git gud :V
#h1-builds-and-combat
trail orbit
trail orbit
also use walls
proud storm
i didnt have the ideal build either https://i.imgur.com/kse9v10.png
trail orbit
seriously tho, I feel your pain, it's really hard to dodge the machinegun
proud storm
you'll notice i didnt use cast once even though i had sweet surrender and aphro's cast
trail orbit
sometimes you just have to take the fireball damage like a man and hide behind the wall
like a man
turbid needle
i do that but die anyways lol
i'll get him one day but it'll be a cold day in hell before I get another build that good haha
dire cedar
I think you need to farm for sweet surrender and pomegranates. On my first win I avoided boons that were not Aphrodite so that I could keep upgrading sweet surrender.
indigo compass
try not to dodge too much and try to get the heads to spit the fireballs at one location then dodge away and go back to hitting them
trail orbit
the hydra is somewhat of a damage race in the last part
proud storm
yeah you dont want all those heads sitting around for too long
trail orbit
you either need decent damage, or enough hp to just tank while you hit them with your balloon sword
turbid needle
yeah I was two hitting the mini heads so it wasnt a huge problem, the damage stacking in this game is just nuts
a million things can all hit you at once
indigo compass
yeah but once u know where they spawn the heads u can kidna go there before they spawn and focus em down quikly
turbid needle
yeah I do that
proud storm
i wonder if they'll nerf hydra when the new zones will come out
coral pawn
wait does the damage retaliation proc the riposte heal?
proud storm
uh maybe
indigo compass
maybe ppl are giving feedback about hydra being too chaotic so might see a change
proud storm
i think they'll make hydra less chaotic but at the same time fix skipping through stages of the fight
proud storm
like those people who kill hydra in 20 seconds because he only has time to spawn the heads once
coral pawn
especially in the 3rd phase you can get fireballs on both walls and it's like uhhh
indigo compass
tbh i now have more problems with getting to hydra then actually the fight itself
coral pawn
guessi'lldie.jpg
turbid needle
I have the opposite I get to him every time then rip a fat dip when he has 1/4 health left haha
pseudo tapir
@trail orbit Thanks for the tips. Now I manage to kill her without dying. It really helped getting max lvl dash too.
trail orbit
np, happy to help ๐
coral pawn
yea 3rd phase on hydra is brutal
trail orbit
damage retaliation, as far as i'm aware, procs the heal
really fun for brimstones
mind you, I'm not sure if the ares one counts, being delayed and all
turbid quest
I miss how fun the shield was before the nerf
lucid echo
I'm gonna miss aphro once she gets nerfed into the ground
coral pawn
aphro is bae
lucid echo
She married tho
south comet
turbid needle
yeah zeus was also married to hera and that didnt stop him turning into an ox, stealing a girl and banging her on the newly found continent
which got named after that girl...europe ๐
was smb able to make the sword work?
ornate forge
zues banged everyone in greek mythology
turbid needle
i thought greece is in europe
how is it a new continent
๐ค
@turbid needle
I have no idea, but that girl Europa is the reason for the name ๐
silk brook
Just got a legendary artemis boon
indigo compass
nice
silk brook
silk brook
Well that's my first one in 50 attempts
white shell
wait. so when you attack you fire a true shot cast?
uneven shuttle
Yeah, but it deals very low damage, apparently
hallow pagoda
that support fire is crazy
uneven shuttle
Normal True Shot has base damage of 70-80, double that on an Epic
pearl willow
i don't know this for certain but i'm betting you need a certain number of boons [from a deity] for them to offer you a legendary at all, so odds are in some runs it just isn't possible.
silk brook
Yea, before having that legendary, I had two artemis boons already. Also I had the artemis keepsake on.
turbid needle
the legendary is quite useful against the hydra (if you have a weapon with quick attacks)
but else...i didnt found it that useful
hazy mauve
Sorry I'm new here if this is common knowledge... but I swear on one of my first couple playthroughs I got a little 'perfect landing' message right when I jump down from the window. Hasn't happened again. Is that something that I can do to get a benefit?
echo wyvern
haha it's funny because it's just a single small message, but everybody is asking this exact question ๐
hazy mauve
So it's just a flavor text thing?
rough condor
what is the legendary from athena ? got everything else several times but the athena one wont appear to me
uneven shuttle
Her legendary is AFAICT immunity to the first damage source in a room
But I haven't actually received it
sage sky
Nah, support fire is weak. Multi shot is where it's at. And if you get it early enough to boost it up with poms... oh boy
uneven shuttle
Fun fact; the Quality (rare/epic) of multishot does not matter whatsoever.
sage sky
Every pom means either +1 projectile, or around +40 per projectile
indigo compass
nice
yeah mine was about the same maybea little slower tho cuz i had only 800 dmg but hey thats what i got lol
rough condor
did you get sweet surrender debuff?
sage sky
How tho
indigo compass
think so
sage sky
I can see the +60% cast damage trinket from the shop too
indigo compass
ah i like the artemis cast cause it tracks opponents and does tons of dmg
rough condor
yeah sorry was a few minutes afk. i think the 60% shop dmg was the main point besides the standart debuffs/buffs
orchid pelican
So what am I to do with my 70+ keys now?
rough condor
so distant memory, seeking cast lv 2, shop 60% dmg, sweet surrender lv 2
indigo compass
so we can spend these on em:p
rough condor
im also at 3k darkness 55 gifts and 140 keys or something
orchid pelican
I guess the empty spots with Skelly get filled for sure
rough condor
and we have to wait another 34 days for upgrades
uneven shuttle
Hey, can anyone here confirm if it's possible to get Multi-Shot, Hide Breaker, Breaking Wave, Sweet Surrender, Empty Inside, or any Legendary boons from shops?
rough condor
indigo compass
my total darkness is around 4.2k now
uneven shuttle
I'm wondering when Tier 2 / Tier 3 traits are made available.
kind fiber
@uneven shuttle I don't think the shop as a location matters. You'll get passives more often when you have filled your kit out a bit regardless of the location
uneven shuttle
The tiers are actually in as e.g. ShopTier1Trait or some such
And I know I've had near-empty lists in some shops after picking up all slot boons
At least in first area
Last run I had a shop boon offer nothing but Heaven's Vengeance, for example
kind fiber
Hmmm. Maybe the god in the shop didn't have many valid passives for you to get? I.E. you didn't satisfy the criteria to pick up certain passives.
