oh man
#h1-builds-and-combat
pastel jolt
indigo compass
think it can drop anything
pastel jolt
what to choose,,
ocean halo
i got ambrosia today
pastel jolt
(i'm using the bow)
errant narwhal
trial for sure
pastel jolt
i don't remember what the hammer options are for bow
ocean halo
well he might get multishot from hanner
rocky whale
Triple Shot, No charge, + to powershot
indigo compass
hammer is good tho:p
rocky whale
Extra damage on distant enemies is another?
pastel jolt
(they, tendai, if you're referring to me)
ocean halo
and mutishot is much better then any boon
errant narwhal
also 100% more dmg to armor now
rocky whale
oh and twice as many special projectiles
errant narwhal
but still you could probs buy a hammer later
pastel jolt
;3; this isn't making it any easier to choose
rocky whale
yeah I would probably take the trial but multishot is super good
turbid needle
Artemis boons are gud
errant narwhal
sparrow what if u get sweet surrender
rocky whale
you could get + to critical damage AND sweet surrender
errant narwhal
go for it
pastel jolt
i'm going for trial
turbid needle
And like I just found put you can shoot and dash to trigger hunter dash crit
pastel jolt
don't let me down y'all i'm trusting you
indigo compass
gl:p
errant narwhal
yessss wishing u the best boon luck
turbid needle
Charon can sell the hammer too
indigo compass
hope its not athena:po
turbid needle
We prayin
pastel jolt
alma
indigo compass
she gets real mad:p
errant narwhal
o no.....
pastel jolt
it's only a standard one not rare/epic but Hey
errant narwhal
still good tho
pastel jolt
oh artemis got SO mad
indigo compass
ah nice
turbid needle
Haha
indigo compass
dream scenario there
turbid needle
Never faced her
errant narwhal
o yeah they fiercely dislike each other
pastel jolt
more critical damage? YES PLS ARTEMIS.
turbid needle
In the new patch notes
What does "normalized base damage" mean
in reference to zeus boon changes
turbid needle
Damn
true shot makes cast have a chance to deal crits right
Oh I got athena vs artemis in asphodel
Does athena deflect ?
autumn yarrow
yes
hushed parrot
Kimo I think it makes Cast home into the nearest enemy and deal more damage
turbid needle
Well I definitely don't want a taste of one of my arrows
indigo compass
had to deal with athena yesterday it was a mess:p
pearl willow
pretty sure athena enemies only deflect attacks in that they don't take damage, they don't actually reflect
autumn yarrow
^
indigo compass
they do:p
pastel jolt
i beat meg
indigo compass
nice
pastel jolt
i wonder if it's worth switching out the aphrodite keepsake for something else ๐ค
errant narwhal
meg's?
autumn yarrow
imo it's always worth
errant narwhal
or artemis if u wanna play it safer and keep critting
autumn yarrow
there's no guarentee you are going to get more aphrodite boons
pastel jolt
alas i am a Weenie who doesn't like being at low health
indigo compass
haha go for the collar then:p
errant narwhal
yeah i feel that
turbid needle
A Critical hit (usually shortened to crit) is a modifier that causes foes to take more damage than usual. A critical attack will deal 200% damage to an enemy. Artemis' has several Boons which cause attacks to have a Critical damage chance.
indigo compass
thats what i did till i beat hydra tho:p
errant narwhal
now that its 40% health it feels less risky tho
pastel jolt
..........so apparently if you change away from a keepsake, it won't let you change back to it on that run
errant narwhal
yeaaaah
exotic hazel
Yeah, I always thought that was a weird effect
pastel jolt
THAT would have been nice to know before i started dithering between keepsakes!
exotic hazel
Because Ive checked and it DOES seem to guarantee that god spawns their boon first on Asphodel again
pastel jolt
i think i'm gonna go with distant memory
dire crystal
thats been a thing for awhile lol
silk torrent
Since when does the bow pierce ???? ๐ฎ
autumn yarrow
@turbid needle i believe artemis boons can let you increase crit damage as well? so it can be more than 200%
dire crystal
since this update
indigo compass
patch
dire crystal
new change
indigo compass
:p
pastel jolt
oh my god this loadout just obliterated the first room of asphodel,,,,,,,,, i foresee Good Things
turbid needle
I didnt write the artemis boons section of the wiki
dire crystal
goood
autumn yarrow
I would just mention it has the potential to be increased ๐คท
turbid needle
but for true shot the person wrote the damage increase instead of the chance for cast to crit??
errant narwhal
get em sparrow
dire crystal
there is an artemis boon that buffs crit damage, and another that buffs damage vs armor
theres no chance for cast to crit mod?
indigo compass
no
autumn yarrow
Isn't there another one that lets ALL damage have a chance to crit?
