@rain axle why not both
#h1-builds-and-combat
ocean halo
indigo compass
i was doin 600 backstab crits with power shot from the slower charge upgrade with artemis crit
on meg
rain axle
how do you even land on a slow charge
ocean halo
By aiming ?
rain axle
she would be in her next attack
indigo compass
wait for her to dash step dash and charge;:p
indigo compass
yeah i think problems are coming from big save files aswell
rain axle
gets even worse when you get zeus legendardy
indigo compass
there was someone who had so much stuff he crashed his game
rain axle
I could barely move and my computer is good
indigo compass
and i am getting maxed out in mirror and i have framerate issues sometimes
rain axle
the aries cast does the same thing
last one for me is rare upgrade at 17% so almost there
indigo compass
and im not talking light stutters im talking 10fps and stuff
also doors to next chamber load alot slower
cursive pilot
Hmm I haven't been getting things like that. Just from time to time usually at the end of a room and a buff pops up the screen with freeze. Already put in a bug report for this though.
It is early access
cursive pilot
Unsure I haven't played in a while.
indigo compass
im at around 7k i think
rain axle
the lightning bouncing off zues is really bad fps drop
it is when you have multiple damage very very fast
indigo compass
never had any problems with zeus stuff
for me it bombs now and deflecting witches
radiant compass
What are people even doing with 8k darkness?
rain axle
yeah I have seen a slight fps drop from deflecting witches
indigo compass
i still need to max one trait
radiant compass
Sure, but... why?
cursive pilot
Yeah I guess just maxing the mirror
rain axle
I have 7k darkness not a big deal
cursive pilot
You max the mirror you can do max stat speed runs I guess
indigo compass
just enjoying the game:p
rain axle
I am
radiant compass
Like, you get a bunch of upgrade that you don't need because it's like, yeah you already win.
indigo compass
finding new playstyles that kinda thing
rain axle
even with max you will still fail most runs
radiant compass
Because by the time you get even 1000 darkness you realise that the only thing that matters is damage.
rain axle
unless you have sword the success rate of sword is too high
cursive pilot
The end goal isn't just winning though o-o People like 100% a game
indigo compass
part of the dmg comes from the mirror
rain axle
almost all your damage comes from mirror
indigo compass
and yah its about fun and this is only the begin theres more to come so:p
we can use that on next content hopefully:p
rain axle
the only god buff that can keep up with mirror stats is artimis dash
radiant compass
I'm saying, this is the gameplay and tactic channel. The winning tactic is damage.
And gameplay wise, it's like, most of this gameplay stops mattering once you realised that the game is all about damage.
cursive pilot
Yes and maxing out stats for better or for worse is called optimization
fast gyro
damage is cool but you can't have always a good path
rain axle
I think the game is more about not taking damage rather than dealing it
radiant compass
Best way to not take damage is to one shot every enemy.
cursive pilot
I don't understand your argument here though.
rain axle
which isn't possible in 90% of the runs you do
indigo compass
its what u want it to be in the end , u can refund mirror and play that way
cursive pilot
As you progress you get darkness anyway so you may as well just pour points into the mirror.
worn fulcrum
I think it's hard to talk about optimal strats right now when you're getting +100% extra damage from Quick Temper
Quick Temper is literally twice as powerful as it's supposed to be, so of course it's best to max out right now
autumn tapir
I found that building for crits with the spear is good
aphrodite's damage buff + artemis dash + increased crit damage from artemis
shreds through enemies regardless of armor or not
forest marsh
Don't they show with a boss/mini-boss skull icon on the room entrance?
It doesn't tell you exactly what it is coming up, just that it's not a normal room
fallen lintel
there isn't
rugged horizon
lol i beat the hydra on my 66th attempt
forest marsh
Just beat it on my 48th, I feel so relieved 😅
rugged horizon
wasnt really trying tbh, was mostly just grinding
rocky whale
Once you find a couple of builds that work for you, it’s pretty easy to win most of the time.
I almost always make the hydra and right now I’m just experimenting with stuff
cursive pilot
Anyone else tried an armor shredding ranged spear build? Or is that just me? 8D;
indigo compass
i tried thaty once
indigo compass
jus got my 22kill, bow is amazing right now
having fun with every atk hammer upgrade so far
cursive pilot
Yesssss
forest marsh
I finally have enough obol to afford the 
scroll... Now I just need to find it in a shop 😆
indigo compass
haha
took me long to get, allways when i have the money theres no shop ir it dident apear
forest marsh
.... aaaand dead
cursive pilot
Ahhh rip
indigo compass
that must have taken a while
hollow totem
It was the big OOF
Thank god the spear is broke
reaching hydra with basically base damage was already hellish
rocky whale
Haha yeah that lightning strike is not great with hunter dash
shut quail
it can be a tad rough
forest marsh
You'll get there eventually 
Just gotta find the right combination of weapon, boons, and patience
shut quail
keep yourself on the move as much as ya can i'd say
you'll avoid more damage than ya might think
worthy dust
It was the final phase
Sometimes those stupid darts just go through what I think should be wall and get me
autumn yarrow
learning to dodge things is like 90% of roguelikes
I like how ther's a range where if you get hit by a trueshot from the hydra you get hit by all of them 😂
graceful bough
Is there a screenshot button?
turbid swallow
did anyone find the healing perk making it TOO easy?
modern hemlock
I recommend to beat the hydra focus on one form of attack with your boons
graceful bough
@turbid swallow Tell feedback.
turbid needle
F10 the feedback button also saves a screenshot. Then you can just cancel your feadback
modern hemlock
and then just spam out as much dmg as you can
turbid swallow
I can barely get to hydra normally, but with that perk on the sword I beat hydra....not EASILY, I did have 1 or none death defy left, but way easier than not
turbid needle
I just saved a screenshot of this crazy combination of boons I had but you cant upload here.
modern hemlock
I beat it with a ton of boons for basic attack and spear
turbid swallow
@graceful bough I did before, but noticed I didn't do !feedback. I'll write out a proper thing and post it there 😃
so has anyone else tried the healing? I didn't see it until 30ish runs I think, so maybe it's rare?
