anyone finding the same?
#h1-builds-and-combat
woeful stirrup
Don't know, I usually only get one group of pots at most.
green musk
Skull pots have a random chance to drop 1 gold each
thorny current
if you break the yellow stone pillars in asphodel they sometimes drop gold
woeful stirrup
It's always fun when you're missing 2 gold in a shop and just break all of Charon's pots to try and get them.
green musk
then the RNG only gives you 1 gold
HA
Charon you bastard, I'm on 1 / 125 hp
can't you spare a sammich
pls
grand patrol
charon: pay up
woeful stirrup
Sorry man, if you didn't want me to break them, you should have given me a discount. I could even use a loan and pay it back next run, I really want both the pom and the kebab.
drifting hemlock
Charon: Huuuuurrgghghhhgh
grand patrol
charon: you think im sisyphus or somethin?
somber epoch
did someone suggest a shop reroll in #hades-feedback before it closed?
woeful stirrup
Sisyphus is the best.
thorny current
when you give charon ambrosia and you find him 3 rooms after reselling it for 300 mah boi
grand patrol
i HOOOOPE we get sisy sprite this patch
frosty pier
xD
tulip timber
I'd appreciate clearer indication on what has gold in it. Breaking down every pillar in asphodel is an unfun chore.
woeful stirrup
How would you handle a shop reroll? Pay 50 gold to reroll? Or get a use out of your darkness/keys for that?
grand patrol
JHFHJFJJHFJ "I- IS THAT THE SAME AMBROSIA"
somber epoch
probably gold to reroll
green musk
when you're full hp
somber epoch
maybe you start each run with one free reroll
thorny current
charon lowkey running underworld contraband
woeful stirrup
They'll need to find a way to make us spend those keys and that darkness, though.
green musk
but charon offers you ambrosia, food and darkness
proud storm
amazon charon
tulip timber
Shoppers who bought ARES BOON also bought POMEGRANATE.
woeful stirrup
Well, to be fair, the only bad thing about fountain rooms is you don't get gold.
proud storm
one in a thousand keys you pick up in the game opens hades' room
green musk
Shoppers damand you stock just POMEGRANATES
tulip timber
You buy something from the shop and see popup ads for that item on pillars through the rest of your run.
green musk
Imagine if you could buy three poms each shop
imagine getting 9 poms from just charon
:^)
thorny current
btw i think they should redesign the food icon. Mcdonald food doesnt really fit with the amazing theme of this game
woeful stirrup
Most poms I've had in a run was 9. Only saw two boons in that run though.
I love that it's just junk food.
pastel jolt
it's not mcdonalds food
tulip timber
Your codex lets you access VisageTome, the ancient predecessor to facebook, and you can chat to the Gods whom you've gotten boons from.
pastel jolt
somber epoch
food sprites are hard
thorny current
its kebab xD with fried potatoes
woeful stirrup
It's a freaking delicious doner kebab.
frosty pier
Shwarma!
pastel jolt
tulip timber
Lamb is so good.
somber epoch
ok but then why are there gyros in hades
frosty pier
God there is so many names for shwarma
pastel jolt
because greek
scarlet dagger
god i want a gyro
woeful stirrup
Speaking of which, I have a doner kebab to eat.
tulip timber
Of course there are a lot of names for it. It doesn't take much creativity to put things inside of flatbread.
woeful stirrup
@pastel jolt You just blew my mind, didn't even realize until you said it.
pastel jolt
man next time i go to the chippy i'm getting a kebab wrap
somber epoch
but sparrow why is there food in the underworld
pastel jolt
because why not
tulip timber
Enchanted Death Gyros.
woeful stirrup
Just because you're dead doesn't mean you don't want good eating.
frosty pier
STRAIGHT TO HELL
tulip timber
We are not discussing how Zag poops.
woeful stirrup
It becomes a shade.
icy edge
Who the hell calls it a gyro?
woeful stirrup
Elysium is full of kebab shades.
icy edge
Like, every language i saw it in calls it either kebab or gyros
green musk
THIS IS SOME EXTREME FOOD GAMEPLAY DISCUSSION
tulip timber
Depends on the national background of the shop you're buying it from.
And not much elase.
Maybe the type of sauce.
@green musk We're going nuts over the lack of patch notes.
green musk
yes
cedar ice
Can somebody explain to me how Trial of gods rooms work?
Like, sometimes I get boons of both gods and sometimes only one
somber epoch
trial of the gods works like this
you get a choice of two boons
the one you don't pick sends minions to fight you with various buffs based on the god
when you clear the room, you get the boon you didn't pick at first
cedar ice
Okey, thanks
tulip timber
Yeah, you shouldn't be able to leave without picking up the second.
But I'm not sure I've tried.
Do not piss off Athena.
green musk
Athena ain't that bad
artemis is more annoying
dashing enemies that crit after a dash
somber epoch
yeah, because if you've got a good build it doesn't matter that enemies just sometimes don't take damage
woeful stirrup
Nah, Artemis is easy.
Ares is awful.
Those blades spawning randomly, sometimes even on you.
pastel jolt
eh, ares was manageable the one time i got him in a trial
green musk
Ares blades only spawn where enemies spawn
so stay away from enemy spawns
I also think they never spawn where there isn't an enemy
woeful stirrup
I'm pretty sure there weren't any enemies spawning where I got wrecked. Might have been mistaken, though.
tulip timber
I dunno, I find Athena most annoying. Nothing is unmanageable, but invulnerability is gross.
green musk
Game can be a cluster...fudge at times?
