i mean the burst ones are the same speed
#h1-builds-and-combat
sudden radish
I haven't noticed. I'm usually behind the wall when the burst ones are going off.
ornate forge
poggers these patch notes are amazing
ornate forge
finally base pierce on the bow
strange bronze
I forgot there was a head attack that literally was just a huge knockback
dire crystal
yeah it was uhh. oof.
strange bronze
it was like a wave of purple stuff that just, if you touch one, goodbye
yeah that's entirely gone
static field
to compensate for that boss nerf though they did prevent otks on it. now its amandator 3 stage proccesss
dire crystal
thank god
the boss was nerfed in its projectiles and buffed in skeletons
which is a fair trade
strange bronze
old fight was good, it just required a bit more specific kinds of builds
tawdry cairn
multi shot insta-gib was fun whole it lasted lol
static field
its too easy now i think
dire crystal
i dont think its too easy. this isnt an end game boss, theres gonna be more past this
strange bronze
I don't think it'll be too easy in the context of the final game
sudden radish
Yeah it feels like you can complete it now without having to spec specifically for it.
strange bronze
but I think it's too easy in the context of being the last of the content currently available
sudden radish
since it is a mid boss of sorts it shouldn't be too strong
static field
im in agreement with the omment from vilajin. it required the sort of builds were you could burst it in 2 roungs to not hace to deal with burst spikes and five hydras
strange bronze
I was hoping the nerfs would come along with the next content wave basically
opal solstice
it's nice that the hydra fights skeleton spawning mechanic is now much more obvious
strange bronze
but I like that you have the opportunity to experiment with less, uh, op builds
on this version
static field
its still really hard to see my character model in the hydra room
dire crystal
eh i think its fine even now. its not like playing the game over and over right now with its limited content is the most appealing thing, if you can beat the boss over and over and want more challenge then you can just wait for it lol
opal solstice
with so much going on in the og fight, the new version feels much more like you're managing mobs and such
tawdry cairn
The beuty of this game is that if it gets too easy for you, you can just get rid of all your mirror upgrades. lol
vague hearth
I LOVE POSIEDON DASH
opal solstice
the new dashes feel really cool
dire crystal
yeah!
strange bronze
poseidash \o/
opal solstice
though I do kinda miss the old dash method
sudden radish
I still haven't gotten to try the new poseidon dash. is it really that good?
opal solstice
I think surges should be in the game somewhere, just not sure where
strange bronze
it's real good
dire crystal
i didnt mind the old dashes but they just felt too akward
like i would never get one on purpose because they throw off my rhythm
tawdry cairn
I still love Poseidon cast more than anything. If you don't direct hit someone with it you still do dmg and can just pick it up immediately, thats insane.
strange bronze
not going over pits was a pretty huge nerf
dire crystal
yeah poseidon cast is great
strange bronze
of the surges
I mean, they had that effect, and it was a nerf to learn them because of that
sorry, words
dash also passes through terrain barriers like stairs and stuff
similar to transistor's dash
dire crystal
yeahhh
harsh kelp
So uh
I was about to go to Charon
With one health
Right before hydra
I dashed into lava
harsh kelp
No more death defiance
sudden radish
brutal
harsh kelp
Rip my 134 agony damage that had crit chance
strange bronze
if you spam LB quick enough (or whatever the keyboard equivalent is)
tawdry cairn
Who needs it, just don't get hit lol
azure swan
oh my days new Sword is delicious
strange bronze
you enter the "leaving area" mode and you don't take the lava damage
dire crystal
yeah
turbid needle
Is the Eye of Lamia supposed to trigger only once per room? I could be wrong, but I don't think I've ever seen more than 1 healing item drop per room when I got that buff. This is particularly nitceable in the Megaera boss fight when you cut down dozens of enemies and only 1 item drops.
fallen lintel
yeah sword buff is cool
dire crystal
you can also open 2 coffins at the same time by dashing inbetwene them and pressing the button
its funny
fallen lintel
yeah i don't think i've seen it drop more than once per room either and i use the charon boosting trinket
also i wish the bacon and ichor stacked i.e. multiple bacons or multiple ichors
boreal zephyr
Am I right in assuming that to start with up to 200g from your last run, you have to equip coin purse during your last run AND your new one?
sudden radish
yeah
boreal zephyr
is that intended?
sudden radish
it is real lame. If you unequip it you lose the 200 coins
Idk if its a bug or what.
tawdry cairn
Should only require being equiped at time of death imo
boreal zephyr
I agree
harsh kelp
Also to all my friends in the potato gang
oblique karma
Maybe drop that in feedback
sudden radish
Yeah I had assumed it worked that way. Found out the expensive way
harsh kelp
Turn your resolution down for Hydra lol, otherwise the frames go to like 5
tawdry cairn
she can be hard to see sometimes, especially when she doesnt have the ! over her head
sudden radish
she sometimes appears in the hallway with achilles too.
Dusa is the best.
I like the new Ares portrait. I think some of the other characters needed the love more though. few of them are basically color swaps.
harsh kelp
Yeah there's a bunch of the robed ones
toxic sinew
I assumed the characters in robes is just a placeholder model
tawdry cairn
I want them to take their time on Nyx, she deserves a badass portrait.
harsh kelp
All the portraits are great so far
Although Aphrodite looks like a dude
Idk if anyone else sees it
Or if it's just me
sudden radish
I kind of see it. She has some masculine facial features I think. I kind of like her design though. It doesn't feel stereotypical.
vagrant scaffold
I feel like Aphrodite looks like a text book Aphro if you ask me
Thought it isnt anything wrong with that
sudden radish
I meant specifically the facial features.
opal solstice
idk it's weird that people think women have a specific type of jawline, when in fact the majority of women I know have really varied jawlines, and only a few have those textbook "womanly" jawlines
toxic sinew
Question. With gods' keepsakes that make the next boon be theirs and make their blessings stronger, what is meant by "making their blessings stronger"? I started a run with the blood vial, then between Tartarus and Asphodel I switched it to Cerberus' collar, but my Ares boon stats didn't change. Does it only affect how they roll when you find that god's boon?
sudden radish
I believe that is the case.
