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#h1-builds-and-combat
minor axle
minor axle
as soon as im looking for aphro to appear so i can gift her after learning about how OP she is she never shows up again
FeelsBadMan
stable oyster
posiden bow what could go wrong
minor axle
i really liked that in combination with artemis dash
worthy path
my favorite so far has been spear with Aphro attack, artemis dash, and either daedelus aoe on spin or charge speed. Then aphro being nice enough to give me 58% damage reduc lol
minor axle
or maybe that was spear
so what makes enemies defense lower on aphro cuz i have only seen her give a debuff that lowers their damage
minor axle
oh
stable oyster
with hunters dash its busted
minor axle
if only i could get the combination
stable oyster
honestly artimis is my #1 choice just bc of the dash
worthy path
hunters dash is so booosted.
minor axle
it's going to be a sad sad day when it gets nerfed
stable oyster
dash seems fine compared to aphro tho
minor axle
where is my sonic skin for zagreus so i can actually spin dash
stable oyster
if you spin charge then dash with hunters dash you get a crit spin
minor axle
i actually lost to mag with it the one run i had that only because i dashed all over the place too much
do you think the sword needs a buff
worthy path
i mean. you just have to be patient and hit her right before and right after she dashes.
stable oyster
yea it does
minor axle
yeah i just played it wrong
worthy path
yeah its so weak.
worthy path
i meant nah - you didnt just play it wrong.
minor axle
maybe take a page out of vergils book and get a boon that lets you teleport behind enemies on kill with it
it felt like i just played it wrong. i was doing 200 a spin
stable oyster
my suggestion was to make kills with special have no endlag and increase the damage of the cast for sword
make it useful
worthy path
you do like 200just base.
stable oyster
with crit dash its 200
minor axle
i got artemis dash and sniper shot from hammer and i think 100 percent more damage to armor that was pretty funny
worthy path
ah. might be. i forgot i start with artemis charm so i get it early.
though, now that i think about it. i should start with aphro.
worthy path
i had that issue with poseidon. i have 26 runs and i saw him on like 2-4 and didnt have them, then literally not at all til 19
its fine, i dont like anything he has.
minor axle
i have seen him sparingly too yeah
good thing i don't really care for his buffs
same
stable oyster
I start with aphro and pray (get it) for artimis
minor axle
that moment when every room is money or darkness
worthy path
i dont like ares, pos, or athena except for her passive deflect after getting hit.
minor axle
you get 4 casts
worthy path
i REALLY like it.
minor axle
and 23 damage a hit on them
worthy path
ok thats fair.
minor axle
it's so much fun
if yer lucky you can get 5 casts from a shop and a cast damage buff from a shop too
worthy path
i basically ignore my cast unless im forced to so i dont eat a good slot so i always forget that.
minor axle
best i got was 36 damage a second from shop buff
worthy path
๐ฆ
minor axle
and then meg killed me cuz im bad
minor axle
the auto curse damage is not bad either on ares
worthy path
i wish the swords special was better tho
the aftercast is ...
does the curse eat the attack slot or is it a support?
minor axle
the one time i wanted his special curse was when i was running shield special build and he refused
i am not sure
steady wing
anyone else feels like the shield is more or less "easy mode" ?
worthy path
its a lot of effort to make good.
minor axle
maybe i didn't build correctly
worthy path
its not bad though.
minor axle
but level 1 it's pretty easy yeah
pastel jolt
@steady wing did you play with pre-nerf shield? now THAT was easymode
minor axle
i just ran around and mashed Q and easily beat meg
stable oyster
shield is good, but I dont thinks it is easy mode anymore
worthy path
its probably my #2 choice for tartarus at least.
steady wing
I do asphodel alright, yet to beat the last boss though, only got there twice. but then agian, only started to play yesterday ๐
worthy path
i dread boss killing with it tho.
minor axle
im a very patient person
stable oyster
shield rewards good movement and reflexes
minor axle
eh
steady wing
@pastel jolt nope, started yesterday ๐ but the combination of very good range + built in know back + hit damage hitter seems fairly above the rest
stable oyster
but any weapon is good depending on build
pastel jolt
it used to have deflect built in :'D
minor axle
even sword?
worthy path
that wouldve made sense tbh.
minor axle
an arcade mode where you get to pick yer buffs pre run could be fun
stable oyster
and normal was 220
steady wing
i'd enjoy a "test your build" sandbox for sure
minor axle
at the very least
it would let you experience the OP cheese instead of praying for it
before they nerf it away
steady wing
whoohoo, sudden rush with the hammer pick right from the start... this run is going to be great ๐
stable oyster
finally another woke individual who picks sudden rush
steady wing
normal rush isn't really good in general but sudden rush makes it sooooo good
stable oyster
you know the dash cancel?
steady wing
dash cancel?
it didn't seem to be cancelling anything, more like doing it right at the end of the animation so that you don't trigger anything you land on
stable oyster
so after you hit with charge you dash during the charge back to them, do a dash attack, then a normal then hold to recharge
there is almost no delay between the dash and normal attacks, wo with sudden rush you get the three hits in very fast and then continue the chain
while flying across the map
worthy path
steady wing
i'll try that
stable oyster
I have a video if you need, im bad at explaining
@worthy path did you just get the god (get it) run?
steady wing
ended up with thunderdash in that run... man this one is great
already up to 69 aoe damage on dash
don't even need to do anything else lol
worthy path
yea. 70% crit dmg on art and revenge dmg + weaken on aprho
๐
unfortunately, i felt like trying sword again so its on a wasted run.
but i am stakked
steady wing
holly molly that was may fastest meg kill by a fair margin
indigo compass
finally got my first bow kill ๐
steady wing
so, what's the plan with the darkness and the mirror, max shadow presence, vitality, reflex and defiance then.... do something specific for a weapon I guess?
indigo compass
max it all:p
exotic hazel
What are some of the legendary boons you guys have seen?
