As soon as I got the spear I never went back to another weapon #spear4life
#h1-builds-and-combat
rapid flicker
gleaming quiver
Lol, just found an interesting bug, with Sudden Sunder (the Sword upgrade that makes you "blink" when using the Sword's Special), if you tap fast enough, you can actually blink like, 10 times in a row... or to infinity, idk the map isn't big enough
granite sentinel
I'd say hunter dash should apply to specials but it's strong enough as it is
granite sentinel
Yes but that makes hunter dash even more of a no brainer
rapid flicker
Silverz you could put this in #hades-feedback-closed
sullen tree
umm
fruit ares poseiden or artemis
these options
hunter dash is already brainless
you just have no incentive to use special
granite sentinel
But is making an already strong boon even stronger really the solution to that problem
If it does end up applying to both it should only add a percentage when unupgraded, not a guaranteed crit immediately
sullen tree
its for first attack
which is honestly fine
though I do see your point
perhaps an icd
sullen tree
internal cooldown
sullen tree
568 damage from charged spear
with only lvl 3 poseiden
that's just sad
okay I'm confused
my max health is 113?
I thought max health went up by 25s
granite sentinel
Do you have Poseidons increased loot boon
sullen tree
ah
granite sentinel
That applies to max health as well
sullen tree
wow my first failed hydra run out of 7
gleaming quiver
Owww, I'm sad, Sudden Sunder doesn't make the dash Boons proc
That could have been even more hilarious/broken
sullen tree
sudden sunder?
gleaming quiver
The hammer upgrade that no one ever takes
granite sentinel
The sword special thing
gleaming quiver
Makes you blink when you do the Sword Special, yeah
granite sentinel
Same
gleaming quiver
Well, if it proc'ed the dash boons, it'd probably be "decent"
But right now it's pretty useless
You can do a simple dash and use the Special, no need for an upgrade to do that
sullen tree
apparently its spammable
gleaming quiver
It is, but I think it's a bug
granite sentinel
Maybe it could be good with poseidon stun or weak+sweet surrender on the special and empowering nova? But that's a lot of requirements and Poseidon sucks in asphodel
gleaming quiver
if you press the button fast enough, you can dash infinitly - but you have to be quite fast
sullen tree
better make it a feature to make it playable
I like this new athena meta
deflecting damage I usually would take with well timed attacks
granite sentinel
Athena having most damage increase makes sense lorewise, too
gleaming quiver
You can't have Empowering Nova and Sudden Sunder, they are both hammers upgrades
And it simply makes you do a dash (without boon effects) when you press the button, and then do the nova when you get to destination
granite sentinel
Do they lock each other out? I did n't know that
gleaming quiver
Once you get a Daedalus hammer, that's it, you pick one of the three options and that's what you'll be using for the rest of the run
Here's what Sudden Sunder can do if you press the Special button fast enough: https://gfycat.com/PastelCoolHagfish
granite sentinel
Nice?
full kelp
Wat
gleaming quiver
It's 100% more effective if you play a Sonic the Hedgehog soundtrack while doing it
gleaming quiver
yeah, currently writing it
tight bridge
aight
gleaming quiver
But yeah, I kinda hoped that this upgrade proced Dashed Boons, but it doesn't. Oh well
gleaming quiver
Blade Flurry? Or Flurry Blade, whatever it's called
sullen tree
flurry blade ya
gleaming quiver
I tried it not long ago, and yeah, it's actually quite good in fact
Makes your finger hurts, but fun to play and somewhat effective
full kelp
fluffy blade
gleaming quiver
IIRC, I got the Artemis boon for it, in Epic or Rare rarity, upgraded it a bit... That might actually be the best use for that boon instead of the crit dash
But my very first test was with Aphrodite. Big raw damage and nice Weak effect to protect myself from armored enemies
sullen tree
crit chance + attack speed is nice ya
I thin I got the last room decoration
finally
don't have to use that wallet anymore
gleaming quiver
Ahah, that's also the only use I made of it
warped raptor
Hey guys
I have a little trouble with fighting the hydra. After being hit by the 1st shot it seems like i can't dodge without taking 3 or 4 more in my face. Is it intended or am i just bad at the game?
Im talking about the shots after the 1st phase ofc
sullen tree
shots will stagger you
best way to avoid is standing right next to the hydra
the missiles will miss
that or behind a wall
just remember hydra is a pattern
turbid needle
The second+ phase "machine gun" shots will track back though, so get ready to dodge them
sullen tree
stand next to the boss
honestly a free damage phase
after I learned about that
meg is harder
turbid needle
Backstab damage seems to be weird/inconsistent for the hydra heads. For the main head I often get backstab indicators when attacking from the front while it's looking at me. For the other 6 heads orientation doesn't seem to matter at all, as long as you stand between their "root" and their head...
ocean halo
Whats the new modifiers for Aphro's attack buff ?
lost rose
+ Sure Footing (Athena): normalized base power level (No more Variance. Number???.)
+ Curse of Vengeance (Ares): reduced time until damage dealt (???)
+ Blade Dash (Ares): slightly increased damage, reduced duration (3 -> 5 damage per tick. Duration???)
+ Heartbreak Strike (Aphrodite): reduced damage bonus (+50% -> +20%)
+ Heartbreak Flourish (Aphrodite): reduced damage bonus (+75% -> +40%)
+ Sweet Surrender (Aphrodite): normalized base power level (No more Variance. Number given by dev in Discord = 1.0 ~ 1.5 -> 1.0)```mkay
tnx
Asking cuz i've got Poseidon's attack buff, and wastn sure about it
but knockback is hella fun anyways
rancid fractal
where do those numbers come from?
ocean halo
Damm, knockback on tripleshot bow is more then just fun
primal blaze
http://prntscr.com/lwhrob
wait .. wat? Where? How do i get this? x)
primal blaze
ohh that thing
lost rose
big, like, basins full of purple water
primal blaze
i'm an idiot x) i thouhght it is a keepsake x)
lost rose
naah it's a consumable item
primal blaze
thats the thing i never buy *lul
ocean halo
off
pretty good run
got 2 dmg reductions
from Aphro and Athena
And now when Aphros attack is nerfed, picking poseidon is realy good option
whole Asphodel just got tossed staight into lava
weary flare
Just a small question how do yoiu give a gift to the gods (Zeus and the bunch)
weary flare
Oh... yeah G was the key... i totaly did not press Q to do that
grand patrol
q for quift
ocean halo
there should de a hint bellow when you walk up to it
weary flare
Yeah now i see it god am i blind
grand patrol
dw its easy to miss!