Equipping it doesn't raise boons you already have and removing it does not lower boons you have. I believe it either raises the base value of the boons you acquire or it improves odds of getting Rare version, but it is probably the former.
toxic sinew
That seems to make the most sense, thanks
sudden radish
I found that unless there is a specific boon you want to get for a build you are going for the individual god trinkets aren't really worth it. I used Charons trinket the most before and now that it has been buffed I only use it.
harsh kelp
That + the mirror buffs to rolls really help
But yeah like Alex said, unless you're going for a specific build you're better off just using a more general purpose trinket
tawdry cairn
Once I started getting lvls in deep pockets I really started to love charon's keepsake
sudden radish
Yeah it's great. I used Cerberus' collar for a while until I got my deep pockets up just for general survivability.
toxic sinew
I guess other trinkets might be better, but honestly I never really struggle in Tartarus anymore, so I generally like to look for a boon from a god I like and just switch it after Meg
tawdry cairn
I wish Nyx's keepsake had more uses or maybe increased dash distance or something.
sudden radish
Yeah I don't think I have even noticed that you can't walk through enemies let alone wished for a trinket to allow it.
toxic sinew
Right? Like if you can just dash through them anyway it feels pointless to not have collision.
sudden radish
Yeah Nyx needs more love. Her portrait and trinket need an overhaul.
twin crag
sorry to interupt, but does anyone have any tips for the hydra? i have the bow but im using a majority Poseidon dash build (which miiiight have been a bad choice)
tall gulch
Yeah, poseidon isn't great for the hydra
sudden radish
It will help with the skeletons at least.
tall gulch
Artemis crit dash is the best for bow against the Hydra
toxic sinew
Crit dash is insane in general
tall gulch
True
tall gulch
That's what keepsakes are for
toxic sinew
Crit dash plus triple shot lets you laugh at timer rooms because you clear them faster than they spawn
tall gulch
Yeah
sudden radish
be patient when just the single head is up. Don't take unnecessary hits. Dash out from behind wall hit dash back repeat. When there are multiple heads try and quickly clear out one side so you can use can feel safe there and snipe the other side.
tall gulch
^
twin crag
just died, wasn't actually too bad, got to approx. half health then died to one of the heads. but think that's a valiant first attempt at the hydra
sudden radish
definitely. Hydra crushed me the first few (dozen probably) time I tried it.
In the later phases it can feel overwhelming.
twin crag
its mostly me struggling against meg rn. i just get stomped each and every time
yeah i agree
opal solstice
crit dash with triple shot is really good
harsh goblet
Just get spear and try to use spin attack after she charges at you :d
sudden radish
With Meg I find it helps to keep moving. It is more a challenge in spinning plates (clearing mobs, dodging projectiles, etc.). After she dashes at you she is vulnerable and safe to hit a few times.
Picking up a dash attack can be helpful. That way you are still damaging stuff while you focus on surviving.
harsh goblet
^
dashing + damage is one of the best tactics (kinda a must for me)
twin crag
ii.... just picked the wrong boon so oof
yeah my tactic is just to dash like mad and use that as my main damage
sudden radish
Aphrodites dash can be a good choice because the weak it applies will redduce the damage you take and you hit both where you dash to and where you dash from.
toxic sinew
Holy crap lifesteal on sword absolutely trivializes hydra
sudden radish
I saw the buffed that and want to give it a try.
Using the sword feels like I am playing on a harder difficulty or something. Maybe I am just not used to attack sequence because I so quickly stopped using before.
toxic sinew
It's weird for me too since I'm used to every other weapon. But I got through it with lifesteal like I said, deflect on special, and a stacked Ares curse damage.
untold trellis
I just had a trial of the gods room and both gods gave me their legendaries
toxic sinew
So I basically had special as my panic button while I dashed around and applied curses to everyone.
untold trellis
artemis and zeus
harsh goblet
Spear is just the best weapon, i hopr they could add more types of weapon in the future
sudden radish
@untold trellis Nice!
@harsh goblet Yep spear is so good. That spin will assuredly get nerfed at some point
sudden radish
There are a bunch of blank slots so I am sure more weapons are on the way.
harsh goblet
Spin attack has 100 basic dmg, which is insanely high
Combine with backstab and bonus attack dmg, it can destroy everything
sudden radish
Yeah I had that with aphrodite perk that increases dam weak enemies take (pre nerf) and was hitting for over 1000 consistently.
You can clear most of the available content just hitting backstab spins.
ocean halo
As i understand from feedback shield is unplayable right now if you are planning to build special ?
sudden radish
The shield special has a bug now that sometimes causes your gods boon to hit you. Aphrodites will make you weak and Ares will darn near kill you.
It is not unplayable, but if you use the special alot it is certainly harder.
twin crag
yeah it can be a pain, but i find it doesnt happen very often
harsh goblet
The best part about shield is getting ocean god (idk his name) attack buff. Basically you hit the enemies away :)) it is fun
twin crag
Poseidon's special on the shield is a fun time
... accept when it throws you across the room
sudden radish
lol I didn't even think of that.
twin crag
its quite funny to watch
harsh goblet
But when you get dmg from ares buff... well not fun at all
twin crag
thats a whole lot less fun
sudden radish
Yeah makes Ares off limits til the bug is fixed with shields. Aphrodite was annoying, but just made the fight longer.
harsh goblet
I’m wondering what weapon are coming next... axe? Dual blades? Mines?
What do u think
toxic sinew
A hammer would be fun
static field
im hoping for alcehmy potions
sudden radish
Fist weapons.
toxic sinew
Oooh, I like the idea of fist weapons
twin crag
idk order but some kind of duel weapon, and some kind of lobbing weapon. like bombs
static field
it would be cool if each weaopn had its one upgradble mastery tree
sudden radish
Alchemy stuff could be cool./
harsh goblet
But surely building machines weapon is off the chart :))) it does’t fit the game
static field
presently they seem to have weaopons of mortals. maybe theyll have advanced weaponry or something like zuese lightinign or posideons trident or soemthing
harsh goblet
I want to see another ranged weapon. The bow is just bad rn. Slow attack with low dps
sudden radish
Well all the weapons so far were once weilded by the gods (according to the codex at least).
static field
bow is awesome
toxic sinew
Yeah, bow is fantastic not sure what you mean
harsh goblet
Like spear is just better, i dont see why i should use bow
static field
bow is generally more sonsitent for me then the other wepns atm
its powerful when used in a particular way. the way is easy. dahs attack constantly never stand still. never perform an attack tats not a dash attack
sudden radish
bow got a lot better with the patch today, but I agree that spear is my favorite. If it was another ranged weapon it would need to feel different than just another bow though.
azure swan
problem is - spear works literally always, while all other weapons need specific boons to shine
and even if you get those boons, you will utilize them better with spear nonetheless
harsh goblet
I think they should change the price of weapon, i know it’s cheap (1,3,4 keys) but i think its’s better to have same price and balance the dmg
sudden radish
@azure swan Yeah which is why I fear the inevitable spear nerf.
azure swan
but sword and bow should be worse, no? that's why you get bonus darkness while using them
static field
i think every build got a lot better with teh patch today since hydra is now trivial. this is because it was a dps test where only certain builds that can kill hydra quickly in the previous patch were succesifful. to that end, id even say that bow was very solid in doing that burst building a whole bunch of attack scalers.
errant narwhal
dont fear the spear nerf
harsh goblet
Spear does much better dps. The special allows 1 backstab sk u do good damage in less than 1s easily. Spin attack is just op, normal attack is fast
sudden radish
Yeah the hyrdra nerf definitely made me more comfortable in trying different builds and weapons. It doesn't feel like I need to prepare for that fight as much.
errant narwhal
shield got nerfed and its still pretty good
(its bugged rn but i mean. that will be fixed asap)
so it probably wont go from god tier to original-sword-bad tier
azure swan
spear is not only good because of high damage numbers, it's good just for the way it works
sudden radish
@errant narwhal Yeah I'm sure it will still be good. I just always worry about overcorrection when things get balanced.
azure swan
fast, safe
harsh goblet
Shield is the most fun to play for me. I hope dev can fix shield asap
azure swan
that charge+dash combo is what makes it so good
sudden radish
I do really like the shield. It feels really dynamic.
