#h1-builds-and-combat
rough condor
You really used your spear special? Man you crazy 
latent root
Just to break some vases ;d
But this could be cool motive, secret passage for weapons
plush blaze
@nocturne cedar Have tested this and it works
Edit Hades\Content\Scripts\TraitData.lua
Ctrl+F to find UnusedWeaponBonusTrait
Edit MetaPointMultiplier from 1.1 to a higher value such as 5.0. Even with whole numbers, make sure you add a point zero at the end of it
Works only with darkness gained at the end of a room, not charon's mini shop or sisyphys. Might work with charon's shop when it's a full room, but haven't tested yet
Play the game, pick up the weapon which has the darkness bonus on it (signified by the swirling purple stuff around it) and play the game. Instead of +1 darkness per 10 darkness you pick up, you should get way more.
Also back up game files first
Going to assume this is ok to post until someone yells at me
Oops @d the wrong person
@nocturne cedar incase it didn't @ you before
Also it will spawn a ton of +1 darkness particles, so don't do insanely high multipliers since it might lag your PC
tulip timber
H4x0r
plush blaze
l337?
nocturne cedar
@plush blaze tanks
plush blaze
np
tulip timber
Aphrodite wall scroll strat is just use the Hypnos relic, yeah?
tawdry sleet
I actively avoid Aphrodite boon choices and groan internally when I have no other option
tulip timber
I like her cast.
I do not think it is good, but I like it.
And once you are on t2 her damage reduction boon is pretty solid.
Does the boon booster Charon item just add a multiplier to next boon? I have trouble seeing an effect but I don't pay close attention to numbers.
Things are going to get hilariously less consistent with six more gods.
hard holly
How the mighty have fallen
From the best goddess for boons, to the worst
Honestly, I think they should just have Poseidon, Athena and Aphrodite have the same % values
plush blaze
I usually only get a cast upgrade if it's rare/epic, or if I'm using sword and don't have a good hammer upgrade
tulip timber
I'll get Poseidon cast with bow as a utility. It's a very big AoE, which you sometimes need.
I won't upgrade it usually, since I just want it for the push.
It's a good way to scramble bloodless, and pretty helpful on the death boat.
tulip timber
You're a lot more controlled with dashing than I am.
Is there feedback on the "last mob slowdown" making it so you get hit by deathbombs?
Or am I just bad?
plush blaze
Yeah someone posted that feedback earlier @tulip timber
errant narwhal
at least 3 feedbacks
tulip timber
Hah, kay. I figured. Usually the answer to "am I the only one" is no.
keen tangle
@abstract swan how do you control the seed?
abstract swan
u gotta be lucky a little bit
but mostly with the crit arrow
so u always get crit straight away
there isnt a way to controll seeds atm is there?
man i wish some of the other boons were a bit more viable for big dmg
plush blaze
I might look into it @abstract swan
The seed
Shouldn't be hard to change it in the code to a constant, it's just awkward from a user use point of view
Could do as a launch parameter
Or from a local text file
plush blaze
Yeah same
abstract swan
so i can practice something without having to rely too much on luck
u seen the world record?
plush blaze
Also it might be implemented eventually in the main game, but I'm not going to rely on that
abstract swan
9:04 
plush blaze
Haven't seen it yet, but I assume it's crazy good RNG
All roguelike WRs are like that
abstract swan
want a link?
plush blaze
Nah I can find it
tulip timber
And to get the mobs lined up.
But part of the RNG is good draws on mobs. Some take a whole lot less killing.
abstract swan
i feel like the spear can hold its own tho , i would say its really strong cause u dotn need as much skill charging it up liek the bow
tulip timber
I'm just learning to use spear properly. Bow felt too good and I played it exclusively until clear. Now I can do bow pretty much 100%, though I'm nowhere near that fast. 😃
abstract swan
im p good with the bow too but i plank on hydra with it for some reason
but hydra with the spear was easy
plush blaze
There's a single function called RandomSetNextInitSeed() which generates the random numbers
And it already has functionality for set seeds, interestingly
Unused in the current version
tulip timber
Biggest thing with bow on hydra I think is to kill the green heads quickly so you're not dealing with bloodless. Once you get some space, just be patient in clearing out the rest of the add heads.
plush blaze
function RandomSetNextInitSeed( args )
-- On the next map load, RandomInit will use the given seed.
-- Pairs well with SaveCheckpoint({...})
local rngId = 1
local seed = RandomInt(-2147483647, 2147483646)
if args ~= nil then
if args.Id ~= nil then
rngId = args.Id
end
if args.Seed ~= nil then
seed = args.Seed
end
end
NextSeeds[rngId] = seed
end```
Basically: if you provide a seed use that seed, otherwise set the seed to a random intmm nice
tulip timber
Red and gray can't do anything to you. Green are most annoying. Main head is just follow the patterns and don't eat a wave of purple stuff.
tulip timber
Someone will write a seed manipulation tool eventually. 😃 I'll screw with that once I get all the remaining juice from normal play.
plush blaze
idk, I'll do some experimenting with it later
tulip timber
As long as I don't have to do bonkers nonsense like with FFXII.
plush blaze
There's a bunch of tools I want to make for hades, I'm just hoping I have enough time after exams
hard holly
Oh, Hades is moddable?
plush blaze
It's all in lua and .xml files
tulip timber
To the extent that it has values you can edit. 😃
plush blaze
Moddable af
plush blaze
Yeah, eventually
I'm going to start with seeded runs and adding multipliers for player damage / enemy damage
hard holly
Neat
abstract swan
Another thing i want is DUO online coop runs
hard holly
Wait, is Transistor moddable?
abstract swan
with 2x the enemies
hard holly
Because I wanted to try and make a Transistor roguelite
plush blaze
Checking rn
ocean halo
i dont think that base engine allows that ammount of freedom anyway
abstract swan
btw how do i get roles?
plush blaze
#bot-commands
Large scale gameplay changes would be hard to do
And two player online co-op would require so much work
Local co-op could be doable maybe
plush blaze
Would prefer to do low hanging fruit that won't be altered by all the changes that will happen
Worse to start early with an alpha version of the game and then have to fix 100 things every time the devs patch the game
For such a large project as online co-op
abstract swan
local couldnt work tho
like who plays with 2 controllers on pc
i mean would be cool but
plush blaze
Local couldn't work apart from when it does
Like you said, two controllers
It's pretty standard for local co-op
Also you could have two input handlers at the same time, so you could have one player on keyboard and one on controller
worn dawn
I would love local coop for this
plush blaze
You just need to handle all the inputs on a game which was designed for single inputs... which is likely to be complicated
abstract swan
yo im missin 2 keepsakes but i dont know who to give the ambro to to get them
abstract swan
how would i do that
worn dawn
Hold c
abstract swan
wait waht
plush blaze
Have you given one to skelly?
worn dawn
Check your controls then
You should have a button to open codex
In the controls options
abstract swan
inside game yeah?
worn dawn
Yup
abstract swan
ok i geuss its not ticked or something
worn dawn
Managed to find what button it’s set to?
abstract swan
its set but doesnt open anything
worn dawn
You have to hold it for a few seconds
tulip timber
Uncomfortable truth: Bouldy has more character Hades at the moment.
