#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 179

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Artemis has good flavour I feel

indigo compass Dec 23, 2018, 6:57 PM

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artemis is def my favourite

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 6:57 PM

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He's the God of a ton of things

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Hnm

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Artemis is my favorite god. Personality and boons alike.

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 6:57 PM

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I suppose they could work the sun angle

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 6:57 PM

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same

indigo compass Dec 23, 2018, 6:57 PM

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my favourite character in the game so far is meg:)

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 6:57 PM

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And give him dots from burning people

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Sun would be cool, like an aura that damages enemies

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Apollo is the sun chariot dude right?

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 6:58 PM

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I feel like Hera will be the hardest to do boons for

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 6:58 PM

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I would love to do some unofficial polls on here. Like, asking who everyone's favorite personality was, who everyone picks the most, etc.

indigo compass Dec 23, 2018, 6:58 PM

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yeah , think most picked is prolly artemis:p

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Yeeah, especially dash with spear

indigo compass Dec 23, 2018, 6:59 PM

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i run with artemis like 80 percent of the time or more

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 6:59 PM

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Hera dipped, didn't she? There's a bunch of flavor text about her falling out with Zeus. Or I could be recalling wrongly...

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 6:59 PM

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In Hades or actual greek lore haha

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 6:59 PM

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Hestia sounds harder than Hera imo

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 6:59 PM

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They were married I think and he went around with a lot of other women and she got mad at that

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I think

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 7:00 PM

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I remember one of the gods talking about Zeus' falling out with Hera. She's also mentioned in one of the weapon's lore.

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:00 PM

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I think they both just got with a ton of other people

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Terrible relationship honestly

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:00 PM

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Dionysus could be used instead of Hestia and make enemies drunk or something

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idk

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:00 PM

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But yeah she used to wield coranacht

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Lmao drunk enemies would be funny

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Well, Zeus cheats on Hera constantly and she keeps killing his children as revenge because Gods aren't allowed to fight directly

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Maybe it could reduce an enemies accuracy

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:01 PM

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So yeah, they fall out a lot

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:01 PM

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So they miss sometimes

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I feel like that would make it distinct enough from weak

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:02 PM

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"Queen of the gods and the goddess of marriage, women, childbirth and family" maybe Hera could have calling upon allies such as achilles and depending on how high your heart rating the higher the strength

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It'd provide more screen time for everyone in the palace rather than NPCs you sometimes talk to after each death or you skip them

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:04 PM

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It's worth remembering that Dionysus is the God of madness, not just wine, so maybe cause enemies to attack randomly? - hearting friend and foe?

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:04 PM

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I'd love to see a skill that turns enemies like the love effect in transistor

indigo compass Dec 23, 2018, 7:04 PM

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aphro legendary is already charm

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Aphro legendary does that

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Ye

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Oh, ok

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I have yet to see any legendary perks

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How rare are they lol

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Pretty rare, I've not been disappointed with any of them though

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I think the criteria is to have 3 boons from that god already

indigo compass Dec 23, 2018, 7:05 PM

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idk i dont like any of em so far:p

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Oh, ok

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What legendariea does ares have

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:05 PM

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I would love to get boons from hades

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Ares

indigo compass Dec 23, 2018, 7:06 PM

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the artemis one seems kinda useless if u allready have enough dmg

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:06 PM

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He's my fave to start with

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Pulls in enemies into your death ball thing

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Seeking epic blade rifts

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Are the best

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Artemis I find a lot of fun, especially with sword and spear where it spawns a lot of projectiles

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Artemis legendary with blade flurryyyy.

indigo compass Dec 23, 2018, 7:09 PM

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flurry blade is cool yeah

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Blade flurry and Athena deflect is also a lot of fun

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its like baseball

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With ranged enemies

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Lul

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:09 PM

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From what I can tell, rare and legendary boons aren't unique, they're just more powerful versions of the normal ones

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:10 PM

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I would have to disagree

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They are very unique

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 7:10 PM

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I really really like sword, even though it's nowhere near the optimal weapon. I love it dearly.

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Sword was my 1st weapon to beat hydra pre-buff

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Sword q builds are neat

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Esp once you get deflect and double radius

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:10 PM

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legendary boons are unique and there's only one per god

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:11 PM

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Wait why are all the mods named dusa lol

grand patrol Dec 23, 2018, 7:11 PM

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mod dusa
medusa

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:11 PM

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I love that as soon as you said that I saw all the mods typing lul

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:11 PM

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shenanigans

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:11 PM

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And why are you not with the program @pastel jolt

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:12 PM

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I mean, I'm pretty sure any given boon, the dash lightning strike for example, can be common, rare or legendary, each just increases the damage

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:12 PM

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No, each legendary is unique

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:12 PM

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hey hey hey i put a snakey hiss at the start

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:12 PM

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hades_Wiki

Hades Wiki

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:12 PM

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I can list them if you'd like

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Heh I guess

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Epic is the highest tier for each 'standard' boon

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:12 PM

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You can look up the boons there Are legendarie boons

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Tier 1 & Tier 2 can be:
Common, rare, epic
Tier 3 can be:
Legendary.

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:13 PM

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shrug I don't really care, but I'm pretty sure I've seen the same abilities be called common or rare, at different times

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Epic boons: more powerful versions of each ability sponsored by Epic Games(TM)

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:13 PM

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yeah, boons can be standard, rare, or epic

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the legendary ones are only legendary

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Yeah, you are correct but epic is the highest it goes

viscid wing Dec 23, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Hi guys, just played the tutorial run and are you supposed to die on the first mini boss? The two bomb guys? I died as soon I took the armor off by nothing.

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Oh, I see

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:14 PM

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i mean, you are supposed to die at some point

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:14 PM

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@viscid wing dying happens lol, no biggie

turbid needle Dec 23, 2018, 7:14 PM

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The boon stats might not be fully up to date after the last patch on the wiki

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:14 PM

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the point of the game is dying a lot

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:14 PM

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I died forty times getting my first hydra kill

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Because I'm trash

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 7:15 PM

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@viscid wing
It's where most people die. Keep playing! There's a lot to get used to. You'll get permanent upgrades as well, to help you delve further.

viscid wing Dec 23, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Yea I know I'm supposed to die but look at this gif of my death :/ https://gfycat.com/SecondaryGlossyAzurevase

Gfycat

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Once you get used to them you'll be able to no touch them

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Welcome @viscid wing - It's a rogue-like, so dying is ineviable

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:15 PM

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you died because a bomb blew up on you, it happens

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 7:16 PM

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You were in the bombs radius, yeah.

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:16 PM

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You were just inside the radius of the bomb yeah

stray radish Dec 23, 2018, 7:16 PM

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rip

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:16 PM

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They are deceptively big

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:16 PM

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i kinda wish there was some kind of radius marking on those things tbh

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:16 PM

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It has that big of a radius?

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:16 PM

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But it isn't one of those typical supposed to lose fights per say

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Whenever I see one I just dash like hell

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Lols

stray radish Dec 23, 2018, 7:16 PM

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and you dont really see the explosion cause you died at this moment

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Laughs in deflect

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Deflect is so much fun watching it bounce back

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Laughs in tried to deflect and messed up the timing before getting hit by a bomb

viscid wing Dec 23, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Yea maybe the missing visual was the feedback I needed why I died :/

stray radish Dec 23, 2018, 7:17 PM

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wait... you can deflect those??

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Yes

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 7:17 PM

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You could argue that the bomb needs a few frames to signify it's exploding before it registers as a hurt box, but you learn the timing as you play.

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Laughs in thinking he deflected the bomb and then proceds to die right on top of it

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:17 PM

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I would love a little circle (like with meg) to show the radius of the bomb exploding

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:17 PM

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you can, but i've never gotten the timing down

stray radish Dec 23, 2018, 7:17 PM

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i guess i just never tried cause i was too busy dashing away XD

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:18 PM

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If you have sword with Athena spec you can literally clear the encounter zero hits by standing in the middle of the room spamming q

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:18 PM

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@cold oriole there now i'm dusa too

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Solid 10/10

grand patrol Dec 23, 2018, 7:18 PM

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toosa

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:18 PM

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I did my good deed for the day mods, pressured sparrow into a dusa name

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:18 PM

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I love the gradual zoom in of mad, kam and kimo dusa

worldly warren Dec 23, 2018, 7:18 PM

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duuusa

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:19 PM

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here's a dusa, there's a dusa, and another little dusa

worldly warren Dec 23, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Several people are typing

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Dusa is adorable

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:19 PM

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The reasons Hades hates Zagreus is because of his puns

viscid wing Dec 23, 2018, 7:19 PM

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So how does the deflect system work, you can basically throw the bombs away and they do 100% of the normal damage?

knotty delta Dec 23, 2018, 7:19 PM

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63 attempts and still can't beat the stupid hydra....feelsbad

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:19 PM

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scaly dusa, funny dusa, dusa dusa ven.

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:19 PM

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I just want to cuddle her tbh

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:19 PM

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I was actually mad at Nyx when she told dusa to not talk to us first

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Exactly my thoughs @analog crystal

grand patrol Dec 23, 2018, 7:20 PM

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alja i got it on #92 keep trying!!

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:20 PM

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She's pretty smol, surely we can fit her in a backpack and take her to Olympus with us ;-;

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:21 PM

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I would love to get boons from dusa

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:21 PM

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We need a dusa plusie

lost rose Dec 23, 2018, 7:21 PM

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dusa dusa ven..........

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Dusa backstory DLC when?????

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Play as dusa cleaning the palace DLC when

stray radish Dec 23, 2018, 7:21 PM

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D in DLC stands for Dusa

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Dusa Loves Cleaning

grand patrol Dec 23, 2018, 7:23 PM

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dusa's lovable content

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:23 PM

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@grand patrol can mods get in contact with supergiant devs? 👏 make this happen 👏

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Oh god I just looked up the god family tree. It can't be unseen

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Zeus is married to hera, his wife

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I think

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HIS SISTER

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Ofc shes his wife lmao

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:25 PM

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That's pretty typical for Gods man, are you actually supised?

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:26 PM

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I would honestly buy a Dusa plush instantly

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And I never buy game merch

grand patrol Dec 23, 2018, 7:26 PM

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we get in touch w sgg devs all the time they say haha funney snake

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:27 PM

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As they should

grand patrol Dec 23, 2018, 7:27 PM

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HDHDJH SRSLY THO I DONT THINK WE CAN LIKE...PRESSURE THEM FOR DLC KFMBMB

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Yeah but you can pressure them for a plush

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Can we do polls on this channel?