The spear I just pretty much charge, dash , repeat like Good said.
harsh goblet
Perfect combination for melee and ranged attack
sudden radish
And you can use the shield as a well.... shield if you want.
harsh goblet
I am talking abiut shield. Shield has many ways to play with and all of them are very dynamic
sudden radish
yeah. it feels like a really nicely balance combination of abilities. The spear in contrast has a fantastic spin, but the Special is pretty useless (in my opinion).
static field
imo all specials are most of the times useless
toxic sinew
I feel like the spear special isn't inherently bad, it's just that it doesn't do enough to justify using it over the dash spin
sudden radish
The buff on the sword giving it knockback made it useable at least. The shield special is ok ignoring the bug of course. And the bow special is great. Get 100% more projectile perk and point blank destroy stuff.\
static field
those are in limited seeds
adn even then its more reliable for me to rely on its auto attack for bow at least
toxic sinew
I still think I want faster recovery on bow special though
thorny zenith
yay sword decent now
sudden radish
@toxic sinew You are not wrong. A faster recovery would be nice. Might be too good though then.
static field
well bow is about to to get nerfed. quick tempest is presetnyl bugged
its giving 3x damage not 2x
toxic sinew
Wouldn't need much; I just want to not instantly blow up because I pressed special with two enemies sort of close
sudden radish
lol true. It can definitely be a high risk attack.
harsh goblet
Spear special needs good boons to be good. But when it does, it does insane single and aoe dmg
sudden radish
@thorny zenith Decent is an appropriate word for it. I hear the lifesteal perk with it makes it much stronger though.
static field
ilfe steal wiht it is autowin
toxic sinew
Yeah, sword lifesteal is SO good now
azure swan
lifesteal didn't get better tho 😄 you just have more health
harsh goblet
Lifesteal is like cheating this this type of game
toxic sinew
Maybe there's a way to implement it like Dead Cells, where you have lifesteal on hit, but you also take more damage?
sudden radish
It does seem strong, but I feel the sword needs something like that. It's the only weapon with a complette lack of a ranged option.
static field
is it not the same as what they presently have parafox
it is compeltely equibalent i think
all sources of health are reduced by a certain percentage
harsh goblet
Dead cells is pretty solid, lifesteal is pretty normal, not even op at all
worn fulcrum
This game has rally just like Dead Cells
sudden radish
Honestly in Dead Cells I avoid the lifesteal. That bonus damage (especially later on) is a real killer.
azure swan
i like sword with athena+daedalus special and poseidon bonus to slamming damage
just Q dash Q dash Q all the way
toxic sinew
Yeah, DC lifesteal I find is pretty much just for areas with high density, reroll for bosses probably
sudden radish
@azure swan The poseidon perk on the sword special could be real interesting.
azure swan
yea with inbuilt aoe-kb now it's really strong
vague hearth
It is
azure swan
i literally didnt make a single strike with sword itself, sword is just another spear now, just more clunky 😄
sudden radish
lol.
static field
how did you do hydra?
azure swan
Q dash Q dash Q dash Q
static field
is q special?
toxic sinew
I made it to Hydra with a special-build sword and died at Hydra because of the recovery time XD
static field
yea how doesnt revocery time kill that strategy durign hydra?
sudden radish
When I cleared hydra using sword it was mainly because I had artemis true shot buffed up on my cast.
plucky oxide
got the game a few hours ago. was stuck at the first boss, but the following soared me through the entire second act no problem at all.
got a good run in the first zone with three perks; a flat damage % up | the reduced health but 10% gain on third strike | and the guaranteed crit after dodge
Only took poms and health upgrades. Was a bit... too good. I'd like to see how other weapons fare.
ocean halo
Bow is hella good now
static field
guaranteed crit and dmage is i think the most consitent and succeiul strat to
plucky oxide
lifesteal made it a bit too spammy without much consideration. I'll try bow next.
It took me a while to start relying on dodge. Game has a way of easing you into the style of 'always be doing something'
sudden radish
@plucky oxide yeah the lifesteal perk on the sword is arguably too strong now.
static field
i imagine the only real advantage of trying tdifferent things are in preparation for an ultimate strategy in which the seed doesnt present wyou with dash crit and damage scaling. and in those seeds there may be a a path to victory invvolving chesses wtih specials and such
plucky oxide
shields as primary weapons is such a fun idea. seems like silly Poseidon perks could be really fun, but i don't see the bosses batting an eye at wall slam damage.
azure swan
you can make Meg take wall slam damage if you deflect her dash while she dashes into a wall, but thats it
plucky oxide
hey, at least thats something!
will have to try that out, but i fear using the ricochet after i killed myself a few times from agony being thrown on my face. took me a bit to learn it was bugged.
i'll stick with fiddling with the bow for now, then
sudden radish
@plucky oxide Yeah the shield is my favorite weapon design at least. The special (although bugged) and bash both are serviceable. The spear is still the most powerful weapon imho. You can charge the spin and then dash to great effect.
ocean halo
Bow is realy good now
sudden radish
You can also charge the bow and then dash as well I believe. I rarely do it though.
rich kestrel
I just had a play through where I was randomly taking 10-20 damage from what looked like Ares curse
ocean halo
just killed hydra frst try on new patch
sudden radish
Bow got a lot better with the patch today.
rich kestrel
Anyone else seen that?
rich kestrel
Ah ok I thought I was losing my marbles
lost rose
It's been reported a ton of times
sudden radish
@rich kestrel Yes the special on the shield is bugged and sometimes your gods boon hits you
ocean halo
@rich kestrel its shield bug
lost rose
The devs are working on a hotfix
rich kestrel
Ahhh that makes sense haha, cheers 😃
sudden radish
Aphrodite will weaken you ares will hit you etc.
rich kestrel
Achievement Unlocked: Stop hitting yourself!
sudden radish
lol
plucky oxide
zeus' knockback was p silly on myself. it was terrifying to know that any enemy could just be shot in whatever-which direction during my ricochet, including myself. it was quite fun.
azure swan
i can't quite put my finger on what changed on hydra (except you can't skip phases anymore?) but she is so so so easy now 😦
rich kestrel
I only beat Hydra once with sword by stabbing it in the back repeatedly
azure swan
i wonder if you can slam yourself into a wall with poseidon Q 😄
rich kestrel
The shield kept sodding off with the Q so was unusable basically I found
sudden radish
@azure swan There were several changes. The most impactful one in my opinion is it no longer fires as many fast projectiles at you while the other heads are out.
rich kestrel
Does the screens till zoom out a lot? I hate that
Makes it hard to see where you are
sudden radish
Yes it does. Kind of a necessary evil so that you can keep track of all the possible heads I think
rich kestrel
Yeah, I can see why they did it
sudden radish
@azure swan But you are right the fight is significantly more manageable now.
rich kestrel
Apparently you can self slam @azure swan someone just reported it
azure swan
\o/
rich kestrel
Did you see the bow kill on hydra pre-patch?
