#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 169

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 8:54 PM

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but it comes back to you even in open space now

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I had difficulties in the second zone because there's no wall

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 8:55 PM

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They made that a lot better, yeah.

fluid moat Dec 14, 2018, 8:55 PM

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picking up a good dash could help a lot with special builds too, since Thunder Dash + Passion Dash are ridiculously strong right now, I heard poseidon dash is also good nnow

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 8:55 PM

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It used to be in the second zone you throw it...

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...then just don't have a weapon for waaay too long.

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 8:56 PM

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But the normal attack is way too good tho, you just need to push them skeletons on the lava

fluid moat Dec 14, 2018, 8:56 PM

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or just get an attack damage buff from a boon + artemis dash 😂

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 8:57 PM

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shield in 2nd zone usually was semi-afk for me

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 8:57 PM

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A good boost on the attack and you're set

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or maybe a poseidon blessing to toss the enemy in the lava

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 8:58 PM

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And shield + Poseidon swing can even push armored minions with dash+attack.
Get 2nd push and Wallslam Stun and 2nd zone becomes a joke.
Its not very strong vs. Hydra though.
But its doable.

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Oh I had a "bug" too, on the lava platform that moves

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Floating assets in 2nd zone anyone? :/

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 8:59 PM

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I had poseidon blessing on my attack and I pushed one of these shield crystal thingy behind a wall

rocky whale Dec 14, 2018, 8:59 PM

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I feel like you might need a hammer upgrade to get a really good special build going

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 8:59 PM

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it was stuck outside the platform and I couldn't kill him anymore

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(died before the end tho)

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:00 PM

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You can kill it by charging at it

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the next time it happens to you

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had it multiple times now

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:00 PM

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charge against the wall ?

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Yep.

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Right into it

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:01 PM

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K thanks !

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Like, holding the leftclick charge

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Is there any build that make the charge a real killer move ?

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I never really know of to use it

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Charge can be upgraded with attack boons and upgrades afaik

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Except against pack of mobs like during Meg summon phase

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Spear charge with manually 50% critical chance on meele attacks increases the charged aoe as well

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And I usually spam it as main attack, once I have the longer range or shorter charge time

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as it makes massive damage on armor

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:04 PM

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Does the arthemis dash works with the bull charge ?

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Like, is the critical buff still on after charging your attack ?

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(same question with the spin attack of the spear)

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:05 PM

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No. Its not a dash. Its a charge

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And I think the crit on dash is for leftclicks

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not for holding. Not 100% sure though

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:06 PM

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Since the patch I've noticed the occasional random MAJOR spike of damage out of nowhere, without seeing the cause of being hit.

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I don't know whether to submit it as a bug or feedback.

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:06 PM

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maybe if you have a high enough level

worn fulcrum Dec 14, 2018, 9:06 PM

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You probably can get Hunter Dash to work with a bull charge if it's leveled enough

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:06 PM

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with enough down time to charge up

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:06 PM

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Bug if it's not supposed to happen, or feedback because something's actually hitting me and I don't know what.

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Because to me I was just utterly destroyed by seemingly nothing.

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And used one of my resurrections.

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:06 PM

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record and find out 🤷

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:07 PM

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When I'd had like half health.

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:07 PM

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Yeah like with a lvl2 or 3 to have the time limit long enough

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:07 PM

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I don't know how to record things.

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:07 PM

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Have you got blown up by multiple bombs, looking like it was only one? :X

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I hate when that happens, as you dont have i-frames inbetween each explosion

pearl willow Dec 14, 2018, 9:07 PM

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are you using the shield with an ares boon?

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:07 PM

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Yes.

pearl willow Dec 14, 2018, 9:08 PM

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currently there's a bug where shield (when using Q I think) can apply the ares curse to yourself

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:08 PM

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What does Q bind to?

oblique karma Dec 14, 2018, 9:08 PM

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special

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Well that's bs.

oblique karma Dec 14, 2018, 9:09 PM

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@pearl willow its already been flagged

pearl willow Dec 14, 2018, 9:09 PM

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i'm aware

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:09 PM

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Yeah, they're just informing me it's a thing.

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Because it just ruined me pretty bad out of nowhere, twice. I feel like the run is killed over a ten second period from a glitch.

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:10 PM

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I always ask myself, what is binded to Q. Because I got it on mouse 4 🤔
Special it is though.

worn fulcrum Dec 14, 2018, 9:10 PM

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Well, yeah, glitches do happen in early access periodically

pearl willow Dec 14, 2018, 9:10 PM

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so for the time being just stay away from ares special with shield lol, not much more to be done about it currently unfortunately.

rocky whale Dec 14, 2018, 9:11 PM

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you could take athena or zeus with it, I think

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:11 PM

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It happens with the Poseidon boon also

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:12 PM

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lolololol

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:12 PM

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it might inflict weak onto yourself with Aphrodite

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:12 PM

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It literally just killed me.

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Murdered my last 30 health. I wonder what Hypnos is going to say.

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Was about to ask

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what hypno said

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Nothing unique.

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:12 PM

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hydra fight is hard if you let it spawn too many ads LOL

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it crashes your game

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:12 PM

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With a buffed boon it's pretty deadly

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:13 PM

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Too many ads?

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"Death is now 99% off."

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:13 PM

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the boneless guys

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there's like the eggs that count down

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from the green (?) heads

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:14 PM

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I love them. Kill them on sight and you're good

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:14 PM

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Killing them on sight is hard.

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:14 PM

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yea normally i'd agree

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but my build had too little damage

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and then my game just crashed xD

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:14 PM

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It's hard to get builds that deal that much damage.

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Like, really hard.

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Especially since the patch, I think.

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:15 PM

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Idk about that.

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:15 PM

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It's more like the boss are hard if you don't have a way to inflict big dmg

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:15 PM

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eh I find difficulty and time to kill as separate problems

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unless there's an enrage mechanic

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:16 PM

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I mean at this point even Meg still shouldn't be trifled with.

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Or if you don't have a way to inflict dmg without compromising yourself (zeus dash)

indigo scaffold Dec 14, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Heya! what are your best shield strats?

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:16 PM

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I won yeaterday with a Poseidon build, which is practically ineffective against hydra. My highest crit was 90

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Shield and poseidon :^)

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:16 PM

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best shield strat right now is to not play it until the special stops doing damage to you xD

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Shield with poseidon on the normal attacks maybe ?

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to bounce off anyone

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:16 PM

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If you get the Daedalus hammer and it gives you the one that doubles special damage on every bounce... I say go for that. Lol

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:16 PM

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maybe athena on the special ?

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:16 PM

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^ my most fav. build

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:17 PM

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@autumn yarrow Were the other weapons buffed in the patch?

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Because everything else felt underpowered in comparison.

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:17 PM

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The sword got buffed

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:17 PM

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bow got buffed a ton, perhaps over buffed

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sword feels really good now

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:17 PM

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Poseidon on shield with legendary boon, to double push away. Doesnt help against bosses though

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:17 PM

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Special is bigger

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:17 PM

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I'll give the bow a try then.

pearl willow Dec 14, 2018, 9:17 PM

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personally i almost never use special on any weapons unless i maybe get athena with sword/bow for deflect.

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:17 PM

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and enhanced dmg on the normal

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:17 PM

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i never played spear enough, but I think it's nerfed

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:18 PM

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I use the special on shield more than I use the other attacks, lol.

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:18 PM

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I use special as main attack on spear or sword, depending on my boons

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:18 PM

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It's pretty OP.

indigo scaffold Dec 14, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Cool, thank you. just got hydra to 40% with athena dash + attack and with aphrodite special, bit wierd but it was ´what i could get on the way

worn fulcrum Dec 14, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Shield special is just very safe

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:18 PM

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The normal bash with the shield is still viable af

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:18 PM

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the two times I thoguth I could beat hydra with shield tho funnily was with attack builds

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:19 PM

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T-Pose builds work like miracles and I killed hydra twice with swords special

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:19 PM

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T-pose to asserts dominance

worn fulcrum Dec 14, 2018, 9:19 PM

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You can kite and throw shield special and just not do anything else to win

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:19 PM

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Yes

indigo scaffold Dec 14, 2018, 9:19 PM

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ima try that, seems stronk

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:19 PM

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The sword special is way too good with the hammer buff

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200% area

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 9:19 PM

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I never have enough for the Aphrodite wall scroll. 😦

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lol

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:19 PM

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I won with shield several times. Zone 2 with Poseidon swings and double knockback is a cakewalk

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:20 PM

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Use Hypnos item Arkatox

indigo scaffold Dec 14, 2018, 9:20 PM

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i kinda wanna try the 400% slash sword on daedilus and rest aphrodite + artemis dash

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:20 PM

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empty pocket

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:20 PM

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asphos actually feels so much less tedious now that not every room is just armored units

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:20 PM

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@indigo scaffold Had 400% chop on Aphrodite and had 800 dmg crits

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:20 PM

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then you just take money and you should get to 500 before Meg

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:20 PM

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rekt hydra HARD. Was current patch

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I feel it got faster also

indigo scaffold Dec 14, 2018, 9:21 PM

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sounds fun 😃

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:21 PM

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I unlocked the Aprhodite wallscroll in the Charon Shop between the 2 zones

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:21 PM

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whats a decent build for the shield to kill hydra now?