And more of a following. 😃
Hades is grumpy beard dad all the time.
abstract swan
like how long nothign happening
worn dawn
Nah sometimes he’s angsty beard dad
abstract swan
yeah i dunno it doesnt work,
abstract swan
ill put a small msg in there
tulip timber
If you're hitting correct key, a little circle should start to fill, I think in the lower left.
abstract swan
yup and default on keyboard is c
both didnt work
tried inside start area and inside a run
tulip timber
Very odd. Huh.
abstract swan
literally been playing the game without it
thats why i was looking for a wiki or something
tulip timber
I assume you have all the God relics. Easiest to miss I would guess are Meg (who isn't always around) and Skelly.
Maybe Charon?
I like how sometimes the start area NPCs are just off somewhere else doing their own thing. Makes it feel more alive.
formal hill
Cerberus, the gods, medusa, meg....
tulip timber
No one doesn't give Dusa presents.
white basalt
Downloaded the game a couple of days ago, and can't get enough of it! Pretty solid job lads. Would love to see a leaderboards system in the final release (at least for friends). I noticed that someone has already posted this request in #hades-feedback , so I suggest whoever shares this thought considers upvoting it. 👍
tulip timber
☠
hollow notch
I usually get it down to 50%
and die to all the heads
One time I got it down to 75
and then I died to all the heads
abstract swan
try spear
on the last stage of hydra just clear 1 head bottom left and u get a bit of space to play with him
hollow notch
I usually just pick whichever weapon has the dark thirst on it 😄
pastel jolt
@abstract swan has achilles actually given you the codex
rough condor
check some streamers bubole40 and ask for tips which they can show you maybe?
abstract swan
i dont think so thats probably why
pastel jolt
yeah you can't open a book you haven't been given
rough condor
just play some runs. after a while he will hand it over
pastel jolt
wait didn't someone have this same issue where achilles never handed them the codex
abstract swan
ive done like 70 runs
hollow notch
And I got a weird bug on the hydra boss
rough condor
which one?
hollow notch
I dashed into the lava, as usuall, and then my Zag kept getting pulled to the bottom of the screen
pastel jolt
yeah you're not the only person to be getting this issue, it looks like someone else says they've done a couple dozen runs and achilles never gave them it...... hmm
hollow notch
And I don't think it was an issue with the controller
rough condor
well it sounds like one
hollow notch
I didn't actually stop to check, but it seemed like Zag was moving without any animation
pastel jolt
he's supposed to give it after 2 runs :/
rough condor
this sounds buggy yeah. restart the room than
hollow notch
Restart a boss fight?
rough condor
hm it was midfight than there is no other option than dying probably
@abstract swan this means you have to 1. make a new save, 2. wait for a fix or 3. try to search the trigger in your savefile and rewrite it
hollow notch
It didn't last that long actually
Also, while this was happening, I wasn't getting any dmg from the lava
rough condor
hm
abstract swan
after farming about 3.4k darkness i dont really wanna make a new save
tulip timber
Could juice darkness drops for the bonus weapon to catch up.
Doesn't do you much good for the other drops though.
abstract swan
im working on buying all the decorations atm
tulip timber
Well, maybe they'll get it into a patch to force Achilles to give you the codex if it isn't received. You probably just stepped in some weird hole they didn't catch.
Seems a tricky thing to test / force without doing legit playtesting gruntwork of doing new saves over and over.
tawdry sleet
The decorations always show up at the worst time when I have no money 😂
tulip timber
Well, once you buy them all you sometimes get an exciting blank slot. I'm not convinced it gives you more options. Would like the decorations to have simple functionality like the scrying pool.
Which I'm sure has been suggested in feedback.
worn dawn
I just want additional decorations to include new outfits to wear
hard holly
Let Zag wear Aphrodites outfit
still pewter
A but Aphrodite wears no ou-- oh
autumn tapir
keen tangle
i had a 14 minute run just now with no crit and 2 of the timed rooms, is there a way to determine if a room is going to have one of those timed things so i can avoid it when trying to do a speed run or is it just random
i just figured out you can dodge the boat lol so i'm slow to these things
tulip timber
I don't think there is any indicator on whether it's going to be a survive for X seconds room.
And I think I've seen it with every room clear drop, so that's no help.
worn dawn
I def haven’t noticed a pattern
tulip timber
With good bow boons I can usually keep up with floor 1. Gets a bunch of gold.
Asphodel I just run. Too many of the stupid shield guys to bother with.
opal lintel
can anyone give a real quick Blood Gate mechanics explanation? I'm unclear on how they work. Namely, do blood gates count as rooms? and, do blood gates send you one of the original offered rooms or do they send you somewhere arbitrary?
glossy slate
they definitely don't send you to one of the offered rooms
from what I've experienced, they take the place of your next room and send you to what comes after them
tulip timber
Ah, I haven't been counting. They're good if your only choice is Key.
opal lintel
out of curiosity, not that it really matters in a given run
did ppl test whether they actually send you to the room after by replaying seeds
or do they just send you to a random room, basically
tulip timber
They don't send you to an offered room because I pretty much never get one of the offered choices after. Or so it seems.
opal lintel
I've gotten the offered room choices sometimes but I assume it was cooincidence
and they DO count as a room tho?
glossy slate
definitely
tulip timber
So a good choice for speed runs then.
opal lintel
that too
glossy slate
you're also guaranteed a bit of gold from a vase when you go in, from what I've seen
abstract swan
i would like a small chance to get a second hammer on bloodgates
glossy slate
if you have hydralite active they're basically free too
tulip timber
Not every time with gold vase. But pretty often.
opal lintel
if you get rewards you don't really want, you can spend HP (which also might arguably save you HP if you're prone to taking damage alot) to go to Chaos instead
hydralite does make them free, doesn't it
since the heal comes after damage
last question about them
tulip timber
More than free really. You get hurt on gate, and then healed. Then healed again when you leave.
