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#h1-builds-and-combat
drifting hemlock
analog crystal
The new hunter dash does +200% rather than +100% and now works on cast and special
So I would say it's alright
flint lynx
yeah i think the game is easier but that's the way it should be, now that we have limiters
long herald
it is easier but with the heat buffs it makes it much harder if you really think about it
pastel sundial
it's 10%.. and only after dash...
tiny pollen
I'm having trouble with Hydra. Is there a shield build that works well against him?
umbral fiber
Which is exactly the SGG style - unchallenging/casual if you want, as hard as you set it
flint lynx
i never finished the game before and now i finally won, twice. nowq i'm gonna list up the level until it would be just right for me
analog crystal
Yeah but think about cast builds, now imagine dashing to do triple cast damage every 1/10 casts
green musk
Hang on
analog crystal
Seems pretty good
analog crystal
Thats just one application
green musk
that's 300+ damage base max
green musk
strongest cast confirmed????
long herald
yeah get aries damage boon on special at it just reks him @tiny pollen
hard holly
New Hunters dash is pretty bad
tiny pollen
On special?
long herald
the q
tiny pollen
Yeah but
hm
I guess that would help
My main problem is his 25% HP clustertruck
there's so much going on that I walk into an AoE or an attack or something
long herald
yeah the bounces on the main should help with the extra heads since it hits more the one target
clear 1 or 2 heads
and keep throwing from safe distance
green musk
79 damage per projectile
if I hit an enemy that has been hit prior by a cast
it's a bit broken
tiny pollen
I've had some great luck with Poseidon's Cast as well
hard holly
Alright, lets see if I can win when enemies do 3 times the damage
tiny pollen
what I've been trying is poseidon cast, athena attack, aphro dodge
long herald
dude i got the epic zues cast and had +51% damage from chaos and my projectiles were doing 400 damage first cast with 618 follow up cast
but atleast cast build actually works now
drifting hemlock
"At least cast build actually works now" .... Cast builds were broken af before
long herald
meh i didnt feel like they did much b4 must be my play style
umbral fiber
with those kind of potentials it to me feels much more like an sgg game. at least transistor and pyre allowed total carnage if you didn't want to use any of the voluntary penalties
errant narwhal
do people really find hunter dash that bad now? i still like it..
tiny pollen
o u c h
green musk
better keep off that spacebar
in apshodel too, so I need to use bull rush to cross lava
lest I wanna die
pastel jolt
it's........ okay, but i feel like they might've swung too hard in the opposite direction trying to fix what was frankly a broken boon before
we'll see, i guess!
rugged summit
It's going the way of the weak status effect
umbral fiber
@green musk try to get that chaos boon in room 2 in tartarus next time and you'll have a jolly good time indeed 😛
rugged summit
very very bad
umbral fiber
XD surely
analog crystal
I feel so bad for speed runners
The skull crusher things
Take so long to come down sometimes
drifting hemlock
Seriously i got the Artemis boon, found artemis first, after that got zeus 5 times in a row ....
pallid lodge
Yo guyz i feel patch made it easier to come through (at least without pacts)
long herald
aww new artemis look good i like it
pallid lodge
worn fulcrum
What's Hunter Dash now?
somber epoch
not so much
green musk
300% crits
drifting hemlock
Awh yiisssss sunken treasure buffed!
worn fulcrum
It's still a dash upgrade that boosts non-dash damage
Not by as much as before, and without Quick Temper the 'pretend to be Kalista using the bow' strategy is much weaker, but it was truely absurd before
worn fulcrum
Hmm
drifting hemlock
When a trove trial says you can win up to 30 hp is it max hp or not?
worn fulcrum
If you cast, do you need to dash right before you fire the cast or right before it hits?
green musk
just a heal
green musk
you cana use hunter dash to boost cast damage
umbral fiber
good q
umbral fiber
I think the actual motivation behind the Hunter Dash modification is that they wanted to remove dash+attack as a general principle. which is also why the mirror was changed
long herald
maybe the crit chance just need a little buff i guess ?
umbral fiber
not sure why but in that context the change makes sense
umbral fiber
yes, it would need to be around 20% to compete with other boons' dpm bonuses
green musk
also shield is technically better now
lower knockback makes it easier to dash attack
double wall damage, double dash damage
easily does 100+ damage per combo on base
cosmic egg seems to be new meta pick for blessing for me
keepsake I mean
20% better blessings from chaos
umbral fiber
many of them are already extremely good so not surprised
shield always had a big advantage for newer (or less skilled) players because of the huge bonus to defence. with the improved daedalus upgrade to bull rush, you can now zip across the room almost invincibly forever
green musk
any ya'll had trouble with the new miniboss?
umbral fiber
haven't met them yet
green musk
I find em rather straightforward
gilded sandal
Not too difficult but been running athena so shots arent too scary from the miniboss
green musk
Troves are straight up bad now :<
roguelites should reward playing well
now only 1/3rd of troves are money
I'm often at max health, so the health ones are bad
and then the darkness ones completely pointless
as max darkness
-v-
green musk
I also think using heat should give at least some reward other than purely bragging rights lol.
many of them just make game mechanics more obnoxious
like tanky sponge enemies
i don't mind more damage
somber epoch
it's something to tide you over for right now, i think
we'll probably get a few minor patches before the next big update that addresses some of thse things
umbral fiber
yeah it's just to keep people busy
drifting hemlock
heat?
green musk
i'll be kept busy trying to make op cast builds
heat is a new resource, lets you make the gaame harder
somber epoch
wizard zaggy
umbral fiber
as for reward - it's tough. what do you give someone as a reward in a mechanic whose point is to add variety when you've collected all rewards?