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If we get 100 votes for dusa DLC maybe....

vapid mauve Dec 23, 2018, 7:28 PM

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dusa playable character???

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:28 PM

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The dusa merch line

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A plush, a feather duster, and a full array of cleaning supplies

grand patrol Dec 23, 2018, 7:28 PM

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if we were the kinda ppl who pressured them? They would not have modded us :p

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Going back to what I said earlier though, I would love for Hera to be able to bring NPCs to help you, like Dusa gives healing items, Achilles fights with you etc. Dusa for assistant plz

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Learn to clean with dusa dlc

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Learn what dark secrets lurk up in the rafters

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:29 PM

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~~Dusa isnt even that good~~

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:30 PM

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It's funny because you are objectively wrong

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Google how to delete someone from a server

grand patrol Dec 23, 2018, 7:30 PM

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cmon, cmon, in the middle of a dusa love thread, really,

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Highest concentration of people to convert

grand patrol Dec 23, 2018, 7:30 PM

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WELL......fair,

vapid mauve Dec 23, 2018, 7:30 PM

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"several people are typing...."

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Angery reacts only

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Dusa is too loveable

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Dusa is just boneless Meg

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Possibly literally?

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Snakes still have bones 😛

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Dusa is just stoneless bouldy

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Imo... I dont like meg

vapid mauve Dec 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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meg is a mean lady

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Veri mean

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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You are so wrong uno

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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She called me an idiot

vapid mauve Dec 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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rude!

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Meg is Tsundre and Dusa is chibi

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No relation whatsoever

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Hydra is yandere

formal hill Dec 23, 2018, 7:32 PM

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My gf loooovessss dusa

hollow totem Dec 23, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Oof

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Dusa made Bouldy by turning a roundboi into stone don't @ me

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Meg is a little too Tsundre for my tastes

formal hill Dec 23, 2018, 7:32 PM

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she freaks out when I stream it on discord and I specifically talk to Dusa to make her go "!!"

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so I would buy a dusa plush for her for sure

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:33 PM

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I would love a dusa plush that can float up

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Imagine if we had to fight Dusa though, she would instantly petrify us, one hit kill for sure

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Its got a balloon inside that can fill with helium

formal hill Dec 23, 2018, 7:33 PM

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magnet in a base, magnet at the bottom of dusa

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:33 PM

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She's probably the games final boss with how powerful she is

lost rose Dec 23, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Lmao @analog crystal we moderate but it really, honestly, seriously doesn't give us any "sway" with the sgg folks. we're happy to be here and helping out but we're not like a direct line to the development process, our work is unrelated to that.

formal hill Dec 23, 2018, 7:33 PM

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As someone who's a mod in another server, mood @lost rose

lost rose Dec 23, 2018, 7:33 PM

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You're best off just submitting feedback

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Heck, dusa dlc 😢

lost rose Dec 23, 2018, 7:34 PM

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That's what the channel is for after all

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:34 PM

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@lost rose already on it

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: ^)

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Guys, please don't pester the Devs XD - remember it's still in early access, let them finish the game before you ask for DLC or Mods

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Dusa dlc or general etiquette tough choice

vapid mauve Dec 23, 2018, 7:37 PM

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It's all in good fun

grand patrol Dec 23, 2018, 7:37 PM

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dusa would want u to be polite uou

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Aw we aren't pestering them

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Just being proper dusa enthusiasts

stray radish Dec 23, 2018, 7:37 PM

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im sure they'll think of merch eventually. like when they're done with actual game xD

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:38 PM

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Early access merch that gets recalled for game updates makes perfect sense to me

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:39 PM

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Merch to provide cash to boost early access development 🤔

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:39 PM

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Meg isnt Tsundere as much as you are kind of making her job hard

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She is working customer service and youre that kind of customer

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:39 PM

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Supergiant has got to be the world's last studio that anyone actually trusts with early access and preorder

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:39 PM

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You know the one

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:40 PM

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She went too far! She called me an idiot

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Them and maybe CDPR

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Anyway, Dusa feels like a hyperactive kid with a crush

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So Im not particularly fond of her

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:40 PM

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But yeah I agree, the repeatedly killing me was fine but calling me idiot and telling me to go home crosses the line

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 7:40 PM

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I really like the interactions with Meg as you get more hearts

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:41 PM

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Meg is probably the most sensible and mature person in the underworld

vapid mauve Dec 23, 2018, 7:41 PM

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idk, Achilles is legit

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:41 PM

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Meg is a meanie

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:41 PM

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True, Achilles is high up as well

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:41 PM

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I feel like nyx and Achilles are both more mature

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Eh, Nyx is not terribly sensible if were being honest

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Charon is most mature skeletor

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Uuuuuuuurgh

vapid mauve Dec 23, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Charon knows what he wants, and how to get it

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Meg is pretty a n g e r y but that doesn't make her mature

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Sis is a nice man too

keen badger Dec 23, 2018, 7:43 PM

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anyone else notice that the characters only get exclamation marks over their heads when they have something new to say but Dusa gets one pretty much every time she sees you regardless of whether her line is new or not?

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Meg is just irritable because her sisters are up fighting a war and she's left behind dealing with Zag

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Nyx didn't get anymore ambrosia from me ever since she told of dusa

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Sis is zagreus future husbando

vapid mauve Dec 23, 2018, 7:43 PM

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but what about bouldy?

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Yeah sis is taken

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Meg is mature because she is doing her job, and is professional about it

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Do u guys think cerb will be a boss?

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:44 PM

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And she is not afraid to talk about the fact that the house is falling apart

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Excuse me it's 2018 a man can be with a Boulder and another man

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 7:44 PM

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I don't think Cerberus will be a boss, but I do think the Olympians will be

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:44 PM

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My guess is

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:45 PM

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Yeah, considering theres only 4 levels of the underworld

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Olympus is next

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:45 PM

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Next boss is possibly the other furies

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4th boss is Thanatos

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And if we get a fifth boss, it might be a whole nother character

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:45 PM

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Imagine slowly losing your perks as you ascend Olympus taking the gods on

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:45 PM

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Gaia or uranos

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Maybe

vapid mauve Dec 23, 2018, 7:45 PM

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escape from hades, in olympus, tell them you want to find your mom, Zeus says no and you jump out the window there instead

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:45 PM

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Losing perks sounds so cool

dense holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:46 PM

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why would olympians be a boss if they want to help

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probably the other mentioned furies or even hades

stray radish Dec 23, 2018, 7:46 PM

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never trust the olympians

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:46 PM

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@dense holly zagreus is literally planning to backstab the gods

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:46 PM

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Yeah but after the underworld where would you go

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:46 PM

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And ditch then to go find his mom

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:47 PM

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They arent gonna do 4 floors only i think

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:47 PM

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They will not be happy about that

dense holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:47 PM

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as they aren't when you don't pick them

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i'd go along those lines

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:48 PM

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Yeah but after they get happy with u again

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 7:48 PM

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Adding more floors than 4 could make the runs a bit too long

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:48 PM

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There could be a new home base after you escape hades

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:48 PM

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Ive played binding of isaac so im used to 1h runs but i appreciate non roguelite players not wanting that

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:48 PM

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Skelly shows up with all your stuff kek

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 7:48 PM

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I have a feeling that if you get out of the underworld, there will be a new "home" location for the next stage(s)

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:49 PM

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'wtf skelly how did u get out'

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'ah come on boyo, can't expect me to be revealing my secrets now can you?'

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:50 PM

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I doubt that the Olympians will be a boss

hoary jewel Dec 23, 2018, 7:50 PM

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So... I beat Meg once, but have yet to do so again. sigh I kinda wish there was a difficulty level switch thingee for those of us who aren't as skilled as others.

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Just because of the storyline aspect

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:50 PM

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i have a crackpot theory that persephone sent skelly and that's why he won't share who hired him

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Youre gonna continue escaping the underworld after beating the game

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:50 PM

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I have a theory that Dusa hired him

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Olympian fights would be so much fun

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 7:51 PM

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wait this is the gameplay channel

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:51 PM

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So if you get them so angry they want to kill you

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 7:51 PM

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They could attack with their boons

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 7:51 PM

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Theyd never give you boons again

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 7:51 PM

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Maybe Hades hired Skelly because he secretly wants Zagreus to find Persephone

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 7:51 PM

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@pastel jolt uhhhhhh

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 8:02 PM

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@hard holly they already do that, when there's a duel of competing boons

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 8:02 PM

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So what do you think of Minotaur as another boss

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 8:03 PM

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uh, no, trials of the gods don't lock you out of that god's boons

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 8:04 PM

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thats what im saying.

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getting into scuffles with gods, makes them fight you, and then they go back to their niceties

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 8:04 PM

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Thats more of a minor slight

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Not a direct full on confrontation like a boss fight would be

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:06 PM

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I feel like the god would be like, haha good fight ill get u next time cousin

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Its more like "you fought out of the underworld not to join us, but to go see Persephone? Why should we help you"

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Wouldn't be too far off, given a bit of supporting dialogue.
"Now now, I know we've had our differences in the past, but I think we can make this work! I'm just glad you've come to your senses. A life on Olympus would be wonderful? No? Just forget about those nasty parents of yours."

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:08 PM

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And i feel like it would be a missed oppertunity not to fight the gods

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Maybe fighting the titans would be cool too though

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 8:08 PM

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I get that it'd be a stretch. I'd still like to see them try. But i wouldn't mind other routes at all. I welcome the unexpected.