opal lintel
when I started playing Hades I remember opening a gate during my initial few runs
and finding a boon down there
I think I've found a hammer before too, but memory is fuzzy
but recently, ONLY money and darkness
tulip timber
I've never seen a boon, I think I've seen a hammer. I started after X-mas though.
opal lintel
are boons and such very rare or was that a forced event because of the "introducing all gods in order" sequence thing it does?
and/or have the blood gate room rewards been patched at some point?
glossy slate
I've only found money and darkness, but I've also only entered them after my hammer and a few boons so who knows
opal lintel
ok so maybe its possible to find hammers, but ofc. only if you haven't found a hammer yet
and you don't have any experience with boons, so I'll assume that was a fluke caused by the forced-boon-spawns sequences
glossy slate
you seem to have a lower chance generating a boon as you collect more
tulip timber
I feel like I've seen Poms, but I wouldn't swear to it.
opal lintel
I personally don't remember poms but I'd put them in the same category as hammers
if hammers can spawn poms probably can, too
tulip timber
I usually don't see keys, because usually I'm saying "I don't want a key, give me the mystery hole."
opal lintel
Dr. do you mean in general or did you look something up about Chaos
cuz I've never noticed boons spawning less as you get more
diff. runs just kinda end up being wildly different from time to time
glossy slate
just in general
opal lintel
I had a run with only 1 boon received at all
more boons offered, but I didn't pick them and I think I got like, 1 total in asphodel
glossy slate
my first few rooms seem to offer up boons on a silver platter, but if I collect more than 3 I have to struggle to find them in asphodel
opal lintel
and another run where I couldn't avoid boons and they went off the top of the screen
it feels like just arbitrary chance
glossy slate
maybe
opal lintel
maybe the rng does change but I don't think its much
glossy slate
Asphodel is definitely out to screw you though
opal lintel
but I guess if boon spawns in chaos were already low
then it might be exacerbated
get 2 boons and the chance could drop additively to <1%
so that's a possible explanation
glossy slate
I've lost count of the number of times I've wandered in with the keepsake to guarantee a boon I need to round off my weakness
and then not finding it until the murder boat
which can only drop a boon
opal lintel
yeahhhhh those keepsakes are pretty good already, for buffing a god's boons
abstract swan
i feel like i get all teh good stuff in asphodel
opal lintel
if you like a particular god or want to do a focused build
abstract swan
like crit effectiveness
opal lintel
but they kinda need a buff in consistency dept.
that's cuz all the good stuff has prerequisites
can't get bonus damage on crit until you have crit
glossy slate
well yeah
glossy slate
sometimes
opal lintel
the godly keepsakes need a buff tho to make sure you get the boons FREQUENTLY (in a relative sense)
keen tangle
it's probably just random chance, but lately when using a boon keepsake, i've been seeing the first boon be that god's, then nothing else the rest of the run
glossy slate
I got a run last night where I found Poseidon in room 1, Artemis in room 2, and literally nothing but Athena afterwards
opal lintel
guaranteeing only one, slightly empowered boon, isn't worth the keepsake slot
glossy slate
on the plus side
hard holly
It is
opal lintel
when that boon might conflict with, say, a hammer upgrade
opal lintel
and might be the only boon of that god you get in the run
glossy slate
Thank you for flying Zagreus Airlines, we hope you enjoyed your trip
opal lintel
omg
opal lintel
ok did your dash+powershot really deal 878 damage
glossy slate
glossy slate
something like that
opal lintel
jfc
glossy slate
about 250 per arrow I think
hard holly
At that point the enemies can bow out
glossy slate
they flew out
if they survive the burst, hitting them with all 3 arrows triples the knockback
glossy slate
I also learned last night
tulip timber
Poseidon sword attack + world breaker is just "GO AWAY"
glossy slate
Poseidon's boon to increase end of room rewards
hard holly
Its a shame poseidon never says "Ah its all water under the brigde now" after you beat him when angering him in the trial of the gods
glossy slate
it increases the max health you get from centaur hearts
tulip timber
Yup! I had an almost pure Poseidon run with about 300 health. 😃
tulip timber
Nice.
Throw one of the damage reductions on that and you can bite the hydra to death if you want.
glossy slate
the burritos in the hydra room healed me for 34 each it was stupid
tulip timber
😄
hard holly
Yknow, its important to reach the second boss after eating a lot
So you can make sure youre also Hydrated
tulip timber
Nothing is more frustrating than picking a God relic, and then getting Heart - Darkness - Coin - Darkness - Pick from Boon or Hammer.
glossy slate
Oh god hammers
they've just stopped appearing in Tartarus for most of my runs
one of them even waited until after the murder boat to show up in Charon's shop
tulip timber
Fingers crossed for "First item is a hammer" relic.
glossy slate
Hephaestos when
tulip timber
🔨
hard holly
Would the modern day name of Hephaestos be "John Smith"?
glossy slate
🙃
tulip timber
The name Armie Hammer still makes me mad.
Hypnos's son https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morpheus could be mimics of room drops. 😃 Clear room, pick up drop, OH NO IT IS HITTING ME.
I think every game should have mimics. Mimics are the best.
hard holly
He could give us the choice between a blue pill and a red pill
glossy slate
running for your life, you find the staircase to the previous floor to try and hide in
damn thing disappears in a puff of smoke
Hephaestos is the original MC Hammer
tulip timber
OG MC
hard holly
Idk, Im pretty sure Poseidon was the first to drop the bass
tawdry sleet
What boons do people find most successful on shield? 🤔
I'm yet to manage a run with it
glossy slate
Divine Strike affects the bull rush, if you get that it’s basically a free win
All of Poseidon’s boons scale incredibly well with it too
tulip timber
Yeah, I did it first with Poseidon attack. Knockback doesn't help on bosses but damage is good enough.
glossy slate
Zeus works great with the special
hard holly
Shield special is bad
Dont use it
Anyway, Athenas attack boon and Artemis dash
Poseidons boon is fine too
Attack boon, that is
glossy slate
Thankfully Poseidon’s boon is only slightly behind Athena’s in terms of raw damage
tulip timber
You can use shield special in Tartarus. Avoid it if possible in Asphodel in case it decides it has better things to do than return.
tawdry sleet
just got a real nice Poseidon +60% with knockback epic
tulip timber
That should be plenty.
tulip timber
If you can get Poseidon reward bonus early enough, tank up on hearts and have a billion health by Hyrda.
glossy slate
^^^^
hard holly
Only if you dash before bull rush
Ive already made the feedback that it should work if you dash after charging
glossy slate
Does it work like the bow and increase charge speed after dash?
