn
Zeus attack on flurry blade is such a joy
finite grail
@turbid needle Good feedback, but I will mention that sgg goes over why they chose epic in the faq, and there's plenty of resources to find that information
turbid needle
One message removed from a suspended account.
finite grail
They've mentioned they're not opposed to releasing it on steam later, but for early access at least it will be on epic
somber epoch
until dec 2019 or so
north hawk
Yeah. Whatever they are, they've got their reasons
finite grail
it occurs to me this has little to do with gameplay
woeful stirrup
The simple fact that, the more studios go away from Steam, the more Steam will be required to make steps in the right direction would already be a good reason.
somber epoch
no the resource is Heat not Steam
plain wren
lol
woeful stirrup
Because at the moment, Steam is not indie-friendly at all. Had it not been for a friend, I probably would not ever have heard of Pyre, because Steam never recommended it to me. But it did recommend me Zup!, Zup! 2, Zup! Zero, Zup! 4, Zup! 5 even though everytime I put them on my ignore list and have never bought a game from that studio.
But yeah, not really gameplay-related.
I do have a gameplay question, though. When you max out the mirror, you got no more chance of common boons, right? Does that means the only use of god keepsakes becomes to start with a specific god?
nova dune
@proud storm dassa high quality build! the RNG gods loved on you
I should clip my legendary Athena/legenday Artemis build-it was pretty rude
modern shuttle
@woeful stirrup The mirror does not max percent chances to 100%. So, there is still a chance to get common boons.
gloomy scroll
soooo I just killed meg by using an upgraded cast that did 240 dmg. seemsgood
woeful stirrup
You have a base chance of getting rares and epics though.
modern shuttle
@woeful stirrup I have my entire mirror maxed. You still get common boons sometimes.
viscid ice
worldly sage
can you double up on legendaries?
tender zephyr
yes
worldly sage
thanks
tender zephyr
best bet are trial rooms
plush blaze
Just got a 10:05 run
Adrenaline was real on the hydra fight
I had my replay buffer set up wrong on OBS, it "only" recorded 12 minutes of gameplay, I needed it to be around 20m maybe
Was set to 1330 seconds so it should have worked :/
split flicker
how did they change the hydra in the patch?
hollow totem
Made it easier
proud storm
they changed the arena's layout (no more walls, just pillars here and there) and u can destroy/deflect hydra's projectiles
quartz cliff
at the start of the run, sometimes hades says some one liner and a word pops up on screen
is that some sort of modifier or is that just hades' word of the day
crimson moat
Word of the day
pastel jolt
those are remembrances!
proud storm
"remember: you suck" https://i.imgur.com/zsJVYHo.jpg
wide stratus
Thanks dad
somber epoch
hades with that encouragement
wide stratus
Father of year bc XXXX
grand patrol
when day is dark always rember you suck
somber epoch
thx hades
grand patrol
""""help""""":
somber epoch
now im thinking of hades as hank hill, please send help
or maybe kartos
@ cody barlog plz voice hades thx
analog crystal
Hades has a bunch of propane canisters in his room, that's why we aren't allowed in
tender zephyr
Damn, started a new profile with the Chaos update but neglected it. Tried to jump in to see how the difficulty scaled without any mirror upgrades and got decently far with the bow and an Epic Poseidon attack Boon but ended up dying to Meg due to being unfamiliar with only having one dodge to get away from her shadowy pillar attack.
With two dashes, it's a breeze, but with one, you have to walk for one to two seconds before dashing; otherwise, you get caught in it.
rustic tusk
I've found dodging is a lot easier if you don't just rely on the dodge button.
Survival rounds taught me this
pastel jolt
it's also worth clearing out to a relatively uncluttered area of the room for that attack so that you can stand still and not get punished for it
because sometimes she puts circles on the ground and leaves the area around you clear
rustic tusk
I hate how they made her invincible when she does that. It was so awesome dodging her strikes and hitting her at the same time. Rewarded for some skillful dodging but now it's just "keep running kid"
somber epoch
@rustic tusk when she's doing the circles on the ground? you can hit her
rustic tusk
Not always. She sometimes gets the shield that prevents damage.
Sometimes she gets it sometimes she doesn't
Still playing Bastion. Stuck on the kid
pastel jolt
she usually only goes invulnerable if you push her to a health threshold during that attack
it's kinda funny to kill her in the middle of it
rustic tusk
Oh that's lame. Why though? I despise the invincible mechanic. Breaks immersion and the tense gameplay with downtime
sounds cheap
proud storm
it's not downtime if she keeps trying to murder you 
unreal timber
is there a place to report bugs?
pastel jolt
press f10 while ingame!
unreal timber
ty
rustic tusk
It's so easy to dodge them, though. You don't even have to be skillful about it, just keep spamming the dodge button in one direction.