Heaven's vengence? Which god was that from?
Ares?
kind fiber
Well zeus has quite a few bouncing lightning passives
uneven shuttle
I'd already chosen thunder dash
kind fiber
Well thunder dash can't bounce
uneven shuttle
Lemme check if he's got any other thunder buff things. Surely he must have something else.
kind fiber
I haven't picked zeus too often so I'm not 100% sure what his passive boons are
Maybe Im mistaken
uneven shuttle
Alright, I don't know, but I can't guarantee he has any other compatible traits save his Legendary. Not sure what LimitGainMultiplier does, at least.
Or if it's actually implemented.
But someone mentioned he has a trait called Splitting Bolt that should be compatible with the dash
So, bleh
Gotta test more I guess
kind fiber
Splitting bolt: Your lightning enhanced attacks create an additional bolt.
Not sure if dash would be affected or not
uneven shuttle
Guess it only applies to attacks
kind fiber
Or it only applies to "bolts"
which might refer to the balls instead of actual lightning strikes
weary wolf
Does anyone know if the Hydra health pool scales? It seemed to have less health with my sword/cast build than it did with my bow crit build.
Nevermind I did the math wrong the cast build was big damage
graceful bough
I found a room full of elites to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier than a room full of normal enemies.
I think I'll piss off gods whenever possible.
indigo compass
haha u have not been to the second area or?
indigo compass
yes
indigo compass
all yellow guys are considered armoured
so they are not bosses or anything
theres also boons that do extra armour dmg
graceful bough
I chose between gods and the one I didn't choose got mad and summoned a ton of the miniboss enemies (like the ones with bombs and stuff that you fight partway through the first section).
That room was soooooooo much easier than an average room in the second area.
Which are basically bullet hells.
turbid quest
how do I win the game
pearl willow
the bomber enemies aren't really minibosses, they're all over the place in Asphodel. they're just kind of look that way in Tartarus since you only see them once.
turbid quest
ares is bad?
dire cedar
Fish for sweet surrender aphrodite boon and them use poms to level that up a ton
indigo compass
sword underwhelming , rest is ok
turbid quest
get to hydra failry often
indigo compass
prefer shield or spear myself
turbid quest
but never beat it
graceful bough
I use shield. If I switch to anything else I feel significantly underpowered.
indigo compass
yeah hes easy if u get the right boons:p
autumn yarrow
shield is definitley the easiest to stay alive on
everything else is doable but you need to have a lot more finesse
autumn yarrow
mm i'm definitley pretty biased I didn't realize you could just press the special button again to get the spear back
hollow totem
spears special is bad
its all about the spin attack
and dash canceling
just run artemis spear and speedrun
autumn yarrow
or any of those mechanics
hollow totem
Tbf tho
oblique karma
sword is very bland
hollow totem
All my runs that actual beat hydra have been sword runs
For no reason I just get OP buffs on those
oblique karma
what did you use on sword?
hollow totem
Cast dash set with zeu's lightning
oblique karma
ive been trying to beat it with sword but i only get either cast builds or nothing
oblique karma
cast is wayy too strong rn
indigo compass
well at least it makes the cast used:p
hollow totem
Not really?
Cast is literally only usable in cast runs
you have to fully invest for them to be good
So its like a gamble if you dont get cast boons that run is over
Spear might need nerfs though
I'd rather see things get buffed up though
oblique karma
^
indigo compass
hmm
oblique karma
i hear lots of stories about cast true/multi builds one shotting hydra
autumn yarrow
I don't feel like the game is particularly hard enough for things to need buffs
uneven shuttle
Honestly the issues are mostly to do with boon / buff stacking
Some things just let you stack moar
And you're incentivised to stack into one thing because of how it works
hollow totem
yeah you're kinda forced to stack boons
oblique karma
i think thats how it works in most roguelikes though, once you find a couple of boons you have to settle for a build path
indigo compass
well you know what they say a jack of all trades is a master of none:p
autumn yarrow
I feel like the hammers take place of the gambles
hollow totem
Sword has some of them already but their underwhelming
autumn yarrow
not that thye are rewarding enough usually
hollow totem
only the sowrd really has gamble boons
The rest are just straight buffs
And those gamble boons are bad imo
autumn yarrow
there should be a clear distinction between going for a boon which is just a buff and getting a gamble which can make you really good in some situations but not others
hollow totem
just bad
cyan vine
what do you guys think is the most op build path for shield ? zeus special chain lighting ?
indigo compass
aphro for anything:p
autumn yarrow
as much as i love shield special it's really not that great when you get to aspho
graceful bough
This game feels really fun until you reach the second area.
hollow totem
bow has poseiden cheese
graceful bough
Then it just feels overwhelming.
hollow totem
tbh Sheild + poseiden is amazing
weary wolf
True I just beat the Hydra using only Aphrodite's dash boon
uneven shuttle
Thing is, transistor didn't really have the same issues. Stacking one ability was rarely preferable to having several.
hollow totem
Yeah but the game is so diffucult if you dont stack boons
uneven shuttle
Then again, the budget was pretty high, point-wise. But still
indigo compass
well transistor also dident have that rng
hollow totem
How would you spread a build without being too weak
uneven shuttle
True
hollow totem
You need to specialize in something
have something really strong to get through
Other wise you just take too much damage per room
uneven shuttle
Right now specializing is basically damage stacking, which is meh
hollow totem
not really
autumn yarrow
why not just git gud and not take damage?
