#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 173

night pasture Dec 17, 2018, 1:37 AM

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I'll keep the AOE thing in mind though

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:37 AM

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AOE builds tend to have less damage

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whereas normal attack specs deal a lot more damage to boss

night pasture Dec 17, 2018, 1:37 AM

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well my instinct was to use the bow special to clear crowds, but it take so long, isn't very good, and the recovery is real bad

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:38 AM

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ya

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bow special is kinda a joke

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the only time I think its worth using is when you get the double projectiles

night pasture Dec 17, 2018, 1:38 AM

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good to know

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:38 AM

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and you use it as a shotgun

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but its still worse than attack

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so....

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also you can kinda curate your builds

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if you run god keepsakes

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like I run the Artemis keepsake to guarantee the Artemis dash at some point in my run

night pasture Dec 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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her crit damage is really nice, too

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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if you are lucky enough to get it

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:41 AM

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6 hydra kills on 12 runs now:)

night pasture Dec 17, 2018, 1:41 AM

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speaking of which, not that I'm anywhere near enough to get it, does anyone know the max you can put into the levels of the "chance for rare" and "chance for epic" skills?

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:41 AM

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50 25

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 1:41 AM

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Can someone tell me which keepsake I'm missing?

night pasture Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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cool, thanks!

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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check your codex

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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go into codex and see who doesn't have a present yet

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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if they have a heart with the present

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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Itried to post images but cant lol

untold trellis Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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look at codex and go through all the character pages

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you can see the empty presents there

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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Athena

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Thanks

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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@night pasture @pastel jolt I found one thanks so much! Yes I think I had just walked right by a few. I only started the game today lol

night pasture Dec 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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👍

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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I got this game a couple days ago too

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very fun

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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yeah it is awesome

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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and it seems like there is a lot of variability even in alpha

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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I'm very ready for more levels lol

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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did 85 attempts on my first save

night pasture Dec 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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@knotty delta also keep an eye out for gold colored urns in rooms, they give you a little bit of gold if you break them before you leave

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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I wonder if the hydra kill strat is going to get patched out

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it feels a bit like an exploit to me

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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you mean the bow triple shot?

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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Sweet! Thank you so much!! 😃

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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no

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the fact the the projectiles can't hit you

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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cause that is insane

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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if you stand on the boss

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 1:45 AM

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yeah i feel like the projectiles should always shoot towards where you are, would be a nice buff to hydra

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right now too easy to cheese

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:45 AM

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i just dodge em lol

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 1:45 AM

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The health back on sword thrust needs to be fixed, it breaks the game

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:45 AM

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then shoot 3 arrows in his skull

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 1:45 AM

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exactly, dodging them is easy enough, the cheese makes it trivial

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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I've literally beaten the hydra every single time I get that hammer upgrade

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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yeah it's busted, needs a major nerf

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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yeah i did a full single dash run with triple shot

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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even without triple shot

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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I beat both meg and the hydra with 100% health 4 times...

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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it goes down so fast

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if you can dps while hydra is shooting

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before I was hiding behind the walls like an idiot

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:48 AM

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but yeah doesent really work with bow if ur goin for artemis dash tho

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seeing i gotta dash every shot

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 1:49 AM

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how do you upload pics?

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:49 AM

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posting it somewhere and then linking:p

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 1:49 AM

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drag the file onto discord

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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you can dash every 2 or 3 shots

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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it should just drop right in

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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if you upgrade it

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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not with lvl1:p

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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true

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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but u need to dash for every powershot te charge faster

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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yeah drag and drop doesn't work

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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so no point in goin aboive lvl1

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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you can't load files

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drop an image link

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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hmm maybe you need privs for it, i've only ever done it in private messages

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 1:51 AM

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easiest run ever https://imgur.com/a/1a51i7G

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indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:52 AM

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yeah clearly:p

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 1:52 AM

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zeus still teir 1 imo

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I force zeus nearly every run just to get his legendary

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:53 AM

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never used zeus keepske

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 1:53 AM

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yeah zeus legendary is the most busted thing in the whole game

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:53 AM

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what does it do?

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 1:53 AM

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i've stopped running zeus boon cause it makes every run tedious

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 1:53 AM

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adds a ball of lightning to every cast you do with zeus buff that does 80 damage each

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 1:54 AM

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yikes

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 1:54 AM

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somethings will spawn multiple they just bounce around the room until they hit something

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if you get the bounces additional times upgrade they will fill up the room

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feel like my game is going to crash sometimes because of the fps drops

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:55 AM

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had the same problem

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sometimes i get randop drops

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 1:56 AM

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cast is main damage here but got world splitter on a 80% chance to crit as back up for attack

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oh and the dash will spawn the lightning balls too

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lol love it when cast crits for 520 before the 80 from legend then keeps bouncing to something else

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 2:01 AM

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😃

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 2:01 AM

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so I guess each hydra head has 1k hp

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 2:02 AM

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same for me last run, if i got my triple shot to hit all 3 arrows i got 600+dmg lol

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 2:02 AM

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I stay far away from bow

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I can do that while dashing around the room none stop

hollow totem Dec 17, 2018, 2:19 AM

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?

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I feel liek ares ledgendary

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is absolutly broke

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It's so easY to run

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every thing gets done for you

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 2:32 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/1xoBO2I

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again super easy

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Sounds like you should use the bow for a bit

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Since you don't like it. :p

night pasture Dec 17, 2018, 2:39 AM

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had a great bow run but still died to the hydra

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therefore clearly the bow needs to buffed a bazillion times more

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every time I use my special kill every enemy on the screen

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that seems fair

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Are there any boons that affect armor? or is it just weapon upgrades

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 2:42 AM

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There are some that give bonus vs armour, yes

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 2:42 AM

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alright thanks

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 2:44 AM

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I know there's a Daedalus upgrade for the Spear that gives +500% vs armour on the special

marsh barn Dec 17, 2018, 2:46 AM

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as far as boons for the gods no. all things that increase armor damage are on a daedalus hammer i believe

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wait nvm

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 2:46 AM

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pikachu

marsh barn Dec 17, 2018, 2:46 AM

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artemis has one

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 2:46 AM

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@turbid needle there is a shield mod that gives 20% dmg resist

marsh barn Dec 17, 2018, 2:46 AM

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she has a boon that deals extra damage to armor on crits

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Oh, my bad, I guess hammer isn't technically a boon

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Oh you may not be asking about that

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Sorry lol

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Yeah, Artemis Hide Breaker is bonus vs armour

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 2:48 AM

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so it looks like quick temper is bugged it is doing 3x damage instead of 2x

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 2:48 AM

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I was just wondering if there were both boons and weapon upgrades that can affect armor

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Yeah, QT bug has been reported many times

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Armored enemies? Or your personal armor/resist

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But wightfyre might have picked the only one that affects armored opponents

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Because I can't think of any from boons

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 2:49 AM

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how exactly does deflect work?

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Deflect counters attacks

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 2:49 AM

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if you get hit while attacking enemies it reverts the damage on themselves?

spiral slate Dec 17, 2018, 2:50 AM

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what's the best god to start with for a cast run?

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artemis? zeus?

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 2:50 AM

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you hit the attack and it is deflected back at attacker

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 2:50 AM

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artemis probably

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Deflect reverses attacks from enemies back at them

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 2:50 AM

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quick reload

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 2:50 AM

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zeus is best god in game hands down

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 2:50 AM

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You hit enemies as they attack and they stop attacking and it injures them

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You can also deflect projectiles

spiral slate Dec 17, 2018, 2:50 AM

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zeus almost never shows up for me qq

rain axle Dec 17, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Just use keepsake

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the god buffs are not random they will give your more of teh same ones you already have

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 2:53 AM

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Hm

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Can anyone think of a well worded explanation for Chain?

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Chain? As in, Chain Lightning?

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 2:56 AM

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yup

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Effects that cause [Chain Lightning] will bounce between multiple enemies in range when the effect triggers. The number of bounces can be increased by getting another Zeus Boon, then Pomming that Boon over and over again. Chain Lightning is not useful against single-targets, you need at least two foes for it to ping-pong between.

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 2:58 AM

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I'll take some bits and pieces of it, cheers 😄

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:00 AM

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@granite jackal does it actually bounce between two enemies until it hits the limit?

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Or will the projectile only hit an enemy once

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 3:01 AM

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I actually don't know. It's kind of hard to see, and I would need to actually test it.

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I really wished it did bounce between two enemies until it hits the limit.

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Like that's what I want it to be.

