#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 164

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 5:12 AM

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then its allways

charred dawn Dec 13, 2018, 5:12 AM

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coolio

tepid fiber Dec 13, 2018, 5:30 AM

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http://i67.tinypic.com/28rcm7c.jpg
this feels like the best place to put this it's the best run ive had so far with the sword my special was doing 700+ damage

wintry swan Dec 13, 2018, 5:43 AM

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Where do you get dark thirst?

thorny sun Dec 13, 2018, 5:43 AM

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a random weapon glows purple before every run

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grab that to get dark curse

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its to encourage players to use different weapons

tepid fiber Dec 13, 2018, 5:44 AM

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Ye I really like it as a mechanic

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 5:45 AM

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Yeah definitely had me learning every weapon when I started

tepid fiber Dec 13, 2018, 5:45 AM

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It’d be neat if you could level it up using the mirror eys

wintry swan Dec 13, 2018, 5:54 AM

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oooooh

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Thank you!

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I didnt know that

south comet Dec 13, 2018, 5:55 AM

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wow I didn't either thats pretty cool

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Although I'm starting to run out of uses for them

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 5:55 AM

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Is there any use for keys once you unlock all the mirror perks and weapons/

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because i have like

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50 keys

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help

loud sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:56 AM

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there is!

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 5:56 AM

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😮

loud sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:56 AM

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all the unlocks comming with next patch dusa

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 5:56 AM

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lmaO

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thanks

tepid fiber Dec 13, 2018, 5:56 AM

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Lmao

loud sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:56 AM

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jokes aside, there isnt sadly anything you can do with keys after you´ve gotten all the unlocks

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but will prolly still be worth stockpiling them for future content

copper berry Dec 13, 2018, 5:57 AM

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Yeah same with the ambrosia

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 5:57 AM

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thats fair

tepid fiber Dec 13, 2018, 5:58 AM

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Why stockpile my ambrosia when I could just give em to cerberus the goodest boy

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 5:59 AM

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yES

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cuz those dang locked hearts 0/10

copper berry Dec 13, 2018, 5:59 AM

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Cuz you got a max you can do

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 5:59 AM

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want to..give more...

wintry swan Dec 13, 2018, 5:59 AM

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Best boy. If they don't add a feature to pet him we riot

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:00 AM

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Anyone have an image of Zeus' Legendary boon?

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I'm looking over how it works, and it's a bit odd

copper berry Dec 13, 2018, 6:00 AM

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I will try to get an image real fast

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:01 AM

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Also, anyone notice if Lightning Flourish actually chains? I should probably just take the 2 minutes to test that, but it looks like it, well, shouldn't.

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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lightning flourish is...which one again?

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:05 AM

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Secondary / Special ability boon

tepid fiber Dec 13, 2018, 6:05 AM

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Yeye

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I dont think it does

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Maybe on the shield

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 6:06 AM

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ahhh

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:06 AM

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The description says it does, but in the script says it's using the same AoE bolt as the dash

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Which doesn't

tepid fiber Dec 13, 2018, 6:06 AM

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But I know for a fact it doesnt on the bow

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 6:06 AM

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yeah it certainly doesnt on bow

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it does buff damage a lot tho

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:09 AM

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Okay yeah, tested with the spear, it's definitely using the Dash effect instead of the chain lightning one

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 6:11 AM

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I beat the hydra. First try. All because of triple epic zeus dash. That boon is so good.

tepid fiber Dec 13, 2018, 6:11 AM

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I thought it was kinda crap at first

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But then I realized it does target enemies and isnt just random

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 6:12 AM

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Yeah it is a bit ridiculous

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 6:12 AM

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yep. I find the best part about it is that almost no one can hit you because you're dashing so much

tepid fiber Dec 13, 2018, 6:13 AM

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Lmao

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 6:13 AM

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I imagine the hydra is really hard normally

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 6:14 AM

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It still is with that buff honestly

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Just because you have to deal with the other heads

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 6:15 AM

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does the dash trigger back attack?

tepid fiber Dec 13, 2018, 6:16 AM

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Zeus’s? Or just in general

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 6:16 AM

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zeus's but everyones i guess

tepid fiber Dec 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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I dont think zues’s dash does but im pretty sure the normal one does and so do the surges/athena’s

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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Aphrodite's dash triggers backstab damage, I know that.

copper berry Dec 13, 2018, 6:23 AM

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I believe Zeus's dash does not, since it strikes at the center of the enemy instead of your player.

quaint steeple Dec 13, 2018, 6:30 AM

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@uneven shuttle I don't have an image on how Zeus' legendary boon works, but the one I got basically works this way:
It only showed up for me after I got Lightning strike.
It works EXACTLY like Lightning strike when I strike the enemy with a normal left click attack by creating another lightning bolt projectile.
The only differences are:

It moves WAY slower than the normal lightning bolt projectile.
It deals 80 damage
I've never seen it chain on other monsters (Mostly because it moves so slow and doesn't hit anything. Didn't get enough chances to test it out)

pearl willow Dec 13, 2018, 6:31 AM

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i keep hearing people like aphrodite cast but man both times ive gone heavy into it i've really disliked it, that was not particularly fun

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artemis cast*

quaint steeple Dec 13, 2018, 6:31 AM

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So what you see is, 2 lightning bolt projectiles are created on hitting an enemy, one flying really fast (From Lightning Strike) and the other super slow one in the exact same direction (From the legendary boon).

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:31 AM

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80 damage? Looks like it should be dealing 40. You sure that isn't backstab damage?

quaint steeple Dec 13, 2018, 6:32 AM

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Hmm maybe it was backstab or crit, I can't remember.

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I got it in a few room right before Hydra, so didn't have much time to test it.

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But I do see a lot of 80s flashing about everywhere.

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it was freaking messy as well, thanks to the additional lightning bolts flying everywhere.

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:33 AM

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The speed thing makes sense, it only has a speed of 500, which is REALLY slow

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Alright, this seem complete enough for now?
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Zeus

Hades Wiki

Zeus | Hades Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia

Zeus is the god of the sky and thunder, and the ruler of the Olympian Gods. He sometimes offers Boons to Zagreus, many of which endow attacks with a chain lightning effect, or otherwise, summon...

dire cedar Dec 13, 2018, 6:35 AM

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when a new room has a littel skeleton, do we know what that means?

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LIke, if i'm strong and have full health, and i have a room of darkness w/ no skeleton amrker, and a room w/ a skeleton marker, which should i pick?

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 6:36 AM

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Depends risk and reward

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:36 AM

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I think the skull indicates a more difficult room. Bosses have it, and some of the harder challenge rooms do too

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 6:36 AM

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The skull one will give you 20 while the normal will give you 10

quaint steeple Dec 13, 2018, 6:37 AM

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@uneven shuttle How are you getting all these values like the range / speed? It's not even stated anywhere in game.

dire cedar Dec 13, 2018, 6:37 AM

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Thanks!

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:37 AM

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Most are in TraitData.lua and PlayerWeapons.xml. Some are in Powers.lua or elsewhere

quaint steeple Dec 13, 2018, 6:37 AM

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ooh, interesting.

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I wonder if that means we could simply change the values.

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:38 AM

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There's more data I don't have on the wiki, like max range tends to be 1100 for stuff

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But I don't know if that's really that important?

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Anyway

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Yes, you can change the values.

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I tried making the bow's special spam hundreds of arrows

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It workz

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I'd suggest turning off Transmit Data if you do this, though

quaint steeple Dec 13, 2018, 6:39 AM

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I'd have thought they'd have at least encrypted those stuff. Didn't imagine it to be blatantly out there.

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:39 AM

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Wouldn't want some nonsense crash you cause yourself to get reported as a bug x.x

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It's there for mod-ability.

quaint steeple Dec 13, 2018, 6:39 AM

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I see.

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Guess I found myself some new fun!

wintry swan Dec 13, 2018, 6:40 AM

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I love that they leave it open for mods

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Thats some good stuff

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As if I didnt have enough reason to love supergiant

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 6:41 AM

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I mean, I presume that's part of the intention. But it's a pretty common way of doing things.