hollow totem
Because you cant get good with trash boons
:)
Actually you can
But I've gotten the hydra's 20x with a ghetto build
then its just Game Over
lmfao
weary wolf
The Hydra can be pretty punishing if you don't have at least one thing going for you
autumn yarrow
hydra can be punishing if you get knocked inside a wall and can't move :^)
indigo compass
does get easyer after u beat him
hollow totem
You need to have something to deal with heads for sure
Yeah learning his attack pattern helps
I usually find him easier than meg actually
indigo compass
had plenty of trouble with meg at first too
hollow totem
Cause by the time you get to him you should have a good build
weary wolf
Every fight seems to be easier tbh
hollow totem
Meg kinda can just kill you with trash builds
That or the process is gruesomly slow
indigo compass
yeah she seems to be alot tankyer than hydra
but then again on hydra my dmg is 4x as high:p
with the right boons ofc:p
weary wolf
Ye
hollow totem
Yeah its like if you7 reached the hydra
you have something going for you
you can reach meg with like a hammer boon and one heart
and its like what do i do now
weary wolf
Or you used all your death defies lmao
hollow totem
True I went through a basically boonless meg fight lost 3 death defies
that death defy shop item tho
god bless
indigo compass
well good thing sometimes u can find extra ones in shops
weary wolf
Yeah especially when you get to Hydra with level 5 ๐
indigo compass
one run i ahd 180hp
hollow totem
The game does get a lot easier after the first hydra kill tho
the difference is there
weary wolf
It's true
indigo compass
well yeah the backstab dmg and dash atk dmg does alot
hollow totem
I feel Like you kinda just figuire out how to make builds + backstab/mirror mechanics grow on you
weary wolf
Exactly
hollow totem
before hydra I was trying to spread into so manything things
which makes you so useless in aspho
indigo compass
thats what i love about this one atleast u can pick ur weapon
hate when i play deadcells i start with a weapon i dont like:p
hollow totem
I feel like the spear is the only one that has a defined build though
Like the artemis Crit dash set is so cool
Wish the other weapons had something like that
indigo compass
i like aphro dash more
weary wolf
I mean bow crit builds can get up to 1500 per shot
indigo compass
can just dash away numbskulls all day
weary wolf
But you have to get really lucky with boons
dire cedar
I think I'm the only one who was able to wreck with spear special
hollow totem
The spear special is okay but you have to specialize on that
and I dont like using its special
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
weary wolf
At least it's better than shield special
indigo compass
its pretty good just press and again when its behind ur target for a quik backstab:p
hollow totem
Sheild special is pretty tight till aspho tbh
dire cedar
It relied on sweet surrender, aphro special, and 100% crit chance on spear special
hollow totem
That actually sounds so broke tbh
feel like you even make the sword special get to hyrdra with that
nice build
weary wolf
Sword special is really fun when you get the right build
weary wolf
True
hollow totem
But I've "beaten" the game enough where im just trying stupid runs
indigo compass
idk sword is not fun atm:p
hollow totem
it was so funny
indigo compass
just annoyes me to no end
hollow totem
his ledgendary super buffs wall slam damage
so I was doing 300 wallslam damage
with a sword
indigo compass
its a 3rd atk tho
weary wolf
Sword seems to have a big ramp up. Like it starts really bad but if you can get it buffed its good because of the attack spead
rigid coral
Hi boys any tips for beginners?
hollow totem
not with posei buffs
indigo compass
relying on 3rd atks to slam is not fun
hollow totem
with poesiedne its first swing
indigo compass
dash slamming with shield now that is fun
hollow totem
third swing flings them acorss the room if you land it
tips for beginnners
uhhh
get max dashes
that's like the first buff I would get
dire mason
Have fun take your time!! That's my beginner advice. ๐
weary wolf
Absolutely
rigid coral
aight thanks
lucid echo
ram from across the room into wallslam is the funnest thing in the game
pastel jolt
yessss
indigo compass
wall slamming is very satisfying
turbid needle
is it me or is the spear with some boons kinda broken (using aphrodite attack + more dmg to affected enemies, daedalus faster charge time and artemis dash)
1,4k dmg per charge attack
lucid echo
it's a pity if you're invested into wallslam you're up a creek against bosses
indigo compass
its the aphro:p
pastel jolt
shield with poseidon knockback ๐
velvet nest
more damage to weak enemies is broken w pretty much every build lol
pastel jolt
okay but i'm here to have fun
and sometimes having fun means giggling as i knock fools clear across a room
velvet nest
i know because it's the only way i've been able to beat hydra so far
velvet nest
AND SAME i love using posideon on shield's special
indigo compass
nah would be too much
velvet nest
it's so fun to watch everyone get knocked around
indigo compass
wouldent be a boss if u could smack em around:p
pastel jolt
one of these days i need to start investing darkness into more cast ammo
turbid needle
woops
indigo compass
ah yeah cast ammo is good:po
indigo compass
i end up goin cast every time i get the option:p
hollow totem
But if you want the oppurtunity to be there if you see the boons for it
pastel jolt
it's a vicious cycle because i don't invest, so cast is useless, so i don't use cast, so i don't invest
turbid needle
i currently rarely run cast
hollow totem
then yeah I would invest
indigo compass
witches made me go cast
turbid needle
the only fun cast is ares especially with the legendary boon to it
indigo compass
artemis:p
turbid needle
is it?
weary wolf
Multicast
hollow totem
stickycast
errant narwhal
guys please
indigo compass
artemis is one of my favourites , anything with crit really:p
hollow totem
are there actually like other god cast runs?