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Because if it wasn't that way, then the ability is profoundly UNSATISFYING compared to its implementation in other games.

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:01 AM

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ill leave it as bounce on the wiki for now

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if one of you do confirm or deconfirm the effect lemme know so I can edit the page.

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:02 AM

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Yeah I'll have to test it. I think I started a run with Zeus trinket and sword so I'll focus on it, but that won't be until after this PPV lol

night pasture Dec 17, 2018, 3:08 AM

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speaking of weaps I'm pretty sure I know the answer but is there any reason to choose the sword over the spear?

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the answer is: world splitter

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but that's kind of luck based

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:10 AM

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Anyone know how cornered works?

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:11 AM

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If you push an enemy into the corner of terrain. Usually triggers on the pointy bits

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Like a wall smash

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:11 AM

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Wait

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:11 AM

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Typically pits in the first area trigger it as they tend to have corners

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:11 AM

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I didnt know spear had knockback?

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on the default attack

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:12 AM

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It doesnt

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:12 AM

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hmm

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someone on the wiki listed it as an effect

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:12 AM

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Spear only gets KB from Poseidon. I don't think any Daedalus effects grant it. None that I've seen anywau

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 3:12 AM

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anyone feel like the shield is a bit too weak or is it just me?

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i did experience release shield so i might be a bit biased

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:13 AM

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I love the shield. You just zip around bashing people into walls

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 3:13 AM

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i love that too but the daedalus upgrade that removes the knockback actually makes it weaker

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:13 AM

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I agree

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I wouldn't choose it.

vestal fjord Dec 17, 2018, 3:14 AM

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Having knockback on every attack is very useful, and being able to do the charge attack gives it good mobility. The main problem is that is has the worst hammer upgrades, and doesn't combo as well as the rest.

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:17 AM

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can any deadalus hammer upgrades provide knockback?

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 3:20 AM

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I think I'm going to have to start screenshotting everything that I come across for you 😆

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:20 AM

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lmao

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that would be appreciated if its not too much trouble

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And sorry if my constant questions are annoying here btw

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Just trying to get up all the info ASAP so we have a reference in future

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 3:20 AM

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Oh no! Not at all! You're doing great work

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:22 AM

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I don't remember seeing any that give KB

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But my memory isn't perfect

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:23 AM

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I just learned that some of the daedalus upgrades can actually add crits

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so i thought maybe they could add knockback too

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:24 AM

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Definitely possible. I can only think of ones that take it away. Shield, removing lunge attack from sword....

rancid fractal Dec 17, 2018, 3:25 AM

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people beating hydra regularly; are you using mouse/kb or gamepad?

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:25 AM

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I've only beaten it twice (runs 47 and 48 out of 48) but I've used kbm the whole time.

rancid fractal Dec 17, 2018, 3:26 AM

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yeah after watching some twitch and stuff i’m starting to wonder if gamepad is seriously gimping me

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 3:26 AM

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I don't know about that, Dino does speedruns on a controller

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:26 AM

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I think either control scheme has adv and disadv

rancid fractal Dec 17, 2018, 3:28 AM

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what weapon does he speedrun with?

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 3:28 AM

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Bow mostly

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But he also does first runs with the sword (since that's all you get)

rancid fractal Dec 17, 2018, 3:30 AM

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bow with controller? huh. i feel totally gimped

autumn yarrow Dec 17, 2018, 3:30 AM

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controller is hella easy

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cause there's aim assist

rancid fractal Dec 17, 2018, 3:30 AM

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guess i need to git gud Praise

autumn yarrow Dec 17, 2018, 3:30 AM

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and the game feels like i'ts designed aorund that so they say "recommended to play with a controller"

harsh goblet Dec 17, 2018, 3:31 AM

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I feel fine playing on PC

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:31 AM

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I need some help identifying spear upgrades

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http://prntscr.com/lvunio
http://prntscr.com/lvunk5

Lightshot

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Captured with Lightshot

Lightshot

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Captured with Lightshot

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Which one is untouchable thrust and which one is cruel skewer

rancid fractal Dec 17, 2018, 3:33 AM

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i’m playing on pc but with gamepad

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couch is too attractive

harsh goblet Dec 17, 2018, 3:33 AM

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not playing a lot with spear xD

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:36 AM

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@turbid needle top one is thrust

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:36 AM

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Awesome thanks

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 3:36 AM

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Can search my name and for link for confirmation

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:37 AM

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Ill take your word for it

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Nothing we cant change

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 3:51 AM

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@turbid needle Here's a screenshot with a picture of Fully Loaded that I see is missing on the wiki
https://imgur.com/kQ4ueVq

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Artemis Boons

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 3:52 AM

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anyone know whether god's pride and olympian favor is a multiplicative increase or additive, as in if the chance of an epic boon is 1% with god's pride 10 it would be 1.1% or 11%

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 3:52 AM

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I don't know for sure, but I would bet on the latter

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Otherwise that would be terrible

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 3:53 AM

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I'm pretty sure additive

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 3:53 AM

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i mean it would be terrible if the percentage was 1% by base

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:53 AM

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additive

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 3:53 AM

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thanks

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anyone know what the base and cap are too?

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:54 AM

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cap is 50% i believe?

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either 25% or 50%

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 3:54 AM

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50 for rare and 25 for epic one

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 3:54 AM

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alright thanks

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 3:55 AM

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Also is there a wiki? That would be awesome

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 3:55 AM

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yeah hold on i'll find it in my history

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googling for it never works

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hades_Wiki

Hades Wiki

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 3:55 AM

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Yesss perfect

autumn yarrow Dec 17, 2018, 3:56 AM

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can we just get the wiki pinned? <@&456908176877551658>

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:57 AM

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@fiery iron should pop up if you google "hades gamepedia"

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 3:58 AM

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i've tried that before but it never came up

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ah it just looks a little different when you clickit on google

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gotta click main page to get to the important stuff

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 3:59 AM

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Now here's a question

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Is there any situation in which the Lucky Tooth is better than the Collar?

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 4:00 AM

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what does lucky tooth do again?

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:00 AM

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When you die, come back with 10

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Once

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:00 AM

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It's a lesser version of Death Defiance

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 4:00 AM

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i mean, that's just a worse death defy, and you already get 3 at max

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:00 AM

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It seems like the Lucky Tooth gives you a one-time boost of 10 health, while the Collar gives you a boost of 20, that can be refilled with items or fountains

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Er, of 25

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Even better

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 4:00 AM

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honestly tooth should atleast be 20, you can easily buy another death defy instead of running that

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so no, i'd nevr run it

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 4:01 AM

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yeah the google page takes you to the page for the game itself

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for some reason

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rather than the home page

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 4:01 AM

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yeah it was throwing me off

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but somebody posted it earlier, so i had it in my history

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:01 AM

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I never use the tooth, yeah. I'm just wondering if it's ever useful, or if it is actually strictly worse than the collar.

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(At the moment I use the rose for Tartarus and the collar for Asphodel)

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 4:02 AM

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i'd say strictly worse, like you said 10 vs 25 hp

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:02 AM

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Yeah

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 4:02 AM

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the only way it would be better, is if somehow you were at 1 hp and got hit for like atleast 16

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math might be off there, but yeah collar would almost always be more effective health

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 4:03 AM

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forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:04 AM

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Thanks @lost rose friendly

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 4:04 AM

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i like how the only other pin is someone saying git gud lol

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:05 AM

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I believe that was pinned as the "theme" of this channel

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 4:05 AM

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ah xD

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 4:05 AM

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Np lol

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:18 AM

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Finally got that good-good Aphrodite scroll, now I can stop hoarding Obol 😆

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Alright time to swing a sword and hang out with Zeus. wish me luck

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:21 AM

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Good luck!

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 4:23 AM

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.... welp... I think I got the three best options? https://imgur.com/a/oIg589K

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worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:24 AM

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Protip don't take all of those together

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😛

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 4:24 AM

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the chop is always my fav

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:24 AM

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I go for Life Drinker

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 4:24 AM

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It's the start of the run and I'm guaranteed to run into Zeus assuming the trinket works correctly. Leaning towards Flurry Blade

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:25 AM

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Flurry Blade goes well with Zeus boons

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 4:28 AM

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oh

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that was one of the last icons i needed

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now i jut need to figure out what Sudden Sunder looks like

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Glad I could be of service bows

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Just beat Meg with a Sword Special build, which I didn't think I was personally capable of 😆

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 4:30 AM

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lmao

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Sword Special irritates me

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Too slow for my style

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:31 AM

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The animation is very slow... But with Super Nova it makes up for it (and is the only way it's feasible in my mind)

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Super Nova being increased radius and 200% damage

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 4:40 AM

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First legendary 😄 https://imgur.com/a/o5Zh19q

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tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 4:40 AM

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mine was zeus'

white shell Dec 17, 2018, 4:40 AM

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what does zeus' do?