Just backstab q 3 times and it died
more like 2 1/4 times really
I can't even get past Mag with the bow
Has anyone figured out how much darkness you need to max all the stats? I have almost everything except the boon chance stuff %
sudden radish
well it is 5000 darkness I believe for the boon chance stuff.
25 ranks of legend at 100 a pop and 50 ranks of rare at 50 a pop
I did the math in my head so forgive me if I'm wrong.,
rich kestrel
🤔 I was thinking of a build to farm it by maxing what I have in the epic % chance and hoping for Poseidon to give me the Ocean bounty perk with his trinket straight away
sudden radish
7854+81 I think.
rich kestrel
Oh dang
sudden radish
I have 7854 and need 81 to get the last two ranks. That's how I got those numbers.
rich kestrel
nice
sudden radish
yes, but at the same time I wiill miss getting upgrades. Brass rings to reach for make the runs satisfying.
rich kestrel
Well in 30 days I'm sure the patch will bring new stuff including upgrades to unlock
sudden radish
Yeah I wasn't going to play today, but I heard about the balance changes and had to check it out.... and then couldn't stop playing again.
Got a pile of keys burning a hole in my pocket.
oak epoch
Don’t get ares boon for the shield throw right now. The delayed damage will harm you as well. Kill me on a good run.
sudden radish
lol yeah. Been hearing alot of that. I got weakened by it myself. Not nearly as bad as the Ares I imagine.
From what I understand they are working on a hot fix for that.
oak epoch
Be sides that I’ve really enjoyed the new patch.
sudden radish
yeah. They made the bow and sword significantly more useable.
and Ares is supposed to be better as well, but I still avoid him out of habit more than anything.
Although his new portrait is real nice.
rich kestrel
I always seem to find Aphro is best generally
sudden radish
yes. Her and artemis
I do like athena deflect for the spear spin.
They nerfed Aphro's one perk that increases damage to weakened enemies, but she is still great.
rich kestrel
Yeah, weakness + % damage, increase % damage to weakened, weakened enemies do less % damage to you are all really nice
I think trinkets need some balance as well
One step at a time though I guess
sudden radish
yeah I find most of the trinkets kind of usseless. I only use Charons now.
oak epoch
If you use their keepsake it increases the chances of seeing them right?
sudden radish
It ensures the next boon you see is them, but I don't know if it increases it after that. It also makes boons you acquire stronger.
rich kestrel
Yeah, god keepsake makes theirs appear and apparently increases how good the boon is (that bit should be clearer imo, is it only when equipped or higher chance of epic/legendary)
sudden radish
Now you will see a god you have a boon for more frequently because of the god clashes that can happen.
rich kestrel
The dusa one got buffed but I think it's still a bit crap
2% chance of something useful happening on broken stuff? 🤔
sudden radish
Yeah it was 1% before. I don't even know what it is now.
lol wow
doubled its effectiveness I guess.
oak epoch
Lol
sudden radish
The +4 turns on purchased items is way better. That is 7 rooms of guaranteed healing or bonus dam etc.
rich kestrel
I think it's a bit mean that after you beat mag you get a well, which has charge based items in it and you lose a charge immediately to the next area
hidden patrol
i dont think dusa is soo bad considering there can be like 30 pots in one room
rich kestrel
2% of healing items, that item better heal you to full
hidden patrol
better than the extra health after a few rooms
sudden radish
well a lot of the items are encounter based and not room based.
the healing one uses charges every room, but stuff like increased dam doesn't lose a charge unless you fight.
hidden patrol
i bet you can average 100 health or more in a run from that
rich kestrel
Ah I see
I've always though the Orpheus one sounds better than it is
Trinket I mean
hidden patrol
but i'd defenetly fick the +rooms one over her aswell
rich kestrel
200% to distant enemies plus shield Q should be nice especially if you backstab
hidden patrol
it is 200% now?
sudden radish
I forgot about the orpheus one to tell you the truth. I was using spear spin for so long it didn't even occur to me.
static field
is it really? it was 120 when i last saw
sudden radish
back to forgetting about it then.
static field
200% is for a certain boon i think.
rich kestrel
yeah
the Coin Purse was useful for getting the posters
I imagine it being useful for other stuff they add later
tiny barn
so far, the strongest boon out of all of them seems to be the aphrodite damage buff combined with the bow/shield
i think in my first time i beat the hydra (and only time so far, unfortunately) i was doing about 1.2k damage on a backstab with the bow
rich kestrel
Currently it's just one Daedalus upgrade right?
tiny barn
yeah, i think so
because those are meant to define how you play with a weapon in that run
copper berry
yeah top tier is Aphrodite + Artemis for bow
and then Artemis + Athena or Aphro for spear
besides having the biggest dmg increase, aphrodite also has a bug with her boon that makes weak enemies take more dmg
tiny barn
the best thing for shield is attack buff from aphrodite
copper berry
its applying twice instead of once
tiny barn
and also having more dashes lol
what are y'all's favorite weapons?
mine is the shield due to the fact that you can tokyo drift with it if you dash right after the charge
rich kestrel
I did Hydra with sword, but I was basically using shield only with Q special
regal falcon
Shield is little overpowered for my taste
copper berry
ah nevermind looks like they fixed the aphrodite sweet surrender bug
rich kestrel
Couldn't do hydra with it because it would just sod off
sudden radish
Just finished a bow run that weapon has gotten pretty good. Also wow that new poseidon dash is great.
copper berry
or just tuned it down so they dont ahve to fix it :p
vague hearth
Ikr
tiny barn
i did a sword run where i got the dash upgrade from the daedalus hammer
flint totem
It had both done to it
tiny barn
and then i got the new poseidon dash
i couldn't hit any enemies with the dash attack after that lol
sudden radish
lol
vague hearth
The poseidon dash works well with two or three dashes too because you can follow them up by chasing down the enemy you knock back
flint totem
Sweet surrender is calculated properly now I think
tiny barn
but then they get knocked back further
flint totem
Definitely no longer a s tier skill
tiny barn
i think that poseidon dash is most useful in asphodel
sudden radish
Yeah sweet surrender is till good. Just not darn near godlike.. pun intended.