Ive seen artemis support fire, which fires a true shot projectile with each normal attack, and aphrodites which can charm enemies to your side
dire cedar
@exotic hazel I saw Posedon! I put it on the wiki
rustic field
i imagine it works less well with the rift dash
hushed ledge
Athena prevents the first instance of damage per room, poseidon doubles damage from wall collisions
iirc
rustic field
wait athena does only that?
exotic hazel
is that poseidon one a legendary boon? i thought it was just an epic
the double wall collision damage
dire cedar
The one in the wiki is definitely the legendary boon.
I copied it verbatim from my screenshot.
exotic hazel
holy crap, I just killed the hydra before it could even spawn the other heads
triple artemis shot, about 300 damage per shot, and a 30% chance to crit on any damage
It DELETED his health bar
worthy path
l0l
flint totem
Any tips for a spear run?
flint totem
So spin to win is the name of the game?
sick quest
hi
sage sky
Or, just get a good zeus attack boon, and spam your basic attack. Or aphrodite boon, and pretty much whatever you want. The spear is honestly the most versatile weapon in the game rn in terms of viable builds
sick quest
stray try aphrodite with left click and damage vs weak and if you have artemis rush (crit) ,this is insane with lvl 4 left click and 3 weak vs damage and arthe dash lvl 2 i deal 690 damage
sage sky
Hell, I even managed to make good use of ares's delayed damage, and that's saying something
flint totem
I think the delayed damage was how I managed to beat the hydra with the bow
sick quest
mhh a bow try up your bow when he can 3 shoot
misty sentinel
Has anyone gotten the legendary boons?
sick quest
yes me
flint totem
I liked rapid fire on my bow
sick quest
last night with aphro
misty sentinel
Got one from artemis, gave you a seeking cast shot on attack and cast
what did it do?
flint totem
Artemis dash+rapid fire bow is fun
sick quest
i dont remerber at 5 am dont really use my head xD
misty sentinel
Oh :p
frigid robin
mmmm what are some good daedalus hammer for the bow?
quaint gale
perfect shot
misty sentinel
piercing
sick quest
yes 3 shoot with hammer
frigid robin
piercing is penetrating right?
sick quest
nice
flint totem
Take penetrating unless you got Artemis dash then I would take rapid fire
frigid robin
cri i dont
flint totem
That is how I would build at least
frigid robin
im gonna try it :3
i just feel like im not getting my dashes off as cleanly but that may be bc i didnt play for a day and my timing is just off
sick quest
then try athena for safe dash
sage sky
tbh, most bow upgrades are pretty good in some situation or another
flint totem
Not the greatest fan of sniper but otherwise I agree
Is playing this game on controller harder or easier in general
wheat perch
i found controller easier for me, but kbm was pretty fine as well
frigid robin
i havent played controller so i cant say
the kmb is fine for me
flint totem
I have been using controller but everyone seemed to be using kbm so I thought I was missing something
quaint gale
nah, I play controller and it's perfectly fine
though I put dash on L1 and attack on R1 so my index fingers do something
stable oyster
idk kb and mouse lets you aim attacks super fast
flint totem
I don't seem to have problems aiming so I think I will stick to controller
pearl willow
kbm all the way for me, i can't aim with a joystick to save my life
stable oyster
stick! get it !
flint totem
I did kbm both bastion and transistor
Dunno why I decided to switch sides
And unintentional pun
stable oyster
i think controller is better for bastion but this game is much faster
I noticed that it was unintentional because it took a moment to "click"
Im sorry
flint totem
Switch puns now?
pulsar loom
Level 6 passion dash, 82 damage per dash- no deaths
kind fiber
Passion dash is one of the better dashes for sure
Usable for damage unlike Poseidon's and Ares'
sick quest
ah i got leg aphro
flint totem
I hate the surge dashes
quaint gale
don't take aphro's leg, she needs that to walk
pulsar loom
Want to play a surge build? You're gonna have a bad time.
kind fiber
Yeah, they are so slow, and don't offer invulnerability throughout
sick quest
just say what he give
kind fiber
What does aphro's leg do?
flint totem
Never tested it but does nyx's thing make them work better?
kind fiber
Or is that not a thing?
sick quest
10 % chance charme and 5 s duration charme useless xd
kind fiber
I doubt it stray, its more about their ability as movement and ability to avoid damage. You give up the ability to evade effectively to deal subpar damage
frigid robin
UGH
so itll bounce you back into the flames
if you try to dash from behind the hydra
im so 
spark socket
opinions on shattershot from aphrodite ?