turbid needle
It was rank 4 of Aphrodites +damage boon. Rank 4 of Artemis true-seek cast and the bow boon which gives +300% damage at a longer charge up. Oh and also the trinket which gives +120% damage to distant enemies. I was dealing 200+ damage on both casts and regular shots.
modern hemlock
tried the healing?
turbid needle
Alas the time to charge up ended up costing me during a certain bosses certain final phase.
fallen lintel
got hunter dash bow for the first time
modern hemlock
like the one from the mirror?
fallen lintel
yeah that's op
turbid needle
Mirror heal is probably the best mirror buff. First thing I maxed out.
fallen lintel
^
turbid needle
Heal is cheaper.
modern hemlock
honestly though triple dash is so useful beating bosses
its worth every dark essence of the eternal void you spend
fallen lintel
i maxed heal relatively late honestly
fallen lintel
im maxed on everything but the last two now
turbid needle
The Olympian favor ones. They seem do be exactly just resource sinks after you are done everything else.
modern hemlock
pretty much yeah
graceful bough
29 attempts. I feel bleeping amazing. https://imgur.com/yCPeMZ9
fluid moat
heartbreak strike is probably my favorite thing right now
modern hemlock
Aphrodite all the way
jolly bane
How do you see how many attempts it took you?
autumn yarrow
on your save or you buy the fountain
and you can look at the fountain in your room
white shell
well the life drinker? upgrade for the blade is OP as all hell.
autumn yarrow
although that's total runs/attempts
fallen lintel
yeah life drinker is nuts since the sword buff
hunter dash for bow is also insanely op
which is why people mention it all the time here
jolly bane
What fountain do you mean?
white shell
I heard people mentioning it,but never tried it myself.
white shell
@jolly bane It's a room upgrade. You can buy it at one of the purple pool stores. Should appear on the right side of the door to Skelly.
fallen lintel
yea
worthy dust
back to back hydra runs. Won this time.
white shell
Noice
jolly bane
Thank you! I just beat Meg for the first time. Do I have to make my way through Tartarus to get back to Asphodel? Every rebirth?
worthy dust
fallen lintel
yeah
jolly bane
Thank you, one last question, will I have to beat Meg each time to return to Asphodel?
indigo compass
yes
jolly bane
I'm so screwed, lol, thanks guys
fallen lintel
actually it looks like i'm power shotting without even realizing it weird
worthy dust
Epistemology, it gets easier. Trust.
fallen lintel
^
worthy dust
Slowly working down my mirror upgrades too... almost max on all but the bottom two
47 attempts for my first clear.
fallen lintel
regardless there's way too little downside on hunter dash w/ bow
indigo compass
allmost max here just 50 darkness
worthy dust
Turned mine off as well... Still not sure if that was the right call or not though
fallen lintel
with bow it seems a little un-fun personally
but it's personal preference
wonder how much playing pyre helped me with that
hunter dash and perfect shot and you already have a solid build
autumn yarrow
you mean just hunter dash
LOL
yea the bow is definitely totally overtuned unless this was the goal
but I also kind of want to give the benefit of the doubt
sand breach
second hydra win... got like 3 aphrodite / zeus trial of the gods
autumn yarrow
not everyone can do perfect casts that well?
sand breach
they ran out of boons to get so i got both legendaries
jolly bane
I've been using the spear for a while and looked at the weapons and the bow had +10% Darkness, does that mean while using it I'll get more Darkness?
fluid moat
the big overtune was the piercing being native, but they will probably rebalance damage and other boons to account for it
fallen lintel
yeah just hunter dash
jolly bane
Neat, thanks
fluid moat
the non-pierce bow was rough late + early game
fallen lintel
it really is all you need
time for spear then
lot less sure what i'm doing with this one
harsh goblet
Sword upgrade is really good. I’ve killed hydra many times and most of them with sword
tepid fiber
which one?
harsh goblet
Chop attack is just insanely strong. I killed hydra with like 20 hits (not counting the summoned clones)
tepid fiber
That one is alright
I like the special upgrade for the sword a lot
It combos really well with a lot of blessings
harsh goblet
Just alright? I did 500 dmg per hit :0
tepid fiber
I got to 700+ damage with the special upgrade
Admittedly had help from aphrodite
That run is the closest ive gotten to a hydra kill 
harsh goblet
I haven’t played bow a lot, not my type. Spear is awesome for clearing mobs. Aegis probably has the best playing style, very dynamic.
autumn yarrow
bow is literally spear special but more damage and range and no lag
slate dirge
Noob question, am I missing a checkpoint system, or do I really have to go through the entire game each time I die?
fallen lintel
yes to the latter
slate dirge
I'm familiar with the concept but no I haven't played too many I guess.
hollow totem
Ahh Understanable
slate dirge
I knew they were very repetitive, but I had assumed getting through to like a boss and finishing it would have opened up a check point from that point, and then you'd progress from there.
hollow totem
Nah its from the beginning over
most of the fun lies in making unique builds
and trying new things out
Or just getting by with terrible builds
which was my case
forest marsh
It really does get easier though, don't worry about having to repeat. Eventually you'll clear the first area in no time
slate dirge
I guess I like to progress too much to enjoy that kind of experience then. With what I tried only way I was able to get through the first boss encounter was with a specific build, so now if I want to get by that I just have to build that same way each time, so it doesn't encourage experimentation to me if the players goal is to get farther.
hollow totem
I disagree
experimentation definitly gets you far
and then when your good enough you can run very stupid bnuilds and still get by
the supid builds are fun
but stomping definitly has its own satisfaction
forest marsh
Experimenting with different builds is what allowed me to get my first clear
fiery iron
agree with pyrrha, you can win with any build, just a matter of learning the mechanics more than anything
forest marsh
Yeah, there will be builds that you like more than others, but it is fun to try new things when your go-to doesn't come up during the run
fiery iron
besides that, as long as you have an aoe clear and single target dps, it's easy once you know the game
slate dirge
Well I've always loved Supergiant for doing different genres each time, just never thought they'd land on one I didn't like. Oh well. Thanks.