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:08 PM

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Using the gods strength

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Fight the reawakened titans

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 8:09 PM

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p sure the narrative is that we're using the titan's strength to get up there, and that will have unforseen consequences. but i dunno! happy to see whatever comes

proud storm Dec 23, 2018, 8:09 PM

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whose hands are these https://i.imgur.com/uepKLUk.jpg

Imgur

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 8:09 PM

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Spooky

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:10 PM

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The background detail on these games is fantastic

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Big ups sgg

plucky oxide Dec 23, 2018, 8:10 PM

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giantssss

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 8:11 PM

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the giants were traditionally allied with the titans in fact

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:11 PM

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Until the guy gave people fire right?

cold oriole Dec 23, 2018, 8:11 PM

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a giant boss fight would be neat

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 8:11 PM

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I don't know if it still is in the game but if you get Athenas legendary you can walk across the lava after beating the room so you can explore that way

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:12 PM

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Thats cool, ive not got it yet but it sounds fun

hollow totem Dec 23, 2018, 8:20 PM

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The dusa mod uprising

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I just noticed

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dusa

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 8:21 PM

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we are all dusa

frigid robin Dec 23, 2018, 8:21 PM

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guys should i got for ares v aprho again or go for zeus

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 8:22 PM

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More boons more better

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:22 PM

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Duel boon rooms are so good

frigid robin Dec 23, 2018, 8:22 PM

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ares is gonna get mad i keep telling him to hecc off to choose aphro first LMAO

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 8:22 PM

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Yeah unless you displease athena

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:23 PM

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The invul is annoying ye

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 8:23 PM

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Her powerup is so anoying

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Oh you charged up your near instakill ability it would be sad if I just happened to give invulnerability to every1

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But still I think the duel boon rooms should be way harder

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:25 PM

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Most of it is just teleports yeag

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 8:26 PM

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Yeah and that can make it so much easier in Aspohodel

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I.e enemies teleporting to lava

frigid robin Dec 23, 2018, 8:29 PM

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another hyrda down monalisadab

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:29 PM

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I cant wait for the next few levels 'gimmicks' of the floor

rotund stratus Dec 23, 2018, 8:37 PM

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@final goblet the one that increases falling rock damage seems too situational to be useful

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Its really good with poseidon and spear

final goblet Dec 23, 2018, 8:39 PM

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I'd say magaeras is pretty situational

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 8:40 PM

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Meg's is OP if you are good at managing HP

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I usually only take it for Asphodel though

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 8:40 PM

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lucky tooth or the shackle would be the weakest, i think

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 8:40 PM

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I'd say either the rockfall one like ferret said, or Nyx's passthrough keepsake

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:45 PM

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I think that each npc will give us a second keepsake

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Hence the locked hearts

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Maybe a 3rd if you get it all the way

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 8:46 PM

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I disagree, I think each will only give you one keepsake, but there will be other NPCs to give you more keepsakes later

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 8:50 PM

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I feel like character keepsakes could be explored more, and would be a waste to have all those hearts with no gifts

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 8:51 PM

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The gift is the lore you earn along the way dusa

hoary jewel Dec 23, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Some of the keepsakes are a little.... lackluster. That's one reason I suggested subsequent Ambrosia gifts could boost their strength or perhaps add a secondary effect

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Nyxs is the only one Id say has practically no use

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The rest are all good enough

hoary jewel Dec 23, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Nyx might be better if it instead gave some sort of temp invulnerability OR invisibility

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 9:03 PM

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I would love if it was one of those standing still for 5s gave u invisibility for 5

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Its kinda hard to stand still in hades

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Yeah, I was going to say... Standing still for 5 seconds is crazy 😆

hoary jewel Dec 23, 2018, 9:04 PM

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And Dusa's needs a higher percentage to actually be useful. 2% is just... yeah, no.

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I think a better condition might be damage-based - so maybe Nyx's cloak gives you invul/invis for x seconds after you take crit damage or some such

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 9:05 PM

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As far as I know enemies don't crit against you?

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 9:05 PM

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I actually really like dusas

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If you actively break pots around

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You can get a decent amount of heal

hoary jewel Dec 23, 2018, 9:06 PM

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I honestly have no idea - was just suggesting some sort of damage-based proc for the cloak 😃

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 9:06 PM

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Fair 😃

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I might be interesting if you could trigger keepsakes with a button and they had a cooldown

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For keepsakes where that would matter, anyway

pastel jolt Dec 23, 2018, 9:08 PM

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enemies can only crit against you, as far as i know, in a trial of the gods where you rejected artemis - they get her dash boon, visually at least, but idk if it actually lets them crit you or not

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 9:08 PM

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So for Nyx it could be like, you go incorporeal for 5 seconds and has a cooldown of 20 or 30 seconds

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 9:09 PM

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I feel like theres too limited a number of buttons for that to work on controller

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 9:10 PM

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The triggers aren't really used during combat

analog crystal Dec 23, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Ive rebound my dash to right trigger

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Its really nice for pressing lots of buttons

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But yeah you're right

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 9:15 PM

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Do the triggers have any use right now?

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 9:15 PM

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Gifting and Codex

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And talking

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Are the 3 things mapped, so there's one unmapped button entirely

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Unless my memory is faulty (possible)

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 9:48 PM

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@swift cloak I could be wrong, but I think that would be better suited as a bug report? Re: boon proc on impervious vs unprotected enemies

swift cloak Dec 23, 2018, 9:49 PM

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i don't know if that is a bug or an intended thing

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i mean, the whole boon work correctly

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it just feel odd to me that impervious is the equal of untouchable

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i mean, being indestructible ain't prevent you from getting crushed by bouldy and unable to move

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and as an exemple, athena's cast instantly destroyed because you launch a cast too close to a wall would be a bug

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@forest marsh hope you get my point anyway ^^

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 9:56 PM

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Fair point, hard to know what is intended behaviour

swift cloak Dec 23, 2018, 9:57 PM

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yup

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or modify boon behavior so the boon's proc only apply to the first "non-impervious" ennemy

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 9:59 PM

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It's in a similar vein to revenge damage procing on shield block despite the player not taking damage

swift cloak Dec 23, 2018, 10:02 PM

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anyway, something that can resist god's power is way too broken lmao

night storm Dec 23, 2018, 10:32 PM

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i had the charon well bonus that has 15% chance for slain enemies to drop healing items. got only one vs the first boss in the beginning, but after killing like ~50 enemies she spawned, none. bad luck (0.03%), or bug?

forest marsh Dec 23, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Probably just bad RNG, I've had reasonable luck with it in the past

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Assuming the item hadn't run out by then, that is

night storm Dec 23, 2018, 10:37 PM

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it was still active, i was probably very unlucky

hard holly Dec 23, 2018, 10:46 PM

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I actually noticed that as well

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I think its % is a bit buggy

vapid mauve Dec 23, 2018, 11:10 PM

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Hm, there might be some kind of limitation, to prevent you from farming up infinite food. Weird that you got one drop, I'd think it would be none from spawned enemies

fluid moat Dec 23, 2018, 11:55 PM

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I've noticed varience in some runs, like I got a run where I got over 100 health in item drops (8+) and a run where I only got 1 drop

velvet geode Dec 24, 2018, 12:21 AM

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which boon gives the best attack buff damage now?

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trying to pair it up with hunters dash

errant narwhal Dec 24, 2018, 12:21 AM

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athena

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 12:22 AM

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I did it, finished an (effectively) boonless run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8iz0pVh0PI&feature=youtu.be

YouTube

Flameberger

Hades (effectively) boonless run.

Picked up one boon at the start for my cast, never used it though. Sorry the quality isn't great, my computer chugs a bit if I go for a higher bitrate. A lot...

▶ Play video

hard holly Dec 24, 2018, 12:23 AM

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Athena, yeah

hollow totem Dec 24, 2018, 12:42 AM

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Great now join the mirrorless club

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We all hate ourselves there

final goblet Dec 24, 2018, 12:42 AM

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@vapid mauve That's really impressive but whats next dashless run? volfredpride

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 12:43 AM

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I dont think I could get my brain to do dashless

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I'll do mirorless next, I don't think it will be as bad

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just got to make sure I'm not careless with my health dusa

hollow totem Dec 24, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Getting one dash and one cast is troublesome

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Removes cast and dash builds

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Which are the best crutch builds

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 12:44 AM

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I never cast, but single dash defitely will be a handicap, and no death defies obv.

hollow totem Dec 24, 2018, 12:44 AM

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No death defies is managable

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Def least useful of all of them

final goblet Dec 24, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Exactly what im thinking. Having just one dash to work with seems really hard to get used to

hollow totem Dec 24, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Losing quick temp is very rough

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Quick temp , backstabbes, and extra dashes hurt home

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 12:46 AM

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alright, I'll give it a shot. should I bother recording? I feel like it won't be as unique

final goblet Dec 24, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Well seeing the difference in could be quite interesting but it will be a long video even if you beat it

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 12:47 AM

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maybe, probly not as long as boonless. I guess I might as well

hollow totem Dec 24, 2018, 12:48 AM

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See boonless runs require you to run the base kit to the maximum so its pure mechanics and optimization so its fun

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Mirrorless runs are masochism,

final goblet Dec 24, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Yeah with 3 dashes you can at least cheese the hydra by teleporting behind it once it starts throwing out its purple thingies

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I can't even imagine dodging the last set of hydra heads with one dash

hollow totem Dec 24, 2018, 12:56 AM

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Getting to the hydra is hard enough

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 1:05 AM

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1st attempt was a death in asphodel, bloodless are a lot scarier with just 1 dash. I'll try again

turbid needle Dec 24, 2018, 1:11 AM

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I'm having enough trouble with the bullet hell survival rooms in Asphodel with tripple dash, having only single dash available would be death in seconds for me ^^

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 1:34 AM

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2nd try made it to the last set of hydra heads, thirds time the charm

fluid moat Dec 24, 2018, 1:40 AM

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just no deaths breath? or no boons + no deaths breath?

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 1:40 AM

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im trying with no mirror upgrades atm

fluid moat Dec 24, 2018, 1:40 AM

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ooooooo

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yeah jeez no quick reflexes is rough

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maybe with shield you could abuse the bull rush

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because you are practically impervious with it

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 2:03 AM

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gottem

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definitely tougher than I gave it credit for at first, single dash is rough

fluid moat Dec 24, 2018, 2:16 AM

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yeahhh

rough condor Dec 24, 2018, 2:16 AM

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i did a spear no mirror upgrade run today on stream. got lucky with ares attack modifier and 5 boons

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did it already with bow and sword but with lifedrinker. so going for the sword and shield ones next pupperAttac

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 2:19 AM

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I haven't even beat the game with sword or shield yet, no challenge runs there for me dusa

rough condor Dec 24, 2018, 2:35 AM

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can recommend sword + flurry + full zeus. most fun build right now

latent vine Dec 24, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Any tips or tricks for the skeleton twins? Amazing game and surprisingly polished for early access, but yeah... those skeleton bomb throwers are difficult as hell for me

grand patrol Dec 24, 2018, 2:41 AM

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a dash with damage! and then just run around back and forth 😤

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 2:42 AM

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yeah, definitely try to get at least 1 point in the chain dash from the mirror. Don't get too aggressive until you are more confident, wait for them to toss a bomb, dash to the side and get some hits

latent vine Dec 24, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Thanks for the advice. Just seem to get so chaotic of you are not all up on one of those enemies since they spam their bombs non stop lol

turbid needle Dec 24, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Is there a way to make Cast feel up to snuff? I feel like when I go a bow build I'm better off just left clicking everything.

