h1-builds-and-combat

[sullen tree]

I feel like all the specials in this game other than sword special can't really be viable

[hollow minnow]

the spear doesn't have a dash attack....it has that circle thing

[fringe lance]

you can dash mid charge and the charge persists?

[jovial zenith]

You can charge the circle hit and dash at the same time.

[indigo compass]

you can dash atk

[fringe lance]

that's nuts

[granite sentinel]

the spear and the shield specials are both situationally viable

[jovial zenith]

It will release the spear charge when you dash.

[granite sentinel]

very situational but the have a use

[rugged horizon]

yea the spear special i hate

[fringe lance]

spear special seems awful

[granite sentinel]

it is

[fringe lance]

the shield special got nerfed pretty hard

[rugged horizon]

its range alone is was too limiting

[fringe lance]

damage isn't really all there anymore

[rugged horizon]

the shield with the bounce damage boost is strong

especially with zues

[jovial zenith]

So you can charge the spear up, dash, and it will release the attack where you land. Add Artemis' crit dash and you will have a sweeping crit everytime.

[rugged horizon]

https://imgur.com/a/P129adE

[worn fulcrum]

shield special has voracious flight, which situationally can be really good, and it's also super duper safe and homes on bounces

[sullen tree]

I just feel like special attacks are too weak

I never feel like using them

[worn fulcrum]

spear special has stuff like 500% damage to armor, which automatically makes it good in some situations

[granite sentinel]

that and the explosion on impact

[rugged horizon]

the sword special can be super op

[worn fulcrum]

I agree that bow special is bad

[rugged horizon]

the blast wave

[sullen tree]

let artemis dash affect special

[jovial zenith]

I use sword special the most. Bow special I rarely use other than for defense.

[rugged horizon]

so long as you get the 200% radius boost

[granite sentinel]

Sword special is good

[sullen tree]

its the only one that feels viable to build with

get extended range

and screen wipe

only problem is boss damage

[granite sentinel]

I don't think they necessarily need to be viable as the focus of your build

[rugged horizon]

the bow special damage is too low, no boon can build it up enough to be worth the attack animation and low damage

[hollow minnow]

I think the sword special is just...weird....It's animation seems to take so long and you end up getting wounded.

maybe we can suggest it be a little higher. Pearks of early acesss....

[rugged horizon]

thats why you need the range

[granite sentinel]

sword special is even without upgrades useful for taking out numbskulls for example in a way the normal attack isn't

[jovial zenith]

It can be risky to use sword special at times. If you kill the bombers and can't dash in time. Oof. You in for a world of pain.

[hollow minnow]

I HATE THOSE BOMB GUYS

[granite sentinel]

for the bow special there isn't really a reason to ever use it

[sullen tree]

there is no incentive for doing non attack builds atm

so sure we use special

[rugged horizon]

their triple death bomb is so annoying

[sullen tree]

but I almost never build around it

[jovial zenith]

I sometimes use bow special to kill witch bullet waves.

[hollow minnow]

Eh I'd disagree Marthia, I think there are plenty opportunities to use the bow's special.

[granite sentinel]

it's okay as a defensive option

[rugged horizon]

the only useful thing for the bow special is adding athena and instant killing witches

[granite sentinel]

^

that or poseidon

[hollow minnow]

PapaHades I had no idea you could charge with the spear AND dash!!! That's awesome!!!!

[jovial zenith]

@hollow minnow Yup. It's the strongest attack imo.

[hollow minnow]

cooooooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😄 😄 😄 😄

Thanks for telling me, I can't WAIT to try it 😛 😄 😄

[jovial zenith]

I've hit with 1000 dmg with it before. I had the skull earring on though.

[white shell]

plus adding artemis dash crit, and its insanely good

[jovial zenith]

Yeah. With the crits.

And dash crit still leaves the attack open for another boon.

[granite sentinel]

this is why artemis attack buff is so dumb without double crits

[sullen tree]

is zeus the only one with a legendary buff?

[full kelp]

No, everyone has one

[granite sentinel]

no everyone has one

[full kelp]

lol

[kind fiber]

Every god has one

[granite sentinel]

psych

[sullen tree]

wow

okay

[kind fiber]

its just a matter of whether you meet the requirements to get it

[jovial zenith]

His is probably one of the better ones though.

[sullen tree]

looks like I need to keep booning

I feel like I've only ever seen zeuses

[turbid needle]

Tbh I find Zeus' buffs a lil lackluster

[full kelp]

His Cast is great

[sullen tree]

zeus buff works with his reflect

[jovial zenith]

I'm not a fan of Zeus's attack and special boon but the rest are good.

[sullen tree]

I like picking that up on shield or lifedrinker games

[turbid needle]

Yeah his cast is good

But the rest is a bit eh imo

If I need to choose between Zeus and another god

I'll always go for the other god

[full kelp]

Well it depends on the build ur going for really

His boons are really strong is clustered ares

[jovial zenith]

Triple dash lightning kills quick.

[kind fiber]

So ares requires you to focus on his cast, artemis requires you to have one of the two + crit damage passives, poseiden requires you to have one of his two knockback passives, Zeus requires that you have his lightning bounce passive, Athena and aphrodite are probably the same for their passives

if you want to see their legendaries

[full kelp]

Anyone else think Elysium is going to be the next zone?

[turbid needle]

It's either gonna be Elysium or the River Styx for sure

[granite sentinel]

I think so yes. Either the next or the fourth

[sullen tree]

http://prntscr.com/lw7qc3

I think I'm overreliant on artemis dash

only had 20 health left

but that's 4 hydra clears in a row

I'm going to try to clear a special build

see how it goes

[turbid needle]

I am currently trying to get 7 completed runs on all weapons.

[sullen tree]

I have 74% damage on special and nothing else

and my attacks still have better dps :/

[granite sentinel]

what weapon are we talking about

[sullen tree]

sword

[granite sentinel]

single target dps sure

[sullen tree]

I feel like dash attack getting 100% more damage on first strike

gives it an edge

even without damage bonuses

[rocky whale]

most of my wins are hunter dash. the ones that aren't have been zeus legendary or zeus dash. lol

[turbid needle]

I rely way too much on Ares curse damage myself.

[granite sentinel]

but the sword specials usefulness is that it hits more enemies at once, I don't think it matching the single target dps of the normal attack would make sense

[sullen tree]

I used to like ares curse

then I manage to reflect it

and kill myself

[jovial zenith]

They fixed that

[sullen tree]

never used it since

ptsd

[turbid needle]

It is fixed now.

[jovial zenith]

It was a bug that applied boons on shield special to yourself.

[turbid needle]

When it comes to sword, I tend to love armor slayer, life drinker and Rapid swings.

[rocky whale]

big chop is really good too, for hunter dash.. lol

[sullen tree]

I guess my thing with special

is that I don't have mob problems ever

so I don't see the point of special other than utility

[jovial zenith]

Poseidon with sword special push back is really useful.

[granite sentinel]

which I think is fine

[sullen tree]

then you never spec its damage

or just never use it

[rocky whale]

There's almost no problem in the game that isn't solved with big damage

[sullen tree]

my point is

attack builds are good

[rocky whale]

it also helps that bow and spear can also deal very big AOE damage

[sullen tree]

no point doing anything else

sometimes it fun to do a cast build

but special builds

might as well just use your attack

[granite sentinel]

that is true, I wouldn't build for special, other then utility upgrades like knockback or deflect for sword or bow

[jovial zenith]

Right now killing fast is the thing. Specials are mostly too slow.