sand breach
is bone hourglass as good as i think it can be
sand breach
i only just started using well of charon buffs
hollow totem
as you can see by the solo lamia item
fiery iron
so unlucky with the amount of boons on that run, not very interesting but a great build nonetheless
fallen lintel
multiple bacons and multiple ichors don't stack though which i'm hoping gets fixed
hollow totem
Nah none of those boons really have any synergy
sand breach
hmmm can you get.. over 100% damage reduction...
shield daedalus hammer + artemis bronze skin + aphrodite different league
hollow totem
with crit you wanna get base buffs
not zeus or ares
still managed to squeek out a win
but lordy
fiery iron
they don't need synergy, that build woulda been an easy win imo, has every necessary base covered
quick spin + zeus makes the ad phase super simple, the crit dash helps dps the boss a little, i've won with worse lol
hollow totem
ad?
sand breach
when the little skelebros pop up alongside the secondary heads
hollow totem
The base damage is very low so it didnt really help at all
I had to mostly just camp walls
couldnt spin becauase the boss was being very weird
he never went for melee's
fiery iron
unless they changed it last patch, charge spear then dash worked with the crit dash
hollow totem
Idk what I prompted but he was only spamming the purple arrow attack
fiery iron
which is a ton of damage
hollow totem
Its only 200 per swing hit
But I couldnt do the swings
mainly because the heads werent positioning properly
they were always over lava
fiery iron
was that last patch or newest patch?
hollow totem
newest one
Idk what I was doing
But the heads
wouldnt enter melee range
they spammed their ranged attacks over lava
I entered the boss on around 20 HP
fiery iron
spin has decent range max charged, them being over lava shouldn't matter
hollow totem
It really does matter in the long run
fiery iron
and the boss not doing melees, on the newest patch, is even easier
hollow totem
not really
fiery iron
stand to one side, when he ranged attacks move to the other side and wail on him
he won't ever hit you
fiery iron
ah talking normal phase
hollow totem
normal phase i didnt get hit once
it was the head phase that was the issue
he just wasnt acting normal
put me off guard
fiery iron
idk the difficulty was turned down so much this patch, that fighting him now just feels easy
literally on a 30+ streak right now, and hydra went from the hardest part to the easiest, hope they add a streak counter
hollow totem
Its gotten easier for sure
fiery iron
and buff him up
hollow totem
aspho has been the easist thing nowdays
I dont think they ever will buff him up because he's not supposed to be that hard
he's only the second boss
fiery iron
that shouldn't make him easy, every boss should be difficult until you learn their patterns and strats to fight them
his difficulty before was at a good level, took about 10 tries before i had him down
now he's a cakewalk
fiery iron
guess it just depends how use to roguelites you are
hollow totem
i think he's at a reasonable level of difficulty as a second boss
he's still difficult if you dont know his patterns and how to run him
and he's relatively easy otherwise
so basically a second boss
fiery iron
which is how it should be, same with any roguelite
hollow totem
yes
fiery iron
you fight him the first time, get wrecked cause you have no idea what he does
hollow totem
as it is now
fiery iron
then practice til he's easy
fallen lintel
made it to hydra again, just need to learn to be more careful with charging
the game's a lot more about learning the enemies than it is about learning the weapons imo
weapons are easy to pick up
upper mural
when did they add Legendary effects?
forest marsh
Always been there as far as I know. They just have prerequisites
forest marsh
Nope they all have one
fiery iron
really? wow i've found the zeus one 3 times so far and never found another one
thought that was strange
that there would only be one
fallen lintel
i still haven't seen one in 70 runs
fiery iron
it's deff rare, but the zeus one is an instawin so i guess it shoudl be
dunno what the others do, don't spoil it tho excited to see them
forest marsh
I think the prereqs for them is to have that god's boons in all of your slots (Attack, Special, Cast) but I could be wrong
fiery iron
everytime i've seen the zeus one, i had 2 zeus slot boons
my last one was dash and normal attack
gonna start the game with different god keepsakes now to try and find them lol
forest marsh
The wiki probably has the prereqs listed
Though you'll spoil what they are if you look
fiery iron
yeah not gonna do that, i'm gonna go under the assumption you need atleast 2 attack modifying boons
i normally start with the zeus keepsake, so that's probably why i see the zeus legendary more often
forest marsh
Hmmm, looks like in most cases to get Tier 3 you need to have one of the Tier 2 boons (don't think that's too spoilery of a tip)
fiery iron
what do the tiers mean? rarity?
forest marsh
Not as such, no
Tier 1 is your basic Attack/Special/Cast boon
To get Tier 2 you need to have on of those
Then Tier 3 you need on of the Tier 2's
indigo compass
damn allready maxed my mirror
forest marsh
Tier 1 also includes other types like Dash and Revenge boons
It looks like Tier 2 are the ones that amplify the effects of Tier 1 boons, if that makes sense without being spoilery
fiery iron
ok figured dashes were including, wouldn't think revenge boons tho
yeah deff
i've had plenty of runs with tier 2s other than zeus then, just unlucky i suppose
i know i had a run with 3 tier 2s from ares before
forest marsh
Well, he only has 2 so one was a Tier 1 😉
Unless the wiki is wrong, which could be true as well
fiery iron
you sure? there's 2 that enhance the spin/cast, and the % damage one
exotic hazel
Oh dang, i had a feeling that tier system was a thing, but didnt realize it was that nice and linear
forest marsh
Urge to Kill is listed as Tier 1 (Attack and Cast do more damage - note this doesn't modify the god specific damage, just your normal attack/cast damage)
fiery iron
interesting that urge to kill is tier 1, maybe if it doesn't enhance a specific mechanic it's still tier 1
like the zeus boon for more bounces would be tier 2, since it affects that mechanic
fiery iron
thats what i figured
and then tier 3 is only the legendaries?
pretty excited to find those other legendaries now, thought i had seen every boon by now lol
forest marsh
Yup, 3 is Legendary
And each only has one
But different gods have different amounts of Tier 2
atomic swallow
does the athena dash still make spear go off before it actually moves you?