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Cast needs good boons to really make it more than novelty, it's not a playstyle I've gone for but my understanding is that it can be very powerful

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in particular you will want to target Artemis

fluid moat Dec 24, 2018, 2:59 AM

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every enemy has an animation they play before/after they finish aiming in a direction of their attack, then after a set time they attack in that direction

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if you get comfortable with those, you know when to dash out; important because you get action locked after a dash command where you cant walk

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but, you are not locked out of attacking

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so if there is a tip, get used to saving your dashes to a few moments before something deals damage to you, and attack the rest of the time

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👍

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 4:17 AM

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per the death defiance feedback I think there's an important distinction between it in it's current form vs straight up flat health. Namely the fact that it can't be replaced except for as a rare shop item. If it was just a bunch of flat HP then you could take a 100 damage, heal up to full and not have lost anything

swift cloak Dec 24, 2018, 4:18 AM

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yeah, while you have indeed 110hp, you must take in consideration that you can heal yourself between the death defiance

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@west fog and for your feedback, they now they must do something about key ambrosine and darkness, and we will for sure (at least i hope) see something to deal with it in the next major update

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and people already made feedback about it so, weellll

cold oriole Dec 24, 2018, 4:44 AM

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Anyone know if this is a known bug? https://youtu.be/VEY-lazeLhk

YouTube

Cynical Llama

Hades- Zagreus with lance is the quick

Animation canceling shenanagins in Hades

▶ Play video

tired pivot Dec 24, 2018, 5:10 AM

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For Avenging Gain, what counts as a counter-attack? An attack within a set amount of time against the damage enemy?

tawny pine Dec 24, 2018, 5:17 AM

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damage dealt to the enemy from you, think like bloodborne's revenge healing

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includes boons like Zeus' revenge boon

tired pivot Dec 24, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Is there a time limit on how long it has to be between you being damaged and the enemy being hit?

worn fulcrum Dec 24, 2018, 5:25 AM

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Yes

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It's like rally in Dead Cells, say

tired pivot Dec 24, 2018, 5:27 AM

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cool cool

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Keep dying to Meg which is unfortunate.

forest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 5:28 AM

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@cold oriole Yes, that's a known bug

lost rose Dec 24, 2018, 6:05 AM

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@strong matrix please report bugs using the in-game F10 bug reporter! The feedback channel is for subjective feedback, not bug reports.

strong matrix Dec 24, 2018, 7:31 AM

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Sorry bout that! @lost rose

mellow steppe Dec 24, 2018, 7:43 AM

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anyone got advice for asphodel? currently struggling over there in the pits

bright mulch Dec 24, 2018, 7:46 AM

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Generally I find asphodel more hit and run. Larger hordes of bloodless make it hard to go full ham. Even a very strong build like spin to win lance still evades backwards a lot

rough condor Dec 24, 2018, 7:46 AM

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Blue brimstones > all priority wise

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Try to get away from skull piles if they already spawned some of them at first and clear them later

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Dashing away to get a good distance to charging skeletons is also pretty important

forest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:48 AM

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Bloodless are the biggest threat in Asphodel imo

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Don't let them get close

rough condor Dec 24, 2018, 7:48 AM

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Don't forget you can destroy witch casts or even deflect them with an Athena boon!

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Take care of the bomb brother last. Just dash away from them and their bombs

mellow steppe Dec 24, 2018, 7:49 AM

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thanks guys! yeah, the bloodless are killing me so bad, maybe i should try using something other than the shield all the time

forest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:49 AM

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Any weapon is fine, just don't get greedy with your attacks. Get a few hits in and then dash away

mellow steppe Dec 24, 2018, 7:49 AM

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noted! thanks for the advice lads

forest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:49 AM

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I rarely stay in the same spot at any point playing Hades for more than a second

mellow steppe Dec 24, 2018, 7:50 AM

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yeah, dash is a blessing

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chain dash esp

bright mulch Dec 24, 2018, 7:53 AM

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Also I find dealing with skeleton nonsense easier when you let them come to you

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Their long leaps to catch up to you are generally pretty staggered and leave them in long recovery periods it seems

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Whereas waking or dashing towards then seems to load up their leap attack

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So retreating will break up the death ball slowly and give you better engages

jade plover Dec 24, 2018, 11:07 AM

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I find that keeping moving and not commiting to attacks in the best strategy in all but the boss encounters

steady wing Dec 24, 2018, 11:18 AM

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been working on unlocking the bow’s lore and boy is it the easiest win. Just pick Ares curse on atk and then proceed to put all upgrades on it. Poseidon or Zeus dash blessings are super nice with this build

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even with a common ares atk boon i’ve bern breeing through the game

split flicker Dec 24, 2018, 11:22 AM

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i still don't know how to use the bow properly

errant narwhal Dec 24, 2018, 11:28 AM

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the secret is to watch bow speedruns

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it’s how I learned

steady wing Dec 24, 2018, 11:29 AM

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dash+charge+release

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rest is dodging

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once you get used to it there isn’t much standing in your way and you stay far from danger most of the time

hybrid cypress Dec 24, 2018, 1:16 PM

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hey guys im wondering wether or not to buy myself hades, as im not quite sure i´d like to ask you how much replay value this game has, does it stay exciting and fun to play even after "finishing" the game multiple times?

errant narwhal Dec 24, 2018, 1:19 PM

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i finished it twice, and im still playing

indigo compass Dec 24, 2018, 1:21 PM

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wont be the same for everyone i guess

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i allready finished it 65 times

errant narwhal Dec 24, 2018, 1:22 PM

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ive done like, 60-70 runs and its still fun, and also more content will be added regularly

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until the game is 100% finished

final goblet Dec 24, 2018, 1:22 PM

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There is definetly some replayability trying different boons builds with different weapons

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But the wait for major updates is getting to me

night storm Dec 24, 2018, 1:36 PM

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if i equip for example zeus's trinket after the first boss, why doesn't it increases the power of my already equipped zeus boons? i think the wording implies it should: "His blessings are stronger"

errant narwhal Dec 24, 2018, 1:38 PM

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it makes the boons you will receive more powerful

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it doesnt amplify the power of the boons you already have, since you already have them

analog crystal Dec 24, 2018, 2:14 PM

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@hybrid cypress I've beat the current final boss 12 times now, and I'm still playing the game. What I find keeps each run fresh is to always go darkness thirst weapon (its a different weapon each run with an added incentive) and due to how different each run is always have a good time

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Baring in mind that the game still has a lot more content to be added too

hybrid cypress Dec 24, 2018, 2:23 PM

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thanks for the quick answers, maybe ill just wait for some extra content, way too stingy 😄

steady wing Dec 24, 2018, 2:28 PM

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@hybrid cypress I just hate farming in general, in any game. Repetitive stuff gets old VERY quickly to me. That being said I am avidly trying to complete everything in the game right now. All of the top level narrative and story, coupled with fairly balanced and engaging mechanics creates the perfect rogule-like experience. there is but one “content” release so far and I played more of it than a ton of other “released” games

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you really get the feel of “just one more run”... the same what you get the “just one more turn” in civilization games 😃

turbid needle Dec 24, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Blade Flurry (sword attack speed buff, but no more thrust) + Lightning Strike (attacks cause chain lightning) + Storm Lightning (chain lighning bounces more often between targets) = really pretty fireworks.
Not particularly effective, but really nice to look at

green birch Dec 24, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Sometimes you just gotta play it for the aesthetic!

pastel jolt Dec 24, 2018, 3:00 PM

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listen, i feel like the minority in this fanbase in that sometimes i’m not even trying too hard to win, i just wanna see what happens

proud storm Dec 24, 2018, 3:00 PM

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you cant slay the wretched if youre not cute

pastel jolt Dec 24, 2018, 3:01 PM

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sometimes you just wanna have fun and that doesn’t always mean making Perfectly Optimal Choices

grand patrol Dec 24, 2018, 3:01 PM

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anybody else wear someones boon gift when you give them more ambrosia bc you want them to see you appreciated the first gift

turbid needle Dec 24, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Not entirely sure how the chain lightning bouncing is supposed to work though. In my last run theoretically it should have been able to bounce up to 8 times, but often it would just shoot off into a random direction after the first or second bounce, even if there are valid targets in range (and that is assuming each target can only be hit once per chain lightning projectile). Not sure if there is some random chance build into the boon...

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maybe it's sharing some code with Aegis and that's the reason the projectiles sometimes just decide to shoot into the far corner of the room...

half quartz Dec 24, 2018, 3:08 PM

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The game is great but so far I was only able to kill the hydra with the bow. It seems its range and damage cap is far superior to the other weapons. Also I'm mad I can't buy this game on Steam because I own a steam link and wanted to chill out on the couch to play this awesome game. I hope future games can be bought on steam because I'm a big fan of your dev team but Epic Games is just to slow to the party IMO!

pastel jolt Dec 24, 2018, 3:08 PM

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#hades-faq for platform information

fluid moat Dec 24, 2018, 3:27 PM

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The knock-up effect from the spear charge is really powerful too, you can wall slam things that charge you and interrupt some foes that have armor which is really useful; and not being action locked by the charge up and release of the attack is reeeeally good

hoary jewel Dec 24, 2018, 3:35 PM

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@turbid needle - that might be something to report either in feedback or in an in-game bug report?

silent cliff Dec 24, 2018, 3:37 PM

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really like the game so far but I keep on dying to the walkers (the skeletons on act 2 who use their shove attack for 11 dmg). deflect doesn't work that well because unlike the fat guys in act 1 these skeletons have a really short tell of their attack and like to squeeze it in the short time between my dashes... any tips on how to deal with them? thanks and a merry christmas to you guys! 😃

raven moon Dec 24, 2018, 3:43 PM

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@silent cliff don't dash into them, just move away and wait till they come to you

silent cliff Dec 24, 2018, 4:06 PM

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@raven moon they make the ferry level a nightmare tho.. coming from all sides and hitting me mid-dash

raven moon Dec 24, 2018, 4:10 PM

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Skeletons will hit you only if you dash into them or near them, so you need to calculate your route. I think that the key for not being hit by them is to be calm and avoid panic dashing

dapper heart Dec 24, 2018, 4:35 PM

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YESSS I GOT POSIDEON ATTACK AND ARES SPECIAL ON SHIELD 😄

raven moon Dec 24, 2018, 5:13 PM

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Don't you guys think that time trials are too easy? All you need is to run around and you won't be hit cause everyone just follows you and can't attack

hoary jewel Dec 24, 2018, 5:22 PM

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Has anyone else noticed that using certain keepsakes / weapons changes how often certain Gods/Goddesses appear?

edgy coral Dec 24, 2018, 5:22 PM

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Yeah same dood maybe if there was some mechanic that auto targets you and sends a missle like hydra so you are forced to use more dashes @raven moon

hoary jewel Dec 24, 2018, 5:22 PM

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There is an auto target boon from Artemis. I always grab it if I'm lucky enough to see it

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Called True Shot

edgy coral Dec 24, 2018, 5:23 PM

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Yes it depends on a weapon which gods will spawn more

hoary jewel Dec 24, 2018, 5:24 PM

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And do boons not stack? I could swear I had a run with both Artemis' True Shot and Zeus' Chain Lightning on my cast, but maybe I am misremembering

graceful bough Dec 24, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Why did the game just offer me 10 crystals to use the spear?

raven moon Dec 24, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Cause u didn't use it for a while

pastel jolt Dec 24, 2018, 5:26 PM

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what

edgy coral Dec 24, 2018, 5:26 PM

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And its 10% more crystals in the run not 10 crystals:p

reef iris Dec 24, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Was that been anounced ingame in some way?