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:21 PM

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I can recommend poseidon. But thats me :/

tawdry cairn Dec 14, 2018, 9:21 PM

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I got rekt hard by Hydra, put all my investment into trueshot. You need some ad clear for all the skeletons now

indigo scaffold Dec 14, 2018, 9:21 PM

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if they make an actual poster of aphrodite im getting that.

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:21 PM

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It may be hard with the bug no ?

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:21 PM

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the hydra head spawns are random right

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:22 PM

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i killed hydra prepatch using the damage amp aphro build

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:22 PM

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Idk. I barely use shields special, its semi-afk in zone 2. Or was.. its fixed now but I will never unlearn that lol

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:22 PM

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Don't think the shield bash/charge is useful against Hydra

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:22 PM

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the ares buff on special is nice, but its ocmpletely bugged

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:22 PM

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But the special may hurt you with dmg boost like Ares

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:22 PM

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What?

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:23 PM

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or bounce you around

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:23 PM

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Shield charge deflects hydras trueshot

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not the massive amount

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but the few she shots during add phase

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not deflect... but block

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:23 PM

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i've only beaten the hydra once with shield on new patch. and that was with the Ares dash dance build

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i nevere even attacked

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:23 PM

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Never got around the Hydra...

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I got midlife with a shield buf and a epic ares boon on the bash

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But only one third of its life with a sword build

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and that's it...

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:24 PM

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the new lifesteal on sword is completely bonkers

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:24 PM

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Killed her twice with shield, twice with sword, once with bow and twice with spear.

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:25 PM

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i did like 0 damage

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but i never died

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:25 PM

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Only got the game yesterday tho

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:25 PM

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Epic boons can be game changing

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:26 PM

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^

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:26 PM

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you missed out on some fun broken mechanics man

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zeus's legendary boon with speed sword

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is hilarious

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doubles your chain lightning effects

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coupled with insane attack speed

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10/10

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:26 PM

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wait can anyone confirm which boons even have chain lightning

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am I crazy or is it just sword attack

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:26 PM

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Epic Ares boon on the cast hits way too hard

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:26 PM

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only basic attacks have "chain lightning"

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all other effects have "lightning bolt"

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:27 PM

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yea okay that's what I thought

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:27 PM

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i need to leave feedback on that

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it's a bit confusing

worn fulcrum Dec 14, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Special also has chain lightning

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:27 PM

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not for chield and spear

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doesnt produce the lightning ball

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Wait what's the difference ?

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:27 PM

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that bounces

worn fulcrum Dec 14, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Spear special definitely has chain lightning

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:27 PM

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lightning bolt is essentially jutst bonus damage

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:27 PM

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see you say that but the spear special definitely is just a bolt

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:28 PM

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Lightning bolt is the effect of Zeus dash ?

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:28 PM

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chainlighntning creates a yellow ball that bounces and deals bonus damage

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@gleaming void yes

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:28 PM

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and chain lightning is like the cast ?

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ok i see thx

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:28 PM

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and I wish the cast counted but cannot confirm nor deny

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 9:29 PM

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The bow special is just bolt, it would be broken if it was chain lightning

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 9:29 PM

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When I hit home, I will definitively stream some Hades I think. I need to test more builds.

rocky whale Dec 14, 2018, 9:41 PM

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yay shield special bug fixed

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and passion dash/tidal dash nerfed

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I just got two legendaries in one run: Ares and Artemis

indigo compass Dec 14, 2018, 9:48 PM

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damn

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lucky

dull berry Dec 14, 2018, 9:48 PM

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hoh

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:48 PM

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would anyone know if there's a limit to the variance in boons you see

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like can you hit all gods in a run

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or are you always just gonna be within the same 2-3 or 4

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 9:50 PM

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You can hit all

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Tho ive noticed it tends to weigh towards 2

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:51 PM

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i'm just curious

indigo compass Dec 14, 2018, 9:51 PM

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yeah ts alot about luck:p

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sometimes u get crazy boons

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 9:51 PM

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Also im not sure if you can hit all from rooms alone, i think charon is the key

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:51 PM

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idk about 2 I feel like I think it's 2 cuase Iwould simply avoid 1, so it might actually be 3

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 9:52 PM

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He seems to be completely random

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 9:52 PM

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#h1-discussionshowerthoughts

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 9:52 PM

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By two i mean whatever 2 you pick

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After 2, future good boons weight towards them

proud storm Dec 14, 2018, 9:52 PM

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i hit all the gods at least once but thats cuz i had like 3 god trials in a run

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 9:53 PM

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Not including trials

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Yeh

proud storm Dec 14, 2018, 9:53 PM

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ah,

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 9:53 PM

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just had both Aphro and Artemis legendaries

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still lost shadegrief

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 9:53 PM

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Oof

indigo compass Dec 14, 2018, 9:54 PM

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better luck next time:)

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 9:54 PM

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I still need to beat hydra with stygius

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 9:54 PM

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I'll get the hang of it one of these days

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:54 PM

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is there a list of all legendary boons somewhere? ive only seen poseidon, zeus, aphro, and ares

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 9:54 PM

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I just had issues clearing the last hydra phase

indigo compass Dec 14, 2018, 9:54 PM

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try the wiki:p

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 9:54 PM

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I can tell you Artemis' lol

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 9:54 PM

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Yeah last hydra is the wall

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:54 PM

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@indigo compass what wiki lmao

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 9:55 PM

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as sick as the build was, it wasnt very good for bow

indigo compass Dec 14, 2018, 9:55 PM

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ppl have been working on it i believe

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 9:55 PM

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think for spear it would have been pristine

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 9:55 PM

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You gotta be able to tear down one of the sides fast

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 9:55 PM

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yeah i didnt have enough damage to spread around

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:55 PM

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if youre talking about this. https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Hades_(Game) it's still in the making not enough info yet

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 9:55 PM

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was too single target based

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Zeus help you if therez 2 lava boiz guarding the walls

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 9:56 PM

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yeah I think my next run is gonna be a zeus run

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Artemis has been really fun

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:57 PM

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zeus runs are p fun until you hit the hydra

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 9:57 PM

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her dialogue when you give the second gift is incredible

uneven shuttle Dec 14, 2018, 9:57 PM

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hades_Wiki has all the boons, @dreamy fractal

Hades Wiki

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 9:58 PM

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thank a bundle

neon arrow Dec 14, 2018, 10:00 PM

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I’m really happy with the last balance patch

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Things works soo good right now

bright mulch Dec 14, 2018, 10:00 PM

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That instant tidal nerf lol

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:00 PM

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im really glad i can use a shield without committing seppuku

neon arrow Dec 14, 2018, 10:00 PM

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Just finished sword run and bow run in like 5 attempts

bright mulch Dec 14, 2018, 10:00 PM

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Glad I got the op clear before the hammer came down

cyan crane Dec 14, 2018, 10:01 PM

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Getting stuck at Hydra, any tips?

marble fog Dec 14, 2018, 10:02 PM

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hey yeah i am new to hades as well

agile badger Dec 14, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Go ares leftclick on any weapon and upgrade that badboy with the pom powerups

marble fog Dec 14, 2018, 10:02 PM

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reached yesterday hydra and when the adds appear game crashed... but... wow this boss is hard or am i mistaken

neon arrow Dec 14, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Get all the death defy, don’t die before hydra, 140% dmg when below 40%, and just spam kill all heads

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Hydra really needs some practice before killing it

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:02 PM

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@cyan crane go ares and only upgrade your dash

agile badger Dec 14, 2018, 10:03 PM

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^or that

cyan crane Dec 14, 2018, 10:03 PM

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will try thanks 😃

agile badger Dec 14, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Or any dash and just upgrade that really

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Get as many boons or upgrade your main dps ones.

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Even the 20 damage from a zeus dash, if common rarity and no upgrades add up

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:04 PM

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question to all. what are your thoughts on bosses having armor so the bonus damage to armor boons are still relevant?

marble fog Dec 14, 2018, 10:04 PM

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btw just asking... my favourite weapon is the spear. is it a good weapon or overall bad... i really like the skills

indigo compass Dec 14, 2018, 10:04 PM

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bosses need to be somewhat challenging

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:04 PM

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@marble fog very good weapon

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especially in mobs

indigo compass Dec 14, 2018, 10:05 PM

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if u could just break him in a few strikes woulde be a little too much:p

short moat Dec 14, 2018, 10:05 PM

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Only time I made it to hydra was with spear so far

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:05 PM

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I dislike it tbh. I like armor as a mechanic, because some boons would be boarderline broken. But bosses have enough health and are immune to most stuff anyways.
I think one or two bosses could have armor instead though.