I haven’t used shield in ages
tulip timber
I hope they will leave the Artemis eye twinkly showing on fade-to-black boss kills.
hard holly
Nope
tulip timber
I think it's probably unintentional, but I like it.
glossy slate
I’ll have to do some experimenting later, it’s the only weapon I don’t have a win with
glossy slate
Oh I don’t use that thing once I hit asphodel
It makes clearing numbskulls easy in Tartarus is all
hard holly
Anyway, just dash and doubletap
tulip timber
I think I'm unclear how the block works during bull charge. Damage usually seems to just go through.
tawdry sleet
oooh decisions decisions... upgrade Artemis to last 2 seconds with 4 hits instead of 1 and 3.... or Poseidon to go from 75% to 90%
hard holly
Upgrade poseidon
tulip timber
I must not be positioning properly.
hard holly
You want to dash a lot anyway
fleet wharf
so i finished the story so far in around 3 hours, the sword is way too op
you use power with the wide range upgrade and it doesnt compare to anything
tulip timber
I like that everyone thinks different weapons are OP. Shows they are all viable.
fleet wharf
you get crit chance from athena and you can do 200 damage
in like 3 room from the start
i think is not balanced compare to others
hard holly
200 is pretty low
glossy slate
It’s perfectly reasonable to do 300+ in an aoe with the spear at the start too
tulip timber
Getting the right first boon with any weapon can make most of the rest of the run pretty easy.
glossy slate
Or shotgun an entire room open with the bow
My best hit was nearly 1600 with the bow
fleet wharf
but like the spear need to charge
tulip timber
I wish the triple bow shot hammer upgrade was a narrower spread.
fleet wharf
yeah is a bit too spreaded
glossy slate
You can charge from out of attack range and then dash to move the swipe into range of whatever you want dead
tulip timber
But like, most of my complaints about how things work are playstyle based. 😃 I want everything to cater to how I like to play.
fleet wharf
maybe with more arrow gets tighter
tawdry sleet
You can only pick one of each type of abiliy from boons, right? so if I have the Poseidon attack boon, I couldn't also pick Athena's attack boon
tulip timber
Correct.
glossy slate
Correct
tawdry sleet
wondering what to pick up at the half way point
I already have Artemis' dash
might just grab +25 hp keepsake
glossy slate
Depends on the weapon
tulip timber
And what T2s are available.
tawdry sleet
only boons now would be Cast related I think
fleet wharf
a thing i found out is like with the sword i never use the normal attack and always spam the bigger one
tawdry sleet
and cast 
fleet wharf
i never used cast like a single time
tulip timber
After 2nd boon I'm usually on the lookout for the second tier passives.
tawdry sleet
example?
hard holly
The special is also pretty weak on sword
You need to get the hammer upgrade to have a reason using it
tulip timber
Athena damage reduction, Artemis crit boost.
hard holly
And even then specifically the one upgrade
glossy slate
Artemis T2 will massively increase your damage output
tawdry sleet
ooh I might go with Athena keepsake then and hope for damage reduction
tulip timber
Or the reprisal damage.
fleet wharf
i would use the special all day instead of a single attack
glossy slate
Especially once everyone is armored in asphodel
fleet wharf
that might get you hurt from all around
tulip timber
I killed hydra with no attacks, just stepping gently in lava, using a buffed Zeus and Ares reprisal. 😃
glossy slate
Unless you get extra knockback on the special, spamming it will get you killed in asphodel
glossy slate
What are your options?
tawdry sleet
and one of the options is Attack 150% but no longer knock foes away... would that technically not matter since I have Poseidons knock back now?
fleet wharf
even without knockback you just need the hammer upgrade it hits half the screen anyway
lol
tulip timber
Good question. No idea.
tawdry sleet
might pick it for science
glossy slate
Weapon?
fleet wharf
well in the end i think will play it more for the story than the game itself cheers everybody 😄
glossy slate
Attack boost should remove the shields native knockback but keep Poseidon’s
tawdry sleet
That's what I figure, but would that have an effect? do the knockbacks stack?>
tulip timber
I agree that's what should happen. 😃 If it doesn't, maybe post a feedback if no one has.
tawdry sleet
would they knockback... less?
glossy slate
Might bork it anyways because Poseidon also multiplies native knockback
tulip timber
They do stack I'm pretty sure. So probably?
tawdry sleet
tulip timber
If it's multiplicative, and one modifier goes to 0, might remove it entirely.
glossy slate
If it works as expected then you’ll still get a small bump but lose that patented YEET
tawdry sleet
hahaha exactly
tulip timber
If it makes knockback 0 you can at least hit them twice.
And with the two damage boosts that's probably enough to kill most things.
tawdry sleet
I'm gonna risk it
tulip timber
Cool, let us know what changes.
glossy slate
SCIENCE!
tawdry sleet
As far as YEET's go, it feels like there was no change 
tulip timber
Huh. I'd expect some change. Oh well, maybe Poseidon overwrites.
glossy slate
So Poseidon overrides the hammer nerf...
tulip timber
Good info. Makes Poseidon circumstantially better than Athena on shield.
tawdry sleet
oooh another hard choice
pom of power room for upgrading my attack damage... or Athena room for potential damage reduction boon
think I'll go for the pom pom
glossy slate
Pom
tulip timber
Yeah, more damage is usually best bet when given the choice.
Can't hit you if they're dead.
glossy slate
Crit stacks multiplicitavely with attack boosts
tulip timber
Er, dead again. Redead.
tawdry sleet
Is there a cooldown on the poseidon pushback
glossy slate
No
tawdry sleet
it seems to only trigger every few hits 🤔
glossy slate
Bombers are immune to knockback while jumping though
tulip timber
May be a weird interaction with hammer? Or did you notice that before hammer?
glossy slate
Armor lets them resist knockback too
glossy slate
No god will protect you from my wrath
hard holly
Looks like youve got a bone to pick with me
tulip timber
Might have a possible bug, but I wanna reproduce it. Pathing on the blue crystal dudes sometimes gets messed up if you YEET them into oblivion off the map.
Without killing them.