Blue boys hardest enemies ever
The raft always spawns with blue boys, bloodless, and both skeleton types
same ratio of blue boys .
1 - 2 - 3
as the waves progress
tulip timber
Yup. Raft is one of the places shield special really shines, because it can't really get away from you like the rest of Asphodel.
green musk
The best weapon for raft is stygius
tulip timber
Aphro cast is also really good there cause it's so tightly packed.
green musk
one button to make them get off your lawn.
woeful stirrup
Depending on your build, hellboat can be easy as pie or really awful. I find it rather easy with spear, with Poseidon cast or with any kind of Athena deflect.
tulip timber
Rose Quartz Pellets of Pure Love.
opaque lagoon
If there is one thing i would want, I would want aprodites legendary to be less useless (maybe slow effect on weak?), or have mob specific interactions at least, like if i convert a shielder, it should give me shields not the mobs... while he is, erm, seduced.
green musk
I wonder
will they recover life drinker?
It was so broken, wondering if it'll stay outright removed lol
icy edge
Maybe make it much harder to proc
green musk
@opaque lagoon Does it charm mobs with the cast or?
Challenge run : Just take aphrodite blessings
watch as you do no damage: ^)
flint lynx
wot?
tough tulip
Aphrodite is great, what are you talking about
even after nerfs
and before nerfs it was top tier at raw damage
green musk
aphrodite isn't that good for damage.
tough tulip
it is though
green musk
you just take less damage
tough tulip
you just take the boons that make you do more damage
and you take the boon that makes you do more damage to weakened foes
that can allow for insane damage
tough tulip
and modifiers are multiplicative, so with a few upgrades that stuff can go insane
and with rare/epic it's obviously even better
now it's not even close to as strong as it used to be though
I think it was around +50% to weakened in the beginning
and all her damage modifiers were 100% and higher on special and attack and such
if you got them in epic
aphrodite is still strong for a raw damage build though
dunno why anybody would think otherwise
somber epoch
you're almost always a glass cannon, anyway
i wish you could be either a bit beefier or there was some way to get a full heal
woeful stirrup
That's how most skill-based rogue-likes work. Binding of Isaac, Wizard of Legend, Enter the Gungeon: any hit you take is really bad. What matters is dodging and damage, there's no need for defence.
somber epoch
well i mean
in Wizard and BoI there are both ways to trivialize damage
and/or heal absurd amounts
I haven't played Gungeon so I can't speak to it
green musk
You can break the game easy
tough tulip
I miss old BoI where there was no cap on soul hearts
green musk
gungeon is a more balanced
tough tulip
that was a spicy meme
icy edge
Unrelated to the channel but Hades does random way better than isaax
Also way better aesthetics
Not talking about graphics ofc
somber epoch
Well, I guess it's not that off topic to talk about the way Isaac plays in comparison
woeful stirrup
As Ketrai said, that's mostly because BoI and WoL are awfully unbalanced. Especially Binding of Isaac. At high levels, this game is just reset, reset, reset until you get a great starter item and then destroy everything.
It seems that with Hades, Supergiant wants to make every kind of playstyle balanced.
icy edge
Which is the right way to go about game design in general
woeful stirrup
Most builds are at least viable, and when a build seems overpowered, they nerf it.
languid sapphire
Jumping in here, I have been looking at the way you guys play and it’s all super different from my style, so it’s cool that we all beat the game different ways. (I only use Coronacht and usually go Artemis for crits)
green musk
low damage just means it takes longer
woeful stirrup
Yeah, I dislike Binding of Isaac. Too RNG-dependant. Sure, you can win with any build, but there are some really overpowered builds that you simply cannot lose with.
hard holly
Eh, from what Ive heard, Isaacs random has more variety
pastel jolt
i mean of course it does, it has like a thousand items or something
icy edge
Yeah but it isnt really variety when like 10 items give the same effect of health up
pastel jolt
also true
woeful stirrup
I do wonder how Hades will be with more content though. Will they add more gods, more boons? Is not very RNG dependant right now because you can pretty often force a build.
icy edge
You dont have to, though
woeful stirrup
But if they add more gods or more boons per gods, the randomness might screw you more often.
languid sapphire
Forcing a build is kind of a mechanic though, with the whole keepsakes that force a certain god...
hard holly
Even if you dont force a build
icy edge
Which, just to reiterate, is a brilliant addition to a rogue lite - just enough control and tradeoff
hard holly
If you play sword and focus on attack, unless you get flurry or splitter, its always the same
tough tulip
hopefully with more gods each time you meet one there's at least 1 non-excluding boon to pick
so that you aren't forced to pick a boon for attack/special/dash etc
which would exclude a better option later
hard holly
Because only hammer upgrade really change how your weapon works
tough tulip
or that
I still don't understand the hammer fully
I've had two hammers in a run like twice
I thought that would be impossible
languid sapphire
I would understand if they never allow the Attack ones to stack. But maybe the Special or Dashes.
hard holly
That shouldnt be possible
woeful stirrup
It might be good to give a few more boons to some gods, though. I've had a time where Ares only gave me one possible boon. Pretty disappointing.