exotic hazel
No, but there is a general "all damage" crit mod
indigo compass
cast is allready strong with poms
exotic hazel
ye
pastel jolt
hey remember when you said it wasn't likely for me to get more aphro boons
dire crystal
yeah, that wasnt a question it was like confused at kimo what they said
exotic hazel
Lady Artemis is life
uneven shuttle
Hello yes, I'm here, I made the tables
@turbid needle True shot deals extra damage and seeks enemies, it doesn't crit
turbid needle
the third boon on her table
pastel jolt
๐
turbid needle
oh okay
uneven shuttle
Not without the "all damage can crit" boon, at least
dire crystal
it just buffs cast damage and makes it home
pastel jolt
BUT I'M SCARED OF GOD TRIALS
exotic hazel
But two buuuufffffs
autumn yarrow
it could be the boat
pastel jolt
.....oh well, i'm pretty powerful
turbid needle
@uneven shuttle you also had the true shot description saying "your special can now crit" which I assumed you meant to say cast
pastel jolt
i think i can take it
indigo compass
lol
autumn yarrow
there's the boat in asphodel too, it's not always a trial
exotic hazel
Aphrodite's trials are easy
pastel jolt
it's between artemis and aphrodite again
turbid needle
you may
indigo compass
not with athena :p
exotic hazel
dont be mean to lady Artemis ๐ช
turbid needle
it was the exact same as deadly flourish
pastel jolt
i'm not used to having girls fight over me ;w;
exotic hazel
lol
turbid needle
thats why i was confused because it said cast had a chance to crit
dire crystal
lol
uneven shuttle
gimme 1 second
dire crystal
are all the images not loading properly on the wiki or are they all missing
exotic hazel
As far as I can tell, the boat is a specific room number, like the skeleton twins in tartarus
dire crystal
cuz ill post the screenshots for em if you need
pastel jolt
BOIIIIIII
autumn yarrow
agreed
dire crystal
nice!
turbid needle
Does artemis divine protection boon (20 sec invincibility) just sometimes triggers
Don't think there were reasons
exotic hazel
Were you blocking?
turbid needle
Noice
tiny barn
Congrats sparrow
exotic hazel
Ive noticed some of the "on damage" effects trigger when blocking with aegis
uneven shuttle
Fixed
turbid needle
Well the bubble was there stallord I still dodged
ocean halo
dammit
dire crystal
mmmm
autumn yarrow
๐ค
dire crystal
watch yourself tendai
exotic hazel
Ah, what happened is that you probably got hit, but the new I frames for dodge didnt make you take damage
dire crystal
nice
exotic hazel
but the shield still procced
dire crystal
thats real cool
pastel jolt
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
dire crystal
NICE
turbid needle
Also I walked in lava and after 20 sec I suffered damage but it had stacked (as ewpected but loqt a defiance hehe)
uneven shuttle
Also, @turbid needle if it looks like the description doesn't match the data values, chances are it's the description that's wrong. I started out with the data values and then looked up the relevant descriptions ๐
errant narwhal
YO SPARROW
pastel jolt
ohhhhh
turbid needle
2 legendary* boons
autumn yarrow
wait sparrow that legendary may actually be a little more underwhelming than u think
turbid needle
That's madness
autumn yarrow
sadly
errant narwhal
i gave you too MUCH of my luck
indigo compass
clearly alma:p
dire crystal
support fire is pretty alright
exotic hazel
15 homing damage on every hit is still good
pastel jolt
okay but i'm already getting a crit on basically every hit and i'm not casting
autumn yarrow
I would just take crit here
dire crystal
yeah
indigo compass
am i the only one who never got a legendary boon?
autumn yarrow
ah
indigo compass
in like 60+ runs
exotic hazel
Im also not sure if support fire hits count as attack
errant narwhal
please screenshot your loadout when youre at the room b4 hydra
pastel jolt
also
errant narwhal
its quite literally legendary
dire crystal
support fire hits dont?
exotic hazel
because if they dooooo, omg, aphrodite procs everywhere
exotic hazel
ah boo
pastel jolt
i assume the athena room here is The Boat, but,
exotic hazel
room 3?
errant narwhal
yep probably
autumn yarrow
4 death defiance :^)
exotic hazel
I think room 3 or 4 is still too early, its probably a mad dad room
turbid needle
@uneven shuttle should we make sure all legendary boons are at the bottom of the table?
errant narwhal
boat feels much less scary now but charon is A Friend
pastel jolt
iiii don't remember how many rooms in i am
turbid needle
idk how legendaries work
exotic hazel
id go charon then
uneven shuttle
Right now I have boons in the same order they appear in the relevant text files.
turbid needle
that works too
exotic hazel
free break, and athena boons arent very good imo
autumn yarrow
at the same time normally
turbid needle
legs dont have common, rare, etc rarities do they?
errant narwhal
nope
uneven shuttle
I think with one exception, since poseidon has the cast / dash abilities out of order from the rest
turbid needle
hmm
dire crystal
athena is alright to get a boon or two
turbid needle
i may add the legendary border to those boon icons
errant narwhal
i like deflect, her cast is neat
uneven shuttle
Legendary is its own tier
indigo compass
i like the deflect on normal atks
exotic hazel
deflect on attack and deflect on hit are both good, but everything else is kinda meh
dire crystal
deflect is super useful versus some enemy types
pastel jolt
i already have boons on my dash, attack, and special; i think athena could onyl boon my cast at this point and where's the use of that
exotic hazel
especially if you get the money boon
turbid needle
should we remove the common, rare, epic thing from any legendary boon categories?
dire crystal
the deflect cast is incredible
exotic hazel
"here kid, buy yourself something good"
autumn yarrow
if u need deflect
indigo compass
athena cast is pretty good:p
autumn yarrow
she can also give u damage resistance
pastel jolt
hhhhrhrhrjhtjrh i. i can't choooose
uneven shuttle
Right now the table doesn't support Legendary quality. Ideally yes, but I can't do that, I don't think.