weary flare
I tried to do a shield throw build but it's just not working. As soon as i get to the second area i have so much downtime because the shield is just flying around doing nothing. It's kinda annoing
steady wing
you need to pair it with a dash damage boon
I really like going heaving Zeus with the shield. you get the lighing on your Q and on your dash. Throw the shield, then proceed to bounce around during downtime
it works really well
you get range and damage while you dodge
weary flare
I used the zeus dash but still the shield was sometimes gone for over 15 seconds
steady wing
well, they did fix the shield return bug with second to last patch. since then I haven't had that many problems with it. Granted I now have a nearly completed mirror which helps any builds A TON
weary flare
I started yesterday, should i focus on the mirror first? Since i'm allready getting to hydra but there i allways die ^^
steady wing
yeah, focus on the mirror, as it starts getting completed, you'll see a drastic change in your hability to get to last boss
max the number of dashes and the number of "lives" first imo. then the dash and backstab bonus.
weary flare
Okay good then i allready got most of it
And one more thing, are some gods just rarer then others? Aphrodite and Poseidon only showed up once since i started playing and i allready got 30+ runs
steady wing
mmmm, good question, I haven't seen much of poseidon overal but once you start using the trinkets it does skew the appearance rates quite a bit
and on a full run you often see 4-5 different ones (although most of them time you can only "chose" 2 to 3 different ones and mostly go for upgrades)
weary flare
I just hope i see them soon to get the trinkets and try their boons out
cursive canyon
Hey guys, got two questions if anyone has answers. I'm still in the stage of "spamming buttons" rather than "thinking and making calculated moves" so hasn't figured it out.
- Does deflect mechanic work on melee hits in terms of avoiding damage?
- Does dodge have an iframe or is it just a reposition? I sometimes get hit during chained dodges
granite sentinel
Yes to deflect (if you mean athenas) no to iframes
cursive canyon
So essentially delfect is the iframe if we are talking about athena's dodge upgrade?
Does it also returns melee damage back or just ignores it?
granite sentinel
Returns it back
The shield weapon can block too, but not deflect, and you can shoot projectiles out of the air
With any attack
autumn yarrow
dodge has some i frames tho...
that or i guess i'm just used to dodging early
but I coulda sworn it had some, but less than expected
granite sentinel
If it does have some it's too short to rely on dodging through attacks
granite jackal
Dodge had iFrames added to it in the second-most recent Patch
I find it's much easier to weave away from AoE/Splash attacks by Dashing away from them now, for example
And much more often I'm able to dash through / INTO an attack and be completely unscathed
Just, you REALLY need to make sure the attack is passing through the space where you flicker out
It can't touch you near the beginning or end of the animation, you have to cleanly go through each other in the middle
Overall it's way safer to just dodge around stuff instead of into it
ocean halo
Or you can take Athena's dash
autumn yarrow
i hate the delay on athena's dash
ocean halo
idunno, i think its cool
autumn yarrow
same reason i didn't take poseidon's or ares's before
torn blaze
oops
ocean halo
Wrong channel
autumn yarrow
nice
ocean halo
@autumn yarrow yeah ...?
It still can win you the run
ocean halo
Im talking about new one
autumn yarrow
yes the new one is nice
ocean halo
Poseidon's looked cool at least
errant narwhal
theyre still in the game with the trial enemies which is fun
i like seeing bloodless spin in circles when they dash lol
jolly atlas
Using the beyblade technique
sudden radish
Hey any ideas why the Special with the sword is the only attack that doesn't do backstab damage? I mean you can hardly call the sword overpowered. Especially since they removed the lifesteal (deservedly so).
I mean you could argue that it would do too much damage (especially with the supernova upgrade), but that is exactly what the spear spin can do, and with the spear you don't suffer the long recovery time. Granted you need to charge it, but that isn't too long.
autumn yarrow
I feel like the shield special also can't backstab? can totally be wrong it's my least played now... lmao
sudden radish
The shield special can backstab.
autumn yarrow
tbh it could even just be a bug no idea man
sudden radish
Yeah I wondered if it was a bug or intende.d
or if it was a bug that the spear spin backstabbed when it shouldn't.
I was just curious
I just find the sword has longer recovery time and it's attacks and kind of a meager base damage. I can complete runs with it, but I prefer pretty much any other weapon.
gray oak
is there an easy way to tell which people I have given a gift to to get their relic? Is it those heart+gift icons in the menu?
autumn yarrow
yes?
sudden radish
Yes. If you look at them in the codex there are hearts there
autumn yarrow
tbh each only need 1 heart
sudden radish
1 heart filled in means you gave them some
autumn yarrow
except dad, he doesn't love you
gray oak
thanks. I wasn't paying attention if those went up for gifts or just chatting.
pearl willow
I'd guess because it's something to do with it's AoE nature while not being a true attack. Admittedly in practice it seems curious that spin can but one is an attack and the other is a special I suppose. Somewhere along the way Aphrodite dash lost backstab and poseidon dash has never had it and I'd say they're similar to sword special in being non-attack/non-cast AoEs.
sudden radish
I believe they only go up with gifts.
autumn yarrow
yes
sudden radish
@pearl willow That makes sense. Especially considering the changes to the dash attack.
The sword needs some love though. In my opinion it is the weapons.
it s the weakest of the base weapons*. not sure how I meesed that sentence up so thoroughly.
dire crystal
Ares' dash btw is so powerful versus meg, because you can have her dash next to a wall and then just repeatedly dash at the wall to build up like easy 50 consistent dps that just melts her
sudden radish
I saw they tweaked the Ares dash in the last patch. Is it better in practice/
pearl willow
The base damage is competitive imo. It just doesn't have the benefit of a 'charge' attack which is a great way for spear to easily chunk enemies immediately or for shield to safely whittle down groups. I think it's fine otherwise - I really really like it when I have Blade Flurry in particular.
grand patrol
i like the dash better this way tbh yeah
sudden radish
@pearl willow Is blade furry the one where you attack faster without the lunge?
grand patrol
you get to leave A TRAIL OF DESCTRUTION and its v fun
dire crystal
The dash is incredible if you get the aoe upgrade
pearl willow
yeah, you attack crazy quick. just feels good though you still want an attack boon nonetheless for damage.
sudden radish
@pearl willow I'll have to try that one out.
dire crystal
just dont get blade fury + poseidon's upgrade unless you want enemies to be impossible to hit with your attack consistently lol
sudden radish
lol yeah that would kinda ruin it
autumn yarrow
you can get them into a wall
and proc wall slam 20 times at once 
the secret is to go along the wall as opposed to into it
sudden radish
I still usually avoid Ares' Boons. I know they keep buffing him, but I feel his bonuses don't scale as well as the other gods. I haven't done the hard math mind you, but his flat damage bonus means it won't benefit from crit, backstab, etc. Also since it doesn't trigger on every hit because of the delay.
dire crystal
the issue is that not everywhere has a wall lol
autumn yarrow
lava is good too
dire crystal
and if youre gonna shove em into lava better to do it with the sword special tbh
sudden radish
@dire crystal Especially in the 2nd zone.
dire crystal
yeee
autumn yarrow
i'm just kidding lol I know it's bad but the bad things are where it's fun
dire crystal
very true
i love playing the shield w/ posdeidon's attack upgrade just to see people go wheeeeee
sudden radish
@dire crystal yeah finding out that knockback effects stack was a hilariously great thing.
dire crystal
ikr
autumn yarrow
alex I like ares's attack boon for spear because it promotes safe play
to optimize dps i would prefer to hit a target less as opposed to going ham
pearl willow
ares curse fires pretty quick now, i didn't hate it. it's definitely less amusing than the alternatives though.
autumn yarrow
that makes me more conscious of my commit and incoming attacks
yea but there's still just enough delay attacking twice is slightly less efficient?
sudden radish
@autumn yarrow I like his boon on the shield special. Since the bounce makes it delay and it's base damage is poor. I never thought of it encouraging a different play style. It's pretty neat when you think of it that way.
autumn yarrow
ya it was the only way for me to figure out spear LOOOL
i was so bad and hated using the spin but ares made me a better player, the shield having pretty much a one attack combo does the same thing
sudden radish
@autumn yarrow I hated the spear until I realized you could charge then spin and then dash. It lets you hit enemies even farther away and get reliable backstab damage with it.