tough tulip
special is dangerous
hard holly
Are you sure about it?
tough tulip
yes for sure
may have been on a run started before a patch and continued later though
hard holly
Possible that you had a run with the upgrade that got removed
tough tulip
anyway as I was saying, special is dangerous
if you've played a bow special run you'd know
hard holly
Spear Special, moreso
tough tulip
that too
so stacking boons on them would not be healthy I think
later pickups would have to have no modifiers, and only the effect
green musk
Does seem that aphrodite's extra damage boon stacks harder than other buffs
like with the skull earring
icy edge
I find it slow and clunky compared to the other two
green musk
Okay that's stupid
charmed skeleton bombers deal 20 damage on bomb, and it can friendly-fire
somber epoch
charm op op
quartz frost
Anyone else had as much fun with the Deflect Bow Special with 100% extra arrows upgrade?
tough tulip
ye I love that combo
quartz frost
I remember killing Hydra with it super quick
Wait for the attack delay and just unload up front
midnight cliff
Ares curse after attack is broken when you upgrade it 7x lol
quartz frost
Lol whut
tough tulip
I'm pretty sure most boons are broken when upgraded 7 times
midnight cliff
True, went with the shield and after every throw it did about 170 damage curse
quartz frost
You get the bonus bounce damage too?
midnight cliff
sword with 400% damage with curse is ez mode to tbh so far
spear is somewhat difficult so far
quartz frost
With unlimited swipes
tough tulip
spear is insane once you have the mirror upgrades
quartz frost
Spear is easy if you get armor pierce
midnight cliff
went for about 11 runs so far
green musk
Nono
quartz frost
I have 2 wins on each weapon so far
midnight cliff
took 4 for the first win with sword 3 with bow and 1 with shield lol
green musk
what you do with spear is
charge up
then dash
it unleashes the charge where you dash
green musk
you can hit 1000 base damage with attack stacking
quartz frost
That sounds broken and bugged lol
midnight cliff
🌈 The more you know :rainbow :
opaque lagoon
@green musk It charmes mobs with weak on them, 10% chance or smth (aprodite convo)
green musk
dash to release where you dash
tough tulip
I don't see why it sounds bugged
midnight cliff
Ruined!
quartz frost
Bow doesnt hit multiple things thougj
green musk
It's 10% chance ye
and the charmed mobs can still hurt you
they also seem to gain 50% more damage
bow has piercing
quartz frost
Only with upgrade
tough tulip
yeah bow has been patched to pierce baseline
green musk
it's on base since 18th of feb
tough tulip
a while ago
quartz frost
Oh well then I missed that
tough tulip
cause yeah, otherwise it felt awful
but now it's amazing
my easiest runs have all been on bow
midnight cliff
choices for the bow was always 1 or the other
you have no charge time for bow and 1 other that was good
quartz frost
I always picked 100% arrow special or armor pierce
tough tulip
triple shot is the good stuff
quartz frost
Generally arrow special
midnight cliff
never went for q wit that weapon lol
tough tulip
but ye double special is amazing
that's how I played mostly after they nerfed day0 shield
quartz frost
Arrow Special with the right boon is instakill on armored guys
quartz frost
True
drifting hemlock
Odin you should try 400% dmg on sword with dash crit from artemis and a high percentage athena attack, i dealt 600 dmg per swing and the hydra did 0 attacks between phases and the small heads got 2 shot
tough tulip
I grinded out some megaera kills as well and got it down to 23 seconds on a bow special run
quartz frost
You can 1/4th his hp with one volley
tough tulip
ye
midnight cliff
Somehow Artemis and athena are very rare for me
tough tulip
give them gifts
midnight cliff
I did
tough tulip
then just take their keepsakes
drifting hemlock
because you're Odin, you're of norse mythology, you're a heathen to them
tough tulip
yes
quartz frost
Using a keepsake in Tartarus is usually a good idea
tough tulip
the first boon is guaranteed to be of the god you chose the keepsake of
just read the keepsake's descriptions
midnight cliff
Odin is the father of all so my children shouldn't be this unruly Yus!
quartz frost
Then you can change in Asphodel
somber epoch
hm
do you guys think the death defiance keepsake should gain a charge again in asphodel?
quartz frost
Nah
tough tulip
why would you even use that before asphodel
quartz frost
True
tough tulip
and even in asphodel I just take skull earring
midnight cliff
^
tough tulip
unless I want a specific boon
midnight cliff
Or the +25 health
tough tulip
from a specific god
drifting hemlock
I never get to use all my death defiances so
quartz frost
Tartarus is super easy after you learn game mechanics
midnight cliff
depends how broken my build already is
quartz frost
Even with mediocre build
tough tulip
odin you can equip and unequip the +25 health to get 25 healing but not the extra max health
midnight cliff
I know but that is cheeeeating
somber epoch
wait, really?
tough tulip
when I have killed meg I always equip collar for 25 heal, then the duster thing and break all the pots for chance of more healing, then the charon well thing to get +3 charges on any purchases
somber epoch
that seems uh
tough tulip
then I equip my skull earring and we gud
drifting hemlock
You can't cheat if you never get hit Kappa
quartz frost
Pfft
somber epoch
it'll be interesting when people come up with mods for Hades
quartz frost
I rarely lose more than 20hp in all of Tartarus
green musk
the arrows are really easy to avoid...