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:05 PM

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if you dont know you can charge your attack and dash to aoe in the new location

neon arrow Dec 14, 2018, 10:05 PM

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I can’t spear at all (facepalm)

marble fog Dec 14, 2018, 10:05 PM

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i really love hades. i hope ic an beat hydra before the enxt update. wanna be up to date haha

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:05 PM

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the only time its not valid

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 10:05 PM

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Spear is fun af

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:05 PM

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is if you have the shield boon on the dash which slows it down

cyan crane Dec 14, 2018, 10:05 PM

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free backstabs for days with spear

marble fog Dec 14, 2018, 10:06 PM

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and my last and weird question. could it be that the narrator of this game is the same as in darkest dungeon?

autumn tapir Dec 14, 2018, 10:06 PM

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no

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dd is wayne june

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this is logan cunningham

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Darn it

marble fog Dec 14, 2018, 10:06 PM

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yeah but the narrator sounded kind of similar

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Every time

indigo compass Dec 14, 2018, 10:06 PM

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the voice cast is in the credits if u wanna know whos who

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:06 PM

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I love the charge attack from spear. I abuse it so often

agile badger Dec 14, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Its broken imo

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Stupidly easy

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Yep

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 10:07 PM

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I actually never use it

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:07 PM

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T-Pose though

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 10:07 PM

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But now I learned the dash trick

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So I will use it much more

agile badger Dec 14, 2018, 10:07 PM

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dont get surprised if it gets removes

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removeD*Ä

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:07 PM

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Floating skulls die within a charged attack

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so I use it often and early

graceful bough Dec 14, 2018, 10:07 PM

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Literally one run ago we were all discussing things that were just fixed. That's super convenient. 😃

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:08 PM

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PSA dash trick also works with artemis dash crit. the attack applies after the dash. so if you charge it up and dash attack. it will 100% crit

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:08 PM

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The spin attack of the spear is a lifesaver

agile badger Dec 14, 2018, 10:08 PM

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artemis dash into any extra damage on left click and just upgrade that with a spear

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ez

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:08 PM

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Its my main attack somehow lol

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:08 PM

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it's the only attack of the spear that doesn't attack on a straight line

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:08 PM

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pre aphro nerf i got upwards of 1k damage aoe crits with aphro artemis comboes

uneven shuttle Dec 14, 2018, 10:09 PM

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What're your opinions on the Sunken Treasure boon? 🤔
It:
Doesn't list the amount it gives you, but it's:
30-60 Obols
1-3 HP
And a 10% chance of Ambrosia
(at common rank)

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Unlike Vast Riches, it also doesn't scale with your progression through the dungeon

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:09 PM

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And with the hammer upgrade fast spin its event better than T-pose

uneven shuttle Dec 14, 2018, 10:09 PM

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I feel like it's hands down the least useful boon

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:09 PM

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Spin attack is my most favorite, as you can adjust the amount you charge

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Also its absolutely broken against armor

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:10 PM

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May be broken with a poseidon boon

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to keep off any mob form closing the distance

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except the fatass

gilded depot Dec 14, 2018, 10:10 PM

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so does curse of pain w/ares just always have a chance to hit you back or is this a bug thing

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:11 PM

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With spear, I will take sunken treasure over knockback meele attacks always

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:11 PM

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Just a shield bug but it's fixed, at least i think

gilded depot Dec 14, 2018, 10:11 PM

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was usin it with aegis and tossed it out and died cuz of it lmao

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:11 PM

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Its supposed to be fixed. Restart and update your game

gilded depot Dec 14, 2018, 10:11 PM

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I'll have to check out the recent patch but thanks!

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:12 PM

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But yea just an aegis bug

gilded depot Dec 14, 2018, 10:12 PM

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that's good, I was like dang this ability is nice but if that's the drawback then oof

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:13 PM

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(happened with any effect on the special, the knockback of poseidon or the weak of aphrodite)

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:13 PM

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I dislike all of Ares boons :^)

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Hes my least favorite god

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:13 PM

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his cast can be pretty good

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 10:14 PM

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Curse of Agony is slept on

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especially after the buff

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:14 PM

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Its too slow and meele ranged for my liking and I use poseidon almost always (except sword and spear). The synergy is there, but its just too boring imo

gilded depot Dec 14, 2018, 10:14 PM

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his boons can be alright but they tend to clash a bit with the builds I like, curse of agony works p well with em tho

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ahh

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:14 PM

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pushing enemies back into the special is good dps though

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 10:14 PM

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I dont think anyone should go for an Ares run

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but he's got some good stuff

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:14 PM

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I don't like poseidon on the special of aegis

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 10:15 PM

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you can get some nutty cast buffs

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:15 PM

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the directions are too random

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it can get enemies closer to you

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:15 PM

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I can pick all of poseidons boons on anything really. Except meele attacks for spear and sword, as you either want to perma cc enemies with spear or make your combo with sword

gilded depot Dec 14, 2018, 10:16 PM

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that's the one I like the most, poseidon with the zeus dash is my fave run even tho it winds up super chaotic

turbid needle Dec 14, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Can you only gave one dash modifying boon at a time?

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:16 PM

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You can only get one boon for each skill at a time so far

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:16 PM

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@thin glacier poseidon buff on spear is really good for mob killing. Using the spin attack the wall slams and throwing enemies into lava is extremely helpful

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:16 PM

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One boon per skill

turbid needle Dec 14, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Also the one that takes away your max hp and heals every hit on the sword is insanly overpowered, you can literally tank anythign and just spam click. i tested it against the bone hydra.

autumn tapir Dec 14, 2018, 10:16 PM

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poseidon special buff on spear is great

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:17 PM

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@dreamy fractal Thats what I do with other builds. But with spear, I usually go for higher crit chance on meele swings, so that my charge can crit also :D

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Not too fond of the spear's special, might need a light dmg buff imo

turbid needle Dec 14, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Spear special is awful tbh

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Then its literally dash+hold leftclick and win the run

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:17 PM

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it's not about optimal builds

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its about the feeling of power

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knocking away 15 enemies at once with spin attacks

plush blaze Dec 14, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Spear special can be alright if you build for it, but why would you

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That's the same for most specials really

turbid needle Dec 14, 2018, 10:18 PM

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just saying they should nerf the health healing on each thrust

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:18 PM

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The spear special feels like a mosquito bite

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At least the shield special doesn't need any aim

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:18 PM

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@gleaming void build it for crit with artemis and aphro. the hammer buff for 100% crits makes it p fun

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Im not talking optimal builds also. But its counter intuitive for my spear and sword playstyle

uneven shuttle Dec 14, 2018, 10:19 PM

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@thin glacier Your crit on dash can work with the spin, too. Charge the spin, and dash while holding it.
Then you don't need crit on attack.

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 10:19 PM

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Bow special is really fun if you get athena and poseidon buffs

uneven shuttle Dec 14, 2018, 10:19 PM

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And can choose anything.

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:19 PM

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As I like to spam meele with them or max out damage on charged attacks / T-Pose

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:19 PM

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i honestly felt the same when i was using it. but trust me it's v fun

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give it a try

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 10:19 PM

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But all the other specials are pretty meh in my experience

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:20 PM

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I will give it a try. Again.

short moat Dec 14, 2018, 10:20 PM

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What's T-Pose?

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:20 PM

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if you can go for the aoe buff for spin instead of speed too

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Sword's special

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:20 PM

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T-Pose is the sword special

short moat Dec 14, 2018, 10:20 PM

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oh ok

indigo compass Dec 14, 2018, 10:20 PM

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ah nova:p

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Its efficiently a T-Pose and you assert your dominance with it

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:21 PM

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The shield special is just absolute bonkers with the hammer bounce boost and a dmg boost

short moat Dec 14, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Haven't tried it after the patch, but when I tried using it I would always get hit 😦

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:21 PM

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You just throw it and watch

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:22 PM

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You need good timing and you also need to instantly dash away against armored minions

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:22 PM

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still very usable in the 2nd zone against pack of mobs

short moat Dec 14, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Yes, I love me some shield throwing

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Shield throwing will never be the same, now that shield-senpai doesnt go afk in zone 2.

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I need to build around it now lol

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I need to build around bows special also @_@

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:25 PM

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The bow works better on groups of enemies now that it goes through them but I still have difficulties dealing with great numbers

gleaming quiver Dec 14, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Bow's special is nice, but very dependent on the hammer upgrade. If you don't get it, you can basically throw you run

exotic hazel Dec 14, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Bow q builds are amazing

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Nothing can touch you

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Deflect, pushback, crit

worn fulcrum Dec 14, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Crit damage seems to be broken right now

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:25 PM

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It must be horrible to play a bow against the great numbers in the 2nd zone

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(without the hammer upgrade)

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:26 PM

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bow has innate piercing now

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its not too bad

worn fulcrum Dec 14, 2018, 10:26 PM

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It's additive +100% instead of double, it seems

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:26 PM

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hammer upgrade has been replacd with sometehing else

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i think its 100% bonus damage to armor

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:27 PM

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200% arrows on special is the best hammer upgrade on the bow imo

turbid needle Dec 14, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Do attack Boons work on the spears spin attack?