drifting hemlock
oh the skulls?
gilded sandal
Honestly, the artemis dash boon change makes casts even more powerful
somber epoch
@umbral fiber secret cutscenes, ez
gilded sandal
Those occassional 1k hits goodness
elfin spindle
damm just one shotted hydra hahaha
gilded sandal
Oh man the 6 way from aphrodite completely forgot about that
umbral fiber
cutscenes etc take a lot of effort to produce so you can't dish out a lot of them. dialogue would be an option, but wouldn't really feel like much either
green musk
you can break armor and hit health with one cast
dreamy jackal
Is there any point to this pact if punishment? Other than making the game harder
frosty pier
Hmm you can deflect hydra how
frosty pier
yup
somber epoch
athena dash now has meaning
dreamy jackal
Yeah, and if you fast enough you can destroy the projectiles while it waiting to be fired
green musk
i always stick close to the head
wispy moon
Does everyone else have the new update?
drifting hemlock
Chaos god boi seems OP
somber epoch
they are pretty neat, it seems
drifting hemlock
2+ casts and in turn i take 400% damage from traps in the next 4 rooms... I have never taken dmg from a trap so far...
ez pez!
frosty pier
It's more fun then you fave halved or -80% movement
....with a sword and only attack buff
drifting hemlock
Is there anything new to use darkness on btw?
frosty pier
Nope
analog crystal
Only converting for heat at the shop place
frosty pier
Spice then?)))
rustic field
H E A T
drifting hemlock
I found a skeleton key. Cool!
I found Ambrosia. How Greek!
I found.... Heat?
analog crystal
It should be called "pain"
drifting hemlock
I dont know, i just dont feel like the name fits at all
analog crystal
Nah I agree
rustic field
i think its just the two elements that have been there since the beginning of time
frosty pier
Well Z calls it blood of the underworld
rustic field
darkness and heat
cold cave
woah
frosty pier
Connects
drifting hemlock
Shop prices reduced but gold gain is the same?
Did the patch just buff everything or is it just me?
frosty pier
There's dash of artemis nerfed to the ground
rustic field
well i think they buffed everything so you can adjust your experience with the pact
make it as difficult as you want
cold cave
ive seen people complaining about the new artemis crit buffs cause theyre weaker now but i think they were (maybe) supposed to be paired with the crit damage upgrade
crisp girder
guys is it me or the chaos powers r a bit buggy ?
cold cave
131% on top of the extra 200%
drifting hemlock
Well if artemis dash is the only nerf and everything else is buffed i feel its still too ez
cold cave
thats uhh Powerful
frosty pier
How Scar?
analog crystal
Basically 4x damage on crit holy heck
drifting hemlock
And adding a diff modifier isnt justification for making everyone buffed baseline
crisp girder
i picked up a power up from the chaos that was 3 rounds with lowered speed by 41%
drifting hemlock
Maybe thats just me and my masochism talking from my bloodborne days
rustic field
has anyone tried the sword upgrade that makes your attacks crit after you Q?
crisp girder
after the 3 rounds that was supposed to change to 19% dmg
rustic field
its pretty powerfull
crisp girder
but
simple folio
I feel like there should be some sort of incentive to use heat
rustic field
i got the athena up for Q so i could actually use it without dying
simple folio
challange for the sake of challenge is not enough for me
crisp girder
my avg dmg went from 40 to 38-39
frosty pier
woah, that's bad
crisp girder
yep
analog crystal
@rustic field I forgot there were still guaranteed crit stuff still in the game holy heck
cold cave
i think the crit damage buff is additive not multiplicative to the 200% but still
331% crit damage is quite a lot
crisp girder
did they change the scaling of enemies ?
cause this would be the only reasson that would make sense
frosty pier
I think not?
crisp girder
then the +19% dmg is not right and the system sees it like a -19% dmg
drifting hemlock
Nope enemies seem to have the same amount of hp
crisp girder
wich is around 1-2 dmg per hit is not that much but its sad if it actually bugged
drifting hemlock
259 dmg cast before Meg... this is gonna be a breeze run lol
sweet terrace
So is the pact of punishment supposed to give you more darkness by making things more difficult?
It's unclear
analog crystal
@drifting hemlock try to get a blood gate and get like +90% on casts holy heck
crisp girder
also everytime i kill a boss or a miniboss room zagreus model is stucked in an attack move until the next room/attack
drifting hemlock
20 sec meg kill...
crisp girder
i have to say tho the new miniboss is a nc touch
drifting hemlock
new miniboss? 😮
cold cave
i hate pests so damn much
crisp girder
giant*
rustic field
one thing with the medusa head tho
it keeps going over the lava
which is VERY BAD if you have the sword
crisp girder
it shoots 5-7 bolders that make u stone and is acompanied by a statue that tries to crash u
its in the same lvl as the hydra
ye that is true
drifting hemlock
It annoys my eye so much that the artemis keepsake says "ArthemisTrait_Inactive_Tray"
rustic field
i love the hydra flavor
crisp girder
a lot of flying enemies felt wierd
rustic field
i mean medusa
i like getting smushed by a stone cause i AM a stone i little bit less
drifting hemlock
The new hydra is too easy, doesnt feel like the smaller heads have more health but they got an armor bar and the projectiles is destructible now
arctic venture
holy crap the skull earring levels up...... really slowly
crisp girder
for some reasson almost every flying enemy i saw in my last runs go on top of the lava in the far corners of my screen
arctic venture
it went from 120% damage to 123%
now I have 75 more encounters before I get to 126%?