just stick close when he is about to fire his arrows
then they'll go wild
turbid needle
Have they said if it will be modable? Mods for Roguelikes are always great
midnight cliff
always stand behind the rightwall with range and you don't get hit either
somber epoch
I mean like, there might not be official support, but people find a way
quartz frost
Actually I wall hide and dash over the wall at the end of the arrow shots for Hydra
green musk
Or don't stand behind the wall, his arrows go wild, and you can wail on him
quartz frost
Never get hit
green musk
hydra is completely defenceless whilst firing
somber epoch
you can't deflect the arrows, can you?
green musk
ez damage
quartz frost
Nope
green musk
no, you can't
midnight cliff
Just get to 40% and get the extra damage from the trinket
green musk
a few abilities can asborb em tho
quartz frost
Arrows are homing so cannot be deflected
foggy epoch
Oh, I only recently got hades...I assume hydra is a boss after meg? I've only gotten as far as meg so far 😮
green musk
such as shield after damage, shield on dash, and deflect shield on stygius
midnight cliff
most broken boss is the ship screw that sometimes
drifting hemlock
@foggy epoch yes
tough tulip
yeah this lel
quartz frost
The boat is easy for me
tough tulip
I'm looking forward to see what types of cancer will be on the next floor
green musk
because they're obnoxious as heck
midnight cliff
first time I went on that ship I didn't have a good build so it was a massacre
foggy epoch
I should have assumed there was at least one other floor after meg lol
drifting hemlock
Obnoxius is good, you want bullet hells and obnoxious enemies
if everything is just slow and high dmg then it becomes stale real quick
quartz frost
Zeus/poseidon cast make ship ezmode
somber epoch
i hope they buff player damage at some point
drifting hemlock
you want loads of different mechanics to play around
green musk
it's obnoxious when the best counter to blue boys is damage
drifting hemlock
Buff player dmg?.... Why
green musk
or running stygius
somber epoch
maybe have it scale per floor
green musk
if I got super nova stygius, the ship is ezpez
midnight cliff
Perhaps eventually there will be a mid point resting place
green musk
i've never died on the ship so far tho
somber epoch
i.e. the farther you go the more base damage you get
midnight cliff
something like deadcells the forge after 3 areas
somber epoch
to prevent ash from being just a low-damage slog
tough tulip
damage doesn't need to be buffed at this stage imo
drifting hemlock
I really hate that idea, Already breezing through the floors as it is, if i get stronger then im gonna cry
midnight cliff
where you can upgrade weapons to +1 or something
green musk
they should buff spear base damage to 20, increase shield attack speed but nerf the knockback
will make the game feel a lot smoother and even
midnight cliff
Most likely there will be a modifier for enemies aswell so it might scale
somber epoch
i hope they radically change armor eventually
drifting hemlock
Ascension modes like Slay the Spire?
green musk
armor : CANT STUN ME NOW CAN YE?
somber epoch
instead of just a pure invulv to stun, make it a resistance
green musk
I like armor because some enemies can be oneshot because of armor :^)
midnight cliff
Shield: Can't damage me can ya!
drifting hemlock
Stun should be removed all together
drifting hemlock
It's cheese
midnight cliff
Not every1 is a 1337 gamer lol
green musk
7 pom hidebreaker is... 550% more damage
green musk
Knockback is worse
midnight cliff
it is what people need sometimes ^^
green musk
stygius with nova is the most defensive build
drifting hemlock
sure its nice to breeze through a game and feel like you're the best
midnight cliff
Want to have a vortex ability though
drifting hemlock
but better than the feel of being the best is being the best
tough tulip
^
drifting hemlock
Practice makes perfect and the feeling is so rewarding
green musk
lizzy, that's what difficulty settings are for
somber epoch
we'll probably get the Bastion shrine thingies
drifting hemlock
I just don't think I see diff settings being in a rogue like
green musk
I've played enough that I got 40 completed runs, and don't loose any. only on purpose to try a new build.
drifting hemlock
unless its done like ascensions in e.g. slay the spire
midnight cliff
Hardest achievement: Use no boons while finishing the game.
green musk
Not that hard with stygius imho
midnight cliff
not yet
quartz frost
I hope next Boon is some kind of stat drain ability
tough tulip
that wouldn't be so hard if only we could choose not to pick up boons
midnight cliff
The finished game will probably be impossible with no boons
tough tulip
but at the moment that achievement would be impossible
somber epoch
called out
midnight cliff
considering health bars on enemies get x3 x 4 x 5
green musk
Just pick up bad boons
I don't want health inflation
make the game harder with enemy variety and different attacks
drifting hemlock
Nothings impossible, Like you see people doing dark souls with no weapons and no armor, its a battle of attrition
tough tulip
yeah same, I'd rather have difficulty increase be in mechanics
green musk
don't just inflate it by giving enemies more health.
drifting hemlock
as long as you know how to dodge, any chip damage will get your there in the end
green musk
it's such a dumb practice to make enemies bullet sponges
midnight cliff
darksouls is still mostly viable with terrain and 1vs1
tough tulip
that's why Titan Souls was a cool game
somber epoch
what if they are a literal sponge
tough tulip
every boss had 1 hp
midnight cliff
this game throws 15 enemies at you
drifting hemlock
I did weapon and armor less bloodborne run, thats not only 1v1s
midnight cliff
But jeah, those void crystals are the worst enemy so far in this game
drifting hemlock
i get that its a different game but the idea is there
somber epoch
brimstones?