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Idk how to mod

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But I would love to

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:04 AM

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its fun

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do recommend

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:14 AM

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Do any of you guys know the exact debuff for Weak?

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:14 AM

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i think its a 33% damage debuff but dont quote me on that

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:15 AM

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putting that on the wiki and quoting you

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:15 AM

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dang

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:15 AM

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I feel like it is 50%

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:16 AM

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50% is pretty strong and i dont think that meg does 12 damage on dash normally does she?

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i know it was 6 with the debuff

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:16 AM

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if ur talkin aphro boon its dependant on rarity

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:16 AM

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really? that's strange

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that really makes no sense

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:16 AM

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or wait u mean the debuff on the enemies

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its 50 i think

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:17 AM

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yeah

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:17 AM

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Like I know her circles deal 6 I think and does 3 when debuff is up

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:17 AM

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then yeah its 50%

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:18 AM

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yeah bombs do 12 usually

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:18 AM

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thats quite strong huh

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:18 AM

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yall 100% sure its 50?

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:18 AM

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100^ even

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Let me do a quick run

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:18 AM

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alright ping me when youre sure

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ill throw 50 on the wiki right now

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:21 AM

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@dire crystal yup looks like 50

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:21 AM

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nice

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:21 AM

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Lout did 4 instead of 8

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:21 AM

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Yeah most everything is halved

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Not sure how it handles odd numbers of damage but that’s a technicality anyways

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:22 AM

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that's quite strong

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:22 AM

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I think armoured skulls do 3 damage usually? Not sure what It rounds down to

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And yeah jeez

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:22 AM

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the other damage resistances in the game are like 12% and 20% or so

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50% is a big upgrade from those

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:22 AM

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Yeah it’s pretty sure

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Huge* even

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:23 AM

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especially with stuff like shield bounce which can hit like, every enemy continuously

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Thanks folks! Was helpful for the wiki

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Yuge

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Another question

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What is Curse/how does it function

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I havent played around with it at all

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Curse?

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:23 AM

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u have curse of agony for instance

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that does 40 dmg after a second or 2

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Ares one?

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Oh

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:23 AM

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yeah

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:23 AM

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that

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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then one for the special aswell

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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It’s just a set amount of damage that changes with rarity and can be buffed i think

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In both cases

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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It doesn't overwrite or stack

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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yup

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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Yeah it does damage after a second of the enemy being hurt. It wont stack itself while its active though.

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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40 is the common i think

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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So it depends on what the boon is

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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hmm

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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So when you are hit, a timer starts. When it ends, they take damage and can be debuffed with it again.

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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can go up to 80 with epic if im correct

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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and which version you apply first

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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do you think thats worth throwing under status effects?

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You can just increase it via Pom for. Flat damage upgrade too I think?

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not sure if I would count it the same way we count weak

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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yeah

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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it is

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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It's kinda a status effect of sorts in teh way its applied

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:25 AM

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aight

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:25 AM

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Like a DOT but with only 1 tick

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:25 AM

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any other stats effects I should add?

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Yeah it is a status like weak, but not a constant value

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:25 AM

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What all do you have?

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:25 AM

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The stat on yourself that lets you crit?

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:25 AM

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weak and curse i guess

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:25 AM

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There's the legendary status thing from poseidon which applies knockback after a second similar to ares' curse

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:25 AM

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From arte dash and the spear hammer effect that makes you crit after you charge attach

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:26 AM

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but is crit considered a status?

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:26 AM

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It’s a self status

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The garunteed one

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:27 AM

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yeah guess so

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 7:27 AM

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yeah it applies like a duration buff to yourself that guarantees crits

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:27 AM

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Similar effect applied to the player model and all

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Curse of agony only applies to basic attacks right

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:27 AM

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theres also a special one:p

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:27 AM

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Yes that is the name of the buff

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:27 AM

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so its choose wich:p

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:27 AM

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I mean boon

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:27 AM

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It can be on special, normal and on retaliation

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That “curse” effect

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The boons are all named differently however

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Curse of Agony is the name of boon for basic attack

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Hmmm

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What are the others called?

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:28 AM

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no idea:p

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:29 AM

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Same sorry about that lol

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darn

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well if any of you find out

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lemme know

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 7:29 AM

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will do:)

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:29 AM

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I don’t usually take ares stuff because I don’t like him but will do!

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His dash is oof

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Not great. Makes me take so much damage haha

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:30 AM

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I can do some running to find it

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 7:30 AM

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on the other hand, his shot is insanely good

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:31 AM

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curse is one second right?

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 7:31 AM

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Especially if you get the ares shot + the duration/seeking modifier on it

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:31 AM

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one second after the attack

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:31 AM

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Not sure how long exactly

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:31 AM

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Yeah the cast is great and neither

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:32 AM

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Oh, I haven't been checking this chat.

Weak creatures deal 50% less damage, and the effect lasts for 3 seconds. In hindsight that's not obvious, so yeah, I guess it should be on the wiki.
Ares curse does 40 damage, which I AM PRETTY SURE takes place 1.1 seconds after the hit

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:32 AM

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good to know, very appreciated

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the damage for curse increases with each rarity correct?

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 7:32 AM

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yes

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:33 AM

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Scaling on curse damage seems to use base scaling, which is 1.0/1.3-1.5/2.0-2.5

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:33 AM

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what does that mean

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forcedSmile

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im not privy to this stuff

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:34 AM

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common damage = 40 x 1
rare damage = 40 x 1.3 to 40 x 1.5
epic damage = 40 x 2.0 to 40 x 2.5

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:34 AM

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what determines if its, say, 1.3 or 1.5

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is it random?

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:34 AM

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I don't know how to put those in a table and explain them well without taking up wayy to much room 🤔

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Yeah, that's random

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:34 AM

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oh okay

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:34 AM

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Maybe have an article about how the scaling works

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:34 AM

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thats not so hard to understand

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yeah i'll explain it in the Boon article

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You guys have been a fantastic help, much appreciated

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:35 AM

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Not all boons work that way, though. And I still don't know which upgrades have unique stuff, haven't looked into that yet.
Upgrades seem to be a straight +30% to values, though

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Artemis' stuff is the usual exception to these rules

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Scaling on her things tends to be odd.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:36 AM

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Okay you needed ares curse names right?

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:36 AM

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And boons that are not traits (e.g. Vast Riches), I haven't looked into yet

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:37 AM

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yeah that would be helpful

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:37 AM

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I'm gonna start the Ares one now, I think I have the basic ones, but feel free to write'em down

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:37 AM

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I dont really need to write them down in the curse page because I just said "depending on what boon you have"

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but it will be useful to add to the Ares boon section

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Yeah, I find that while I'm writing these I don't have the actual boon names / descriptions on hand. I'm just looking at the scripts that define their effects.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:39 AM

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I will run around trying to provide name of ares boons

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:39 AM

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I wont be awake much longer but the info will be very useful

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:40 AM

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Slicing Shot is name of cast into blade rift

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Blade Surge changes dash to Blade rift

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Curse of Agony attacks get curse effect

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:41 AM

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So far I have Curse of Agony, Curse of Pain, Slicing Shot, Blade Surge, Curse of Vengeance and Urge to Kill

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The more rare ones, the homing projectile thing and whatever his legendary are, don't know the names or descriptions of

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:42 AM

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Those I will try to provide if I can

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:46 AM

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Oh man doing all the Boon icons will be a pain 😓

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:47 AM

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I haven't looked into it, but I'm sure there's some way to extract them. Then again, pretty sure that's against the EULA, so who knows.

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 7:47 AM

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Oh yeah i've been data mining stuff

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Theres just so many of them

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Is the pain

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I think its fine as long as I dont spoil or share any of it here

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And im not gonna be putting anything unnanounced on the wiki either

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:49 AM

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Yeah, the terms of EULAs tend to be more extreme to err on the safe side of protections.

lost rose Dec 13, 2018, 7:51 AM

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the general stance is there's not much to be done to stop datamining, but we'd like all of y'all to be good sports about it, e.g. not spoiling people who don't want to be spoiled for potential future content, not selling merchandise using datamined stuff, you get it

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i believe things like....edits made using the transparent png's, or phone/computer backgrounds using assets are, like, probably fine?