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Your lightning-enchanted attacks create an additional bolt.

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 4:41 AM

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yep

white shell Dec 17, 2018, 4:43 AM

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ahh thanks

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 4:44 AM

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And my second XD https://imgur.com/a/ApdkWFy

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No matter what happens this has been a run

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 4:44 AM

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jesus

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:44 AM

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Dang!

rocky whale Dec 17, 2018, 4:44 AM

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flurry blade/zeus is like super op haha

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:44 AM

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That's one heck of a run you have going

rocky whale Dec 17, 2018, 4:44 AM

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Yeah, I managed to get Athena/Ares legendaries once

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:44 AM

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The key to getting legendaries is to stack strongly into a single god's boons (which is easiest by doing trials)

rocky whale Dec 17, 2018, 4:45 AM

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And to make sure you take their "mechanic" that applies to their legendary

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So taking hunter dash won't get you towards the Athena legendary, and taking lightning dash won't take you to zeus

stray radish Dec 17, 2018, 4:46 AM

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welp i just had a run to farm ambrosia and beat Meg by accident xD

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:46 AM

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Welp

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Congrats Risu! First time?

stray radish Dec 17, 2018, 4:47 AM

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true shot and crit spear special is a fun combo

rocky whale Dec 17, 2018, 4:47 AM

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I decided to take the Poseidon resource boon to get extra darkness, and I found out it also increases the max health from centurion hearts. That was fun

stray radish Dec 17, 2018, 4:47 AM

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yeah!

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and thanks

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Yeah, Epic Oceans Bounty can result in insane amounts of health

rocky whale Dec 17, 2018, 4:48 AM

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I beat the hydra with essentially just 250 health and a thunder dash. It was very hard to die

stray radish Dec 17, 2018, 4:48 AM

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wow

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:48 AM

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Some runs are just meant to be 😆

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 4:51 AM

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3rd straight victory https://imgur.com/a/N0Hr50v barely got touched by the hydra. had no death denied left so that was a good thing lol.

Imgur

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 4:53 AM

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splitting bolt is so good, its actually insane

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insta win if you have it

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 4:53 AM

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it was shockingly effective.

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:53 AM

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@turbid needle https://imgur.com/4HesRdV Black Metal icon if you don't already have it - not on the wiki

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Ares Boons

dire crystal Dec 17, 2018, 4:54 AM

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zeus' is actually busted with his cast

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its so good

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 4:54 AM

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Can you dm me it I’m about to sleep

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 4:55 AM

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i'll get it kimo

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 4:55 AM

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So favorite god boons?

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 4:55 AM

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I have a soft spot for Poseidons dash

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 4:55 AM

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Hunter's Dash, all time favourite

dire crystal Dec 17, 2018, 4:56 AM

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Poseidon's stuff in general is a favorite even if it isnt the most powerful

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blade dash is good

rocky whale Dec 17, 2018, 5:00 AM

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hunter's dash gets me the wins

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 5:03 AM

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i'd say hunters dash for spear or bow, hard to say for the other two but probably any zeus boon

rocky whale Dec 17, 2018, 5:07 AM

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zeus boon works really well for spear, or flurry sword

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 5:07 AM

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exactly why i like it on sword, and yeah it's really good on spear but artemis dash is just better

rocky whale Dec 17, 2018, 5:07 AM

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hunter is also good on the big chop damage sword

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 5:08 AM

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haven't seen that upgrade in forever, meaning to try it if i do see it

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only been seeing flurry or lifesteal sadly

rocky whale Dec 17, 2018, 5:08 AM

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I have yet to see lifesteal. very sad

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I only have 1 shield win. can't really figure that one out except maybe just a cast/dash build

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 5:13 AM

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yeah the shield special is actually worthless, the normal attack isn't bad especially since you can innately push things into walls or into lava

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and charge does decent damage too

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 5:14 AM

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shield got nerfed hard, i'd say go poseidon for insane knockbacks

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or athena to get back that deflect

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 5:16 AM

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Second ever win! And with a Sword Special build nonetheless 😆 https://imgur.com/a/iTyT4py

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worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:17 AM

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Congratulations!

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 5:18 AM

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Now I just need to do a Shield and a Spear win

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:18 AM

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I'm down to the bow

inner heath Dec 17, 2018, 5:18 AM

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Shield and Sword left myself

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 5:19 AM

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speaking of the shield being weak earlier, just lost at a 20 streak with shield , feelsbadman

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400 gems tho so i guess consolation prize

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:20 AM

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Womp womp. I had a defense build going with the shield. Was missing a couple things but I liked the way it was headed

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But then I ran out of game to play

inner heath Dec 17, 2018, 5:20 AM

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I'm not even sure how I'd try to build the shield to beat hydra. Used it so infrequently so far

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 5:21 AM

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just need a decent cast and preferably aphro or zeus on normal attack honestly

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:22 AM

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I had Ares attack and Aphrodite dodge

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 5:22 AM

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yeah aphro dodge is really good, ares attack isn't bad either

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:22 AM

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20% damage reduction from the hammer upgrade

inner heath Dec 17, 2018, 5:22 AM

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I did spear + bow with Atremis dodge crits

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Figured it wouldn't be as strong for shield, but haven't given it a proper try yet

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So straight damage buffs seem the way to go then?

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 5:23 AM

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pretty much, artemis dash isn't near as good on shield as it is on bow or spear

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you want atleast one aphro thing for weaken too

inner heath Dec 17, 2018, 5:23 AM

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Figured as much, which is why I was thinking I have no idea how to build for shield

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Makes sense

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:24 AM

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Experiment!

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I just finished a run where I had two legendary boons

inner heath Dec 17, 2018, 5:25 AM

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That was the original plan!

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 5:25 AM

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i once had zeus legendary and then got aphro legendary right before hydra

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:25 AM

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Sick

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 5:25 AM

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that was a feelsbad

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never got to even try aphro legendary

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:25 AM

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Lol well next time.

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 5:25 AM

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one day, when there are more levels, that woulda been great lol

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 5:26 AM

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I've had Aphrodite Legendary a couple times, but I feel like by the time you get it, you're killing enemies too fast for the Charm to make any difference

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:27 AM

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It's probably like Poseidon then where you just hope it gets you a bit of space?

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 5:35 AM

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why dont they permit pasting photos to this channel?

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 5:36 AM

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not too sure, honestly, but it's been like that from the beginning

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images are enabled in fanworks

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and you can always use imgur

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 5:37 AM

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yea imgur isnt letting me past the screen capture

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 5:38 AM

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using F10 in-game saves a screenshot to your documents folder and then you can upload someplace

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you can also use a third party program like Fraps

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:40 AM

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Pressing print screen has not worked for me. So far f10 had been most consistent.

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 5:40 AM

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yeah, printscreen doesn't really work well with hades; F10 is definitely the best in-game option

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 5:40 AM

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oof, i'm going on a zeus heavy sword build and i have the choice between chop and flurry

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:41 AM

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Flurry

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I literally just completed that run

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Flurry is 🔥

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 5:41 AM

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alright, i haven't seen flurry so i'll test it out

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that is fast

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wow

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:41 AM

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Yuuuuuuup

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Have fun with lightning

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 5:45 AM

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anyone else thinks that the inferno bomber's move where they jump back and leave a bunch of bombs on the floor blows up too fast?

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 5:45 AM

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Anyone know if the Untouchable Thrust works properly with the spin attack on spear?

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@tight bridge Sometimes, yes! I've mostly gotten used to it by dashing like mad when the bombers are around, though. Pain in the butt!

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 5:46 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/NnqH7QT

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tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 5:46 AM

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definitely something that's cost me a lot of life

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 5:47 AM

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That's a lot of modifiers, Rec!