tough tulip
just go behind them
somber epoch
you mean the invuln givers, ok
midnight cliff
it's not that they are hard but they always hover in the middle over lava
pastel jolt
those are called voidstones just fyi!
midnight cliff
gotta pull them all towards land first
tough tulip
I never had that issue tbh
somber epoch
ah, so Blue Brimstones, got it
pastel jolt
brimstones: purple lasers, ouch
voidstones: bubble shields
somber epoch
thx
green musk
they're void stones ye
midnight cliff
Enemies that get wrecked by me are not worthy to give their names!
pastel jolt
also they have faces for some reason which totally isn't weird or anything!
green musk
if they have armor I hate em
somber epoch
Gumstones and Bubblestones
green musk
because you can't stop em from making enemies invulnerable
So I just hope I got enough damage to break their armor in two-one hits
so I can stagger
drifting hemlock
You can by knocking them away
drifting hemlock
Shield with poseidon attack knocks them to olympus
midnight cliff
shield should have health or something
tough tulip
all this censorship
midnight cliff
33% reduction would be alot already
green musk
I'd be fine with 80%
midnight cliff
guess it needs to be on the higher end jeah
otherwise that mob becomes obsolete
So far every enemy is unique which I like so far
drifting hemlock
That just means you can still focus the mobs and ignore the blue stones, making the blue boys obsolete
the mechanic forces you to swap targets, attacking the passive blue boy and stay on guard from the enemy
somber epoch
maybe if you hit the voidstone that provided the shield, then the shield doesn't provide full immunity for X amount of time
that would allow you to either focus on the voidstones or do some minor target switching
drifting hemlock
At that point you might aswell finish the blue stone
somber epoch
this would be for armored voidstones primarily
green musk
lizzy
midnight cliff
can't seem to find anything wrong with it tbh
green musk
I'll be okay with that if they add an option to disable auto-aim
midnight cliff
certain situation with them are just anoying
green musk
because I can't coronacht the blue boys
somber epoch
if you're at a point where you'll oneshot them with hide breaker it's irrelevant
drifting hemlock
You can disable that
green musk
if it snaps to invulnerable boys
somber epoch
i think there was a feedback about that
midnight cliff
lolz
green musk
lemme check if they added an option yet
midnight cliff
🌈
drifting hemlock
I heard people talking about it since i started playing 16 days ago so it should be there 😛
drifting hemlock
I do want armored enemies to have more special attacks, say the big club guy gets some sort of earthquake in a line in front of his slam
Bullet sponges is just meh
young owl
controls, "aim assist"
midnight cliff
Then they should be shielded tbh
somber epoch
somber epoch
plz ignore the url thx :^)
midnight cliff
If you want those mobs to have special attacks then they should just be the elite version of that mob without shield
just give em more health
drifting hemlock
ofc they should be shielded, they need to be dangerous, Im already one shotting everything in tartarus, giving an enemy an empowered attack means little if hes one shotted
again no shield means stun lock-able meaning the attack is nill
midnight cliff
Might just make elite enemies unable to be stunned or thrown back
green musk
Knockback bow is hillarious
it knocks enemies back the whole arrow path
so they go flying
drifting hemlock
I was amazed to find the knockback from poseidon added onto the shields knockback, they go bye bye
tender zephyr
bleh That feeling when your skills are so rusty that you have trouble hitting and dodging enemies
It sucks
sinful atlas
Have you experienced knockback special on the spear? You can drag enemies toward your position or from wall to opposing wall, it's hilarious.
broken yarrow
My favorite build so far was seeking cast with crit, hit for 1097 damage on crit
green musk
pft, not as redicilous as 1000+ damage spear swirl
since it can backstab for 2000
xD
Man, zeus special on Coronacht isn't as good as I thought
it only hits each enemy once...
still trying to make a good build for the coronacht special, but it doesn't seem like anything really works that well for it
analog crystal
The delay after you shoot is too long for the damage it does for it to be viable imo
green musk
The damage isn't even that good
100 if you land all shots
200 with barrage upgrade
400 if you can get the damage upgraded.
worldly sage
idk if its just me
green musk
for something that's difficult to land
worldly sage
except maybe cast
green musk
his cast can clear rooms in seconds
worldly sage
idek about legendaries rip
toxic acorn
Zeus cast legendary build is good & will probably only get better as the game gets bigger
glacial cloak
@worldly sage i basiclly killed the hydra with zeus dash ^^
glacial cloak
rarity of the boons
green musk
Fun fact
broken yarrow
best shield special build is ares curse
toxic acorn
some god boons have progression paths
somber epoch
hello soradonaldgoofy
toxic acorn
Legendaries are the end of progression paths
green musk
On weapons with inate knockback, poseidon does double wall damage
once for the weapon knockback, once for the added knockback
all gods have progression paths
they each have a legendary
also wrong lettuce
toxic acorn
Ares is for his blade rifts, Zeus is for attack/cast orbs, etc
green musk
best shield build is hunter dash, pulverising blow, athena attack. if you're looking to just do a lot of damage 😛
worldly sage
ares curse on shield feels good until youre met with a room of meat shields
broken yarrow
I said for shield SPECIAL
worldly sage
and by progression path do you mean the hearts?