rose pawn
Haha my friend already just went outside the map
green musk
The worst chaos debuff is
cold cave
1 health.. nice
crisp girder
i saw that but the reward wasnt worth it
guys did anyone else happent to have problems with flying enemies in asphodel?
little grotto
i already made these comments im sending right now i just wanted to divide them to 3 pieces
green musk
i had it
errant narwhal
green musk
but I had shield
analog crystal
Oh I see my bad
crisp girder
like the enemies run to the furthest cornrers of the screen ?
green musk
and sent me the survive for 55 seconds
:^)
so I almost died
because bull rush isn't great mobility
then I got a 73% damage buff
awww yeee
elfin spindle
yeah just got a 80% damage buff for my aready lv 5 epic cast
crisp girder
guys does anyone know what i have to do to be able to send a messege in the feedback section of the discored ?
elfin spindle
it was overkill
rich lantern
@crisp girder Please read the pinned messages in there, that will explain it 😄
green musk
aphrodite cast seems to have the best utility and damage potential this update
piercing, and breaks past armor
rustic field
did they remove the mirror upgrade that deals more dmg after dash?
errant narwhal
yes
green musk
I don't like the cast buffs except for aphrodite
it feels like ranged play is rewarded
which is a shame
solar fiber
feels like cast is a little op now
elfin spindle
I like chaos though
elfin spindle
I would probably don´t know how to play without 3 dashes
cold cave
7 attempts
cold cave
and yeah playing with only 1 dash is miserable
sweet terrace
So does pact of punishment give any rewards or just make runs entirely harder?
white oxide
I actually hate the sword I dont get how other people make it work
seems so hard to avoid damage
white oxide
my only wins with it are with the Smash boon
elfin spindle
and never touched it again
eager phoenix
@pulsar loom thanks, I`ll try it too.
green musk
I can win with any weapon, it takes a bit of practice
white oxide
people seem to make it work, and I saw people who thought shield and pre-patch bow sucked, so maybe im missing something
green musk
varantha is probably easiest, as you can keep your distance easily
drifting hemlock
My cast deals 942 dmg.....
green musk
or just go any weapon and spam cast
long herald
i think the best change this patch is the blood gates really well done from the people working on the game
drifting hemlock
For reference the hydra has 8000 health...
white oxide
I guess I havent tried many cast builds either
green musk
cosmic eggu is my new bae
weak frost
casts are op with this patch
analog crystal
I've given Chaos 3 ambrosia, and can't give anymore even though 5 hearts are unlocked is anyone else getting this problem?
analog crystal
Heckk, have you reported it?
tough echo
Freeaking Onions!
still pewter
wow. just had a blood gate on the first room. like, the one below your window
is this a thing?
turbid needle
Hey guys! Love the patch, but I really don't get what these burning skulls are for
I didn't find an explanation either, maybe I'm just blind
still pewter
you'll find out once you beat the game
turbid needle
Ah thanks, I did before the patch, but not after :]
still pewter
if you have already, you gotta do a lil sth in your room
turbid needle
Ah I see! Thank you :]
still pewter
oh check your room
still pewter
sneaky hades at it again, messing with zag's room while he's gone
pastel jolt
hey, can i ask a quick favour of people? if/when you bump into chaos, would people mind sending me a screenshot of the boons they're offering?
analog crystal
I've been sending them to Kimo but you 2 are working together right?
cold cave
just did the gorgon miniboss, that was fun
pastel jolt
i think the two 'halves' of the boon are actually randomised, in which case we're going to have to do their boon table some other way
drifting hemlock
I critted for 2197 with my cast....
meager radish
lol
pastel jolt
i can't play the game right now because i can't hold the controller for very long, so i've adopted chaos's page in the meantime ^^
analog crystal
Also I agree, the 1st part of it is named based on the downside and the 2nd part the buff
still pewter
should we pm you sparrow?
pastel jolt
yeah, it threw me for a loop when i looked in the files because i've only bumped into them twice
please!
green musk
just post em here
pastel jolt
no, no, pm-ing them is fine, i'd rather people didn't clog the channel just because i'm curious ^^
still pewter
wait, where are screenshots saved? not at documents>saved games>hades>screenshots?
actually no. using F11 copies them so you can paste them in paint or sth
cold cave
no theyre in screenshots
pastel jolt
Documents\Saved Games\Hades\Screenshots
cold cave
theyre just named differently than the debug ones, so theyre at the top of the list instead of at the bottom
still pewter
you're right it's there
any idea if I can change the folder those screenshots are sent to?
meager radish
hey guys, if I have a bug or some sort, where do I post it in?
south comet
no problem!
drifting hemlock
I assume the "Health works less effectively" debuff goes up to -100% does that mean death defiance doesn't work?
drifting hemlock
I wish the debuffs gave a buff to heat gained
green musk
mhm, looks like the enemy damage one goes up to potentially 500%, if not more
drifting hemlock
Are we allowed to share youtube links in here? Want to show my hydra fight with my 900+dmg cast build 😄
green musk
drifting hemlock
Neat thanks
Did you find out if the 100% health effectiveness did anything to death defiances?
green musk
Fun fact, the most damage you can take in the game right now is being hit by a charmed inferno bomb thrower's inferno bomb at 500% more damage taken via the pact. For 100 damage total at 20x5
the charm effect increases damage by charmed enemies by 50% roughly.
rustic field
did you find this out by dying to it
green musk
What, no.
of course not
I'd never die to an allied bomb
I trust my dear charmed bomber wouldn't hit me!