does poseiden have a lot of cast boons?
turbid needle
i guess i gotta run an artemis cast run once
hollow totem
Its so broke
turbid needle
btw. how do god's pride and olympian favor add up together?
hollow totem
they just increase your chances for those boons
turbid needle
is there a point to actually put anything into olympian favor?
hollow totem
I would fully invest into the olympians for the time being
dire cedar
TBH I like having one point in Poseidon cast just to help push back and kill mons. Terrible for Hydra though
indigo compass
prolly more chance for rare then epic:p
hollow totem
Just because its a greater percent
turbid needle
what is the cap to those?
hollow totem
Rather than increase 5% chances for an epic why not increase a 10% chance for a rare
turbid needle
currently at 15% gods pride
hollow totem
its just more reliable
indigo compass
is gods pride epic?
turbid needle
y
indigo compass
ah ok then its 30 for other one i think
turbid needle
i can still raise the epic one tho
indigo compass
believe someone mentioned it
turbid needle
olympian favor went to 31% for me tho
indigo compass
maybe 60 30?
hollow totem
whats you're total darkness?
indigo compass
4.3k here
indigo compass
it is?:p
turbid needle
4.1k
indigo compass
i just unlocked everything but the last 2:p
turbid needle
25% for god's pride!
hollow totem
Just try to see how high you can take it
indigo compass
doing that now but its 100 for gods pride and 50 for favor
turbid needle
yeah 25% for gods pride and 50% for olympian
hollow totem
that's still insanely good
epics carry runs
Imma try an aphro cast build
see if she has any cast buffs
indigo compass
artemis is the cast buff u want
hollow totem
aside from scatter
indigo compass
aphro for weak and dmg+weak
pastel jolt
is it just a flat 50/100 darkness per rank?
hollow totem
I was just wondering if other gods have cast buffs
indigo compass
yes
turbid needle
@pastel jolt yep
pastel jolt
oh nice
hollow minnow
Aphrodite's powers are the best!! I love her's lol!!!!
indigo compass
they do
pastel jolt
i couldn't add them to the mirror of night wiki page when i first did it OTL
indigo compass
zeus makes lightning cast bounce
but artemis has dmg:p
with poms of power it goes high:p
muted plank
anyone else kinda dislike that there's 2 kinds of unlock currencies (keys and darkness)? Keys become obsolete so quickly
indigo compass
not rly tho i wish there was more to do with keys:p
like trade for darkness or sumthing:p
uneven shuttle
There are 3, if you count Ambrosia
indigo compass
yes
muted plank
I don't mind ambrosia as much cause it leads to more dialogue
which is all good in my book
indigo compass
well yeah maybe they should increase the key cost or sumething for some of the item that it takes longer for them to be out of use
hollow minnow
yeah...
uneven shuttle
By the way, since I saw that some that some people were speculating on scaling and whatnot; The wiki has most boon values / damage numbers, and quality scaling factors. Upgrades usually give a 30% boost, with some possible exceptions, but I haven't looked into that.
Ares/Zeus I haven't done yet, though
And some of them still need proper names/descriptions, I've just been looking up values
Only god that has significantly different scaling from normal is Artemis anyways. Normally it's:
Common: 1.0
Rare: 1.3-1.5
Epic: 2.0-2.5
hardy star
Anyone have any tips on beating hydra without the spear dash crit cheese ._.
hardy star
Bow dash crit isnt that good when the floor turns lava tried that ;-;
indigo compass
cast is your friend mate:p
hollow totem
Yung Casteroni's
uneven shuttle
Bow dash-crit should be fine if you get a decent hammer upgrade
Just make sure to dash and the charge your shot
Also yeah, Artemis cast will do it
Same with the other ones, particularly Ares, but you need decent RNG for it
exotic hazel
Ugh, im starting to really hate hydra as a boss
hes fun and challenging up until the final set of heads where it just gets so absurdly spammy that its kind of a crapshoot
if you get unlucky with the head spawns and the fire ones block off the walls, its pretty much the end of the run
not to mention the spit fangs sometimes cheat and go through the walls, and also seem to stunlock really hard sometimes
tidal marten
@exotic hazel I find Zeusโs attack boon with the chain lightning helpful for the bunch of heads! Why take out one at a time when you can take out 3!
tidal marten
Iโve definitely had it hit the three on the right all at the same time, super nice
exotic hazel
Cast builds to instagib the heads always gets me through, but if im not doing that build the final wave just MELTS my health reserves
graceful bough
I just played with the blade for the first time in a long time and felt underpowered as baaalls
exotic hazel
Its so bad, Ive tried everything I can to make it good
hollow totem
I've invest everything into olmpians and god favor
exotic hazel
Even on the best builds Ive had it barely comes to the level of a decent run with any other weapon
hollow totem
see if i can do some ledgenday cheese
hardy star
Its fun zipping in and out of the fight like a ninja with sword though lol
exotic hazel
Double hit on dash, + crit damage, weaken on dash, and enemies take more damage when weakened was the best I had
and it was still only about as effective as a middling shield crit build
hardy star
I like shield knock-back build although it feels kinda weak in the area after meg
Usually just get bad RNG aton of flying enemies so the knock in lava strat wont work
exotic hazel
I think the problem wtih the two areas is that builds good for one are pretty bad in the other
armor shred builds arent really useful for tartarus
whereas any sort of cc build is AMAZING it tartarus but pretty useless in asphodel
hardy star
You are absolutely right
exotic hazel
Thus, generalist builds that are just good for anything are king
ie crit builds or cast builds
not really room for experimentation when one of the levels will straight up tell you "no"
hardy star
Crit armor nuke builds though are god tier in any area though
exotic hazel
yeah
I was CRUISING through asphodel with an armor shred build, but when I got to the room before Hydra I realized I had kinda screwed myself
modern bison
is there any ways to defeat the skeleton snake thingy
so freakin hard
i tried shield throwing and arrow q spamming but nothing works
and also what is the use of keys?