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Just figured that out accidently near 30th run

finite grail Dec 24, 2018, 5:46 PM

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In the weapons hall the one with the current bonus is surrounded by shadow

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That’s it to be fair tho

reef iris Dec 24, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Kinda squirtmeh

cold oriole Dec 24, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Might not me terrible idea for skelly to say something about that, hmm

bright mulch Dec 24, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Just had a really strange glitch, physics became all wonky during the hydra fight. For example just using the cast sent me sliding back huge distances compared to the small nudge it normally does, even dashing forward doesn't undo the increasingly building momentum caused by earlier actions. Think it had something to do with the sudden sunder boon?

errant narwhal Dec 24, 2018, 7:56 PM

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woah

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Did you report it with F10?

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 7:58 PM

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spooky. Maybe something to do with the knockback that happens when you hit the invulnerable hydra

bright mulch Dec 24, 2018, 8:09 PM

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No didn't know that was a thing

vapid mauve Dec 24, 2018, 8:43 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/KKiolHL

Imgur

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got to experience the true power of the bow, was going through hydra phases in 2 shots

errant narwhal Dec 24, 2018, 8:44 PM

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hell yeah

hollow totem Dec 24, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Triple shot js broke

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Thats how it be

kindred sage Dec 24, 2018, 9:23 PM

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Paused a room to type this... I'm loving the game already and after getting to know the sword/bow "classes" I began working on a spear build (low key: a lot of spamming Y). It's a lot of fun in a totally different way than the other weapons and I think there's a lot of potential for the charge shot. But when I clear a party and want to wait for the next wave with a charge shot or wait for the big bad around the corner, I can't seem to interrupt attacks or feel the proper heft to my attack as it seems I should. Maybe it's just me though...

silent cliff Dec 24, 2018, 9:34 PM

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@kindred sage i'm playing spear for the last ~20 runs or so, and it is great fun! remember that you can usually (without boons) only interrupt enemies without armor. try charging your spear when waiting behind a corner, then release the spin and immediately afterwards dash - that cancels the short pause after the spin

kindred sage Dec 24, 2018, 10:17 PM

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@silent cliff I could swear it happens with unarmored enemies too. Anyway, thanks for the #protip! I'll try it when I jump back in.

raven moon Dec 24, 2018, 11:12 PM

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Guys in what order do you kill hydras heads? I usually start with green ones as I believe they're the most dangerous ones

forest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 11:13 PM

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I've honestly never strategized that... Whichever is closest is what I tend to target 😅

errant narwhal Dec 24, 2018, 11:13 PM

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yeah same

autumn tapir Dec 24, 2018, 11:23 PM

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honestly the fight is so chaotic that I go from Meg's fight of "ok dash here stabstabstab dash there stabstabstab" to "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

copper berry Dec 24, 2018, 11:24 PM

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/353876734 I got a 9:04 lgwMlem

Twitch

Hades - 9:04 [WR]

Dinosaurus - Hades - Twitch

▶ Play video

lost rose Dec 24, 2018, 11:26 PM

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oh damn!!!

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Have you done a fresh run, dino?

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Like a from the beginning speedrun?

copper berry Dec 24, 2018, 11:26 PM

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I don't think I can do a "first run win" run, but I can definitely try from fresh save to hydra kill. I think i would just need to get 1 key to unlock the bow, then do that as a run.

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and time that out

lost rose Dec 24, 2018, 11:28 PM

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yeah

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I dont mean win on first run haha

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I just meant a speedrun timed from the start of the game, instead of a single-run time

autumn tapir Dec 24, 2018, 11:28 PM

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out of curiosity, why do you run into the spikes so often?

copper berry Dec 24, 2018, 11:28 PM

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I think it might be actually humanly impossible (well, improbable) without life drinker & ares

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for skull earring

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want to get to the threshold for 40% bonus dmg

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and spikes make less impact slowdown, and id ont have to wait for the enemy to wind up for an attack

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basically just the most efficient way to do it early, barring a couple brimstones (or maybe a triple-shot witch)

plucky oxide Dec 24, 2018, 11:32 PM

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Hydra strats:
-For cast builds, I try and isolate one of the heads. The success of my cast builds comes from being able to 100-0 a hydra head before I run out of ammo.
-For attack builds, I try and line up as many heads at once to optimize how fast I'm dealing damage. Bow is best at this.
-For shield retaliation builds, I find a corner where I can't be attacked at all angles and set up my charge. When I think I'm going to actually take damage, I charge away and re-setup shop in a different corner.
-I find that I take the most damage from hydra head's strikes, instead of their unique abilities. Their unique abilities seem to just give you more things to deal with, and less space to move around. Clearing out an isolated head early to give you space will give you a quick exit strategy if you're getting overwhelmed.

rough condor Dec 25, 2018, 2:29 AM

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i only did that with lifedrinker once. new safe and just run through to hydra and kill it. but yeah.. was lifedrinker. if you want to see that i can check my vods

copper berry Dec 25, 2018, 2:29 AM

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oh good now I dont have to bother since its been done dusa

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 7:35 AM

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Whats the best type of build in yalls opinions?

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I mostly use bow attack

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:36 AM

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Have you read the previous three comments? It’s quite good I think

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Anyway, for bow; go with Artemis critical attack after dash

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Basically, you deal critical damage everytime after dash for 1 second, which is long enough

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:38 AM

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If using bow, I go for Hunter's Dash, Triple Shot, Clean Kill, and then any +atk% boon (Athena's is best bet)

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Clean Kill isn't 100% necessary, just extra icing on the cake

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:38 AM

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What do Triple Shot and Clean Kill do?

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:39 AM

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Triple Shot is the Hammer upgrade that turns your attack into 3 shots (one straight and two at an angle). Clean Kill is +crit damage %

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 7:39 AM

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I like the hunters dash a lot

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:40 AM

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Triple Shot means you essentially triple your damage on enemies if all three hit the same target

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:40 AM

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I prefer +damage on either distance or near foe upgrade from hammmer

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:40 AM

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Plus with pierce you can take out mobs quick

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:41 AM

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For +ATK%, I like Poseidon.

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His knock back help give me breathing room

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And wall slam damage wouldn’t hurt, either

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:42 AM

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By the time you have all those upgrades and boons you're pretty much one shotting everything, not much room needed squirtdevious

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:42 AM

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Also, sometime I push the enemy into lava

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I don’t for some reason...

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shadeembarassed

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:43 AM

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Try out Triple Shot sometime 😉

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:43 AM

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Sure

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:43 AM

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Just make sure you stay close enough that all three shots hit the target if it has lots of health

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Not hard to do with triple dash

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:44 AM

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But wouldn’t point blank shot better for such case?

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+350% to close target

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:45 AM

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Point Blank isn't bad, but it does less damage at distance while Triple Shot doesn't care how close or far for each arrow

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And each arrow is still doing full crit damage. You should see higher cumulative damage between the three shots than a single Point Blank shot at full power, all else being the same

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If I remember correctly, crit damage is calculated on its own and not included in the +atk % buffs

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So +350% would just be to your base damage, plus normal crit, while Triple Shot is doing triple crit damage when all arrows hit

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:48 AM

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I see

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All these math are very confusing...

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:49 AM

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It's easiest to just experiment and see for yourself

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If it helps convince you though, the current speedrun WR relies on Triple Shot as part of the build

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:50 AM

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Okay, sold. What is the WR, though?

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:50 AM

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world record ie fastest verified speedrun

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:50 AM

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No, I meant the record

pastel jolt Dec 25, 2018, 7:50 AM

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10 minutes and something iirc

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:50 AM

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10 minutes?

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:51 AM

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Oh, it's still 10:12 officially, but Dino did 9:04 earlier today. I expect it will be updated soon

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:51 AM

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Wow, my fastest record is at 20:12

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What does he use?

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:52 AM

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You can watch the current (official) run here https://www.twitch.tv/videos/350926967

Twitch

Hades - 10:12

Dinosaurus - Hades - Twitch

▶ Play video

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:52 AM

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Okay, thanks

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:52 AM

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I'll see if I can find the video for the 9:04 run

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I was watching it while it happened, but not sure if he's made a Twitch highlight of it yet

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:53 AM

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What is the current best sword build?

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I want to complete the entry

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:54 AM

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Here's the 9:04 run https://www.twitch.tv/videos/353876734

Twitch

Hades - 9:04 [WR]

Dinosaurus - Hades - Twitch

▶ Play video

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:54 AM

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I used to enjoy the vampiric run

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:54 AM

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I'm not sure on best sword build, to be honest. I don't play sword a lot, mostly spear and bow. My one win with sword was a combination dash and special build

oblique karma Dec 25, 2018, 7:56 AM

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did my first no damage fury fight woo

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:57 AM

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This is madness! He keep taking damage so that he could activate the skull earring!

oblique karma Dec 25, 2018, 7:57 AM

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also i goofed, i bought my charon items before equipping his hourglass so i didn't get the bonus time

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aaah

dreamy jackal Dec 25, 2018, 7:58 AM

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@oblique karma congrats

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Congrats Demon!

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Just got my first legendary power from artemis

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That was the best first bost kill ive had so far too

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Nice, congrats octopuswulf!

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:02 AM

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It*

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Support fire is the ppwer

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So equipping stuff like adamant arrowhead means all boons will be Artemis or just the next one?

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:04 AM

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Support fire is fun, but more for non-bow runs. With sword and flurry upgrade it's nuts

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:04 AM

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You can get support fire for sword too?

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Like is it worth it to use a keepsake for the boons or not?

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:05 AM

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You can, yes. It's a god boon, not a hammer upgrade

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:05 AM

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Cause i started with the arrowhead and seemed like most boons were Artemis...