Quickly became my favorite.
autumn yarrow
ya it's definitley strong but i wrongly prefer a style that hits the most buttons with a fast flow lmao
sudden radish
lol I get that. Personally I am a big fan of the shield mainly because it has so many different things it can do. It feels very dynamic.
With the spear all I do is spin dash repeat. While effective it makes combat a bit formulaic.
turbid needle
Lightning dash is such a fun and bonkers tool
ocean halo
Nah, not as broken as Ares or Artemis one
autumn yarrow
fun
exotic hazel
Shield is life \ [-] /
Dash charging is such fun, it feels like youre in an anime lol
dire crystal
yknow i have a bias for the shield but i dont really like dash charging lol
kind marten
I tried a spear special build because someone recommended it, but please enlighten me; is Trick Shot (the bounce spear) just trash. It seems to me that it takes the best thing about spear special, the penetrating part, and just removes it for no good reason. The spear just stops when it hits an enemy.
turbid needle
You get a lot of guarenteed backstabs with it
I teched up to max my baxstab damage and i basicly onshotted thingss as a result
kind marten
Not when the spear stops right in front of them and doesn't go through them
turbid needle
It does go trugh thou.
kind marten
Not with Trick Shot it seems (the bouncing Daedalus upgrade)
turbid needle
Ohhh
kind marten
That's why it sucks, so does it have any redeeming qualities?
dire crystal
its the worst
pearl willow
Never used it. From the sounds of it I would expect it to behave like shield special but that still doesn' t sound very appealing.
dire crystal
spear coming back pulls enemies into you
kind marten
I'll try Poseidon. It sounds fun, if weird.
pearl willow
I had one great spear special build with 100% crit special / level 3 epic aphro special / sweet surrender / artemis crit damage boon and it wasn't bad. But I also had 1 artemis dash and 1 aphro attack boon and that was just plain better except for maybe spearing crystals/witches over lava.
pulsar loom
Poseidon makes me sad. Fun build, but only counts as damage boost vs bosses
dire crystal
what?
pulsar loom
Knockback doesn't work
granite sentinel
I think the poseidon cast is decent for meg as crowd control for her minions
pulsar loom
I figure if her minions are a problem for the build, that run isn't likely going to go much further anyway
dire crystal
lol i mean i can win almost any run vs hydra so i dont think its just a build issue
some builds have less crowd control than others
poseidon's cast is great for that
zeus' is alos
pulsar loom
Post nerf most runs at least make it to hydra or deathboat, so that isn't too surprising.
In any event- I got a legendary boon, is that just a super low random % chance, or was it because I had so many boons from the same god already?
pulsar loom
Figured. Just uncommon to get a bunch of boons for the same god
turbid needle
Spear with poseidon is fun. You get like, 3-4 hits in with one spear throw and it knocks them about
autumn yarrow
Gratz dude
regal valve
Thanks man!
dire crystal
gratz lol
regal valve
Somebody mentioned that the Hydra's projectile phases are vulnerable to backstabs. That helped a lot. Just be sure to dash out before the darts loop around.
Also, flurry+deflect is just Fun in general. basically free damage during Meg's Bullet hell phase. Also helps with the Twins and their copies in Asphodel if you stay right at max sword range.
sullen tree
Twins?
regal valve
The bomber mini boss duo in Tartarus
kind marten
Oh c'mon but. You delete my entire message because I said a word that isn't even a real swear. Lighten up, robot.
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It was a long message and now it's gone. Fantastic. Good job.
rapid flicker
Rip your message
dire crystal
I mean the server has rules and they decided that it was a swear so they added it. Sucks to have your message deleted but still no need to yell at the bot for doing its job
Spikes can backstab enemies??? lmao thats funny
clever perch
Does anyone have a list of the boons mobs get during god trials?
I know that Ares' causes blade rifts to spawn with them and Poseidon's gives them the ability to use tidal dash, but beyond that I'm not 100% sure
dire crystal
Artemis gives them occasional crits
i know cuz i just got hit for 24 damage from one bomber
ouch
clever perch
That's what I figured but wasn't sure
Ye I remember getting oneshot and being confused af
Maybe Artemis' gives you the weak debuff on hit?
clever perch
*Aphrodite's ye
dire crystal
i know the shield one gives shields occasionally which make enemies invulnerable
dire crystal
ive never seen lightning bolts from zeus but idk
they seem to teleport around a lot randomly?
clever perch
Never done a Zeus trial -- I'll test it if I can
dire crystal
Okay so odd... bug?
Zeus' Storm Lightning, if you get a power pom for it, i have passed upgrading it since +8 strikes is already a lot, but its said the upgrade is both +10 and +12 on different poms??? Very confused.
worldly warren
I believe it's always the god's dash boon
(In the trials)
Because I've seen Aphrodite's enemies have Passion Dash, Poseidon's have Tidal Dash, etc
clever perch
Has anyone noticed that if you click at the right time upon landing in the very first room it will cause the text "perfect landing" to appear with a slightly different animation when you hit the ground?
dire crystal
ye
unique nest
hey guys quick question... whats the best way to beat the second boss at asphodel... the snake lookin dude
i pretty much specced to max out my sword special
unique nest
kinda hard
grand patrol
thanks hypnos
autumn yarrow
so each of the "minor" heads has a specific attack pattern
they first charge you
and then they do their special thing, green ones spawn these eggs which will make more ads, black ones do the ground slam, pink? will shoot lava
I'd say black is hardest to react to, so I save them for last, start by focusing the pink and green ones
after they dash, you can typ8cally go super ham on them since their next "attack" won't direclty damage you
I want to say their aggro rhythm is also in sync with the main head, which switches between spitting darts and charging and doing a ground slam
but can't confirm, just wait out the attack before going ham, worse case scenario is obviously all 6 heads are black heads
as for the main guy, when he's alone, phase 1 he spits 5 single darts, and the other ones he spits like 10
when he does 10, he does not redirect them, so you can just dodge through him and hit him for free
unique nest
i been spamming sword special buff setups so far but its getting dry... any setups u reccomend?
autumn yarrow
careful as some darts will circle around all the way, but you can position yourself so they run into the wall
i like attack builds cause it lets you stay on the move
unique nest
attack?