velvet geode
Is there any gift guides out there?
velvet geode
yeah
kind fiber
@spark socket Haven't tried it too much, strikes me as bad cuz it can't be used effectively at range
errant narwhal
i dont think there is rn
kind fiber
@errant narwhal Don't have a guide but I can' tell you what the keepsakes are
errant narwhal
i have them all, i know
kind fiber
K then
errant narwhal
cerberus is like the best keepsake if you want to play it safe, ill say that
+25 health from the start is pretty nice
errant narwhal
theyre pretty good
kind fiber
I like being able to get specific gods, but I dunno if its useful beyond that
errant narwhal
aphrodite is super strong rn so i use hers
kind fiber
Yeah she is. Good basic attack buffer or dash buffer
flint totem
I personally like skull earring
kind fiber
+1 revive at 1 health?
flint totem
Glass cannons for life
kind fiber
I feel like cereberus would be more useful
flint totem
100% damage when at 20% health
kind fiber
ah
Useful for sure
Seems easier to stay at that portion of the health pool than other games
flint totem
Gets the blood pumping once you hit that point especially after you raise your max health twice
Bc you are brought there when death defied triggers
kind fiber
The sword has some of the most interesting upgrades
Considering trying a special build with the sword but I dunno how that would work out
sick quest
i dont like sword then i dont knows the best god or up
kind fiber
What do you mean?
kind fiber
Sure I got that. but "then I dont knows the best god or up"
sick quest
Q are no really good
flint totem
The sword feels like it is lacking
sick quest
for the best for your weapon
kind fiber
Yeah, it does. Feels like it should do more damage for not having a knockback on every hit
flint totem
Yeah especially with the shield doing as much as it does
sick quest
but i think poseidon are the best for this weapon
obsidian ermine
sword with flurry from the hammer is actually pretty strong though.
kind fiber
I guess the difference between the shield and the sword is the sword has compelling melee upgrades whereas the shield doesn't have anything of the sort
sick quest
sure
flint totem
It does become a stunlock beast with flurry sure but when armor comes into play...
sick quest
then i try sword and i call you when i found op god for him
frigid robin
triple shot or point blank???
also i really
do not like the athena dash with the bow ugh
sick quest
for armor artemis
uneven shuttle
Yo, edited the Aphrodite page on that Wiki to reflect data values
sick quest
crit destroy armor
uneven shuttle
But I don't remember the name or description of the legendary trait
Just its effects
flint totem
Triple shot you still have penetrating
frigid robin
no no this is a different run now
kind fiber
point blank hands down IMO
frigid robin
i died on hydra
sick quest
OUPS MAG
kind fiber
triple shot doesn't seem good
frigid robin
i got stuck behind the hydra with a damage dash
flint totem
I heard triple shot works with athro attack though
kind fiber
What do you mean?
It applies a stacking debuff?
Like the weak debuff from aphrodite 3 times?
uneven shuttle
Triple shot is the best IMO. 3x damage, and isn't all wasted on a single skull, so it can still clear hordes
sick quest
i give you a screen ae for leg aphro
uneven shuttle
Thanks m8
kind fiber
I don't agree at all. most of the time you wont be dealing 200% extra damage and its not nearly as useful at eliminating hordes as some other options, like taking Zeus in the attack slot
sick quest
your weapon ascended ?
quaint gale
taking zeus in the attack slot is denying yourself double base damage, which is not a trade off I like
kind fiber
@sick quest I'm not in the middle of the round
@quaint gale What are you talking about? Taking zeus and point blank is certainly better than taking spread shot and something else.
Not saying that Zeus's ability is the best one for the slot tho
uneven shuttle
You know spread shot's projectiles all deal the same damage as 1 un-upgraded shot, right?
So it is 3x damage if they all hit 1 target.
kind fiber
I assumed as much
uneven shuttle
And at range, they hit 3 different targets.
quaint gale
Aphro increases your damage, straight up, usually by double
kind fiber
Why would they hit the same target? Are you in their face? Then point blank does 50% extra damage on your base
uneven shuttle
Seems more useful than just 3.5x at close range, and a single shot at range to me
kind fiber
Hitting 3 different targets is terrible
limpid ember
Not really
quaint gale
isn't that essentially what you're doing with zeus?
limpid ember
Think of the skull piles
uneven shuttle
Nah, it's pretty freakin' good
quaint gale
except with less damage
limpid ember
Killing 3 of them at the same time is super good
Compared to overkilling one 3x over
kind fiber
You won't be overkilling one 3x over beyond the early game. And in the later game, its better to be able to target individuals down. Additionally I have doubts over the accuracy of the two additional shots
turbid needle
mmhhh i like to take the penetrating arrow, if possible, just kite back and smack em ๐
quaint gale
ah, that is true
limpid ember
Umm yeah, you 1 shot the skulls with 0 boons
quaint gale
though it would still be less than if you took aphro
uneven shuttle
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
limpid ember
with 350% dmg you will overkill them
@untold trellis I think it should just be able to stack
untold trellis
That could work too
limpid ember
like if you hit them 5 times quickly, they take the delayed damage 5 times
kind fiber
Sure servant-rider. Early on, when you don't need the extra damage, but later they will have armor and its more difficult to one shot them.