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and certainly for something like the wiki where the purpose is wholly informative

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 7:56 AM

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Hungry Blades: Your Cast creates a longer-lasting Blade Rift that seeks foes @uneven shuttle

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 7:57 AM

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What are the values given below the desc.?

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name-wise, that is

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e.g. "Extra Duration" or something

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If you picked it up you can hold tab to see. Otherwise I'll leave it as that for now

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 7:59 AM

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hey please don’t swear

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proxybot is down but I’m watching 👀

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 8:01 AM

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@uneven shuttle was it you that planned to edit the ares pages for boons?

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Yeah, I'm doing it currently

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Are you working on the fandom or gamepedia?

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 8:01 AM

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fandom one

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Ah

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Oh, there's two

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oof

lost rose Dec 13, 2018, 8:01 AM

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yeeeeah

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 8:01 AM

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We're mainly working on the gamepedia yeah

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 8:01 AM

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well I can move things over

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 8:01 AM

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We already have a few Ares boons on the gamepedia

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to save you some time

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oops

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Ares

Hades Wiki

Ares

Ares is the Olympian God of war. Unlike the more strategically-oriented Athena, Ares' domain is the physical, violent, and untamed aspects of warfare. He sometimes offers Boons to Zagreus, many of which inflict Curse or revenge damage upon enemies.

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We have blade surge, curse of agony, and slicing shot

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@lost rose Did you write up the character descriptions btw? theyre well written

lost rose Dec 13, 2018, 8:03 AM

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I did!

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thank you!

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I haven't copied them all over yet though.

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 8:03 AM

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I copied over the ares one while I was adding his VA and relatives

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thought it mightve been you after reading the orpheus one

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strikes a good balance between game stuff and mythos stuff

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 8:04 AM

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At least Gamepedia seems to offer better customization control. And yeah, the description for Ares is on-point, @lost rose

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 8:04 AM

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ive been kinda worried some people are just gonna like

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copy paste the entire wikipedia article for a god lmao

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 8:04 AM

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lol

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 8:04 AM

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even if it doesnt contain any info relevant to the hades story and gameplay

lost rose Dec 13, 2018, 8:04 AM

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(btw we're not really on game tactics anymore so could we move to spoilers or general maybe?)

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 8:05 AM

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oh yeah for sure my b

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 8:05 AM

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Sure

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 8:05 AM

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thank you for the help game tactics peeps!

rancid galleon Dec 13, 2018, 8:32 AM

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Accidently chose the bow special upgrade from daedalus so I decided to make the best of it and see if i can make something out of it. While the Hydra was not impressed and kindly showed me the exit, the run up it was pretty fun
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uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 8:38 AM

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Get that with Poseidon's Legendary, and imagine the knockback

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 8:50 AM

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Dude I love knockback runs

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you always lose to the hydra

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but boy are they fun

charred patio Dec 13, 2018, 9:16 AM

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Just got my first hydra win with the shield, but what really did it for me was starting with the Aphrodite spread cast at 30 and managing to get it around 50 per cast by the end between upgrades and Ares Attack+Cast buff. Also got the weak = damage buff (though only at 37%)

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hydra put up first shield before I got the three casts off

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killed the other heads, took down the next in two

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got all the heads down with one death defy

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finished it off with a few more casts

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50 per shard that is*

unborn trellis Dec 13, 2018, 9:49 AM

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wew

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thats a lotta damage

tiny pollen Dec 13, 2018, 9:55 AM

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EEEEEEY

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GET F*D MEG

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Aphrodite's Weakness really does help against bosses, huh

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:07 AM

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oh that i was just talking about the melle swings

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:08 AM

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I get locked with the spear too occasionally

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and the shield

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:08 AM

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Main issue is limiting it to the amount of the casts you have

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:08 AM

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it's really rare though with those weapons. Sword tends to lock half the time.

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:08 AM

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yeah the thrust attack at the end of combos locks you in

exotic haven Dec 13, 2018, 10:09 AM

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Got a question: What does Weak status do except for perks gifted later in the game?

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:09 AM

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weak is a damage debuff for enemies.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:09 AM

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50% less damage from foes

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:09 AM

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weaks the attack of enemies

exotic haven Dec 13, 2018, 10:09 AM

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ah ok

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Thanks! \0u0/

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:09 AM

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Sorry yeah cuts debuffed enemy by 50%

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:09 AM

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helpful but i only use the dash buff

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:09 AM

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occassionally you'll get super lucky and it increases your damage

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I had a run with that and 500% armor piercing and just cried tears of joy.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:10 AM

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The damage boon on weaken is reported to be broken

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:10 AM

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also does perfect landing do anything? XD

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:10 AM

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it is adding way more than it should

exotic haven Dec 13, 2018, 10:10 AM

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I've beaten Hydra for the first time with spear build focused on Weak status, Armor Strip and Aphrodite's Weak status enhancement.

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:11 AM

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I got a perfect landing once and just was like "huh?"

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:11 AM

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spamming spaceXD

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:11 AM

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Not really. I think it might give higher chance at buff

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:11 AM

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ok

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:11 AM

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But can't confirm that and just confirmation bias

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:11 AM

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Said run (with the buffs) ended with the hydra bullet hell to death.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:13 AM

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Sword's main issue is that even if you cancel that special you would have to build in super specific way to make it viable especially once you account for the whole of part 2

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:13 AM

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yeah i mainly build for vampire

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:15 AM

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I want to do vampire run but I haven't gotten it that often/I probably should mouse and keyboard if I want accurate dash thrusts

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:15 AM

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yeah i play this game play enter the gungeon. mouse and keyboard \

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:16 AM

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This is working to scratch that Gungeon ish itch.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:17 AM

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I definitely have done way too many runs of this game already

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:17 AM

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Yeah... I'm about 70 in.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:17 AM

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but I still feel like I need to get better if that is only the second area you know?

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:17 AM

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Doesn't feel like lots, but I started like... yesterday.

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:17 AM

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i love enter the gungeon basic completed it but i love rodge likes and general

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:19 AM

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same.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:19 AM

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I think I might be almost on run 100 but I have had it since Monday?

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:19 AM

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but anyway, back on topic? What do you guys think of the bow?

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:19 AM

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My main weapon

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:19 AM

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i think it's cool but the q is pretty bad

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:20 AM

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I barely use the special yes

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:20 AM

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I think its basically trash in general.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Not really

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:20 AM

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it just do much dmg and it is a massive risk

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:20 AM

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though... conversely the q is amazing if you backstab big targets.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Artemis dash makes it nuke pretty quickly

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:20 AM

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you can do really good dmg with its normal use

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:20 AM

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at like... point blank.

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:21 AM

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point blank is pretty good. most of the buffs are quite good

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:21 AM

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It has problems with crowd control

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:21 AM

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which then of course turns it back into being trash cause if you don't have armor piercing it won't stun the target and you just get interrupted.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:21 AM

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I prefer the Power Shot or Rapid shot

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:22 AM

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armor debuffs in general need buffs I think.

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:22 AM

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Penetrating shot on the bow is amazing

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:22 AM

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I spend way too much time running away from things cause I get ganged up on by like 8 armor louts.

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:22 AM

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Extra damage on armor, and it pierces through so hits everything in a line

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:23 AM

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Yeah the armor shot is good

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:23 AM

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Then you just line it up, fire a few times, then dash away (hopefully with crit) and keep doing it

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Tripple shot is a nice secondary choice if you can't get that.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:23 AM

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Triple shot is apparently god when mixed with aphrodite's Attack+weaken buff

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:24 AM

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the bow would be good for the second boss

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:24 AM

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I keep hearing those tales but never been able to get all of it together

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:24 AM

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The bow is really strong with the crit dash, as well

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:24 AM

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Yeah crit dash is definitely the reason I start every bow run wit artemis' item

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:24 AM

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Honestly, I think bow as single target weapon makes it under powered.