green musk
For the special I guess, I usuallt just try to get deflect on it
progression is coz boons are in tiers
tier one, two, and finally three
you can get a legendary as your third boon
not sooner
worldly sage
ok ok i keep asking questions but
toxic acorn
No, like, you can only get the ability for Zeus shots to bounce more if you have 1 of like 4 certain boon, then after you get bouncy time you get... double bouncy time
worldly sage
what are the hearts?
broken yarrow
ah I mixed up the bow name with the shield name, thought you were asking for a shield special build @green musk
thorny current
usually you get it as your 4th boon (the legendary) as long as you have at least two tier 1 boons then the tier 2 is basically guaranteed to spawn
but if you try to get a tier 2 and you only have a tier 1 the god may offer the 3 remaining tier 1
green musk
the hearts are just relation
the more hearts, the further down the relation path you are with X
unlocks more dialog
once
so don't accidentally skip through it
toxic acorn
It's more than 3 for some & some boons don't have progression
worldly sage
cant wait for scythe in the next patch
worldly sage
no but im hopeful
green musk
no, but all gods have progression
broken yarrow
are bosses considered to have "armor", or is that just health
I've always avoided armor boons because bosses were the only real problem for me
fossil wasp
99% sure its just hp
errant narwhal
yeah, they dont have armor
indigo gulch
Bomb bros kinda had armor but they are more of a mini boss
errant narwhal
midbosses do but they are optional
indigo gulch
I couldn't remember for sure it's been awhile
silent cliff
there was a meta? for me there will always only ever be the spearrrr
rocky whale
losing quick temper is interesting for certain builds
pulsar loom
For
- Eye of Lamia (Well): slightly increased cost
- Light of Ixion (Well): no longer sold during early escape attempts
what are these? Is there more to the rooms with the hp restore things that I haven't noticed?
shy thunder
they're some of the things you can buy in some rooms from the purple well/liquid container. charon's shops outside of his room
somber epoch
Light of Ixion is for blood gates i thin
pulsar loom
I was thinking "Wait, those random rooms with nothing but health restore have a shop in them too!?"
manic goblet
did... artemis dash not get touched? :o
eager phoenix
Hi, what is better for this game gamepad or K+M?
fickle hull
So no new weapon? But new god and some higher difficultly tiers, rooms, enemies?
Plus all the touch-ups
weary glacier
@manic goblet It did, quite a lot actually
worn fulcrum
Excited that Quick Temper is gone
pulsar loom
@eager phoenix My understanding is gamepad. A friend played with mouse/keyboard at first and didn't know gamepad was an option. He got much better after he switched
I started with gamepad and never felt the desire to switch
pastel jolt
make a bug report about it mate
manic goblet
oh wow... it was touched quite a bit
turbid needle
it was too good to be fair haha
hard holly
Yeah, but now its way too bad
radiant compass
Yeah, this is stupid? Did someone hit their head really badly?
Like, it went from "always take this" to "never take this"
How could anyone possibly think this is the right move?
radiant compass
It's not hard to judge the power of stuff... I really don't understand how games designers manage to get this stuff wrong... it's like, getting 2+2 wrong or something...
I just got offered it at epic level "After you dash gain 20%" chance to crit.
That's the same as artemis' attack boon at normal rank.
Which works all the time.
turbid needle
write it up in feedback if you feel its that bad, so they can see what people think about it when people vote on it
white oxide
I mean its still alpha, just because one patch came out doesnt mean everything is going to be perfectly balanced
white oxide
the bow was broken beyond belief before
green musk
it applies to cast
I had a build with chaos and I got a cast to deal 1700 damage on crit
white oxide
and now there is actual reason to ever cast
green musk
athena cast
green musk
It went from 200% guaranteed damage, to like. 30% guaranteed more damage
it's super rng
I upgraded it to 25%
Also just beat the hydra again
Time to wait for the next update lel
white oxide
kind of sad about the loss of quick temper, I get that it was overpowered but the dash gameplay was fun
green musk
At least it seems athena's blessing is useful now
since it can stack with chaos
and does plenty of extra damage
as opposed to before
stoic temple
so, what does the new skulls do? I did a complete run, collected them and didn't find what they're for
turbid needle
which blessing of athenas?
white oxide
the new skulls are for pacts
which is the table in zags room
think shrines from bastion
purely hard mode effects
no benefits
stoic temple
oh! I didn't see that in his room
green musk
It seems there's this annoying bug with athena's caste
stoic temple
I'll check it out next run
green musk
where it can't always properly hit hydra
white oxide
its fun if you like it super challenging
green musk
it's annoying
stoic temple
so high risk high reward kind of things?
green musk
i mean artemis* blessing
stoic temple
hahahaha ok
green musk
the crit chance ones
white oxide
just for people who like a challenge
stoic temple
alright
turbid needle
aah, right
white oxide
have fun
stoic temple
thanks!
turbid needle
and yeah that does sound better than before
green musk
Cast builds are extremely strong now
I got 69% more cast damage
via chaos
it's a bit busted
somber epoch
zag's a real wizard now
vestal umbra
@green musk Fancy seeing you here.
somber epoch
that would explain the internal soul changes
green musk
it's still useful for cast builds
pastel jolt
[spider-ham voice] it CAN be that bad!