limpid ember
Not really
uneven shuttle
The 350% also has a range of 300 units, past which it's normal, and that's a pretty short range (the dash attack has a radius of 350 units)
limpid ember
Even with a lvl 1 aphrodite boon you 1shot them
uneven shuttle
I don't buy that the extra 50% makes as much difference as 3 projectiles would
especially since it's actually 16.6...%, when you compare end damage
kind fiber
I dont buy that you have enough accuracy with the additional projectiles that being able to easily target down larger things doesn't matter
worthy path
Yea. I've tried all of the weapons a decent bit through the 2nd area. nothing feels that great aside from spear which i love. Shield is probably #2 and the animation time is a bit long.
turbid needle
i think the problem with the bow is (couldnt beat hydra with it yet) that the dmg is actually not that big even with the power shot (compared to spear spin) and its not aoe
uneven shuttle
This is funny to me
worthy path
i dont feel like the risk reward is balanced.
turbid needle
and athene on the special is a must have against all the witches
(on the bow)
also it helps with meg (even though it doesnt do all that much dmg, even if you hit all your special shots)
kind fiber
Does reflecting meg's projectiles even do damage?
uneven shuttle
Yup
pallid aurora
yes, it does 4 per
turbid needle
4 per shot
uneven shuttle
You can even reflect her big AOE blasts, and they'll do damage
turbid needle
but you can position yourself in front of a wall, wait for meg to charge at you and time your special
she eats all the shots, you deflect and she takes wall slam dmg in addition
worthy path
deflecting non-projectiles is so funny.
I hope they change the word to REflect though for clarity for newer players.
kind fiber
@turbid needle With what weapon are you talking about?
turbid needle
bow
delicate crane
am I just imagining it or does the hydra stun lock with it's ranged attack?
uneven shuttle
It does stunlock
delicate crane
uh I hate it
kind fiber
Well, you can drop down to feedback and let the devs know
delicate crane
true
turbid needle
@kind fiber but yeah all your special shots just with athenes boon does like 120 dmg + 60 from the wallslam = 180dmg
and you can deal 200dmg with just the atermis dash and your spin, which is way easier to hit and less risky
delicate crane
I just found my first Legendary boon though
kind fiber
@turbid needle Sorry, what are you saying that in response to?
turbid needle
FE_Barrakiheute um 23:51 Uhr
but you can position yourself in front of a wall, wait for meg to charge at you and time your special
she eats all the shots, you deflect and she takes wall slam dmg in addition
delicate crane
If you get caught by one though you can't dash away
quaint gale
oh boy, an epic crit damage and epic aphro damage with triple shot...here's hoping for an epic weak damage
quaint gale
I reeeeeally wanna slam 2000 damage into the hydra's stupid head
indigo compass
well as long as u got some dmg to at least quikly kill extra heads ur pretty much good
quaint gale
oh I know it'll die, I just want to erase the thing
(also I only got artemis' 100% against armor, rip big damage against hydra)
pearl willow
sometimes i think im getting pretty good and sometimes it takes me like 10 shots with the bow to hit the stupid little walking pots
worthy path
aaaay we did it bois, we beat act 2 and still have 90 hp and all 3 revs
D: wat
HECK IS THIS
loud sparrow
you seem to have found the boss?
dull berry
loud sparrow
no, that just sounded to me like he finished the levels of asphodel and reached hydra 
my bad
worthy path
nah i beat hydra and didnt read enough and was like "wtf i looked away for like 6s after a cutscene why am i dead"
loud sparrow
haha rip
flint totem
Yeah that is the hard force end
obsidian ermine
Spear -- Quick spin or Untouchable Thrust?
copper night
Depends on your playstyle
I would take Untouchable Thrust because I dont really use the spin attack
obsidian ermine
ty ๐
kind fiber
Whats untouchable thrust?
obsidian ermine
thrust is extra reach plus bonus dmg at distance
kind fiber
right
indigo compass
nice just beat hydra with sword
flint totem
...what was your build
loud sparrow
my bet is on lifesteal ๐
quaint gale
my bet's on either world splitter or flurry slashes
indigo compass
only got the aphro dash and weak on atk with a hammer for double dash strike
raised the atk to lvl5 and just did my best:p
quaint gale
double dash strike? interesting
indigo compass
yeah it gives a second strike to your dash strike
and crits
so pretty decent backstab potential
quaint gale
oh ok, yeah that seems alright
uneven shuttle
I did that once, it works out pretty well.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/376948626213306368/522217793677164549/pureswordrun.PNG
Leveled Sweet Surrender real high instead of the dash or slash separately, since it buffs all your damage
indigo compass
yes that was my plan but i dident get the dmg to weak:p
pearl willow
first time seeing this, legendary ares boon makes your blade rift casts suck enemies in lol, i just picked it up but it wrecked that infernal trove
indigo compass
lol
pearl willow
holy crap it just STOMPED that floor in asphodel when you're on the moving platform, this is sweet. though its also significantly benefitting from me buffing its damage with weaken on attack.