the spear charge spin i mean
forest marsh
Not sure about that myself, I haven't used Athena dash in a long while
atomic swallow
i had that the other day and it just killed the run
now i'm at that choice again and i don't wanna have basically anything she has to offer but that
fiery iron
i saw a streamer yesterday after the patch try it, and it still went off first
atomic swallow
eugh
fiery iron
unless they did a small bug fix then it's still a thing
atomic swallow
ty for the info, guess i'm taking special deflect on spear....
fiery iron
yeah on the spear i avoid that boon, i would do the same thing since i don't use the special anyway lol
atleast it isn't taking a possibly good slot then
atomic swallow
just got artemis dash so maybe this run isn't so bad after all
analog badge
Anyone else unable to patch the game? It's stuck trying to queue up.
indigo compass
no mine patched when it launched
forest marsh
Mmmmm, Hunter Dash is my favourite
fiery iron
god the lifesteal upgrade for sword is busted
literally impossible to lose, healed for 20 in a single hit lmao
gleaming quiver
Yeah, it'll very likely get nerfed at some point
fiery iron
it's gotta be, maybe a flat number instead of %
forest marsh
I still haven't even seen it (not that I use sword much)
fiery iron
i just use whatever the game tells me to for gems (even though i'm maxed out) keeps things spicy
forest marsh
It's funny that people have been saying it needs a nerf, when in the last patch (or the one before that?) it actually got buffed to have less of a HP penalty
fiery iron
yeah i noticed that, my last run was the first time i saw it in this patch
but wasn't it also the heal was based on how much hp you had? atleast that's how it was worded
previously i mean
now it's just 10% of damage
errant narwhal
i think it def shouldnt give u damage when smashing urns and from the curse
that might be enough of a "nerf" in case it is intended
worn fulcrum
agree with urns, although not with Hades
ee
*er, ares
curse synegizes with nothing right now and it would be nice to see it have some upside
while all the other +damage boons from gods do give you bonus life stolen
fiery iron
how does that work? do you need to apply curse with the thrust?
errant narwhal
curse applies with every attack
so it automatically applies on thrust
it seems pretty good in general though, its already free 60 damage or so
fiery iron
it applies with every attack, but it can't apply again til it detonates, so i'd imagine you have to hit with thrust when the enemy isn't cursed already
either way, it's busted cause curse damage is so high to begin with, and 10% of that damager is healed? crazy
needs to just be a flat number on thrust
speaking earlier of never seeing any legendaries but zeus, have a double legendary run right now zeus+aphro lol
full kelp
Curse is good depending on your weapon's base damage
It has less potential because It doesnt synergize with backstab or crits
full kelp
I found that Homing Ares blade cast is dope
indigo compass
just started a new save file unlocked bow in first run, 2nd run allmost beat meg
fiery iron
gotta love the crypt of the necrodancer music in the background of that clip
that soundtrack was lit
untold trellis
You aren't "supposed" to die but you of course will while you learn
proven merlin
what weapon do you prefer for newbie like me
untold trellis
Just unlock them all
proven merlin
i did. everything is hard!!!!
untold trellis
and then use whichever you like most
I usually just pick whichever is giving bonus dark
worn fulcrum
Bow is very safe
fiery iron
yeah roguelites tend to pretty difficult, you'll get better just learn the enemy patterns
i'd personally recommend shield, most newb friendly
proven merlin
shield it is. thanks Evan
dreamy fractal
the problem with shield is that it's v hard to make it through asphodel
it lacks lots of the safe aoe the other weapons have
untold trellis
sword is harder in asphodel than shield
proven merlin
is asphodel is the chick boss?
dreamy fractal
agreed, unless you have lifesteal
untold trellis
fire level
fiery iron
aphodel is the 2nd area
worn fulcrum
Asphodel is the second area, after the first boss
dreamy fractal
asphodel is the area after meg
proven merlin
i thought two bombers were the first boss
dreamy fractal
bow is best weapon if you consistenly power shot i think
untold trellis
worst case with shield you can kite forever and spam ranged special
fiery iron
honestly shield is the second easiest in aphodel, next to spear, since you can just hit things into lava
dreamy fractal
and spear is 2nd best and newbie friendly
untold trellis
which is easier than what you have to do with sword
dreamy fractal
@fiery iron sometimes zombies leap will still damage you if they are armored though
worn fulcrum
Spear is hard to deal damage with if you aren't dash charge attacking, which is unsafe if you don't have multiple dashes yet
proven merlin
hard time using spear. can't spam
fiery iron
that's anything in this game if you don't know the pattern
untold trellis
I barely dash charge in asphodel
dreamy fractal
the spear you can chage your aoe in a safe place then teleport in
for damage
its one of the safest weapons
fiery iron
@proven merlin bombers are a miniboss
proven merlin
yeah then chick boss. never pass that stage
untold trellis
meg is all about never getting hit by the dash
you can barely walk perpendicular and she will miss
proven merlin
thanks for the tip. i will try
untold trellis
dashing makes it easier
if you dash towards her she can still hit you with the wrong timing so more dangerous
gleaming quiver
As you play, you will upgrade your character at the mirror and get better at the game overall. Just keep bashing your head against the wall, it'll break eventually
untold trellis
hopefully not his head
proven merlin
haha
dreamy fractal
once you paly more game is actually p easy
no upgrades i got hydra to 50% with bow
rugged horizon
ok aphrodite at 300% boosted dmg for the sword special is op af
proven merlin
spent 5+ hours. couldn't clear first boss yet. but its fun
untold trellis
I still need to make a build where sword special feels good
rugged horizon
i didnt even proc revive once on the hydra
untold trellis
Haven't managed it yet
untold trellis
the ending lag on that always makes me sad
proven merlin
hope this game comes out at nin switch
gleaming quiver
It's the opposite of the Spear's spin: the window where you are vulnerable with the sword is after the hit, while it's before with the spear
But the knockback of the Sword Special kinda make it safe
untold trellis
But you can always cancel the spear charge early if you are gonna take dmg
sword you are stuck
fiery iron
i feel like the weapon with the gem boost is never the bow
haven't had it once since i started streaking lol
untold trellis
I always pick the gem boost weapon and it seemed pretty even among all 4
fiery iron
i do the same, just more fun that way
gleaming quiver
I often take Poseidon's boon for the Sword's Special. And I only go for a Special build if I get the hammer's upgrade related to it (+damage and +size)
fiery iron
but i'm on a 32 streak, 9 with shield, 11 with spear, and 12 with sword
not seen bow that whole time
rngesus hates the bow
and its spear this time lmao
ok spear+hunter dash+hide break is a busted combo
i mean crippling blow not hide break, dunno where that came from, maybe one of the other choices
hitting meg for 420, blaze time
so i just bought cyclops jerky for a second time, thinking it would just up the duration, but apparently it stacks
thats interesting
silk brook
I'm pretty sure you guys noticed already but before going to asphodel, when you get the chance to change your keepsake, if you switch to cerberus' keepsake you get healed, then you can switch back to something else and you still keep the extra hps. Seems unfair to me tho.