dire crystal
a lot of people can give damage resist
indigo compass
just throw one in the middle of a major witch spam:p
exotic hazel
but like...not a lot of DR
turbid needle
hmm
errant narwhal
shop! shop! shop!
uneven shuttle
Haven't looked into how the table format was made
turbid needle
might have to get pie to set that up
uneven shuttle
I didn't do it
errant narwhal
sparrow im so invested in this run dkfjgh
turbid needle
also question
exotic hazel
Her DR is better than aphros, but its still not great
uneven shuttle
I suggested some changes to Pie5 though
pastel jolt
this is my first run that's looking likely to get to hydra
turbid needle
do tier 2 boons only come in rare or higher
silk torrent
This new bow is insanely stupid op
autumn yarrow
no
silk torrent
why did they do that ?
uneven shuttle
They do not
autumn yarrow
sparrow just screenshotted
indigo compass
i think trhey can allways be common
autumn yarrow
a tier 2 that was common
errant narwhal
charon might sell a boon and then u dont miss out at all
uneven shuttle
Tier 2 can be common, TBH I'm not 100% sure what tiers do, apart from change some 'cost' value from 30 to 60
turbid needle
are there some boons that only come in rare or epic similar to legendaries
pastel jolt
going shop then
autumn yarrow
you have 200g, charon should be solid regardless of what you miss from boat
errant narwhal
you still have all ur death defiances too........
pastel jolt
pom!
uneven shuttle
@turbid needle nope; It's either common/rare/epic, or just legendary on its own
pastel jolt
sweet surrender, clean kill, heartbreak flourish......... i think i'm going to go for that delicious 75% critical damage
uneven shuttle
So if you can have 2 different type of table rows in the same table, it'd make sense to have a different type for legendaries
pastel jolt
oh my god this room is just ull of numbskulls
pierce time
dumb question, but, uh, indulge the noob who has never reached hydra much less beaten it
how do i know when i'm in the room before it so i can screenshot this loadout
exotic hazel
There are a bunch of hydra statues
kind marten
With Hunter's Dash Bow, what is better, Perfect Shot (250% DMG) or Triple Shot?
grand cave
triple shot is always the best
errant narwhal
oh also storyteller goes like "theres an awful beast waiting ahead" or something
turbid needle
I think we should we able to just replace the common rare etc text with an orange legendary text in that box
kind marten
aight cool ๐
pastel jolt
i am getting so many poms
errant narwhal
all the poms
grand cave
@kind marten because if you hit all three shots at close range then its 300% as opposed to 250, plus room clear in asphodel becomes much more bearable
kind marten
Jesus Christ, the crit Triple Shot is disgusting. Good Lord.
uneven shuttle
That'd be ideal. If you look at the source, currently I have a legendary = property in each, but it isn't displayed anywhere, obviously (I instead copied it over to the Notes, too).
turbid needle
Yeah Iโm not too sure how that whole template works
uneven shuttle
Neither am I tbqh
turbid needle
Pie is a whiz at that stuff so Iโm sure he can figure it out
pastel jolt
oh my god i have heartbreak strike up to level 5
limpid ember
nice!
pastel jolt
oh my god zagreus is so salty about the storyteller and his spoilers
limpid ember
I had epic heartbreak to 3 once, it was crazy
pastel jolt
okay
errant narwhal
get that hydra................
errant narwhal
this LUCK
pastel jolt
i cannot believe i got aphrodite and artemis trial twice
uneven shuttle
That's some good RNG ๐
errant narwhal
u got this kill it dead!!!
pastel jolt
should i record so y'all can laugh at me flailing my buttons
turbid needle
unhealthy fixation is aphs leg right?
errant narwhal
YEAH
pastel jolt
yeah
errant narwhal
record pls
pastel jolt
i got both legendaries from aph and art in the same room
uneven shuttle
@turbid needle yup
dire crystal
incredible
errant narwhal
i am cheering u on
hushed parrot
I was wondering what Kimo was referring to as "leg" and now I'm laughing
Aph's leg
uneven shuttle
yeah, took me a sec too
errant narwhal
uneven shuttle
@turbid needle Don't worry about the icon border IMO.
loud sparrow
my relationship to videogames in a nutshelll 
uneven shuttle
So long as it only lists Legendary, maybe has a bold yellow/orange text color on the name too
errant narwhal
all human emotions can be encapsulated with
errant narwhal
and also with this dusa
uneven shuttle
But keeping all the icons the same size makes sense to me, so I wouldn't bother adding the border I don't think
Ah, maybe
silk torrent
So the bow has now the best dps
dire crystal
dusa is best
pastel jolt
I DID IT
silk torrent
And it's from range
uneven shuttle
But then you'd have the common border on the rest?
errant narwhal
YES
silk torrent
And it pierces
pastel jolt
FIRST HYDRA KILL Y'ALL
dire crystal
beat hydra?
turbid needle
just not sure what border i would do for the other boons
errant narwhal
YES
dire crystal
NICE
silk torrent
Wtf did they do
pastel jolt
I'M SHAKING
turbid needle
either common or epic
uneven shuttle
Probably common if you did that
errant narwhal
I WANNA SEEEEE
dire crystal
๐
uneven shuttle
I'd just leave it as-is
pastel jolt
so i had no idea what i was doing??
pastel jolt
god i hope that recorded
dire crystal
๐
uneven shuttle
๐
errant narwhal
my heart still hammers in my chest whenever i get to it
i beat meg consistently after 50 runs now but i only got the hydra twice and got to the hydra like 5 times
errant narwhal
nice!!
i think the legendary should be last tho
and also just have legendary listed in the rarity, tho i assume ur already on it
dire crystal
woooo
pastel jolt
that was escape attempt #29, btw
dire crystal
ive beaten hydra 4 times, gotten to em like 30 probably lol
though i presume ill be able to beat it more consistently with the changes
errant narwhal
YO
dire crystal
cuz ive beaten it 2/3 of the time since the changes went live
errant narwhal
thats amazing sparrow
dire crystal
yeah!
uneven shuttle
Think I still prefer borderless, but I might be weird here ๐ค
@errant narwhal Probably, the list is currently just in the order it appears in a file.
