yeah its nice
#h1-builds-and-combat
tranquil steeple
Ares dash is my fave
indigo compass
ares dash is nice for meelee i think
sullen tree
I'm a fan of zeus dash myself
sullen tree
what boons are good in Aphrodite
turbid needle
all of them
sullen tree
really?
indigo compass
allmost all of em:p
sullen tree
weak is just damage reduction right?
indigo compass
yeah
turbid needle
It causes them to take increased damage
indigo compass
pretty usefull:p
nope only with sweet surrender
the 1t tier makes enemies do less dmg and u do more dmg
sullen tree
I guess I just find it awkward to use
sullen tree
my boons with her is always on a bad slot for it
wintry moon
oof
sullen tree
like bow attack instead of special
sullen tree
I don't like the bow
indigo compass
wait till u see the artemis crit dmg:p
wintry moon
I haven't used the bow post-patch
sullen tree
I beat hydra the first time yesterday
indigo compass
it makes life alot easyer
sullen tree
by blocking with the shield
and zeus reflect damage
those projectiles can't be deflected right
indigo compass
nope
sullen tree
so you just have to stand behind the rocks
indigo compass
and dodge yes
sullen tree
ugh
and the fact that they stagger
if you get caught out once it feels like you get stun locked
indigo compass
yeah if it comes in a straight line on to u ur half dead:p
i tink at this point the boat is the hardest part of the game
indigo compass
was a nightmare with one dash lol
sullen tree
but maybe that's cause I didn't have the fight learned
drifting shale
Hi Guys. Completed almost 2 boss with the sword and special attack
It's beautiful
sullen tree
hunters dash on the bow :/
no way in hell I can get 2 attacks off in 1 second
lmao
kind fiber
Does anyone know if entering a bloodgate counts as a chamber in of itself?
@sullen tree Well if you upgrade it using a fruit, you up the duration to 2 seconds
dire crystal
yeah the more you upgrade the more you get
hunter dash on bow is fine if you only get one attack off, just dash and attack over and over and its a free 2x damage up
sullen tree
ya I just went with artemis cast
kind fiber
Its amazing on the bow
autumn yarrow
chances are you are still going to dash
indigo compass
u only need one shot per dash
dire crystal
I once upgraded the dash buff enough that i could charge up a whole spear swing every time and just destroy it
indigo compass
if u got triple shot u can land all shots on hydra at once
kind fiber
@dire crystal You don't need to do that. You can dash during a charge and get the bonus that way
dire crystal
it wasn't working for me
so i would upgrade and dash first before charging and then dash into another charge shot ect
just dash cancelling a spear charge wasn't critting
shrug
indigo compass
i just do mostly one dash then shoot the whole time:p
dire crystal
also yeah triple shot is incredible
indigo compass
unless i need to get out of the way
btwif u get another art boon see if u get extra dmg on crit
indigo compass
makes triple shot even more op:p
sullen tree
is it me or does bull rush dash do weird things
kind fiber
Does anyone know if the blood gate counts as a chamber?
ocean halo
kind fiber
Yeah, i was asking cuz you get the mirror health for entering and leaving one so that is at least one metric that is considered a room
Eh, I'm not sure if bloodgates are worth anything
They reduce your options on your next chamber down to 1, from 2 or 3
regal valve
Bloodgates give ya free loot. That's worth stuff.
worthy dust
"free" 😉
kind fiber
Ehh, no freer than any other room at the cost of health
sullen tree
spear dash attack seems very inconsistent
south comet
what part of it seems inconsistent? i haven't used it too much yet and didn't notice much
the hitbox?
kind fiber
Does it apply to the spear's charge?
oblique karma
blood gates are value in the early game cause if you have the maxed healing upgrade you basically recover your health
sullen tree
I feel like the game thinks I'm doing a normal spear attack
as opposed to the dash one
kind fiber
@oblique karma Sure, but you only get darkness/money at the cost of reduced options at the next chamber, and that might cost you a daedalus hammer or a god boon
sullen tree
but it seems like the timing for when its a dash attack and when its not isn't consistent
oblique karma
thats true
kind fiber
If you are going for darkness or money over the other, its even worse because you have a 50/50 chance of not getting what you were looking for
turbid needle
did someone notice that quick temper actually triples the dmg?
turbid needle
ye i tested it, 50% doubles the dmg and 100% actually triples it
sullen tree
ya all buffs are additive in this game
well not all
I think crits are multiplicative
turbid needle
@sullen tree (spear dash attack works just fine for me)
sullen tree
idk I can't consistently get 45 damage
sometimes I hit base damage
and sometime I hit quick tempter damage
full kelp
quick temper applies to the first left click after a dash
not the first attack
you cant mix it with spear spin
sullen tree
that's my point
full kelp
because technically its not a left click
sullen tree
I'm trying to get the dash attack
but the game registers it as dash then attack
but sometimes it counts as dash attack
and I'm not timing it much different
full kelp
are you backstabbing?
marsh barn
the spear is hard because you have to immediately click after a dash
full kelp
try and get rid of all upgrades and test it out
marsh barn
i have a hard time myself
full kelp
that doesnt proc quick temper for me
it procs artemis crits
but not quick temper
because artemis dash makes the first attack after the dash crit, so it goes dash>spin attack
sullen tree
okay I think its when the game lags a bit
sometimes it doesn't register as a dashattack
or the timing window is very unforgiving
proud storm
beat hydrz with whats probably the least amount of boons possible https://i.imgur.com/pBuZ0m4.png
full kelp
nice curse
jade notch
@sullen tree for ur charged attack to register as a dash attack, u have to interupt your charge with ur dash
instead of releasing, and then dashing
and futhermore, it will only count attacks as dash attacks, if u only dash once
full kelp
It doesn't really work exactly like that because the game has different mechanics for different dash attacks
Quick Temper doesn't work on spear spin because it only registers on the first left click after a dash, and since the dash attack on spear just interrupts the channel it doesn't work, unlike the bow, where after a dash you can pull off Quick Temper.