white oxide
can chaos roll epic?
pastel jolt
they can roll rare, so i assume yes
white oxide
cool
somber epoch
when's the legendary chaos boon thou
white oxide
if I get a chaos attack damage boon, can I still get another attack boon?
hard holly
Eh, even for cast builds its bad
white oxide
Ive never liked any cast build ive tried
hard holly
Alright, so first win with sword so far
white oxide
sure, damage is high, but I just seem to take unnecessary damage from recollecting casts
hard holly
World Splitter is still great
white oxide
getting carried by ares shield special atm
placid pike
No more Quick Temper, eh?
somber epoch
nope
placid pike
Still the new Cast alt looks fun
somber epoch
zag went to anger management classes
placid pike
Is he going to go to family therapy as well?
white oxide
big hug from daddy hades
placid pike
The only hugs Hades give are enthusiastic Melvin hugs.
visual trout
can someone pls tell me how to use Heat?
placid pike
They tend to end in stabbings
keen tangle
powershot lines looks better for the bow, but seems to feel less accurate? (with tripleshot)
tawdry sleet
UPDATEEE!! 😄
white oxide
tripleshot spread is larger
tawdry sleet
so Artemis dash nerfed then
tough tulip
oh boy, the new mirror upgrade instead of dashdamage is so good
and the new hydra fight seems way easier
frosty pier
It more intense
tough tulip
felt less intense to me imo
frosty pier
with less cover
frosty pier
Well i'ma scrub who used cover alot, now fells better
Yeah
Bit they changed armor a bit
keen tangle
wow hunter dash got nerfed hard
frosty pier
Into Chaos itself i'd say
white oxide
the armor change makes the masses of little skulls with armor actually hard to deal with
keen tangle
actually i'm not sure who would ever want hunter dash over pressure points. ever.
tawdry sleet
not sure what to make of this blood gate change
All of these options don't seem worth the pain
green musk
I dunno, 450 damage stygius specials with hunter dash before asphodel... FEELS PRETTY GOOD???
tawdry sleet
-26 hp for 4 encounters to gain just 1 death defiance...?
why do I want to more than half my starting health for that
green musk
The cast damage one is defo worth it
and the normal damage one
Devs have always had a tendancy to over-rate death defiance
hard holly
Yeah, its a shame, I think SGG is a bit too prone to overnerfing hard
proud storm
that's just how it be https://i.imgur.com/aGIdu6a.png
turbid needle
I got -44% move speed for +1 Death defience, I think it's just random debuff + random buff
worn fulcrum
Death Defiance is indeed really good
keen tangle
hrm, i think artemis keepsake might be worthless now. gonna see if it's worth anything with spear
fickle hull
It's probably not better than a centaur heart
pastel jolt
i took the "reduced health now, more attack later" and it felt pretty good
worn fulcrum
Because the difficulty in this game is very concerntrated - you're likely to take a lot of damage in one room (boss room?) and very little otherwise, so I'm perfectly willing to take short-term losses for long-term gains
green musk
950 damage stygius special
yeah right, as if hunter dash is that bad
it's just better for damage stacking now
white oxide
especially since the chaos bonuses stack
tawdry sleet
interesting change on the chests
white oxide
when normally you can only get one damage buff per attack type
green musk
I don't like the new chests
darkness chest = useless
health chest = usually useless
tawdry sleet
would be nice to still have the choice between gold or hp
viscid moon
jut got a room in asphodel with no enemies in it and I can't progress
green musk
Fellas
I think hunter dash and pressure poitns stack
I just has a 177 base damage artemis cast do 941 damage
so it must've crit twice
somehow
viscid moon
oh it was just a new enemy that took like 5 years to start attacking nvm
keen tangle
pressure points wording seems to indicate that it's +crit chance
so maybe there's multiple crit chances
does anyone else feel like dash sensitivity has changed? It feels like dash isn't triggering at times.
radiant compass
hunter dash and more crit damage
green musk
Nvm, I had clean kill
merry nymph
Quick question, where do the screenshots go after F11?
green musk
clean kill is insane now
radiant compass
50% crit chance... 256% bonus crit damage
radiant compass
Yeah, hunter dash clean kill, i just beat the hydra, first try since patch.
merry nymph
Whoops, shoud've posted to support >_>
keen tangle
@merry nymph clipboard - you can ctrl-v to paste them
green musk
uwot zeus
white oxide
I dont think hunters dash is as bad as people are saying
crit damage is higher at base
radiant compass
Yeah I just won with it, seems fine.
white oxide
and you can crit off of more than just dash
radiant compass
I had it at epic level.
tawdry sleet
I wonder what will be considered the top tier boons this patch
white oxide
hades shield special was a run carry before this patch, and the shield is just better now
hard holly
Ares and Aphro have boosts that are decent
hard holly
But you want to avoid Aphro so eh
arctic venture
it feels so bad getting multiple rooms of heat in a row when there's no benefit to using it
green musk
There's a benefit, it's called pain
I wish you'd at least get more darkness
darkness that doesn't heal at least
just you know, something to have
arctic venture
yeah I would definitely use heat if it gave a +%darkness buff
hard holly
Interesting
arctic venture
maybe I can trade it for other things in the currency exchange though?
last I checked I could trade for it so the reverse is probably true
hard holly
Baseline damage of bull rush is 50, right?