I think one got lost trying to float back, so the room couldn't clear.
tawdry sleet
uploading a clip of poseidon shield for the science
glossy slate
I’ve noticed that Poseidon’s effect on enemies during trials of the gods counts as an attack even though it doesn’t deal damage
tawdry sleet
Let's see if I can down the Hydra
glossy slate
Makes him an easy choice if you have revenge effects
tulip timber
Well, "later on" is relative. We've got 2 levels of maybe as many as 9:
Acheron
Asphodel
Fields
Cocytus
Elysium
Erebus
Lethe
Phlegethon
Styx
Tartarus
ivory dragon
Damage reduction only matters if you get hit 🤔
hard holly
Elysium, Isles of the Blessed, and something above ground
tulip timber
Yeah, they probably don't do more than 1 or 2 of the rivers. Just because everyone hates boats.
hard holly
Well that doesnt boat well
glossy slate
My hatred of boats taught me how to consistently avoid mini bosses so that helps at least
tulip timber
Sometimes Charon shop says YOU WILL BOAT.
tulip timber
Well, it says Uuuguggguugghhh. But that means you will boat.
south vortex
eventually, all will boat
hard holly
I wonder how far I can push you, Dr
tulip timber
Relic where all it does is make Charon sound like he is breathing helium.
ivory dragon
would be too strong i think
tulip timber
Thoughts on worst god to offend on the dual-boon rooms?
hard holly
Athena, because it takes forever to clear hers out
ivory dragon
dunno i always just anger Poseidon 😦
tulip timber
Yeah, I picked Athena once. Never again.
Poseidon anger in Asphodel means everything that doesn't fly kills itself.
I've noticed the dual-boons sometimes have a miniboss indicator, but it seems to just be a normal dual-boon room.
glossy slate
I guess the god buff makes it a miniboss
tulip timber
I'm actually not sure what angry Zeus, Artemis, and Aphrodite do. I saw the graphics but I didn't notice any effect.
glossy slate
Although the skull icon seems to just mean stronger than normal
tulip timber
So I usually pick one of those.
glossy slate
Artemis makes them quickly dash towards you when they attack
glossy slate
Can’t remember what Athena does but I do know it’s not nice
hard holly
Aphro also makes them teleport
And they somehow apply weak
Athena makes them invulnerable for a bit
glossy slate
I picked Aphrodite to fight once, got absolutely bodied, and then swore never to do it again
tulip timber
Ah, kay, Aphro and Artemis actually help then. Usually what takes me time is hunting lost bone guys down.
hard holly
Also Zeus makes them teleport
tulip timber
Poseidon is hilarious involuntary surfing.
hard holly
And possibly do damage?
glossy slate
Artemis makes them start their attacks from out of range though
hard holly
You mustve felt quite weak against Aphros goons
glossy slate
Real punishing against thugs early actually
tulip timber
Ares is great, because it highlights how terrible his unbuffed cast is.
hard holly
I like his cast actually
glossy slate
My favorite cast has got to be Aphrodite I think
tulip timber
It's good if you get homing or the legendary vacuum. But otherwise I find it very difficult to use effectively.
Same. I like the love shotgun.
glossy slate
I got an epic version a couple times and was shotgunning enemies apart in Asphodel without even leveling it
hard holly
I think its just good in general
tulip timber
Though a buffed Artemis cast can be your only ability for a clear.
hard holly
Since its a decent chunk of damage you can fire and forget
Best cast is Artemis though
tulip timber
I wish for her to have a T2 ability that pulls dropped shards back to you.
Mostly because sometimes they fall in the lava (or behind the hydra head) and are a pain to collect.
hard holly
Oh yeah, I got an interesting question
The Athena boon that reduces trap damage
If you max it past 100%
glossy slate
Doesn’t her quick cast boon also drag them back to you faster?
hard holly
Do you heal by standing in lava?
worn dawn
Zeus cast is my fav
tulip timber
Gonna guess no on healing lava.
hard holly
Thats shocking
tulip timber
But I have no idea.
ivory dragon
you have a brief window to dash into lava and collect and dash out without taking damage, but yeah it doesnt feel great
glossy slate
Zeus is king against low hp enemies
worn dawn
So satisfying to just clear all the numbskulls
hard holly
It is kind of fitting that the mechanic zeus uses is hitting on everything
glossy slate
Lov tha cronch
tulip timber
I'd usually rather have Zeus dash than cast.
tulip timber
But Zeus dash is another one of those boons that can be run-defining. Because then you just run around and everything dies.
glossy slate
It’s run die-fining then
worn dawn
I dunno, I always aim for Athena dash
glossy slate
Crit life
worn dawn
Makes hydra so much easier to deal with
hard holly
You were supposed to stand against the puns, not join them
glossy slate
Hey I never said I was against puns
tulip timber
I don't like Athena dash that much. The delay bothers me. Anything that mixes up the base timing screws me up.
glossy slate
In fact I’m well known in other servers for divine pun-ishment
hard holly
Its starting to spread
tulip timber
I just wanna zip-zip-zip.
hard holly
Soon it will be a pundemic
worn dawn
I’ve taken it enough times that I’m used to the timing
glossy slate
I’m just salty because I’ve met my match in you
tulip timber
Bow long-charge hammer buff similarly messes me up.
hard holly
Ehehehehehe
ivory dragon
bow long charge is the false prophet
worn dawn
I do find that with the world splitter buff
glossy slate
I take Point-blank over long charge if I don’t have a choice
worn dawn
Timing bugs me
tulip timber
World splitter is okay. I just treat it as a different weapon. Swapping sword for mallet.
Very large YEET potential with Poseidon.
tulip timber
Perfect Shot is probably my favorite because it rewards what I'm already doing.
hard holly
There should be a bow upgrade where you cant see while charging, but do extra damage
You could call it "shot in the dark"
ivory dragon
would be interesting, but im already on muscle memory mostly for the timing haha
id enjoy it
tulip timber
Speaking of not seeing, is that all the smoke clouds in Asphodel do? I never stay in them long enough, but I notice the screen getting darker.
worn dawn
I think so?
glossy slate
Yeah they just darken and blur the screen
glossy slate
Obscure enemies too
tulip timber
I don't want to Asphoxiate.
ivory dragon
guess he couldn't hack it and win
tulip timber
Oh, I did a run with shackle (bonus falling rocks damage). Not worth it.
ivory dragon
yeah but that one mob that one time in the run really felt it
hard holly
Maybe it should instead increase damage of combo chains
tulip timber
I hope they're getting run data on what relics are being used. Some, like the tooth, seem like they could use some love.
hard holly
The worst one is still Nyx
Its so bad Ive got a german pun for it
Buuut noone would get it, soo
ivory dragon
in the documentary episode 1, they mentioned collecting playback info internally about which keepsakes were being picked and ignored and why
tulip timber
I figured. Glad to hear it. Don't really need a 4th, bad, death defy.
ivory dragon
not sure how in depth analytics are in the live scenario, but it shows they care about it at least
some of the keepsakes are pretty good when you are new, but lose all value when you "git gud"
tulip timber
And yeah, I saw pretty much no change with Nyx cloak.
tulip timber
Extra health has value as free additional mid-floor heal. 😃
ivory dragon
until you start dodging more than getting hit
tulip timber
True, I haven't had to use it for a while.