On the other hand, Artemis dash registers for the first attack after a dash, which is why it does works on everything.
At least from what I've tried out.
worthy dust
Back to back Hydra kills. This time looking like this: https://imgur.com/a/BuBK4NQ
tranquil steeple
Gotta love finishing with lvl4 death defiance
worthy dust
Feels good.
I had level 5, but foolishly lost one to the final phase.
This is easily one of my most powerful-feeling builds
tranquil steeple
Ares + Aphrodite are a powerful combo I've found
worthy dust
Yeah it's not too bad at all.
I used to dread Trial of the Gods rooms, but now I revel in them.
kind fiber
@tranquil steeple What do you combine between those two?
grand oar
bam - finished the early access content thus far - killed the Hydra on my first attempt
think I found a build thats kinda OP
tranquil steeple
Preferred would be Ares dash, cast and revenge, Aphrodite attack and special.
worthy dust
Dang... grats Anton.
My mirror is max'd now except the final two. Time to start saving up for a wall scroll.
tranquil steeple
Though, my first Hydra kill was Aphrodite dash and Ares attack. With the bonus of weak enemies take more damage.
worthy dust
Mine was an Ares Dash, Poseidon Attack, Cast then buffs to their respective abnilities.
I barely got out of that one though. 4 hp left.
plush radish
Does the standard Dash/Dodge not have I-frames?
kind fiber
@plush radish It didn't use to but they added some with the newest patch I believe
plucky oxide
So... are cast-dependent builds a thing? Is that viable? Has anyone here found success with that?
worn fulcrum
They work fine, mostly with Artemis's assortment of cast boons
Plus, a bunch of the others are good at clearing large rooms, even if they struggle against bosses
plucky oxide
Zeus' bounce cast helped make it a bit more viable than its base form. I'm sure there are plenty others as well. But boss' are my biggest struggle with finding 'consistent' success with cast runs.
turbid needle
ah i found out how the dmg is calculated (double-checked)
(base dmg) + quick temper + backstab + crit
-> quick temper, backstab and crit is calculated with your base dmg
-> your base dmg is your weapon attack dmg (if you charge and thus deal increased dmg [i.e. with the spear spin] the increased dmg counts as your base dmg)
-> the base dmg can only be increased through boons (but quick temper backstab and crit are indirectly scaling off your boons)
cast is pretty neat for the quick snipe :D
the zeus and especially the artermis cast are pretty good (killed the hydra with an artermis cast build)
kind fiber
@turbid needle Quick temper doesn't work with charged abilities
plucky oxide
I'll keep trying till I find success. This and wall-slam shield builds are giving me trouble.
turbid needle
ye i know :D
i just formulated a general approach
kind fiber
I dunno
It seems like almost everything in the game is multiplicative so what you wrote there doesn't really help
turbid needle
nah i can predict the dmg values consistently, so there must be some truth to it
it even makes sense with your shield backstab-quick temper problem
80 dmg makes sense: 20(base) + 40(quick temper, this is too much) + 20(backstab)
kind fiber
So a bow would do 40 +80 +40?
turbid needle
but i still need to try the ares dmg buff, but i suspect that it only scales your base dmg and the rest scales off that
kind fiber
160 damage?
oblique karma
quick temper works with power shot
oblique karma
the thing with quick temper is that its basically a very small window of when you get to press the button so if you miss it then
yeah
kind fiber
So, a dash charge from the front does 100, a backstab charge does 80, and a backstab charge dash does 120
turbid needle
ok i got 140 dmg (good to know how to abuse the bow even more, thanks for that :D)
oblique karma
with sword?
kind fiber
yeah 140
turbid needle
ye i cant get a consistent value
full kelp
power shot on bow base damage is 40
quick temper adds 150% damage
so 40 + (40*1.5) = 100
and backstab adds another 100% base damage
so 40 + 40*1.5 + 40 = 140
kind fiber
quick temper adds 200% damage in the case of the shield, not 150%
turbid needle
So does the crit multiplier apply before or after other damage increases?