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probably would feel better if the line piercing effect was standard.

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because you can do the same thing with spear

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and get similar damage and range without the downside of charging and timing the shots perfect.

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and that's just out the box.

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same with sheild

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and sheild has tracking!

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:26 AM

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bow is the strongest

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:26 AM

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the spin attack with the spear is so fun

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:26 AM

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imho

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:26 AM

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yeah spear dash is fun

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:26 AM

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It also depends on how you like to play

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:26 AM

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bow crit 2k

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ftw

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:27 AM

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I actually prefer bows in a lot of games if I'm not playing tanky.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:27 AM

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I love the bow because I love the feeling of weaving with my dodge

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:27 AM

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I'm just saying the bow feels like it needs a bit more of a learning curve than the other weapons.

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:27 AM

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I actually think that is fine

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:27 AM

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like I had to sit there and really think about how to build it so it wouldn't stink.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:27 AM

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That doesn't make it bad though

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:27 AM

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nah sword takes a lot haha

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:27 AM

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It is the trickiest weapon to learn how to use, and the trickiest one to get good with

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

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bow has lots of combos

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

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And the most weak to messing up your build

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Oh the sword is worse, but because its the default you kind of get used to it faster.

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Sword just needs a buff, I don't think anyone's arguing on the other side of that one

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

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rule1 with bow though never get zeus haha(imo)

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

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seconded icen

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

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i change the spear and dash to changhe the spear spin distance over to the other enemies

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

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I honestly did best with Zeus Bow

dim sequoia Dec 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

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very effective

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Actually zeus bow is -very- good if you take it buffing either the special or the dash

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Just never either of the other two

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

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bow build, get the armor peircing shot or the one that gives 250%damage on perfect charge

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

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I take what I can get with Zeus

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

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then get crit and aphro

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

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@nocturne light agreed

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Bow with zeus special, then upgrading the special a ctually makes it super strong as a room clearer

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

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done that build, it works. I still dislike the bow build.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

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My fav build has to be ares' cast

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

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zeus works well with spear and shield imo

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Ares cast is insanely strong

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Only if you get all of it together

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Cause you need that legendary

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

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I actually think the ares cast needs to be toned down a bit

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

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Ares cast is busted.

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

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oh boy ares legendary cast+ size 200% +damage

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

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Like its easy mode good.

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

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wrecks everything

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

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It really shreds anything because nothing can defend against it. God forbid if you get the tracking on it.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

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Artemis cast is also ridiculous

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

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If you get ares cast and the tracking upgrade it basically has no weakness.

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

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You mean aphrodite cast?

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

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on top of that it doesn't stick to enemies so you can spam it far quicker.

hot yoke Dec 13, 2018, 10:31 AM

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Artemis cast is whatever, aphrodite's is excellent

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:31 AM

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I never got Aphrodite cast to work for me

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:31 AM

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the Ares cast REALLY needs a nerf (I mean I love it and I'm gonna rock it until it does, but its hands down the best.)

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:31 AM

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ares cast+ bow with pierce mmmmhmmm

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:31 AM

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@nocturne light that was legit my best bow run.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:31 AM

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Artemis cast is ridiculous just by how many shots end up barraging

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:32 AM

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Art cast is just decent cause of the innate tracking for me.

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:32 AM

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oh my word just spam cast = win haha

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:32 AM

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the damage boost is nice too

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:32 AM

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I think I had three missiles per cast and it still wiped the hydra within one cycles

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:32 AM

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and art multiplier too

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oh man

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:32 AM

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I never got her epics or legendaries.

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:32 AM

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haven't got my hands on zeus, ath and pos legendaries what are those?

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:32 AM

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and I'm halfway through her "talk to me 100 times to get more story"

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:33 AM

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Zeus is more lightning spam

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:33 AM

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oh. meh

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:33 AM

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Aphrodite is charm enemies

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:33 AM

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I legit was maining Art cause I thought she was adorkable

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:33 AM

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yeah got htat but it was really meh

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:33 AM

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also I was crap and needed the cast lock on

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:33 AM

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Poseidon was double knockback

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:33 AM

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I liked the Zeus legend

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:34 AM

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@flint totem hows that work?

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:34 AM

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I had more bounce + extra projectiles.

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it was good times.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:34 AM

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It slowed my computer down cause I also had artemis' legendary going at the same time

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Which one?

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:34 AM

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double knockback?

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:34 AM

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It knocks back a second time after the frst

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it is kind goofy to look at

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 10:35 AM

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its great

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yeet and repeat

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:35 AM

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like bounce to one wall and then bounce again?

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btw as of now aphro is the strongest

unborn trellis Dec 13, 2018, 10:36 AM

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i dont think ive ever seen a legendary, are they new?

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:36 AM

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Basically never gotten it outside of area 2 and you know hw short supply walls are there

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:36 AM

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and glitchiest

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:36 AM

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aphro depends on the weapon.

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but I'd otherwise agree

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:36 AM

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Legendary I feel like Ares is the best

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:36 AM

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nope aphro is

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 10:36 AM

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Whats zeus' legendary

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:36 AM

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I think Ares as I said before has the best cast period.

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:36 AM

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even if you dont use weapon haha

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the debufs are bugged at,

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atm

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:37 AM

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Not that one

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:37 AM

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Aphro's legendary is prob the best though.

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 10:37 AM

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aphro buffs with artemis cast:p

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:37 AM

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double debuffs? good lawd

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 10:37 AM

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the dream

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 10:37 AM

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Aphro legendary doesnt work on bosses

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:37 AM

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yep doesnt need to

indigo compass Dec 13, 2018, 10:37 AM

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dont need legendary with art cast:p

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:37 AM

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was hitting 600 on meg with spear

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:38 AM

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That isn't her legend though

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:38 AM

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double size charge+ crit+ charm+debuff on charm

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:38 AM

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Spin or nah?

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:38 AM

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spin to win borther

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spin dash

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:38 AM

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dope

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Oh so you maxed the dash in the mirror?

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:38 AM

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It is a different debuff to the normal weaken aphrodite has

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The Charm makes monsters fight for you

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:39 AM

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the one that gives more dps when weakened

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:39 AM

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That is just part of her normal buffs

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:39 AM

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forgot the name just insta get that as soon as i see +100% increase haha

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:39 AM

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Her legendary is actually getting enemies to fight for you for 5 seconds

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:39 AM

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i never get her legendary

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 10:40 AM

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With a 10% chance*

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:40 AM

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just the weaken(not charm my bad)

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:40 AM

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Like by pure legendary standpoint ares is the best

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Nothing I feel is fast enough to use Artemis' well

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:40 AM

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what's art?

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and athena's

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Mini missiles on every attack is Art's

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Athena is ignore first hit in every room

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Artemis' support fire - +1 true shot cast on attack

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:41 AM

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15 damage per missile

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:41 AM

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per attack or per hit?

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Per attack

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 10:42 AM

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Like when you attack it shoots a tiny cast as well

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But the attack must hit something for that to happen

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:42 AM

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ohhh ok ok and the damage is just 15 hey

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hmmmm

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:43 AM

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I feel like flurry sword might be able to use it

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 10:43 AM

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Yeah but attacking is fast

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:43 AM

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the fastest would be spear + the range buff or the bow + no charge

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wish there's a sandbox mode near the dummy

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:44 AM

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Flurry sword is faster than either of those options I feel

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 10:44 AM

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Whats zeus' legendary

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:44 AM

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don't really use sword haha

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:44 AM

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Extra lightning balls off his lightning effects

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 10:44 AM

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Oh

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:44 AM

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I forget how much they do

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:44 AM

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moar from what i heard

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:45 AM

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Yah most of the legendaries feel like they need a small tune up

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:45 AM

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yeah 1 defo needs a hard nerf

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haha

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 10:45 AM

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Eh im not so sure

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

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running Zeus Bow Special right now

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not bad

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

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LOL tracking and vacuum is hilarious to see

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

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that would be a nightmare haha

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

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I have done it before

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

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size

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

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Never gotten all three

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:47 AM

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i got the ares legendary + epic size + damage up to 19

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man was that an easy run up until i get to hydra

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:48 AM

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Even then the tracking kind of keeps it at the hydra head atleast

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:48 AM

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oh off topic

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is the hole in the floor(forgot the name) worth getting

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:49 AM

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Usually no

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:49 AM

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does it have an rng + super bonus or something?