As for the legendary row's formatting, the name ought to be gold/orange, like it is in-game, matching the quality color.
lost ore
Yeah, I'm usually able to consistently get to Hydra these days, but I'm excited to see how the changes affect my win rate
pastel jolt
i can pretty consistently get to meg, but that's my first-ever time getting to the hydra
i barely ever get boons on my runs so asphodel just............. eugh
errant narwhal
๐ ๐ ๐
pastel jolt
IT RECORDED
errant narwhal
YES
proud storm
my GOD this wiki is gorgeous
lost ore
Yeah it does! ๐
errant narwhal
i have 2 but the first was before it counted the weapons :((
dire crystal
same
errant narwhal
it was varatha tho
indigo compass
yeah for me its 8 with 1 sword kill and 1 bow:p
errant narwhal
so i have varatha and stygius
turbid needle
Fellas! were almost done with icons for aphro
does anyone remember what icons go with which>?
proud storm
i have different league's icon i think
errant narwhal
yess ๐ช
turbid needle
Dying Lament?
if you just describe what it looks like
i should be able to get it
proud storm
looks like this https://i.imgur.com/oBc56uB.png
uneven shuttle
@turbid needle did it turn out that the filenames match the trait names in code?
dire crystal
wooo
errant narwhal
if u have the remaining unused icons we could try to fill in the blank by what makes the most sense
turbid needle
I didnt check
errant narwhal
if no one happens to have ss
uneven shuttle
e.g. <Text Id="ZeusWeaponTrait" DisplayName="Lightning Strike"
turbid needle
uneven shuttle
bleh, lemme see some things
proud storm
wave of despair https://i.imgur.com/z2mUnVL.png
graceful bough
Guys I just beat Meg without getting hurt. I feel AMAZING.
indigo compass
๐ nice
errant narwhal
oh i think u got unhealthy fixations icon mixed with wave of despair
turbid needle
did i?
errant narwhal
yes check that screenshot
turbid needle
someone posted the legendary and it had that icon and name
turbid needle
oh...
proud storm
wait a sec
static field
does anyone knwo the precise mechanics of how epic/rare boons are rolled. This is what my imagination is telling me. As soon as we actiavte a boon to recieve its reward the list of boons are populated as follows: (a) the space of options are all the unowned and unlisted boons, (b) first roll for a legendary boon, if it fails then roll for an epic, if it fails then roll for a rare, if it fails then output a normal boon. Now the boon listed is considered listed and the whole processs of (a) to (b) repeats until 4 options are listed (if possible). Then after sellection of one of the options, that option is considered owned and effects all future acquisitions.
Is this information known?
also what are the base probabilities for each tier?
regal falcon
First Bone Hydra wohoo
indigo compass
gratz
proud storm
the tab picture is a more recent version than the one with just the boon
dire crystal
yeah this hydra is way easier lol
regal falcon
errant narwhal
i feel like the tab menu is correct
dire crystal
way better tho
turbid needle
alright i'll switch em around
proud storm
i keep my hades screenshots as "hades x" x being the xth picture i took
thats why i know
turbid needle
proud storm
left one is empty inside i think
errant narwhal
so the correct unhealthy fixation is probably the one in the tab menu
turbid needle
I had two of them
proud storm
yes it's the tab one that's correct
pearl willow
@static field i would wager that's mostly correct except that legendaries are generally subject to prereq boons as well and they're not really a 'rarity' exactly. i'd guess the prereqs are checked first, if they're met then there's simply some roll to determine if the legendary appears or not, and if not then generate three boons as per usual. or it may be checked per boon or they're just displayed in a randomized order as they don't always appear first.
turbid needle
uneven shuttle
So wait, I haven't been paying attention; does Unhealthy Fixation use a different icon on the left from the one in the store?
proud storm
the two pictures i posted are from different versions each
the one with the tab is the correct one
i just didnt realize
static field
that wouold make sense waffle. has anyone gotten a legendary boon after having Only 1 boon ofo the type? I beleive every time i encounter a legendary boon, its because i have owned 3 boons of its type and therefore the pool is limited just enough for the legendary to mandatarily appear
proud storm
yeah it's the only one missing
counterpoint
zeus' legendary doesnt always appear even though there's a free boon slot
i had this once from him https://i.imgur.com/AOBdhCY.png
dire crystal
true
static field
okay ty for ingo
uneven shuttle
So in code, the icon is given as Boon_Aphrodite_10, which is obviously somewhat different from the filename
Is there an aph 10, again?