dreamy jackal
Anyone knows which boon of the god is best for bow?
arctic pewter
They need to address the key problem
ocean halo
Well its your choise mostly, but artem and aphro seem most useful to me so far
arctic pewter
Feels bad when your only option is a key room
ocean halo
Ares can be pretty good too
arctic pewter
And you already have all unlocks
dreamy jackal
@silk brook No, I don’t think so. You can only do it once and get lock out of that keepsake the whole run. If the game any longer. I don’t think it’s worth it
fiery iron
artemis dash is really good on bow, normal or special attack wuld do aphro
ocean halo
@arctic pewter #hades-feedback-closed then address it
dreamy jackal
Okay, so dash from Artemis
turbid needle
One of the combos I do enjoy getting is armor slayer + Ares curse damage.
Tends to one hit many of the smaller things and do massive damage against everything else.
dreamy jackal
Any other boon beside Aphro? She is OP no matter what
ocean vortex
yeah Artemis' dash with the dash attack upgrade at max from the mirror is busted
dreamy jackal
I want to do a run without her
ocean vortex
and if you can, get triple shot from the hammer
bow just slays everything from there
ocean halo
if you get athena's deflect for special its pretty good too
dreamy jackal
What triple shot do?
dreamy jackal
Okay
ocean halo
shorter range, 3 arrows
ocean vortex
super good for crowd control
dreamy jackal
Alright, thanks
ocean halo
Lifesteal is the king right now, but Flurry blade also works for me
ocean vortex
what's the flurry do?
ocean halo
No thrust at the end of combo but you attack much faster
ocean vortex
ah cool. in my first few runs with the sword I usually turned it into a nuke build using nova
with the special attack upgrade from the hammer + poseidon's special upgrade
but I was pretty bad at the start, not sure if that's viable
silk brook
@dreamy jackal Yea indeed, would have to see if the keepsake remains locked out after the hydra for instance.
stone night
lightning dash full clear
turbid needle
Hello Everybody i have a question : what is the utility of the "Soul" when we are using our cast spell ?
I dont understand what's happening iwhen my soul is on an ennemy
fiery iron
it just doesn't allow you to use it against til the enemy dies or it drops over time
and there's a boon that makes it drop out quicker
might be more interactions later on
stone night
excaclty
turbid needle
Yes but i think its most effective to use Special and normal attack then the cast
stone night
so u cant spam it
turbid needle
am i right ?
stone night
for example i use the cast with zeus
fiery iron
cast is balanced by the interaction you mentioned, because its so strong
stone night
it bounces and i can clear trash mobs
turbid needle
Oh !
tawdry cairn
some of the casts become very powerful when you level them up, and they can have other utilities like Athenas acting as a shield
also one of the mirror upgrades gives you more casts, up to 4 when starting. When you have 4 casts even the beginning cast is very useful for taking out certain enemies.
turbid needle
I mean yeah, probably gonna be more interactions later down the line but so far I like Artemis' cast the most
Ok ! thanks !
fiery iron
i really like it with the upgrade where it homes in on enemies
otherwise prefer zeus or trueshot
tawdry cairn
I like Posiedon's. You can throw it next to an enemy, and it can damage them, but if it's not a direct hit you can pick it up again instantly.
turbid needle
Oh man Poseidon boons with the range upgrade on the spear
Just yeeting people into the lava in Asphodel with that is legit a lot of fun
ocean vortex
Oh damn, sounds like an amazing build
Haven't found how to make the spear work yet, I'm gonna try that
turbid needle
I was dying of laughter when playing that so have fun
You're kinda screwed against enemies who have armor though so get something against them as well
tawdry cairn
My favorite spear move is the charge+dash. I ddint know about it for the longest time, but it keeps you mobile while also having instane crowd control. Plus it always procs the hunters dash perk and quick temper buff. It's so broken
fallen lintel
ok spear done
got athena legendary but i barely noticed it working whatsoever
not sure if i should bother using the shield yet
in its current state
turbid needle
I just use the shield to cheese Meg if I don't feel like fighting her for real
Otherwise pretty sure it's not that great
ocean halo
Shield is easy mode for Tartarus, but in asphodel you are pretty much screwd
Well may be Charge speed + athena's repel for attack is somewhat good
but its still realy hard
fallen lintel
honestly my sole worry is the taking damage from using the special
which i believe is still a thing
not gonna deal with an annoyance like that
worn fulcrum
It was fixed in the last patch
plush blaze
Shield might not have DMG compared to spear/bow, but it's just really safe and good for surviving
turbid needle
It's really bad in Asphodel though
turbid needle
Plus the dash upgrades already give you enough safety I'd say, not going for enough offensive power causes Meg and beyond to really be a chore
plush blaze
As long as you don't accidentally use the special in asphodel
silk brook
Just cleared a run with the spear doing between 300 and 1200 damages with crits, kinda insane.
ocean halo
Base powershot deals 40 dmg
Why the hell with quick temper buff it deals 100
Multiplayer between different duffs are hella inconsistent
tawdry cairn
is it stacking with shadow presence?
plain heron
It's really bad in Asphodel though
Well, that's the only weapon I was able to finish game with so far. Bow was very promising too, at some point.