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 10:49 AM

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chuckles you mean the Chaos Doors?

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:49 AM

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But if you weigh potentially losing more hp than 14 - 6, it might be a better route

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Unless i'm not aware of, its either darkness or obols

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:50 AM

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andddd ddead

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:50 AM

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so really a bad idea then

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:50 AM

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twins got me.

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:50 AM

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That sucks man

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:50 AM

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Again, not all the time.

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You don't have to fight acnything and it progresses you through chambers

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:51 AM

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Yeah it is a nice break especially in part 2

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:51 AM

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If you have the heal btween chambers, you lost at least 8 health or so

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:51 AM

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i wish they'd release area 3

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oh man

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:51 AM

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chaos doors are good

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:51 AM

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in 30 days or so I reckon is the next area

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:51 AM

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And if you have the hydra lite it can potentially be more

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:51 AM

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basically take 'em. you'll get paid and probably run into Charon and have net positive heals anyway

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and skipping rooms OP

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:52 AM

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They're not bad, but I wouldn't call them good either

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:52 AM

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I once did Chaos>Charon>Sis>Meg

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:52 AM

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Depends on what your other options

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are

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:52 AM

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Since they never have Charon's shop or a Treasure Trove

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 10:52 AM

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I was basically near dead and was like " fuck it. "

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:52 AM

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Defeinitely, its just another optional route

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 10:53 AM

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Like trials or door I take trials all day baby

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:53 AM

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ohh ok ok i rarely get it

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only when the options are key or ambrosia

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:54 AM

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Not hoarding ambrosia?

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:54 AM

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anyone got athena legendary?

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:54 AM

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Yes I have

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Not that great

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:54 AM

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got 6 and you'll be getting it anyway along the journe

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what's it do?

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:54 AM

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Negate the first instance of damage in each chamber

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:54 AM

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oh that's a big meh

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:55 AM

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Most of the legendaries feel that way. Unique effects, but small impact

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Only Ares' Blade Rush Vortex is wroth getting

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:56 AM

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i wish ares' debuf stacks before it procs

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that would've been nice

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 10:57 AM

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It' already hits pretty hard. It's just that it doesn't hit as hard as aphrodite's or artemis' boon sets because those have multiplicitave effects on each other

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Whereas Ares is just one chuck of damage, and his passive is % increase and doesn't intereact with much else

nocturne light Dec 13, 2018, 10:59 AM

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well that's true

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 11:00 AM

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Anybody wish they had a Daedulus spawn rate boost item?

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like every god gets one, but sometimes I just want a hammer

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 11:01 AM

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I mean, It comes fairly often. And we don't even have all the levels yet

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Reckon you're almost guranteed to get it once we have all the levels in game.

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Either way, the nature of rogue-likes is that sometimes you won't see a certain upgrade on a run

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 11:02 AM

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I know I know...

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but the god upgrades are spoiling me.

tiny pollen Dec 13, 2018, 11:11 AM

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Huh

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Has anyone played around with Athena Bow Special?

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It seems like an amazing deflect tool

wise spear Dec 13, 2018, 11:34 AM

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Personally find Athena on Bow Special kind of weak. Since it has

Gaps in its attack pattern
Long recovery after use

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Deflect on attack is more reliable

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 11:38 AM

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Anyone find Megs dash really hard to block?

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 11:39 AM

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yeah, and it lets you fire witches balls right back at them

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 11:39 AM

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I mean I typically don't bother blocking it, but I'm just testing how the block works in general.

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 11:39 AM

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and no but I always find myself right next to her when she uses her projectiles and get trapped and eat a ton of damage haha

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 11:40 AM

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I think the block is a little iffy in general.

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 11:40 AM

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yeah

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like backstabs, things can often hit from nutty angles

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 11:40 AM

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with a game so young, it makes me wonder how much of it is "git gud" and how much of it is hitbox issues.

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I was assuming you basically block everything in front of the targetting column

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I think I might test the block with Myrmidon bracers to see whats hitting from the sides or back of me.

crisp frost Dec 13, 2018, 11:54 AM

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Is it possible to get more then one Daedalus Hammer in the same run? Haven't managed it in like 30 runs, so I'm wondering if it's actually coded to not appear once you have it.

lost rose Dec 13, 2018, 11:55 AM

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🤔 i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't possible

regal valve Dec 13, 2018, 11:55 AM

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80 runs in now. haven't seen it yet

stable oyster Dec 13, 2018, 11:59 AM

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No, because some of the buffs are exclusive

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Like life steal on thrust and no thrust on s

neon arrow Dec 13, 2018, 12:00 PM

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Never tried blocking meg. What annoys me about blocking is everything else triggers the Zeus revenge thunderbolt except the purple balls

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 12:01 PM

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It is possible to get more than one hammer

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I have definitely done it

stable oyster Dec 13, 2018, 12:01 PM

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How?

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 12:01 PM

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RNG

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It is super rare but it can happen

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There is no real reason why they didn't just program out the ones that don't work together like the Boons rng

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 12:03 PM

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i got two in some of my very early runs but not for ages now

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patched out perhaps? or just incredibly rare

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 12:04 PM

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I feel incredibly rare. Boons seem easier to get than hammers especially in later parts of the run

crisp frost Dec 13, 2018, 1:01 PM

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The first hammer seems to show up pretty regularly though. So they would have to have specifically set the second hammer to have a much lower chance of appearing - which would be unique among all items as far as I can tell. Why would they do that just for the hammer?

flint totem Dec 13, 2018, 1:03 PM

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Well there are actually set points for boons on top of the rng roll for them that I know for sure

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Apparently it is supposed to be unique but definitely reports of double hammers happening? So possiblity to do but should not be happening?

tiny pollen Dec 13, 2018, 1:21 PM

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I just realized my current go-to is to teleport behind someone, hit them with a Bow Special (with Aphrodite's +Special), and go "tssh, nothin personell"

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 1:38 PM

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If you've already picked up a hammer, no more hammers should spawn. If you see it it's a bug, and you should screencap / report it.

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Aphrodite is my favorite greek god. weakens enemies=you live longer and gives great damage ups

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 1:42 PM

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She's also got one of the most powerful non-slot boons, lets you deal tons of extra damage against Weak enemies regardless of what you're using

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 1:42 PM

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what's non slot?

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 1:43 PM

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There's 1 slots for :
Attack boons
Special boons
Cast boons
Dash boons

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 1:43 PM

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Oh, I was afraid of that. I want combos like binding of isaac

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oh thats good to know

uneven shuttle Dec 13, 2018, 1:45 PM

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(in the LootData script)

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Edit: Nevermind, might not be wrong, confused myself while double checking.

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Artemis at least has some exclusive ones that don't match up perfectly, though

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Her T3 seems to require certain T2, and those T2 require certain T1, but there's another T2 that requires a different T1...

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So basically a hidden upgrade tree?

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bleh

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 1:51 PM

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Yeah i would like some more frankenstein builds with multiple gods, rather than single god builds

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Which are the best builds for hydra atm

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 1:53 PM

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weird combos were always a joy in isaac and I would love to see that here, but I can see that getting OP really fast with all the damage ups on one attack.

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I've had good luck with dash attack builds with three dashes

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Imagine if you could combine all the different dash boons in one run... Do damage at the start (Aphro), Dash forward riding a wave (Broseidon) while causing extra damage to nearby enemies (Ares' Razor) and then do damage twice at the end point (2nd Aphro + Zeus)

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Boonado

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 1:58 PM

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I would love it. I would love for it to be super rare, but possible.