turbid needle
Is it just me or the nerf to crits makes playing with the bow realllyyyy long now ?
hard holly
Nah
I had a bow run without an attack booster until right before the Hydra
Was still a fast run
keen tangle
yes, it's longer. you definitely do less damage
turbid needle
Maybe there's something I'm missing then UNOvven
hard holly
I did have triple shot tho
turbid needle
Despite hitting the perfect shot pretty much everytime and trying to align enemies to hit more than one with one attack, I feel like it's taking forever to clear rooms
turbid needle
Especially the ones with plenty of small enemies with armor
crisp drift
I dont think ive ever gotten a 'counter' in the game. Can someone help me know when/how to get them? I generally dodge away if I see someone about to smack me, so most all of my damage comes from flank attacks which I dont think I could counter anyway (?)
thorny current
https://imgur.com/a/AUKXk0R HOLY....
keen tangle
wow haha addled remedy is so good haha
green musk
79% chaos attack blessing
FEELS GOOD MAN
I know what would be epic
if using heat increases chaos chance
and chaos strength
frosty pier
God Chaos is fun
turbid needle
https://imgur.com/a/8ydgYNJ first vicyory
tawdry sleet
Just had my first one too! 😄
turbid needle
this new update made it a bit more easy tbh
dire cedar
Which chaos boon do you think is best?
tawdry sleet
My bow felt way weaker and everything felt slower (might've just been an unlucky boon run)
but it was definitely easier
Hydra fight especially
keen tangle
The Hydra got nerfed too hard, it's a ludicrously easy fight now
pastel jolt
hey guys, i have a question
i'm trying to decide what's the better pick: 38 health but no max increase, or 25 and yes max increase
i'm leaning towards the flat 38
long herald
i think its 38 as well
tawdry sleet
turbid needle
take the +max
tawdry sleet
liking the victory screen
turbid needle
as you have undying
keen tangle
wow i actually took time off to play after the patch, but i think i'm going back to work after beating the hydra on the first try
long herald
yeah but undying only gives you +20 no matter how much hps you have
turbid needle
nvm
drifting hemlock
So is extra casts not a thing anymore? I lost 3 of them on the run i had saved 😄
turbid needle
then
long herald
so +38 is prolly better cuz it seems his nearing the end of run
pastel jolt
oh my god i just got a second charon shop after this one
charon mate how'd you beat me here
long herald
xD
turbid needle
XD
Is it common to get two of the exact same thing at the transition from one area to another? https://i.imgur.com/zZShxyb.jpg
candid spire
long herald
feels like the zues buff wasnt needed and when you upradge the attack instead of +5 its like +10 damage a little 2 strong
drifting hemlock
I got fully loaded +3 but only 4 casts
crisp drift
@keen tangle yeah, beat hydra on the 2nd try myself
tawdry sleet
Good news, Shadowplay now recognises Hades and names the screenshots taken correctly
Bad news, I think it may have overwritten the folder I'd manually made
turbid needle
:p
tawdry sleet
Unless I'm just being a pleb, I can't find my original screenies
umbral fiber
the daedalus upgrade for shield rush is absurd now
it charges so fast it almost makes it hard to execute a normal attack without rush
umbral fiber
absolutely
umbral fiber
it's mysterious why they removed the dash+attack bonus though. having the additional cast-tagging bonus is a nice mechanic but what was wrong with dash+attack?
XD somebody left the game open overnight huh
drifting hemlock
Nope, just didnt continue my run from 3 days or so ago, apparently timer still goes when you're not playing
green musk
lol
but yeah hydra is easy
previously you could game the hydra by staying close to his head
so his shots would miss
now you do the same, but you slash once
CLEARING ALL HIS SHOTS
before he can even fire em
which is duuuumb
umbral fiber
i feel proud that i managed it before the patch with only 1700 total darkness 😉
well near the end things are exploding and flying all over the place anyway with 6 summoned heads so it's not like it makes a massive difference 😛
drifting hemlock
green musk
tbh I don't like bloating enemy health
idk, normal enemies aren't really that challenging
and I imagine more enemies will just make encounters longer
feels like the only real way to make it harder is increasing damage taken.
also shame, cosmic egg doesn't guarantee a blood gate
so taking it is a risk.
elfin spindle
incresing the difficulty gets you something else appart for the thrill of the challenge?
finite grail
For the boons/keepsakes that grant bonuses to distant enemies: Is that only applicable to bow/other weapon's specials?
or is it weapon specific
long herald
other weapons ans specials
drifting hemlock
whos the new dude you can give ambrosia?
drifting hemlock
ah
umbral fiber
it's Chaos
analog crystal
The new keepsake is fun
pastel jolt
that's chaos, and they're not a dude ;P
trail orbit
It's a bit disappointing heat doesn't give something like additional darkness tho
analog crystal
I think they are? Zag called them a gentleman
pastel jolt
i have screenshots i can and will use them
analog crystal
I misread screenshots in hadesspoilers that im pretty sure were yours 😂 i apologise
drifting hemlock
are troves worth the key?
pastel sundial
https://imgur.com/a/cWoTdYL new hunter dash seems weak af
green musk
Wow, they let you open a trove when under chaos no gold blessing
umbral fiber
the ones i've found without key were questionable
green musk
fudge you devs!