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 5:47 AM

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lol

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getting 2 doubles certainly helps

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:49 AM

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Holy 8 shots

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 5:49 AM

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yea that one is upgradable

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i buffed that one 2 times

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 5:50 AM

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Seems like a powerful build

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 5:57 AM

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Only a room or two past the Skeletwins and my spear spin attack is already doing 396 damage on max charge reliably... I think this might be a good run

gleaming quiver Dec 17, 2018, 6:03 AM

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Just started a new run. Got hammer and Life Drinker. I guess I'm killing Hydra

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(the other two options were bad 😦 )

marsh barn Dec 17, 2018, 6:04 AM

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every run ive done that's been successful ive never taken life drinker. i Love the one that makes the sword give 400% damage and just makes it a big chop

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that hits so hard

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and the one that makes it attack twice after a dash. very strong

gleaming quiver Dec 17, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Huh? You almost cannot die with Life Drinker

marsh barn Dec 17, 2018, 6:05 AM

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idk i hate losing that % of hp. ive never taken it though

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i always take something else

gleaming quiver Dec 17, 2018, 6:05 AM

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You should try it at least once to understand why it'll very likely get nerfed :p

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 6:06 AM

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Gotta experience true power before its nerfed into the ground

gleaming quiver Dec 17, 2018, 6:06 AM

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^

marsh barn Dec 17, 2018, 6:06 AM

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haha well id rather not pick it so when it does get nerfed i wont become to attached

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 6:07 AM

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I dont pick it up anymore cause it's too boring, did it once and that was enough

marsh barn Dec 17, 2018, 6:07 AM

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Like i said, the 400% damage on the sword for the one chop is my favorite

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 6:07 AM

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Can literally face tank everything and heal for over 20 per thrust

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 6:07 AM

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Up to 1000 damage on backstabs with the spin attack now 👌

sick gorge Dec 17, 2018, 6:07 AM

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true power was upgrading multi shot and bursting everyone into the ground......

fiery iron Dec 17, 2018, 6:08 AM

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Yeah haven't seen multi shot yet, need to try that before it's also nerfed lol

gleaming quiver Dec 17, 2018, 6:08 AM

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Well, I had the armor crush and the Flurry upgrades with Life Drinker. I already did a Flurry run, it was fun but quite exausting, and my thumb still remember all that X button presses... So I went with Life Drinker

sick gorge Dec 17, 2018, 6:08 AM

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it was already nerfed into burst shot

hollow totem Dec 17, 2018, 6:09 AM

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Life drinker is OP confirmed

sick gorge Dec 17, 2018, 6:09 AM

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before it just shot extra shots now the extra shots are at 25% damage

gleaming quiver Dec 17, 2018, 6:09 AM

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I'd love if they add a "Hold the attack button to keep attacking" with Blade Flurry

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 6:09 AM

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add it to feedback

gleaming quiver Dec 17, 2018, 6:10 AM

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Will do probably

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:28 AM

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hey all, which trinkets do you like to use? im using cerberus right now but it seems like a crutch

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 6:28 AM

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I usually open with one of the god-specific ones, then change after Meg

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Most times I start with either Artemis or Aphrodite

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:28 AM

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i had been using aphrodite trinket but my strat's a little outdated now, haha

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:29 AM

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ooh i'll try that, aphrodite is good?

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:29 AM

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absolutely

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 6:29 AM

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Aphrodite's boons are generally well-liked

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:29 AM

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ares is pretty great too

azure cloak Dec 17, 2018, 6:29 AM

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aphrodite is the support translation

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:29 AM

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and the poseidon buff recently made poseidon worth it

azure cloak Dec 17, 2018, 6:29 AM

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my best combo is aphrodite and zues

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:30 AM

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yeah i've had a lot of fun w/ poseidon and zeus lol

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:30 AM

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~~may as well get ares boons just to look at ares lmao~~

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:30 AM

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GWfroggyJerry im more of a zeus kinda guy

azure cloak Dec 17, 2018, 6:30 AM

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I just did a trial

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:30 AM

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ares is a lot of fun though

jolly atlas Dec 17, 2018, 6:30 AM

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Aphrodite and Athena are pretty good together, lots of tanking

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:30 AM

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agree to disagree 🤝

azure cloak Dec 17, 2018, 6:30 AM

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Why must I choose between dps and support

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cries in a corner
my babies

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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gotcha, and you can't guarantee a daedalus hammer? hammer is soo strong

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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athena's fun but the wonky clipping on her cast makes it temperamental

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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No way to guarantee the Hammer, no

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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sad

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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Not yet anyway

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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kk

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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Still lots of content to come

jolly atlas Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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I never get the cast it’s like... meh

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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the only cast i like is zeus's

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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Cast can be super strong with the right boons

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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and ares sometimes

jolly atlas Dec 17, 2018, 6:31 AM

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Oh whoops sorry

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:32 AM

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Haha np just keep it in mind ^^

jolly atlas Dec 17, 2018, 6:32 AM

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Athena’s dash is really good

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:32 AM

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oh is it? the downside kinda freaks me out

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since i spam dash 24/7

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 6:32 AM

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You just have to time your dashes more carefully to make the Deflect beneficial

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:32 AM

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i'm bad at dodging so i love the revenge damage boons

jolly atlas Dec 17, 2018, 6:33 AM

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I thought so too but like you gain deflect at the start and during the dash

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:33 AM

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i'll need to mess w/ deflect more

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does it work against melee atks?

jolly atlas Dec 17, 2018, 6:33 AM

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Yep!

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:33 AM

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oh crap

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:33 AM

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god tbt when the shield auto-deflected

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:34 AM

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i've run into the large guys sooo many times accidentally

jolly atlas Dec 17, 2018, 6:34 AM

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Oh the auto deflect was like disgustingly good

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:34 AM

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stand in a corner and let enemies crash against your bulwark

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:34 AM

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i saw some gameplay with the old shield and it seemed a liiiiiittle busted

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:34 AM

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just a little

jolly atlas Dec 17, 2018, 6:34 AM

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It was a lotta busted

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My new favourite is the sword

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:35 AM

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i don't think my quick hydra kill was with the shield......it was bow special

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but it WAS before sweet surrender was nerfed

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hahahahahaha

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good times.

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:35 AM

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i got to the hydra once and i did use the sword yeah

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w/ the aphrodite special

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daedalus special

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was balanced

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:36 AM

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every balance patch has changed the gameplay so dramatically that it feels like it's been so much longer than it actually has lmao

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 6:36 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/524087091865452544/524112377394888705/ares_8.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/524087091865452544/524112380007940096/ares_9.png
Do you guys know which of these is Hungry Blade and which is Engulfing Vortex?

lost rose Dec 17, 2018, 6:36 AM

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see i wanna say the first one is engulfing vortex personally

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but.

split flicker Dec 17, 2018, 6:36 AM

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top one looks like a vortex lol

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 6:36 AM

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the second one has a sword so im assuming its hungry blade

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but better safe than sorry

oblique karma Dec 17, 2018, 6:42 AM

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What's hungry blade

atomic swallow Dec 17, 2018, 6:43 AM

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y'all got any tips with the bow? as it stands its the weapon i'm the worst with

oblique karma Dec 17, 2018, 6:43 AM

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Dash before charging

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Speeds up the charge by quite a lot

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Ideally get a dash upgrade or 2

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Yup, dash attacks are where it's at

gleaming quiver Dec 17, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Artemis Dash and the "triple shot" upgrades are pretty good with the bow

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Work on your Power Shot timing too, it goes fast with the dash first

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Triple Shot with bow is OP AF

atomic swallow Dec 17, 2018, 6:45 AM

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on this run i grabbed athena's dash, that satisfactory for a bow run?

oblique karma Dec 17, 2018, 6:45 AM

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As it stands, bows are in the best shape they've been so good luck

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Athena dash doesnt rly have synergy with bow

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But it still works

atomic swallow Dec 17, 2018, 6:45 AM

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fair enough

oblique karma Dec 17, 2018, 6:45 AM

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Due to it slowing down the dash and

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Chances are you're not dashing into people

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Look for Artemis, aphrodite, ares, Poseidon and Zeus

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I just listed a the gods... hum

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But in that order for bow imo

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 6:48 AM

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Poor Athena

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Left out

oblique karma Dec 17, 2018, 6:48 AM

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Lol athena has her good sides for shield and sword

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Not so much for bow

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 6:49 AM

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Honestly Phalanx Shot is the best of hers imo

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Though I play cast-heavy

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 6:49 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/cVm5lbE

Imgur

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basically just beat him by dashing back and forth lmao

jolly atlas Dec 17, 2018, 6:49 AM

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Oh mood

oblique karma Dec 17, 2018, 6:49 AM

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Grats LOL

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 6:50 AM

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not a big deal, 5th time doing it, just farming crystals at this point

oblique karma Dec 17, 2018, 6:51 AM

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Dont farm too many or ur save file will explode

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Lol

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 6:51 AM

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lol

oblique karma Dec 17, 2018, 6:51 AM

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They're working on a fix for that tho

exotic hazel Dec 17, 2018, 6:53 AM

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O dam really?