Like comon now, we all like skelly right?
cold oriole
ok wow new hydra is way easier
@green musk i feel like you could boost that further by being in one of the gods trial rooms so it gets an on hit effect
green musk
... yes
200 damage
with artemis
LET IT BE KNOWN, IF YOU BE A SADIST, run aphrodite, and annoy artemis
cold oriole
metagaming level 100
frigid robin
god the chaos boons are so nice
green musk
they're rather OP
drifting hemlock
From start to mid asphodel i only got 1 boon... Jesus the luck
start tartarus that is
drifting hemlock
just hide behind the pillars :p
pastel jolt
the lack of a wall has made me so much more daring when it comes to those shots
green musk
Just slash the homing boys
ezpez
also I will forever repeat
if you see the hydra retreat to the middle
get close, dash around his head till the shots appear
the curve will make em miss you in certain areas, whilst you can get 100% free hits on the hydra
even destroy most of the shots that way
proud palm
so, first impressions of the new patch. armoured numbskulls are now the worst thing ever in the history of anything to deal with
cast is now kinda op
this is, however, from one run, so doubtless these opinions will change. Still, that new mirror boon makes cast builds good, well that and I swear the bosses had less health
cold oriole
being able to kill the hydra seekers just guts the encounter difficulty
still pewter
they should be essentially the same as before. but now your armor piercing effects help you in hydra
cold oriole
i will say one thing for the armor thats really good though, theyve made armor slaying perks valid for bossing again
@still pewter lol jinx
still pewter
yeah lol 😄
projectiles being destructible does make the fight easier. but we got less cover to kinda counteract that
tawdry sleet
First impressions are things feel a bit slower, a bit easier and I don't think there's enough new yet to pull me back in 😦
Nice additions so far though with the mini-gorgon enemies and new chaos god
green musk
the shots have never been an issue to me
tho, I did dislike how when they did catch you, stunlock
still pewter
shots were not very interesting to begin with. the basic gameplay loop is you take cover and wait. not all that fun. if you're a bit balsy and/or experience, you can juke around the head and get some dmg in while the bolts make the round
cold oriole
i think im gonna grind long enough to unlock all the new stuff for sure
gotta be ready for when contracts actually give a buff
to your rewards
still pewter
I'm not sure if they ever will
green musk
dood
you did not have to sit in cover
you could literally force the hydra to shoot their shots at a bad angle
making all of them miss
it was a free hit gameplay loop
cold oriole
no need to belittle
green musk
still is
still pewter
yeah that's what I said
green musk
it is in stage one
cold oriole
theres no need to be a jerk about it haha
green musk
and useful during heads stgae
green musk
rn just slash the shots
green musk
AOE attacks very strong
still pewter
I just think it makes the experience a bit cooler for new players
green musk
ye
in the meantime, time to slowly practice to try and do no-hit runs, so I can crank up the heat :^)
you can apparently make it go past 500%
numbskulls doing 15 damage
skeletonies 70+
hard holly
At least, it didnt say max
Though you hit diminishing returns
Since most things oneshot you
green musk
or two shot
aint a challenge till numbskulls oneshot ya :^)
imagine
the big oofs fighting numbies
jokes aside, I'd be very scared of brimstones doing 5 damage a tick
simple hemlock
The other day it said the date for the update was in like 5 days, today it says soon. Any idea when it will be?
green musk
since it's possible to get hit by one every now and then
still pewter
update is live
green musk
you'd get chipped down fast
I also think survival rooms will get a lot harder with that handicap
because they spam an unreasonable amount of enemies
anyone ever had the variant with 6 skull-o-mats?
on asphodel
still pewter
yeah got that one once
on a no heat run I think
was pretty cool. I like seeing specific formations
hard holly
Almost got a 500% damage run done
But then I had frame drops in the worst moment
And ate 2 hits I couldve avoided
Which both naturally got rid of a death defy
Im not sure if Ill keep trying, or if Ill just dial it back to 300% and enjoy myself more
tawdry sleet
Time for spear run on new patch
stray radish
skull crushers (? the new pillar enemies) ate like 4 death defies from me q.q
new most hated enemy \o/
hard holly
Yknow, I wonder about them
Can you even avoid damage from them without having 2 dashes?
sage sky
So, not realising how far ahead I was after having entered 3 blood gates, including one that skipped the mini-boss, I just went into the zegara boss fight with a curse that dealt damage to me everytime I dashed... With my dash being my only good source of damage. There goes my win streak 
still pewter
doesnt the dash give you some sort of iframes?
hard holly
Possible
still pewter
I've been having inconsistent experiences, not sure
stray radish
i dont think Chaos cares about iframes
still pewter
hey, can I get your guys' input on the mega gorgonhead?
stray radish
i went into Meg fight with some sort of debuff too, but it wasn't as crippling
still pewter
what do you think of it?
still pewter
I've had 3 runs so far, spear and bow trivialized the fight. had a reaaaaaally rough time with shield
arctic venture
honestly I found the aoe of the land sharks to be way more manageable
cold oriole
i feel like with how bastion rolls worked and with how long you had to let them sit under you
it was just harder to avoid
also the colums can stunlock unlike shark
and you have 3 dashes
drifting hemlock
You can turn the big medusa head into stone with deflect, nice
stray radish
@hushed ledge adding to your feedback, a thought: the game also should at least warn you if you're gonna enter boss chamber with the debuff
hushed ledge
maybe
but in my case I took a 27% increased damage thing, next chamber was the hydra. I was pretty sure it was the hydra next, so I was just dumb, but it shouldn't be able to happen imo
cold oriole
thats just called being a chad
stray radish
@manic ermine i might be wrong but you can spam different button than attack, just gotta spam any button
stable oyster
YOO the new sudden rush is busted as hell
drifting hemlock
To be honest, I think even with maxed out challenge things an Ares special shield build could cheese the run with only hydra being a problem if the health thing negates death defiances
that was my choice of play in my first many runs and i never got hit
stable oyster
I’m doing a + 200% dmg taken run right now, wish me luck
tawdry sleet
Shield run complete
Difficulty has definitely dropped
I really struggled to get just one successful shield run last patch
hard holly
Ares shield special thing is bad as is
But with the challenge things enabled?