[granite sentinel]

but sword still has the best one because it at least it has a solid utility reason to use it

[sullen tree]

it needs better cast speed

okay this is ridiculous

I have level 3 special + the 200% damage for special on sword

and zeus dash is level 1 is doing more dps

[rugged horizon]

https://imgur.com/a/M02YwqE

[turbid needle]

Another run done with Bow.

[tranquil steeple]

I used the sword special a lot in Asphodel, knocking enemies in to the lava. Doesn't help too much on the hydra though.

[sullen tree]

hide behind the wall

and special through it

[jovial zenith]

You can also dash behind the wave of bullets when the hydra first summons them and be safe for a while.

[rocky whale]

haha you really can block damage with your shield but still proc revenge damage. just murdered a brimstone

[sullen tree]

you can only get one legendary boon a game?

or is is random chance

[rocky whale]

you can get multiple

[errant narwhal]

they just usually require you to get 2 specific boons from the same god before you have the chance to get them

[sullen tree]

okay so if you empty out a god's pool

they still might not give you legend

[errant narwhal]

if you can only take 1 boon from each tier its possible that is the case

i dunno exactly how it works

[hollow minnow]

omg i just--fiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaallllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyy--beat Megara again, only the 4th time AND I ONLY HAVE 5 HEALTH LEFT AHHHHHH

ANY TIPS FOR SURVIVING ASPHODEL BEFORE I GO IN 😱

[worn fulcrum]

It would be possible to have a god's pool exhausted an for you to be unable to get the legendary

[south comet]

dont swim in the lava!

[hollow minnow]

ok! 😛

[worn fulcrum]

Basically only if you have your everything upgraded before you get a single one of that god's boons

[jovial zenith]

Quick tip. If you don't have Cerberus' trinket on and aren't going to use it in Asphodel, equip it and unequip for 25 health back

[hollow minnow]

wow ok! 😃 ty!!

i never knew that would happen with it

[south comet]

what weapon are you using?

[hollow minnow]

the bow!

[south comet]

ooh nice

[hollow minnow]

and I have mainly aphrodite

😄

[jovial zenith]

It raises max and current health, but only lowers max health when you unequip it.

[south comet]

id be careful for the shambling skeleton dudes they can pack quite a wallop if they get close

[sullen tree]

okay I should have just gotten world breaker

[hollow minnow]

yeah those skeletons are insane!!!

[sullen tree]

picking up any boons for special is just making my life harder for no reason

[hollow minnow]

ok I'm going to take the plunge!

thanks everybody!!!!!

👋

🔥

[errant narwhal]

@jovial zenith that got patched out aha

[south comet]

good luck

[errant narwhal]

good luck, janeen!!

[worldly warren]

Aw, that was removed?

[errant narwhal]

yeah

[worldly warren]

I was going to totally use that next run

[jovial zenith]

When was this?

[errant narwhal]

one of the recent patches, i think its in #hades-patch-notes

[jovial zenith]

I thought I used it last night. I'll have to check.

[rocky whale]

lol I just beat the hydra by blocking the projectiles and doing 93 damage per block.

[sullen tree]

I wanted to do a block build this run

but I'm not getting any reflect boons

[rocky whale]

I wasn't deflecting, I was just blocking. revenge damage still applies when you block

[sullen tree]

that's what I meant

a revenge build

cast on damage taken

[rocky whale]

oh yeah. I got zeus signet for that

[sullen tree]

so did I

but I'm not getting any zeus boons

[rocky whale]

dang

[sullen tree]

well I got one

but it didn't have revenge

[rocky whale]

I ended up getting the +100% damage per bounce and 300% damage on the shield throw and it was ok. I did 400 damage to a head once

[sullen tree]

hopefully I get it in asphodel

I got quick bull charge

and ended up with lvl 4 aphro attack

[jovial zenith]

@errant narwhal I couldn't find it and any patch notes so I went and tested it. You can still health up with the Cerberus trinket swap. Only once because it locks out after you switch it.

[errant narwhal]

i see

[sullen tree]

http://prntscr.com/lw8bx2

are you kidding me

[errant narwhal]

you have to swap for it now though

please dont try to evade the swear filter, edit your message please so i dont have to delete it

@sullen tree

thank you 👍

[sullen tree]

forgot about the filter that was just a shorthand

will definitely keep in in mind though

rng is a cruel mistress though

[cinder dragon]

Ow. My fingers are so sore after doing a artemis-dash and power shot hammer build on the bow.

Most bow builds just end in sore fingers though. Worth it though, since it's so damned powerful.

[sullen tree]

I still love how you can redirect bull dash

mid dash

and sometimes double hit an enemy

[cinder dragon]

Oh snap, you can? Gotta try that at some point.

I've always hated the shield since I can't get it to do good damage, but that may help.

[turbid needle]

the shield is ridiculous if you abuse the retaliation dmg :D
had a run with -50% dmg, zeus and aphro retaliation 😄

@cinder dragon how do you get sore finger 🤔

[cinder dragon]

More or less, constant dash into power shot with the bow and a projectile if I have one, rince and repeat.

It's more the repetition over and over.

[indigo compass]

yeah after 4 runs u get pretty sore

[cinder dragon]

Stuff like the sword is nice, slow and deliberate.

[sullen tree]

man getting artemis dash right before hydra fight

that is so clutch

[cinder dragon]

Man, artemis dash is so good, I honestly hope they don't nerf it. Same for the bow.

It just feels so good to use.

(Maybe buff other weapons? Looking at the spear in particular)

[indigo compass]

idk unless they buff the rest its too strong

[rocky whale]

You know artemis + bow is good but not artemis + spear?

[cinder dragon]

I mean, artemis+spear is just a worse artemis+bow.

[granite sentinel]

artemis dash plus spin attack is still really good tho

[indigo compass]

idk man with fast spin its pretty ridiculous

has a wide range so

[granite sentinel]

and I kind of prefer the other weapons in terms of playstile because it feels like you're doing more then just dash-charge-dash-charge-...

[sullen tree]

589 damage with 1 bull rush

[worn fulcrum]

Bow is the same, honestly

[sullen tree]

wow

kk

[indigo compass]

idk spear is not so diffrent

charge dash charge dash

[cinder dragon]

Bloody hell. That's absurd, Silverz.

[sullen tree]

ya all builds are dash builds

honestly

[cinder dragon]

What do you even have on that bull rush?

[sullen tree]

hunter dash and 5 aphro attacks

[indigo compass]

hopefully ahtena atk

[sullen tree]

• charge speed

[indigo compass]

thats my preferred:p

[cinder dragon]

Ohhhh, that's nice.

[sullen tree]

oh right and 14% aphro weak damage

I wanted to do a revenge build

but apparently the game was like nah

you doing an attack build now

[indigo compass]

at this point i do still miss the old shield

[cinder dragon]

I'm one of those weird people who likes poseidon on bow, especially if I can get the stun talent.