autumn yarrow
attack and dash builds
unique nest
with sword
autumn yarrow
ya, my most fun was with flurry strikes lol
unique nest
what does flurry strikes do
autumn yarrow
when attacking faster I like to have zeus's chain lightning haha
unique nest
i got that as my starter bonus for the run
vast scarab
hey guys i gots a question
vast scarab
what does ambrosia do? i just got some and have 0 clues
autumn yarrow
you can gift them to people and they will give you keepsakes
keepsakes are items that you can start a run with and they can help you
things like +25 hp, do more daamge under 40% hp, sruvive death with 10 hp
vast scarab
does it go away if i die?
vast scarab
i mean the ambrosia
vast scarab
WOOOO
autumn yarrow
i should mention you can give them to gods before cashing in boons
and then at the start of a run you can guarentee a boon from them
rapid flicker
I was just fighting Meg and for a brief moment I was really slow?? I didn’t manage to catch a recording but it was weird and I died soon after it started
autumn yarrow
that is what is normally used I think
vast scarab
ahhh. so who exactly can i give them to other than gods?
vast scarab
achillies it is. i love ma drunk boi
autumn yarrow
charon and sysiphus too
vague ferry
while on the topic, how do the olympian god's keepsakes function? It say that ex. "All of Artemis' boons are stronger" or something like that. Do you have to keep it for the boons to stay upgraded?
autumn yarrow
you ge tteh stronger boon on pickup, so that part of the effect persists
rapid flicker
Check the codex (C or LB) to see who you’ve given gifts to.
vague ferry
does it only work on the first pickup?
autumn yarrow
should be all of them tho i'm not 100% sure
I think the crit dash by default has 2 hits, so it should be
as opposed to 1
vague ferry
haven't had the patience to test it yet lol
autumn yarrow
if you change keepsakes at meg, I believe you cannot go back to it
can confirm if it's from an olympian god, not sure for other people's
vast scarab
Broooooooo i just did 1108 dmg
vague ferry
Ya I always chose a God's keepsake and then change it there to another ones
vast scarab
whos the best to gift ambosia to?
worthy dust
From the start? Cerberus I guess
stray radish
depends which keepsake you want the most
autumn yarrow
If I had to be super meta, cerberus, meg (skull earing?>) and any god other than poseidon
stray radish
so probably the doggo, yea
worthy dust
People really don't like Poseidon. Breaks my heart.
stray radish
i still need to get Ares Q.Q
autumn yarrow
athena makes killing witches really easy, if u run into witches
unique nest
personally i love ares and the huntress
stray radish
got his boon once but you apparently cant gift in Charon's shop so rip me
autumn yarrow
and her attack buff isn't the weakest
vague ferry
Well yea, or you pick poseidon and you kil leverything more easily like lol
autumn yarrow
yea you can't gift in charon's shop or in trials
stray radish
huh
stray radish
yea i know xD
unique nest
how do you guys feel about rapid shot for bows... no charge time but 20% less damage
stray radish
didnt know about the trials
autumn yarrow
ohhh yea
worthy dust
It's decent. I liked it when I had it.
autumn yarrow
I guess it's too stressful
vague ferry
Ehh.. rather have triple shot
autumn yarrow
they aren't swayed by sweet liquor
vague ferry
If there's that option open
stray radish
haha yeah
worthy dust
I hated trials at first, now I love them. Extra boons. Yes please
autumn yarrow
rapid shot sounds alright but I think I normally just go with the hghest damage one
triple shot > point blank > distant shot
vague ferry
^
stray radish
i dont think ive ever done a trial actually. gotta get them sometime
autumn yarrow
I kind of want to test quick shot now that i've polayed the game more tho hmmm
vague ferry
does quick shot cancel out the dmg from the charged sshot? (don't know the name , it's when you flash)
autumn yarrow
perfect shot?
vague ferry
ya
autumn yarrow
I hope not
would check the wiki but it's blocked at work xD
ifi t doesn't, potentially it can have more damage if u can input dashes and attacks that much faster
it'd be easier to use artemis's dash too, you can easily just upgrade and use all the shots instead of just 1
vague ferry
Yeah sure, but you already draw the bow faster after a dash and without the -20% dmg
- you get the 50%(?) dmg bonus for a charged shot
autumn yarrow
it's just an idea, but if it's a sacrafice of even 100% damage but much easier execution
you cant guarentee a perfect shot all the time esp under pressure
mmm cool to think about
vague ferry
You can if you're not bad at timing 
clever perch
Neat interaction, unsure if its a bug, but your spear special can trigger traps if the floating spear remains on top of the plate
lost rose
yeah the bow does that too if you fire arrows over the trap plates
it feels unintentional but also could be useful?
clever perch
Its really decent to deal with a mass of pink crystal enemies if you kite them onto plates
nova cedar
am i the only one that hates all the weapons now
the sword feels the least awkward and useless
errant narwhal
honestly i think theyre all really good now
especially the bow, now that it pierces
wooden copper
personally I feel like the only real issue concerning the weapons is that the shield sometimes just rather fly around doing nothing if you throw it in certain rooms in spoilers Asphodel
leaving you disarmed for a good few seconds
in fact, I think I'll mention that in the feedback
lost rose
aw man is that still a problem??
it was addressed in a patch a few days ago but i guess it's still got some issues
wooden copper
I only got the game like, yesterday, so I don't know how much it improved from what you said
but there were moments where I was running like a headless chicken for a solid 3 or 4 seconds cuz my shield is in god knows where
lost rose
Yeah no this patch was several days ago
if you got the game yesterday it would've been in its current version. that sucks tho
wooden copper
so I fought the Hydra a few times now, annoying thing it is
wooden copper
its projectiles seems to be immune to attacks and deflect
wooden copper
does anyone know if that's intended
autumn yarrow
Yes i mean why wouldn't you put a weakness in an otherwise extremely safe ability
wooden copper
I'm talking about the Hydra's homing projectiles not being deflectable
autumn yarrow
Oh, i think so still it's been that way for a long time
It's not hard to dodge either
wooden copper
I don't have an issue with dodging them
upper mural
They’re differently shaped projectiles
But it is off putting that they don’t teach you that beforehand
autumn yarrow
Mhmm I'm not saying you are, id imagine they aren't delectable and stuff because they are so easy to dodge
graceful bough
TIL you can charge up the spear and then dash
upper mural
The hit stun on them is a bit mad though
wooden copper
it was just a little jarring to me when the Deflect mechanic, which has been consistently doing its intended function against literally everything else in the game, did not work on this one type of projectile in my attempts to defend against it
wooden copper
deflect also works on melee attacks
wooden copper
but at least there's clarity with the brimstones since they don't use a projectile
they use a beam
wooden copper
from my observations concerning the bombs
you can only deflect bombs while they're in the air
I did not make much attempts deflecting bombs that already landed since my first instinct was getting away from there like the plague
deflected bombs seem to return to the point of origin, not necessarily to the Bloodless that threw it
I don't know if deflected bombs deal damage to you, since I rather not stand next to any explosives
indigo compass
no ambrosia keeps coming anyway:p
rapid flicker
Well, you only really need the presents but gifting more than once is good to use up your ambrosia bottles and just to get a bit of new dialogue or something
static wren
so can any character give something back twice?