Not a chance
Youll get oneshot by everything, while you will not kill them for ages
keen tangle
Well I'm honestly glad for the changes. The way the game was yesterday, I was playing and streaming for 2 to 3 hours a day. Frankly, it was starting to affect work. After playing today for a half hour and seeing the difficulty drop to nothing, I can go back to being productive at work again. I'll check back next patch, but a game without challenge is just not interesting.
stable oyster
If it’s too easy use the new toil system
Meg just hit me for 40 hp with one charge
hard holly
Yeah if it isnt challenging enough, thats what the pact is for
Try playing with 300% damage
Or 500% if you want an impossible task
stable oyster
200 extra is hell
drifting hemlock
Thing is, theres no incentive to crank up the diff by yourself, the game by itself should be hard
errant narwhal
it doesnt really make narrative sense to have an incentive, imo
stable oyster
I know I will have so much fun fine tuning the difficulty to my personal tastes
drifting hemlock
When i saw the game streamed and advertised i saw a top down GoW/DS game, high diff and feels rewarding, it wasnt too hard last patch but semi rewarding and this patch we went from a normal mode to a very easy mode, with an option to make it harder with no incentive... Thats just... Meh
short gazelle
Would be nice if it was risk reward, even if just for some extra % to coin
drifting hemlock
Each to their own of course
hard holly
I do think the pacts need a reward tied to them
keen tangle
With the old difficulty I felt I had something to strive for. With the "opt in to difficulty approach", the narrative doesn't make any sense. "Nobody gets out. You think this is a game? You think I haven't tried?"
Everybody who tries is going to beat this version.
errant narwhal
i guess im bad at this game because im still finding it difficult hahah
short gazelle
Only played through the new patch once but I didnt sense they had dialled back the difficulty all that much, I generally beat Hydra on about 50% of runs because I like to try different builds each time but this time I only managed it because I had 2 legendaries
indigo gulch
asdshf same
hard holly
I mean, you have to keep in mind
This is only the start
The first 2 floors of who knows how many
Dialing them down at this point makes sense
drifting hemlock
My last run i had 5 casts with 900 dmg each, critting for 2000+... Thats gonna have to be one insane scaling from floor 2 to 3 if thats gonna provide even the slightest of challenge in such a run
rustic field
mythogocally
drifting hemlock
Thats just too strong
turbid needle
Found a wall-break. I posted it in discussions, but I guess it may go here(?)
indigo gulch
it's also only like the 2nd month so there's still a lot they probably want to test
indigo gulch
I think for that you could probably use the bug report in-game (even tho i guess it's not technically a bug)
short gazelle
I have a lot of faith in the devs, they have to make mistakes in order to get the balance right and we all know they listen. The new content is at least fun and gives some incentive to keep grinding on.
tawdry sleet
What dash boon are people going for most now?
hard holly
Zeus I guess
turbid needle
I don't know what to call this. I think Zag is screwed though. I can't manage to get back into the map area. <.<
short gazelle
Zeus for me
turbid needle
Nvm, figured it out.
indigo gulch
oh good job!
rich lantern
@turbid needle I think we tracked that down and fixed it for our next patch
stable oyster
It wasn’t mentioned in the patch notes, but now you con only dash out of bull rush if you hit something with it, is this intended or...
turbid needle
drifting hemlock
@rich lantern Are you aware the boon keepsakes saying "[Godname]Trait_Inactive_tray" ?
rich lantern
Very aware
drifting hemlock
ahh okay
drifting hemlock
oh i should check that before asking 😄
@rich lantern this isn't anything causing too much trouble but when you're surfing into a new room in Asphodel the "ship" looks really really wierd sailing in, didn't see this on the list
pretty sure this wasnt the case prior to the patch
rich lantern
Definitely F10 bug report the room when it happens! It may be a new room 😃
fossil wing
@drifting hemlock what cast were you using that you were getting 2000 damage crits?
tawdry sleet
Yeah I'd like to know too 👀
drifting hemlock
@rich lantern It's happening in all rooms :/
@fossil wing I posted a youtube link in the "Self promotion" so you can see the build 😄
you see the crit of 2000+ in the clip aswell on the hydra
but it was Artemis'
But I reckon you could get the same numbers with any cast as long as you had the same boons i had 😃
turbid needle
@lofty gyro Naw. It is a hard game. You need patience and rng on your side.
weak frost
just pick a cast boon and win every time
turbid needle
^ That doesn't work for me. D:
untold trellis
Is Flayed Soul offering healing or max life?
drifting hemlock
I've had plenty perfect artemis cast builds
to the point where it feels like the game just offers a lot of artemis' from some random equation when i have her boon or already got 1-2 artemis boons
have her keepsake*
rich lantern
Artemis <3's you
hard holly
If only she was real
errant narwhal
she is :)
hard holly
Anyway, I hope we get some bonus rewards for pacts soon
I need a reason to torture myself with 500% damage enemies
drifting hemlock
I just want enough heat to max out that scroll
vocal tangle
New to the chaos patch. Is infernal pact revertible?