[indigo compass]

specially now that bow is so insane

[granite sentinel]

I like poseidon on the bow special

not on the main attack

[sullen tree]

I'm on a 7 hydra clear streak now

[indigo compass]

poseidon on atk is not bad eithr tbh

[sullen tree]

I swear, after beating it the first time, then learning about standing next to the hydra head

the fight is so easy

poseidon has the 3rd best attack doesn't he

[cinder dragon]

It's underrated, for sure.
Has anyone tried an Ares special build for the shield? I'm half-curious to know how good that is at clearing big groups, if the curse spreads like I think it does.

[sullen tree]

good for crowds

your boss fights will be a pain though

[cinder dragon]

Yeah, I figured that'd be the case.

[sullen tree]

I could imagine getting only 1 point into shield curse

just for the group killing

or at least of skulls

though I'm of the mindset that special = wasted boon

I wish to see a special buff

[worn fulcrum]

Special buffs are good if you have one of the special hammers that are good

[rocky whale]

I just had a decent sword special run, but I mostly killed the hydra with lightning dash

[worn fulcrum]

Like Spear's armor piercing

[errant narwhal]

ohboy

do i take a second poseidon and artemis trial

or a pom

[cinder dragon]

You and I both, man. I want to live the Captain America fantasy.

[indigo compass]

what do u have?

[cinder dragon]

Pos and artemis, go big or go home!

[indigo compass]

artemis allways sounds good imo

[worldly warren]

Trial

[errant narwhal]

i want clean kill from her

i got hidebreaker in this trial

[indigo compass]

yeah then go for it i would say

[errant narwhal]

and maybe i can take sunken treasure bc nothing else i really want

[indigo compass]

whats that?

[sullen tree]

just gold and stuff

[errant narwhal]

just a little health money and darkness

[indigo compass]

hidebreaker

[errant narwhal]

very little, but i have oceans bounty

oh

[cinder dragon]

I mean, there's always a chance of getting the stun buff from

[sullen tree]

Poseidon is a joke sometimes

[cinder dragon]

Oh, nevermind

[errant narwhal]

100% more dmg to armor

[sullen tree]

I wish the stun buff and the wall damage showed up more often

[indigo compass]

pretty good 😃 if ur having problems with armor:p

[errant narwhal]

yeah i got it bc the rest were less for me

[rocky whale]

all right I'll try the shield special + ares

[cinder dragon]

I do too, man. Poseidon is all about hitting people into things, but it gets increasingly unrewarding.

[sullen tree]

with spear armor piercing on special

[errant narwhal]

and then all the trial enemies had a lot of armor, so like, thanks girl

[indigo compass]

😃

[sullen tree]

you are better off just getting bonus armor damage from crits

and just spear sweep dashing

[indigo compass]

how many kills are u at now alma?

[errant narwhal]

ok im gonna go trial wish me luck with artemis boons

hydra? still 2 iirc

[indigo compass]

ah ok:)

[errant narwhal]

been playing a bit less for a couple of days

[indigo compass]

ive been playing too much

[sullen tree]

though the biggest culprit to specials feeling so bad is the lack of crit

[indigo compass]

maxed my mirror now started second save:p

[errant narwhal]

dang no clean kill

[sullen tree]

or more like, dash attack upgrade + artemis dash

is too strong

[errant narwhal]

support fire and fully loaded though

[indigo compass]

dang:p clean kill is so good

[sullen tree]

define a clean kill

[indigo compass]

its a boon:p

[sullen tree]

oh?

[indigo compass]

crits do more dmg:p

[sullen tree]

ah

amazing

[cinder dragon]

Is that the double crit damage one, or the % one?

[errant narwhal]

i took support fire bc i got the legendary before

double crit

uh oops i meant i took fully loaded

[cinder dragon]

Eugh, I've only seen two legendaries so far.

Mind you, I've only played for a very short while.

[indigo compass]

yeah you have to get some good boons first for them to appear

cant get them without those first and 2nd tiers

[sullen tree]

I don't quite understand legendary logic

[cinder dragon]

Stack em until they have to show up? Yeah, I get that.

[sullen tree]

I feel like you need to get epic and rare boons first or something

[cinder dragon]

I also cry inside because one of those two was the double knockback boon. What a terrible boon.

[errant narwhal]

yo i got a rlly good sunken treasure thanks to oceans bounty

[sullen tree]

oh right

what are gates for other than lore

[rocky whale]

You need to get the boons that modify the God's special mechanic

[karmic zealot]

I've done 40 runs and beaten it 7 times, but never seen a legendary. What am I doing wrong?

[sullen tree]

I'm guessing they skip you?

[rocky whale]

You get treasure and a skip, yeah

[sullen tree]

doesn't give you less total boons?

[rocky whale]

Think of it as going to that room instead of the others you can go to

[sullen tree]

ah

[rocky whale]

To get a legendary, you have to get specific boons for each god that play into their special mechanic. For Ares, you need to take the cast or dash boon, then a boon that modifies the rifts

[jovial zenith]

https://imgur.com/a/uYxups8

[sullen tree]

ah

I see

[jovial zenith]

53rd hydra kill

[sullen tree]

so for artemis you need the crit damage one

[rocky whale]

No, artemis is casting

[sullen tree]

lmao oh

[cinder dragon]

53rd. Dear heavens, you enjoy this game.

[sullen tree]

is crit damage not a modifier to ability though

[jovial zenith]

Help me. I'm stuck in Hades

[rocky whale]

Yeah, but her legendary is a casting one, so you need that line

[sullen tree]

oh

[cinder dragon]

It's okay. I got the game this morning, feel much the same way.

[jovial zenith]

I have the legendary for her in that screenshot

[sullen tree]

I guess that makes artemis even better

wait is the additional projectile her legendary?

[jovial zenith]

It sends a projectile on attack and cast.

You don't need her cast to get it.

[cinder dragon]

That's so... underwhelming for a legendary.

[rocky whale]

Each god has 3 "tiers" of boons, with tier 3 being legendary

[jovial zenith]

Most of them are

[granite sentinel]

isn't artemis legendary the three projectile one?

[sullen tree]

do you need 1 2 and then 3

or can you just go from 2 to 3

[rocky whale]

Oh, you can get it from hide breaker or clean kill too?

[cinder dragon]

Then again, so is poseidon's. More knockbacks. Does that even give you an extra trigger of hitting the wall?

[jovial zenith]

No. Support Fire: Your attack and cast spawn an additional seeking projectile.

[sullen tree]

more knockback means more damage against walls no?

is there a wiki for this game with all the boons or something?

[cinder dragon]

It's weird, because it says it provokes a second knockback.

[rocky whale]

Basically in order to get the legendary, you gotta get the boons that upgrade their mechanics

[cinder dragon]

But it doesn't exactly behave that way?

[jovial zenith]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hades_Wiki

[granite sentinel]

I don't think I've had any part of the artemis cast line when I got her legendary

and that's the only one I've gotten

[rocky whale]

For artemis you can go down the crit line or cast line

[errant narwhal]

here we go hydra

[indigo compass]

gl

[rocky whale]

So with Artemis you can do anything crit > Hide Breaker or Clean Kill > Legendary

[jovial zenith]

You got this.

[cinder dragon]

Yeah, even on the page it says "Your knock-away effects shove foes a second time after the first"
But they only get hit by the wall once. Weird.