indigo compass
no only once u get a keepsake
wooden copper
each character has a specific number of how many ambrosias they'll accept from you
Hades will accept an impressive number of one from you
indigo compass
at this time yes after that u cant even gift anymore
wispy moon
Can you get boons that add knockback to the spear?
granite jackal
Poseidon Attack / Special
rapid flicker
I prefer Poseidon special for the spear
misty whale
Poseidon with the sword special is fun....then I got the legendary Poseidon boon that knocks 'em back twice! (Those blue crystals were never seen again)
rain axle
Poseidon is the worst god at the moment bosses don't care about knock back
wooden copper
if you say so
dense holly
agree on poseidon and athena being the worst gods but for the bow from my experience so far
wispy moon
I'm a bad player and knockback is really useful or else I die super quick
dense holly
well, athena's deflect on the special is the only good thing. the rest from those 2 I use is the extra gold,darkness,hp
rain axle
Chill your jets on athena she has damage reduction% no other god has that
dense holly
I don't intend on getting hit when I play bow
and aphrodite has better damage reduc if u want it
rain axle
for now it will be nerfed 50% on weakness is too much
It really should scale starting at 15%
dense holly
ye. still, she has 2 effects to reduce damage
rain axle
from "nearby" foes it is situational athena's is not
really though I just pick Zeus and 100% clear every run so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hard holly
So then, I guess Athena is now the best god for damage boons?
rain axle
zeus is the best
hard holly
Eh, doesnt scale
He is good with Flurry blade, and maybe spear, but mediocre otherwise
torn blaze
its possible to get 2 hammers in a run, right?
misty whale
Yeah - I did a "cast only" run with Are's blade rift before it was nerfed. Got it up to level 7 or something crazy, was killing everything in it's path that it could hit
rapid flicker
As soon as I maxed out my death defiance I started to kill Meg more often. I should definitely try to avoid taking damage as much as possible during her fight though, haha.
zenith ice
I've just been starting off with the blood vial, shield, and putting every pom I get into more curse damage
pearl willow
dang, they really did reduce aphrodite attack damage. just got an epic one for 49% at level one and i think it used to be closer to twice that
rain axle
I did the same with Aries cast before nerf I had it high enough to do 55 damage a tic
I killed hydra before the first head came out
epic could get up to 100%
weakness is broken so it didn't make sense to have the highest dmg% and weakness on the same god
So starting today I'm not being offered legendary buffs I had every Zues buff. The last one it offered me had no choices at all.
forest marsh
Weird... Might be worth a bug report
golden minnow
I got some legend buffs today. Very rarely ofc
No offers at all seems suspicious though. Wish you could choose to Pom or take the blessing. So you didn't have to commit to a bad boon yet still get something for it.
torn blaze
am i the only one that feels like the walls in asphodel rarely cause "wall smash"
granite sentinel
No, that came up a few days ago already
torn blaze
hm okay. also, does poseidon knockback stack with aegis?
granite sentinel
Not sure in practice because I never had that boon on shield base attack
white shell
@torn blaze Im not sure, but it sure feels like it does
rough condor
Got aegis boon to increase damage and remove knock back from attack. A few rooms after that I got the poseidon attack boon which gives attack % and knock back. The knock back returned so you can't evoide the knock back with the aegis boon.
wise spear
Poseidon's knockback is a second knockback after the first
So it does stack in a way
Its more noticable if you got poseidon's boon on the sword's special
turbid needle
I just played the bow with the three-shot and crit boon + crit boon dmg. To be honest it wasnt even fun. Hydra went down in 1 minute, Critting for 300dmg (x3), all the adds where oneshotable
harsh kelp
yeah I had that boon setup once, it's nasty
three-shot is really strong
Also realized in my most recent run that Artemis dash = guaranteed critical damage slash dashes
obtuse merlin
I found the new buff on the sword special really powerful, together with 200 % and extra range improvements and a good boon you could just be stationary and kill all crowds hardly taking any damage, damage output was a bit low to easily kill hydra though
errant narwhal
oh my god
i have the yarn but the game just wont give me any boons
i have level 5 divine strike and thats it, athena wont show up any more kjghk
every time a boon showed up after the very first (which was guaranteed because i have athenas keepsake) its been aphrodite
one in the bombers room, one in a shop, and now one in the boat room
steady wing
level 5... pretty much anything should be able to carry you to victory though
errant narwhal
I DONT WANT THEM...... LET ME DEFLECT
autumn yarrow
wait I thought athena was an owl
errant narwhal
yeah
autumn yarrow
oh wait i remember yarn now
errant narwhal
the yarn makes the next boon you take more powerful, its an item from the well
granite sentinel
Someone told Aphro she's your dicord avatar
errant narwhal
aphrodite i love u but i just want Sure Footing
autumn yarrow
are we 100% sure that the keepsake increases chances btw?
I've never really felt that was super true
errant narwhal
it just guarantees the first and increases rarity level
errant narwhal
luckily i had the option to skip aphrodites boons by always choosing the other room or not buying it
so i still have the yarn
but wow. please.
i got artemis now
for the love of
do i take epic true shot or rare hunter dash
autumn yarrow
what's true shot again
autumn yarrow
actually yea
do you like athena dash?
i feel like if I was gonna do one, athena's dash is most feels bad for me
autumn yarrow
yea
so if there was an athena boon to NOT take it would be the dash > if you have to take someone else's boon take the dash ^_^
dense ether
i guess it's well known, but oh boy i love to combine aegis and poseidon attack knockback. If you haven't tried it out, you definitely should
grand patrol
beef ur health
indigo compass
centaur would be my pick prolly:p
errant narwhal
ough i only have critdash and divine strike
indigo compass
what weapon?
errant narwhal
spear
indigo compass
for charge spin it should be enough :p
errant narwhal
might as well buy the ambrosia just so i have it because im not getting the hydra 
obtuse merlin
centaur you only add minor damage at this point most likely
plush blaze
Centaur in late game always seems useless to me since I'm never anywhere near max hp
Unless you have lifedrinker
turbid needle
But rip lifedrinker
indigo compass
yeahit also heals yeah wiitch is sometimes more important than the actual max increase:p
plush blaze
More expensive though if you're buying both from shops
indigo compass
if its the only option its something
autumn yarrow
🤷 if you just need the hp, that's the only point to it
plush blaze
well.. yeah if it's the only option then yes? 🤷
Original point was about zeus boon vs centaur heart so that was what I was basing it on
errant narwhal
well i died at the last phase so
indigo compass
yeah if ur on very low health it can be worth taking instead of a boon
errant narwhal
i dont think anything couldve helped me
grand patrol
awwww
indigo compass
are u using the spin charge dash?