I think even for new players though the tooth, with it's weaker respawn, doesn't do you much good.
ivory dragon
loved them when i was still learning, though, so im not against keeping some as they are haha
formal hill
hey quick question guys
ivory dragon
sure
formal hill
do you know of the fanmade wiki for Hades?
Im trying to find references/codex images of the gods and stuff
just hard to find ^^;
tulip timber
formal hill
thank you so much @tulip timber !
abstract swan
ayy didnt know there was a wiki nice on!
hard holly
If it exists, there is a wiki for it
tulip timber
There's another one that is bad and has basically no info. That's the one that people have actually done stuff with, though some of the numbers are out of date.
formal hill
this helps so much, i love having the renders : D
subtle walrus
Gamepedia is more conveinient for games based on repeated runs
When it comes to interface and stuff
Much quicker to organize
ivory dragon
Welcome back home, son
tawdry sleet
clip demonstrating shield with poseidon even after hammer removed it: https://streamable.com/fnng3
tulip timber
Nice crystal-herding.
abstract swan
i need to test a shield build with only special and cast as primary dmg
pastel jolt
i mean, it maks sense to me that if the hammer takes away knockback, getting knockback through a boon later on would give your knockback back to you
tulip timber
I think during that run he got Poseidon first, and then hammer (no knockback damage buff) later.
That order made it not as obvious.
hard holly
So you mean you need to test a cast-only build
tawdry sleet
I've had the worst luck ever this run
almost every door choice is darkness / ambrosia / key with the occasional Heart +25 thrown in...
no boons or poms 😦
sturdy raft
So, as an anecdote, I've made it to the end boss twice. Both times with an Ares shield Special build, with the additional delayed damage and more enemy bounces. Never been anywhere close with anything else. It seems maybe a bit too strong, I can mostly clear rooms without seeing the enemies much.
And maybe more importantly, it feels pretty passive.
tulip timber
Gotta get that sweet story dialogue:
https://imgur.com/gallery/I8HFBDK
It's hard to judge "too strong" with only two floors.
lost rose
i hate that the only version of this that i can find is deepfried to tartarus and back but also
sturdy raft
Yeah, true, it feels a lot safer than many other options. Too strong is a bit silly to say
tulip timber
It's like bow but your weapon breaks sometimes by not coming back to you.
sturdy raft
but might keep damaging enemies that are not even in sight
it should leave me vulnerable true, but been able to dash effectively to counteract that
tulip timber
True. I found shield special kind of slow even when it was effective. Just because it's a lot of blind firing.
tawdry sleet
Bow + crit + damage seems easiest to me
since you have the high damage output + safety of distance and the passthrough to clear multiple enemies
Just did my 4th bow completion 😄
sturdy raft
Dash crits?
tawdry sleet
Indeedy
tulip timber
I'm trying some dumber stuff with bow, and it's still fairly effective. Had a successful bow special with Aphrodite. 😃
sturdy raft
yeah, dash crits is the other thing that I've found very effective
yeah, been wanting to try a backstab bow special build 😄
would be interesting to see how high the damage goes with Artemis dash crits and point blank bonus
tulip timber
Bow special is... not very good compared to bow attack.
lost rose
idk, there's something viscerally satisfying about getting double special arrows and then just letting loose at close range
tulip timber
This is true. I wish you could dash cancel out of the animation though.
lost rose
As a crowd control tactic it's iffy at best, but if you get right up in enemies' faces it's pretty cool
pastel jolt
i tried to take ares dash on the last run i did but it felt like it never really hit anything that much
tulip timber
Ares blade pools really need the homing (T2) or vacuum (Leg) to do much. I kind of think the dash version could stand to be larger.
pastel jolt
i'm getting better at getting more darkness per run though. i'm nowhere near maxing out the mirror but [clenches fist] someday,,,
tulip timber
I got dash with the legendary vacuum once. That was very fun.
hard holly
Honestly, shield special probably needs a rework
Its pretty bad and teaches people bad habits
tulip timber
As something completely different from throw?
Or just a more consistent, mechanically better throw?
tulip timber
Just have it go out and not come back. And when you get back to start place it is a whip.
tulip timber
I think I would like it more if it showed a reticle on whatever it would hit if you threw it. Right now it's kind of just "something that way" and sometimes it is nothing.
I feel like that is already happening, I just can't see the reticle.
glossy slate
@pastel jolt if you’re trying for darkness on a run I recommend bringing the Poseidon keepsake, you can get enormous amounts with the Ocean’s Bounty boon
pastel jolt
yeah, i've just been having real bad boon luck lately
glossy slate
I average about 300 a go
glossy slate
🇫
hard holly
Yeah, keys suck
Got like 70 of the blasted things
What the time til the next update again?
pastel jolt
it updates on the 15th
hard holly
Neat
tawdry sleet
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo my game just crashed on a really promising sword run
at hydra
.................
glossy slate
you're fine, it autosaves at the start of every room
tawdry sleet
🤞 oh mama pls
glossy slate
Nova build or World Splitter?
hard holly
World Splitter
tawdry sleet
I opted for the 300% armour damage one
hard holly
Its a cut above the rest
tawdry sleet
my game won't launch
glossy slate
I just spent most of this run struggling through and barely surviving off Ares bow specials and Aphrodite casts
and then in the span of 3 rooms I got triple shot, Hunter's Dash, and an epic Divine Strike
The streak shall remain unbroken
hard holly
Eh, 4/10
glossy slate
I tried
glossy slate
oof
I'm up to 9 wins in a row now
let's see how long I can go before I inevitably screw it up
hard holly
Perhaps its time to bow out before you embarass yourself
hard holly
Experiment 57 of the weaponized pun project is a success
tawdry sleet
I honestly think a sword run will forever escape me
it's just too hard to not get hit in the chaos when the weapon demands you get up close and personal
hard holly
Just go for a world splitter run
And do dash double taps
And charges when there are a lot of enemies
true dock
Stack revenge damage and just swing for the fences in the middle of them 
frosty pier
Is it normal that I feel like there is a stream of molten cheese going down my face, after I spammed down the hydra with 400-ish damage cast?
oak wedge
nah, this game is easier to cheese than people think. I've beaten it with every weapon using 90%+ special spam only
ares OP on specials since most specials are easy to hit things with
oak wedge
trick is dodge -> shoot -> dodge -> shoot...