[rocky whale]

or you can do True Shot > Multi Shot > Legendary

[errant narwhal]

wait. crippling blow..? i swear it was called hide breaker

[jovial zenith]

I went dash to clean kill to legendary for Artemis.

[granite sentinel]

How good is Artemis cast with the upgrades? I never picked it because I didn't know it had more boons connected to it and the base one seems weak

[errant narwhal]

gonna report that its def hide breaker

[jovial zenith]

My first Hydra kill before the change was with Artemis cast plus multicast.

[fiery iron]

When you choose it it's called hide breaker, when you look at your boons it's called crippling blow, reported it already

[errant narwhal]

oh dang

now i double reported

[indigo compass]

😃

[fiery iron]

All the reports

[errant narwhal]

😅

[fiery iron]

Everybody quick report it lol

[errant narwhal]

no please dont actually

ok im gonna kill this hydra dead brb

[granite sentinel]

I hope it's supposed to be Hidebreaker that's a better description of what it does imo

crippling blow sounds like a debuff

[fiery iron]

Agreed

[indigo compass]

yeah something movement impairing:p

[rocky whale]

here's the boons you need for legendary:

Ares: Hungry Blades (rift that seeks) or Black Metal (bigger rift)
Artemis: Multishot or Hidebreaker or Clean Kill
Athena: Brilliant Reposte
Posideon: Breaking Wave or Typhoon's Fury
Zeus: Chain Lightning```

[jovial zenith]

https://imgur.com/a/znQhBwJ

[errant narwhal]

nah i died lol

[jovial zenith]

Current stats

Damn

[sullen tree]

wow

[visual sundial]

Appreciate the info~

[sullen tree]

impressive

[indigo compass]

ahh too bad:p

[jovial zenith]

Keep trying.

[errant narwhal]

can i get an F

[jovial zenith]

F

[indigo compass]

F

[visual sundial]

Also damn those stats

F

[sullen tree]

I should probably do a fresh save eventually

[errant narwhal]

i dont mind too much tbh bc while that means less darkness, theres nothing after it rn

[sullen tree]

and atttempt to do a hydra first clear

[indigo compass]

yeah i am at 85 attempts on main save 14 on second

[visual sundial]

I've been on again off again playing Hades as stress relief because of university

The game is surprisingly good to unwind in

[sullen tree]

^

its fun to kill stuff

[indigo compass]

sure is

[sullen tree]

the skill ceiling isn't too high

cause animation cancelling isn't a thing

[granite sentinel]

same

[fast raptor]

What are the legendary boons? Ive only hit zeus and arttys

[visual sundial]

Yeah! Weapons are fun, though I don't find myself using the sword much at all

[sullen tree]

sword is weird

its good if you manage to get drinker or world breaker

[visual sundial]

Yeah; it's the only weapon without a right click, isn't it?

[sullen tree]

???

[visual sundial]

Right click ability.

[sullen tree]

all weapons have right clicks

cast is on right click

[visual sundial]

Wait whoops sorry

[granite sentinel]

I got ~50 on my abandoned save, out of those I only reached Hydra once but killed her that time. And maybe 10 on the new one

[visual sundial]

Not cast

[sullen tree]

you mean hold down left

[visual sundial]

But it's the only weapon with 2 abilities not 3

Sorry, my brain is like not functioning

[sullen tree]

I mean technically bow doesn't have a 3rd ability

[visual sundial]

Finals week

[granite sentinel]

it doesn't have a charged up one if that's what you mean

[visual sundial]

^ Yep

[sullen tree]

power shot isn't really an extra ability

[visual sundial]

I keep accidentally trying to charge up

[granite sentinel]

but I wouldn't consider the bows charged shot a third ability even if the game pretends it is

[visual sundial]

Pfff

[sullen tree]

it isn't

[granite sentinel]

it's exactly like the normal shot it just does more damage

[sullen tree]

its just bonus damage for being a good archer

[visual sundial]

I was just happy to see that extra to carry over from Bastion

[sullen tree]

sword is nice though

if you get artemis dash

and aphro attack boons

[rocky whale]

that's every weapon

[granite sentinel]

everything is nice with artemis dash

[sullen tree]

but that is every weapon

[visual sundial]

I'm not that lucky when I do my runs baha

[sullen tree]

lmao

use keepsakes

I usually start with artemis keepsake or aphro

haven't had a failed run since

[granite sentinel]

I really like the keepsake mechanic

[visual sundial]

Can you actually give gifts to the boon-gods?

[errant narwhal]

yes

[visual sundial]

I haven't been experimenting much bc I've been busy with uni

[granite sentinel]

and you should

[sullen tree]

at first I thought they were useless

but no

[errant narwhal]

gift before talking to them

[sullen tree]

god keepsakes are the best

[indigo compass]

gift before taking the boon

[granite sentinel]

you get keepsakes from that that basically let you pick what god you first encounter

[visual sundial]

Huh

[sullen tree]

and then you get health

lmao

[visual sundial]

I'll make sure to gift Aphrodite next time I see her

[granite sentinel]

gives you a huuuge amount of control over your build for a roguelike

[sullen tree]

well

[indigo compass]

thats why i love hades

[sullen tree]

it weighs luck in your favor

[indigo compass]

also choosing ur weap is nice

[sullen tree]

I managed to not be able to pull off a revenge build

even after getting 3 zeus boons

[visual sundial]

Revenge build is fun.

[sullen tree]

none of them came with revenge

[granite sentinel]

the only way it could give you more control is if it would let you pick one specific boon directly

[visual sundial]

I barely get revenge though, which annoys me

[granite sentinel]

which would ruin most of the randomness

[visual sundial]

Because I love that boon

[sullen tree]

I always get it

on non revenge builds

[visual sundial]

I've only gotten revenge in like 2 runs

[sullen tree]

though lifedrinker + revenge

[cinder dragon]

Is there any way to unlock gift caps? Or is my quest to romance Aphrodite as doomed as literally every other Greek legend?

[sullen tree]

is hilarious

[autumn yarrow]

we need more content to be able to live the revenge dream

[granite sentinel]

I only got sweat surrender once, that's something I really want to get again

[visual sundial]

Your romance with Aphrodite was doomed from the start

[granite sentinel]

the caps are likely there because the dialogue beyond that isn't in the game yet

and will be unlocked with updates

[visual sundial]

Yep.

[sullen tree]

when the keepsake says their boons are stronger

what does that mean

the scaling is always on the high end

there is a multiplier?

[cinder dragon]

Aww. RIP.
I hope they don't cap the olympians at 5 like the locked hearts suggest. I love them all way too much.

[sullen tree]

higher chance of higher rarity?

[granite sentinel]

I think it's higher rarity but I'm actually not sure

might just be my luck

[visual sundial]

Could be flavour text for now until they implement the feature in?

[fiery iron]

I think their boon are stronger as long as you hold it, been meaning to test it

[indigo compass]

think it ups the reward of the raritys

so higher dps or whatever

[visual sundial]

Damn that delete was so fast

[cinder dragon]

Wait, for real? I've been wasting my time with the doggo collar and meg's earring.

Also, yeah, hot dang.

[indigo compass]

god keepsakes are the best:p

[granite sentinel]

megs is fine for asphodel if you have the boons you want already

[visual sundial]

I haven't been able to gift Megaera yet because the second time she appears, she's talking to Hades, so I just sort of ran around her for a minute trying to gift her.