stable oyster
now imagine that with hunters dash
steady minnow
Aphrodite's so op. I just got Artemis's critical damage with deal more damage weak foes 
pearl willow
sadly the suck has no effect on hydra ๐ฆ
exotic hazel
Im worried they dont nerf a lot of the super strong combos too hard
someone earlier suggested just one boon per god, which would be HORRIBLE to play
you get to a god you like, see their three boons, none are what you want, restart run
cast is def a bit too strong tho, I feel like the cast buff should scale a bit less, and the additional projectiles should deal a bit less than the main cast
kind fiber
I don't think 1 boon per god would make sense as some of the current boons synergize with picks from a specific god, and they intend to make the game a much longer length
I doubt they would remove the same god synergy picks
exotic hazel
I would definitely hope so
oblique karma
stallordD it would also make the keepsakes useless
i hope they add different god same boon
unrelated but has anyone won against hydra without using cast?
i.e. just weapon
kind fiber
You mean a boon that comes from multiple gods?
Why would they do that?
Yeah I just did
Didn't use cast at all
Err
well I did but it wasn't a huge portion of damage
oblique karma
@kind fiber nah i mean like you can get two attack related boons from different gods
kind fiber
I used the synergy between the aprodite dash and the +damage to weak for amazing output
Ah, i getcha
turbid needle
How-To: Hydra Boss Battle:
1.) Dash around like crazy to avoid the myriad of projectiles, flame pits, head bash attacks, and spawned enemies.
2.) Eventually lose track of your (way too small) character in all that chaos on the screen
3.) Notice way too late that the character you try to control is actually an enemy while your actual character has been bathing in lava for the last 10 seconds
4.) ...
5.) Profit?
oblique karma
oh yeah, %up to weak units is really op
oblique karma
i feel like the strongest builds revolve around aphrodite and artemis rn
ares's curse is way too weak
zeus only works with enemies nearby
poseidon needs walls
kind fiber
And doesn't work at all against bosses
errant narwhal
i find it funny that aphrodite and artemis are the best combo, since theyre so catty to each other
oblique karma
female gods op
cyan abyss
Are's curse if it activates when you proc your thrust with the sword with the lifesteal upgrade it procs it
kind fiber
Okay
sonic hedge
I hate the big fat guys
lost rose
Louts?
loud sparrow
so agree, theyยดre rough if you cant break the armor quickly or hide behinde pits
grand oar
Sounds like your farther along than me. I'm on the first lady boss
embers?
is thats what their called?
lost rose
wait for them to charge, dash behind, backstab with bow special at point blank
bam, armor gone
kind fiber
@grand oar Meg
grand oar
Right
kind fiber
Short for megathara or something
kind fiber
Want a tip?
grand oar
right
kind fiber
She will often use it immediately after stopping something else
grand oar
that was what i had - get deflect and just look for the dash
(dash deflecty)
and i just meet her in the dash
kind fiber
Or alternatively, you could just avoid it and meet up with her at her end location
errant narwhal
short for megaera, btw :P
kind fiber
it has a decent wind down in addition to the wind up
grand oar
that's less intricate and thus less appealing to me ๐
sonic hedge
But i find the bow to be super weak in my opinion i have gotten further with the shield then any other weapon
kind fiber
The bows good, many of the different upgrades for the bow are all effective
grand oar
or the others too weak
kind fiber
The shield is great, but only when you can knock enemies into walls
you can't knock bosses into walls, and world 2 is almost entirely lacking in walls
grand oar
I also like just upgrading the s out of shield throw, it gets nuts ๐
you can just clear stages in like 10 seconds
sonic hedge
Lmao
kind fiber
I haven't seen that. Seems less powerful than cast builds and aprodites dash build
grand oar
not at all in my experience
kind fiber
Well it seems you haven't gotten far into the game. 20 damage a hit isn't a large amount
sonic hedge
But you can push them into fire on the second stage which does the same damge as a regular shield bash
kind fiber
When you could be doing 200+ per action
grand oar
its far from 20 after upgrades
kind fiber
How much is it? I dont remember an upgrade that increased its damage other than god boons
grand oar
but yeah of course it might change later on
there is one that increases damage of it by 100% for each bounce
kind fiber
Ah k
kind fiber
Been awhile since I used the shield
The shield could really use some anti boss damage
grand oar
ยจthen u add chain lighting to it ontop of that, and then the shield bounces around to begin with.
it starts becoming mayhem
dreamy jackal
I have fought the Hydra a couple of time now
dreamy jackal
Everything I dies because I can see the screen
dreamy jackal
He spawn about four to five heads
And they block everything
Canโt see my character
How to deal with that?
kind fiber
K, yeah finding your character during the hydra boss is difficult
Kill the heads quickly is about the best I got for you
dreamy jackal
...okay...
kind fiber
It will probably be fixed at a later date so it wont be an issue forever
dreamy jackal
I enjoy every weapon, but the sword. Anyone knows how to properly use it?
warm lagoon
stick them with the pointy end
uneven shuttle
There isn't really a good way to use the sword I'm aware of. Dash attacks are probably best
But that's true for like, all the weapons
dreamy jackal
Little Tiโzo. Youโre my second favorite character after Fae!