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Honestly I'm not too fond of the surges. I feel like they make it easier for enemies to track you

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 2:04 PM

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yeah the surges are a bit iffy ive found

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i cant get past Artemis dash

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love it so much

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 2:06 PM

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I like it, but it's weapon dependent. Like it won't be as good with spear or sword unless you upgrade it twice

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My favorite is aphrodite followed by zeus. Aphrodite's can backstab and zeus' is tracking

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Plus Aphro's can hit twice

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 2:10 PM

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its amaaazing with the spear charge attack

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you just spin it up safely away from enemies and dash in for the auto crit and it does insaaane amounts of damage

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aphro's is my second favourite for sure

latent badger Dec 13, 2018, 2:11 PM

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I tried it with the spear charge! it is pretty good, but I always got interrupted by numbskulls, louts, or bloodless

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well, not always, but every time it did happen I would have to re charge

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 2:15 PM

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just gotta position well, but if I have that combo I always daedelus my charge time or range on the charge move

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either of those is great in that combo

buoyant marlin Dec 13, 2018, 2:15 PM

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yeah, my current favorite is Spear w/ Athena attack boon + Artemis dash boon

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 2:15 PM

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same same

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well

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favourte of all is with aphro attack and also aphro weak enemies take more damage

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but thats a little too much to ask for most runs haha

buoyant marlin Dec 13, 2018, 2:15 PM

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cool

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when I discovered spear spin charge + dash I was like domyGasm

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 2:16 PM

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same

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 2:16 PM

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The game is super fun but at the moment it's way too reliant on luck

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 2:16 PM

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such a cool mechanic

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well it is a roguelite

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if anything there isnt enough luck haha

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 2:17 PM

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Well yeah but you just can't win without having a powerful combo

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 2:17 PM

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there is a lot of possible skill in this game compared to others that totally stomp you into the ground if you get bad items

buoyant marlin Dec 13, 2018, 2:17 PM

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cheers! gotta get back to work rae7

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 2:17 PM

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enjoy 😛 haha

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yo, question with the sure footing boon from athena, does trap damage include the lava in asphodel?

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 2:31 PM

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it'd make sense

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 2:37 PM

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thats what I was thikning but I have no idea

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lava bombs to idk

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the ones that just land on the ground sometimes

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I'd hope so, those are so annoying lol

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 2:40 PM

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anyone else think the bow should just have infinite range? It seems kinda silly that the spear is better in every way and its attack goes like 75% as far as a bow

vestal snow Dec 13, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Yeah, I agree with that. Undershooting with the bow feels really unsatisfying

pallid aurora Dec 13, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Be careful with what you wish for or the bow will start flying off the map too :P

hushed parrot Dec 13, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Shoot an arrow off the map and hear Hades saying "Ouch!" 1 minute later

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 3:03 PM

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technically if the arrow ends up in the lava it's considered littering

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and dusa will have to pick it up

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 3:04 PM

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I think the arrow won’t survive the lava aha

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 3:04 PM

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what if it does???

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magic

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when you leave a room for the next dusa appears and cleans up the mess you've made

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 3:05 PM

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but also the image of zag just fighting his way through, barely alive, and dusa just casually going to asphodel to pick up some trash because she can is pretty funny

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There is no escape........ except for dusa she’s cool

pallid aurora Dec 13, 2018, 3:06 PM

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Nah that's Hades telling Dusa to pick up after zag

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:06 PM

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Dusa is a 3.14 pie

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Who would harm her

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dusa

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:07 PM

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not even meg

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and she harms most things

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:07 PM

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Id like to think her and the hydra are good friends

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 3:08 PM

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I mean

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:08 PM

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idk how sentient is the hydra in this world? haha

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Perseus is who

opal solstice Dec 13, 2018, 3:09 PM

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Let 👏 me 👏 romance 👏 hydra

static field Dec 13, 2018, 3:10 PM

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I think the bow is good, and not at all underwhelming. Athene's amulet to find the crit boom asap, and skull amulet for the second boss, leads to a consistent win strategy. To state clearly here are the play tactics. On the controller. Dash attack with bow and arrow constantly. it does benefit from that stat in the mirror. take all attack boons that come your way and ensure a hp of over 100 for the hydra. this is to ensure that when you revive youll still be in skull range and kill hydra in 2 phases. having 2 spearate attack boons, athenes crit dash, and whatever comes your way with the weapon upgrade (ideally the close range thing) it seems to be enough to kill hydra in 2 phases. This prevents requiring good mechanics to outplay hydra when she shoots a dozen bolts with 5 tails up.

the thing underwhelming about the bow and arrow is its volley ability.
Volley being successful makes sense to me only in niche seeds, and even so I imagine it hard to get to hydra effectively while building for it.

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 3:11 PM

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The bow is very bad at crowd control, which is absolutely necessary after the first 20% of a run though

opal solstice Dec 13, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Volley with knockback makes it really good for keeping crowds at bay

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 3:12 PM

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Unless you have rapid fire you just can't afford to stay in one place and snipe people, and most of the time you're going to be in close quarters with enemies so you might as well just have a better weapon

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:12 PM

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only with the more shots, it has a lot of gaps without that

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my favourite bow strat is get it to that absolute maximum single target damage you can and just book it around the room one hitting enemies until nothing is left

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works really well except against gosh dang numbskulls

mystic stag Dec 13, 2018, 3:13 PM

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I used to hate on bow before I got double arrows on volley and realized how well it can shotgun

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:13 PM

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but piercing or triple shot helps a lot there

static field Dec 13, 2018, 3:13 PM

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the bow and arrow user is never stainding in one place shooting. the archer is always dashing and shooting power shots (or quicker ones in a pinch). It will one shot or two shot creatures. After trying several times, always it has managed to get me into hydra without any problems and faily quicky;l

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 3:13 PM

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oh yeah without pierce numbskull piles are almost impossible to deal with

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Armed numbskull pile = you'll lose half your health

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:13 PM

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yeah rip

static field Dec 13, 2018, 3:14 PM

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the constroller auto aims so there is no real mecahincs needed.

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 3:14 PM

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I dunno, the bow can be viable, but it just needs specific combos to win and even then, other weapons straight up are more reliable. The bow has huge weaknesses

opal solstice Dec 13, 2018, 3:14 PM

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Crit dash is great for dealing with numbskulls.
But honestly the bow and arrow is just about learning its timing in conjunction with the dash. Perfect shots are phenomenal, and the bow is the easiest strat against the first boss, and can get you very far if you master it

mystic stag Dec 13, 2018, 3:14 PM

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Volley point blank is an option against skull piles

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 3:15 PM

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not if there's more than one.

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:15 PM

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Not really though

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In aspho

mystic stag Dec 13, 2018, 3:15 PM

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I always do it and end up fine

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:15 PM

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You cant shotgun them cause they spawn in droves

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With the sheild buddies

opal solstice Dec 13, 2018, 3:16 PM

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Grab yourself one cast upgrade (preferably zues's), and you're fine for skullpiles

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:16 PM

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how could you possible end up fine haha

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:16 PM

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Thats kinda up to luck at that point

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:16 PM

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i get absoletly destroyed every time I try that

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:16 PM

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Just get good boons

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Ez

mystic stag Dec 13, 2018, 3:16 PM

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How is that xd

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 3:17 PM

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I almost always get zeus’ cast

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It’s weird

mystic stag Dec 13, 2018, 3:17 PM

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I usually kill the skulls, so there is no more than two, dash, volley, dash away

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:17 PM

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Zeus cast is bad imo compared to going artemis

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:17 PM

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Poseidon's cast is also great for clearing skulls

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 3:17 PM

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I like it but I also like athena and artemis’ casts

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 3:17 PM

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artemis cast + multi shot dusa

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:17 PM

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and well thats not exactly just rushing in and shotgunning them haha

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i do that to but I run builds where left click does way more damage than a point blank special on the bow

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cant wait to see how much variety will be in the game at the end of development

mystic stag Dec 13, 2018, 3:19 PM

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That's exactly what I do and works for me lol, maybe it's a matter of playstyle

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But in general I'm surprised how much people struggle to fight piles with bow

autumn yarrow Dec 13, 2018, 3:20 PM

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mmm I agree i think discussion right now about weapon balance is severely limited by lack of content

mystic stag Dec 13, 2018, 3:20 PM

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I personally don't find it THAT hard

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 3:21 PM

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I'm just waitin for the next balance update

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Im surprised you do it consistently

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Thats impressive

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Hopefully that'll be soon because there are a lot of useless boons right now

static field Dec 13, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Who has mastered all the weapons and on each one has a 90% success rate?

autumn yarrow Dec 13, 2018, 3:21 PM

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am I the only one that feels boons can potentially not make sense give a few more levels

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 3:21 PM

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90% success rate against hydra lol no

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Ive mastered the sword

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squirtheh

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Ez sword runner

static field Dec 13, 2018, 3:22 PM

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hydra isnt that hard, when running skull. if its true for teh bow, i imagine its true for all other weapons

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:22 PM

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hydra is very hard for a lot of players

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Hydra isnt actually that hard

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Aspho much harder tbh

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 3:22 PM

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It's just a visual mess

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 3:22 PM

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I watched unsung’s stream yesterday

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:23 PM

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You can run into triple choice room in asphodel ?