[granite sentinel]

and doggo collar has that heal cheese

[fiery iron]

Yeah start god keepsake, switch to earring or hourglass

[visual sundial]

It'd be nice if I could shove a gift in her hand while she's mid-conversation with my angry dad

[cinder dragon]

Well dang. Good to know, I never touched those.

[indigo compass]

i allways just go artemis keepsake into aphro:p

[granite sentinel]

and then Hades gets angry that you're trying to bribe her lol

[errant narwhal]

the delet is inhumanly fast

bc its a bot :P

[cinder dragon]

Wait, cerby is a her?

[errant narwhal]

i think cerby is a boy

[cinder dragon]

I just sorta always assumed cerberus was a guy, yeah.

[visual sundial]

Cerby's a boyo

Pretty sure narrator calls Cerby a he

[errant narwhal]

but solo, his va, is a girl

[visual sundial]

And Zagreus calls him "boy."

[cinder dragon]

Ahhh, gotcha.

[visual sundial]

One thing I do appreciate are the rooms they added recently where you can just heal up, and there are no enemies.

[cinder dragon]

Speaking of VAs, allow me to take a moment to go nuts over Androbeles being your faithful narrator.

[granite sentinel]

the ending is great

[visual sundial]

Feel like this should be in spoilers?

I haven't beat the game yet due to lack of time

[cinder dragon]

Oh, snap, right.

[visual sundial]

It's fine,

[pastel jolt]

late but solo is an excellent puppo and a very good girl

[visual sundial]

[cinder dragon]

I require pupper pics.

If they exist.

[errant narwhal]

hes also hades, poseidon, achilles and charon

logan is a talented dude

[indigo compass]

sure is

[cinder dragon]

Holy cow. I didn't guess Achilles. Or Charon, because grunting, but MAN.

[visual sundial]

very good grunts that man

[indigo compass]

i sometimes imagine the rucks voice over other games :p

[pastel jolt]

i will dm you the Pupper Pic to avoid cluttering the chanel

[cinder dragon]

Also. When you say Logan, do you mean like Logan Cunningham?

I always knew him as the bastion narrator. Never thought he was in so much other stuff.

[pastel jolt]

yes

[cinder dragon]

Oh gosh. That's incredible.

[errant narwhal]

hes in every supergiant game, i dont know about a lot of the other games hes done

[cinder dragon]

Time to imdb the heck out of this man.

[indigo compass]

bastion has the best narration ever imo:)

[grand patrol]

go forth on a logan journey!!!

[cinder dragon]

Oh wow. Talk about a diverse range of roles. So much respect.

That man must have divine vocal chords.

[indigo compass]

and then theres darren with the music:)

theres many talented ppl:)

[jovial zenith]

Darren is also Zag I believe

[pastel jolt]

yep!

[indigo compass]

yeah

[cinder dragon]

I can see it. Man.

[jovial zenith]

And Skelly

[visual sundial]

Darren Korb is Zagreus, yes, confirmed on their twitter

His voice is very soothing

[indigo compass]

its in the credits:)

[cinder dragon]

His Tariq was A+++

[visual sundial]

who looks at credits

[cinder dragon]

Hah. Relateable.

[indigo compass]

i do:) for a sgg

[jovial zenith]

I find the choice of accent for Zag interesting.

[cinder dragon]

But also a shame. Means I had to wait until now to have my mind blown.

[errant narwhal]

you should look at the credits, if you wanna see who voices who :P

thats who

[worthy dust]

RIP life drinker

Never had a good run with it.

But the way people talked about it made it seem unhealthy

[velvet quest]

what does "normalized base power level" mean again?

[fiery iron]

goodbye life drinker, you won't be missed

[olive snow]

Noooooooo

Life drinker was so useful tho

[fiery iron]

but it was busted and made the game so easy

[errant narwhal]

too useful lol

[restive vale]

What was life drinker? I don't think I ever got it

[sullen tree]

Removed from the game lmao

[olive snow]

It was v op

[errant narwhal]

you could just race everything to death

[fiery iron]

heal for 10% of damage

but lose some health, think 30% max

[velvet quest]

yeah

[rugged horizon]

lifedrinker removed

[sullen tree]

I was face tanking hydra while doing revenge damage

[velvet quest]

something like that

[sullen tree]

On hydra

[fiery iron]

which didn't even matter when you heal for 20+ each thrust

[sullen tree]

Also aphro nerf

I wonder what her base is now

Probably still best base God I'm guessing.

[fiery iron]

somebody was saying aphro had the highest base, so if that was true i figured the nerf was coming

it shouldn't have highest base AND apply weakness

[turbid needle]

mhhh i never had a priority on aphro, sooo could be worse 😄

[fiery iron]

aphro should have the lowest

[sage sky]

Also, bone hourglass nerfed

[turbid needle]

nah weakness isnt that useful i think

[sullen tree]

Deflect blocks damage though

[cinder dragon]

I mean, weakness is rather underwhelming. -14% damage? It's not much.

[turbid needle]

ye probably 3 again

[fiery iron]

what, reducing enemy damage is extremely useful

[visual sundial]

Aphrodite before her nerf used to be very powerful. I remember having her on a run and I just did way, way too much damage

[cinder dragon]

I mean- don't get hit.

[visual sundial]

Weakness is fine as it is, imo

It's already on me for not playing optimally

[cinder dragon]

This game's main focus is always gonna be dps anywho. And 14% is miniscule.

From my sense of it so far.

[visual sundial]

It has to balance damage reduction in a way that won't make it easy to bum rush through

Because it isn't as if you are permanently going to have 200 HP, aye? So going a DPS route makes sense to me

[turbid needle]

it was useful one time:
shield with the 20% dmg reduction
aphro dmg reduction
aphro retaliation
zeus retaliation
😄

[fiery iron]

as the game gets long and harder, sources of damage reduction are gonna be more useful

[visual sundial]

Y e a h the shield was... oof

[fiery iron]

innuendo intended

[visual sundial]

Shield was so powerful

[turbid needle]

nah that was like today

[cinder dragon]

I kinda hate that it indirectly nerfs sword like that.

[visual sundial]

Nono, just in gen.

Shield was so powerful

It was funny how powerful it was.

Can we not use that word?

[cinder dragon]

Also, is it kinda like bow is now?
OH. Oh gosh. That is op

[errant narwhal]

sorry, didnt catch that

please watch your langugage

[visual sundial]

Oh nono it's fine, sorry

Hmmm how do I put it?

[cinder dragon]

Surprised the bot didn't pick it up.

[visual sundial]

Shield had a lot of damage, and the bull rush ability had a high damage output

It was... 80+ damage, base? If I remember right?

[cinder dragon]

...wow.

[turbid needle]

ye somthing around that corner

[visual sundial]

So you could just sit and infinitely deflect with shield

[cinder dragon]

That is broken. Holy heck.

[turbid needle]

still works tho until they fix the retaliation mechanic 😄

[visual sundial]

The normal attack did 50+ damage, I think?

So you had a 130+ damage output with Shield, period.

[karmic zealot]

I so called life drinker getting removed lol

[visual sundial]

I never got life drinker in all my runs so idk how powerful it was

[karmic zealot]

Broken

[fiery iron]

ok weaken is like 50% damage reduction

[visual sundial]

I don't like the spear's spin attack though. Will say that straight up.