limber wadi
Which keepsake do people like using? I have a hard time talking Cerberus' +25 health off
flint totem
Unlocking weapons and extra mirror buffs are what keys are what the keys are for
uneven shuttle
And then switch to double damage at low health if I'm feeling rebellious
flint totem
Same AE
modern bison
wait keys are for unlocking weps?
uneven shuttle
Keys unlock weapons and a number of mirror upgrades
modern bison
isnt that a purple potion that unlocks weapones?
uneven shuttle
They're purple keys
modern bison
ok thanks for the tips
flint totem
Tip for the hydra I think the common tactic right now is aphrodite dash+the passive that makes weaken also make enemies take more damage and dance on its face
modern bison
oh that build i tried ๐ it was fun, sadly i died because i got hard stuck by the hydra missiles
uneven shuttle
Yeah, you gotta avoid the missile salvo at all costs, since it will stunlock you
errant narwhal
massive spin, cruel skewer or armor smasher for the spear?
uneven shuttle
I think I prefer spin to win
worn fulcrum
Just got my first win - Artemis cast build
tranquil steeple
I had those two, plus the buff that makes it so enemies took extra damage after I stabbed em
turbid needle
Are you supposed to only get one daedalus hammer ?
limpid ember
I believe so, yes. I've never gotten more than one at least
Same with attack / special / cast boons
turbid needle
? What do you mean with the boons ?
wintry swan
I've gotten 2 daedalus hammers before
limpid ember
I've never gotten multiple of a type of boon. Like Aphrodite + Artemis attack boons
grand patrol
hey do boons stack or replace? like if theres a boon for attack and i put someone else's on top of it
wintry swan
Also, question about the doors. Some of them have skulls under them. I believe that refers to a harder room or a boss. Is that correct?
grand patrol
its charon rjght?
limpid ember
Yeah
turbid needle
Seems to stack and servant, I definitely had attacks/cast/special/dash boons from different gods
limpid ember
They mean it's a more difficult room
wintry swan
Gotcha. Ty
turbid needle
Rooms with skulls are harder (armor or mini boss)
Don't think they exist in asphodel (cause lots of ennemies with armor)
turbid needle
Ha yeah I encoutnered one
turbid needle
They do that in everygame hehe
uneven shuttle
There seem to be 3 types of rooms: standard, sparkly, and sparkly with skull
wintry swan
huh. What does that signify?
tawdry cairn
maybe the chaos space void place?
turbid needle
Yeah but that's a pool not a door
uneven shuttle
I might be wrong, but I at least know the skull doors sparkle
wintry swan
Hey is there anything else besides the money down in the chaos void space?
turbid needle
Well yeah kinda but I don't think normal rooms sparkle
There is darkness leonidas
Dunno if there are boons
wintry swan
Darkness and money
Theres a joke in there somewhere
So I've been playing bow and spear mostly
turbid needle
Bow is underrated
turbid needle
Buy I wish having 2 daedalus hammer was easier huhu
wintry swan
wait what
uneven shuttle
2 Daedalus hammers is impossible
hollow totem
It should be
wintry swan
I had it at least once
hollow totem
Gimmw gimme
wintry swan
Should I document it next time?
wintry swan
huh. Had it on one of my runs on monday night
hollow totem
If you had it more than once that might be a bug
wintry swan
I'll document next time for bug report
hollow totem
Ik that a lot of the sword hammer boons are incompatible
wintry swan
Its a shame though
uneven shuttle
It's far more likely you're mistaken than not, @wintry swan.
shell belfry
I use bow with artemis crit skill and such, it makes bow kinda good. I'm still stucking in hydra boss though XD
hollow totem
Sword is hot trash yet the only weapon ive beaten the hydra with
wintry swan
havent made it there yet but just started playing monday night
Usually I'm pretty good with roguelikes but I'm still gettting the dash timing down
Plus sometimes it seems to go wierd directions
hollow totem
I would reccomend the spear once you get dashing down
wintry swan
I swapped to spear from bow
its pretty damn fun
Plus it should force me to get the dashes working
but I've been half using it as a ranged weapon with the q
shell belfry
you'll love it when you have zeus cast + legendary one
wintry swan
it doesnt do that much damage.
hollow totem
Theyre only good if you do a full cast build
Other wise theyre bad
Full cast builds are prolly the easiest way to win atm tho
wintry swan
Zeus boon makes it amazing
hollow totem
Artemis is the best cast boon
Artemis is used in the 2 best builds
I hope the other gods are buffed
wintry swan
Wait what does artemis cast boon do?
hollow totem
Tracking and damage
wintry swan
opens up multishot?
hollow totem
You shoot more casts per usage
wintry swan
I've seen the less sticky
hollow totem
So for 4 you could get like 8
limber wadi
I really like the shield
wintry swan
I'm still only at 2 casts. Been saving up for triple dodge, then gonna go for triple death defied
hollow totem
Triple dodge then quick temper are the two you build up almost immediatly
For easy spear carries
ocean halo
Shield is still too strong imo
hollow totem
?
ocean halo
its just too easy to spam
hollow totem
I think its weak compared to spear
worn fulcrum
Shield has the safest AoE, I think
wintry swan
Quick temper is the damage after dodge yeah?
indigo compass
yeah
wintry swan
Does the regain health after retaliation skill go to 100 percent?
wintry swan
Thought that would be too good.