tiny barn
because you can just terminator 2 your enemies
vague hearth
I used the poseidon dash with the supernova and poseidon special and it was awesome
flint totem
I personally love Artemis' dash but I play a lot of bow
sudden radish
Artemis dash with spear is real strong
tiny barn
btw
vague hearth
The trick with making that work is to hit the special as soon as you can after hitting the dash
sudden radish
Spear is still the best room clear weapon imho, but the bow does a real number on hydras head with the increased range now.
vague hearth
Then they just get yeeted
tiny barn
y'know what's a thing i only learned in my last run with the spear
you can dash while charging the spin so you hit things that are out of its range
vague hearth
Yup
sudden radish
@tiny barn yeah dashing with the spear charge is why it's great. You can charge, dash behind, then win.
tiny barn
yeah, that backstab damage is vicious
vague hearth
It's a really useful technique that gives the charge so much utility
vague hearth
I was hitting 400 damage on meg without artemis dash
sudden radish
easyu
tiny barn
i think in the run with the bow where i beat the game/hydra
i killed meg before she spawned the first wave of adds
sudden radish
lol wow
tiny barn
and the hydra before his second wave of heads
vague hearth
Oof
tiny barn
(this was using sweet surrender obviously, so i'm guessing it probably won't work again)
sudden radish
I always do the meg fight kind of slow. I could prob kill her faster, but I tend to do the boss fights real defensive.
vague hearth
That's fair
It pays to be safer sometimes
Also can you get more than ome daedalus hammer?
errant narwhal
yeah, you also cant skip phases anymore iirc
sudden radish
no
vague hearth
Ah, ok
sudden radish
@errant narwhal I noticed that. The fight is really well balanced now (imho) so it seems fair to force the phases.
opal solstice
meg fight is really good for grinding for gold
tiny barn
alright lads
i'm thinking of farming darkness so i can up my 'more rare/epic boons' things to max
and my current plan is to use the poseidon keepsake
tiny barn
and reset the run until i get him in my first three rooms with his 'more gold/darkness/health' boon
@dense sundial get a run where you have sweet surrender and can apply weakness easily
copper berry
So correct me if im wrong, but it seems like you can't do hydra in less than 4 phases now?
It always gets to spawn heads 3 times?
I mean, unless you were to do an absolutely crazy amount of damage, but it looks like when it gets to a threshold it just becomes impervious, when before it didn't do it during its attack animations.
flint totem
Yesh
proud storm
Yeah
flint totem
It gains that impervious once the threshold is met
So unless you have enough burst to make it through to the second heads phase very quickly you gotta do all the phases
proud storm
I mean as fun and satisfying as it is youre not supposed to murder the bone noodle in 10 seconds
tiny barn
i don't know about y'all but the final hydra phase is kinda a mess
flint totem
It is chaotic for sure but fair enough that I feel good for doing it
tiny barn
it turns into a bullet hell, basically
errant narwhal
@copper berry check the patch notes :P
proud storm
Havent played since update
copper berry
I saw that the patch notes said they changed the mechanics
errant narwhal
also, just beat meg with the sword
copper berry
but I just wanted to confirm
tiny barn
i'd say the way to make it a bit less of a mess on the eyes is to lower the attack rates of the side heads
flint totem
Grats alma
copper berry
with sword? 
tiny barn
just in that final phase
errant narwhal
i think this means i beat her with every weapon now
sudden radish
@dense sundial Play it safe when only one head is out. Hide behind wall. Wait for it to fire the fifth shot then dash out get a few hits and dash back. You don't want to give up unnecessary hits on that phase. When the multiple heads come out focus on clearing out one side of the map so you can use that as a safe shelter while sniping the other side.
errant narwhal
yep, its Okay now!
proud storm
Beat her with the t-pose special
errant narwhal
the only weapon upgrade i have is Double Edge, which strikes twice and gives a crit on a dash attack
and poseidon dash
flint totem
Lots of stabbing huh?
errant narwhal
so i did it without extremely broken boons, which means i.... might actually be getting better at the game?
proud storm
Did they remove the surge mechanic entirely
flint totem
Yes
sudden radish
@errant narwhal That new poseidon dash is great. I like the double charge as well. Still don't love the sword though.
errant narwhal
looks like it for now
yeah it just doesnt feel as good, i like the range options
its much much better now though
sudden radish
I heard the life steal sword is really good now. I just don't want to gamble on getting that perk though.
errant narwhal
i liked that one upgrade... whats it called. maybe world splitter?
tiny barn
world splitter felt clunky to me, when i used it
idk if it's just be being weird again
errant narwhal
it does 400% more damage but is a single short ranged strike, right
tiny barn
ye
errant narwhal
it just felt very powerful and i liked that but idk how viable it is because a lot of stuff is not good for that short a range
cant imagine beating meg with it without a cast build lol
dense sundial
Whos the best character to give ambrosia to? All rewards seem so bad now
sudden radish
yeah and not having the swipe anymore makes clearing some projectiles later on harder.
flint totem
can't seem to do it with spear
sudden radish
@dense sundial Charon is by far my favorite trinket.
dense sundial
I mean they both kinda suck
tiny barn
(not in terms of gameplay, mind you)
dense sundial
I run doggo
tiny barn
best trinket is either dog or aphrodite's rose
sudden radish
I ran cerberus for a while too.
tiny barn
because she's still really strong
dense sundial
i also thought of that
errant narwhal
meg is really good
proud storm
I usually run meggie
sudden radish
what is Megs?
flint totem
Yeah meg actually post meg fight
errant narwhal
140% more dmg when under 40% hp
proud storm
Dmg increase at low health
dense sundial
whats a death denial?
sudden radish
oh. That probably would be pretty good. Charon charm is still too good for me to pass up now though.
errant narwhal
death defiance brings you back to 20 health when you run out
proud storm
Up to three times
flint totem
I usually start run with a god keepsake then switch to Meg for part 2
well I have had 5 death defiance up at one point
You can pick them up from Charon's Well for 90 gold once in a while
tiny barn
Yup, the kiss of styx
proud storm
Skelly's gives you a death defy charge too
sudden radish
1 health though I think with Skelly
flint totem
Only brings you up to 10 on that one though
sudden radish
oh 10
flint totem
Patched it up to 10
proud storm
Used to be 1
sudden radish
oh ok. I'm not crazy. Well at least that isn't a sign of it.
flint totem
Yeah your old man-ness isn't kicking in just yet
granite jackal
I really just need like
Boys' Night Out y'know
Skelly, Sisyphus, Zag
Just chilling and drinking Ambrosia
flint totem
Bring Orpheus and Achilles in there
granite jackal
Yeahhh haha
dense sundial
does giving multiple ambosia to one character do anything?
granite jackal
It fills one more Heart inside their Codex Entry
Hitting certain Heart Thresholds gives you more Lore on them.