ah no quick temper uses 30 dmg from the bow
not 40 from the power schot
full kelp
i can reliably score 140 on a backstab on a bow with quick temper
turbid needle
i just used 50% on quick temper and i got a backstab value of 110
full kelp
quick temper doesnt really work like it shows you
its messed up
i mean the percentages are messed up
full kelp
no
turbid needle
so 100% on quick temper adds 60 dmg and we know that QT adds twice the base dmg
thus QT only uses 30dmg from the bow
kind fiber
it says 100 but actually does 200
full kelp
its messed up a bit*
kind fiber
So the power shot adds 10 damage that scales with backstab but not quick temper
turbid needle
QT does, its a bug
full kelp
Power shot bow 40 damage
full kelp
Power shot with 100% qt = 100 damage
sullen tree
if you get lucky with artemis
kind fiber
@full kelp Do the calculation with a non bow
sullen tree
you can get like 6 casts of ares cast
which melts bosses
even better if you get tracking
turbid needle
ye ok, the bow is weird with its QT
full kelp
thats exactly the point
sullen tree
you might also crash your computer though
full kelp
its messed up with percentages
turbid needle
no it just uses 30 (not the power shot value)
full kelp
oh thats dumb
kind fiber
Non powershot backstab dash does 120 damage
turbid needle
yeah, backstab scales up with the powershot, but not the quick temper
and quick temper scales down, if the bow is not fully charged
maybe they forgot to include the powershot feature into QT
ill report it as a bug 😄
proud storm
squints eyes https://i.imgur.com/9IrebQZ.png
dire crystal
what are we squinting at
oblique karma
squinting at the squint
turbid needle
ah the bow doesnt scale with QT (checked)
QT always uses 30 (neither less, nor more through power shot)
granite sentinel
hello everyone, I'm only here because I want to ask if there is any use for ambrosia after you've collected all the keepsakes. Because I haven't found one and there is nothing I could find online yet and it's bugging me to no end
indigo compass
u can get more hearts with them if u keep giving
and the dialogue opens up codex entrys
granite sentinel
ok, so no gameplay perks? I've been holding on to them cause I was worried they'd unlock more stuff later
indigo compass
no just lore basicaly , unless that changes in the future but i dont think
kind fiber
@granite sentinel well, there will probably be more stuff later. Complete character dialogue, maybe a few keep sakes or gameplay benefits
But for now, nothing
indigo compass
could be mainly for more special dialogue tbh
like orpheus starts singing if u max his currtent hearts
so it basically also unlocks songs
if theres more to be had:p
granite sentinel
thanks for the answers, good to know. I wasn't sure if I was just throwing them away or if they had any effect when I gave them to people
proud storm
steal your dad's money https://i.imgur.com/Ky0cNZI.png
note: this is without hypnos' keepsake
plucky oxide
It'll find its way back to him eventually
kind fiber
You'd probably make more money with charon's keepsake than hypno's anyways
worthy dust
That's serious cash
plucky oxide
Or Charon, the saint
kind fiber
Why does Charon own a shop anyways?
He gets everyone's money when they die
And he gets zag's money regardless of whether or not he spends it at the shop
It would make sense if he was getting money from people who stayed dead
proud storm
"why do people keep asking if the horse is okay?" cause of death: stampeding
full kelp
He might just enjoy it
fluid moat
someone who collects tons of money might just enjoy collecting money
granite sentinel
he gets the money slightly faster
wintry moon
and some contraband too
kind fiber
well he has his own supply of it anyways since he sells it to you as well
Ambrosia that is
rain axle
so just discovered a cheese mode for shield
kind fiber
I wonder why ambrosia is contraband, also why meg is the only one who cares about it being contraband
rain axle
get zeus's retailiation and use your charge attack it will deflect hits and the zeus buff will retaliate
kind fiber
cool
wintry moon
ambrosia is nectar of the heavens
rain axle
just did hyrda taking no hits at all
wintry moon
put 2 and 2 together
kind fiber
I'd just as soon use the lifesteal variation of the sword and tank every hit from the hydra while healing up
rain axle
this is faster because lvl 1 epic buff is 190 damage
kind fiber
Sure, but you can also gift it to Hades and he doesn't talk about it being contraband, only gives Zag snark for even attempting to gift him something
rain axle
you can block all those bolts that hydra fires and his melee attacks
is it just me or is Zeus Teir 1 now?
I seem to be taking him ore often than any other god now
kind fiber
Is he tier 1?
His attack is terrible, his special is terrible, but his cast and dash are okay
rain axle
his attack is amazing wth you talking about?
you can easly wipe a whole room with attack
kind fiber
Its terrible. It doesn't scale with backstab damage, dash damage, or weapon buff damage
rain axle
it actually does scale similar to the % buffs from other gods
kind fiber
So it stuck doing around 20-40 damage per attack whereas aphrodite's attack scales with everything and does massively more
Okay? but it doesn't scale with any of the 3 i mentioned
rain axle
aphro giving 100% at level 1 while zues gives 25.....that is more scaling than aphro at level 1 and an aoe
kind fiber
Twicky, do you understand what i'm telling you?
worthy dust
Easy
kind fiber
Aphro's scales with backstab damage, dash damage and weapon buff damage
rain axle
100% of 15 damage is 30......15 base + 25 is 40.......does aphro aoe? no it doesn't
kind fiber
That 15 damage, will do 60+ damage with scaling
Plus it gets involved with crits
so 120+
Zeus is terrible
rain axle
well good luck I"m at a 90% clear rate with any weapon that isn't a bow with zuesw
kind fiber
Okay, good for you
fiery iron
People who play this game be so thick headed lol, yeah zeus has been tier 1 since it's been released
kind fiber
What?
fiery iron
I've stopped starting his boon cause it's too easy
kind fiber
I've been doing so much experimentation because I've wanted to know as much as possible about every boon
rain axle
posideon still trash tier 😦
worn fulcrum
Zeus does let's say +25, so that's spear from 15 -> 40 while Aphrodite might be 15 -> 25
kind fiber
Yeah.... I wonder how they'd buff him
worthy dust
Poseidons problem is boss damage. I actually like him a lot.
fiery iron
If the third area has actual walls he'll be a bit better
It's more just fun to see enemies fly around
rain axle
yeah I agree he is useless at boss time
worn fulcrum
But with backstabbing and dash boosts, it's from 45 -> 75 vs 45 -> 70
full kelp
Poseidon should honestly just get a buff to his base attack damage boon
proud storm
time to walk into some lava https://i.imgur.com/KolCT6K.png
worthy dust
Oh baby
kind fiber
@worn fulcrum Or, you could charge spear dash and deal 200 damage + 200 backstab damage
with aphro
rain axle
or you could just stay safe and aoe everything with attack and not worry about backstab damage or charging spear
full kelp
https://imgur.com/a/k5mWw8N spear op
rain axle
and omg if you get zues legendary it is beast mode
full kelp
Spear has the charge size/channel reduce upgrades for the spin which are amazing
kind fiber
Aphro's buff is easy beast mode every game
worthy dust
@full kelp I can't get behind Artemis. Do you have any tips for enjoying her buffs?