Do all of the skills have max limits or can you scale the backstab bonus forever?
indigo compass
everything is capped:p
wintry swan
Also, do keys and ambrosia stop dropping once you no longer need them?>
indigo compass
gifts are used as extra dialogue for codex entry
keys dont have any use when ur done with em:p
hollow totem
Same ive got 30 keys sitting around
hollow totem
Damn they gonna cost 50 a piece
indigo compass
maybe they are gonna be costly who knows:p
hollow totem
pearl willow
you know the aphrodite cast is pretty good single target as well, nuked the hydra head pretty well
wintry swan
Does rarity of god boons only effect the stats of the boon, or does it effect the boon itself
wintry swan
huh
Okay, so some stuff blends in the background that has good effects. I know about the chests that start a time trial, the mini shops that are cauldrons, and the floor passages to chaos. I also know that there are golden vases that give gold. Am I missing anything?
vestal snow
Whoa, there are golden vases? I didn't know that
nova pawn
So I don't know if this has been discussed already
But you can charge up a spin attack, and then dodge
And it'll do the spin after the dodge
And I think that's super cool
errant narwhal
yeah! i hope thats intentional and wont get patched, its really fun
nova pawn
I've been loving trying out all the animation cancels and combos and stuff like that
loud sparrow
wintry swan
A tip for everyone until it gets patched: swapping between cerberus collar and another relic after the megara fight will heal you.
dire crystal
it did like 500 damage every time i pressed the cast button
which killed the big bombers in like 3 hits
do recommend
dreamy jackal
O.o
dire crystal
Its also useful to put on the relic that buffs item duration, buy item from purple fountain, and put on a new collar
dreamy jackal
Please tell me which boon and at level you used?
dire crystal
Artemis cast boon, level 2 or 3, and then multicast level 2
which shoots
3 ~180 damage projectiles
its incredible
dire crystal
Its
very good
I recommend going in with the shield
supplements the ranged damage well
pseudo grove
Hey guys, is it me or is the Aegis shield broken af?
dreamy jackal
Well, if i canโt get the right boon, I donโt think it will work...
It used to be very broken
pseudo grove
Oh god was it??
dire crystal
its pretty good. synergizes well with poseiden's stuff
dreamy jackal
Now, just good
pseudo grove
That's literally all I've been using so far currently
dreamy jackal
Try Spear
dire crystal
since you can charge up the spin, and then dash to activate the spin instantly at the end location of the dash
kind fiber
@pseudo grove Its pretty good. It isn't particularly broken on its own but offers great damage when shoving enemies into walls
dreamy jackal
Which Poseidonโs boon?
pseudo grove
Any one I feel like
dire crystal
attack one mostly, but his loot find up one is great too
doNT get the poseidon boon for his special
its so bad, enemies are randomly knocked into you
pseudo grove
I think I've been running shield since I got it, I think like since run 8 or 9
dreamy jackal
Have you kill Hydra, yet?
pseudo grove
Ha, no, I'm not good at rogue-likes
dreamy jackal
Okay, what about Meg?
pseudo grove
I got to Meg and died like three runs ago
dire crystal
ive killed hydra twice, both times using shield but last run was 100% cast
dreamy jackal
I have met Hydra five times now
pseudo grove
Yeah I'm not sure why but my laptop can't seem to fun it in 60 fps
dire crystal
ive met hydra a bunch. the issue is their attacks are super crazy hard to beat lol
dreamy jackal
Two of which I have full resurrect chances about 100 hp. He kill me at 25% health or so with his heads spawn clutching the screen
unique swan
Anyone have any tips for getting though Asphodel with the shield? I can't seem to get past the second room. :/
pseudo grove
Are there stats to Meg and the Hydra? I feel that I can barely make dents into Megara when I got to her
dreamy jackal
Deflect
fluid moat
If you need help with hydra, running the Rose Trinket to get early aphrodiate is really useful, then grab passion dash or the attack modifier and try to grab sweet surrender as a later boon
dire crystal
aphrodite's dash is real good
pseudo grove
Ooo, sounds pretty cool
unique swan
Best thing with Megara (at least with the shield) is too dash past her,throw the shield and never. Stop. Moving.
dreamy jackal
What does sweet surrender do?
fluid moat
increases damage taken by enemies that are affected by weaken
dire crystal
meg is super hard without 2 dashes. with only 1 dash she is like hard af
dreamy jackal
Thanks
fluid moat
we think right now there is an extra 100% being attached onto it (reads +48%, does 248% maybe instead of 148%)
so right now sweet surrender is very ridiculous
dreamy jackal
@pseudo grove Try to deflect her barrage of pink missile
You deal ton of damage back at her
dreamy jackal
Yes, but a ton of projectile
fluid moat
if you guys want to try a silly build, go for Thunder Dash early for zues, then do everything you can to get Pom Upgrades and only spend it on thunder dash, then just try to get health and have quick reflexes +2
dreamy jackal
I use either attack deflect or deflect on damage
errant narwhal
yes, sweet surrender is bugged
fluid moat
you will deal 80-130 damage per dash
kind fiber
@errant narwhal I assumed as much, but in what way?
wintry swan
okay thats gonna be my next build
errant narwhal
i imagine itll be fixed in the next patch which is a shame bc ive been exploiting the hell out of it
dire crystal
thunder dash for zeus is pretty good
dreamy jackal
Stand next to her and watch her health evaporated
wintry swan
that sounds hilarious
fluid moat
it is amazing
errant narwhal
theres that extra 100% iirc
dire crystal
deflect doesnt work on hydra's shots at all which still bugs me
quaint steeple
I think it's good that deflect doesn't work on Hydra's shot
It'd trivialize the fight way too much
fluid moat
makes the possitioning really important
dire crystal
positioning is really important sure, but he shoots a ton of projectiles
quaint steeple
Naw, there's an easy way to position yourself to not get hit by anything
dire crystal
i just wish that like, say, the thing where taking damage reflects shots worked on it so you cant get ministunned
quaint steeple
while you have all the time in the world to hit him
dreamy jackal
Just stand behind his head and all missile will miss
fluid moat
the shots can be skewed too
quaint steeple
The barrage of shots takes it's original direction based on where you are standing, and it doesn't change.