But the problem is I canโt reliably stick the pointy end with taking some damage in the process...
kind fiber
@dreamy jackal I'd suggest using it with aprodite or athena's attack buff, beyond that, you should upgrade it for rapid swings if possible, and if you pick up enough defensive boons, the lifesteal one can keep you sustained indefinitely
kind fiber
Its pretty damn good, up there with artemis's cast build
grizzled tinsel
yea, if you have a melee build
dreamy jackal
Upgrade for rapid swing?
grizzled tinsel
it's basically a second wep upgrade
kind fiber
@dreamy jackal The hammer allows you to upgrade your weapon, go for the one that cuts off your lunge, but allows you to swing faster
dreamy jackal
From Daedalusโ hammer?
kind fiber
Yeah
dreamy jackal
Okay
grizzled tinsel
also the sword's upgrades are rlly good
kind fiber
Yep
kind fiber
I mean, the sword probably is the worst weapon
grizzled tinsel
again, 300% vs armor
kind fiber
The spear has a way better version of the % damage to armor
grizzled tinsel
thats the special right?
grizzled tinsel
just for special
pearl willow
ah man, i dont think anything is more amusing than aphrodite dash runs lol
grizzled tinsel
not basic attks
kind fiber
Yeah, but its more useful to get rid of the armor at a distance
kind fiber
You can deal 300 damage for every throw/return extremely easily before engaging in melee
grizzled tinsel
fair enough, never tried it myself
indigo compass
percentage does depend on rarity tho
kind fiber
The hammer doesn't have rarities
indigo compass
the 500 percent ones are mostly epic i think
kind fiber
Static amounts for the hammer, only gods boons vary with rarity
sage sky
Keep in mind, if the enemy even has 1Hp of armor left, it still boosts the attack by 500%
grizzled tinsel
thats my experience
yes, but for throwing
isk
idk
always found throwing controls a bit akward
even with a mouse
sage sky
Even if throwing is slow. 500%
dreamy jackal
Who give life steal boon?
grizzled tinsel
ls is okay
sage sky
It's not exactly a small number
grizzled tinsel
but no iframes makes it really risky
kind fiber
@dreamy jackal No one. the boon is a hammer upgrade that causes you to gain 10% lifesteal at the cost of 50% max health
Its a ranged move
You don't need iframes for it
grizzled tinsel
no i
mean
that the burst in this game is a lot higher than trad. roguelikes
i tend to not take much dmg and then die all at once
dreamy jackal
@kind fiber only for sword?
grizzled tinsel
most upgrades dont give that much additional damage
kind fiber
but damn if you wont sustain yourself through alot of damage
kind fiber
The bow ones do good damage too
dreamy jackal
Okay thanks. Time to dies again...
kind fiber
Its just the spear and shield don't have high damage upgrades in generally
grizzled tinsel
yea
kind fiber
Every bow upgrade is large % damage increase if you can make use of them
hollow minnow
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the sword is--surprisingly--pretty bad compared to the other weapons! Which is sad bc I LOOVE using swords in gamees!!
hollow minnow
My favorite is BY FAR the Shield!!!!
kind fiber
The sword's base stats suck, but some of the upgrades are great
grizzled tinsel
yeah it depends on if you get fastslash / armor / other
hollow minnow
I've barely used it, honestly, so I have yet to see the upgrades XP
kind fiber
Theres one that increases your "attack" damage by 400%
grizzled tinsel
oh the one slash thing
errant narwhal
i like that one
grizzled tinsel
its ok
kind fiber
Haven't used it that much
errant narwhal
but u need to be way close
grizzled tinsel
harder to stunlock, and its a pain to aim on controller
i feel like despite the recommendation, the autoaim is so finicky that you need a mouse to use ranged or thin hitbox weapons
fallen lintel
dash crit upgrade from hammer is better if you're used to dash attacking
and you have quick reflex maxed
grizzled tinsel
yeah that's fun
quaint gale
that sword dash attack feels...a little unwieldy at times
kind fiber
Is it? it seems really difficult to use effectively.
kind fiber
Im using a mouse
fallen lintel
i've only played with the sword so i have a lot of practice
there's no easy wins with sword though
quaint gale
I have no choice but to believe you
fallen lintel
closest you can get is a cast build
kind fiber
Well yeah. but he mentioned a cast build
grizzled tinsel
fair
kind fiber
and cast builds can be amazing regardless of weapons
fallen lintel
ye
fallen lintel
is aphrodite dash really that special?
kind fiber
it is THAT special
grizzled tinsel
it's like
kind fiber
Especially if you can get the % damage to weakened targets afterwards
kind fiber
15 dps?
quaint gale
that seems low
fallen lintel
sure but the weapon upgrade seems a lot better, no?