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How many is too many?

forest marsh Dec 17, 2018, 6:54 AM

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I think the person who posted about it had something like 5k or 8k... Don't remember exactly

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Nevemind, looked it up and it was a bit under 12k total

gleaming quiver Dec 17, 2018, 7:11 AM

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Just did a Hydra kill with a Chop build, only with Chop upgrade, Attack Boon from Aphrodite Lv.2, and Artemis Dash Lv.2... The rest was some Charon's buffs with Bone Hourglass.
Pretty fun, even if quite simple

strange aurora Dec 17, 2018, 7:17 AM

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Hi everyone. I started the game yesterday and I am already stuck at Fury. I think I lack survivability because during the fight it is quickly hard to avoid Fury's attacks and her minions attacks (or maybe I'm too bad for this game...). Anyway, I saw a stat which give you health when you counterattack. Well. How do we counterattack in this game? Does it means I have to take a damage and attack (simple, special?) the opponent just after? Cause it never works at the moment :/. Secondly it's there a feature which allows you to begin the run after fury for example or do you always have to do all the bosses again like a portal system?

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 7:19 AM

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Sadly you have to start at the beginning every time

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And Meg's tough, yeah 😕 but with a bit of practice and luck you'll end up beating her!

warped raptor Dec 17, 2018, 7:23 AM

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A few pieces of advice about the meg

Just wait for her dash, beat her a few times and do that over and over again, is slow but works
In a meantime of disenganging you can throw a few attacks at the minions but keep your focus on dodging the dash
when she is blasting from above just focus on dodging. Use dash only if u really need. It is easily avoidable with just running.
when she goes in the middle to summon you can beat her up pretty easily without any counterattack
when she shoots projectiles in all directions just go really far away and wait for her to end while moving slightly to dodge

Meg is actually not that hard when you take the grasp of dodging her dash 😄

exotic hazel Dec 17, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Shield and / or deflect of any kind also makes her a lot easier

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 7:32 AM

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When she shoots projectiles just hold up the shield (or get far away and dodge)

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If you have an Athena or Aphrodite boon those help a lot; for Aphrodite in particular get Passion Dash which is an easy way to keep her too infatuated to hurt you

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:51 AM

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if you are using the spear

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you can spam attack to break the projectiles

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 8:03 AM

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So do i just have no use for keys and ambrosia now?

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 8:04 AM

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Correct.

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Eventually you'll also have no use for Darkness.

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If we wait about 30 days though, that'll all change 😛

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 8:04 AM

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Oh?

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 8:04 AM

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On the main menu there's the "Days Until Major Update" timer

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 8:05 AM

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Yeah, but we don't know what'll happen

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 8:05 AM

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yes we do, major content update

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 8:05 AM

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It's reasonable to assume that "Major Update" means New Content, given that the current Patches we've been receiving have already given us little additions on their own

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 8:06 AM

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No I get that, but we don;t know they'll add more stuff to the mirror

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 8:06 AM

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Whether it's a new Region, new Enemies, new Weapons, new Upgrades, or new Heart Levels, or even all of the above, we can't know the specifics, but it's very Safe to suppose that we will be able to progress in some way.

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 8:06 AM

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I'm sure we will

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 8:06 AM

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I was just kind of referring to Overall Progression as a whole.

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I think you latched onto my Darkness point specifically.

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Sorry T__T

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 8:06 AM

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"Eventually you'll also have no use for Darkness.
If we wait about 30 days though, that'll all change 😛"

This sounded like an assertion to me, which is why Ia sked yeah lol

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 AM

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But yeah, they might!

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 AM

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We can hope

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 AM

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I mean we've already gotten new Darkness Ranks in the mirror

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They're just rescaling, but still, visions of the future haha

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 8:08 AM

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I hope they bring this to switch and we get Zagreus in smash lol

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 8:08 AM

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hades for smash

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but it's hades from the disney hercules movie

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 8:10 AM

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Final Smash

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"And YOU, are WEARING, his MERCHANDIIIISE?!"

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GAME!

karmic zealot Dec 17, 2018, 8:12 AM

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I... I don't get it lol

granite jackal Dec 17, 2018, 8:14 AM

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https://youtu.be/MbBaOPq36l8

YouTube

KingdomHeartsFan3211

Hercules - You Are Wearing HIS MERCHANDISE!!!!

I've got 24 hours to get rid of this bozo...or the entire scheme I've been setting up for eighteen years goes up in smoke...and you...are wearing...HIS...M...

▶ Play video

gleaming quiver Dec 17, 2018, 8:36 AM

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I don't know how many people tried a Cast build, but it's quite fun. Quick Reload at the end drastically helped with Hydra, and with True Shot at Lv.5, my 4 Casts were enough to kill one head. I took Zeus Dash... because I didn't know what else to pick, but I think Athena might be better
https://i.imgur.com/96Jx6oZ.jpg

Imgur

fast gyro Dec 17, 2018, 8:48 AM

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question: what artifact/perk and weapon do you take to beat hydra?

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Change artifact after Meg is it worth?

proud storm Dec 17, 2018, 9:02 AM

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Keep meg's keepsake if you get hit a lot

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 9:09 AM

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wait

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mirror upgrades have icons??

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guess i got some digging to do tomorrow

tight bridge Dec 17, 2018, 9:12 AM

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i think death's defiance is the only one

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i haven't seen any of the other effects come up

strange aurora Dec 17, 2018, 9:40 AM

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Ty everyone for the tips about fury, basically the tactics you give is the pattern I have understand from my last try. Anyway, even if there is no portal available at the moment, shall they not be planned by super giant? What do you think?

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 9:51 AM

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Portals as in the ability to skip to later areas? Depends on how long the game turns out, if it's 6 areas or so of the same length as the current ones, I think not having them is okay

empty willow Dec 17, 2018, 10:01 AM

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any tips for going against hydra?

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was going well at the beginning until it spawns more heads

static field Dec 17, 2018, 10:02 AM

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I think there is a portal like effect waiting to eb put in. In teh beggining of any run. right after one picks up their first given loot, there is an open door frame that connectsto an undrawn bridge across the blood river below.

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i believe that to eventually be connected for quickpassageway into future acts

static field Dec 17, 2018, 10:22 AM

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grumpy doctor, hydra is an easy fight that anyone will be pick up after playing against it several times. If you were to play many times you would reach these conclusions i think (the following may not be 100% correct but i think approximately correc barring few microscopic details):
(a) hydra boss is split into 7 phases:
phase1: main hydra head. Attack patterns are slow shooting projectiles, stretch, and slam always slamming after the strech
phase 2: 2 mini hyrda heads. main hydra head with immunity.. Main hydra head retains the same attack pattern. mini hydra heads come in a few types. here are there attack patterns.
----type1: slammers and strechers.
----type2: bloodless spanwers.
----type3: lava spawners.
phase 3: Main hydra head. Enhanced attack patterns with slow projectiles replaced with fast ones.
phase 4: 3/4 miniheads, forgot the number atm. main hydra with immunity. Main hydra head retains the same attack pattern as in phase1. Mini hydras come from teh same pool listed earlier.
Phase 5: Main hydra head. SUper enhanced attack patterns with slow projectiles replaced with fast ones, and slam replaced wtih 2x slam (when she slams she slams again).
Phase 6: 5 miniheads...main hydra iwth immunity....
Phase7: Main hydra head. Super Duper Enhanced attack patterns wiht slow proj replaced with fast ones, and slam replaced with 3x slam.
fin.

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(b)Strategy to beat always:
Can dodge all projectiles behind unbdrekable terrain.
Can dash attack between all slow projectiles.
Can dodge all projectiles off fast projectiles by dahsing in and out of hydra on top of her face, at the top extremity of the map.
Can kill bloodless before they spawn. |
Can kill the mini hydra slammers by baiting there slam.
Can kill lava spawners to remove their lava aoe.
Can use charged attacks in between all attacks of all hydras.
Can take it slow. Playing around attack patterns.
Can kill mini hydras on the safe side of the map to prevent stretch and slam from main hydra. (hydras slam can leak through the unbrekable terrain so one should be careful when cramped there).
Can take advatnage of slow mo when hits connect.