proud storm
theres 10 aphro boons
uneven shuttle
Alright, looked up, yeah, that's it
fluid moat
Legendary boons have pre-requisits, unless that was changed in the patch that launched yesterday
uneven shuttle
@turbid needle You can probably get all the filenames from TraitData.lua, more or less. But they won't necessarily be the same, since the Icon format probably itself references the file (hopefully with the same name/number)
turbid needle
now we just need to add a legendary category
tiny barn
What weapon should I use first
errant narwhal
bow
fluid moat
From a friend who looked at code for legendary pre-requisits (note from previous patch):
athena - one of the base 4 and "your deflect attacks deal more damage"
poseidon - one of the base 4 and either bonus damage on wall slam or stun on wall slam
ares - one of the blade rift traits and either the blade rift aoe or blade rift homing
aphrodite - one of the base 4 and sweet surrender or weakness duration
artemis - one of the base 4 and one of increased crit damage or increased crit damage vs armor```:3ccc shield
uneven shuttle
I'll send you all the name/file combos for the rest of 'em
uneven shuttle
@fluid moat I already put that stuff on the wiki
turbid needle
I'll add those to the notes @fluid moat
errant narwhal
jk its bugged do spear
turbid needle
What does base 4 mean here though?
fluid moat
ahhh cool AE just saw someone ask
tiny barn
I won't do the ares curse
proud storm
base 4 = attack/special/cast/dash boon
uneven shuttle
@turbid needle check the small tables under the boon tables.
tiny barn
I never use the special
uneven shuttle
Pie5 wants to merge them into one table, just listing the requirements
but the table is already so WIDE ๐ฆ
turbid needle
I think the table is decent rn
fluid moat
base 4 is one of the 4 attributes; Primary Attack, Special, Cast, Dash
proud storm
ye
proud storm
wiki looks weird in firefox btw
turbid needle
When it had a row for each rarity it was way too long and got smooshed
can you send screenshots @proud storm
uneven shuttle
Yeah, that's one reason I suggested the current format
The issue is if I include a long description in notes, it squashes the other columns
dire cedar
@uneven shuttle Maybe we should have a Notes section below Boons
proud storm
this is with firefox https://i.imgur.com/B1O8i0i.png
turbid needle
We do
uneven shuttle
I don't know, I'm not in charge of formatting, just nitpicking
proud storm
it works fine in explorer
uneven shuttle
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
proud storm
wait there's two wikis??
dire crystal
lol
turbid needle
Yeah were using the gamepedia
dire cedar
Fun fact. Fandom just bought Curse, who owns gamepedia.
turbid needle
uneven shuttle
@buoyant obsidian That's the upgrade paths table
proud storm
sgghsdgf
dire cedar
So funny there are two wikis now owned by the same company.
turbid needle
Does it look good on firefox?
proud storm
yeah it does
dire crystal
incredible
pastel jolt
@turbid needle please don't send multiple links in rapid succession; as you can probably work out, the bot eats the extras
proud storm
i was just on the wrong wiki because i had it bookmarked on firefox and discord links open with explorer
turbid needle
Yeah I just realised that haha
pastel jolt
also i'm going to trim down the hydra video and put it on youtube
nobody's allowed to laugh at how bad i am
turbid needle
We just decided to use gamepedia for a few reasons
proud storm
is anyone going to be brave enough to screenshot every npc's lines
turbid needle
the fandom owner is inactive on the hades wiki, im guessing they just snagged it be owner
proud storm
and post them in a dialogue page
turbid needle
and gamepedia is more built around games
proud storm
ye fair
turbid needle
yeah ill probably set up a dialogue page
graceful bough
Ugh, the hydra is what you call a skill wall.
turbid needle
i can grab dialogue from the game files
graceful bough
And it is the biggest detriment to the roguelike genre.
turbid needle
but i dont wanna spoil myself too much righ tnow
pastel jolt
oh nooooo i just realised i didn't look at my loadout in the video before the kydra kill
dire crystal
lol rip
pastel jolt
i brought it up after but not before :c
proud storm
technically we're not really supposed to see hades' full codex entry
cuz we have to talk to him a hundred times
i mean unless you're REALLY motivated
errant narwhal
i mean hes there every run
so u just gotta do 100 runs
unlike the npcs who are sometimes not there
proud storm
they do also need a hundred conversations
errant narwhal
i talk to everyone before going out every time anyway :P
proud storm
i'm brave but this is too much effort for me :c
errant narwhal
i could theoretically just do runs where i die asap to talk to everyone
dire crystal
sisyphus is the one i wanna do 100 first lol
errant narwhal
but wheres the fun in that
proud storm
sadly there's no dialogue for dying in the very first room of tartarus
dire crystal
lol
hazy mauve
Yes. The lack of dialogue is what's sad about that.
errant narwhal
not yet
proud storm
hardcore mode where you just fall to your death if you don't do a perfect landing after jumping through your window
https://i.imgur.com/kzJkHj4.png thunder dash and heaven's vengeance
primal kayak
What is the location of the game on the disk?
dire crystal
god
proud storm
i have no other picture with zeus boons
besides the spare wealth thing but that seems common to every god
turbid needle
Damn
I think I can cross reference with aphrodite
many of the boon icons use the same motiffs
pastel jolt
what're you looking for, kimo?