errant narwhal
its fine, i wasnt planning on winning since i just skipped on so many boons
yep
a head spawned right behind me and got me before i could dash away
indigo compass
ok its pretty good even with only artemis but yeah movement wise it gets tricky sometimes:p
turbid needle
He pulled a sneaky on ya
indigo compass
just died on a spear run myself
rain axle
spear + zeus is a guaranteed clear
gusty lichen
I've done ~30 runs so far, and every instance of the "damage hole portal" (on my phone and forgot the name) have only spawned either darkness or gold and it just feels like they are not worth going into (in addition to not having choice in the next room) Is this all that spawns in them, or have I just been unlucky?
rain axle
you should always skip the portals they are worthless
they only spawn darkness or gold
gusty lichen
Ah, so I wasn't unlucky and they are just currently lack luster?
rain axle
They are fine early game for farming darkness but could get gold instead
though you don't get to choose what room comes next it is an extra room it doesn't take you any further in the progression
unkempt spruce
the first time I used chaos portal I got a boon but since then just coins/darkness
rain axle
boons were removed
they are still doing a lot of work to the game seem to have an update everyweek
pastel jolt
still
obtuse merlin
@rain axle any specific zeus boon you like with spear?
pearl willow
personally i find zeus special/attacks pretty underwhelming for all weapons but quite like his cast
autumn yarrow
his attack is good if ur attacking a lot
round relic
the only weapon i'm any good with is special spamming with aegis. does that mean i'm a scrub? :P
innate knockback on the attack and homing on the ranged special just feels... way too good
uneven oracle
You haven't tried the crit-spin spear build?
round relic
i have not. i never feel like i have the time/space to wait for the spin to charge
uneven oracle
So, here's the basic idea.
Take the spear, and try to get the boon from... crap, name blanking... huntress chick
round relic
sits down at his desk. It's time for learning!
uneven oracle
Artemis.
graceful bough
Presumably once you unlock God's Pride the keys serve no further purpose in the current build.
uneven oracle
Get the boon that guarantees a crit after dash.
Charge up your spear at a safe distance, and then dash to dash and execute a crit spear.
Guaranteed AOE crit
round relic
wait, you can dash while holding a charged up spear attack?
uneven oracle
Once you dash, it will perform the spin, but you can charge at a distance, then dash into range and hit everyone
It's broken
round relic
huh! mindblown
uneven oracle
If you get clean kill and some other damage boosts, or even the spear upgrade that increases the AOE or decreases time to charge...
It's ridiculous. Can deal 800+ damage to the hydra each hit.
Or multiple hydra heads at once.
That boon alone, the charge>crit one is stupid broken.
round relic
i've only made it past Meg a few times, haven't even seen a hydra
uneven oracle
To the point I don't even wanna play the game anymore.
round relic
sounds like they should switch it so that dashes cancel chargeups, instead of activating
uneven oracle
Yeah. That artemis boon also needs to be Legendary or at the very least not guarantee 1+ crits. Maybe increase your chance of a crit on your next hit, but not guarantee.
turbid needle
I have never tried World splitter before on sword and I am currently loving it.
Totally goes well with my playstyle of hitting once and dodging away
golden minnow
@gusty lichen Late reply but they are called Bloodgates. Just so you know, there is an item that guarantees their spawn too. Sometimes I use them to skip tough looking rooms or to pick them instead of another door. I use Dusa's Duster so you can pretty much regen all health lost. Since you get max 3 health every time you transition a room so of the 11+ hp you spend you get 6 back and like 8 if you find a snack in the pots down there.
Usually you should skip them. And they are kinda lackluster but there are instances where they come in handy. If you are having a bad run you can just grab the hopefully extra darkness so you get 20 instead of 10. Little bits add up.
hidden pendant
Hi fellows ! So I've been playing for the last two days and trying different stuff, and I have quickly seen that both bow and spear can be insanely OP, I very much like the sword with a build on Special or worldsplitter, but i still don't get the goal of the shield... I just finished a run with a special bouncing build and additional knockback on attacks, and, although i must admit that sending enemies off screen with one hit was hilarious, I am left wondering what the goal of the aegis is against bosses... Any recommendations ?
turbid needle
I am still confused about the shield, It can be strong at times but struggles a lot towards bosses in my opinion.
sullen tree
shield has 2 strong builds
1 is the dash attack build that every weapon shines with
the other is the revenge block build
cause if you get like zeus revenge that hits for 50 damage
turbid needle
The revenge triggers when holding up the shield?
hidden pendant
Oh, getting hit while blocking still triggers revenges ?
sullen tree
yes
sullen tree
though I think my best advice is just never spec into special
sullen tree
end lag is too long
turbid needle
It should honestly say ingame that shield block can trigger revenge. I am pretty sure not many people are aware of that.
hidden pendant
yeah true, the animations are pretty long i agree
tulip sky
Is the bone hourglass still the best keepsake in your opinions? I think it is
tulip sky
Yeah that’s my 2nd favorite.
sullen tree
bone hourglass is the life one?
tulip sky
Bone hour glass let’s well of Charon items be active for +3 extra rooms
sullen tree
ah
tulip sky
I always use it for the cyclops jerky (+20% damage for 6 rooms) and then the always spawn chests for 6 rooms. I always have like 500 gold per run and am able to buy extra poms and blessings from Charon. My builds are always insane
tulip sky
Would you guys say Artemis has best standard attack blessing too for the bow? The bone hourglass and my jerky got nerfed in the last update lol
sullen tree
no
don't ever get artemis attack
well I guess if you get the sword attack speed one
hidden pendant
yeah the one on the dash is better
sullen tree
or for spear
I could see it being good
but artemis dash + flat damage
is usually the best setup
tulip sky
Yeah I know the dash is better projekt but you could get her dash and her attack
hidden pendant
absolutely, that's what i did the first time, but in that case the attack one is really underwhelming
i mean, having +60% crit chance when you have 3-4 guaranteed crits after each dash really felt useless
rotund stratus
Someone plz teach me how to get aegis to consistently deflect
errant narwhal
aegis doesnt deflect anymore
rotund stratus
Oh no
errant narwhal
but still blocks when you hold down the bullrush
turbid needle
The block ability is nice but attacking with any weapons kills projectiles sooo
Doesn't seem like a good perk to me
rotund stratus
I need blocking mostly for megs bullet hell
turbid needle
Ok, if you play other melee weapons just spam normal attack or dodge, and for bow just spam special or dodge
turbid needle
Try to stay in the middle of the room when she does that so you can just dodge around her
(And attack)
ocean halo
or kill her before she'll even get a chance to cast it ))
rotund stratus
assuming I can do anything other than mash keys
turbid needle
It's true you're a ferret
You should try munching your keyboard, your paws are too small :p
rotund stratus
This is the first ferret joke I've received in this server thank you so much
turbid needle
The upgrade that'll make the game easier is the one that gives you multiple dashes, the rest is extra.