fluid moat
so the main head always alternates between the smash attack + projectile, if you know projectile is about to start, head to 1 of the sides then after it aims, dash to the other side and all shots will just miss
dire crystal
i usually just stand behidn the walls but the lava hydras make that hard sometimes
quaint steeple
naw, don't stand behind the walls
I've had unlucky shots hitting me
It's much better to stand to a side and dodge through the other
kind fiber
So the safest area while fighting the hydra is directly on top of him. You can avoid his slam easily enough and being there puts you out of harms way of every other hydra head
dire crystal
it works fine for me so long as theres no lava hydra
yeah
thats probably best strat wise
fluid moat
deflect helps a lot vs the lava hydraas
you can literally deflect the projectiles that spawn lava
quaint steeple
And also deflect the projectiles that spawns the skeletons
fluid moat
right
quaint steeple
Which is kinda lol.
fluid moat
yeah made me laugh
dreamy jackal
On the side note, how does sweet surrender bugged?
kind fiber
Deals way too much bonus damage
fluid moat
we think it deals more damage than it is supposed to
kind fiber
Apparently it says like 60% or more based on rank, but its buffing it by like 160% or more?
dreamy jackal
Okay, I wonโt use it for now, then...
kind fiber
Use it now while you still can
dire crystal
yeah
kind fiber
See how amazing it is
quaint steeple
I don't think it's bugged though. It feels about right to me.
flint totem
Probably only reason I made it through via sword
kind fiber
@quaint steeple lol
wintry swan
Hey do meg and the hydra always come after a certain amount of rooms?
wintry swan
Just checking
dreamy jackal
But, Hydra is not the end of this game. Beating him with something that wonโt work later is bad in the long run
quaint steeple
Could be wrong though. I haven't had a chance both runs last night to get Sweet Surrender.
flint totem
I didn't know when meg spawns
wintry swan
aha
kind fiber
@quaint steeple Yeah, it deals far more damage than it says.
wintry swan
skelly room?
flint totem
The training room
wintry swan
ooooh
errant narwhal
the one with all the weapons, yeah
wintry swan
huh
errant narwhal
dino figured it out
kind fiber
I guess it does because the game saves in that room rather than the room after it
quaint steeple
@kind fiber I see. Imma better abuse the crap out of it while I can then. Those darkness ain't going to farm itself.
fluid moat
alma do you know specifically what type of feedback the devs are looking for?
flint totem
There are at least 3 extra spots
fluid moat
people mentioned general gaameplay, balance etc
quaint steeple
@dreamy jackal It'd be nice if we got more than that, but I'd rather them concentrate on giving the game more depth than simply breadth.
dreamy jackal
I doubt that they would forego depth. Itโs supergiant
exotic hazel
quaint steeple
True. Just saying that I hope they don't spend too much effort designing way too many weapons. It'd be much cooler to get more types of rooms, more boons options etc
dreamy jackal
I love Transistor combat system the most. Hopefully we get some thing like that with boon later on
exotic hazel
I dont think ive ever had as effective and versatile a build as that
everything just...killed everything
quaint gale
really, it just seems like they're taking anything people want to say
quaint steeple
By the way, does wearing Eternal Rose still help in Asphodel?
I see a lot of people still taking it.
flint totem
Helps with getting better boons still
exotic hazel
I took it hoping for the damage +weak boon
errant narwhal
it helps as long as you want more boons
quaint steeple
But doesn't it only guarantee one boon from a specific god?
Then afterwards, it's completely random?
errant narwhal
but if you have what you want from her already its better to switch
exotic hazel
no, it only makes the first boon on a run from that god, then buffs ALL other boons from that god you get
kind fiber
@quaint steeple I'm not sure precisely how the rose works but it ensures that you will see aphrodite before any other single god
errant narwhal
in my experience once you have a boon from a certain god youll get at least one more from them
quaint steeple
Yup, so I usually take it as my initial one, then I swap it after Meg.
errant narwhal
so yeah
kind fiber
@quaint steeple However it is still possible that you will meet two other gods in a rivalry before aphrodite
exotic hazel
As far as I can tell, it doesnt increase boon rarity, just increases their starting strength
Ive never had a rivalry without having one of the gods boons already active
flint totem
Same actually
dire crystal
yeah rivalry always happens after you get 2 boons from diff gods
exotic hazel
thats what I figured, yeh
quaint steeple
Never noticed that. But yeah, I usually much prefer that other accessory that gives 200% damage once you hit 20% health
exotic hazel
although I think ONCE I got a fight with artemis vs athena and I didnt have anything from athena yet
quaint steeple
It's OP as heck with Death Defiance.
flint totem
Especially bc by that point it is pretty easy to be sitting at max 100 health
quaint steeple
Yeah
exotic hazel
So far Id rate the gods like this
Artemis - Top tier, always has something good
Athena - Not particularly great, occasionally has something kinda niche useful
Zeus - Mix of good and bad
Poseidon - Has some weird buffs, mix of meh with a couple REALLY good ones
quaint steeple
Mmm, I don't particularly like Artemis when I'm stuck with "Your special crits" or "Your attack crits". Even on Epic grade, it's what, 60%?
That's a 60% increase in dps. Meh. Doesn't even compare with other gods
exotic hazel
Ares - Never has anything good
flint totem
Ares is insane
exotic hazel
Ive never gotten a single good thing from him
flint totem
you need his cast
exotic hazel
Ah
flint totem
and legendary
dire crystal
Yeah ares cast is great
quaint steeple
Ares' curses are really good with weapons that don't hit often.