kind fiber
@worthy dust Get her dash and get a good attack boon. Shes amazing as a support god
fiery iron
use spear or bow, you can charge then dash to proc hunters dash
full kelp
because of the weapons' high burst
rain axle
I used to like weakness now I find it not worth it hell I skip max hp buffs most of the time
just don't get hit and you won't need weakness
kind fiber
Well, you don't pick aphro for weakness
worthy dust
Thanks Alf I'll check it out.
full kelp
Just pick up her Dash, and any +%base damage boon (Aphro>Athena>Poseidon)
kind fiber
you pick aphro because she has the highest damage scaling
rain axle
isn't althena's higher? but deflect is meh...
kind fiber
It isn't
rain axle
I'm not talking about sweet surrender
full kelp
Athena is 40%, Aphro 50% and Poseidon 30%
rain axle
That got nerfed so hard that ares's attack and special % is better overall
full kelp
The base ones
kind fiber
Ares doesn't have any scaling
Ares is best for clearing lower hp enemies over higher ones
full kelp
Ares is just really good if you can get upgrades to his blades
kind fiber
Thats not what I meant
full kelp
Like the homing one
kind fiber
I meant his delayed damage mechanic doesn't scale with the primary damage increases
With exception to % damage to armored
sry
not crit
full kelp
Oh yeah, thats why i dont feel he synergizes as well with spear and bow
rain axle
yes I know but if you are already picking something for attack and dash you are likely to get the attack and special % which is better than aphro because it doesn't require weakness and is slightly lower %
full kelp
because they synergize much better with %baseattk
kind fiber
I'm not even mentioning sweet surrender
Sweet surrender is a cherry on top, not a requirement
rain axle
so anyone else notice the hammer buff for spear isn't working right the increased range and 130% damage?
full kelp
I haven't tried it yet...
full kelp
by*?
worthy dust
That sounds like it's working right?
rain axle
130% would be 35 damage not 20
kind fiber
Eh?
I think you are mistaken
It increases it to 130 not by 130
so 15*1.3 is approx 20
worthy dust
Spear does 15 per stab right? And you do 130% dmg to far enemies, so yeah 20
rain axle
ah terrible wording I guess
worthy dust
I don't think it's the wording.
fiery iron
130% =/= +130%, it s worded right
rain axle
everything else in the game that is a % increase is not worded that way
worthy dust
Well now I have to get off my couch and look.
kind fiber
I'm not 100% sure about the wording of other things in the game, but other % increases in the game work the exact same way
of increasing to a % rather than by a %
full kelp
Unless its +%
worthy dust
kind fiber
Well I'm just mentioning that there are other things that work like that, not that there are only things that work like that
rain axle
It is kind of dumb to have the damage increase be 30% but word it as 130% where everything else in the game is not worded that way
worthy dust
Maths.
wintry moon
probably an oversight
daring apex
makes sense to me, distant foes take 130% percent normal damage. i.e normal damage +30%
worthy dust
I get what you mean though, boons say +50% damage.
kind fiber
The wording as I remember is accurate, but confusing
rain axle
The only reason I can see for it is so it doesn't scale with other % increases
worthy dust
Its probably because it modifies your base damage?
manic ermine
I'm too used to PoE style modifiers where all increased is summed and mores are multiplied
wintry moon
same
rain axle
think the sword is going to get a nerf
worthy dust
I think its too early for that.
indigo compass
first to get nerfed is prolly the bow :p
full kelp
Everything just multiplies off base damage doesn't it?
rain axle
dunno about bow it is the weakest to me
indigo compass
it is far superior atm
nah man
just dit 4 runs with bow on a new save
even did hydra with only one dash
rain axle
if you don't get specific hammer bufffs bow is worthless so most runs are very inconsistent
indigo compass
triple shot wrecks everything :p
nah man all u need is a bit op quik temper and artemis crit
full kelp
Bow has the most consistent quality of upgrades I'd actually say
rain axle
I think sword has the most useable hammer buffs
full kelp
Perfect shot is good, Point Blank Shot is good, Sniper Shot is good, Triple shot is good
indigo compass
yup
worthy dust
I like the rapid shot
rain axle
spear has the least usable
indigo compass
but triple is the best imo:p
indigo compass
up close u can hit 3 arrows and far u can kill lots of enemies at the same time
indigo compass
makes hydra go down llike nothing
full kelp
yea
indigo compass
same with meg
worthy dust
I keep forgetting about charge attacks with spear and shield
indigo compass
just stay close and keep firing:p
full kelp
Charge Attack with spear is quintessential \
rain axle
hydra is too easy with shield now
worthy dust
I guess I'm just a scrub lol
fluid moat
yeah artemis dash on spear is crazy right now
full kelp
and the base damage for a fully charged spin is 100
rain axle
charge attack is fine until phase 2 then I don't use it that often you have to stick and move
worthy dust
I'll have to try that
indigo compass
just did a survival room in tartarus with perfect shot, killed every enemie before it could move:p
without any crit upgrade:p
full kelp
So Imagine Aphrodite +100% base - 200 damage, Crit does 400 damage, Crit + Backstab does 600 Damage
indigo compass
just poseidon atk
rain axle
just get world slayer with sword I had it doing over 500 a hit
indigo compass
and that was like the 8th run of my save
fluid moat
yeah my highest crit on current patch is 2.1k using artemis dash with aphrodiaty build
using spear charge
full kelp
Dayum
worthy dust
That's impressive
fluid moat
the base damage buff on aphro is insane for the primary attack
fluid moat
and if you dont roll that, you will get passion dash, which is still really strong even though they've nerfed it
fluid moat
yeah you can solo either dash
indigo compass
artemis:)
full kelp
Artemis is just too good with the dash
rain axle
it is overrated
indigo compass
nah it isent
rain axle
zues dash does way more damage while staying safe
fluid moat
Thunder dash opening and spending all Pom Upgrades on it is a really fun build 100+ damage by hydra 😂 👌
indigo compass
yeah u can kill evrything as it spawns
kind fiber
Dunno, hydra was killed in about 2 minutes but I couldn't tell you about everything else
rain axle
speed run does not - best
fluid moat
my fastest full run on current is 11:20 right now
rain axle
= best
indigo compass
nice
kind fiber
@rain axle It means its damage output is amazing
rain axle
clear % is what matters
indigo compass
think im at 15mins casually
kind fiber
What does clear % mean in this game?