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 3:23 PM

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He beat hydra at least 10 times in a row

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:23 PM

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maybe I wasn't clear enough

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some people find hydra very hard

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 3:23 PM

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I’m so jealous

ornate forge Dec 13, 2018, 3:23 PM

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Hydra has way too many things going on that you take damage and you don't even know what's happening

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:23 PM

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not everyone is "good at games"

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:23 PM

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There are also lot of visual issues

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Like the scene rendering wasnt working for me entierly

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:23 PM

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i dont have any visual issues but idk what its dependent on

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also on the subject of useless boons, roguelikes unfortunately end up with a lot of upgrades that aren't ever worth picking up, I mean just look at binding of isaac lol

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they sort of serve a function of making sure you dont become too OP too much of the time

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Yeah but even soy milk has its fun runs

static field Dec 13, 2018, 3:25 PM

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i can only consitenyl ebat hydra with chessing with skull. But only once have a properly beaten hydra, through 4 or so phases, and i imagine it was luck. I still do not have a tactic of dealing wtih the dozen spikes? can someone provide their method for going infintie on hydra. and by this i mean, by dodging all his abilities and outplaying his mecahnics and can without inflicting anydamage on the main hydra last indenfintieyl in the hydr aroom

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:25 PM

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soy milk is based

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its actually so good haha

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I mean like uuh

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idk there is just some awful items in isaac that i would just never take and just leave in the room haha

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like they actively hurt a lot of common runs

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:26 PM

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True

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:26 PM

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not that I think boons like that have a place in this game

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just less powerful ones are good to have in the mix

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:26 PM

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I just think the boons are kinda bland

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Like category wise

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Cast, attack, special

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:26 PM

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kinda, i dont mind though, there is a lot of variety

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:26 PM

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The misc boons are the fun ones

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:26 PM

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im sure later on we will see some more misc boons

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probably in new gods

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:26 PM

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And hammer boons are kinda unique

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:27 PM

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hammer is always great

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really defines runs

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Tbh what i want are more gamble boons

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Like hammer sword boons

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:27 PM

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though not everything can be run defining otherwise it'd be a bit much

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and yeah that'd be cool

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a little more risk reward

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Where you lose something in exchange for greater power

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:27 PM

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could almost design a risk/reward skill for each god

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I could see it

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Ehh maybe keep the gods the same way

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Add hero boons

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Like perseus

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And hercules

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And have those guys deviate from the norm with gamble / misc boons that are one off and dont fall into any categories

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:28 PM

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no I mean just adding a single one thats like that

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I dont think heros fit with boons with the lore they've given so far

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but there are plenty of gods to fill out any type of boon you could want haha

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Yeah maybe

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:29 PM

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all heros are just dudes too

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:29 PM

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There are a lot of gods after all

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Gimme hestia

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Where my fire at

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Or hephaestus

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:30 PM

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helios too

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Where dah boi at

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:30 PM

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hephaestus I would think is not a boon god if he's in

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since he's in hades too haha

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at least a lot of the time in myths, usually is

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they cast him down for being crippled I think it was

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Feel like he would be another hammer boon type character

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:31 PM

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nah I dont think so

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hammer is hammer, we dont need another

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no point

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who can say though

hollow totem Dec 13, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Ehh if the boons are different i dont think jt could hurt

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:31 PM

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yeah but how

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just seems increadibly unlikely as a choice

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since but im down if its cool haha

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just cant see it happening

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 3:43 PM

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fun fact

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ocean's bounty also affects the amount of hp you get from hearts

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centaur hearts

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i picked up one and am now at 88 max hp instead of 75

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 3:44 PM

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ooooooh

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thats really cool

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I wonder if there are any more small hidden effects like that

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semi-hidden at least haha

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hidden by not being blatantly obvious 😛

echo wyvern Dec 13, 2018, 3:49 PM

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@proud storm awesome ! so quite useful to get ocean's bounty very early on

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 4:04 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/ekbtpyF.png

Imgur

tawdry cairn Dec 13, 2018, 4:05 PM

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wow, was that just a normal skull room?

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 4:06 PM

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hydra boss fight with ocean's bounty lv3

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 4:07 PM

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yoooo

limpid ember Dec 13, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Yeah, I managed to get 250 darkness from 1 run with early oceans bounty

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Finally managed to grab 3rd dash 😛

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It's pretty great if you can get it early

tawdry cairn Dec 13, 2018, 4:16 PM

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on chamber 26 with lvl 5 true shot and got a charon well with Atlas braid for +60% cast dmg. Wish me luck lads!

proud storm Dec 13, 2018, 4:22 PM

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god's pride is capped to +25% chance of finding epic boons

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that's kind of insane

tawdry cairn Dec 13, 2018, 4:34 PM

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any idea what the base chance is?

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 4:43 PM

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Hey fellas

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Do you know the sword damage stats?

hushed parrot Dec 13, 2018, 4:47 PM

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10 damage on normal attacks, 50 on special attacks

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i'm not sure how the wall slam damage works though

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 4:47 PM

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can every weapon do wall slams or just styg?

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 4:48 PM

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sword and shield can do it for sure because knockback

hushed parrot Dec 13, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Every weapon with knock-back can do wall damage

exotic haven Dec 13, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Anything that pushes enemies apparently.

errant narwhal Dec 13, 2018, 4:48 PM

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idr if spear has knockback but i assume all of them can, with boons

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like poseidon's

exotic haven Dec 13, 2018, 4:48 PM

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I've seen it working couple of times on Spear with Poseidon boon, yeah.

hushed parrot Dec 13, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Yee

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 4:49 PM

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The Daedalus buff to the spear, that increases the range and distant damage, is utterly and completely dusa to play with

tawdry cairn Dec 13, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Hunter dash is so insane with the spear. You get the crit whenever you do the charge+dash attack. I've also got quick spin for faster charging and tempest strike for knockback and dmg. I'm killing the bombers in 2 hits and I'm not even out of Asph yet.

exotic haven Dec 13, 2018, 4:50 PM

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With Shield it's fairly easy to stunlock non-armored enemies with mashing standard attack if they're between you and a wall.

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~~same goes to mashing Spear, but without knockback~~

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Aphrodite's dash was better than I thought, I didn't realize the AoE at the start and end of dash was that large.

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You basically just blip about and weaken just about everything, if you dash and jab a lot with, say, the Spear meow

rough condor Dec 13, 2018, 4:53 PM

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you dont even jab with a decent passion dash build

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i cleared the hydra an hour ago without additional hydra head phases

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 4:53 PM

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I haven't beat Hydra yet, met it twice catcry

rough condor Dec 13, 2018, 4:54 PM

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oh

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 4:54 PM

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Athena feels really good for the encounter, and I haven't gotten her for my runs that've made it there

rough condor Dec 13, 2018, 4:55 PM

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im going to try some new builds and some old working ones out* in a few minutes if you want to discuss it

wind vortex Dec 13, 2018, 4:55 PM

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You’d think that but her thing actually doesn’t deflect the main head’s projectiles

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 4:56 PM

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It doesn't? catcry

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But it even deflects bombs, and lout charges suffering

rough condor Dec 13, 2018, 4:57 PM

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yeah but not the hydra shots

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Criminal

tawdry cairn Dec 13, 2018, 5:04 PM

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I thought Curse of Vengance was trash, but I just killed an entire Numbskull hive off of 1 point of damage. Might be a godsend ability for bow builds.