vocal tangle
Thanks. Wanted to ask before setting myself for more torture
abstract glen
Was the keepsake lock thing because people used Charron's thing before buying something, then changed to something else?
drifting hemlock
@rich lantern My old fingers are too slow to react when the boat is sailing in and looking janky 😦 The thing is, it doesnt float slowly onto land, it's like static sliding really awkwardly, in case the people working on it is playing it, is there a way to tell them to look out for it? 😄
hard holly
Moreso using Cerberus to heal
abstract glen
You could do that?
hard holly
Aye
abstract glen
welp
hard holly
So long as you swapped to a different trinket
tawdry sleet
I just selected an Artemis room but got an onion
rich lantern
@drifting hemlock I'll keep an eye out!
tawdry sleet
is that a new random punishment?
hard holly
If you fail the no hit challenge, yes
turbid needle
No hit challenges I've gotten are insanely difficult. Have yet to complete one. Onion is a real slap in the face also. But, I'm glad it gives me +1 hp, instead of... +0, which would be... hilarious.
lofty gyro
what do you guys usually take from ares?
drifting hemlock
@rich lantern Another one... I'm sorry... And this might only be related to me but, my fastest clear rate on the shield is 16 minutes, but since i got my first clear in an ongoing run from the previous patch it says my fastest run is 1673 minutes and 42 seconds and even with 3 new completions they don't overwrite that 😄
rich lantern
It's because in-progress runs got set to 9999. Some people could have loaded saves that were already at the Hydra once the new patch hit, and gotten like a 2 min clear. This was done intentionally to level the playing field. We also have an issue where they aren't updating properly that should be fixed next patch (like tomorrow)
drifting hemlock
Ahh okay so theres a meaning to the madness, cool!
tawdry sleet
I just hit a 16 min run on my first spear attempt 😄
drifting hemlock
@tawdry sleet damn, gj!
stable oyster
artemis>all
drifting hemlock
Tried to speedrun, 11 minutes
I do think we have to adress the issue of getting too many boons... I have 1 half visible and 2 you cant see
oh and grats @arctic current ! 😄
cedar musk
oh nice job!!!
zealous spade
cedar musk
on a similar (but less impressive) note i finally survived the asphodel boat today
simple hemlock
I haven't cleared once yet, I'm just bad at this game
drifting hemlock
You can easily convince me that the boat is harder than the hydra, grats funk! 😄
Teleadan it all comes with practice!
simple hemlock
I've got to about 10% on the hydra
and he killed me
The god based keepsakes just seem underpowered
drifting hemlock
I've used god based keepsakes for my last 50 runs, only used skull earring on my first 10 and then swapped
cedar musk
i just use spike collar every time lmao
simple hemlock
Why would I pick any of them for a chance to get maybe a better boon if I'm lucky enough to come across it vs 130% damage extra 100% of the time
drifting hemlock
you only have the dmg boost if you're below a certain threshhold
simple hemlock
Nope, not the one I'm on about
drifting hemlock
oh the distance one then?
simple hemlock
Yeah
drifting hemlock
I feel its janky ... "Distant foes" is so... i dont know what "distant" is...
arctic current
i wana say what they did in the hyra room but that ould be spoilers
drifting hemlock
@arctic current boss spoilers are okay in here 😃
simple hemlock
With bow or shield Y
arctic current
then they took out the 2 walls
hard holly
God based keepsakes are the best one to start out with
arctic current
and made it 4 thin collums
simple hemlock
Why? Unovven?
hard holly
Since you really want a good attack or special increasing boon to start out with
And all other ones are pointless in Tartarus
In Tartarus you swap now because Artemis is no longer busted
drifting hemlock
The chance of getting a good start and steamrolling the rest outweighs the "small" dmg boost from the other one
simple hemlock
130% isn't small
drifting hemlock
Depends how much damage you have to add to that
weak frost
130% dmg in the first stage is useless
cedar musk
130% just means an extra 30%
simple hemlock
Why?
hard holly
Yup
drifting hemlock
If i have artemis boon and get epic true shot i can one shot everyone in tartarus
simple hemlock
Wait what?
hard holly
Because the first stage is laughably easy anyway
simple hemlock
It's not an extra 130%?
cedar musk
no
simple hemlock
Well then
cedar musk
jdsfkldsfsd
drifting hemlock
Always check if it says "130" or "+130"
hard holly
Yup
cedar musk
i think theres been feedback that its confusing if a bonus is total damage or additional damage
hard holly
Im not even sure its multiplicative
simple hemlock
Well I've played the entire game with it, thinking it's the best by a LONGGGG
Way
I feel stupid now
weak frost
i think it's pretty good for after first stage
drifting hemlock
You should focus on learning enemy movesets, once you got them down perfectly it doesnt matter if you have a little extra damage, if you know their moves, the extra time and survivability will be the window for extra damage
weak frost
you can play most of the game under 40% quite easily
drifting hemlock
I tried to say that in a smart way but it came out chunky..