rain axle
clearing the run
fluid moat
I think I've lost 1 run in 20
kind fiber
So % of runs cleared?
fluid moat
in the last 20*
indigo compass
nice
kind fiber
Its a very consistent choice that wins who knows how many rounds
fluid moat
aphro is amazing
indigo compass
jsut did 4 in a row with only quik temper basically:p
fluid moat
nice
indigo compass
and 1 was single dash
fluid moat
😂
kind fiber
I haven't been picking it because of how powerful it is so I couldn't tell you how consistent it is
indigo compass
bow is op:p
fluid moat
I should try starting a new file, that'd be fun
kind fiber
Bows amazing with the patch
indigo compass
i used to hate bow
fluid moat
they added native piercing to the bow, which helps a lot
rain axle
the piercing def was a good change
fluid moat
^ yeah I love tripple shot
kind fiber
It seems so great with buffs it got
granite sentinel
artemis dash is what changed my opinion on the bow
indigo compass
just go in close for triple dmg
granite sentinel
the base damage on the bow makes it feel really clunky and slow compared to the other weapons
rain axle
now no where even close to that
indigo compass
?
kind fiber
They nerfed ares cast?
rain axle
they lowered the damage
kind fiber
@granite sentinel You can consistantly get 100 damage out of it just by dashing and doing power shots, more if you are able to backstab
granite sentinel
yes
I don't think bow is underpowered anymore, but it gives of that impression early on because it's not as spamable as the other weapons
kind fiber
Well it gives that impression early on because you don't have quick temper and back stab bonuses that early
granite sentinel
so I dropped it pretty quickly, picking it up now feels petter
indigo compass
yeah but if u position somewhat correctly u can kill most of em before they see u
granite sentinel
*better
turbid needle
When you use the bow and take the Deaadalus Upgrade that makes the bow charge instantly at the cost of reduced damage, can you still do power shots or does the instant charge skip past the window?
agile charm
turbid needle
Thanks, I'll put it on my "nope" list then
fiery iron
it's still really good if your other options don't include the spread shot
kind fiber
Ehh its probably low tier on daedalus hammer upgrades
fiery iron
^
kind fiber
You can use artemis crit without it just fine
hollow totem
Ive been doing base stat runs
vestal fjord
If you have another powerful damage increasing attack boost, along with the artemis dash and quick temper, the rapid shot becomes an amazing option.
fiery iron
recently had a run where i only got the artemis dash and rapid shot, was still an easy win just toke a bit
hollow totem
Artemis dash is broke
fiery iron
yeah it's god tier with spear or bow
hollow totem
its amazing with the sword as wel
Imo better on the sword than the bow
But the spear was built for crit dash
fiery iron
with the remove thrust hammer upgrade would be crazy, if not i'd rather almost any other dash boon
personally
artemis dash makes bow feel better without having a hammer upgrade, which is why i like it
rain axle
spear is the worst with crit because base damage is too low
hollow totem
I guess i havent been able to get life drinker on my sowrd runs
Have settled with the double dash
And spear is the best crit weapon
jolly bane
I see talk of "builds" but I haven't really seen a way to develop a coherent strategy in my games. Is this because I consistently fail to beat Meg?
fiery iron
@rain axle do you not know about charge + dash? 50 damage doubled
hollow totem
*100
rain axle
yes I do
hollow totem
Full charge is still pretty easy
fiery iron
then you're just spouting nonsense then lol
hollow totem
Spear crit build hard carries
It carries almost boonless runs
Me and evan were talking about it last night
granite sentinel
Epis do you have the trinkets that let you pick what god you get?
jolly bane
Half of them, I've been using Artemis'
kind fiber
Well
rain axle
I'd take aphro, zues, or pesidoen dash over artimis
hollow totem
Meg is pretty easy to beat once you learn synergies
kind fiber
then which god you want to see first in act 2
vestal fjord
What do the god trinkets even do? It doesn't say. I just go for the +25 hp one.
(Or rather it doesn't give exact math, just an idea)
grand oar
it does say
granite sentinel
they give you a really decent amount of control over what build you get (far more then in a lot of roguelikes)
kind fiber
I think it increases the numbers of boons you find
rain axle
your next boon will be the god you chose and the rarity rates are inreased
fiery iron
the ones from the olympian gods guarantee your first boon to be whichever you pick and increases their boons strength
kind fiber
Errr the numbers meaning, their damage numbers
grand oar
if it doesn't give math its not math applicable
hollow totem
They gurantee your first god boon to be the select trinket and rarity is better
vestal fjord
Oooooh. So you guarantee seeing that god? And make them be stronger? Ok, that is pretty nice.
rain axle
it just really sucks when your first boon is hammer or the god you chose......always go hammer
full kelp
Always
turbid needle
depends on what i have :D
usually you got atermis + a 100% buff
i quite like to have zeus/aphrodite for the retaliation (it doubles your health with avenging gain)
hollow totem
Depends on the weapon, build , and how close you are to a ledgendary
Its situational
rain axle
retaliation is broken right now with shield you can block shots with the charge attack and it fires the retaliations
grand oar
you mean deflect?