[fiery iron]

whoever said 14% is dull

tested just now

[turbid needle]

xD once (because i dont play too much sword)
but yeah...got it in asphodel and stopped dashing to evade

[karmic zealot]

Like beat hydra at 100% health while spamming left click broken

[rugged horizon]

50% was too harsh 30% was op

[worn fulcrum]

Weakness is 50%, yeah

[turbid needle]

especially with the 30 base on the thrust

[fiery iron]

yeah somebody said 14%, i knew that was wrong but wanted to test it first

before spouting nonsense

[karmic zealot]

Yeah, and if you got a plus attack damage boon it could easily become 80+

[visual sundial]

Yeah, weakness is fine then.

I wish I got Aphrodite and Ares more in my runs but it's mostly Darkness and Keys™

[turbid needle]

but i dont rely on it, the dmg still adds up

[visual sundial]

I had a run with no boons but a lot of minotaur hearts

Not no boons, but very few boons

[turbid needle]

ares is funny as a caster build 😄

[visual sundial]

It's Zeus who makes your cast do like 100 damage, right?

[turbid needle]

ye

[visual sundial]

I loved that for cast.

[turbid needle]

high base dmg + bounce
but artermis is good too (highes dmg with multishot)

[visual sundial]

I'm not a fan of most of Zeus's boons

Idk if that's just my luck speaking

[turbid needle]

retaliation and cast are fine though 😄

[fiery iron]

i'd say zeus is my favorite, consistently, no matter what build i have going it's always useful

depending on weapon and hammer upgrades, the others take priority

[rocky whale]

the chain lightning is pretty good, the legendary makes it bonkers. dash is great

[fiery iron]

cast is great aoe clear too, and x is great on anything that attacks fast (spear, sword with flurry, bow with rapid fire)

[turbid needle]

nah but id rather have a weapon with punch (bow /spear with atermis dash + %increase)

[oblique karma]

Nerf hammer came down

Bye life stealer

[errant narwhal]

[turbid needle]

i hope it doesnt come back, it kinda broke the game mechanic 😄

[oblique karma]

It was a little broken for more than one reason

But now sword is pretty weak

[rocky whale]

flurry sword + zeus, chop + artemis, or big special + poseidon can work. but yeah

[oblique karma]

Ye

Hmmm tbh I think everything is fairly balanced rn

[fiery iron]

god they need to fix the rng on what gets the gem boost, swear bow has the lowest chance

[turbid needle]

Lots of boon changes folks!

Gonna have to replace the boon data on the wiki now

If anyone finds the new data values feel free to edit the wiki or just send em my way

[cyan abyss]

Anyone devo about Lifedrinker going?

[turbid needle]

It was necessary

Trivialised things too much

[autumn yarrow]

not really

still learned to play the game without it

[rocky whale]

13th hydra kill. used ares dash before the buff lol

[granite sentinel]

likely won't be gone forever and they tried changing it first

[cyan abyss]

What your go to combos for sword?

[autumn tapir]

oof naked lady keeps getting nerfed

[gleaming quiver]

Well, before, she was both the strongest offensive option in terms of damage increase, and defensive option thanks to the Weak status

[worldly warren]

she's not naked she's wearing a skin-colored bodysuit

[gleaming quiver]

She now mostly a defensive playstyle, which is expected

[autumn tapir]

yeah

[autumn yarrow]

I like zeus for sword

A lot of attacks > chain lightning sounds like my go to

@cyan abyss

[untold trellis]

Is that actually more dmg than Ares?

[cyan abyss]

yeah fair enough

[untold trellis]

Even with the multiple hits actually applying proc vs cd on ares

[cyan abyss]

I was thinking poseidon

But it really has drawbacks when you get to asmodel

[karmic zealot]

Yeah life drinker was basically god mode with even a single supporting boon.

[granite sentinel]

cutting aphro's damage bonus down to half seems harsh

especially because DPS is still king

[regal valve]

First Hydra Kill!

Thankfully I got it before applying the patch that nerfed Aphro into the ground.

[forest marsh]

Congrats! It feels great, doesn't it?

[regal valve]

Dude. 90 runs in, you have no idea. 😄

[cyan abyss]

@regal valve Grats man first hydra kill in 90 runs, yer must have been close many times

[regal valve]

nah. Got wrecked like so many times.

I got close the run right before I won.

every other time was like... 50-25% left

[granite sentinel]

I still feel weird because I beat Hydra the first time I reached the boss

[cyan abyss]

@granite sentinel That's impressive what was your run wep and boons?

[granite sentinel]

crit dash bow and pre nerf aphrodite attack 😩

the only thing I was missing for total op ness was the triple shot

[forest marsh]

Yeah, that's a recipe for destruction

[granite sentinel]

oh and I had a additional projectile from artemis legendary

that was also the only run were I got a legendary boon

[cyan abyss]

Yeah had no idea they existed until I got it one run

[granite sentinel]

and I'm really not good at the game

Took me 50+ attempts to get to Hydra but the crit dash bow build is just ridiculous

[indigo compass]

bow is now a little less op

from quik temper:p

[cyan abyss]

Fair enough haha

Just cleared hydra with ares special curse and zeus cast

on shield

[indigo compass]

yeah although for the sword it might be even worse than:p

[wispy moon]

Can someone give me tips for the bow? I absolutely suck with it. I usually use the sheild

I suck in general though

[indigo compass]

dash then shoot

so it charges faster

try getting artemis dash, then u got good dmg to start , clean kill on top that would also be awesome, and hope for triple shot hammer upgrade, it makes it alot easyer

[forest marsh]

I don't remember reading anything about it in the patch notes, but did the Hydra's arrows get changed? They seem a lot more aggressive this last time I fought it from any other attempt

Maybe it's just me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[indigo compass]

hmm been same for me

[wispy moon]

Thank you, Sporto

[indigo compass]

did u get it?

[sick marsh]

I can't seem to do a whole lot of damage to Meg with shield. I've gotten close to 25%, but that was after an insane amount of patience on my part. Feels like I could be doing something to go faster.

[tawdry cairn]

How much do you have in quick temper and shadow presence? Shield is great at getting in and backstabbing out of a dash so it relies quite a bit on those two mirror buffs. Aside from that Athena's buffs are pretty good for it as they give both damage and reflect which you can really take advantage of with shield combos. I'd befriend her and try out her keepsake for a couple of runs.

[sick marsh]

Hmm, she's the next one I've got Ambrosia for

I

I'll have to give that a shot!

@tawdry cairn Quick Temper and Shadow Presence are currently at 50%

[indigo compass]

yeah those 2 add alot

[fringe lance]

i've failed hydra like 3 times now but i'm still early days

haven't got much of the mirror stuff yet

[indigo compass]

u'll get there

mirror helps alot:)

[sick marsh]

Are there secret ability combos? It seems like after I got Titan Toppler and Minotaur Rush the width of the Shield rush seems wider.