And that's really all to do when you can't hit them back
Also, props to whoever does the voice acting for her. So grumpy all the time even when you try to be nice to her but the voice acting just makes me wanna hear her speak
pastel jolt
that would be Avalon Penrose!
north hawk
I have to say, one of the must fun parts of the game is hitting enemies with a shield with Poseidon's blessing. It's basically pinball.
turbid needle
I am really loving the game, despite getting as far as you can in Early access I find my self trying to pass it again, it doesnt get boring really
rustic tusk
The combat is top noch. It makes you FEEL like you're batman
wide stratus
Congrats!! (ยดแ`)
somber epoch
i still need to get that bread, gamers
north hawk
Support Fire, Artemis's legendary, is great
Er
checks wiki
I guess I only got Burst shot. Still great
indigo compass
artemis cast is pretty op if ur lucky:p
i had 1770 crit earlyer lol
had a 200+ percent clean kill:p
north hawk
Yeah. I got that, then... chaos gave me two extra shots, then got artemis's boon that gives me ANOTHER extra shot
somber epoch
i like crits now
rustic tusk
The nerf was fair to her dash but still not a fan. I want to be rewarded for stupid plays, such as dodging into a bloodless
somber epoch
i mean like
they just changed crits overall
i think dash could use maybe a few more % but not muchj
indigo compass
feels too similar to presure points
somber epoch
i mean like
indigo compass
and most of the time pressure points is just as much or more
rustic tusk
^
somber epoch
yeah, i suspect most of arty's boons will be reworked
indigo compass
and u dont need to dash:p
turbid needle
this was fun https://gfycat.com/MiniaturePartialBalloonfish
rustic tusk
the low probablity of crit requires you to get a lot of it, otherwise the boost is useless
rustic tusk
Damn what's that I haven't gotten it yet
somber epoch
i believe you can get it after accepting a boon with spear sometimes
then you just glide across the ground until you attack
i hope they never fix it
rustic tusk
The hammer? The hammer is always the best boon
turbid needle
oh nice i didn't know it could happen everywhere
that was the first time it happened to me lol
rustic tusk
oh its just a bug
rustic tusk
looked so good
that I don't even mind having it
Yo when Supergiant make a game that even the Bugs look good
somber epoch
he's basically just stuck in an attack animation
turbid needle
who needs skate 4, i've got my spear
somber epoch
tony hawk's pro skater 6 featuring zagreus
rustic tusk
Supergiant games are in fact sports game makers
turbid needle
i mean their last game included dunking
rustic tusk
The other was Red hopping for one platform to the other
I'm sure that's a sport somewhere
rustic tusk
They made an anime about it
Wait nevermind that one was using their butts to push the other contestants out of the platform
...like I said, anime
autumn tapir
zeus' dash is really nice
autumn tapir
https://imgur.com/a/1wkp3MM finally beat Hydra with the sword
super speedy lightning attacks, big damage deflect casts, and the bonus to my +TooltipData.NewTotal1 rarity chance didn't hurt either
rustic tusk
That's my fav combo. I wish every boon was like the hammer
cinder dragon
Artemis Dash has been nerfed, RIP boys and girls.
hard holly
Not really, its been changed
Given that the previous version was just worse pressure points
This one might be decent
willow kindle
finally that counter-strike mirror buff is removed. i felt like it's useless completely
rustic tusk
Waaa I liked the counter-strike. Made staying and hitting back better than getting hit while running awaya
manic ermine
let you squeeze out a bit more health in death defiances
cold oriole
Does boiling blood apply to the damage proc from curses of Agony and Pain any more?
manic goblet
if it only affects dash attack, it's somewhat fine
cold oriole
yeah
hard holly
Also, burned through my death defys on tartarus, this is gonna be tricky
sullen tree
does anyone have the new damage god ratios?
hard holly
Even in general
wary parrot
rapid was worst dps upgrade in all hammer bonuses to attacks
hard holly
You lose damage
hard holly
Instead of doing 40 per shot, you do 24
hard holly
And its speed upgrade simply isnt enough to offset that
wary parrot
i mean if u got zeus its good
hard holly
On-hit builds?
cold oriole
yes
hard holly
Eh, with Zeus its still not great mainly because you had to pick Zeus
cold oriole
zeus/posideon/etc
cold oriole
disagree
wholeheartedly
its a CC build mate
you can zone better than anything else with posideon rapid bow
y'all dissing on stuff just bc it doesnt deal maximum conventional dps lul
wary parrot
i have to agree to that
but in general u dont want to gamble on having specific boon
cold oriole
generally i take a god keepsake