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:27 PM

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i like the 250% powere shot

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Yes

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Same for the bull charge of the shield

turbid needle Dec 14, 2018, 10:27 PM

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And also in the future i really hope that we will be able to take more than one boon per slot, what do you think the chances are of that being able to happen?

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:28 PM

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highly unlikely that would be insanely broken

gleaming void Dec 14, 2018, 10:28 PM

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Unlikely imo, it would be a lot of fun but the game would be too easy

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:28 PM

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maybe if the following boons had diminishing effects liek 50% 25% then it'd be balanced

gleaming quiver Dec 14, 2018, 10:29 PM

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I'd kinda break the purpose of making choices for your build

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:29 PM

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I like fast shots and no charge time

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add it with zeus attack

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and you got some spammage going

dreamy fractal Dec 14, 2018, 10:30 PM

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does anyone know if triple shot bow with zeus produces 3 chain lightning?

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:30 PM

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Or poseidon and people cant touch you

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No it produces 1

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already tested

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was highly disappointed :(

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Hypnos also was wrong. Wasnt the hydra that killed me, but my overwhelming demotivation to win

harsh kelp Dec 14, 2018, 10:40 PM

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When an Aphro boon gives you +69% damage

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;)

flint totem Dec 14, 2018, 10:42 PM

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nice

dense fossil Dec 14, 2018, 10:47 PM

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got an unexpected but really great synergy a minute ago

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bow with the longer charging upgrade + hunter's dash

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which somehow resulted in every time i fired after i dashed even without charging i did 250+ damage

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i think i did like 500+ damage with a power shot it was godly

static field Dec 14, 2018, 10:53 PM

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does the 10% darkness buff that tags on weapons favour the bow and sword? Is it a unfiform probaility? anyone with large data know?

dire crystal Dec 14, 2018, 10:53 PM

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its random

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so uniform yeah

rugged horizon Dec 14, 2018, 10:58 PM

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are the hammers limited to one?

dire crystal Dec 14, 2018, 10:58 PM

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as far as ive seen yes but its possible they are just rather rare

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check the wiki if you want 😛

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 10:59 PM

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@dire crystal 116 runs

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finally home so I can check

dire crystal Dec 14, 2018, 11:00 PM

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dang!

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3x mine lol

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:00 PM

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How can I make a screenshot? D:

dire crystal Dec 14, 2018, 11:00 PM

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printscreen

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:00 PM

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doesnt work

dire crystal Dec 14, 2018, 11:00 PM

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😛

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it does if you tab out then tab back in and press it

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tis how ive been doin it

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:01 PM

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oh worked this way lol

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Ahw, cant upload D:

dire crystal Dec 14, 2018, 11:02 PM

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post it to yourself in like pm discord

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and then copy the link

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😛

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:02 PM

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good workaround lol

dire crystal Dec 14, 2018, 11:02 PM

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i saw someone else do it and copied them

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:02 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/505853920866861058/523273675395432463/unknown.png

dire crystal Dec 14, 2018, 11:03 PM

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nice.

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Its all about the game now

dire crystal Dec 14, 2018, 11:03 PM

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oh for sure lol

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i wonder the fastest i could speedrun this rn

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fastest to beat hydra yknow?

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Dash+Attack I think

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Its mobility and damage

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and sword has double crit viability

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so you could go for that and upgrade your meele swings

dire crystal Dec 14, 2018, 11:04 PM

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nah i just mean like, what would be the time not the strategy 😛

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i might stream some attempts at that in a minute

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:04 PM

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idk, I can check. I usually go pretty fast. Wanted to stream in a bit also

dire crystal Dec 14, 2018, 11:04 PM

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nice!

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dual streaming lol

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blood gates are your friend for sure

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since its a free room skip

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:12 PM

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in front of miniboss, 71% crit on special with sword and also hunting missiles as cast

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looks promising

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T-Pose for the win

gleaming quiver Dec 14, 2018, 11:13 PM

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Best move in the game 👍

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:13 PM

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after spear charge >:D

gleaming quiver Dec 14, 2018, 11:13 PM

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No 😠

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Well, I have to conside that... I got a Spear run with like, 70% crit chance and huh...~200% crit damage

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:14 PM

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Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man.

gleaming quiver Dec 14, 2018, 11:14 PM

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The spear spin was doing its job

thin glacier Dec 14, 2018, 11:15 PM

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SuddenLebowski

autumn yarrow Dec 14, 2018, 11:22 PM

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bossly dang you have like 5x my playtime 😦

toxic sinew Dec 14, 2018, 11:39 PM

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Question. What is considered a "trap" in Asphodel? Is there anything?

turbid needle Dec 14, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Does spear have knockback with regular attack

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and what's its base attack

night pasture Dec 14, 2018, 11:41 PM

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man, the bow sucks

toxic sinew Dec 14, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Bow is amazing, what do you mean?

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@turbid needle Do you mean base damage? Because that's 15 I believe

turbid needle Dec 14, 2018, 11:42 PM

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spin attack damage?

toxic sinew Dec 14, 2018, 11:42 PM

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50 partial charge, 100 full charge

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IIRC

turbid needle Dec 14, 2018, 11:42 PM

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ill throw it in for now xD

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if someone else knows the value they can change it

boreal zephyr Dec 14, 2018, 11:43 PM

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@toxic sinew I'm guessing they are things that can damage you but are not enemies: spike trap, exploding vases, lava spots, maybe even the lava too

toxic sinew Dec 14, 2018, 11:43 PM

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And I think special is 20 going out and coming back

turbid needle Dec 14, 2018, 11:43 PM

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and default attack has knockback?

night pasture Dec 14, 2018, 11:43 PM

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Even with the new piercing, it has no crowd control

toxic sinew Dec 14, 2018, 11:43 PM

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I don't know if it has knockback but it does stagger. I'm in a run right now but I can test it once I finish. You looking to see if it wallslams?

night pasture Dec 14, 2018, 11:43 PM

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in the meg fight I always spend all my time trying to clear mobs and then get maybe two shots on meg before she summons more

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and if I don't clear mobs, then they smack me about when I'm trying to dash out of her floor pool attacks

toxic sinew Dec 14, 2018, 11:44 PM

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@night pasture Invest in more dashes, if you haven't already. Makes dodging Meg pools trivial

proper trench Dec 14, 2018, 11:44 PM

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try to dash attack a bit, makes life a lot easier

night pasture Dec 14, 2018, 11:45 PM

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I've got +2 dashes, it either slams me into mobs, or if I've been clearing mobs, I get maybe two attacks on meg

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maybe I'm just not patient enoguh to wear her down that way

toxic sinew Dec 14, 2018, 11:46 PM

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I never really have much issue with other mobs during Meg. Maybe try lining up Meg with other enemies for piercing?

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Otherwise you can sometimes kite her towards an empty corner

night pasture Dec 14, 2018, 11:46 PM

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it's not so much the mobs themselves as I find myself dashing through waves of witch projectiles

proper trench Dec 14, 2018, 11:47 PM

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you can shoot them down

night pasture Dec 14, 2018, 11:47 PM

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if Istop to shoot, meg's pools eat me

toxic sinew Dec 14, 2018, 11:47 PM

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I guess my only suggestion then is make sure you're power shotting everything, clear clumps of witches, then just ignore the rest. And just focus on dodging during her pool attack; attacking then just gets you hit

proper trench Dec 14, 2018, 11:48 PM

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if you are dash attacking you can get the timing down to attack once between dashing out of the pools each time... that being said I have been playing all day... >.>

night pasture Dec 14, 2018, 11:48 PM

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no I'm going back to the sword

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that's what I'm doing

proper trench Dec 14, 2018, 11:48 PM

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that also works

pearl willow Dec 14, 2018, 11:58 PM

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saw this mentioned earlier i think, the zeus legendary does work with the zeus cast. i think quite well actually. it seems like each bounce spawns a lightning 'orb' that just projects out from the target. not sure if they pierce or not but it results in pretty solid AoE.

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 12:11 AM

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I think sword with lifesteal is just cheating. I played like moron, right click and space with a little strategy, killed hydra with no problem. I got out-healed the damage.
probably should change that

proper trench Dec 15, 2018, 12:11 AM

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yeah, I had so many at once point that the entire game slowed down 😄

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im thinking that there is an exploit with it. I could do my third swing and then dash into things and get more than 10% life back

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 12:13 AM

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Yes, I killed my first hydra with the lifesteal. I didn't even get any health upgrade. Died a couple time I think, but that's not a big deal since you can revocer to full from 20HP

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 12:13 AM

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I stand face-to-face with hydra (under his head) and just attack him. his ranged attack wont be able to reach me, when I do backstab damage all the time.

hidden condor Dec 15, 2018, 12:13 AM

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Does anyone know if the game can be played on mac for early access?

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 12:14 AM

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@hidden condor go tech support bro

hidden condor Dec 15, 2018, 12:14 AM

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no one is answering @harsh goblet

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Thought i'd just give it a shot

proper trench Dec 15, 2018, 12:15 AM

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you waited a single minute before coming here. give them a bit of time 😄

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 12:16 AM

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or you can PM them personally @hidden condor

hidden condor Dec 15, 2018, 12:16 AM

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I did that too, via email if thats what you mean

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Yeah @proper trench 😅 a little impatient haha

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 12:17 AM

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normally I expect 24hrs for email. I am talking about chatting with him, I did last time I reported an issue

hidden condor Dec 15, 2018, 12:17 AM

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Um, is there a particular person in the discord you are reffering too?