rain axle
noe you hold your charge attack with shield while it it is charging it will block anything
hollow totem
Tier 1 god boons are definitly worse than hammer boons but t2 is when honestly you can go for the god boons instead
rain axle
it will trigger retailation
hollow totem
If you know your build
jade notch
it doesnt block melee attacks
grand oar
it only blocks front though
kind fiber
It does directional blocking
grand oar
so thats the weakness i guess
also some attack it only partially absorb the damage off
of
some attacks
rain axle
all I know is hydra is easy mode for shield
it doesn't block dash attacks like meg and the glutons
hollow totem
I thought the guard could break if it took enough damage
rain axle
nope
grand oar
i beat it with blade earlier
full kelp
Nah, It can get interrupted though
rain axle
if you get hit from the side or back it will break it
hollow totem
Ive resorted to artificial difficulty spikes
turbid needle
ye i had my first run with the old bow
penetrating shot was a must 😄
grand oar
in the long-long-ago
hollow totem
They nerfed hydra newest patch
rain axle
well the sword buff was way too much
hollow totem
So yeah
fiery iron
yeah hydra is so easy now
hollow totem
Nowdays unlike yonder
grand oar
i made a build that totally broke sword
rain axle
I wouldn't say they nerfed it they made it harder with more zombies around but people are figuring out builds
jade notch
nerfed it, but made the bossfight so long -.-
turbid needle
didnt they buffed life drinker?
grand oar
right thats the heal thing?
rain axle
the base damage increase was too much
fiery iron
no they made it easier by far, went from pre patch needing 1 or 2 death defies without an op build to never losing more than 20 hp
rain axle
lol try world spliter you will do 300 damage with auto attacks
fiery iron
they nerfed and reduced the frequency of hydras strongest attack
rain axle
that is because you got better at the game I don't think it is because of them making changes
fiery iron
yeah compltely broken
errant narwhal
@jade notch watch your language please
fiery iron
@rain axle so i got that much better in a single game? lmao think what you'd like
errant narwhal
yes
grand oar
you cant open any of the locked doors yet right?
hollow totem
Nah they nerfed the hydra for sure
jade notch
im outa here
rain axle
well they did change the bolts while the heads are up to the tier 1 stage instead of sending 20 of them at you ever 5 seconds but they did add more zombies which are a pain
wintry moon
What if the game recorded HP at the start of the level and makes sure lifesteal from combat does not go above HP or HP +1,etc?
hollow totem
Zombie eggs are easy gk kill
turbid needle
zombies without shields are no threat 😄
hollow totem
So they arent a problem
fiery iron
honestly the zombies are never an issue, you should have atleastone good aoe clear in your build
hollow totem
That and sheildless zombies are easy
fiery iron
^
grand oar
@wintry moon I think the easiest fix would be just add a cooldown on a few seconds to it
errant narwhal
offensive language and behaviors arent tolerated here, and if you can't agree with that, this server isnt for you
hollow totem
They did increase the zombje spawn rate for sure tho
grand oar
@wintry moon So after its triggered once it needs a few seconds before it can trigger again
hollow totem
I want meg to be more difficult
wintry moon
D'aw cool downs are a sn-bore
hollow totem
And i want them to make it a 1v1
grand oar
what does that mean
hollow totem
The while summoning gimmick isnt hard but i dont think it suits megs character
grand oar
your solution was arcane 😛
fiery iron
i'd be down with that, and the hydra be more of an ad based fight
rain axle
meg is more difficult they added more invul to her so you don't wreck her in 10 seconds
wintry moon
I'm an Arcanist
indigo compass
yeah meg is allready easy enough
fiery iron
invul really doesn't add diffuclty, just slows the fight down
rain axle
the longer the fight goes the more likely you are to take damage
indigo compass
true
grand oar
i think meg is where she should be, took me like 10 attempts before i first got her.
indigo compass
i dont even kill adds anymore
grand oar
sure its pretty easy now but
turbid needle
did smb go through the full dialogue already?
i still have 60x left and even 90x on meg -.-
hollow totem
I would like them to make the fight a lot more difficult while removing her mob spawns
Thats would be nice
rain axle
still you have to account for getting better at the game as time goes on
kind fiber
It probably only took you 10 tries against meg cuz you were still farming darkness.
Things get much easier in the game once you have a good number of the mirror upgrades
grand oar
I think they want a decent difficuly curve in the game, harder stuff will come with new content
fiery iron
yeahi agree having mobs doesn't really fit her character, she's a valkrie, should be a 1v1
sullen tree
lifedrinker is a hammer boon right?
hollow totem
Ehh i beat meg around my 5th run thanks to the advice of this channel
kind fiber
@sullen tree Sword
rain axle
@sullen tree yes
hollow totem
Just got 3 dashes
indigo compass
hammer upgrade yes
hollow totem
The fight was essy
sullen tree
okay cause I never seem to get it on my sword runs
I think I got it once, and I forgot what gave it
kind fiber
Its now -30% max health, +10% lifesteal on thrust hits
kind fiber
Well
hollow totem
And make it so it cant heal off pots
rain axle
life drinker or world spliter both are fine I even used that one increase your attack speed with zeus buff
kind fiber
What they need to do is readjust the lifesteal, what changed is that the thrust damaged trippled
indigo compass
sword is allready far more difficult then other weapons
kind fiber
Its alot better after the patch
hollow totem
Prolly ome of the best
rain axle
what also changed is it life steals on each enemy hit with thrust
hollow totem
Better than sheild and bow
grand oar
if u got life leech sword is easy
indigo compass
if u dont get lifedrinker it not so much fun
grand oar
otherwise not so easy
sullen tree
w/o lifedrinker it kinda blows
kind fiber
@rain axle Did that change? I was pretty sure it was still lifesteal before the patch
hollow totem
Ehh the sword is amazing wo it
kind fiber
Yeah
sullen tree
idk shield you can do a block build which is hilarious
hollow totem
Ive done plenty of dash attack runs
rain axle
it only life stealed 1 time off each thrust
kind fiber
80 damage world ender hits
grand oar
btw the intro things that come up sometimes.. the hades title screens when u start a run
sullen tree
zeus lightning counter with block
grand oar
... what do they do?