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:05 AM

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Using the keepsake is good if you want to increase the chance of getting a boon from a god

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Since the first boon you find will be that god

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You may not get the boon you want, since you only see 3 out of their whole pool

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:08 AM

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Alright

oblique karma Dec 25, 2018, 8:08 AM

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whats support fire

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also that 9 minute run is nuts

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:08 AM

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Your Attack and Cast spawn an extra True Shot projectile.```

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In this instance the projectile does a flat 15 damage that cannot be modified

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But with sword + flurry, that's still a lot of extra attacks flying out and seeking enemies

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A bit underwhelming with bow, however

oblique karma Dec 25, 2018, 8:11 AM

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hmm

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that seems cool

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:12 AM

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As long as you don't mind potential spoilers, all of the info on boons and upgrades is available on the Hades gamepedia page (check pinned messages for link)

lethal goblet Dec 25, 2018, 8:16 AM

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Ok I'm only liking the Varatha so far in the game

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:17 AM

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Spear is a strong choice 👍

lethal goblet Dec 25, 2018, 8:17 AM

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Every other weapon just feels sluggish after using it now

oblique karma Dec 25, 2018, 8:17 AM

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bow is great

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thanks for the heads up wightfyre

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does giving ambrosia to gods rn do anything?

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:18 AM

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Bow is great, though it requires more technique and timing than any other weapon and as such comes off as weak to new players. I know I certainly thought it was garbage the first time I tried it. Now it's my favourite

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@oblique karma Aside from the first gift which gives you their keepsake, it just gives you more lore

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Same with everyone else

oblique karma Dec 25, 2018, 8:19 AM

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would be kinda neat if in the final game it increased your chances of getting high rarity boons

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food for thought

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:20 AM

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Yeah, similar things have been suggested before. Feel free to find them in #hades-feedback and give a 👍

oblique karma Dec 25, 2018, 8:20 AM

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and well, bow is arguably the strongest weapon especially with triple shot

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Outside of hydra room without dying and i have 4 death defiance...

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But 50/100hp

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Is hydra the end of early access for now?

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:23 AM

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I believe in you! You got this

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It is, yeah

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:24 AM

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The furthest ive got is when hydra spawns 4 extras

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Hydra has three summon phases

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:24 AM

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If i had a controller to hook up to pc id be set

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Okay thats good to know

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:25 AM

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No consoles kicking around to steal a controller from?

lethal goblet Dec 25, 2018, 8:26 AM

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Yeah I use my ps4 controller for the game

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:26 AM

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Nah i use to have ps4 T T

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Ps4 on as pc controller is best tho

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:27 AM

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I've never actually used a PS4 controller... But I have no complaints about my Xbone controller

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And for a long time before that I used a 360 controller until one of the sticks developed a drift

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:28 AM

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Xbox controller is just as good

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Is there anyway to use a wireless xbone one?

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Only with an adapter as far as I know

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Damn

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I regret selling my ps4 but im getting that or an xbox tomorrow

lethal goblet Dec 25, 2018, 8:30 AM

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ps3 would do just as well

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if anything

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last resort

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 8:30 AM

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Nice. I think we might be getting a bit off topic though 😆 Luckily all the mod dusas appear to be hibernating squirtdevious

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I should get to bed myself, though. Have a good night... or day... whatever time it is

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:33 AM

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Failed

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I get caught trying to dash

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That was the best build i ever got

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Curse of agony and assist fire synergize really well

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Goodnight

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I wish it wasnt so chance based to get the right build

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Like sometimes i feel like i get no good upgrades at all

lethal goblet Dec 25, 2018, 8:36 AM

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some of the upgrades just work better on other weapons

south comet Dec 25, 2018, 8:39 AM

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Careful with the language please @turbid needle

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 8:44 AM

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Gonna try triple shot for the first time

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I apologize bad habit

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Tripl shot is lit woh

rough condor Dec 25, 2018, 9:29 AM

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triple shot is lit yeah. i think they will adress it in the next patch

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 9:36 AM

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i almost killed hydra

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Triple shot is the way to go

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Can kill the heads way fast

rapid seal Dec 25, 2018, 9:40 AM

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is there a way to mitigate the shield's special flying away into the sunset in asphodel

bright mulch Dec 25, 2018, 10:07 AM

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There's a daedalus boon which removes the bounce, increases speed, and makes the shield come back off the first hit

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Otherwise throw very carefully lol

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 10:11 AM

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I just checked my codex and learned that only the sword's codex is completed. My favoritism is showing.
I play sword > lance > shield > bow.
It'd probably favor shield over lance if builds for shield weren't so slow, resulting in less overall runs with the weapon. Oh well!
I like how it tells me how many kills I have to go until I unlock the next entry, but it saddens me that I'll lose these digits after i unlock the entry. Maybe some neat-o cosmetics for the room for my weapons, so I can check my 'minions slayed' count for each one.

reef iris Dec 25, 2018, 10:12 AM

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@plucky oxide looks like good feedback for feedback channel)

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I will thumbup it XD

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How often do you face legendary boons? Is there any way to increase a chance? I saw only one, but really curous since that shadeohboy

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Just scrolled through Feedback. Someone seems to have stated this already, it seems! Always nice to hear I'm not the only one interested in something, though.

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So the way boons work, is that they are split into multiple tiers of succession.

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Tier 1 boons must be acquired first. Then, you unlock tier 2 boons. Then, once you have those, you can get legendary boons (tier 3). There's only one legendary for each god right now.

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So if you wanted aphrodite's legendary (weak having a chance to charm enemies), you would need to have a certain amount of Aphrodite boons in order for that to show up in the draw pool.

jade horizon Dec 25, 2018, 10:26 AM

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anyone else thinking that zeus' boons are way too good compared to the other gods?

rough condor Dec 25, 2018, 10:29 AM

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zeus is actually the only god which feels balanced and not over or underpowered

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 10:30 AM

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Zeus is nice. A good all-rounder. I'd say his special-oriented boons aren't all that great. He's great for mobs of enemies, but I wouldn't say he's superior to, say, Artemis.

jade horizon Dec 25, 2018, 10:33 AM

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idk i gotta disagree from a pure DPS standing, while artemis is good she's mainly single target and fairly limited, getting zeus normal attack chain boon with the spear and atleast 1 more boon from him for the increased chaining is enough to carry you through most of the rooms, and his legendary upgrades dps in smaller rooms is kinda dumb, hit 1 enemy to death and you've cleared the wave :/

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not to mention the fact is basically triples your normal attacks damage with no sacrifices or lock-ins

reef iris Dec 25, 2018, 10:39 AM

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So i need to focus on one-god boons to acquire legendary?

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 10:39 AM

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Aye, that is correct. If you want a legendary, you primarily stick to finding favor from that God.

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And yeah, Zeus' legendary has crazy synergy. Problem is, getting legendaries isn't really a 100% guarantee on runs. I really like Artemis, because her dash-guaranteed crits is all I really need to get through a large portion of content. Most of my no-damage meg kills have been done with attack-ramping-crit builds, not consistent and steady AOE storms.

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Of course, I think AOE reigns supreme in 2nd boss.

jade horizon Dec 25, 2018, 10:42 AM

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ik especially early (low amount of upgrades

reef iris Dec 25, 2018, 10:42 AM

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I saw the Artemis' one. And I was with bow, so, seeking projectiles seems in place. Is it possible to get her legendary boon with, say, shield and my melees will spawn seeking arrows? squirtheh

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 10:43 AM

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I wouldn't recommend Artemis' legendary. Very underpowered in comparison to another of her boons. If you want to have the most fun from Artemis' legendary, use sword and get the Daedalus upgrade for blade flurry.

jade horizon Dec 25, 2018, 10:43 AM

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oops , that with atleast two dashes and using the spear (my fav weapon lul) you dominate meg anyways so long as you can remain calm, and she becomes trivial with 3 dashes, reminds of dark souls bosses aha xD

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 10:46 AM

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Sword's blade flurry is also hilarious with legendary Zeus. I believes it's the fastest attack in the game. I'd recommend that to you, Bloodshield.

jade horizon Dec 25, 2018, 10:47 AM

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that sounds interesting, tho aren't you locked into the animation still? one of the main reasons i like the normal attack upgrades is cuz you can dash mid attack :3

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 10:49 AM

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Blade flurry changes the auto attack to remove the third, heavy strike. You have fine mobility, but it lacks the meaty hit-stun that you'll find on spear. Of course, I try not to rely on hit-stun, what with armor existing. It's not a great build, but it is silly and fun.

jade horizon Dec 25, 2018, 10:49 AM

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must admit i was a little sad at just how good the upgrades were, 25 attempts to beat hydra :<

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 10:50 AM

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Sword had a boon that made the game really trivial. I skipped a lot of slow growth when I picked up the game and beat hydra in about five :<
But that's what early access is about! Testing stuff out, finding what feels nice, and doing zany stuff!

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Good thing life drinkers gone now!!

jade horizon Dec 25, 2018, 10:51 AM

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yea i get that, i like the hit-stun on the dashing fatties, and armor is really annoying i havent used all boons yet, but i havent seen one that boosts normal attack armor damage, the bow needs to be buffed, badly in the range department, the spear just hands down feels better as a ranged weapon with its special than the bow since it does normal AND backstab damage

stoic sable Dec 25, 2018, 10:52 AM

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you can backstab with the bow as well

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 10:52 AM

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Bow is probably best weapon right now.

stoic sable Dec 25, 2018, 10:53 AM

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and the spear special is kinda poop imo

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takes so much time

jade horizon Dec 25, 2018, 10:53 AM

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yea but you actually have to hit them in the back from behind, spear i press q and rmb and boom 40 damage from further range than bow :/

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and it feels like it has better stun that bow arrows :/

stoic sable Dec 25, 2018, 10:54 AM

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if you find that powerful thats great but it really isn't

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 10:54 AM

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Try out some bow builds! You might want to take a look at the triple shot hammer upgrade before it gets changed/removed. Way overtuned right now, by the looks of things.

hollow notch Dec 25, 2018, 10:54 AM

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Whoever designed that hydra fight should get a special place in hell...

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 10:54 AM

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I feel like the bow is just highly satisfying to use honestly. Reminds me of Breakers bow from Bastion

jade horizon Dec 25, 2018, 10:56 AM

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idk i never had much enjoyment for the bow upgrades, or the shield didnt feel fun, didnt like how short range the bow was compared to shield and spear, will give it another shot after this run, but idk maybe just doesn't suit my playstyle 😛

stoic sable Dec 25, 2018, 10:56 AM

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try to dash and draw your bow

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it increases range and reduceing power shot timing

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Plus archery girls hunter dash and triple shot its pretty strong

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 10:57 AM

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Shield enables those retaliation boons you see all the time. Holding attack gives you invincibility from the front, but still triggers retaliation boons. It's pretty unique, all things considered. Not great or fast, but still really fun.

stoic sable Dec 25, 2018, 10:59 AM

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with the sword i seem to always just spam the special

hollow notch Dec 25, 2018, 11:01 AM

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Bow

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Get the hammer special upgrade

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Get the Poseidon special boon

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Things just can't get near you

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You can easily clear even the survival rooms

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And if you get the poseidon boon for increased wall and corner smash dmg

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Things get quite absurd 😄

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Sword special is the most braindead build for sword, but it is so satisfying to see the big numbers decimate things. Especially with Athena's deflection special boon.