I prioritixze on mini hydras the lava spanwers > slammers > blodless spanwer.
I run into main hydras face everytime.
When attacking, if not needing to dodge multiple times, I nearly always spam dash attack into either an attack and then a dash attack, or dash attack again.

strange aurora Dec 17, 2018, 10:24 AM

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Yeah the game deserves a great length, may be boring to travel always the same area at the beginning. Moreover, in hell, is there not 7 area type? Like elysean fields. Would hope some environments as describes by Dante

empty willow Dec 17, 2018, 10:27 AM

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@static field thanks mate

jade plover Dec 17, 2018, 10:57 AM

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@strange aurora thats more of the christian hell

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if i remember correctly theres 5 main areas in the greek underworld if you're counting Tartarus

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Tartarus, Fields of Punishment, Asphodel, Elysium and The Isles of the Blest

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but they seem to have merged tartarus and the fields of punishment bc Sisyphus would be in the fields

thin glacier Dec 17, 2018, 11:05 AM

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I hope we get more interaction with Charon.
Where he offers us a ride on one of the several rivers (Lethe, Cocytus, Acheron, Phlegethon and Styx) to a specific place

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 11:12 AM

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^I think Charon would be a more fitting way if they do want to introduce area skips

rich bay Dec 17, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Sharon, her name is Sharon now.

thin glacier Dec 17, 2018, 11:38 AM

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River Styx goes around the underworld about 7 times. Imagine we get 7 Charon stages, that play like the surfing Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Sewer stage

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Im sold man.

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 12:06 PM

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@turbid needle not all mirror upgrades have icons iirc, might even be best to not add them rn until they do

worthy dust Dec 17, 2018, 1:14 PM

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I don't think most of them need icons. Death denial makes sense to be have an icon so you can track it. The others are just passive buffs.

rough condor Dec 17, 2018, 1:18 PM

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going to get my hydrakills #88-100 in a few minutes. if you have any build wishes let me know 😃

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 1:22 PM

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you can track death defying, it just doesnt have an icon on the mirror menu

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:22 PM

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yes single dash artemis bow run

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:p

strange aurora Dec 17, 2018, 1:30 PM

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@jade plover yeah right, but from the summary I read, Dante mixed catholicism element with Greek elements. There is no real description of the hell like christians do not want to make a sort of apology of it. But ok, greek'hell doesn't need Dante descriptions indeed, it's self-sufficient

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 1:33 PM

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okay

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I really lucked out this time

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https://imgur.com/a/i4e5C8D

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indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:35 PM

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cnt fail with that build:)

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 1:36 PM

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ah death defiance has its icon, the lvl tells you the amount of trys left

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and the lvl decreases with each death

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:37 PM

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yes

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 1:37 PM

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First boon i got was 107% aphrodite attack

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thats when i knew

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:37 PM

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when i saw hunter dash i knew aswell:p

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and clean kill:)

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 1:39 PM

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i got hunter dash clean kill and aphrodite exactly one time :D
somehow clean kill does not pop up all that much

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 1:40 PM

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yeah because its a second rank boon

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Think about it

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It enhances critical strikes, so first you gotta be able to critical with something

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:40 PM

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tbh u dont need clean kill to win

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 1:41 PM

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but it sure is nice

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:41 PM

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ofc

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 1:41 PM

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i got it like one time

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Its the best damage modifier after %base damage boons

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 1:41 PM

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it was amazing, but then i started playing badly for no reason

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:41 PM

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i did a single dash run yesterday on my 7th run of my second save

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 PM

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Was that the crazy one with the triple shot?

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 PM

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yes

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triple shot is amazing:)

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 PM

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question: do different types of critical hits stack together? Like I can have crit on dash-strike and crit chance on attack

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:43 PM

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dont think so

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 1:43 PM

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do those just collapse into the one or multiply ontop of eachother?

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what about backstab

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:43 PM

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idealy u want crit dmg or just atk dmg

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quik temper does alot of dmg aswell

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 1:43 PM

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mhm

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:44 PM

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just dumped all my darkness in quik temper to have increased dmg :p arte dash on it and triple shot and ur golden:p

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 1:52 PM

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@grand oar What's the question, if you have Artemis dash and presumably 100% crit chance on attack does it double crit?

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 1:52 PM

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right

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or alternatively backstab (which works kinda like crit?), does that stack with crit.

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or dash

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 1:53 PM

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Backstab and Crit are two different mechanics

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so they stack

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Although I've never tried the hypothetical situation where you have both crit on dash and crit on attack, I doubt it would double crit

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:54 PM

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no dont think so

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it just takes ur dash as a 100 percent

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 1:54 PM

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I feel like there are a bunch of different ways to get crits

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maybe its actually fewer than i had in my head

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 1:55 PM

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Eh, crit is pretty simple

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It adds 100% base attack damage to your attack

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It has a chance of 0-100% of happening

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and Artemis dash makes it so for the 1st second after the dash there's a 100%

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I think that's how it works.

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 1:57 PM

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that was my impression also, except I also felt like there were more ways/types of crits

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that might get absorbed into one another

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 1:57 PM

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There are similar mechanics

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 1:57 PM

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maybe i just stressed that into my head 😛

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Fully upgraded Backstab adds 100% base damage to your attack too

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 1:58 PM

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mm

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also dash-hit, is a thing for that

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think it might just add basic damage though

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 1:58 PM

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and Quick Temper should (but actually doesnt work like that for some reason), adds 100% of your attack damage to your first left click after a dash

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 1:58 PM

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yeah well guess depends on what u do aswell if u have 2 crits , if u tend sometimes atk without dashing it can still be a good thing to have an extra boon

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and dash doesent work with cast either so

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 2:01 PM

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The damage calculation from what I've tested is a formula like this

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Base Damage = Base damage inherent for each weapon and attack on the weapon (Differences like spear stab and spin)

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So

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 2:03 PM

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improve base damage improve crit damage?

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 2:03 PM

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Damage = (Base Damage) + (Base Damage * +%Base Damage(Aphrodite/Poseidon/Athena))

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 2:03 PM

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yea

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Crit Damage = Damage * Crit Modifier (Base is 200% but Clean Kill raises it)

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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and crit goes ontop of that calculation

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Back Stab = Damage + Damage * Backstab Modifier (0-100%)

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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👌

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 2:05 PM

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Crit Backstab Damage = Damage * Crit Modifier + Damage * Backstab Modifier (0-100%)

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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right

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provided uve maxed backstab 😉

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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Mhm

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Quick Temper is weird

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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no wait

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ok

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so its not

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damage * crit mod * backstab mod

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i guess thatw ould be a bit op

full kelp Dec 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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Its additive not multiplicative, so alternatively:
Crit Backstab Damage = Damage * (Crit Mod + Backstab Mod)

grand oar Dec 17, 2018, 2:29 PM

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mm

proud storm Dec 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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just had two trial of the gods in a row where i had to choose between zeus and aphrodite

waxen sundial Dec 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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Ok... the lifesteal with the sword is OOOOp

proud storm Dec 17, 2018, 3:48 PM

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this should be fun https://i.imgur.com/1IBFJCd.jpg

Imgur

wintry fog Dec 17, 2018, 3:49 PM

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I usually like to upgrade old boons rather than taking new ones

proud storm Dec 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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update: this was fun

autumn yarrow Dec 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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but sometimes you get really bad boons

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so you really want to find new ones

winged timber Dec 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Just finished a run with "don't touch me build" 😄 https://i.imgur.com/xHNRf4d.png

Imgur

proud storm Dec 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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this is missing curse of vengeance

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https://gfycat.com/WelcomeDeliriousDog

Gfycat

Base Profile 2018.12.17 - 16.50.35.02

▶ Play video

proud storm Dec 17, 2018, 4:28 PM

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choices matter https://i.imgur.com/3JKmH2e.png

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wise spear Dec 17, 2018, 4:29 PM

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Such as it is when you have every other ability blessed

proud storm Dec 17, 2018, 4:29 PM

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once he just didnt have anything to give me so he just gave me pocket money

wise spear Dec 17, 2018, 4:29 PM

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"Buy yourself a nice promeganate"

proud storm Dec 17, 2018, 4:30 PM

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surprisingly only zeus has done that so far

dapper heart Dec 17, 2018, 4:30 PM

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I really hope that SGG decides to allow an easy mode where you can have an ability blessed by multiple gods.

wise spear Dec 17, 2018, 4:30 PM

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I've had Athena offer gold too

radiant compass Dec 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

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Athena has gold as just one of her blessings.

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I think they all offer gold if you get all of their other blessings. As a fallback.