I can't make it even through the first boss with the starting sword. And I got to the second boss with every other weapon.
turbid needle
I am not gonna say much, I've successfully completed Hades with the sword quite consistently, Beaten the Hydra 8times with the sword.
gleaming void
you just need a good boon on your sword special to vanquish meg I think
And now that the area of the t-pose is larger it's really doable
ocean halo
oof
boons are just too perfect so far
https://imgur.com/kHrC6uX
plain heron
It seems I spam it lot. And it locks me in the thurst animation in the critical moment. 😦
turbid needle
Sword special? I only spam normal attacks, I have never used the sword special.
gleaming void
Sword special is god tier
if you get a dmg boost on it you can spam your way through so much rooms
turbid needle
8runs in a row with sword, 8runs beat Hydra without using life drinker on some of them.
ocean halo
@plain heron I already have dash
tawdry cairn
plain heron
Whoops, I'm blind 
ocean halo
and i didnt wat to take attack because straight dmg buff, like aphro's with dash is much better
HOOOOO BOI
And i have boon amplifier
plain heron
@turbid needle you're a GOD 😉 Well, I've only killed it once, and with the shield. Was pretty fun though.
I loved endscene dialog with father. Hope we'll get at least 5 more levels. The more the merrier, ofc
ocean halo
Gonna be my best run so far
tawdry cairn
I got 600 gold one run with 0 investment in deep pockets. only had 50 health and 2 boons halfway through Asph.
was pretty rough
ocean halo
oof
Didnt even need death defiance
https://imgur.com/l2YUEUG
tawdry cairn
Jesus that must have been insane dmg.
ocean halo
Yup
tawdry cairn
hunter dash, Aphro dmg, AND tripple shot. oh lawd
ocean halo
Yeah the rng was pretty crazy
pastel jolt
yesssss best build
latent badger
try building the double special shots bow upgrade with aphro special and aphro extra damage to weak. That's the best damage I've had yet
karmic zealot
Anybody else find that the sword upgrade life drinker completely breaks the game? It's the one that gives you health back when you damage enemies with thrust.
Every single time I've got it I've beaten the hydra
Makes the game trivial
turbid needle
There's a lot of ways to just completely romp through the entire game if you get the right set of upgrades
karmic zealot
True, but that specific one seems to break the game no matter what you pair it with.
I've beaten the game three times today with iut
agile charm
Is there a wiki that documents upgrades and stuff?
lost rose
agile charm
Oh Crikey, Megara just messed me up something fierce
lost rose
happens to the best of us mate
gleaming void
Yeah without the firepower needed her fight can become quite a mess
indigo compass
anybody allready at max mirror?
agile charm
I'm just not sure how to handle her
I had great damage, but the exchanges in melee are not favourable
indigo compass
dont try to rush her and you will be fine
wait out her dash and dash to the side then hit her 2 or 3 times if u can back up a bit and try to repeat
her other moves are also pretty easy to dodge if u are patient enough
grave jackal
Anyone got any tips for the hydra? Reached it twice with the spear but im really struggling to deal with just how much damn health the thing has.
Mostly being trying to focus on getting a ton of big artemis crit boons by using her keepsake, but im not sure how good an idea that is
indigo compass
have u tried goin for artemis crit dash and extra crit dmg?
maybe together with some aphro boons
grave jackal
Thats basically what i had for my last attempt. Crit on normal attack + crit damage and Aphrodites passion dash
indigo compass
if u can get sweet surrender on top of that would be nice:p
grave jackal
Ayy, ill try. But rng is a cruel mistress :P
indigo compass
or could try goin for a cast build like artemis cast if u can get that with everything can crit they can deal with the heads pretty quikly
but then i would say keep your cast for the heads
grave jackal
I've never really used the cast much, it always seemed unreliable to focus on it when its got limited ammo
indigo compass
cast is becoming my go to for alot of things:p
grave jackal
Like what do i do when im out of bloodstones? If i focus on upgrading that then im not gonna be able to fight longer battles
gleaming void
4 bloostones is enough imo
indigo compass
if u have the 4 thats enough allready
with a decent cast dmg u can kill a hydra head with 4 max
gleaming void
and if you tumble upon a rare/epic upgrade for the cast it becomes deadly
indigo compass
yeah if you have the any dmg can crit it cn crit up to 500easily
grave jackal
Ill try building that then for a change, any gods that have particularly good casts?
indigo compass
artemis
grave jackal
She seems like the best one overall XD
indigo compass
its seeking aswell:p so prety easy to use
other cast can be good too tho, like zeus is allright cuz it bounces betweent multiple targets
poseidon has the knockback
and aoe aswell
grave jackal
I actually dont really like the knockback. It feels like it just pushes enemies out of the way of where i can murder em better
indigo compass
i like knock in tartarus not so much in asphodel:p
grave jackal
Ye, i can see it working in tartarus. But like there aint the walls to slam against in asphodel
agile charm
Wait, Artemis is the best? o_O
I've been fishing for Athena/Aphrodite for damage boosts
pastel jolt
at least as far as the bow is concerned, artemis and aphrodite are the best - aphrodite's best overall bc that damage boost, but artemis can give you hunter's dash
if you're going with the bow you already want to be dashing around for the faster charge time and for the damage bonus from mirror upgrades, so hunter's dash giving you free crits for just doing what you're already doing is pretty sweet
fiery iron
Same for spear, cause charge dash combo, but Artemis isnt great for sword or shield
agile charm
I've just been spamming Javelin toss, so I guess weaving dash/bow might be a more effective playstyle
I'll give it a go!
fiery iron
Ah I never use that thing, unless I get the bonus damage to armor from hammer
Yeah Artemis dash plus spear is one of the most OP things right now
agile charm
I haven't even been making effective use of the dash with spear. Which Artemis perk is so good?