Your welcome
rotund stratus
Dude I super underestimated the dash upgrades until I got the first one and it changed my life
rapid flicker
Dash boon is best boon
turbid needle
Zeus epic dash boon is fun
rapid flicker
Hell yeah it is
turbid needle
Give it all the pomegranates
rapid flicker
That's my favorite one
turbid needle
Too bad the boneless wait for you to end your dash to attack
steady wing
well, you just need to make sure that your last dash is away from them 😄 I see ppl on stream doing 3 dashes just to end in the middle of a pack.... that small ~1sec of pause between series of dash is all that they need 😐
when I'm fighting them, I always just do 2 dashes instead of one. In the end we very rarely need more than 1 or 2
turbid needle
I try to do that now yeah
Am I the only one having a hard time seeing the boneless during the hydra fight ?
steady wing
well, there is a lot going on on screen when they appear
and they somethings spawns behind the two walls
just hard to keep track
turbid needle
They're really small compared to the heads and grey on a dark blue background is meh
steady wing
best options is to smash the eggs if you can afford it 😃
I find the numbers on the eggs easy enough to see, a lot easier than the boneless
turbid needle
Yeah. Dang I got some feedback about hydra but styxbot won't show up
errant narwhal
it took me an embarrassingly long time to realize theyre "eggs" and not just a timed explosion
or something that will hurt you on contact
turbid needle
The spikes may be too much ? Had that impression too
errant narwhal
theres just..... so much going on i didnt make the connection for a good while between them and the bloodless. 😅
steady wing
they don't have much health so if you have any kind of dash damage you can usually just "jump on them" to remove them before they hatch
turbid needle
Ares dash is 👌 for this
steady wing
any dash really. ever since the last nerf I've been REALLY liking Zeus's one. the fact that is "seeks" a nearby target often means you can, without much effort, lands all 3 hits on the same target
its a bit harder to hit what you want when there is a crowd but then again, its a small aoe
dash damage does feel like it makes the game a bit too easy though
you just pick one early, level it and as soon as you reach 40+ damage per jump you likely have a winning run in your hand regardless of the rest of your setup
marsh barn
Zeus boons are by far my favourite for damage
I like Artemis for the big crits but Zeus can just clear a room ezpz
steady wing
Artemis dash crit boost is no joke for sure
turbid needle
I find it nice that for the bow you can attack and then dash to make the hit crit
sullen tree
man poseiden attack boon feels terrible to use
it has the second highest damage but the fact that enemies get knocked away in the second act makes it near unplayable
especially when they are flying enemies and they take forever to make it back into your range
turbid needle
The knockback mechanic seems to be the weakest so far. That's a bummer cause it's really fun
marsh barn
Idk I love Poseidon with shield or bow
sullen tree
poseiden is great act 1
so pretty much I don't touch him if possible
how does the fruit work
like on athena attack is it always 20%
autumn yarrow
@ocean halo deflect damages meg, it's only 4 damage tho
burnt robin
Quick question: on a new playthrough after acquiring the Codex, are new enemies supposed to appear immediately on it, or does it also take a few kills for them to be recorded for the first time?
errant narwhal
takes a few kills
maybe like.... 10? dont take my word for it, i just know theyre usually not immediately there
pastel jolt
yeah, it takes a few kills
burnt robin
ty
opaque kernel
yall what is the games best weapon?
peps say the shield aint too good but I only beat the fury with it D; and the spear isnt for me
errant narwhal
its subjective
bow is really good now if youre used to how to play it thought because it pierces now
limber wadi
There are people who like each of the weapons.
actually, I don't hear about the sword quite as much, I guess.
but people do use it
autumn yarrow
I think just the shield is in a weak spot
limber wadi
my favorite is the shield, but that's because it fits my playstyle more. I play characters who can charge into melee like that
autumn yarrow
and bow is probably overtuned, I can finish my run on average like 5-10 minutes faster
opaque kernel
because the charge is good (the ult is meh tho)
autumn yarrow
ya I think the shield definitely has a good style and such, but the damage numbers might be considered a bit low
limber wadi
heh, I heard people say that the shield is boring because the special was too good
autumn yarrow
I mean I started the game only able to play shield, but now I find shield the hardest
limber wadi
the spear's spin-dash is fun and similar style
autumn yarrow
the sheild special is definitley the best special imo, the delay in some of the other ones makes me not like them
limber wadi
I find the bow hard as heck to use
autumn yarrow
but it has a built in problem when you get to asphodel, it can fly off the map
]so you have to be more conscience of targets and aim
ya bow is definitley the most mehcanically intensive
limber wadi
but, again, I point to my time playing D.Va and look at how awful I do on Widowmaker and go "I'm sure the bow is good if that's what you're into"
autumn yarrow
are you playing mouse and keyboard?
autumn yarrow
mhmm aim assist takes a lot of stress off playing bow
limber wadi
I kinda like some of the cast builds, too. Like the Aphordite and Artemis ones
granite sentinel
I think all shield needs is a way to reliable get the special back, and better hammer upgrades
harsh kelp
got my third spear win
granite sentinel
the kit itself is interesting and could be really good if it had better numbers
autumn yarrow
shield can reliably come back if you take the hammer upgrade
tall dove
Styxbot is going nuts
Only dumb bots give this comment thumbs up and thumbs down and X
gottem
limber wadi
lol
autumn yarrow
funny thing about shield is when I first thought it was pretty good, I looked at the last patch notes and noticed last patch it got target nerfed
tall dove
👍 👎 ❌
harsh kelp
yeah when I first got shield I thought it was the best weapon, but now I think its 3rd
tall dove
@rich lantern 👍 👎 ❌ ????
tawdry cairn
Spear > Bow > Shield >>> Sword
autumn yarrow
but in all honesty after like the 20th hydra kill I realized it's really just a play style issue
they are all equally viable for now
harsh kelp
Yeah I just need to lock down a good build for sword
tawdry cairn
I just wish you could get shadow presence on the sword special. It's literally the only attack in the game that doesnt proc it and it feels horrible because of that
harsh kelp
I think for sword to be good you need a good cast
pearl willow
spear and bow pump out the best damage imo but i dont mind any of them, i basically just swap to whatever has the darkness boost for funsies. i think sword with blade flurry feels really good though.
rich lantern
I didn't do it
autumn yarrow
ohh blade flurry is fun
pearl willow
it attacks fast enough to really capitalize on artemis dash crit while still being very agile. then just throw whatever attack you like on top of it. alternatively it's also just plain good for standing still and backstabbing the crap out of something. you don't get the big numbers but the DPS is still there.
real pagoda
I just beat the current game last night with a fun build. Aegis as my weapon, Zeus' dash, and DR from Athena, Aphrodite, and Daedelus Hammer. I basically just tanked everything while dashing around like a lunatic
tawdry cairn
Sounds really fun. I love the shield rush ability, I just usually cared to use it in Asph. Maybe once they add another floor and lava floors aren't as big a part of the game I'll start using it more often.