@weak frost not the keepsake we're on, i thought so too at first 😄
simple hemlock
I'm glad they introduced a way to make ambrosia and keys useful once all gifts and dark mirror stuff is unlocked
I hope they will make ambrosias give better boons moving forward... either each time you give a god one it increases maybe 1%? up to a cap of an extra 5-10%, or just gives you a better chance per each time you give an ambrosia for that instance of the boon
Or would that overpower the boons
cedar musk
lmao cowards not just giving all of ur ambrosia to dusa
drifting hemlock
she wont take more 😦
weak frost
cerberus probably final boss
cedar musk
if she is id uninstall i would never lay a finger on her
simple hemlock
I heard that meg tells dusa you kissed her and dusa rages at you
cedar musk
thats the cutest thing ive ever heard
simple hemlock
So which gods give good boons btw? I'm 1 star on all their keepsakes atm, was wondering which to try for
cold oriole
i would say its up to preference
stable oyster
Artemis
cold oriole
aside from aphrodite
cedar musk
yeah ^
cold oriole
all of the other gods have very strong builds
stable oyster
I think aphro is underrated
cedar musk
aphrodite defo isnt bad
stable oyster
50% reduction is a lot
drifting hemlock
I wonder how many skulls you need to max out the scroll
cedar musk
yeah if youre getting hit
stable oyster
Think of it as a bit like + 100% hp
cedar musk
i dont mean that in like a 'git gud' way i just mean like. youd prob wanna prioritize dealing with enemies faster and avoiding damage rather than reducing and recovering from getting hit
drifting hemlock
Thats why i dislike the "weak" thing, surviving damage is a poor strat when you could avoid damage instead
simple hemlock
I don't really like artemis boons... They seem weak so far in comparison to others. Which boon is it on artemis you guys all think is great
drifting hemlock
True shot
cedar musk
the free crits after dashing is just rly good if ur using a weapon that does a lot of single shot damage (like bow). i dont rly use her that much but i think i get why shes good
cold oriole
esp with the new mirror item that boosts your damage by 50%
drifting hemlock
True shot, the drop chance, the crit chance, extra ammo
everything in there is just best potential
cedar musk
actually do you get the crits after dashing on bow?
drifting hemlock
beast*
cold oriole
yes
the charge time of bow reduces after a dash
so you have no issue getting the shot off within a second
simple hemlock
Posiden or Zeus seem the best IMO, but I haven't beaten the game yet, so I'm not really in a great position to comment.
stable oyster
@cedar musk yea but if you aren’t getting hit you already won
cedar musk
i dont rly like zeus that much tbh
drifting hemlock
Poseidon is meh but useful for his push and oceans bounty, zeus dash is pretty nuts but other than that they're quite meh
cold oriole
esp curse of agony with the hammer upgrade that makes your sword q large
simple hemlock
I was about to say that @cold oriole ... I had daedelus hammer which makes your arrows shoot instantly and curse of agony at about 100... it was awesome
cold oriole
yeah thats the build i first beat hydra with
simple hemlock
Its what I almost did
cold oriole
i think i got really lucky on poms that run... and an epic boon
so i had nearly 200 damage
cold oriole
the epic boon puts it over 60 i think
generally speaking once i get an attack boon the only other boon ill prioritize over poms are artemis and zeus
for cast and dash respectively
drifting hemlock
I've done my last three runs with nothing but Ares special on the shield, the auto aiming is sleeper OP
cold oriole
the seeking artemis cast is beastly with boiling blood, whatver you hit is pretty much marked for death lol
my one beef with boiling blood is that i used to love the ares cast and now i feel like im getting heavily penalized for taking it
drifting hemlock
hm what is boiling blood?
cold oriole
well, 50
drifting hemlock
Oh
eager crater
Y_Y I miss old Artemis, her way of speaking, images, etc. Anyone else share in this?
cold oriole
ok yeah @simple hemlock i just rolled an epic curse of agony its 82 damage base
thats nuts
also i just got a blood gate in the very first chamber 0.o this run is stacked
worn dawn
simple hemlock
Blood gate?
cold oriole
the star gates you pay hp to enter
simple hemlock
But they only contain chaos now right?
eager crater
Certainly more... peppy. I believe it was her more reserved demeanor last time. Perhaps a Hestia will be added in later that may suffice this.
simple hemlock
Chaos I don't like, only lasts for like 3 rounds and its more of a hindrance than help
simple hemlock
The buff is?
rain axle
I think they need to make the chaos buffs more clear. I was avoiding attacking for 5 straight rooms before I discovered the -3 hp per attack is for 3 rooms but the buff stays for your run
cold oriole
yes
simple hemlock
I thought the buff vanished
cold oriole
the buff is your reward
simple hemlock
Oh
cold oriole
you dont even get it until you wait the debuff out
simple hemlock
I thought it vanishes
cold oriole
nah
untold trellis
You don't get the buff til after the 3 rooms
rain axle
no no no chaos buff is for the rest of the run not 3 runs the negative effect is for 3 rooms
vocal tangle
Hm... Just walked out of the map
simple hemlock
Oh I'll check him out more then
cold oriole
*them
rain axle
but....it was confusing because the buff wouldn't go away when I moved into the next room so I thought the negative effect was still in play
no going to lie.....my first run after having a 100% completion rate for 3 weeks I died on hydra
I lost 3 death defy on those pillars
in previous rooms
I got one of those survive rooms and had 5-7 of those things on me at all times with armor ghost
just couldn't dodge it all
simple hemlock
I just failed a pom evade mission because I only got hit once. I dodged onto a tap
trap
drifting hemlock
Beat hydra with only the shield special, bring the sadism runs!