grizzled tinsel
that at common boon without upgrade
kind fiber
I had an end game build that was dealing 200+ per hit with the dash
quaint gale
that seems less low
kind fiber
@fallen lintel Than the dash build? No. not at all
grizzled tinsel
the problem is that athena slash is v nice
fallen lintel
yeah then i don't know aphrodite dash at all
kind fiber
Well try it
grizzled tinsel
it's pretty insane
kind fiber
Upgrade the dash whenever you can and try during the second act to get the + damage to weakened passive from aprodite
Spear would be the best weapon to pair it with, but it doesn't really need to be paired with a specific weapon
errant narwhal
@kind fiber please try not to swear
grizzled tinsel
when did he swear
kind fiber
I understand. I'm not going to be punished if I swear am i?
quaint gale
it was erased from history
grizzled tinsel
ah
kind fiber
@grizzled tinsel My post was deleted instantly
grizzled tinsel
by the way, i feel like poseidon's boons all suck
they all have subpar damage because of knockback
but knockback doesnt work on bosses
kind fiber
Yep
grizzled tinsel
hm
quaint gale
I basically only want artemis and aphrodite right now
kind fiber
I mean, like its amazing. But it doesn't work on really important opponents and you can't slam people into walls in the lava river section
quaint gale
any other god shows up and I'm disappointed
grizzled tinsel
wait, really?
kind fiber
Yeah
grizzled tinsel
tho i guess i wouldnt know
quaint steeple
What boons on artemis are good?
grizzled tinsel
never got a poseidon build past mel
quaint gale
dash crit plus crit damage
fallen lintel
poseidon sword upgrade works alright if you're good with dash attacks
grizzled tinsel
the basic damage buff is bad
quaint gale
yeah, not the basic attack
quaint steeple
But that invalidates Aphrodite's dash
grizzled tinsel
on artemis
quaint steeple
Can't get both.
quaint gale
Artemis dash crit + crit damage + Aphrodite Attack buff + weak damage
quaint gale
equal 4 digit damage
grizzled tinsel
aphrodite melee is +25% per upgrade
quaint steeple
I see.
grizzled tinsel
insane
quaint gale
epic versions of any of those is instant double damage
fallen lintel
aphrodite gives the best boons in general seems
kind fiber
Well artemis gives some pretty damn good boons as well
grizzled tinsel
fair, just never got into casting / other
fallen lintel
true shot, dash crit, crit damage yeah
grizzled tinsel
i feel like you should be able to machinegun blood bolts
fallen lintel
and cast ammo upgrade
kind fiber
Would it be wrong if blood bolts dealt 50 damage initially instead of just 40?
They seem so weak early on
grizzled tinsel
honestly, the problem is that it takes forever to fire bbolts
it's like one per second
kind fiber
But then again, early content gets trivialized once you start getting all the mirror upgrades
grizzled tinsel
yeah, that's a bit annoying for me
this is supposed to be a roguelike
not an rpg with bonus grinding
quaint gale
it's only kind of a roguelike (roguelite?)
grizzled tinsel
I don't know where the game goes too far, but being able to upgrade things like backstab and the riposte is too far
quaint gale
also who knows, maybe the end of the game enemies have 10k+ health
kind fiber
lol. Dunno if game goes too far, game goes too far here and here
grizzled tinsel
the thing is roguelikes still have the key feature of (usually) having a good shot of beating the game first try
quaint gale
curse of early access
grizzled tinsel
mm
quaint gale
that might be true, but it doesn't mean this game has to do that
kind fiber
I guess its more similar to deadcells than other roguelikes
quaint gale
all depends on how the devs view it
grizzled tinsel
ironically, dead cells isn't ANYWHERE as egregious as this
some of the weapons are op, but in dc you can definately beat the game with +0s
kind fiber
What do you mean?
grizzled tinsel
it's more at 1 and 2 cell where you really need + and ++
kind fiber
Well I guess thats the consequence of multiple difficult settings?
Maybe they'll make the first difficult setting for when you are just starting out easier than this, then progress it upwards
grizzled tinsel
yeah, maybe
then again, the big problem I had with dead cells was that I felt that unless the player was some sort of golden god, they had to grind to at least + ~80-90% to get anywhere on 4 cell.
this is the same issue with the +rare and +epic upgrades, but it also has what seem like poorly disguised flat damage and defense buffs in the form of backstab damage and riposte heals
pearl willow
man when the bow gets rolling it is nuts, killed the hydra in like 5 shots lol
hollow minnow
There's a hydra?????????????? OH NOOOOOOOOOOO
loud sparrow
hollow minnow
The skeleton twins in chamber 8 were soooooooooo hard for me! And now there is a hyrda?!?!?! I am dooooooomed
kind fiber
lul
indigo compass
haha theres another one in between:p
pearl willow
and personally i found dead cells to be very little fun, love hades though. it reminds me way more of Ruiner (which is amazing) than dead cells.
quaint gale
huh. never thought of that comparison before
loud sparrow
there is loads of fun stuff that can kill you Janeen, you wont get bored any time soon ;)
hollow minnow
Oh LOL believe me I'm not bored yet!! ๐ ๐ For me the fat Wretched Louts are the worst! They do so much damage! Who knew fat ghosts could be so deadly?!?! ๐ ๐ฑ
indigo compass
and fast
hollow minnow
Ohh I LOVE the spear's charge, that thing is so cool!