Hearts that are Locked cannot be attained during the current Version of Hades.
sudden radish
I believe at certain heart levels you get additional dialogue from them as well.
granite jackal
^Yes I forgot to mention, thank you!
dense sundial
hmm okay thanks
tiny barn
Y'know what would be neat?
If, once you beat the full game proper, you can get boons from Hades as well
flint totem
Go Alma go
errant narwhal
i bet im gonna die to it but thats impressive imo, it feels better to play than before
i have a level 6 tidal dash and nothing else going for me though
sudden radish
@tiny barn I could see Hades offering boons, but they are kind of more curses then bonuses. LIke 20% more special damage, but take 10% more damage that sort of thing.
tiny barn
Yeah, that could be neat
His legendary boon is "do triple damage, but take double damage"
sudden radish
@errant narwhal lol hey that tidal dash can win a lot of fights.
errant narwhal
flint totem
DANCE ON THE HYDRA'S STUPID FACE
My shield run might have had me doing that tactic with bladerift dash
sudden radish
Honestly Tidal dash and double edge could win you that fight
tiny barn
Shield and blade surge were super good as a combo
tiny barn
You'd just dash into the enemy and then turn into a beyblade
sudden radish
yes
errant narwhal
i hope they will win me that fight, but im not sure im that good
sudden radish
@errant narwhal love it. Dash build for life
errant narwhal
well see how new hydra is now
tiny barn
@errant narwhal just git gud, lad
errant narwhal
i am lol
its just taking time
btw did you know you can put candles out by hitting them
but they get reignited, probably because its so hot in asphodel
tiny barn
Neat, I did not
flint totem
Nice attention to detail
By that point in a run I am too busy making sure I remember all my tools
errant narwhal
well i died
but thats the farthest ive gotten with the sword, with a not ideal build
sudden radish
Darn. The daring dash dream dies here I guess.
errant narwhal
it was pretty good though
i just got overwhelmed with all the bloodless and also had no death defies because i wasnt playing carefully before asphodel
because i mean. cmon. i didnt expect to get that far with the sword
sudden radish
lol fair.
flint totem
LOL I always expect to get to the hydra
Beating the dang thing not really in the calculations
Beaten it with no Death Defies and lost to it when I have had more than enough
Especially because I get a lot more greedy when I know I still have charges up
errant narwhal
i beat meg pretty consistently now
but not the hydra, especially when i just mess around
sudden radish
I recently beat the hydra having not used any of my death defies and I believe that is the first time that I've done that. Before the patch I expected to burn through at least two on that fight alone.
Assuming I didn't get lucky with an OP combination of Boons.
flint totem
Depends on my weapon I am pretty confident when I am using the bow other weapons not so much
sudden radish
the last run I did was the bow and that was the first time I think I liked using it. I am still a die hard spear supporter, but I am trying to diversify. Shield is alot of fun.
shell notch
I just beat the hydra for the first time with my least favourite weapon, the bow :D
sudden radish
Nice congrats!
shell notch
now to beat it with weapons I prefer...
sudden radish
The bow got a lot better with the patch. The extended range makes it a lot nicer on the hydra fight.
copper berry
yeah bow is broken now
which was great since I thought it was broken before
having piercing is NUTTY
flint totem
It helps with the Bow's biggest weakness pre-patch
Crowd control
You can get overwhelmed so quickly without the piercing
shell notch
I ended up spamming special, maybe shooting should be on my todo list
errant narwhal
so long spear
copper berry
and even with hydra having to make you go through 4 phases
i still had a 10:18, only 20 sec past my current pb
copper berry
and it was really mediocre too
sudden radish
Nice. a speedrun mode could be neat. I am too lazy to time myself, but that would be an interesting way to create new goals for myself.
copper berry
I got aphrodite early, but then I got ares or something, and i didnt get artemis crit dash until 4 rooms into asphodel
errant narwhal
im playing myself now but ill def show up if you stream later, i wanna see it in action
copper berry
alrightyy
errant narwhal
gonna try an artemis cast build now with the spear, it seems fun
sudden radish
That is one of my go to builds. Artemis true shot makes short work of hydra heads and spear makes short work of everything else.
tiny barn
The shield is the best weapon for every fight, at least for me
Except for the hydra
It's not that good then
copper berry
also not having armored skeleboys in asphodel makes it much faster as well
errant narwhal
....ok no im not
i took the bow and forgot to change it
guess im doing a bow/artemis cast run
sudden radish
yeah grabbing zeus cast or artemis cast was kind of necessary for hydra before this patch (for me of course).
thorny sun
my last successful bow run had the 250% damage on power shot from the hammer, the poseidon attack boon, and the dash crit from artemis
it was so strong
static field
for me it was grabbing artemsis dash crit along with any attack scaler for last patch
this patch everything wins
thorny sun
dash crit seems top tier for every weapon
sudden radish
Yeah dash crit is great. That Poseidon dash though is real strong now.
thorny sun
that carried me through until the hydra on my sword attempt
...then the hydra murdered me, but that wasn't unexpected.
how 2 sword
tiny barn
You don't sword
thorny sun
I don't get it.
errant narwhal
hmm, sniper shot or piercing shot
tiny barn
What does piercing shot do in the new patch?
errant narwhal
not a cast build at all but im doing p good with the bow so i hope that when i beat meg this time, i can actually give her a gift
tiny barn
Tbh i want to beat meg every time just so I can talk to her afterwards lol
static field
my sword strategy seems to be dependant on what the hammer shows. I prioritize cirt dash, attack scale, crit on boons and from hammer i prioritize lifesteal. if no lifesteal then either the dahs attack one or any of the other ones that remove lunge. lunge is bad i think because it makes you stationary and stuck for too long. playstyle is simple. dash attack into either (a) another dash attack or (b) attack. Then repeat. Rarely I auto thrice back to back without dash attack unless its the lifesteal (unless its stunlockable with no risk). For hydra because it is always in 3 phases i take the main event slow, and hit the main head quick and hard when it is safe. waiing behind walls for his cast and waiting before poucning during his reach and slam. If he reaches and slams, then i go behind and spam attack with the above combo and when his cast triggers, its easy enough to tank a few hits while only chaning dash attacks. When the five hydras spwan im still working out an poptimal play style, but i tend to play on the side opposite of the main hydra and when hydra does the slow cast, just dash attack inbetween them, like dash attack into dash attack etc with maybe 1 or 0 autos inbetween
thorny sun
how do i properly utilize the various ares boons?
tiny barn
You run into the enemy and press LMB a bunch
primal kayak
Or make the whole place a blade rift
tepid vigil
well im new to the game
azure swan
Skull Earring
tepid vigil
i've made it far to asphodel and around second floor of it
azure swan
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy better
tepid vigil
chamber*
tiny barn
Skull earring is meg, yeah?
azure swan
yea
thorny sun
thats a good one
tiny barn
Yeah, hers is fantastic for the hydra
sudden radish
wow. Got the life steal on the sword. It is like playing on easy mode. killed hydra with almost full health and never bought any healing stuff.