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 12:19 AM

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be patient, they are probably out for dinner xD

hidden condor Dec 15, 2018, 12:19 AM

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I'm also just downloading discord to ask the question 😛

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So still unfamiliar with most of the interface

proper trench Dec 15, 2018, 12:19 AM

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I would scroll up in the tech channel and see who is answering that is part of the admin groups and then PM them

hidden condor Dec 15, 2018, 12:20 AM

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That is a good idea @proper trench , thanks ❤

proper trench Dec 15, 2018, 12:20 AM

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I may or may not be tech support myself. just not for supergiant 😄

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 12:20 AM

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do you know any better way to beat hydra than sword lifesteal?

proper trench Dec 15, 2018, 12:21 AM

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better? no. but a shield thrown with extra damage after a little bit of time can also nuke it

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just have to learn where to stand to get the best bounces

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 12:21 AM

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1 bounce per enemy? or as many as it counts

proper trench Dec 15, 2018, 12:22 AM

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I went with 4. had to wait a bit when it was just the hydra, but after a bit it went down. after I learned all its patterns I wasnt in any danger unless the extra heads and adds popped uo\p

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I want to stack the 4 hits with the 100% extra damage each hit, but im sure they wont both show up 😄

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 12:23 AM

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well it would take forever. 15 base damage per bounce 😦

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i didnt know an enemy can take multiple hit from a throw... i will check it out when they fix the shield bug

flint totem Dec 15, 2018, 12:24 AM

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They fixed the shield bug today?

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 12:25 AM

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You mean the one that got fixed two hours ago?

harsh kelp Dec 15, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Just won with an Ares build

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First win

flint totem Dec 15, 2018, 12:25 AM

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grats

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Ares's sawblades are great against hydra yeah

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I forgot about that

harsh kelp Dec 15, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Curse of Agony doing 114 is great

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I didn't even have the blade rifts lmao

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Both my cast and dash were zeus

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Oh, okay

harsh kelp Dec 15, 2018, 12:26 AM

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It was the worst build ever

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To be honest

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But it worked!

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 12:26 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

toxic sinew Dec 15, 2018, 12:27 AM

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@turbid needle Just tested with the spear: The damage numbers I gave you are correct, and none of the spear's attacks or special have any knockback.

turbid needle Dec 15, 2018, 12:27 AM

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Awesome, thanks!

toxic sinew Dec 15, 2018, 12:28 AM

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No problem :D

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Not sure if this is relevant, but I did find that the hitstun from a single jab with the spear appears to confirm a half-charged spin attack followup on unarmored enemies.

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 12:30 AM

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Depending on the enemy you probably can do a full charge with the hammer upgrade

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Haven't tested it though, I often stay away before doing a spin

toxic sinew Dec 15, 2018, 12:30 AM

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Which hammer upgrade?

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 12:31 AM

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The one that speed up the spin charge

toxic sinew Dec 15, 2018, 12:31 AM

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I'll do a spear run here and see if I can confirm that, cause now I'm curious

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Dang, didn't roll it on the hammer. Guess I'm trying again :P

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 12:37 AM

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i will trying to do a shield build. does anyone know bow's build?

toxic sinew Dec 15, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Ooh, something interesting to note that I haven't noticed before: The dash attack damage bonus from the mirror doesn't apply to the spin attack if you dash to release it.

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 12:39 AM

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I believe it used to but they fixed/nerfed it

toxic sinew Dec 15, 2018, 12:47 AM

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@gleaming quiver Alright, full charge spin attack is never confirmed from hitstun, even with sped up charge from hammer.

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 12:48 AM

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Too bad :/

toxic sinew Dec 15, 2018, 12:48 AM

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It's close, but not quite. Enemies with slower attacks will likely still be susceptible to it

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 12:56 AM

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just got my 11th hydra kill

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did a spear special build :p wasnt the most powerfull but quite handy for the heads

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 12:57 AM

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lol beat hydra first time last night

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got on today

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get to hydra all 3 runs, and kill twice

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 12:58 AM

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nice

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 12:58 AM

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MinaFeels

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 12:58 AM

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took me 4 trys to get him

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but yeah mostly had low hp when i entered the room:p

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 12:59 AM

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to me for whatever reason spear is still the hardest

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I gues my brain can't process the moveset

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 12:59 AM

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havent had the best runs with spear either:p

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 1:00 AM

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Did someone tried the Poseidon's boon that puts knockback effect on normal Attack on something else than the Shield?

cerulean halo Dec 15, 2018, 1:00 AM

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yeah spear is pretty bad. no push back, special not really interesting and charge made you not able to moove.

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 1:00 AM

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for some reason i allways miss dash strikes with spear:p

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 1:00 AM

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yeaaa

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same dude

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 1:00 AM

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but the special is kinda nice

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can pierce like a bow:p

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then backstab with coming back

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can often one shot 2 skullomats if they are in a good line

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:02 AM

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im calling the police
http://prntscr.com/lv5sg5

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cerulean halo Dec 15, 2018, 1:02 AM

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recall made it pretty slow to use. i like dash everywhere tbh x)

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 1:02 AM

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with some upgrades the spear special is pretty strong

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 1:03 AM

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I always feel like it's almost good enough

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But the tiny bit of delay just makes it feel bad

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 1:03 AM

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fiels very satisfying to pull off some big kills:p

cerulean halo Dec 15, 2018, 1:03 AM

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i should maybe try. thx for the tips ^^

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 1:03 AM

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feel*

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:15 AM

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I hade a better run

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had ares, and zeus legendary

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along with blade dash and cast

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it was actually free

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there was no way I could lose even with my eyes closed

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:17 AM

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what does ares legendary do

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:17 AM

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the blades suck people in

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:17 AM

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heh

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:17 AM

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its dumb

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and actually broke

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 1:17 AM

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does anyone know what skill work well with shield beside poseidon's boon

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:17 AM

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i like ares dash so much

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new one\

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but can't help but feels its' damage is pretty mediocre

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 1:18 AM

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yeah ares dash is pretty cool

worldly warren Dec 15, 2018, 1:18 AM

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With shield? Aphrodite's attack one is good

static field Dec 15, 2018, 1:18 AM

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artemsi crit dash

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if there are some levels in it, there is time to dash attack, charge up and have max dash with crit

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:18 AM

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arte is just not fair

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800+ strikes

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big oof

static field Dec 15, 2018, 1:19 AM

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imo the level of other gods should be raied to match artem

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 1:19 AM

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wait, what is legendary?

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:19 AM

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Ehh I think currently the only gods that need buffs are

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Athena

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:19 AM

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orange boon, super rare

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:19 AM

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and poseiden

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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athena is fine imo. maybe remove the delay on dash but thats it

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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😮 I havent seen any of it

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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same

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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athena is only good for like

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normal attack deflects

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and maybe special

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then its whatever

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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I wonder what is the drop chance for each tier

static field Dec 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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i think athena is good with her attack booster and poesidon will i think be better i n general with more content to dig further with his blessing. I thinkt he weakest is the war god one. the one with the red trident. really weak stuff i think in general

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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kinda dissapointing

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Ares?

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Hes dumb strong

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actually hard carries runs

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 1:21 AM

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I find athena and hunter are pretty nice in general

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:21 AM

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you only need rift dash

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and maybe rift cast

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:21 AM

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aphrodite is the alpha beyotch

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:21 AM

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Aphro is meh.

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:21 AM

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😮

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:21 AM

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she's the high mid tier

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respectable

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and never something youll be like sad about

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:22 AM

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posey is good for farm tho 😄

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also kb on shield ricochet is fire

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but useless on bosses

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:23 AM

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The thing is you cant bring him into bosses

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and he's one of the worst gods to stack boons with

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and boon stacking is the meta

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:23 AM

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honestly with how super casual game is atm talking about meta is amusing

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:24 AM

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Because Gods have a system where the more boons you get from the same god in a single run the more you can unlock there better misc boons

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Yeah its called Boon progression

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its on the Wiki

proper trench Dec 15, 2018, 1:25 AM

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there is a wiki? o.O

static field Dec 15, 2018, 1:25 AM

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oyrahh we have comepltely differnt play styles i htink. imo here is my rating for gods: Tier S rush every first keepsake: Art. Tier A: Athena, APhordite, and Poesidon (but i think only because of farming, not for pwoer or anything). Tier B: The rest. I think its like this because crit into attack scaling is so powerful. While lightning and chain and curse damage are fun, I think they are secondary to the power of scaling

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:26 AM

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Nah Artemis at the top is agreed upon already

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Athena

Hades Wiki

Athena

Athena is the Olympian Goddess of wisdom and strategic warfare. She will sometimes grant Boons to Zagreus that cause his abilities to deflect enemy attacks.