[fringe lance]

i'm only on like attempt 18 or so so i'm not worried

[forest marsh]

It took me somewhere around 45 runs to kill the Hydra, and from what I've been reading other people post, that's not uncommon. There are some who do it way sooner, but I have a feeling they're just good at this style of game 😆 Keep practicing and try new things, you'll get there eventually! I didn't even beat Meg until I think 38 runs or something

[grand patrol]

hfhfjfhjfj i beat meg like 70something runs in

i still havent reached hydra

[rapid flicker]

I haven't beaten Meg yet and I'm around 30-40 runs atm, she's so hard 😢

[grand patrol]

she IS.... a lot of it is boon luck 🙏

[forest marsh]

Yeah, boons are very helpful. Learning the patterns and when it's safe to dash in for an attack or 3 is important too

[grand patrol]

get urself a dash that does damage

[rapid flicker]

I love those, zeus's lightning dash is my fav

[rough condor]

if you want some tips I can answer your question tomorrow for meg or anything else. i am the sperg streamer with 102 hydra kills. i just need to go to bed now. sooo tired

[turbid needle]

I lost to Meg for the first time today

😔

[rapid flicker]

I have no problem getting to meg, usually so I've encountered her quite a few times to no avail.

[stray radish]

Meg melts pretty fast with true shot if you're lucky to get it

[plain heron]

My first no-Arthemis win. Sad it was with the shield again.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hueib7nl5b7vf1n/Hades_2018-12-18_2-20-30_AM.png?dl=1

[dapper heart]

And if you have the patience, Ares's curse kills her too.

[plain heron]

Ares curse is relatively weak, but it's so safe. Especially when you have it on long range stuff.
Wish I had taken another shield upgrade though, the one more suited for single target damage. With this one you just shoot your shield away and maybe, in 10 seconds or so it'll come back to you

[shut wave]

Yeah I remember thinking ares was really strong. I was just single swiping with sword and darting around haha. slow but safe (was like my first couple runs, at about 25 now, 1 hyrda kill)

[karmic zealot]

40 runs if memory serves with 6-7 clears

[dreamy fractal]

ayy best part of the new patch. i can actually play again https://imgur.com/a/wIh4b4r

[tight bridge]

what are good combinations for the shield?

[rich lantern]

@dreamy fractal Yay! That crash was happening to people that played A LOT OF RUNS. More than any of us here had done without deleting a save haha

[plain heron]

I wonder. Did they change Meg's shot to stunlock you too?

Like Hydra used to do.. I have not noticed it previously. This time I got couple of shots and they felt same (annoying) way, as Hydra's

[dreamy fractal]

Poseidon on attack for twice the wall slamming power witth artemis dash @tight bridge

[tight bridge]

i feel that haha i just got that and i play pinball with my enemies

[plain heron]

I like shield with Hunter's dash and some damage boosting stuff on it. I personnally prefer Aphrodite or Athena.

Then you basically dash, and keep shield bashing into another dash.

[dreamy fractal]

@rich lantern the crAsh actually got me trying out a bunch new things though. Tried to one run the game. I ended up making it to asphodel on first run of game. But still cant beat hydrA

game is too hard without that triple dash

I did beat the hydra with the bow and like no darkness upgrades at all though. I think its completely overtuned right now

[tight bridge]

is it?

how so?

[dreamy fractal]

If you get triple shot or 250% power shot you probably dont need Ny other boon

With back stab or the other mirror upgrade that adds damage after dashing

The piercing was a insane buff

[hollow loom]

The no-charge hammer boon for the bow is fun. Turns the bow into a really long, fast spear.

[forest marsh]

Quick Temper is the damage after dash

[unique nest]

the wildest thing i have tried in this game so far is the main sword and just pimping the hell outta my special aoe thing

it does so much but is kinda boring to play cant lie XD

[forest marsh]

Yeah, it can get nutty

[unique nest]

any good bow or shield setup?

[forest marsh]

Bow is pretty easy imo, Triple Shot + Hunter's Dash is how I usually play it

[rain axle]

man love these updates

[granite jackal]

They're actually so solid

They fixed my save-file size crash issue nigh instantly

[dreamy fractal]

oh damn,how many runs did you crash on

[granite jackal]

I don't know 😛

I would have to go back and finish the game once

Then look at my current number

But it was in Asphodel, upon grabbing a Pom of Power

[dreamy fractal]

yeah i didnt realize what was going on until like the 3rd crash

[granite jackal]

Just a testament to how fun I'm finding the game, I guess haha

And you too, I'm sure

[dreamy fractal]

i crashed around 130 runs and 12k darkness

[granite jackal]

That makes sense

[dapper heart]

Removing the thrust is actually fun.

[granite jackal]

Flurry or Chop?

Also Life-Steal is gone now until they come back from holidays x'D

RIP easy mode Sword Clears

[dapper heart]

Flurry.

[hollow loom]

https://streamable.com/t1hkm A few quirks of the bow, if this kinda detail is interesting to anyone else.

[rain axle]

People keep sleeping on Zues
https://imgur.com/a/6Q2zz8k

[tight bridge]

finally beat my first hydra after 39 attempts with shield

[lost rose]

nice!!!

[hollow minnow]

I GOT SO FAAAARRRR (for me lol) 😄 😄 😄 I'm so happy!!!!!!!!!! and proud of myself!!!!!!!!

i beat Megara and still had 91/125 health, and THEEEEN, unbelievably, made it ALL THE WAY to the healing fountain island in Asphodel!!!!!!!!!!! (and then immediately died lol. 😦 😦 😦 ) The island floating through the lava nearly did me in, though!!!!!! And Meg was, dare I say, getting "easier"??!!? Can I possibly do it again?!?! AHHHHH

how much Darkness do you guys have total? 😃

[tight bridge]

2477 currently

[regal valve]

Anyone got a good sword build for Hydra?

Cleared with other three weapons tonight... Sword still seems ass especially after life steal rip

[tight bridge]

try to get flurry and zeus powers

[forest marsh]

I beat Hydra with a Sword Special build that worked fairly well... I'll look for my screenshot

[hollow minnow]

flurry?? What god is that LOL?!

[cunning garden]

Daedalus

Is the hammer

[forest marsh]

It was this one https://imgur.com/0ZKxKi4 - Not saying it's a perfect build, but it was effective

[regal valve]

😭 🤓

[forest marsh]

That was pre-Aphrodite nerf, however

[rapid flicker]

I was getting close to killing Meg on my 43rd run but I made the mistake of dashing towards her when she's charging up her own dash. I wanna think that the dash makes you invincible but it doesn't. I'll get her eventually!

AND I DID IT

[rough condor]

Don't overcommit at Meg. Wait her dash - hit a few times - dash away

When she is impervious and you didnt clear any spawning enemies do that in the meantime

Keep a good distance to meg every time she follows you. Always wait for her dash before hitting. And when she fasts her mass arrows run away. With the Shield you can stand still and hold shield charge to block all incoming arrow thingys

[rapid flicker]

the bullet hell part was pretty easy to figure out and since I use the spear I'll either kite them or hide behind a pillar. But thanks for the tips! Getting past her every time I die is gonna be a pain in my butt

[sullen tree]

does anyone know the exact numbers for the changes today

[lost rose]

Greg mentioned earlier at least that the Aphrodite damage was lowered to a stable 10% instead of being between 10 and 15

[gleaming quiver]

@sullen tree

• Divine Flourish (Athena): slightly increased damage (+50% -> +60%)
• Sure Footing (Athena): normalized base power level (No more Variance. Number???.)
• Curse of Vengeance (Ares): reduced time until damage dealt (???)
• Blade Dash (Ares): slightly increased damage, reduced duration (3 -> 5 damage per tick. Duration???)
• Heartbreak Strike (Aphrodite): reduced damage bonus (+50% -> +20%)
• Heartbreak Flourish (Aphrodite): reduced damage bonus (+75% -> +40%)
• Sweet Surrender (Aphrodite): normalized base power level (No more Variance. Number given by dev in Discord = 1.0 ~ 1.5 -> 1.0)

I'm still not used to reading the lua files from the game's directory, so I don't know where to find durations related to Ares boons nor the "normalized" variance for rarity multiplier

But at least the flat damage bonus from Athena and Aphrodite are correct

[sullen tree]

flat damage was what I wanted to know mainly

thanks a lot

[gleaming quiver]

Oh and, Bone Hourglass went from +4 Encounters to +3, and Cyclops Jerky from +40% Attack damage to +20%

[sullen tree]

so Athena is the new Aphrodite?