forest marsh
With the addendum that your "shoot" be a power shot
@ornate sinew Bugs (including typos) can be reported in-game by pressing F10 rather than posting as feedback 👍
ornate sinew
Okay I read the bugs part, but didn't know typos are included
Even searched both feedback channels if it was posted before. Maybe that's why ¯_(ツ)_/¯
forest marsh
It's quite likely that any that were posted have been deleted in the new feedback channel. That particular typo may not have been reported in the old feedback channel where we used to report bugs as well
ornate sinew
Sorry, but thanks 👍
forest marsh
Hey, no worries 
ornate sinew
Just won again against Hydra and made a report of the typo with F10. deleted the message in the feedback channel.
cold cave
oh man
solid iris
Minnesota main Duck duck?
cold cave
ive only beaten meg once before (new player here) but i just got ares's special attack upgrade for the shield and an epic (165 damage at lv2) cast upgrade from zeus
made that fight such a breeze tbh
forest marsh
Nice!
glossy slate
bring on Big Zappy™
go for zeus some more if you get the chance, one of his upgrades adds a bunch more bounces to the cast
cold cave
yeah
glossy slate
and a rare one after just floods the screen with lightning whenever one of his buffs activates
forest marsh
And then say goodbye to your bloodstones 
true dock
ez murder boat
I think I stepped in the lava on Hydra, or it woudl have been true hitless fight
ivory dragon
congrats!
hollow notch
I didn't do a screenshot, thought that one would just come up 😄
It was mostly Zeus, and one from Athena, the dmg reduction
Oh, I also had the athena special, but I barely used the special this time
radiant compass
Artemis es #1.
tawdry sleet
Random thought but it'd be cool if there was a little icon on the UI to represent the weapon used on the current run
Especially useful for seeing screenshots like that and quickly knowing what weapon is used
Maybe a bit niche
turbid needle
Does anyone know when the "flood" rooms come up? The oens where you have to survive for a set time limit?
I really struggle with those sometimes (depends on the enemy types that show up)
And sometimes I get 2 of these, sometimes none - it's strange.
split flicker
rough condor
yeah it is rng if you get them or not
turbid needle
I see. 😃
The rooms I have to pass until I get to Meg can differ too right? Because sometimes I can choose to go to the room with Mr.Procrastinator (Sisyphus) a lot earlier than others.
Maybe the chance of the flood rooms happening should increase, the longer you stay and avoid going to meg?
rough condor
you cannot avoid going to meg. it is a set amount of rooms to meet her
the second shop you will encounter/have to choose if you want to enter is the room before meg
turbid needle
I sometimes had the choice to go to the "second shop" room, or to another room. If I'd go for the second shop, the next room would definitely be Meg.
But if I go to the other room, I get to have at least one more room (the room I just chose) before I get the second shop and then Meg. Sometimes more. Is that incorrect? I was really sure that happened with my last run.
Basically, I highly doub it is a set amount of rooms to met Meg. It's more like 6-9 or something
On the other hand you apparently killed the Hydra 223 times. Maybe I should listen to what you are saying 😂 I will definitely test it out and count the rooms soon
turbid needle
Nice stream btw 😃
rough condor
no that is not correct. it is either shop room or just 1 free pom/boon before meg
errant narwhal
sometimes it’s a heart
turbid needle
I see thanks man 😃 Not much of a twitch guy, but I'll give your stream a look every now and then :] Your insights into balancing in your last videos were highly appreciated. Maybe make a post in self-promotion if you haven't done so yet.
rough condor
thanks a lot! doing self promo everytime i go live!
rough condor
3 death defiance left 
pastel jolt
it got reeeeeal close at the end of the fight, there
but after i got tempest strike, barely anything hit me
tender zephyr
Perfect Shot 250% power increase
That looks like it might be a bit too strong.
pastel jolt
shhhhhhhhhh it's delicious
also in fairness my damage outside of dash-attacking was abysmal
tulip timber
Perfect shot is satisfying and rewards skill at timing the bow power shot. 😃
If you don't hit power shots it does nothing.
And based on how bow is not universally recognized as the best thing, not everyone hits their power shots. 😃
pastel jolt
maaaaan
i just lost a really good worldsplitter sword + ares attack combo run in asphodel
bloody witches >>
pastel jolt
bow is a goddamn delight if you can nail the timing
worn dawn
Blade flurry is life
pastel jolt
there's something so satisfying about the pattern of dash - attack - dash - attack - dash - attack through an entire room of enemies
worn dawn
One day I’ll work out how to do that 😛
rough condor
in my opinion current most fun build is sword > flurry blade > zeus lightning attack > increased lightning strikes > zeus legendary
tulip timber
I think it's the clicking really. The bow / controller auto-aim feels REALLY good.
rough condor
the screen just explodes from all these lightningballs flying around
worn dawn
Seconded
Flurry blade explosions everywhere is life
Though I’ve also been enjoying flurry blade Athena
And just being invincible
tulip timber
I dunno, getting Artemis bonus cast balls on attack is pretty nuts.
Particularly with bow.
pastel jolt
so my dark thirst weapon this time around is the shield - what god boons work well with it? i use it a lot less now that i've gotten better with the bow lmao
rough condor
the build which works best with shield is ares q and attack
pastel jolt
i was thinking of taking athena's keepsake to get some deflect going
rough condor
it is the easiest one to complete a run.
tulip timber
Athena attack is v. good.
worn dawn
I like Athena dash on shield as well
pastel jolt
but hey, two for two on ares
worn dawn
So you don’t die while your Q is off having adventures
tulip timber
Poseidon attack on shield for max YEET.
rough condor
but it is always my opinion. try it out but dont take it for granted 
pastel jolt
eh, i've tried athena's dash before and it actually got me killed because it slowed down my dodgy dodgy fun times
rough condor
yeah i dont like athena dash either
worn dawn
Same the first few times, but now I love it 😛
rough condor
why should i slow down myself?
worn dawn
Just needed to get used to the new timing
pastel jolt
i like being able to triple dash and yeet myself across the map
rough condor
thats the spirit sparrow
pastel jolt
i panic dash so much
oh man, i took ares' keepsake, left the house, and got the rare version of his attack boon the moment i landed
this will be a fun run
tulip timber
Ares attack, instant bow charge hammer buff.
Just plink plink plink all day and run away with dashes.
Lightning dash better than artemis in that build.
worn dawn
Sweet
tulip timber
If you can tack on some DR from someone's T2, all the better. Athena retribution is king, but Zeus is also pretty good.
pastel jolt
wait, wouldn't ares attack be a bad idea if you're spamming? that'd mean the curse would never actually go off
tulip timber
My experience was it didn't delay the curse, you just couldn't stack multiple.
And anyway, you usually plink one or two then run around dropping lightning bolts.
tulip timber
Honestly, you get a good zeus dash and stack poms, you don't need much else.
Even with no charge bow shot, you're not spamming the same way you do with blade flurry.