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@proper trench

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I think aphro and poseiden are weak because there boon progression is terrrible for late game

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I'm okay with weak builds at the start because you can build them up into their ledgendaries easily

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and theyre ledgends hard carry

static field Dec 15, 2018, 1:29 AM

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Pyrahh If you mean boon progression in the sense that you can never be offered an owned boon then yes stacking boons form the same diety open you up to seeing the boons, but if you mean there are additional bonuses besides meeting potential prereqs for unlokcing potential legendaries, tell me

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:31 AM

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YOu need to meet pre-req's

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I think athena's attack boon is prolly the best in the game

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But after that

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you really dont want to get another athena boon

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Poseiden has high points but they're all too rare and usually require his meh boons

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I dont think knockback is good

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its a Tartarus boon

thin glacier Dec 15, 2018, 1:33 AM

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What, why?

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:33 AM

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mainly just because it takes the slot of another attack boon

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:33 AM

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For the record, I called it boon progression on the tables, but the closest thing it has to a name in the files is "Linked Upgrades"

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But they do end up acting as a progression tree.

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LinkedUpgrades = { ZeusBonusBounceTrait = { OneOf = { "ZeusSecondaryTrait", "ZeusWeaponTrait", "ZeusRangedTrait"}, }, ZeusChargedBoltTrait = { OneOf = { "ZeusBonusBounceTrait" }, } },

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As an example

thin glacier Dec 15, 2018, 1:35 AM

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Welp, my most favorite combo is Shield and Poseidon attacks, loving the walls in zone 2

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:35 AM

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I might rename it on the Wiki, but it's a mechanic that isn't explained and has no stated name in-game, so, not sure

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:35 AM

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I knew about it even if it wasnt stated

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You kinda realize when you stack boons and do like really fun silly runs

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:37 AM

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With some of them it makes sense (can't have bonus bounces if you don't have any bounce boons to begin with), but then you have issues like ZeusSecondaryTrait there allowing you to get bonus bounces (despite it not bouncing), and bonus bounces being a prerequisite for the Legendary (which works even with the non-bounce ones), so...

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:38 AM

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I have gotten the extra bounces w/o bounce boons before and it does not make sense

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but overall there still is a general feeling of progression

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:38 AM

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I feel like new players are VERY unlikely to get Legendaries if they don't know what else they need to do for them to even have a chance of showing up.

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:38 AM

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Zeus has been the only one that didnt sync up well

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:39 AM

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I think the reason for that, is the description for the secondary trait says it bounces, but it actually doesn't.

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:39 AM

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every other god flows reasonably so in my experience

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:39 AM

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Seems there was a mixup at some point.

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:39 AM

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maybe

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:40 AM

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Some are a bit weird. You need extra damage on crit or extra damage vs. armor on crit, if you want Artemis' legendary.

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Which spawns 'True Shot projectiles', but has nothing to do with actually picking up true shot (since it applies to attacks, not casts)

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 1:40 AM

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wait is taht a progression tree or is that not just which boons actually work with that's listed

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:41 AM

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LinkedUpgrades = { ArtemisBonusProjectileTrait = { OneOf = { "ArtemisRangedTrait" }, }, ArtemisCriticalTrait = { OneOf = {"ArtemisWeaponTrait", "ArtemisRushTrait", "CritBonusTrait", "ArtemisSecondaryTrait"} }, CriticalBufferMultiplierTrait = { OneOf = {"ArtemisWeaponTrait", "ArtemisRushTrait", "CritBonusTrait", "ArtemisSecondaryTrait"} }, ArtemisSupportingFireTrait = { OneOf = {"CriticalBufferMultiplierTrait", "ArtemisCriticalTrait"}, } },

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:41 AM

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Idk that makes sense to me tho

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support fire isnt a cast buff

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its an attack buff

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so you need to stack attack buffs

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:42 AM

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You could draw it as a progression tree.
I know, but it also has nothing to do with crits, per se.

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:42 AM

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True but art only has crit

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outside of cast for the basic boons

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:43 AM

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I know at the start, a lot of people just assumed her Legendary was a low probability find that didn't depend on anything, so I'm pointing out that, while it mechanically doesn't depend on those attributes like Zeus', Aphridote's or Ares', it still does progression-wise.

flint totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:43 AM

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I have been wondering what the requirements for Atemis

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Well ares is I guess blade rift and a blade rift upgrade of some kind I am guessing

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:43 AM

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Yeah it can be a bit confusing a bit

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I kinda intuitivly grasped what was needed

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but I can understand why some would not notice

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espcially with the support fire

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and zeus

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But I think its still pretty easy to notice that stacking more artemis boons gets you better boons

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:45 AM

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Yeah, Turns out the probability of finding Legendaries is relatively high. But you need the prerequisites, which is why so many people go so many runs without getting any (and don't know why).

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So I made tables

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:46 AM

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They help

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Now i can be more specific

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:52 AM

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http://prntscr.com/lv64m3
what even

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how does that even work

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:53 AM

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0.7 seconds after you hit them, they get knocked back. Again.

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I didn't check what determines the direction, though.

turbid needle Dec 15, 2018, 1:53 AM

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Too bad bosses can't get knockbacked

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:53 AM

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got it before hydra so rip test

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 1:53 AM

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I just got it in my previous run, it was bad

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:54 AM

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Nice pfp

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Kekkai sensen 👌🏿

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:54 AM

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It's really funny in Asphodel, but not particularly good

static field Dec 15, 2018, 1:55 AM

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pyhra if you got a zueses legendary boon wihtout meeting the prereq then there foes the pre req theory

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 1:55 AM

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Well, the run before that was a shield run with Poseidon's knockback on Attack... I don't know if it's bugged or if it's the usual behavior, but any enemy hit would fly off the screen, most likely at the edge of the map

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Was way funnier than the Poseidon's legendary

fallen lintel Dec 15, 2018, 1:56 AM

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tried flurry thunder blade, decent but as expected it's lacking on single target damage on its own

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clears rooms super fast though

static field Dec 15, 2018, 1:56 AM

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poesidons knockback hoenstly feel suesless because it does not do anything to help with the boss. i imagine the more content that comes out the more important it is to focus on bossing. the mobs in general are too easy

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:56 AM

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@static field He didn't say he got one without a prereq though?

static field Dec 15, 2018, 1:56 AM

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I have gotten the extra bounces w/o bounce boons before and it does not make sense
but overall there still is a general feeling of progression

quote from him

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:57 AM

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You misunderstand; there's a prereq that doesn't have bounces in it, but it is listed as an available prereq.

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 1:57 AM

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I went for a Special attack Shield build, so when I came across Poseidon, I took the one for my regular attack like "meh, won't use it anyway". Turned out to be the funniest thing I ever did

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:57 AM

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Possibly by mistake.

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:57 AM

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it is a pre-req it just doesnt make sense

static field Dec 15, 2018, 1:57 AM

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which one?

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:57 AM

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Like they progress that way

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:57 AM

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The Special one

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:57 AM

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but it doesnt do anything

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:58 AM

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It says it has chain-lightning, but it's actually just a single AoE lightning strike

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:58 AM

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well that was a weird run...
http://prntscr.com/lv6643

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uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 1:58 AM

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And it's in the pre-req table alongside the others

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:59 AM

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They fixed the sheild bug right?

thin glacier Dec 15, 2018, 1:59 AM

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Looks familiar haha

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they did

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:59 AM

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I havent been picking up sheild specials

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 1:59 AM

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Yeah it's fixed

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 1:59 AM

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Aight I guess I start doing that again

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 1:59 AM

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I tried an Ares Special build, was fun

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 1:59 AM

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dread flight + chain lightning + splitting bolt = watt

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 1:59 AM

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https://youtu.be/-ydEc-Ec5uk

YouTube

aolmenki

Survival Easy Mode

Found this easy hiding spot when doing survival. I always wondered why they designed the level like this...

▶ Play video

static field Dec 15, 2018, 1:59 AM

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which file was this information in btw

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:00 AM

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Ah, @azure swan 's post is a good example.
Lightning flourish doesn't chain. But it lets you pick up Chain Lightning.

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 2:00 AM

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lmao for this room you can just hide in the corner...

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:02 AM

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@autumn yarrow You got a bit lucky, they can spawn there. Usually do for me

azure swan Dec 15, 2018, 2:02 AM

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also new poseidon dash is 👌

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 2:02 AM

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nah see you just kite them until it hits the monster cap

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and then they stop spawning so you can hide there

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genius

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:02 AM

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I suppose that works. Just gotta kill any that spawn there by chance, then they probably won't respawn right on top of you

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Hope you don't get any Witches or Brimstones though

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The all-big-boyz Survival rooms are always funny

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Oh, @static field, it's in LootData.lua

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 2:24 AM

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have anyone finished with spear/brow? if you do, can you share some experience?

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 2:25 AM

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practice with bow until you get used to getting the charge shot every time

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:25 AM

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Bow: Dash-shot-dash-shoot-dash-shoot
Spear: Dash-stabstabstab-dash-stabstabstab-dash-charge-dashspin-charge-dashspin

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It just werks

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 2:26 AM

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does it charge faster after dash?