uneven shuttle
The first 4 always do
pastel jolt
pretend i didn't mess up the name
turbid needle
Every boon for zeus
uneven shuttle
Chain Lightning is the zig-zag one, Splitting Bolt I don't know, the others all match the generic cases I mentioned
He only has 7, so that's all of them
dire crystal
okay killed the hydra with the spear, just gotta do it with sword and i have a flush
errant narwhal
its weird how i mained the shield but never beat the hydra with it
dire crystal
lol
errant narwhal
i play all the weapons now but still
pastel jolt
the bow is so much fun now
errant narwhal
ayyy
pastel jolt
it's saying something that despite all the times i tried to use it, i never even got to meg with it OR unlocked its codex entry
that's how bad at bow i was
turbid needle
Which boons got renamed again?
pastel jolt
and then the game gave me seven billion boons and i was like alright then let's be a coronacht main for ever and ever
i know the surges did
turbid needle
Surge dash > tidal dash?
dire crystal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423945387544543232/523212193936703508/unknown.png boy this chair sings really well
pastel jolt
look in patch notes @turbid needle
dire crystal
tidal dash is great btw
pastel jolt
tidal dash is so much fun
grand cave
is there any specific conditions to get orpheus to sing? i asked him to sing to me about eurydice because mythology but now he wont sing to me...
errant narwhal
it seems to be random now
dire crystal
i already talked to him so who knows lol
turbid needle
but they aint show up
thin glacier
"Hades Wiki"
Shows Zagreus as Thumbnail in Discord
dire crystal
lOL
turbid needle
yeah
dire crystal
get rekt hades
pastel jolt
still zaggy
turbid needle
OOPS
thin glacier
Ye
errant narwhal
jdkshdjfks
thin glacier
Watch your tongue, boyo
dire crystal
i still mess it up
im tryin real hard not to just be my normal curse slingin self lol
errant narwhal
if i do a short stream would anyone show up? i wanna play a bit before bed
dire crystal
hence why i wouldnt wanna apply to be a mod - mods swearing is definately not a good thing
sure ill hop in why not
turbid needle
Yeah sure ill watch !
dire crystal
just hmu with a link or somethin - probably in self propmo
errant narwhal
posted in self promo :3
turbid needle
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pastel jolt
hey who wants to see my hydra kill
(pls excuse video quality it literally JUST uploaded)
(there we go i think it has the Good quality now)
when you have the bow and the hunter's dash, moving normally is for Losers
All Dash All The Time Gimme Them Crits
regal falcon
Is there a case when moving normally is an option at all?)
well i guess
not enough shade stuff for second or third dash
But yeah, Awesome)
Thanks for the idea of the build
I was using mostly Ares for bow
pastel jolt
that run got so broken by the end, i blame getting an aph/art trial twice
vestal snow
Just beat the Hydra on my first try!
dire crystal
nice!
pastel jolt
the weapon stats were only added in the latest patch
vestal snow
Protip: Life Drinker (the sword upgrade that gives you HP on hit) is incredibly good, especially with Artemis Dash and some Weak effects
and several Centaur Hearts
fallen lintel
dashing is moving normally
dire crystal
i got the sword upgrade that made you attack really fast, combod with arte dash
incredible dps
vestal snow
That's a good one too
fallen lintel
flurry blade
vestal snow
But yeah, with Life Drinker, I finished the Meg fight with full HP and 3 Death Defiance left
Like, she would get me down low and then I'd just kill the minions to get back to full. It was super fun
dire crystal
lmao
plush blaze
Still haven't gotten life drinker :<
dire crystal
i tend to be able to dodge all of meg's attacks and have enough hp to take the ones i dont in the hydra fight
vestal snow
Life Drinker (since the latest patch) is definitely my favourite weapon upgrade
dire crystal
nice
tiny barn
Alright lads
I'm home
Now, just to defrost my fingers and then we'll get started
(it snowed today and I didn't have any gloves on)
wintry tulip
Good thing it's warm in Asphodel
dire crystal
hah nice
dire crystal
๐ฎ
tiny barn
He's everywhere
wintry tulip
he's known to appear from time to time
ocean halo
Legend never was so close to me...
exotic hazel
fun little maths I did, if you max all the current hearts possible, youll need 66 ambrosia to max the rest when they eventually unlock
so dont turn your nose to ambrosia even after youve maxed all the gifts currently in game
dire crystal
god
tiny barn
Time to farm
exotic hazel
still wouldnt reccommend buying ambrosia from charon...ever
ocean halo
Actualy... Do you plan to do save reset after some major updates or global release @wintry tulip
exotic hazel
faq says no
ocean halo
Hope so
minor axle
I hope not
i would never play if they did that i hate that above all
I despise progress being taken away
dire crystal
its too pricy tbh
tiny barn
Or, you just play after the game's out
wintry tulip
@ocean halo yeah, we plan to do everything in our power to make sure your save data continues working with any major content patch. We'll do our best!
errant narwhal
@pastel jolt 2 things
- you have 666 subscribers
- that hydra was AMAZING i wouldnt have guessed that was ur first time fighting it.... ur so good
minor axle
@wintry tulip i don't suppose you could share the hot insider info on planned future weapons
pastel jolt
aaaaa thank u alma,,
hushed parrot
I just learned the hard way that Poseidon boon for shield throw is kinda dangerous because it could push enemies towards me on the way back ๐
pastel jolt
i like how at about 3:10 you can see me realise how little health i have and just hide for a little while ;n;
ocean halo
I Ship it now....
dire crystal
lol good
south comet
Michael reacted with finger guns! Zag can shoot finger guns confirmed
hushed parrot
Shipping Real people without them actually being okay with it is kinda creepy honestly
errant narwhal
ocean halo
Thats why i said sorry
pastel jolt
minor axle
im in this room and there is this translucent jiggling cube what is this i don't even
errant narwhal
๐ค
tiny barn
Can you describe the cube further?