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

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I've only seen that from Athena and Poseidon so far

radiant compass Dec 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

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Poseidon offers treasure too, yes.

proud storm Dec 17, 2018, 4:33 PM

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speaking of which https://i.imgur.com/l5pZ0kz.png

Imgur

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this only happens when a god doesnt have any boon to offer

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athena offers obols as part of one her boons so thats an exception

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Ahhh

wise spear Dec 17, 2018, 4:38 PM

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No, they can offer it if they have other boons to offer. I'm assuming as long as the number is less than three

proud storm Dec 17, 2018, 4:39 PM

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hm

radiant compass Dec 17, 2018, 4:41 PM

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225 obol it a LOT.

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 4:41 PM

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~~almost half the cost of a wall scroll~~

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

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@errant narwhal yeah I’m just gonna leave it for now it’ll look weird with just one icon

autumn yarrow Dec 17, 2018, 5:35 PM

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I don't think athena is the only one? also poseidon offers darkness, obols and hp package right?

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

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he does

neon arrow Dec 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

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Hi guys, quick question, is the skull earring damage bonus multiplicative or additive to boon % dmg bonus?

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

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x 1.4

autumn yarrow Dec 17, 2018, 5:38 PM

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I think multiplicative

neon arrow Dec 17, 2018, 5:38 PM

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Cool thx

torn blaze Dec 17, 2018, 5:49 PM

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I feel like I would always want to have the "I have nothing else to offer you" upgrade always be an option, in case I really don't want a boon to take up a slot?

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aka I really don't like _____ God's modifiers, I'd rather just get the gold

neon arrow Dec 17, 2018, 6:27 PM

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I think the idea is to force you to take some bad boons once every while. Rogue like is about randomness. You can’t get perfect builds every run

steady wing Dec 17, 2018, 6:34 PM

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its not so much about randomness as it is to provide you with many meaningful choice. The end result should be that you can go real far, or win most runs once you get your build right and knows the game well. And if you do then it means that the random element is well done

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I do believe it is the case here. Now that my mirror is mostly maxed (everything besides the last two ones) I rarely do not get to the hydra on every run

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and I am by no mean a great player lol

autumn yarrow Dec 17, 2018, 6:35 PM

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psure you can get very far in any rogue like with their mirror equivalent almost maxed tho

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being good is doing that off like the first 10 runs

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but I woulnd't doubt how much you've learned playing enough to get mirror maxed will make you more knowledgable on the monster spawns and attack patterns etc

wicked hearth Dec 17, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Just completed my first Hydra run, really surprised at how good the synergy between the Stygius's (sword)Daedaelus Hammer Healing buff and the Ares Attack bonus damage blessing is, basically turned me into a berserker

worn fulcrum Dec 17, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Lots of roguelikes don't have a mirror equivalent

wicked hearth Dec 17, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Is it supposed to be able to proc the heal off the Ares damage proc as well or is that a bug

steady wing Dec 17, 2018, 6:42 PM

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yeah I really love the mirror, and the fact that early you can respec without any downside to fit with your weapon. I'd go so far as to say that I wish we wouldn't be able to max on each of the traits. I loved having to switch things around depending on the weapon I was using

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now that I'm mostly maxed these boosts are mostly now irrelevant strategically speaking

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it was providing meaningful choices while "leveling" though

neon arrow Dec 17, 2018, 6:43 PM

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The Ares curse can trigger blood drinker healing?

plush blaze Dec 17, 2018, 6:48 PM

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yea

neon arrow Dec 17, 2018, 6:50 PM

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How does it work? If you strike twice then let the curse fall it procs as it’s the third attack ?

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Or it always procs

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 6:58 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/Jb1Ru97

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unkempt spruce Dec 17, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Makes me wonder how many more areas they will add to the game, and how you will continue to scale your boons.

Already you can get enough "Pick between 2" and max out 1 or 2 boons with only the Hyrdra battle. Are they going to become more sparse or are other more hammer style upgrades going to come I wonder.

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 6:58 PM

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what could be really cool is if you could combine boons

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like getting both knockback and weak on your attack

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 7:01 PM

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theres still a large amount of the pantheon they havent released

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hepheastus, herculese, hermes, apollo, hestia, hera, demeter, dionysus

plush blaze Dec 17, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Dionysus is in the game files

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Hercules isn't part of the original pantheon

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"DemeterProjectile" is also in the game files but that's the only mention

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 7:04 PM

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that wouldn't change that you can max your boons after Hydra because currently you can still only have 1 attack, 1 special, 1 dah and 1 cast and most of the other boons are upgrades to those effects

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 7:05 PM

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well theres a wide array of secondary bonus effects

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but yea i think combining would be fun

plush blaze Dec 17, 2018, 7:05 PM

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There are symbols for apollo in the game files as well as "ApolloBeam"

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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like Poseidon and Zeus

plush blaze Dec 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Oh yeah also hepheastus's hammer seems to be a weapon not in the game yet

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Like a player weapon

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There's also something called "ThanatosWeapon2" in playerweapons

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 7:09 PM

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well i got plenty of keys to unlock it whenever 🙄

plush blaze Dec 17, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Oh yeah and "HookWeapon"

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ThanatosWeapon seems to be an effect like the god's boons, since those are also in the file, like zeus dash etc

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HookWeapon is with the other player weapons like the sword etc

rugged horizon Dec 17, 2018, 7:12 PM

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damnit gods pride is limited to 25%

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 7:18 PM

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I wonder how Dionysus will work. How will they translate revelry and wine into a game effect?

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Slow or friendly fire?

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because you make them drunk

low rose Dec 17, 2018, 7:20 PM

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could anyone help remember if the sword special improvement where it slides towards the enemy is a daedalus hammer effect or smth else?

worn fulcrum Dec 17, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Not necessarily every diety has to fit the same mold the current ones do

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Daedalus

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Sudden sunder iirc

low rose Dec 17, 2018, 7:21 PM

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ty!! i found it weird that it gets mapped to the direction ur facing instead of the cursor??

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 7:22 PM

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Does the setting for dash towards cursor change it to do that maybe?

low rose Dec 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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it could, i havent tried

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only realised thats an option after that run tbh

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Oh i see! That’s possibly why then

low rose Dec 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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seeing as its an attack it makes sense to have it mapped to the cursor if u have attack as cursor chosen tho?

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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I’m curious to know, I never take that upgrade

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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eh

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Ur right

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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I much prefer dash at direction

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Maybe send it as feedback?

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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over dash at cursor

plush blaze Dec 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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@turbid needle There's references to "Slow" and "WinePuddle" in context of dionysus's effects

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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This isn’t about the dash tho it’s about sudden sunder

low rose Dec 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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me too sliver

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Ah.

plush blaze Dec 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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So slow on hit, and/or create a puddle which slows people

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Cast is probably create puddle

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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That makes sense.

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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ah right context

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mbmb

plush blaze Dec 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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:/

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Wow my page jumped like 10 lines down at once, my internet dropped for a sec

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thought my posts got deleted or something lol

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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btw could you guys please avoid talking about datamined content not yet in the game in the server? For people who don’t want to be spoiled on that?

plush blaze Dec 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Got it. I'll DM people if they directly ask

errant narwhal Dec 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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👌 thank you

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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I'd appreciate a DM with whatever info there is if you can spare the time.

plush blaze Dec 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Yeah sure, about to have dinner but I'll msg you afterwards

turbid needle Dec 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Thanks

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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feels so weird not having hunter's dash

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okay I played my first game with life drinker

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this upgrade is stupid

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I literally facetanked meg

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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So I just beat Meg for the first time and got through a couple rooms in Ashphodel before I died and talked to her in the house

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Do i have to fight her every time I play through?

low rose Dec 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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yuuup

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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or is it a singular boss fight?

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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I haven't gotten life drinker yet

low rose Dec 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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everytime alja

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Every time

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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okay

worldly warren Dec 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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And you can't chat with her except immediately after beating her

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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it took me so long to beat her the first time

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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yeah she gets really easy once you start understanding the game

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for the most part she lets you know what she's about to do far in advance

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 7:41 PM

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yeah I started recognizing a few of her patterns

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:41 PM

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yeah its the same every fight, health tied it seems

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:41 PM

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I feel like lifedrinker should either be health x per thrust use on enemy

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and not be on a per enemy basis

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 7:41 PM

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okay well thank you

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guess I'm off to fight her again lol

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:41 PM

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yep, goodluck on the hydra

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 7:42 PM

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yeah I keep hearing about that.....