real pagoda
yeah, i was mostly happy when i realized the dash lightning let me beat meg. She seems...very hard to beat with the shield if you don't get something else to deal damage, since you can't wall slam her
rapid flicker
How many floors do you think they’ll have in total? We’ve got two now but maybe we’ll have 4 or 5 at some point
hard holly
3 minimum, probably 4, hopefully 5 or 6
rapid flicker
With like 5 floors I hope they throw in a checkpoint to respawn at somewhere in there...
real pagoda
i doubt it, it would go against the spirit of the game
hard holly
Could do the Gungeon approach of being able to skip levels
real pagoda
you're supposed to get kicked back to dad's office each time
manic ermine
The first room of asphodel looks suspiciously like a void gate
real pagoda
how else can he profess his utter disappointment in your life choices?
rapid flicker
Maybe if you beat a floor so many times in a row you could skip it?
autumn yarrow
did they not spoil the amount of floors if you walk over when picking a weapon?
he talks about his plan to get out
rapid flicker
Err I don’t remember what Zag said well enough
autumn yarrow
same
real pagoda
i think he listed off some stages, but that doesn't strictly mean that's all he'll face
who knows, maybe the surface sucks more
autumn yarrow
chances are there's at least 2 more you have to fight meg's sisters right?
and probably hades as final boss?
rapid flicker
Hm, Idk about that cus I JUST got a line from Meg saying her sisters were away cus of some war
autumn yarrow
ehhh cause people being away and the renovation not being done all seems just part of them not implementing a lot of the game yet
but who knows
real pagoda
fighting 2 megs at once sounds absolutely awful
fiery iron
fighting two megs sound great, maybe besides the normal moves they'd have some duo moves they do
sounds really cool to me
real pagoda
oh, it would probably be awful, i mostly object on the grounds that I am terrible and doubt i could beat it
fiery iron
well remember, it would be after asphodel, imagine doing a normal meg as the asphodel boss
and then another round of upgrades and boons after that, assuming third area boss
hell fighting 3 megs would be super easy at that point, so they'd need a bunch of new moves and stuff to keep it interesting
turbid needle
I meant
fiery iron
doubt they'll do it, but would be cool
turbid needle
not at the same time
Just multiple bosses you have to get through before moving onto the next floor
fiery iron
two at once sounds cool, but multiple in a row sounds meh
turbid needle
But a group fight against all 3 Fury sisters would be fun
fiery iron
definitely
autumn yarrow
that feeling though when you need to complete like 100 more runs just to clear your codex 
It's funny when you realize you have to talk to charon like 100 times and all he says is "uhhhhh........."
limber wadi
There's locked doors in Hades' house. I had assumed those would take you to shortcuts to other floors.
they could lead to something else, though, like a training room or something
I really do hope there's a way where you could skip floors, if you want to. You'd have more power, form all the boons, if you did a full run. But it'd be nice to focus on one floor at a time, too.
zenith ice
It's funny when you realize you have to talk to charon like 100 times and all he says is "uhhhhh........."
the old man narrator should chime in having perfectly understood whatever Charon groaned out
autumn yarrow
yo @zenith ice !feedback that bad boy in #hades-feedback-closed when StyxBot is back up
zenith ice
I'll try to remember
autumn yarrow
but at the same time, it's kind of like "I am groot" much of the allure could be in the fact that you only hear the response
zenith ice
yeah but even with Groot you have that form of reaction in Rocket
autumn yarrow
doens't zagerus chime in? not in a full dialog box but
I remember hearing him say some things
pastel jolt
zag does respond to charon most of the time, yeah
zenith ice
he does but he seems to just be guessing from tone
frail bear
so, anyone mind helping me figure out how to beat megaera? I've gotten to her twice now with builds that feel VERY powerful and I just can't seem to do it
I could in theory just throw my shield at her repeatedly but I wish I felt more able to go in against her
zenith ice
yeah throwing the shield is what I do, get some curse damage from Ares on it and it'll do wonders
errant narwhal
when she starts dashing, she already has a set direction where shes facing so just dash away and then get a couple hits in, rinse and repeat
hard holly
When she charges up her dash, which has its unique sound effect, you dodge out of the way, then hit her a couple of times
If she is doing the whip attack, you dodge out and wait for her to dash
manic ermine
Whenever she starts shielding take the time to clear out adds
hard holly
If she is doing the circle attacks
errant narwhal
also it might be obvious but dont get too greedy with the damage when youre low on health
frail bear
yeah i have a uh
errant narwhal
i........ did do that. still do it with the final boss
hard holly
You try to hit her, then move away before the next set comes so you can repeat that
frail bear
tendency to do that
hard holly
And as for her bullet hell, just get way out of dodge
autumn yarrow
her whip after dash happens really fast, so be careful of that
hard holly
At longer range, you have a lot of wiggle room on the bullet hell attack
So you shouldnt be hit
autumn yarrow
don't dash when trying to dodge the bullet hell
hard holly
Beyond that, its just patience and optemization
frail bear
with even more than one level in dash dash+shield just obliterates people
hard holly
Shield is the most powerful weapon to start with, but falls off a bit
Its mid-tier overall, about sword level
Bow and Spear get ludicrously strong with the right upgrades
frail bear
spear felt very powerful last time i played it but that was when you could accidentally backstab people
autumn yarrow
idk people dog on sword but I think sword is fine
hard holly
Bow might have a slight edge on bosses
Sword was bad, its good now
Especially Worldsplitter
frail bear
I played sword on day1 and haven't since, maybe I should give it a shot again
autumn yarrow
and a lot of people like spear but I feel it's on same level as sword lmaoo
frail bear
if you find artemis and get the critdash thing shield just feels SO strong
autumn yarrow
spin attack is just too slow for me
hard holly
You easily hit 500+ damage
frail bear
I miss parry on the shield primary attack, that felt to me like the kind of thing shield should be good at
hard holly
Critdash is great on Sword with Worldsplitter, and spear too
Because, if you charge the spin
Then dash
It crits
errant narwhal
tempted to try and do a worldsplitter run now but..... sleep calls........
autumn yarrow
bow is actual freelo, spear is cool but idk I actually die playing it
hard holly
On a sidenote, I tried Flurry Blade with Zeus Boon
Even got an epic one
It didnt feel great
errant narwhal
actually sleep can wait
frail bear
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hard holly
At least, on bosses
errant narwhal
also the bow RULES
frail bear
bow feels so lame but i just looove going in really hard with shield
shield feels so so so good
frail bear
i havent played bow or sword since like two days into the game being out
perfect shots are fun i'll give you that
what's the best keepsake btw? I'm using the old spiked collar but i feel like it's a crutch
frail bear
i mostly just like it because cerb is a very very good boy
errant narwhal
when ur more confident and find the boons you like best, i go with god keepsakes
hard holly
Whatever the best +% damage boon god is
Currently Athena I believe
Was Aphrodite for a long time
frail bear
ok good to keep in mind, I have a gift so I'll just keep running until i can give athena a gift :)
frail bear
after i beat meg do i ever have to fight her again? like do my runs start from the point after meg at that point or is it just the beginning
hard holly
Theoretically maybe Zeus if you want to force the Flurry Blade
errant narwhal
yep