ocean halo
just in case
tiny barn
That's probably a boon
tiny barn
Ah
ocean halo
it just a light effect
minor axle
that would be funny if there were torch mimics and all of a sudden gellatinous cube enemy
errant narwhal
a new Secret Enemy from that description
autumn yarrow
@errant narwhal you ruined the 666 by mentioning it btw... :^)
thin glacier
Im gonna stream some of my build attempts at hydra today.
pastel jolt
actually recording fights is really useful bc i can see where i hecked up
for instance, dashing right underneath a head as it stomps ._.
thin glacier
The last miniom that kills you, will be glowing, while the deathscreen rolls up
Only you and your murder should be displayed during the animation of your death
plush blaze
Ok I got lifedrinker for the firs time
errant narwhal
when fighting it with the sword i was just yelling and spam clicking until i got lifesteals
plush blaze
suddenly games easy
errant narwhal
ahaha exactly
plush blaze
first sword win with 5x death defiance left
errant narwhal
5????
thin glacier
lifedrinker? Theres leech now?
errant narwhal
there always was iirc
tiny barn
He got 2 extra from Charon's things, alma
plush blaze
yeah 3 to start and then I got 2 from shops
thin glacier
Yeaterday I managed to pull a damageless Meg.. You should get a boon for pulling that off imo
errant narwhal
buying 2 death defies u wont need just to flex on the hydra
plush blaze
Anyway, beaten the game with every weapon now
errant narwhal
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thin glacier
Congrats. Now to farm up the passive traits and max em out :^)
plush blaze
Yup, maxed out everything up to the starting money upgrade
thin glacier
I got rares maxxed also
dire crystal
nice
thin glacier
I basically farm stuff for future content now
pastel jolt
i haven't got either of those unlocked yet, nevermind maxed
i really gotta stop avoiding keys,,
dire crystal
same bossly lol
thin glacier
more then 120 keys right now. Evwn though I avoided then
dire crystal
how many runs youve done bossly?
thin glacier
I've been playing this game inbetween my magic and artifact games. Now I play artifact and magic inbetween Hades games. :/
autumn yarrow
gotta be at least triple digits
thin glacier
I can check for you, when home. I've killed hydra about 7 times now
I think I got 100+ deaths
errant narwhal
i only have the boon rarities and deep pockets to max now
plush blaze
I really want to make a 2x enemies 2x damage mod
Damage part should be relatively easy
(Both player and enemy)
thin glacier
Game supports modding?
errant narwhal
sounds hectic
thin glacier
2x speed mod would be dope
plush blaze
Scripts are all in lua, and the damage information / UI is all in .xml files Bossly
thin glacier
Glass-mode. One hit and you die. lmao
autumn yarrow
Hardcore*
plush blaze
I already messed with the sword damage values when it was 10/10/10 instead of 10/20/30 to see how easy it would be to mod
And you just change the damage values for each of the swing animations
tiny barn
@thin glacier one hit and you die but you get viciously more powerful boons and upgrades
thin glacier
Ye
plush blaze
Buff every boon to legendary tier
thin glacier
100% damage reduction from persephone plix
wind vortex
Enemy onslaught
grand eagle
I really hope they bring back a idol system
plush blaze
data mining shows that there's Dionysus with a slow effect
wind vortex
Glass mode
tiny barn
@wind vortex boss rush mode
plush blaze
And references to elysium, which I assume is the 3rd area
wind vortex
No boons/Daedalus upgrades
tiny barn
before doing the boss rush
thin glacier
Boss rush mode? Kill Meg, Kill hydra. Win
tiny barn
you get 5-10 boons in one room
plush blaze
3x meg
tiny barn
(this is once all the other bosses are out)
plush blaze
fight all 3 furies at once
thin glacier
Im aware. Just was fun
plush blaze
But they're all meg
grand eagle
A idol system would make farming darkness more fun
autumn yarrow
I'd like the boss mode even now just to practice hydra fight...
wind vortex
6 bombers in the Tartarus encounter
thin glacier
Hydra needs good dps. Race her or die.
Bombers are friggin weak imo.
On the other hand.. I hate skeletons in stage 2
you dash, they turn around and slam you
I hate them with a passion
tiny barn
yeah, they have way too much tracking
autumn yarrow
why not dash after they attack?
thin glacier
I usually dash twice and end up in lava :/ 1 dmg is better then getting hit
Because blue crystals need to die asap
I usually dash into all enemies to focus them down
minor axle
i have come around on poseidon his cast boon is not bad
thin glacier
So, dash in, hit, dash out twice, repeat.
autumn yarrow
you can kite them out of blue gem range
thin glacier
But I need them all to be shieldless so I can bash them into lava :^)
Im just way too offensive on this game.
autumn yarrow
๐คท just a different playstyle i guess
I mean yea I too try to do as much damage as possible but blue gems are just that kind of interaction
thin glacier
Yep. Im usually the person to initiate. If enemies have armor, I dash-attack them, to get distance.
vestal snow
My guess for the Idol system is that it will be "Labors"
Like the Labors of Hercules
tiny barn
what's the Idol system?
is it like the optional challenges in every sgg game before this
errant narwhal
yes
oblique karma
random question: empty inside (aphrodite buff) and bronze skin (athena buff) do the same thing right? why is empty inside so much stronger
they both reduce damage dealt by enemies
proud storm
i dont know the specifics but yes
autumn yarrow
is there a rarity involved?