tepid vigil
hydra, thanatos uff
tiny barn
I never got the life steal buff, what does it do exactly? @sudden radish
sudden radish
You life steal on the 3rd strike (the lunge) and you have 35% less health.
primal kayak
35%? Was it changed from 50%?
sudden radish
Yeah they buffed it this patch
tiny barn
Oh, that sounds really good
sudden radish
It is crazy good.
primal kayak
Does the life steal still work on urns?
primal kayak
The upgrades make it pretty cool
azure swan
but you need at least 2 of them
reload from artemis and any cast perk for your liking
aphro shotgun or arte true shot are the popular ones
errant narwhal
numbskulls and pests
tiny barn
Or Beyblade from ares
errant narwhal
for the cast
and when its upgraded, with the right upgrades it can wreck everything
tiny barn
Btw
azure swan
at that point any weapon can wreck with the right upgrades
cast just requires more of them and therefore is an inferior option
tiny barn
Am I the only one who thinks the skeleboys from asphodel have a bit too much tracking?
(the guys that don't throw bombs, but melee shove you)
azure swan
idk they seem fine
tiny barn
Maybe it is just because I like to get up close and personal, idk
magic maple
https://imgur.com/kWH2E8v
I love it when a build comes together like this.
Ended up doing 600dmg on hydra with backstab bonus
tiny barn
Congrats
grand patrol
nice!!!!
magic maple
@dense sundial just luck, there is currently no way to influence what boons you get apart from the rings, although I just put a suggestion in feedback to use the keys to reroll available boons.
Some boons just synergise very well. The odds of getting so many that influence basic attack from those particular gods were slim to none. (I think I might go buy some Lottery tickets right now)
hollow totem
tepid vigil
is there anything after hydra? Did it first time (beat hydra) with life steal and ares after damage xD
tiny barn
Those armoured bombers were a nightmare
tepid vigil
i mean first try
tiny barn
@tepid vigil they tell you that you died at some indeterminate time in the future while trying to escape
tepid vigil
xD
tiny barn
Then you get booted back to the blood pool
azure swan
dealing with bombers via deflect is hilarious though
tiny barn
Yeah, that's neat
tepid vigil
yup
tiny barn
Hmm
What run should I do once I get back from school
A farming one with Poseidon's extra darkness stuff
Or one to try and kill the hydra
lost ore
Goin' for Hydra always feels powerful. I saw that apparently the fight was changed a little in yesterday's patch? I finally beat it on Wednesday.
winged timber
Is there any point of giving more than 1 gift to characters?
tiny barn
Other than trying to win over the affection of each character, no
oblique coral
I think it buffs their relic also
Achilles starts with +20 -20 but has gone down to +20 -10 for me
oblique coral
oh im an idiot then 😄
lost rose
a lot of other trinkets got buffs too
tiny barn
You give her the ambrosia
Until you can't anymore because the current cap for every character is 6 hearts
pseudo tapir
Ah
pearl willow
does artemis dash create kind of a green starburst effect on zag's head for everyone else? might be a patch change but i just dont remember noticing that before
tiny barn
I don't notice the effect on his head but I noticed the like X thing that is applied to the enemies when they're crit by it
errant narwhal
hmmm should i get an aphrodite boon or ambrosia
ocean halo
Ambrosia
To give to aphrodite
tiny barn
She's great, yeah
proper trench
would be a decent sugesstion to make though 😄
ocean halo
after they unlock the rest of hearts
errant narwhal
i maxed her out already :((
this is such a weird build
phalanx shot, curse of agony, passion dash
and life drinker bc i heard is gud but the low health i have makes me nervous
ocean halo
What do you think they plan to do with relationship system ?
tiny barn
The game turns into a dating sim, hopefully
ocean halo
Yeah
I hope so
Im still sad that I cant date Pamitha in Pyre
Only ship her with Jodi
tiny barn
Jodi is best girl and you cannot stop me
errant narwhal
i love killing meg with curse of agony
i hit her for 10 dmg and dash away as fast as i can and oops shes dead
proud storm
just got sisyphus room, empty room, then another empty room just before meg fight
theyre not trying to stop us anymore
dapper heart
@errant narwhal yesssss the curses are great for that.
errant narwhal
lol belgo that happened to me the first time i beat her if im not mistaken
man im getting SO many good boons
i just had a trial room with athena and aphrodite
and now i have boat with artemis....... wrow
proud storm
not to be that person but isnt the aoe from poseidon's dash a bit too... big
tiny barn
Yeah, it is a tad too gigantic
tiny barn
(rest in peace Gigantic you will be forever missed)
proud storm
dare i say it's supergiant
errant narwhal
yep!
hmmm quick reload or fully loaded
theyre both good bc i have a sort-of cast build with how much poms i put in athena's cast but i dunno which one is moreso
knotty grove
How does avenging gain actually work? Do you just attack after getting hit or is there more to it?
errant narwhal
hooboy
i ended the last room with like 7 health.... but i got it back from breaking pots dsjkgfhk
feeling good about this even tho its sword
tiny barn
Getting to hydra again with sword
hushed parrot
Is healing from breaking pots supposed to be a feature and not a bug?
tiny barn
What a trooper
misty sentinel
can you get more than one hammer in a single run?
errant narwhal
nope
jade plover
They did just buff the sword
harsh kelp
Yeah life drinker is necessary for a sword run
errant narwhal
should i upload this to youtube 🤔
jade notch
why so hype from a sword win, when u can just go cast with any weapon, and wreck things? 😛
errant narwhal
im not hyped from a sword win
im hyped from a win in general
im not very good at this game lol
turbid bolt
With Eternal Spear and Javelin Throw (up to 200% damage with Special on distant enemies), is your Special supposed to do less damage than base at close range?
tiny barn
Nope, that's a bug, iniwid
@errant narwhal you have one more successful run than me, congrats
Although I've gotten like 1 attack away from killing hydra about 3 times so far
errant narwhal
aw youll get there
turbid bolt
ty mona
errant narwhal
just need some tasty lifesteal and then you can race everything to death
undone pond
friendship ended with spear now bow is my best friend
thin jetty
ye, i need more time to play too!! i haven't played a ton but i feel i'm starting to get the hang of things considering i can pretty consistently get to meg without dying no problem now
tiny barn
I'll probably marathon a bunch of it this weekend
thin jetty
Same
copper berry
NUUU T.T I got to the last phase of the hydra on the first run, but all those hydra heads messed me up
That run takes like 30 minutes too wah
errant narwhal
oh noooo
copper berry
the secret is ares attack plus the lifesteal deadalus upgrade for sword
since if you also apply ares curse with your thrust, it also gives you lifesteal
errant narwhal
are you streaming it?