[gleaming quiver]

In terms of raw damage bonus, yes

Aphrodite, while still giving some damage bonus, is now more about the Weak status

Here's how the three gods that give +% to Attack and Special compares now:
🛡 Athena:

• Attack: +40%
• Special: +60%
  💖 Aphrodite:
• Attack: +20%
• Special: +40%
  💦 Poseidon:
• Attack: +30%
• Special: +25%

[sullen tree]

much closer in numbers

and makes more sense, debuff god shouldn't also have most damage

[rapid flicker]

yeah athena only has the crit rate, right?

[gleaming quiver]

Athena is the wise/warrior one

You're thinking of Artemis, the hunter one

[rapid flicker]

Ohh ok my bad

[sullen tree]

artemis crit rate is sad

some changes should be made

like base damage + hunter dash

will always be better than straight crit

[rapid flicker]

I dunno, with a pom or two it's pretty nice. Even without it (what 40%?) it's still nice to have

[gleaming quiver]

That's only true for Attacks though, not Special. The only way to make a Special crit is with Deadly Flourish or the "global" crit boon

[sullen tree]

ya but hunter dash is 100% critchance for 1 attack

sure

you can get specials to crit

but not having base damage scaling makes them weak

[gleaming quiver]

For the normal attack, yeah

[sullen tree]

no for special

crit is 2x damage

shield is 15 damage base on special

2x damage at 40% chance

lets be nice and say its 100%

that makes it 30 damage

curse of pain makes it 45

divine flourish makes it 22.5

[gleaming quiver]

A crit is +100%, the Common rarity has 45% crit for the Special, which then means that the overall damage increase if you average it is +45%, which is slightly above Aphrodite now

But I do agree that it doesn't really feel powerful enough. At least for the Common rarity

[sullen tree]

also upgrading past 100 does nothing for you

[gleaming quiver]

When you get a Rare or Epic, it jumps to 60% chance and 67% chance respectively

True, but with a crit build, you want to get Clean Kill anyway to increase your crit damage

That's when things start to get quickly out of control in terms of damage... but that requires a combo of boons

[sullen tree]

with that logic you would be making a attack build

and not a special build

if the idea of the build is maximum damage from crits

[gleaming quiver]

Depends on what you got on your Hammer I guess

[sullen tree]

the likelihood of your hammer being all special buffs is low

and even with special for you hammer

attacks are still strong most of the time :/

tldr, I would like a buff to specials

I did two runs where I built around special

I just ended up killing bosses with a weaker attack

cause of how clumsy specials are

[gleaming quiver]

In regards to what, raw damage or crit rate? Or both?

[sullen tree]

raw damage

I had pre nerf aphro + every skill crit + aoe for sword special

still lost out to a level 2 aphro attack

in terms of boss dps

[gleaming quiver]

The "All your damage can crit" boon?

[sullen tree]

yes

level 4 aphro

and the 200% damage from the special range increase

was hitting for like 400-600 on crit special

[gleaming quiver]

I really don't like that one, the rate is way too low. It might be good in some Zeus build, but for a Sword special, which is a 1-hit AoE, it doesn't really shine that much

[sullen tree]

specials are pretty much all utility

the sword one is clunky

so I just don't use it

the bow one

is a joke

unless you use it for deflect

the shield one seems like it could be usable for a Zeus build

[gleaming quiver]

I just did a Special Bow run with Aphrodite boon on it and the +100% hits from the hammer. Pretty good actually

But it needs quite some investment

[boreal zephyr]

critical damage is x2 damage right?

[sullen tree]

if you had that many boons

you'd probably end up doing more damage on attacks

[rapid flicker]

Imo I like the spear special but it can be a little hard to lock on with, though the backstab damage almost being guaranteed is nice especially with the backstab bonus stacked on the mirror

[sullen tree]

spear special is cool

but it has the same problem

dash attack is too strong :/

[gleaming quiver]

With a backstab and all arrows connecting, I could kill an hydra add head in three special shots iirc

[rapid flicker]

Yeaah however, I find the cast quite lame even if it's been upgraded

[granite sentinel]

Which cast? All of them?

[rapid flicker]

I suppose spear but I thought they were the same base cast for each weapon

[sullen tree]

ares and zeus cast are good

[granite sentinel]

I was talking about god upgrades

Because of what Sliverz said, those two are quite good and I don't mind Poseidons either

[sullen tree]

I don't see poseiden enough

[full kelp]

Aww man

[rapid flicker]

Ah gotcha, yeah I really like Zeus's upgrades but in general cast is a bit disappointing. Maybe I just don't pay enough attention to it to get good upgrades out of it 🤷

[full kelp]

They nerfed Aphrodite

[sullen tree]

also I can't ever seem to get dash bonus damage for spear

[granite sentinel]

Artemis gets good with the right combination of boons, but the base is weak

[gleaming quiver]

https://i.imgur.com/96Jx6oZ.jpg
Cast build I tried yesterday

[boreal zephyr]

Non crit full charge bow shot after dash is 70 but when it crits its 110. is that a bug?

power shot*

[sullen tree]

you got unlucky

you didn't get t2 for 2nd shot

for cast build

though for cast build ares or zeus is better

since it doesn't stay in enemies

[gleaming quiver]

I had Quick Reload at the end

[rapid flicker]

true, true

[gleaming quiver]

1.5s saying in enemies... By the time I finish using my 4 casts, the first one is already on the ground

[sullen tree]

ares does 11 damage a second

level 1

or maybe it was 9

[rapid flicker]

Thought zeus was 11

[gleaming quiver]

Ares is quite short range, while Artemis is very safe

[rapid flicker]

Ares is the blade rift, right?

[gleaming quiver]

yeah

[rapid flicker]

That bounces around though

[gleaming quiver]

Not much, the projectile is quite slow

[granite sentinel]

Blade Rift was 5-9 last time I checked

[rapid flicker]

true but still

[sullen tree]

I guess I got lucky and it was always rare or higher

[granite sentinel]

But I haven't seen him in a while

[gleaming quiver]

5-9 for Common, yeah

[granite sentinel]

Lightning bounce is 10-15

[rapid flicker]

Yeah that's what I thought

[sullen tree]

when spear charge build does sword special better than sword special

lmao

[rapid flicker]

Lol

[sullen tree]

benefits from hunter dash

• base damage scaling

has a increased range or a charge speed hammer