Bow and Shield, especially.
quaint steeple
Takes a while to charge though
exotic hazel
Ya just zip n zoop, get free backstabs all day
exotic hazel
it takes like less than a second afai can tell
dire crystal
i agree
quaint steeple
Yup. Shield throw with Ares' curse is probably an easy way out to handle some stuffs
I wouldn't be shield charging in Asphodel.
exotic hazel
I dont ever touch anything related to shields throw
asphodel just makes it too unreliable
flint totem
It still pretty good that is why you take a reliable cast
quaint steeple
Yeap
flint totem
Like Ares or Zeus or Artemis
quaint steeple
Throw a shield, if it flies out of screen in asphodel, you have your casts / dashes to take care of stuffs
exotic hazel
I dont know why id not go all in on cast then
flint totem
Alot of people do
quaint steeple
Because sometimes RNG can screw you over.
And if you get a half baked cast build, going to die at Hydra
exotic hazel
I dunno, I dont think ive ever gotten a half baked cast build as long as I use artemis
flint totem
I don't get multishot every time
exotic hazel
just the homing projectiles alone can coast through pretty much everything
quaint steeple
I've ever gotten Artemis cast, and 0 multishot
exotic hazel
you dont even really NEED the multishot as long as you just go for poms
quaint steeple
Poms?
fluid moat
upgrade
dreamy jackal
Upgrade boon
quaint steeple
Oh.
exotic hazel
the odds of only getting homing cast and not getting at least drop time reduction, or ammo + is really rare
either of those can accomodate a lack of the multishot in my experience
dreamy jackal
Can we get hammer twice? Iโve never get it more than once
flint totem
Yes you can
exotic hazel
especially if you just dump 20 on the charon pool buff whenever you see it
flint totem
It is a bit rare
fluid moat
wait really
exotic hazel
not much can handle 7+ shots
dire crystal
yeah
quaint steeple
I suppose.
dire crystal
also mutlishot is SUPER great
because yknow it just like doubles your pool
artemis so good with cast
exotic hazel
multishot is without a doubt the best perk to get
wintry swan
I've gotten hammer twice before.
fluid moat
it's interesting seeing people talk a lot about cast builds, I stayed in the opposite direction and went for direct attack or dash based builds haha
dreamy jackal
Will we ever see Pandoraโs box? Iโm so want to use it as a gadget or weapon
flint totem
I definitely would like to see more hammers
exotic hazel
I would argue that multishot is even better than support fire, as support fire only increases damage with poms whereas multishot increases rojectiles
quaint gale
yep, I'm with you, Muffin. stacking aphro and artemis to do 1k+ damage per hit
flint totem
Will the pandora's box be a suit case is my question
pearl willow
the hammer effect on sword to grant 3s of crit on your attacks after using special would be a lot niftier if you didn't spend half that waiting to be able to move again lol
quaint gale
wow
quaint gale
I've only been able to get to 1.8k with triple shot
flint totem
Depends on my weapon Bow I definitely more focused on it
fluid moat
did it with a spear build
quaint gale
ahh, yeah that makes sense
fluid moat
yeahh
flint totem
Every other weapon I usually use cast and dodge builds
exotic hazel
Dash + backstab + crit + armor shred + distance boost = big numbers
wintry swan
Hey can crits stack?
exotic hazel
unfortunately no
flint totem
That might just be lack of confidence in skill with the other weapons
wintry swan
dang
wintry swan
Thats on the list
fluid moat
which is another multipliar effect it seems
flint totem
Also Aphrodite's weapon buff is usually pretty high in extra damage as well
flint totem
Doesn't it bump up with the rose to base 100 something?
fluid moat
so if you open with a bunch into the chance to roll an epic from the mirror + aphro trinket, you can start off double damage primary
somewhere around there yeah
I cant remember if it was slightly higher or lower
flint totem
I want to say 106-108
flint totem
Kind of sucks that the artemis dash even at epic only lasts 1 second at base level even though it allows for 3 crit attacks
fluid moat
yeah that was interesting to me
valid dragon
Dose it count multi hits as more then one attack?
pearl willow
on the room just before hydra and it's an ares boon and the only choice is blade rift surge lol, now im going to die
flint totem
...welp that was is almost certainly a rip
pearl willow
went fine actually, fortunately aphrodite cast is actually quite a good nuke and buffed up shield Q did alright killing some heads safely
pearl willow
saw some mention of this earlier, can confirm you can get legendary boons at charon and he can sell them pre-Asphodel
dapper heart
What's the biggest trap of an upgrade you've seen?
flint totem
I thought legendary boons could show up as long as you have certain boons from the olympian you are trying to get it from. Would not make sense to get ares' if you don't have any of the rift boons
Zeus' attack buff would have have to be my choice of trap upgrade
tidal marten
The chain lightning one? How so?
untold trellis
Where do i have to stand to interact with aphro poster?
dapper heart
How is that one a trap? Because the one that messed up a run for me was taking the hammer upgrade that makes the shield come back after one hit.
untold trellis
I like that shield upgrade, tho this run I picked hit 4 targets over it since my shield throw applied weak
with that single bounce shield upgrade you can use it vs hydra for dmg if you want to
flint totem
I just don't think it does enough to justify ever taking it
flint totem
I mean the chain lightning
untold trellis
lighting only seemed good on spear
where you can spam autos fast
Other stuff def better though
flint totem
If you have enemies close enough for chain lightning to matter that much...well you are probably ending up dead very quickly
Like the damage from the chain lightning is pitiful to not really matter once part 2 is reaches
charred dawn
when i boon says "your special ddeals critical damage"
does that mean that it alwasy crits
or does it have a chance
charred dawn
so then its not chacne based unless it says chance?
cant post a pic but im assumign it just alwasy crits
indigo compass
whats the description:p
charred dawn
"cruel skewer"
"your SPECIAL deals CRITICAL damage"
indigo compass
and btw if the chance is there it sys how much chance so:p