rocky whale
aphrodite also give you weak?
oblique karma
no rarity
thin glacier
idk. But theres a shield upgrade that also gives 20%. I had 90% with all combined
oblique karma
ohhh i see
rocky whale
oh ok
oblique karma
thanks @tiny barn
vestal snow
@tiny barn yeah, there's no indication yet that there will be one of those systems in the games, but since every SG has had something like that, I figure Hades will too
vestal snow
Yeah, that's what I figure
uneven shuttle
On the Aphrodite buff: It only applies to enemies within 400 units of you.
uneven shuttle
For comparison, that's the same radius as Tidal Dash
tiny barn
ah
uneven shuttle
You can find info like that on the wiki, by the way. Pretty sure I have all major damage ranges and radii listed.
No visual guide for what number is what, though
turbid needle
has anyone figured out wall slam damage?
toxic sinew
"I always wondered what would happen if you just kind of stood around while all their bombs went off!" Wow Hypnos needs to stay in his lane
turbid needle
it seems inconsistent
tiny barn
i think it scales with momentum
uneven shuttle
Not sure. Not a boon specific thing, so haven't looked into it yet
autumn yarrow
^
tiny barn
and distance from the wall
vestal snow
That would make sense
turbid needle
Ill just say thats what they scale with
Are there any boons that enhance backstab damage or is it just mirror upgrades?
tiny barn
mirror only
errant narwhal
i think i said this today already but bless you for putting this wiki together
proud storm
im gonna play hades for a little while so if you need anything you tell me
turbid needle
No problem!
And thanks to everyone else who has helped out either through directly editing the wiki or just providing us with info and screenshots ๐
uneven shuttle
Alright, I think I found the wall slam damage
CollisionDamagePerVelocity=0.01
It always seems to be either 0.01 or 0
It's enemy specific, though.
buoyant locust
guys i guess ive found a bug
uneven shuttle
So no guarantees.
buoyant locust
it might as well be a feature
uneven shuttle
@turbid needle
buoyant locust
when you pick ares's enchanment on your shield special, which causes enemies to suffer damage a moment later, it is possible to damage yourself if you catch the shield too early
uneven shuttle
Assuming the name's accurate, Poseidon's abilities should do max 20-25 damage on Wall Slams.
pastel jolt
that is indeed a....... very well-known issue
uneven shuttle
(some set velocity to 2500, some to 2000)
buoyant locust
k thx just wanted to inform
buoyant locust
that just got me killed twice in a row and now i actually hate ares so i really wanted this to be a known issue you know
ah well ive missed a channel as well
vague hearth
It is a known issue, so it should be fixed soon
uneven shuttle
Also, @turbid needle , there's a minimum proc velocity. It seems to be 1000, on all enemies that actually take Wall Slam damage.
Again, no guarantees, though.
Info's from Game/Units/Enemies.xml, by the way.
graceful bough
I've never gotten anywhere even close to the hydra without the shield
tiny barn
yeah, the final phase needs to be toned down
fluid moat
have you tried it with the new patch?
tiny barn
it's too big a mess
graceful bough
I literally just came to the discord right now to complain about it, playing the new patch.
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gleaming void
hi guys, I was wondering if any of you knew how poseidon buff works ? the one were you get 70% more of gold/HP/shadow, does it only works on drops or event with Charon ?
fluid moat
ahhhh
graceful bough
I'm starting to be like Zag.
tiny barn
it works on anything that gives you stuff
graceful bough
I'm having fun, great run.
tiny barn
just more stuff all around
gleaming void
Ok thanks
fluid moat
would it be helpful if I made a video for each weapon to explain a nice consistent ADC build for each?
graceful bough
Get to Hydra, "Welp, time to go die again."
gleaming void
Never got past Hydra tho
proud storm
wow the hydra boss fight is... much less chaotic now
graceful bough
You shouldn't need external strategies to figure out how to kill something.
I feel like that's bad game design.
hushed parrot
The shieldbug isn't limited to the Ares boon
thin glacier
I figured out, if hydra is aiming at you (if you stand on the right side of the arena f.e.) you can avoid massive arrows when you go on the opposite of the map. But you only have 3 dashes, so thats practically undoable.
You can pull it off, when you are near the main-head. But its shielded until the other heads die.
gleaming void
Yeah the shieldbug works with poseidon too
hushed parrot
but I guess it's most noticeable with Ares so people keep reporting it like that
gleaming void
I got many times into lava because of it
graceful bough
What's the shield bug?
fluid moat
hmmmm well any Primary Attack boon I could defeat hydra with, so I dont think external strategies is necessarily at work
gleaming void
and with Poseidon you get knocked back upon reception of the shield
graceful bough
I often have builds that focus on using special a lot, but haven't noticed anything weird about it.
fluid moat
yeah special feels a bit on the weaker end right now, except maybe a wonky bow build
or even spear
graceful bough
I mean the shield special.
gleaming void
I got killed by it with Ares Boon, feels bad
fluid moat
oh shield special doesn't do much yeah
thin glacier
Idk, I killed hydra with a buff zeus spear
gleaming void
It got nerfed tho
graceful bough
Which is kind of OP but I don't want to report to feedback in case they nerf it.
gleaming void
Only 15dmg now
graceful bough
Ah.
thin glacier
special build that is