It's about 2 per second or so.
tawdry sleet
I have a vague idea but just to confirm
What do people mean when they say T2
Second tier boon?
tulip timber
T1 are anything that attach to abilities. Attack, Special, Cast, Dash.
T2 start showing up after you have 1-2 T1 boons.
Mostly passives / reactives.
tulip timber
Legendary Boons (T3 I guess) require you to have usually at least 2 specific boons from a particular god (varies by God, some have more choices that can trigger legendary showing up).
tulip timber
BREAK HIS POTS.
pastel jolt
tawdry sleet
Are there any examples of legendary boons? @tulip timber
pastel jolt
aphrodite's legendary boon sometimes charms enemies when you apply weak to them
tulip timber
Zeus has a spawn extra lightning thing.
pastel jolt
poseidon's legendary applies your knockback an extra time
tawdry sleet
Hammer or hearty IMO
tulip timber
Ares makes his bladestorms a vacuum.
tulip timber
You have a VERY low chance of getting 3 special hammer buffs for shield.
Everything else is fine and will help you.
pastel jolt
hammer it is then, i don't think this build will make it to hydra anyways so at this point i'm just like
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tulip timber
I'd suggest 20% DR if available.
tulip timber
Nice. You'll notice the difference, believe me. And since you've got Athena showing up could get her reactive deflect thing.
Then you might change your tune about getting to Hydra.
pastel jolt
WHOOPS
that's the first time in about 20 runs i've lost to meg
i feel humiliated, frankly
tulip timber
Get greedy? 😃
Oh, you were kinda low already. Didn't notice in the earlier screenshot.
It is quite annoying when Athena boon in shop offers me 100 obols for the 150 obol boon I just bought.
hollow notch
You got 4 poms before Meg... nice
worn dawn
So much fruit
tulip timber
I'm happy if I get 2 on first floor. Frankly, I'm happy if I get a boon or hammer to start with and not a damn heart.
pastel jolt
if you remember when you could get obols as your starting item you qualify for a veteran's discount
tulip timber
Obols @ start. Ick.
hard holly
Because as it stands Ares' upgrades to attack and special are pretty bad
Except technically on shield special, but shield special is bad so that doesnt count
tulip timber
I think they just don't scale as well with skill as the other attack / special buffs. But they are much more newbie friendly.
hard holly
Fair
pastel jolt
ares on attack is pretty nice, but ares on special i tend to forget about
tulip timber
Which I think is fine for some, it's just frustrating with half the gods.
hard holly
The main problem is just that if you get any kind of attack boosts, or keep attacking
Ares is just bad
pastel jolt
i think ares attack works best on slower weapons, like the shield or worldsplitter sword
hard holly
Why have 90 static damage on every 3rd attack
Instead of 200 damage on every attack
Worldsplitter is way better with regular stuff
Especially if you get crit dash
pastel jolt
i've yet to test out ares attack on the bow, assumign you're going for the good ol dash routine
hard holly
But even without, thanks to backstab, you just do more damage by doing regular attacks with Athenas or Poseidons boon
tulip timber
I think it is really hard to make balance determinations right now. I like the feel of Ares. It may need some juice once more floors and gods are available. It's hard to say right now. But yeah, currently, you want to hit hard and fast and Ares falls behind pretty fast as you get better at the mechanics of the game.
tulip timber
My first few runs though I thought Ares was the hotness.
hard holly
Ares is already bad, but he will fall behind further and further as we get more floors
Then again, maybe well get a major rework of the core mechanics to be more like Transistor
Because the current system has ..., well, flaws
tulip timber
I'm not sure the comparison is apt. Transistor was about accumulating power through a story campaign; death wasn't really a feature. And the current system isn't completely in place. We're missing half the pantheon and half the weapons. Maybe Ares as currently implemented will work better with, say, a sling. 😃 Where your normal attack has ricochet.
tawdry sleet
example of how I'm slightly addicted to this game
I saw a guy at work's skype pic in the little circular preview and thought it was a pom at first
had to do a double take
hard holly
I mean, its more that Transistors mechanics were better-suited for a roguelite
As it stands, you already hit a point where boons you get are largely pointless
tulip timber
I wouldn't be opposed to them letting you stack multiple procs of Ares though. That would probably bring it more in line with the others.
hard holly
Having the ability to use a boon to set your main attacks properties, then a few more boons to give them secondary benefits would fit a roguelite better
tulip timber
We've learned to min-max the current suite of options for a small % of the underworld we have to crawl through. And I think more gods will reduce consistency of getting things like huge attack + crit dash. So you'll have to make do with less than optimum loadouts.
hard holly
As it stands, you tend to just try to go all-in on Artemis after you get an attack upgrade because she is the only one who has a ton of boons you could get way after upgrading the rest
tulip timber
I also think the swapping relics between floors to target a specific god's boon will become very important.
hard holly
Otherwise you run into situations where, for example, Athena only offers you gold
tawdry sleet
re: ares boon, it definitely feels like a more newbie friendly option
I initially picked it up a lot when I was first playing because it was a bit of a cheese strat being able to hit something, run away and then it hopefully die
hard holly
Because you already got everything else
tawdry sleet
but now the likes of Athena or Poseidon is a more enticing offer
tulip timber
I dunno, I just don't think enough is implemented to judge the current content on its own.
tulip timber
It's fun, and most of the weapons feel good once you learn them. I think that's enough proof of concept for now. I expect things will get exponentially more interesting the more that is added. Then again, I'm an optimist and Supergiant has a good track record.
hard holly
I mean, I agree with that
I just think that it will need some form of rework at some point
To become exponentially more interesting
tulip timber
That's likely. Or at least a pretty significant balance overhaul.
I don't know what that'll look like at this point, but I doubt they template off of Transistor. That's boring and easy. 😃
But they have the current gods, several waiting in the wings. There's a LOT of source material to work with for inspiration for other buff lines (boons, hammer, ???).
pastel jolt
fun fact: during her ground aoe attack meg isn't invulnerable
hard holly
Why change what aint broke?
Id love it to be similiar to Transistor
Thats one of my favourite systems of all time
pastel jolt
fun fact #2: there's just enough time between each of the sets of circles to charge and fire the bow at her
tulip timber
Yeah, and a lot of times on Meg she'll do the circles around you and give you a nice little island.
So you don't even have to move.
Why not similar to Transistor: not that I think it's a bad idea, I just think it's very unlikely. Bastion, Transistor, and Pyre have all had very different systems. I think Hades could use some more punch, but I expect them to do something surprising rather than reskinning something they've done. I am eager to see what that might be.
pastel jolt
i usually end up panic-dashing anyway :'D