copper berry
so thats the only attempt for toda y:p
errant narwhal
i beat hydra with lifedrinker rn
copper berry
at least i know its possible
errant narwhal
i recorded it and its uploading now
if anyone likes seeing panicky, button-mashy gameplay this is the one for you
fluid moat
oof you'll get it next time
plush blaze
Is lifedrinker on the hammer or is it something else? I haven't seen it come up
errant narwhal
yes
fluid moat
hammer upgrade for the Sword only
errant narwhal
for the sword only, also
plush blaze
hmm, just unlucky then
errant narwhal
ive seen it a lot but the life decrease scared me off of it until now
and also the bugs where it keeps lowering your health when you dont have it anymore
copper berry
i need to look back at the recording, because i feel like at the end it wouldnt really applying on the little hydra heads
at least not how it should've been 🤔
but man that was annoying
hushed parrot
Hey uhhh, are "Treasure Troves" those chests that give Obol after defeating enemies quickly?
tiny barn
Yes
hushed parrot
Thanks
kind marten
Wow, I just beat the Hydra for the first time, and it was a Sword build too. Sword is actually, like, really good. I thought it was terrible but the Daedalus upgrades for it are really, really good
pearl willow
i think the game usually refers to them as 'infernal troves' in case you see them called that as well
kind marten
It was the dash double crit followed by lvl 3 agony
thin jetty
i think sword's pretty solid tbh. i've been running shield, but i think sword's my next favorite
ocean halo
I realy loved bow this patch
Crits and multishot for main attack to the win
woven spade
Does anybody know if you are supposed to take damage while bull-rushing into a charging Lout?
ocean halo
Yes
tiny barn
Yes
ocean halo
You need athena's boon to deflect damage
pearl willow
sword definitely works, it still feels a little funny to me because the idea of getting the full damage combo is kind of contradictory with the dash damage bonus but that also allows it to synergize differently with artemis dash and probably other future 'duration' effects
tiny barn
And then the guard blocks everything
woven spade
Thanks
rich kestrel
Loving the sword daedalus upgrade turning it into two quick strikes atm
tried the 400% single shot but it was a bit meh imo
pastel jolt
okay i just got poseidon dash in my first post-patch run and i am delighted
hushed parrot
One combination I love with the sword is the Daedalus quick strike plus Athena attack deflect
That way you can just spam attack against Megaera's shots for example
instead of dodging them
pastel jolt
here's what it looks like when you exclusively use dash to deal with the skelebros
grand patrol
ah the ol "cat on a furniture"
errant narwhal
rocky whale
Sword seems really really good with the damage upgrade
errant narwhal
there is is
rocky whale
I took the "quick attack, no thrust" upgrade too, and it was pretty good still
pastel jolt
a very familiar sound: the poff-poff-poff of using all three dashes in a row
errant narwhal
this videos got it all. spam clicking. spam dashing. missing all of my casts and having to retrieve them from lava
rocky whale
bow triple shot + hunter dash is hilarious
neat shore
I finally got to try out no charge bow, it felt awesome
rocky whale
I kind of like all the dashes? Zeus' feels a little less powerful right now
neat shore
Especially with chain lightning Zeus
rocky whale
I took the lightning on the bow special and it felt incredibly weak
rocky whale
despite knowing the bug exists, I took curse damage on shield throw. oops
errant narwhal
my solution to it has been playing anything other than shield for the time being
even tho i dont really use the special...
ive discovered bow is amazing
and sword is good now
rocky whale
Well I've gotten a bow win and a spear win so far. I've come really close with a sword build and shield build though
errant narwhal
ive gotten a spear win and a sword win
got rlly close with the shield but it wasnt meant to be
same with bow iirc
rocky whale
The run I just had was terrible right until the last few rooms
I took special lightning on the bow, and it was bad. Then I got zeus again and took the chain lightning bounces because it was rare, but I didn't get zeus again until like 2nd half of asphodel. So I just had a useless boon. Once I got the cast, though, I had +12 bounces lol
turbid needle
How much damage does cast do?
indigo compass
50 standard
turbid needle
how long does it take the ammo to drop without killing them
neat shore
So does anyone have any tips for cast? I find myself not using it as much
tiny barn
Get an upgrade for it and it becomes good
rocky whale
15 Seconds
pearl willow
the base version is just kind of another button to press. you need a cast boon for it to shine. i really like zeus and aphrodite casts personally. ares can be amusing if you go deep into it as well.
rocky whale
I timed it on Skelly
indigo compass
but artemis cast is still pretty powerful too
rocky whale
Zeus, Artemis, and Ares are pretty good I think, especially if you get their upgrades to their upgrades
neat shore
The one time I got the Athena cast it felt really nice
rocky whale
Zeus makes it bounce more, Ares makes it bigger/last longer, Artemis can get you multishot/more casts/less time in enemies
tiny barn
Athena + spear attack is a war crime
turbid needle
Cast is an ability that Zagreus can use. It is a long range spell that will launch ammo at a foe, dealing 50 damage upon impact. When hits an enemy, it will stay inside the foe until it is killed or after 15 seconds, the ammo will drop on it's own. There are several Boons affecting the damage and drop time of Cast.
I feel like my wording here is funky
any way I could say this better
turbid needle
oh yeah theres actually a picture of the cast ammo in the blank spot xD
pastel jolt
update: i pais for my hubris by dying in asphodel bc i dashed into lava one too many times
proven kernel
"After it hits an enemy, it will stay inside the foe until it is killed or 15 seconds have elapsed." maybe?
rocky whale
the 15 seconds thing I got from timing on Skelly with my phone, I think it's right, but I'll double check lol
I got 15.89 so, with user error, that seems about right
turbid needle
that sounds better
heres the page
feel free to add to it
because I don't really know anything about armor and hitstun
hushed parrot
Does anyone know if entering a Chaos portal is like going a different route, or do you still go to the next chamber, whatever it was, after leaving Chaos?
pearl willow
I think it's an alternate route, I recall I was in a room with only one exit and a chaos portal and the portal exit took me to a room with a reward that differed from what the previous room's single exit offered.
indigo compass
yeah thats how it works i think
cant remember tho, havent paid attention to that tho
lost ore
I've only managed to beat Hydra with spear. Love spear.
indigo compass
done it with all weaps
lost ore
I'm sure. Unfortunately, work insists I remain in the office, rather than being at home playing Hades.
turbid needle
In order to crit with hunter dash lvl 1 (1 sec of crit after dash, up to 2 hits) while having bow, shoot and then dash. That's a dumb trick that you encounter in much games but only occured to me right now, thought I'd share.
turbid needle
And that makes the power up useless unless you're using special (but not rly useful since it increase of only of 1 hit per lvl)
Oh and life essence cost and heal no longer changes when you open and close the shop. Da**
lost ore
I mean, that only makes sense to fix.
"Ah, so that's the price? But what if I were to... Come back in again?"
pastel jolt
that one's in the patch notes
turbid needle
Missed it, sry. Did infernal troves use to give ambrosia ?