Also, are locked hearts gated by conversations or just not implemented yet?
ocean halo
Hunter's Dash
fiery iron
Not implemented, and the way you use dash with spear is to full charge your normal attack then dash in
Has stupid high base damage, combined with guaranteed crit from Artemis dash, throw in any % damage boon on normal attacks
neon horizon
Oh I'm playing with spear now and didn't know you could charge into dash
now I tried it and it's amazing
agile charm
Any special tactics with the bow, or just spam fire it and dash away?
fiery iron
Then if you get the crits do more to armor boon from Artemis, you literally one shot every enemy in the game
Depends on build, you can do a special build where you dash right up to enemies and special them, or just dash fire dash
ocean halo
@agile charm if you get hammer go for triple shot
fiery iron
Hammer upgrades on bow are really good, really depends which one you get to decide which build to use
agile charm
Hammer seems nuts in general
I took the fast attack on sword and it was great
And I imagine the 400% damage one is pretty good as well
ocean halo
If you get triple + hunter dash its basically auto win
fiery iron
Pretty meh on shield, ok on spear, nuts on sword and bow imho
agile charm
What's the room with a ! surrounded by three orbs?
autumn yarrow
you talk to sisyphus and you can get darkness, gold, or health
this is in tartarus right
agile charm
Yeah
Rapid, Point Blank, and Steady shot
Those are three options I really didn't want
autumn yarrow
classic
agile charm
Guess I take rapid 🤷
agile charm
Rapid was a mistake :/
fiery iron
Lol both are real good, at least not a bad decision
wintry moon
Huh, I'm surprised I've managed to breeze through Tartarus with the sword
Namely, using the artemis Athena's boon and Q
agile charm
Sword + damage is nuts until you get to Maegara
frail sparrow
How tf do u kill the hydra
hushed parrot
With weapons
wintry moon
I died there too lol
indigo compass
dang that bow is good, just beat meg on the third run on my new save file:)
but now asphodel with no quik temper or high backstab dmg:p not gonna last long:p
wintry moon
does the Q specials for weps work for quick temper
indigo compass
no
wintry moon
d'aw
I pretty much beat tartarus using only the sword special, got the 200% damage + aoe from daedalus on top of Athena's boon for that super safe space clear. Just had to get used to timing. Pretty solid 188 damage per button press
indigo compass
i am at hydra :p
this is gonna hurt:p
looks like everything is slightly easyer without mirror
in terms of how many enemies u get
neon horizon
I mean, I didn't even have good damage, the lifesteal just made everything fairly easy
could take all the challenges and hard rooms knowing I'd probably make it out with more HP than before
indigo compass
yeah u can just stand there and keep hitting :p
neon horizon
especially with weaken
neon horizon
and I had really bad damage
indigo compass
there is some form of scaling tho, pretty sure after allmost beating hydra in 3rd run
had like 50 dmg on my bowp
wintry moon
I wish I got that on my sword special
neon horizon
It was a good tool to have for the survive for a time rooms
wintry moon
if not lava, wallslam would've been sweet
wintry moon
RNG decided to give me zeus and Aphrodite on dash instead
neon horizon
and the skill itself was over 100
wintry moon
fumbled on hydra and dropped out
jade notch
people calling the shield bad, just have to start doing dash-strikes
shut wave
Oof, saw a reddit post about the sword's life drinker upgrade being too powerful, it definitely is. You can literally just mash attack and drain tank everything including last boss
The rest of your build doesn't even matter once you have it, crazy.
jade notch
its just so very slow
shut wave
Yeah, but you can pick up ares retaliation and other damage reflect or damage increase and let stuff die as you mash attack lol
dreamy jackal
Which god boon is best for shield right now?
full kelp
Poseidon i think
ocean halo
Artemis crits
ocean halo
others a practically the same
autumn yarrow
full kelp
Well, Poseidon's entire gag is knockbacks - more knockbacks, stun on wallslam, more damage on knockback, etc etc
and since the shield has built in knockback
autumn yarrow
everyone talking about lifedrinker, here I am with flurry blade
full kelp
it synergizes well
ocean halo
Fluffy blade is good
autumn yarrow
LOL FLUFFY BLADE
autumn yarrow
spear is good tho
jade notch
aphrodite attack dmg+damage suceptible
dreamy jackal
Alright, I’ll try Artemis
ocean halo
You can win with any weapon with Ares dashes
autumn yarrow
You can win with any weapon with anything
ocean halo
yup
jade notch
but always go for bone earring for asphodel
ocean halo
Why
ocean halo
I tend mostly to switch to other god's keepsake just to optimize build
jade notch
welp. i got a feeling most people here dont actually try to beat the game as fast as possible
so skull earring might not be a good choice
ocean halo
Well, good optimized build sometimes better then straight dmg buff on low hp
jade notch
true
but u only get a single random choice from the others
while skull earring is the actual best damage upgrade in the game
affecting all ur damage, as a multiplier
ocean halo
Well I get Crit dash from Artemis quite consistenly
Multiplayers in this game are broken as hell right now anyway
ocean halo
They will 100% change them, because they work too inconsistent
jade notch
then there is no possible better upgrade than skull earring
same goes for aphrodite cast build
ocean halo
Staying at 40% all time is not the best option either
jade notch
u dont have to
but health is a resource just like any other
and if ur actually good at the game, u dont need more than 40% hp
ocean halo
Well yeah, but those lags man
jade notch
and furthermore, when u get ur damage multiplier, most mobs wont be able to hit u
ocean halo
until game is optimized im not gonna risk it
jade notch
lags? o.O
ocean halo
I killed hydra no hit, but those fps drops just get me some times
jade notch
killing hydra without getting hit is veyr inefficient though
ocean halo
its not like i tried to
autumn yarrow
wait how is killing hydra without geting hit inefficient
ocean halo
it just happened
autumn yarrow
as soon as they release more content that should be the way to go
jade notch
its too slow
autumn yarrow
but it's not?
you just have to go behind it
if you dash through hydra head and stay on top of it for the most part you dodge most of it's damge
aside form when it does the slam
he doesn't turn his head when he uses his trueshot
polar tendon
just a noob question, are the 4 weapons you get the only weapons right now?