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:07 PM

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I don't know if its been mentioned yet but I found a exploit. If in the chest between levels you change to the necklace that gives you max life then select something else without closing the menu you can do this multiple times to heal yourself to full before selecting what you actually want.

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Cerberus's collar?

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:08 PM

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yeah that one

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Think it's meant to expire after unequipping it once. It does if you start your run wearing it, and then unequip it at the chest.

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:09 PM

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that's if you had it equipped during the run

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you can do this with ever having it equipped outside the box

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:09 PM

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Yeah! You should report it under the feedback section cat92

pearl willow Dec 13, 2018, 5:09 PM

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i saw that reported as a bug recently, didn't know about it before that

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:10 PM

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ok so they know about it

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Oh, all good then meow

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:20 PM

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so what's the consensus on the sword?

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anything work well?

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:21 PM

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i've had amazing runs with the world splitter 400% chop

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:22 PM

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I feel like it needs a hold-attack, regardless of balance. All you do is play with a 3-hit attack chain, and whether you should make quick swipes, or commit to the combo. The Special is okay, if coupled with dashes and whatnot. Feel like it just needs slightly more spice as the base, personally.

dusky quartz Dec 13, 2018, 5:22 PM

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I've made a whole sword run with only quick slash and the zeus boon (lv7,), but without that it always end in a cast build

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:22 PM

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and also with the one that makes your attack speed faster and removes the 3rd hit of the combo (the charge)

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:22 PM

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it seems like its missing something

grand patrol Dec 13, 2018, 5:23 PM

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tbh with the sword the cast may as well not exist to me, i use attack occasionally but the heaviest hitter is the special

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:23 PM

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and one run that was AMAZING with like 500+ damage artemis crit dash into a super buffed 200% range special

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but its too damn slow and I ended up dying when i was in the animtions

grand patrol Dec 13, 2018, 5:23 PM

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i LOVE the special and it makes me use the sword most, but the other aspects arent great

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:23 PM

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I actually thought that more than anything the special is a bit slow

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:24 PM

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the recovery of the special is pretty punishing for what you get out of it

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:24 PM

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i like the three hit combo and the hammer boons that change it

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yeah

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:24 PM

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same thing with the bow

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:24 PM

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its less daamge than the spear one less range

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and soooo slow

grand patrol Dec 13, 2018, 5:24 PM

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it goes in rhythm with the attacks of louts etc so i dont mind too much

dusky quartz Dec 13, 2018, 5:24 PM

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or with the dash upgrade (double critical hit each time), you can have something viable

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:24 PM

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The bow puzzles me, tbh.

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:24 PM

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I love the bow

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:24 PM

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i love the bow personally

frigid robin Dec 13, 2018, 5:24 PM

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I love the bow

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:24 PM

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Ares curse of agony makes the bow for me

frigid robin Dec 13, 2018, 5:25 PM

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the only weakness it really has

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Is against
numbskulls

finite grail Dec 13, 2018, 5:25 PM

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I’ve enjoyed sword plus knockback on attack with the no thrust

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Basically launch people but it’s specific hjddvv

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:25 PM

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yeah definitely its only major weakness

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:26 PM

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which is fine that it has that balance

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:26 PM

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yeah

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i agree

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:27 PM

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anybody else feel that besides the shield throw the specials are a little weak? or am I missing something?

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:27 PM

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I guess I just find the shield and spear so incredibly versatile. Both have AoE, ranged attacks, quick attacks, and great mobility. kitty

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The spear special is great!

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:27 PM

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how are you using it?

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Pressing anything after throwing it, recalls it

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:28 PM

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yeah so....

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Meaning tons of free backstabs where you otherwise wouldn't get it

frigid robin Dec 13, 2018, 5:28 PM

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i got a special upgrade on the bow yesterday from athena bc i didnt want to take the dash and i had like
god idr what the update % was maybe like 80?

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and the bow did like 23 damage

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it was ninoface sad

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:28 PM

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I love the deflect on that special

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Though generally I just end up using the spear throw as a more reliable casting, since it barely has movement penalties

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:29 PM

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yeah I can see that

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Attacks just seem to be the best

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:29 PM

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my favourite part of the spear is how you can charge the aoe and dash in and it goes off after the dash is completed

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:29 PM

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the other stuff just feel meh in comparison

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:29 PM

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so good

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and so much fun

strange bronze Dec 13, 2018, 5:29 PM

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bow special is, ah

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:29 PM

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what I had no idea about that?!

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:29 PM

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ive seen some people get crazy op casting runs

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:29 PM

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I've gotten some builds where my spear throw completely nuked things, due to a buff that makes it always crit, bunch of aphrodite damage buffs, stuff like that.

strange bronze Dec 13, 2018, 5:29 PM

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broken, with the right upgrades

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the hammer one that gives you 100% more shots on it

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and then basically any special boon

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I had a build the other day where the entire strat was to dash behind things and press Y

frigid robin Dec 13, 2018, 5:30 PM

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casting runs are awesome

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true shot from art is mwah

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:30 PM

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I like the Artemis cast buff oml

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:30 PM

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ive never gotten a truly great casting run, but I dont really try to haha

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:30 PM

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It feel like you have to go all in on one idea

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:31 PM

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i like the melee too much and when i want ranged i just go bow

frigid robin Dec 13, 2018, 5:31 PM

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my first hydra kill was like a 400? cast

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:31 PM

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is there anything past hydra at this point?

frigid robin Dec 13, 2018, 5:31 PM

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nope

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:31 PM

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that's what I thought

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:32 PM

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some fun meta dialogue haha

frigid robin Dec 13, 2018, 5:32 PM

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when zag respawns hes like "at least i got that stupid hydra"

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and im like mood

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:32 PM

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You caaan have an unfocused toolkit, without committing to one build aspect. Sometimes having the Aphrodite cast is nice if your special already is the superior ranged poke. You generally want some kind of consistent and reliable damage though, from what I can tell spookd

rugged dust Dec 13, 2018, 5:32 PM

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I think it would be funny if they made a secret for those that beat the game on their very first attempt, if such a thing would even be possible

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Lol

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:33 PM

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You would be using the sword, without a keepsake, no mirror buffs, no nothing. Not actually sure that's feasibly possible, unless you get really lucky with boons.

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:33 PM

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only one shard and one dash too

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:34 PM

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Go try it cat92

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:34 PM

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the lack of the dashes is what would hurt the most to me

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 5:34 PM

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its feasible but god the dodging

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youd have to be crazy

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:34 PM

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yeah man

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 5:34 PM

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speaking of, just beat hydra again

rugged dust Dec 13, 2018, 5:34 PM

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That's what he means by "no mirror buff" pheonox

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 5:34 PM

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aphrodite still op

frigid robin Dec 13, 2018, 5:34 PM

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i dont want aphro to get nerfed PepeHands

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weak is super good

grand eagle Dec 13, 2018, 5:35 PM

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aphro is crazy

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:35 PM

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The backstab and post-dash damage really adds up, and helps actually hurting bosses.

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:35 PM

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weak is crazy rn

maiden sparrow Dec 13, 2018, 5:35 PM

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~~because bosses are really healthy in this game~~

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 5:35 PM

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yeah bosses are crazy healthy

turbid needle Dec 13, 2018, 5:35 PM

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i like the boss health honestly

rugged dust Dec 13, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Aphrodite just has some really powerful boons, especially the one that causes weakness to inflate incoming damage

frigid robin Dec 13, 2018, 5:36 PM

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im okay with the boss health i just think the amount of ads can get a bit
wild in meg's fight

dire crystal Dec 13, 2018, 5:36 PM

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I don't mind the health on hydra because the stages of heads make it feel like youre accomplishing stuff. But with meg... its just a grind fest