rain axle
now it is off everything you hit
sullen tree
don't take damage but still proc the on hit skill
grand oar
@rain axle its based on damage
kind fiber
@grand oar They do nothing, they are a backdrop to a voicer over by hades
grand oar
the more damage your thrust do the more you heal
and then u can thrust like 6 mobs at once
rain axle
world spliter is fine 400% incrased base damage which is 80 damage then you dump % boons on it and it wrecks them
grand oar
and you heal to like full health
rain axle
you 1 shot everything
rain axle
you can also thrust on pots between levels to heal up to full for each room
kind fiber
If you have decent damage reduction
you can stay near full throughout a fight while taking hits constantly
grand oar
@kind fiber Oh it seemed to me like it was adding some modifier
kind fiber
@grand oar Its not, yet
grand oar
yea but its meant to be ?
rain axle
all of swords buffs are based on it's old damage now that they have increased the base damage all those buffs are way out of wack
kind fiber
Yep
rain axle
charge hits don't work with world spliter 😦 because it is a thrust
kind fiber
World ender should be nerfed down to 60 damage. Lifesteal should be nerfed down to like 5% lifesteal
rain axle
just don't take that one that does double hit and crit on dash it locks you place too long
fallen lintel
uh no
world thrust and flurry blade have been adjusted along with sword buff
they both do more dps than before
world splitter does 80 per hit
kind fiber
The base numbers of the sword were adjusted and consequently, the values of the perk changed
World ender is still a 300% damage increase to 400%, but chop's damage doubled from 10 to 20, doubling worldender from 40 to 80
Same story with flurry blade
instead of being a 10-10 hit, its a 10 20 hit
increasing overall damage output by 50%
rain axle
once you learn the timing on the chop it is so goooooood
fallen lintel
oh yeah double crit on dash lags too much i don't bother with it anymore
and it doesnt benefit from sword buff
rain axle
they do need to optimize the game right now because after this update damn near everything gives fps drops
fallen lintel
empowering nova is super good now though
rain axle
zeus attack bounces are the worst
kind fiber
Is it? its just 100% extra damage for like 4 seconds
rain axle
the range increase is huge
kind fiber
as opposed to flurry blades, world ender, or life drinker
kind fiber
Empowering nova is the one that gives 100% crits on your attack
I dunno if its worth the effort
rain axle
increases special range and damage
fallen lintel
i like it a lot
kind fiber
No thats not empowering nova
thats the other one
Empowering nova gives your attacks 100% crit chance for like 4 seconds
rain axle
oh yeah that one is bad
fallen lintel
you can charge crits before every spawn wave
rain axle
that is less damage than the other buffs without requiring more work
fallen lintel
and knockback on special means it's easy to set up crits most of the time
rain axle
to each their own
kind fiber
The knockback is good, but it doesn't change the fact that the damage increase isn't as meaningful as the other options
fallen lintel
i actually havent played enough post buff sword to make a full comparison but world splitter is definitely good
rain axle
if you are cleared with it than ok
kind fiber
You could just use the nova and start primary attacking if thats your thing and you'll be better for it
rain axle
I mean it does take your base 3 hit come from 60 to 120 damage
fallen lintel
ill take empowering nova over flurry blade though
kind fiber
Ehhhh, thats a questionable choice
rain axle
I only take blade furry if I have zeus buff
fallen lintel
and life drinker is so op at this point it's zzz
but i almost never took nova before sword buff
rain axle
hope they rework some of the shield buffs since they nerfed special
fallen lintel
either way i've found it to be pretty fast
rain axle
doesn't seem unreasonable
I just pick the one that increases nova range and damage instead
hollow totem
double dash crit is amazing
you can animation cancle
so it isnt really laggy
its my choice usually when life drinker isnt available
fallen lintel
yeah i think i'd go world splitter > empowering nova > everything else in the interest of speed and not using life drinker
kind fiber
Life drinker can be useful for speed in that you don't have to evade damage and revenge damage becomes amazing
Its probably still like tier 2 or 3 in terms of speed tho
fiery iron
note to self: don't get aphro cast and poseidon dash together lmao
fallen lintel
ok first try shield clear
for some reason dash attack shield does a lot more damage than expected
more than sword
so it was basically just playing with the sword
plus i got like 30% defense
i thought that one would take the most to adapt to after switching from the sword but it took the least
fiery iron
yeah it's definitely the easiest to use, and has a built in block
vestal fjord
When starting a run once, when I landed on the ground in the very first area, it said "perfect landing". Any idea what that meant, and if it changed anything?
indigo compass
yeah i get that every time now:p
worthy dust
I just mash and it happens. I don't think it does anything.
fiery iron
i think it's just dialogue, kinda like how sometimes you get a mini cutscene when you start
vestal fjord
So nothing yet, ok.
indigo compass
yeah just mash when hes about to fall:p
vestal fjord
And yeah, the shield's dash attack is great for moving around the field. I'd say shield has the best movement because of it.
fiery iron
thank god hydra can't be knocked back, that coulda been an annoying fight if he could
fiery iron
it was just my build, antisynergy
normally knockback wouldn't have mattered, but my build had the worst synergy with itself
indigo compass
i hate all the enemies that float in asphodel with knckback
fiery iron
my whole build was dash up to point black, aphro cast to oneshot them
indigo compass
yup
fiery iron
normally knockback can be fun in asphodel just kncoking them into lava
but that sucked
indigo compass
they allways stay away fore ever
vestal fjord
I once had a build focused around quick temper and then got athena's slow dash without thinking. Yeah, that wasn't fun.