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I guess brain dead is a harsh term... I just mean to imply that any build designed to one-shot enemies without much mechanical skill or set-up tend to be on the less-engaging side. But that's just an opinion of mine.

grand cave Dec 25, 2018, 1:01 PM

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@plucky oxide chop sword builds are super fun, at least to me, especially with hunter dash and you start critting for 5-600+

errant narwhal Dec 25, 2018, 1:30 PM

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@tawdry sleet I’m deleting your feedback because it’s been submitted before, you can search “in: hades-feedback sisyphus” and vote on it there if you agree!

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 1:44 PM

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i personally just love dashing around with the spear, hitting the enemy, then blinking away again before he realised what's happened.

tawdry sleet Dec 25, 2018, 1:46 PM

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@errant narwhal thanks, I had a quick look but didn't spot that

hollow notch Dec 25, 2018, 1:56 PM

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So what's a good sword build?

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I understand that there is quite a bit of luck involved, but the tokens help

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And I haven't played the sword at all, since I unlocked the other weapons, so a bit of guidance would be nice 😃

midnight temple Dec 25, 2018, 2:00 PM

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ooh, if you go for a sword special build, pick the special attack/deflect from athena and try to get the hammer upgrade that makes i double its dmg

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i did that and beat hydra, took barely any dmg, it's a bit overpowered

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 2:03 PM

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agreed, pretty much all you need to do is spam Y

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 2:21 PM

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!commands

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whoops, wrong chat

turbid needle Dec 25, 2018, 2:21 PM

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yeah, world splitter (hammer, trades attack combo for a single 400% slash) is awesome, and the athena special is great, too. Turns bullet hell Asphodel into a giant game of Pong. Add Artemis Dash for even more damage, Broseidon attack for (you guessed it) even more damage + knockback, and Zeus or Aphrodite Dash... so. much. damage

midnight temple Dec 25, 2018, 3:00 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/Owlpc8K.png

Imgur

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just to prove a point, did take some dmg but i stood completely still spamming special vs the small heads

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dogde a little vs the big one

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 3:28 PM

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i just beat the hydra by dashing only (zeus boon dash with ~70 dmg per dash), it was hilarious

reef iris Dec 25, 2018, 3:52 PM

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feelsbadman: can't beat the hydra with the strongest build everyone's talking about: sword + deflect on special + dmg on special =\

midnight temple Dec 25, 2018, 3:57 PM

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oh btw if you are switching trinket after meg and don't have full hp, switch to the dog collar first and then switch to whatever you want, basicly a free 25 heal

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 4:01 PM

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@reef iris i didn't even make it to hydra with that build..

midnight temple Dec 25, 2018, 4:02 PM

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what, i beat it twice in a row with that build

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just a tip when trying that you will have a small window where you can be damaged so its smart to try to use it right before the enemy attacks

reef iris Dec 25, 2018, 4:13 PM

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I guess, sgg should prevent this free healing someway 😃

hoary jewel Dec 25, 2018, 4:13 PM

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I can't seem to get the shield block thingee to work properly, and I don't know why. 😦 I try and use it, but still get smacked from the front. I'm guessing there's a timing involved that I'm screwing up

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 4:14 PM

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@midnight temple maybe thats something for feedback? could be fixed by only allowing to choose trinket once to avoid that exploit

errant narwhal Dec 25, 2018, 4:14 PM

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you have to use the trinket up for it now

reef iris Dec 25, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Hydra's projectiles intends to be not deflectable?

errant narwhal Dec 25, 2018, 4:14 PM

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before you could just switch and get the free health without closing the menu

vapid mauve Dec 25, 2018, 4:14 PM

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pretty sure, yeah Fen. Unlike some other projectiles they alse can't be destroyed by non-deflecting attacks

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they can be blocked by shield charge though

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 4:15 PM

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@reef iris i think so, yes. otherwise Athena's dash would make the fight trivial

errant narwhal Dec 25, 2018, 4:15 PM

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meg's projectiles, if im not wrong, are deflectable but deal no damage to her

reef iris Dec 25, 2018, 4:15 PM

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yep, maybe, just to reassure)

vapid mauve Dec 25, 2018, 4:16 PM

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not sure on meg's projectiles hurting her now that you mention it, i'll try to keep an eye out for that next chance I get

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 4:19 PM

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@vapid mauve i am 80% sure they do

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you can definitely avoid the damage by deflecting, and I think I killed her once by doing so

midnight temple Dec 25, 2018, 4:20 PM

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for me meg has been to easy from the start, alot of people seem to struggle but will/could there be a option to get an empowered version of her?

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 4:21 PM

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lol she is supposed to be easy/beatable, she's the first boss mate

midnight temple Dec 25, 2018, 4:21 PM

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i know but still

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 4:21 PM

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it's more about not taking more than 40dmg from her to have the best possible start for act 2

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and when the game is fully published i'm quite sure that there will be plenty challenges lying ahead even for the more gifted players like you :p

midnight temple Dec 25, 2018, 4:23 PM

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yup but still, i think shes a bit to weak

reef iris Dec 25, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Battle in any room before Meg is kinda battle with your greed

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You can play safely or rushing through, so squirtdevious

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 4:29 PM

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maybe the should nerf greed, it tends to always win

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they*

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that feeling when you take 8 damage from the slam dude because you wanted to style on him

reef iris Dec 25, 2018, 4:30 PM

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Yeah, that's a point)

midnight temple Dec 25, 2018, 4:36 PM

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can confirm deflecting meg bullets deal 0 dmg to her

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 4:37 PM

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okay then i remembered wrong, thanks

proud storm Dec 25, 2018, 4:37 PM

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oh did they change that?

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cuz once i had athena's boon on my spear attack and i'd jab her everytime she'd shoot at me so i'd deflect the entire volley of bullets right back at her

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she would take 4 dmg per bullet

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 4:39 PM

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yes that is what i also remembered

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usually they take more damage from a deflect than you would if it hit you but for mag's projectiles it was equal

errant narwhal Dec 25, 2018, 6:08 PM

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@azure swan I deleted your feedback since it’s already been submitted, please vote on it if you agree!

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 6:12 PM

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@keen tangle re: feedback on urn colour in Asphodel, as far as I can tell there is no colour difference (I'm not colourblind). Very rarely a gold urn from Tartarus will spawn, but the skull urns also randomly drop Obol obol with no way to tell why. As an aside, destructible terrain pieces in Asphodel sometimes drop Obol as well. I do support your request for a colourblind mode, though!

keen tangle Dec 25, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Oh how weird, I just assumed it had a color difference I couldn't see since it has one in Tartarus. Inconsistent game design is mildly annoying

vapid mauve Dec 25, 2018, 6:27 PM

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huh, I never realized skull pots ever dropped money, I would only ever go for the golden tartarus urns. I probably still won't bother, not breaking every pot for a few coins

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 6:29 PM

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I break pots because I have an obsession with breakables

vapid mauve Dec 25, 2018, 6:29 PM

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fair

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Any good challenge runs? I've done boonless and mirrorless (seperate runs) already. I guess I could try for both of those at the same time, but I think that would be too much

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 6:32 PM

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Pure cast with only 1 soul

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 6:33 PM

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First run challenge

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 6:33 PM

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No dash run

vapid mauve Dec 25, 2018, 6:33 PM

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I could probably do dashless but it would be tough to get my brain to not hit the button, might have to unbind it

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first run would be mirrorless, keepsake-less, sword only?

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 6:33 PM

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Yup

vapid mauve Dec 25, 2018, 6:34 PM

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tempting, I don't play much with the sword but I might be able to pull it off with some tries and good luck

forest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 6:35 PM

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But I think the actual first run also limits which gods spawn boons

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So you'd have to do it via new saves

vapid mauve Dec 25, 2018, 6:35 PM

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oh really? I see

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I'll try dashless first

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 6:36 PM

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That should be an achievement in the final game

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"wait, I was supposed to die?"

pastel jolt Dec 25, 2018, 6:40 PM

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achievement unlocked: nailed it

vapid mauve Dec 25, 2018, 6:50 PM

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I hadn't really thought of it, but asphodel is really not nice for dashless

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unless you are using the shield

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Hm...I'd say dashless can make the exception for moving between Asphodel islands AFTER the fight is over

vapid mauve Dec 25, 2018, 6:51 PM

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actually just tried it, theres a delay on lava damage and you can get through unhurt

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Oh, nvm then, suffer fools

vapid mauve Dec 25, 2018, 7:06 PM

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hydra was not nice, I'll go again

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:28 PM

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that is evil.. imagine firing that bastard into the oblivions of asphodel

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Does Hades support Switch pro controller?

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Does anyone have advice for fighting Meg? I can get through to her fine but she just destroys me so fast 😦

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Dodge her charges then attack.

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When she does the AoEs, take a moment to figure the right direction then dash.

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:31 PM

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i think i've got a poor build then because i try that but it hardly does anything, most i've managed is down to 1/4 after like 10 mins lol

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:31 PM

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@gritty ermine it all come down to experience.. just wipe on her enough and you will master the fight without even taking a scratch

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:32 PM

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She does take awhile.

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:32 PM

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try getting in behind her after she dashes to get consinstant backstab bonus

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:34 PM

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The bosses and mini-bosses will take awhile to kill when you just get started.

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I just got my first kill against Meg after many runs.

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Yeah, I just have to figure out something that works for me lol ugh i'm getting so tired of her

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Spear or shield might be better.

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:35 PM

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i'll try em out

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:35 PM

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How do you usually take damage in that fight?

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:35 PM

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i didn't really have fun with them when i first tried them though, i usually use my sword

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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try taking athena's dash-deflect boon and then dash when she charges and into her projectiles... makes the fight a lot easier, and you don't even have to attack yourself

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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and she just dashes constantly so between trying to kill her and the minions i'm getting overwhelmed

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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You know you can dash cancel the end animation of the sword special?

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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she's just so beefy

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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or try and get zeus' chain lightning attack boon, makes you clear the adds whilst focussing maggie

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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yeah i like chain lightening

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Dash lightning might be worth it as well.