autumn yarrow
aside from the first phase
ocean halo
@polar tendon yup
autumn yarrow
yes
jade notch
but when fighting the secondary heads
and tryng to avoid damage
ull waste a lot of time dodging
instead of attacking
ocean halo
I tell you its not like i tried to dodge all damage intentionally
polar tendon
alright, i love the spear but cant seem to find the right build for it
autumn yarrow
the heads always do a charge and then their unique attack, and it's usually in rhythm
ocean halo
Build just was too good
autumn yarrow
with the main head, it's not that hard to just avoid a part and hit a different head or something idk
if you mean the lava, I do agree tanking the lava is probably fine, but the slams are something you want to dodge for sure
they displace you too and given some wonkiness in the game you can get sent somewhere really unexpected
polar tendon
talking aobut the lava map, the shield is so annoying to use in that map
it always goes out of bounce and dissapears
takes ages before you get it back
ocean halo
Well thats the price for easy tartarus
autumn yarrow
it was worse before
it would actually dissappear
and you have to wait until it randomly spawns in your hands again
polar tendon
LOL rip
autumn yarrow
yup
ocean halo
but effortless
agile charm
What's so great about the shield? Knockback + wall slam damage?
agile charm
I tried it the once and it didn't feel too impactful
agile charm
Ah, you just hit and run spam the Captain America thing?
autumn yarrow
I think it's just easiest and safest to play than some other ones
ocean halo
Yup
agile charm
I got hit with the block but that could just be me sucking
agile charm
Fast attack sword wants a word 😃
autumn yarrow
only certain things can be blocked
polar tendon
ye feel like most of the knockbacks are annyoing, tried spear + 130% distance + Poseidon X
monsters wre just flying around
LOL
autumn yarrow
only certain things can be blocked AND proc revenge damage
autumn yarrow
just go to controls
crude osprey
Ah yea. Im dumb lol
agile charm
I find I tank with the bow when I reach a room that forces a fight in enclosed space
Or I get a survival room and just can't kill them off quickly enough
agile charm
Haven't seen it yet, that might be my issue 😛
indigo compass
dont think i can complete a run with another weapon tbh
rly need alot of quik temper for those to work:p
agile charm
I've beaten Maegara once and I was gifted it
indigo compass
even without triple shot and i can mostly just fight survival rooms with the bow now for the most parts, unless its alot of louts wich take like 3 or more shots
agile charm
I'm lost when I don't have javelin spam to carry me
indigo compass
bow power shot just kills everything with crit dash:p
wispy moon
Life steal sword is OP
indigo compass
bow is more op:p
stiff axle
the problem with sword is you're not guaranteed life steal, but bow you can force the boons you want through keepsakes
agile charm
I'm decent
indigo compass
if u can line em up good perfect becomes very powerfull
specially with some decent crit on it
stiff axle
I pref perfect shot especially for bosses
indigo compass
idk man just used triple on hydra its pretty good
the heads were dead in 2 shots on a 6th run
stiff axle
6th run, dang
stiff axle
def agree bow was my first full clear but that was like run 40
indigo compass
shes highly exploitable with triple shot:p
just stay close and dash at the right times
keep firing at all times:p
got to hydra in 3 runs :p
stiff axle
since you're getting so close for triple shot I wonder if point blank would be dps increase
indigo compass
not allways:p depends on the situation
meg is just easy if u dont go to far
then she dashes alot
wintry moon
Get to know Meg more upclose, got it
indigo compass
and tbh triple shot makes boat and stuff alot easyer
stiff axle
when you did 6 runs, how many dashes did you have?
wintry moon
Asphodel was still a breeze with my sword special
I just didn't know what to do with hydra and I ran out of time, had to run errands irl
stiff axle
I wonder if anyone's cleared on one dash yet
indigo compass
its doable i think but
stiff axle
what was your build for sword special run?
errant narwhal
one dash?
indigo compass
meg alone is allready very annoying with 1 dash
wintry moon
deflect and triple dash
errant narwhal
dash upgrades lol
indigo compass
yes alma:p
wintry moon
that's literally it
indigo compass
i killed hydra 6 runs
wintry moon
I got aoe +200% on special as a bonus
indigo compass
once u know how op bow is its easy:po
errant narwhal
dino got to the hydra with a new save but not beat it yet afaik
indigo compass
wish i had recorded it:p
errant narwhal
so thats no mirror upgrades at all and only 3 gods to get boons of iirc
stiff axle
thanks for the info alma
indigo compass
yeah i dumped evrything in 2nd dash at first
then unlocked quik temper for bow to increase dmg
artemis keepsake
and crit :p
hydra dead:p
stiff axle
yeah artemis dash is my favorite
wintry moon
I accidentally brought Dusa's keepsake lol
stiff axle
of the dashes anyway
wintry moon
but she saved my butt a couple a times
indigo compass
also some points in backstab and cthonic vitality
autumn yarrow
anything with dusa isn't an accident
https://puu.sh/CiAS4/59e7f6c7c2.png almost done T_T
indigo compass
yeah i was done allready:(
stiff axle
@autumn yarrow is it always 50 and 100 for rare and epic upgrade?
indigo compass
u still got some to do:p it goes up to 50 percent:p
stiff axle
thanks, definitely going to be a long road but should make getting through next update a breeze
autumn yarrow
LOOOL poseidon's special with spear
ahahahahaha
it pulls in the big boys on the way back so they can hit you
indigo compass
ok now im curious if i can pull of hydra with one dash:p
stiff axle
good luck
stiff axle
don't forget to record!
hollow totem
Oh you doing base stat runs as well?
Theyre pretty difficult
Ngl
I started yesterday
autumn yarrow
nice
indigo compass
only hard part was boat
triple shot is op on hydra:p u can land all 3 shots at once
same for the heads:p
umbral fiber
hmm... trying out the bow and while yeah it's powerful, not very fun 😛
turbid needle
I mean bow is probably the safest weapon
Reliable damage from range and good AoE
But it's really boring imo
indigo compass
yeah i just wanted to get hydra own as fast i could on my 2nd save:p
tranquil steeple
Finally beat the hydra last night with the sword.
Checked the stats and I had three hydra kills. One with sword, one with bow.
That math didn't add up.
indigo compass
and dont think sword can even get me to hydra
sullen tree
what does the second part of the god keepsakes do exactly, I know the first parts makes the first boon you get come from that god
tranquil steeple
I've been going through all the weapons to try and beat the hydra with all of them. Managed it last night too. Beat the hydra on my next run with the shield, then again on the next run with the spear. I got real lucky with boons.
indigo compass
yeah allready beat with all weapons on my main save
just wanted to get from 0 to hydra as fast as possible