fiery iron
oh god the blue ones were a nightmare
indigo compass
yeah thats why i usually dont go too much for knockback:p
fiery iron
what was wrong with athena dash? it's a pretty good dash
indigo compass
way too slow:p
fiery iron
does it being slow mess up quick temper?
indigo compass
tend to get hit between dashes
fiery iron
uhhh you deflect while dashing, you can't get hit
indigo compass
yeah but when u try dash twice it has a little time in between
fiery iron
if that's true, it's never happened to me, maybe you aren'tsmashing dash quick enough
vestal fjord
Yeah, the timing got super messed up.
vestal fjord
I was using a bow, so getting the timing right for the power attack was suddenly a lot harder.
fiery iron
with bow does it mess with charge + dash? like with spear?
vestal fjord
Also I'd just like to say - shield with Poseidon's extra knockback has such crazy knockback it's super fun. xD
indigo compass
it just doesent feel good
fiery iron
it feels great whatchu mean lol
oak epoch
I never use power shoots with the bow seem to risky
indigo compass
i only do power shots:p
fiery iron
yeah love the poseidon shield attack, sends enemies ping ponging across the area
oak epoch
how far have you gotten?
indigo compass
i am in a second save file now
fiery iron
gem bonus never wants to be on bow, so unlucky lol
indigo compass
completed 4 runs in a row with the bow 😃
oak epoch
i like Ares attack buff with the bow
vestal fjord
Ares with rapid shot is fun.
oak epoch
wow how do you pull them off?
drowsy tulip
How soon into a run do you decide if a run is viable? Third boon?
tranquil steeple
I never give up on a run until I die
indigo compass
can still get some darknes or whatever even if u fail
fiery iron
@drowsy tulip every run is viable, just need to learn patterns
oak epoch
every run is viable but not fun
drowsy tulip
Barring some insane skill, I don't feel Hydra is really doable without much boon benefits
fiery iron
i've done hydra with some awful builds, just needto know the patterns well enough
drowsy tulip
I've had runs with tons of hp bonuses but barely anything else by the time I hit mageara
fiery iron
had a build where i only found rapid shot and artemis dash, had like zero damage and bad aoe clear, just toke forever but doable
indigo compass
if u get triple shot ur basically good
once u get some quik temper ur dmg goes up fast
and triple shot up close lands 3shots at once
sullen tree
I feel like Hydra is all about just not getting hit by the bolts
if you can do that
the fight becomes really easy
exotic hazel
Luckily you can cheese the boltsby going right behind him
sullen tree
wait srsly?
exotic hazel
Yup
exotic hazel
They cricle back around, but most of them will hit something else first
fiery iron
lol yeah, you don't even need to be directly behind, just to the side of his head from where he's shooting
exotic hazel
For me the only rough part is quickly killing whatever head is blocking the walls
The stupid ground pound ones are hard to predict in the chaos sometimes
sullen tree
does anyone use dash at cursor
somehow I feel like I get more control when I don't have it on
even though you should have more precise angles with it on
fiery iron
use controller so no, but i'm sure some people would find it more comfortable
sullen tree
I really struggled with the controller
cause I got used to dashing one direction, and dash attacking backwards
fiery iron
really? it feels super comfortable for me, but everybodies different
sullen tree
which is much harder to do
fiery iron
but feel like dash at cursor would be worse for the reason you stated
would be harder to dash one direction and attack another
sullen tree
that's what I said
fiery iron
with controller you just need to snap he joystick back, it's pretty easy, mouse would need to be more precise
yeah you said it in regards to controller vs mouse keyboard, i'm just talking about using dash at cursor
sullen tree
well I equated dash at cursor with controller control
cause they are both dash at look direction
fiery iron
yeah i'd think mouse would be harder, since you can quick snap the thumbstick in the right direction, harder to say tho
in the end it's probably just whatever you use from the beginning cause you'll be more comfortable with it
sullen tree
best scaling for attacks is aphro athena poseidon?
sullen tree
isn't that pointless if you already have artemis dash?
wow first time bow hydra kill
it was so easy it hurts
knotty delta
can anyone tell me what you spend charon's obol (coins) on? Also do you lose them when you die?
night pasture
did the bloodless always have that killer turn radius? I've been trying to dash behind them to avoid them but they turn almost instantly, although I'm pretty sure it's just me playing sloppily
pastel jolt
you lose 'em when you die and you spend them in shops or in wells
night pasture
@knotty delta there will be "shop" rooms, and also interactive wells you can spend them at. you will lose all of them when you die
night pasture
lol hachi machi at that level 6 divine strike
pastel jolt
shops are marked by a bag with a gold birdskull-lookin icon on it
sullen tree
there was nothing else to level
pastel jolt
at least i think it looks like a birdskull?
night pasture
the wells can be easy to miss your first few runs until you know what they look like, too
sullen tree
hunter dash 3 would have been pointless
night pasture
they're these purple bowl things, and you can only interact with them once the room is clear
no, I think it's a good decision, really, triple damage on the bow? yes please
makes up for the rapid shot and then some
sullen tree
I pretty much 10 clicked the boss
to invul
killed hydra heads
ten clicks again
invul
bow is so strong
but its so boring
compared to like spear playstyle or sword dash attack
night pasture
even with pierce I have trouble with mob control in like the meg fight
night pasture
all the witches and grunts that collect than I then subsequently dash into avoiding meg
I find unless I'm actively clearing 'em out they become a problem
but it may have something to do with the builds I've tried or the fact that I'm terrible
both are likely options