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:26 AM

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Yeah

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It's slower to dash AND shoot than just to shoot, but in the grand scheme of things it's faster to dash for almost all your movement and just shoot in between dashes

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As for the spear spin, you can charge and then dash, and the spin will happen at the end of the dash

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So you can do it in relative safety

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 2:28 AM

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I know about the spin attack, I just find bow under power. charge attack for 30 base damage. backstab is not used most of the time

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:29 AM

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With dash upgrade, the charge attack does 100 damage.

dire crystal Dec 15, 2018, 2:29 AM

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its hilarious

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:29 AM

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So it should be dealing 50 normally, no?

dire crystal Dec 15, 2018, 2:29 AM

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its the same direction they were hit by the first hit

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:30 AM

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Are you releasing while the power shot is active?

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 2:30 AM

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what do u mean dash upgrade?

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:31 AM

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From the Mirror

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The damage after dashing upgrade

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 2:31 AM

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Quick Temper bonus seems to be doubled atm

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I just filed a bug report

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:31 AM

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Would make sense, it seems to deal 100 damage when it used to do 70

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And I don't think they said they buffed the damage

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 2:32 AM

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it was 20% per rank and now it's 10% so it seems like they forgot to update the value in the damage calculation

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so you're getting discounted ranks but the full 20% each

dire crystal Dec 15, 2018, 2:34 AM

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wait really

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 2:34 AM

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that's what testing on skelly is showing me

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Base damage should in theory be 10 * 3 * 1.34 for perfect shots, so 40 damage?

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let me start up the game and disable upgrades for a sec

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Yeah, 40

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So should be 80 on dashes

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But I'm getting 100

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 2:36 AM

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I think the range to get the cast orbs back is kinda short. if you want to make the cast build, it should add more upgrade to the cast system, other than number of orbs (like cast damage, magnet to back orb back)

dire crystal Dec 15, 2018, 2:38 AM

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a magnet orbs back would be a great zeus upgrade honestly

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because zeus has less upgrades 2. because electromagnetism 3. because his shots richochet, knowing where they are is much harder

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ill throw it as a suggestion

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Alright, so quick temper seems to be going up 15% per level instead of 10%.

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At least on the bow.

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 2:39 AM

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yea I find it hard to play cast build, at least get an arrow to show where are the orbs

dire crystal Dec 15, 2018, 2:40 AM

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ive had good luck with cast builds

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arrows for orbs would be a great idea

fallen lintel Dec 15, 2018, 2:40 AM

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yeah life drinker looks straight up op

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 2:41 AM

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I got an epic zeus cast but cant really go far with it. 200 damage per hit but running around trying to find the orbs is just a pain in the a$$

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:41 AM

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And it's going up 20% per level on the spear?

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What is this

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How is this

fallen lintel Dec 15, 2018, 2:41 AM

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with aphrodite strike it's a gg

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 2:42 AM

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I'm getting 20% on both spear and shield

fallen lintel Dec 15, 2018, 2:42 AM

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life drinker + aphro strike

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Sword is doing 30, but I don't know if they changed the dash attack base damage, one sec

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Yup, sword is 20%

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So it's 20% for all weapons but the bow, which is 15%.

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OR it's 20% for all, and the bow's Power Shot is only applying to the original damage

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Nah, there's a bug here somewhere

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This isn't intended, clearly

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 2:44 AM

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xD jk man

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Also, language; don't evade the filter, etc.

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 2:44 AM

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sorry 😄

fallen lintel Dec 15, 2018, 2:50 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262115536111009792/523330746341916693/unknown.png brainless and finished with max health too dang

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Yeah, Life Drinker is OP

fallen lintel Dec 15, 2018, 2:50 AM

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something's getting nerfed

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 2:50 AM

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It just breaks the concept of the game where you're not supposed to get health back easily

fallen lintel Dec 15, 2018, 2:51 AM

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definitely wasn't always worth taking pre-sword buff

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but you have workable base damage now

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Just tested Furry Blade to see how it plays

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That thing got some deeps

fallen lintel Dec 15, 2018, 2:56 AM

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decent on its own but you definitely want to be stacking some more stuff later on ofc

dire crystal Dec 15, 2018, 2:56 AM

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f...

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furry blade???

fallen lintel Dec 15, 2018, 2:57 AM

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yeah i prefer fury blade but you know

dire crystal Dec 15, 2018, 2:57 AM

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fury blade is real good imo lol

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Well, as soon as I got out of the room I got a hammer with Furry Blade, and then got Aphrodite's Epic Attack. At the end of My run I had a Lv.5 Hearbreak Strike at 200% damage. Let just say that doing some backstabs to the Hydra was pretty good

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I even swapped to the Bone Hourglass in hope of getting Charon's ATK buff, but didn't got it 😦

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But yeah, Furry Blade + Aphrodite was quite good. Maybe Athena could do well too?
(Edit: Yeah, of course Flurry blade, I was joking on the name ;p)

fallen lintel Dec 15, 2018, 2:59 AM

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i mean flurry blade yeah

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 3:07 AM

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meanwhile just enjoying quick temper x 2 while I still can

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 3:09 AM

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BEAT THE HYDRA

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yeah I'm sticking with the spear until quick temper is fixed, artemis spear build is strong af

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 3:10 AM

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nice

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haha i like to have some variety in runs

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 3:11 AM

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During my first runs, I was like "meh, this seems bad, won't take it", and now that I have killed the Hydra mutiple times, I'm trying new things and discovering fun stuff

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 3:12 AM

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which weapon do you get life drinker on

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 3:12 AM

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Sword

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 3:12 AM

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ah, of course

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it would be way overpowered on anything else

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 3:12 AM

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I am curious, so the hammer boon on sword: 400% damage as a chop. but it doesn't work with quick temper, sadly. i am wondering as if its a bug or just a mechanic to limit the power

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 3:12 AM

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quick temper damage doesn't seem to get multiplied by anything, it's just flat damage

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 3:13 AM

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I see

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 3:13 AM

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Reduce your max HP by 30%, but your third hit (the stab) makes you get 10% HP back. With a normal attack build, you can leech something like 6-9 HP per enemy hit. That's... a lot.

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 3:13 AM

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the problem with sword chop is that dash atk is allwaysa strike:p

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 3:13 AM

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or at least not by everything, it wasn't getting multiplied by my crits

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 3:13 AM

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because it is a thrust atk

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 3:14 AM

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so yea chop attack is really bad 😦

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because you dash most of the time

indigo compass Dec 15, 2018, 3:15 AM

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still good after the dash :p

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 3:15 AM

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Good early game, because you one shot pretty much everything, but bad scaling

thin glacier Dec 15, 2018, 3:15 AM

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I killed hydra with a chop build today. Just gotta spam dat chop after the dash

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Even took the 10% crit on anything, to make backstab deal more damage occasionally

static field Dec 15, 2018, 3:16 AM

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wuick temper is bugged yea., its twice as eddective. also the powershot does not get multiplied by crit but does from quick tempest

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it owuld be nice when the fix the quick tempest bug, to at least make all these stackings multiplicative

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 3:18 AM

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yeah if I do artemis dash stab crits I should be getting a crit bonus on that quick temper damage

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 3:23 AM

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so with chop attack (hammer sword) you deal 200+ damage backstab easily, like 1 hit per second

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btw does anyone has issue when the boomer dies, he drops booms but as the map is clearly, it's slow down and you get hit?

gleaming quiver Dec 15, 2018, 3:26 AM

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Yup, every goddamn time

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 3:28 AM

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did someone send them this feedback about this? it's not a bug, more like a bad mechanic xD

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 3:29 AM

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I felt that's working as intended

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you are invulnerable the instant the room ends, but there can still be traps

neon arrow Dec 15, 2018, 3:29 AM

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I thought they recently added I-frames at room clear to prevent this?

grand eagle Dec 15, 2018, 3:30 AM

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Your supposed to have invulnerability during the slow down

neon arrow Dec 15, 2018, 3:30 AM

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Ah

autumn yarrow Dec 15, 2018, 3:30 AM

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pests also can hit you

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if it explodes after the slowdown

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 3:33 AM

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like it slows down but I cannot dash away so 😦 i guess it's mechanic.

grand eagle Dec 15, 2018, 3:35 AM

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Well even if it is a mechanic then still complain so the game gets shaped to be a better experience

thin glacier Dec 15, 2018, 3:35 AM

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I usually dash away three times after killing bombers :/

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 3:37 AM

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sometimes I just cannot dash away for god knows what reason :(
BTW, your first boon wont reset after you give up the run? is it just me or can someone confirm this?

forest marsh Dec 15, 2018, 3:45 AM

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Good lord, +500% damage to armor with the spear special feels incredibly powerful to use. I'm having fun with it

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 3:49 AM

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the highet dmg per hit is from chop with hunter dash (crit for next 2+ hit) i got 500 dmg per hit

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Meg (Fury) was killed after she had charged at me 4 times. the fight lasted less tahn 1 min xD