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Since you can just dash and deal damage to stuff around.

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:37 PM

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it really just sounds like keep hurling myself at her until I get the right set of boons lol

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Mhm. Focus on figuring out an approach to the fight too.

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:37 PM

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i personally don't like dash lightning when you are already having a hard time because most often it requires you to dash into the adds instead of kiting away from them

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Hmm. I suppose that true.

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Cast lightning is probably best.

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:38 PM

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yeah, i made a huge mistake last round trying the special does a dash bonus

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:38 PM

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Which boon is that?

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:38 PM

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i forget off hand

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:38 PM

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@gritty ermine sounds dumb but when you have enough experience she's really a piece of cake regardless of what build you have.. so i suggest to pick up aoe/cast boons that will help you getting to her more reliably, pump some darkness into the mirror (especially backstab and death defiance help!) and then just try and try again 😃

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:38 PM

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but you press q, dash forward and special

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thanks guys 😃 sounds like I'm on the right path

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:39 PM

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Yeah, focus on understanding fight approach.

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:39 PM

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and remember: mag doesn't like to fight you either

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:39 PM

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When I beat her I split between hitting her and clearing mobs when there were too many of them.

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True.

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:40 PM

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once you become accomplished you can clear out the adds whilst she is doing her casts

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:40 PM

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true true

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Ive been generally relying on her slow run around.

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Do you have triple dash?

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:41 PM

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no just double, which has been fine so far. I'm already dashing around like a mad man hahaha

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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dash less when you are uncomfortable.. otherwise dashing around results in chaos and panic mode (speaking from experience here)

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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yeah absolutely, just when i'm getting swarmed I try to get to a more clear areae

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area

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that one fight with the bomb men is probably when i dash the most though ahha

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:43 PM

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one last tip: when she charges at you, dash sideways and then back to where you came from.. makes you end up exactly behind her back and ready for some juicy backstab action

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also it looks really cool and makes you feel like a true son of hades

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:45 PM

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haha

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are those pools in the ground always going to give darkness? I've only used it once, the health cost is high...i'm not sure its worth it if its just darkness every time though

errant narwhal Dec 25, 2018, 7:47 PM

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they give coin and drakness, and occasionally also a heart i think

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:47 PM

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ohh cool 😃

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Yeah, and the cost gets less awful as you level cthonic vitality

errant narwhal Dec 25, 2018, 7:48 PM

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but yeah, they dont feel really worth it right now. im sure they will be reworked in the next major patch

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 7:48 PM

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It can also be handy if you buy one of the "heal for your next 3 rooms" items

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And if you need some healing, since you enter 2 new rooms

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:49 PM

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Yeah, I hope they do because its a really cool concept for a side room

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 7:49 PM

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Yeah. Rogue-likes need secrets

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:49 PM

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it would be awesome if the blood gates have a chance to "reset" your progress - so if usually you get to the boss after 10 rooms, you take the blood gate at room 5 and there is a random chance that the timer gets set back to 1-5

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:50 PM

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I didn't realize those purple fountains did anything until like my like 3rd Meg fight lolol

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that would be cool!

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 7:50 PM

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I don't think they unlock until you meet Charo

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 7:51 PM

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I don't think fundamentally altering the run is good

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 7:52 PM

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When I was first playing, I thought blood gates:

Didn't progress me forward
Made me redo a room, for an additional reward
Reset what was offered to me in the next one or two rooms

But it does not elongate your runs, it seems. Probably shortens them, and was intended as a speedrunning mechanic.

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:52 PM

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would it fundamentally alter it though? once the game is published, i bet you will have to get through at least 50 rooms to beat the final boss.. so if there is a random chance to be able to progress through a couple more that would not be a drastic change

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 7:52 PM

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I would like something like a unique buff
Not a god buff, but maybe something not unlike the hammer

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Anyone think that there should be a way of showing room progress in the run?

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Like, if you press tab and it showed how many rooms you had been through?

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:53 PM

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I would really like that

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:53 PM

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or maybe the blood gate should start an encounter in which you lose hp the longer you take clearing the room?

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 7:53 PM

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It's been suggested in feedback

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Okay, awesome.

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 7:54 PM

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Iirc mostly got thumbs up

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:54 PM

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honestly i kind of wish there was a way to make runs a little more predictable? I like the random aspects, but sometimes I feel like I get all pomegranates and coins

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 7:54 PM

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It would be for speed-running. I wouldn't want that kind of variance

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 7:54 PM

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Sometimes I want all pomegranates and coins :V

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:54 PM

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is there a way to tell the game that you do not need any more keys and ambrosia bottles? 😄

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:55 PM

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hahaha i like pomegranates when i've got something worth upgrading

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:55 PM

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I just hope that Ambrosia, Darkness, and Keys won't keep spawning after you don't need any more.

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 7:56 PM

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You can't have good runs without appreciating the bad runs! Too many choice makes those good moments a little less sweet.

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They will, spool.

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 7:56 PM

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They could do something like a "no meta-progression mode." Just Gods, Hammer, money, poms

azure umbra Dec 25, 2018, 7:56 PM

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Hey, I tried something with the shield but I can use it only a few times. So I don't know if it's a bug or not. I tried to load my dash with the shield, and then to dash away with the spacebar

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 7:56 PM

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I disagree.

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:56 PM

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Well, if after unlocking everything there would be no meta stuff that would be fine.

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:56 PM

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@plucky oxide am I doing something wrong? I have unlocked all weapons and mirror stuff and still keep getting keys

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 7:56 PM

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Nope!

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:57 PM

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So they're suppose to keep spawning?

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 7:57 PM

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We have just maxxed out the comments

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Content*

gritty ermine Dec 25, 2018, 7:57 PM

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btw when do the other two weapons unlock? I've got the bow, shield, and lance

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:57 PM

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I agree with Pause that there should be no such option. Beat my first hydra with an absolutely mediocre Poseidon-Aphrodite build

real pagoda Dec 25, 2018, 7:57 PM

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The other weapons aren't in the game

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It is still early access, they'll be added over the next year or so

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:58 PM

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I agree that the randomness of run-relevant items is fine.

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I'm just concerned over the continued injection of meta drops, but I'm assuming there's plans to rectify that at some point

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 7:59 PM

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But getting items you "can't" use is not fun

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 7:59 PM

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I think keys, darkness, and ambrosia are 'long-term rewards', but replacing those with 'in-run progression rewards' would throw the entire game out of balance. Just because keys, darkness, and ambrosia no longer do anything, doesn't change the fact that they've NEVER done anything for your immediate-run. Nothing's changed on that front. Instead, the question should be, 'how can we use long-term rewards in new ways?'

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:59 PM

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I don't see how they would throw the game out of balance.

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 7:59 PM

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@plucky oxide whilst I agree with you in general, I still think that receiving 15-20 gold over a key would still feel more rewarding as right now it just feels utterly useless

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 7:59 PM

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Other than making those end-game runs stronger on average.

stray radish Dec 25, 2018, 8:00 PM

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i mean, as it is now, some people will get all the new content as soon as it's released

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 8:00 PM

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You receive 85 gold

stray radish Dec 25, 2018, 8:00 PM

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with the amount of hoarded keys and darkness

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 8:00 PM

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75*

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 8:00 PM

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Because then you would no longer have the meta items diluting the reward pool.

stray radish Dec 25, 2018, 8:00 PM

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they should make early access cap for that

raven moon Dec 25, 2018, 8:00 PM

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Guys does anyone has screenshot with fully upgraded mirror?

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 8:00 PM

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@fickle hull no, i mean that when i would get a key from a room which i do not need at all i would much rather get a very small amount of gold so it feels like at least i did something

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Yeah, agree.

stray radish Dec 25, 2018, 8:01 PM

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and idk, maybe swap the room reward to healing items instead of stuff you dont need anymore

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so you dont get op build but you're not getting nothing

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idk

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Everything that isn't meta gives a marked buff to your run

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More death defiance, more entering the room heals, etc

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 8:02 PM

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Sure. I get the concern then that if all you got was run rewards, the strength of the character would be markedly higher.

stray radish Dec 25, 2018, 8:02 PM

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imo the more death defiance you have, the less impactful it is xD kinda

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 8:03 PM

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Not true.

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In my experience

stray radish Dec 25, 2018, 8:03 PM

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you just keep living stuff that'd kill you

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 8:03 PM

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I forget I still have Death Defiances left, so it's always a surprise.

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 8:03 PM

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@silent cliff A minimal reward is fine. 10-20 gold? Sure. But to suggest boons, health, poms, or Daedalus spawns in their place would be a nightmare for balance. They're put there as 'rewards' to pace your run-progression with overall-progression. I'd rather see them find more use back home, than anything else.

stray radish Dec 25, 2018, 8:03 PM

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not that im complaining, it's just an observation

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 8:03 PM

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The difference between beating Hydra and losing to Hydra might be 20 life

stray radish Dec 25, 2018, 8:03 PM

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might be

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 8:03 PM

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It has been for me

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 8:04 PM

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@plucky oxide i completely agree. we need the less useful rooms to keep the game challenging and thus, ultimately, fun.

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 8:04 PM

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Especially on my 4 pom lighting retaliation build

stray radish Dec 25, 2018, 8:04 PM

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i meant it in a way like 'eh ill be fine, i have 5 stacks of death defiance'

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xD

plucky oxide Dec 25, 2018, 8:04 PM

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A death defiance is like a centaur heart, just with five less health. V v good to be starting with three or four centaur hearts.

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 8:04 PM

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@plucky oxide By 'nightmare for balance" do you just mean that it would make stronger runs and therefore less challenge, which in your opinion would require rebalancing to keep the challenge?

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 8:04 PM

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when you have that many defiance buffs running that you run into the lava to kill the hydra with ares' revenge damage

stray radish Dec 25, 2018, 8:05 PM

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omg

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 8:05 PM

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Death Defiance is also better than a Centaur Heart -5 in most cases since it screens from over damage as well.

fickle hull Dec 25, 2018, 8:05 PM

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That's fair. I just don't want to be ruining future time gating of content because I have 80 keys and 500 darkness banked

silent cliff Dec 25, 2018, 8:06 PM

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By the way, i feel like ear skullring should only work with your first life or something, with 4+ defiances it is by far far far the strongest trinket imho

vapid mauve Dec 25, 2018, 8:06 PM

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finished the dashless run, got an absurd number of poms, lvl 9 Lightning Strike, +62 damage per hit

tired pivot Dec 25, 2018, 8:06 PM

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Also Death Defiance has the plus that you can proc it then get the heal from avenge.