cold oriole
i think ive stumbled into a really good sword strat
ares on the attack, athena on the spec
you tickle them with an attack then send them flying away to die somewhere else where they cant hit back
drifting hemlock
thats what im doing with the shield special
its a little less dmg from the ares boon but you dont have to be anywhere near the action
plus it destroys projectiles
autumn tapir
for a true sadism run, use only the sword special without taking boons that upgrade your special
cold oriole
yeah thats gonna be a no from me dawg
drifting hemlock
By sadism i meant a maxed out scroll 😛
2 blood gates in a row
neither had anything good ..
simple hemlock
I'm not sure I get the draw of the sword over the other weapons
drifting hemlock
the draw?
dusky drum
yes
simple hemlock
and has range
dusky drum
it is
drifting hemlock
Ah, it's all about playstyle
dusky drum
in my opinion sword is the worst unless you have flurry
drifting hemlock
I had a world splitter run dealing 600+ damage per hit with the sword before this patch
dusky drum
and i had spear that did like 800 per
drifting hemlock
but i guess you cant do that with the new artemis dash anymore so
dusky drum
and a bow that did 800
hard holly
Sword is actually a solid weapon
dusky drum
they balanced the game too well
worthy dust
God this game is so good
dusky drum
yea
dusky drum
worldsplitter is too slow for me
hard holly
And even if you get neither, it's good enough baseline
simple hemlock
If the sword special didn't lock you in place, that would be more balanced than in its current state
harsh goblet
Sword with chop attack is still stronger than other
simple hemlock
Yeah, I would get it, if it did more damage than spear
Spear, bow, and shield seem to do more base damage, with less risk, for attack, and all 3 of the others have range on their special that doesn't lock your movement
hard holly
Shield is probably weaker than sword now actually
dusky drum
i havent used
hard holly
Since dash attacks don't have extra damage
dusky drum
sadly
hard holly
Shield does less damage, and its special is completely useless, whereas swords has some utlity
worthy dust
First run back was with the shield. Special + ares curse carried me through the hydra
So ymmv
dusky drum
shield i think needs crowd control so like zeus cast, zeus florish, and what not is really helpful
hard holly
Nah, shield just needs a bit of damage
simple hemlock
Shield special only would work with ares if you has daedelus single bounce return. Otherwise the time between hits is too much
hard holly
It relied heavily on quick temper
And unlike bow wasn't busted enough to survive it's removal
dusky drum
i just used cast builds
drifting hemlock
Wow i feel scammed! I got 2 blood gates, in the first one i would get 29% chance of getting rare or better, in the next one i got another one saying 30% or better... once i cleared both it just says "Lv 2: Gives 29% chance of rare or better" 😦 Wheres my 59% ?!
hard holly
Shield special is just bad in general
simple hemlock
Really?
hard holly
It's a trap
hard holly
Not even remotely
dusky drum
in asphodel it can go to the abyss and take forever to come back
hard holly
It does pathetic damage
dusky drum
yea
hard holly
And it's slow as all hell
simple hemlock
On its own, yeah
drifting hemlock
Shield special is only good if you have Ares special, other than that its so weak
simple hemlock
Shield special with multiple bounce and zeus chain lightning nukes a room
simple hemlock
Or at least I found that
hard holly
Because you do more damage if you just get Athena's strike boon and do dash doubletap
simple hemlock
I think a weapon with a chain grapple would be cool
Like some gauntlets
With a throwable grapple that yanks the enemy toward you
rain axle
Yo I just got zeus cast up 2k damage a hit
rain axle
epic cast up to lvl 3, artemis dash 25% crit, and chaos 91% damage
dusky drum
wow
drifting hemlock
then its per crit not per hit 😛 Just saying
hard holly
Wait, chaos is multiplicative?
drifting hemlock
Shield makes them un-oneshottable no?
dusky drum
isnt it impossible to 1 shot armored anymore
since if it would break shield it only does that
drifting hemlock
over 700 but the crit dealt over 2k? math doesnt check out
rain axle
they could have bounced 1 shot armor back to target
dusky drum
but thats 2 hits
forest marsh
I have to say, Ares curse damage is more advantageous now because it still lets you "one shot" armoured enemies
drifting hemlock
you sure?
dusky drum
and if you hover an artemis boon that gives crit, it says chance to deal x3
rain axle
not going to lie I worked for that chaos buff that was a set up
3 rounds of -50% move speed immediately went into a survivor room and had to do another on the 3rd room
dusky drum
they made chaos rooms much more of a gamble unless you have maxed chthonic vitality
then it tarturus you can only use like 2 hp
rain axle
the -hp buffs are not really a big deal honestly
-50% move speed is rough
I am seeing a total number of boons being reduced I used to get at least 6 per run now barely 3
drifting hemlock
I had 14 in a previous run
Felt good
Currently got 9 and just entered double boon room
abstract glen
Does the Hydra seem somewhat easier now?, or am I just getting better?
forest marsh
Yeah, it is
dusky drum
your getting better
forest marsh
Meg and Hydra both have less HP I think
abstract glen
Great Answers
dusky drum
i see it as slightly harder and easier
abstract glen
Hydra Lazers can no longer stagger you like they did
drifting hemlock
You can chunk more health away before it becomes impervious (Still same amount of phases) and you can destroy the bullets
its easier
frozen locust
Who gives the new keepsake
abstract glen
Chaos
drifting hemlock
Chaoes, from blood gates
abstract glen
Go to a Bloodgate
forest marsh
Also you can deflect the Hydra projectiles which is so very nice
dusky drum
having less protection and the hp pots are more riskey but you have soo much more room, and you can reflect the projectiles now
abstract glen
Cool
frozen locust
And these ranks go up just by equiping them more often?
drifting hemlock
Every room counts as an encounter yes