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:42 PM

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took me 15 times before finally getting it, imo he has very little animations for late fight

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 7:42 PM

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yeah

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I'll be lucky if i ever get to that boss

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:43 PM

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just use the spear, I think it's by far the best weapon, best chance to finish the game.

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:43 PM

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bow

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Although if you get lucky with the bow upgrades you can outdamage the spear

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spear is more consistent

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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okay I'll keep that in mind!

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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bow only needs 3 upgrades

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1 hammer

knotty delta Dec 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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I've been using the bow/shield mostly

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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hammers are more rare than you would think

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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artemis dash and base damage

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I get one per run usually

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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I had entire runs without one

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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if I make it all the way to hydra

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:45 PM

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finally beat it when I got the heirloom that gives 140% damage on low health

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forgets who gives it but its amazingly good

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:46 PM

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meg?

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i think

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:46 PM

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yeah maybe

pastel jolt Dec 17, 2018, 7:46 PM

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yeah

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:46 PM

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but you can use a god heirloom for act I to get the boon you want for your build then switch over for act II once it starts being needed

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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i allways use the artemis keepsake or aphro

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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yeah aphro is good

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I think ares DoT on spear is really good

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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for bow i need artemis right away

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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yeah I use spear usually

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I had a crit build on the bow that was kind of fun but I'm better with the spear

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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been doing a new save so i only played with bow

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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the sword and the shield feel pretty bad compared to the bow and spear though I have to say

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:49 PM

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7/13 runs completed

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:49 PM

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yeah the bow triple shot needs nerfing

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maybe a damage split 60-80% per arrow or reduce it to double shot I dunno

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:49 PM

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yeah with triple shot even single dash run was pretty easy apart fro mthe boat

dire crystal Dec 17, 2018, 7:49 PM

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Just make each shot only do 80% damage and itll be fine

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:49 PM

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there's no risk to taking it right now since the center shot is the same

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:50 PM

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with some quik temper and artemis dash u can do tartarus so easy u one shot everything

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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yeah the crit dash is super good on the bow

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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only like the big guys they take 2 charge shots

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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yeah

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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and meg is down so fast i dont even fight adds anymore

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:52 PM

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the bow is just so easy that it's not that fun to do runs with it though

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the spear at least has multiple viable builds and requires some thought

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:52 PM

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idk it was fun to complete the single dash run

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dident think i would actually do it tbh

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:52 PM

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it just gets old to win using op stuff over and over, fun the first time, not so much after

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:53 PM

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idk after so much lost runs i kinda like it:p

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:54 PM

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fair enough

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:54 PM

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allmost makes me wanna try and goe faster each time

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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what bothers me about the crit dash bow build is not so much that it's op and more that you end up not using any other abilities then dashing and the charge shot

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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so I ended up getting my first sword clear

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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the special of the bow is already not that strong so at best you use your cast for knockback or aoe

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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I don't feel accomplished at all

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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yeah but the special isent great so i dont see myself using it:p

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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and even that isn't necessary that much

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yeah and I think that's boring

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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I don't use the special for most weapons

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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same

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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the issue with the bow really lies in the triple shot level of power

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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with every other weapon you have at least 2 useful attacks like the normal attack and the spin for the spear

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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not only triple shot tho

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perfect shot is also insane

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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you can blow 3 crits into someone at point blank with just a hammer and crit dash

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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I didn't get triple shot on my crit dash run and it was still insane

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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I was using crit dash with the no charge time

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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same but triple shot is what pushes it to the next level

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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melted hydra

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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yeah was had a 400 crit on hydra head x3

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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the problem is bow base damage is ridiculously high

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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has to be though

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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compared to other weapons

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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with backstab

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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you can't stun lock enemies and the dps is comparable

worn fulcrum Dec 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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part of the problem is that the bow uses wuick temper the best by far, and quick temper is broken right now

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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so I guess the best solution to triple shot

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is to make it weaker than a 1 shot bow upgrade

worn fulcrum Dec 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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you can stunlock if you power shot every time, also

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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triple shot needs to have a drawback to the main shot

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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so like 60-80% per arrow

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so its total is 180

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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yeah I agree

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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or 240

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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I think 70-75% is the best

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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balance it around the other bow hammer upgrades

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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i also think the other weapons may be a little more up to par with the bow

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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how much did the one shot upgrade give 250?

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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witch one?

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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the one that wasn't perfect shot

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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theres point blank

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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ah its point blank and the distance one

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right

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 8:00 PM

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sniper shot thats extra dmg at range

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thats the worst one imo

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 8:00 PM

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so all three shots should do less than that

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since you don't need to change your playstyle

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to get the damage

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:00 PM

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So I took Artemis' crit on special boon and upgraded it some. At one point it allowed me to upgrade to 120% chance to crit. Do y'all know if this would anything or is it just a waste?

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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you would super duper crit

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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there are double crits in this game?

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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nah that sounds like it wouldn't do anything

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Alright. I'll give them the feedback then.

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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I don't see why people would get crit on an attack

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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I can't think of any current -crit % debuffs right now but maybe in the future

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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theres multiple ones

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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it seems like crit dash is much better

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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u have dash thats 100 percent after dash

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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It was crit on Special. Just wanted to try it.

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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u have crit chance for everything

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and special

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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well crit chance on attack, makes it so that you can't get base damage

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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and crits do even more dmg

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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the only reason I could see it being in the game is if in future acts enemies debuff more like during Aphrodite's god trial

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so if they gave you -20% crit chance you'd still have 100%

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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so u would want crit dash with extra crit dmg and aphro atk for bow to get insane dmg

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add sweet surrender and a legendary for good measure:p

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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he's not talking about crit damage he's talking about crit chance over 100%

hollow minnow Dec 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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I just reached my ONE HUNDREDTH escape attempt!

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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shadeembarassed

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:06 PM

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Congratz. Just did that myself last night. I can't stop...

hollow minnow Dec 17, 2018, 8:06 PM

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....and still have only beat Megara 3 times. Third was last night, and I IMMEDIATELY died after going into Asphodel. Nooooo!!!!!!!!😡

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nice!!!

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I know, me neither...!

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 8:06 PM

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I'd rather have double crits assuming the new areas are going to get harder

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:06 PM

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I had exactly 50 hydra kills on my 100th run. You'll get there.

hollow minnow Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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any advice on how to avoid Megara with the bulllet hell part, though?!!?!

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oh my GAWD.

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You did?!!?!?

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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You can attack it.

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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yeah kill the bullets

hollow minnow Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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attack the bullets?!

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😮

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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double crits would be an incentive to get crits over crit dasdh

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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or deflect them if you have the ability

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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The shield will block it too.

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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or crit dash + crits

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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but then you are using the shield

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squirtheh

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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getting to 160% crit chance and dealing triple damage sounds way more satisfying then getting extra chance in case you get debuffed sometimes

hollow minnow Dec 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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Should we reccomend they add a block ability with the shield?? Max 3 or 2 seconds otherwise everything would be too easy, but I can't help thinking a shield should be used for, you know, defense.

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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I'd rather double crits happen when 2 crit boons proc at the same time rather than having over 100% chance. Seems more logical

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isn't bull rush supposed to block during charge?

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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You can hold the charge and not take damage .

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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zeus reflect + shield block

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is hilariously stupid

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take no damage

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hit the enemy for 50ish damage every hit

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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As long as it hits the shield. No deflect on default though.

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Oh yeah

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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I killed hydra with that combo

hollow minnow Dec 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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oh i didn't know that!

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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It also blocks those pesky hydra bullets.

hollow minnow Dec 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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I'm going to try to reach Meg with the bow.

tropic wave Dec 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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yeah those are super annoying

hollow minnow Dec 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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oh cool!!!!!!

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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also for meg just run away

hollow minnow Dec 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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lol. Tried that, yup. 😛

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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the bullet hell isn't hard to dodge if you're far enough away from her

sullen tree Dec 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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are there any special builds that are viable?

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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Your bow special can also kill her bullets if you have trouble dodging.

hollow minnow Dec 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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ohhh cool!

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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sword special can be fun idk about viable

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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if ur far away enough or the animation is too long and u take dmg

hollow minnow Dec 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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Doesn't the bow special seem kinda weak though?? Shouldn't it do more damage? Anyone else think so?

jovial zenith Dec 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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I like crit dash spear. You can charge the spear attack and dash with it.

indigo compass Dec 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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yeah bow special doesent get used often i think

granite sentinel Dec 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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and I had poseidon and my bow special once today and it was fun

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knock half the room into a wall at once