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 3:53 AM

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what gives you 500% vs. armor? because once you hit asphodel you'd be getting that like 80% of the time

latent badger Dec 15, 2018, 3:56 AM

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Hidebreaker, a boon from Artimes

forest marsh Dec 15, 2018, 3:56 AM

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It's from the Hammer

uneven shuttle Dec 15, 2018, 3:56 AM

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Artemis won't give you 500%. That's the spear upgrade, and it applies only to the Special (throw)

forest marsh Dec 15, 2018, 3:56 AM

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Armor Smasher is the name

latent badger Dec 15, 2018, 3:56 AM

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oh gotcha

unique plinth Dec 15, 2018, 3:56 AM

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oh, it's throw only

forest marsh Dec 15, 2018, 3:56 AM

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Yup

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 4:06 AM

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https://imgur.com/gallery/S4r7fYR

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Hades build easy hydra

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no death. killed hydra with less than 20 attacks.

forest marsh Dec 15, 2018, 4:08 AM

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Maybe y'all already knew this, but I just figured out you can dash out of bull rush mid-attack

dapper heart Dec 15, 2018, 4:09 AM

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Look, I barely dash anyway.

jade plover Dec 15, 2018, 4:12 AM

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Dude I barely walk

graceful bough Dec 15, 2018, 4:16 AM

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So the hydra is the worst and needs to not be like it is.

pearl willow Dec 15, 2018, 4:19 AM

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It feels kind of impossible at first lol, you get the hang of it soon enough though.

grizzled jay Dec 15, 2018, 4:20 AM

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^

turbid needle Dec 15, 2018, 4:21 AM

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Fellas

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I already asked in #h1-discussion but maybe ill get an answer here

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Have you seen any references to what the first attack in the sword combo is called?

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second is chop, and third is thrust

grizzled jay Dec 15, 2018, 4:21 AM

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probably slice or strike

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not quite sure

turbid needle Dec 15, 2018, 4:22 AM

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default attack is called strike

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but im not sure if that refers to the first attack or the whole combo

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Actually I think it is just Strike

strange bronze Dec 15, 2018, 4:39 AM

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arkatox, did you fight the version of the hydra prior to patch 004?

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it was....aggressive

hollow totem Dec 15, 2018, 4:41 AM

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didnt they nerf hydra and aspho?

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Sad....

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 4:41 AM

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i think hydra is just kinda easy. more attack sequences should be added. like he cant do dmg if you hide behide the walls

strange bronze Dec 15, 2018, 4:42 AM

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lol, I mean

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hydra before was hard but

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probably not in the way most people enjoy

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there were a lot of mechanics and you didn't really engage meaningfully with any of them, the fight was won or lost before you entered the room mostly

copper berry Dec 15, 2018, 4:43 AM

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He can if he just slams, yeah?

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And you gotta deal with his other boys to at least have a place to hide in the wall.

strange bronze Dec 15, 2018, 4:43 AM

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now you have to navigate the mechanics but they're commensurately easier

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it's not as hard as a final boss likely would be, but it's probably closer to the balance you want in the final product

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and yeah, as dino points out, you're not just magically safe, when you get to the 4 and 6 head phases you have to establish some safe space

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and you still have to be aware what's going on around you, especially since there's so many more bloodless spawning now

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plus the lava spit which is still very much lava

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...also the head hitboxes being really weird and their constantly hovering over the lava

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I like the current fight other than that aspect though

harsh goblet Dec 15, 2018, 4:49 AM

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@strange bronze true. i feel like it's mostly about luck. you can get what you want, or you cant. you can be a god and kill hydra without paying any attention or just depressedly running around 😦

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just pray to our RNGesus every run

strange bronze Dec 15, 2018, 4:50 AM

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I think it's a lot better than it was pre-patch 004

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prior to that, you had to win it by assembling the right combination of boons (usually, some combination of sweet surrender + any aphro attack buff + probably artemis dash) before entering the room

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you still need the damage output now, but you're a lot more likely to be able to prolong a fight with low damage output and eke out a win

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I went in there on one run where I accidentally learned both artemis attack (+60% crit on attack) and artemis dash (guaranteed crit on dash), so I just basically completely wasted my attack boon

real crescent Dec 15, 2018, 4:52 AM

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life drinker is really helpful in that fight

strange bronze Dec 15, 2018, 4:52 AM

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and was still able to easily win

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I would not have easily won with that setup in patch 003

copper berry Dec 15, 2018, 4:52 AM

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I ALMOST won on the first run on a fresh save with life drinker

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but the 7 heads phase was too much for me

strange bronze Dec 15, 2018, 4:53 AM

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hahaha, nice

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sometime soon I'll definitely try a fresh save and see how far I can get on the first several attempts

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now that I know how to actually make builds and fight enemies

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but man

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not having triple dash is just

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the worst

copper berry Dec 15, 2018, 4:53 AM

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it is man

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so lemme give you a tip

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the first boon is literally always the same

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so take the deflect dash from athena

strange bronze Dec 15, 2018, 4:54 AM

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haha

copper berry Dec 15, 2018, 4:54 AM

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it saves your booty so much, since you only have the one

strange bronze Dec 15, 2018, 4:54 AM

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my first playthrough I remember I took attack deflect

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because, on the second playthrough when my attack didn't deflect

copper berry Dec 15, 2018, 4:54 AM

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after that its mostly luck. I think I had the best results with Ares curse attack, since it isnt reliant on the swords garbo base dmg

strange bronze Dec 15, 2018, 4:54 AM

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I remember being super confused why projectiles were so much less useful

copper berry Dec 15, 2018, 4:55 AM

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also the ares curse attack, if applied with thrust, contributes to life drinker 😮

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so in the last hydra fight I was healing 3 + 8 per thrust, but even with that I wasnt able to win

marsh barn Dec 15, 2018, 4:56 AM

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the hydra fight really makes a difference in knowing what the three heads each do

copper berry Dec 15, 2018, 4:57 AM

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Problem is I think they all slam

marsh barn Dec 15, 2018, 4:57 AM

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i dont think they do

copper berry Dec 15, 2018, 4:57 AM

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So at the end they just all STRETCH to ya

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well two of the three do at least, and thats enough to wreck me T.T

marsh barn Dec 15, 2018, 4:57 AM

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they can melee but only certain ones slam

copper berry Dec 15, 2018, 4:57 AM

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the one that spawns bloodless is a bro tho when you have life drinker

marsh barn Dec 15, 2018, 4:58 AM

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i dont think ive had a succesful run with life drinker. i love having hp too much to sacrifice it

copper berry Dec 15, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Yeah but on the first run, where you have literally no upgrades, you really need the sustain

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cuz you WILL take damage having only one dash

marsh barn Dec 15, 2018, 4:59 AM

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that's true. my early game was basically throwing myself at meg until i beat her consistently. then it was just throwing myself on that... island mini boss in asphdel

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i hate that thing

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so much

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now that i have everything except the boon upgrade shadows, i can beat the hydra pretty regularly. UNLESS I USE SHIELD THEN I STILL CANT

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arrrrgh

dapper heart Dec 15, 2018, 5:03 AM

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The runs I do best are ones where I get Ares' curse on attack, but once I get to Asphodel, well...

tepid fiber Dec 15, 2018, 5:08 AM

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This is the coolest interaction ive found yet

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Im using the spear and got the explosion on the throw
and it works with ares curse
so I can deal curse to anyone caught in the explosion

forest marsh Dec 15, 2018, 5:34 AM

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So I had my first Meg victory today, and then on my first run after that I got what I think is my best set of boons yet and I'm not even half way through Tartarus yet. Feeling lucky friendly
https://imgur.com/a/ASUvjIP

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Second Meg defeat in a row squirtnya Revenge lightning took her out

sand seal Dec 15, 2018, 6:01 AM

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I found a cool interaction that people might like. In my experience ares curse on attack (agony i think) and life drinker. If the first thing you hit an enemy with is the lifedrinker one it procs when the curse hits for more.

brittle sedge Dec 15, 2018, 6:03 AM

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i totally only won against hydra bc of lifedrinker lmao

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i basically lost no hp

sand seal Dec 15, 2018, 6:03 AM

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Before that run i hadnt beaten meg that run i was halfway through the hydra before i died to stupidity.

brittle sedge Dec 15, 2018, 6:03 AM

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lifedrinker is so nice

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tho it got a little scary my second time through bc i found less centaur hearts lol

sand seal Dec 15, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Yea i got a heart literaly the next room from life drinker.

brittle sedge Dec 15, 2018, 6:05 AM

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ayy nice

fluid moat Dec 15, 2018, 6:06 AM

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the increased invul on dash is really really nice

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during certain slow downs you can just start mashing the dash button and get out of anything 😂

sand seal Dec 15, 2018, 6:07 AM

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Especialy with lightning dash. Never need to attack anything

fluid moat Dec 15, 2018, 6:07 AM

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omg thunderdash is the best

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I had a run where I just got thunderdash first boon, then leveled it up 7 times 😂 👌

sand seal Dec 15, 2018, 6:08 AM

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My max was starting epic +3 levels and that was like 80 i think. Per dash. With three dashes.