kind fiber
Well
hollow minnow
charges kind of slow though in my opinion
kind fiber
Im doing 700 damage with it
loud sparrow
spear spin slash is my favorite thing aswell
kind fiber
Sadly I didn't get this last upgrade before it was relevant
hollow minnow
700?!!?!!??!?!!
grizzled tinsel
i dont like all of the vulnerable frames afterwards
loud sparrow
you can get a few nice crit upgrades on it then it hits like crazy yes
grizzled tinsel
hot diggty
kind fiber
Also have + damage to weak
grizzled tinsel
and aphro dash?
kind fiber
Don't have improved crits tho, just improved crits vs armored
loud sparrow
vulnerable frames after spin slash?
kind fiber
@grizzled tinsel No Arty dash for 100% crit chance
grizzled tinsel
you get stuck in the slash animation
kind fiber
@loud sparrow Low. Its a charge time not a recovery time ability
loud sparrow
are you dashing before you release it?
grizzled tinsel
i mean the attack is ~.5s long
kind fiber
@loud sparrow Dashing instantly releases it at the new location
loud sparrow
yeah i know
kind fiber
Yes i am
grizzled tinsel
good to know. Less horrible than I thought
loud sparrow
yeah without dash the spin slash wouldnt be as good
grizzled tinsel
By the way, you should definitely be able to cancel basic attacks with a dash. I'm not sure where, but it locks me into attack
kind fiber
I just didn't know what to call it
Started doing 860 damage with the spear charge blink towards the end
kind fiber
Beaten it 4 times now
grizzled tinsel
nice
first time I got there, had it really low and then the stunbolts pinballed me from 40 to 0.
also, I think that the hydra's slam attack hitbox is a bit large, but that might be my imagination
kind fiber
Yeah they are annoying
indigo compass
good luck:p
kind fiber
yep
indigo compass
may aphrodite guide u:p
kind fiber
Well would you look at the time? It seems like its about time for you to die
spring oyster
Anyone think the sword needs a rework? The spear is so far superior in almost all ways including damage, range, and recoil time, besides making a Poseidon wall bash build, which is easier on the spear too, the sword has nothing going for it.
Also when dealing with armored units the sword almost provides nothing but liability.
indigo compass
yes alot of ppl are reporting feedback on the sword
kind fiber
It probably doesn't need a "rework", depending on what that means, just a damage or attack speed increase so it isn't inferior to the spear/shield
spring oyster
well the problem with the sword is mainly armored. It has no advantages over the other weapons. you cant even combo to a rush attack without opening yourself up. It's also the weakest of the weapons at close range when it should be the most.
kind fiber
Yep
spring oyster
Also Aphrodite and Artemis seem to be the only late game build when fighting hydra...
kind fiber
It does have a massive damage to armored upgrade tho
indigo compass
merlin the double action hammer upgrade for sword is pretty neat
i believe thats what its called:p
spring oyster
Yeah i tried it, but thrust is kinda what the sword is built around for wall damage.
spring oyster
removing thrust for attack speed for a zeus buidl would be cool
kind fiber
The shield makes far more use of wall damage than the sword ever did
spring oyster
right
see. spear and shield both can fill the role that sword does, but they have a lot more versatility and perks where the sword has none.
Just an observation.
I'll play spear every run and shield for funsies and never touch the sword.
but i do want to enjoy all the weapons. ya know
indigo compass
yeah i kinda have the same problem as u:p although i had to get a kill with each weapon
kind fiber
Although the nova seems to be strictly worse than the charged spear attack
indigo compass
sword is very underwhelming imo
spring oyster
yes underwhelming indeed.
indigo compass
feels too much of a hassle
spring oyster
Maybe the game will have a blacksmith/upgrade vendor later to make permanent changes to weapons with darkness or keys or something.
indigo compass
even died to meg multple times when doin fine with other weapons
spring oyster
Any greek weaponsmiths who could take a trip to hades?
spring oyster
Or go completely meta with the joke... Have a bearded Kevin Smith... Voiced by Kevin Smith!!
๐
indigo compass
bow imo could use a rework too tho:p
it has good dmg potential but feels too tedious to me
and i dont dare using special at all
kind fiber
Bow's special might be useful if there was an upgrade that made the shots home in?
indigo compass
for its the recovery time afterwords
for me*
takes too long to be able to dash after use
kind fiber
Yeah the channel time is a little long, but if you could use it from a distance that could make it viable
final siren
This game. Is so effing good.
indigo compass
not if u have like armoured witches shooting 9 balls at u
mutliple ones from diffrent directions
winter current
Bows special has the same problem as the the swords special, they leave you too valuable for too long. I just wish you could dash out of them to cancel the attack.
indigo compass
not from the sides or back:p
final siren
Just regular spear his break the projectiles
indigo compass
its a cone
final siren
Not even Special
indigo compass
talkin bout bow
kind fiber
Yeah
indigo compass
spear is faster
final siren
Oh gotcha
indigo compass
and returns for backstab so its quite good
kind fiber
Well, when you get a good upgrade for it
exotic hazel
Bows special can lead to a pretty goofy build, but only if youre lucky
kind fiber
Yeah the bow's special needs more support than its currently getting
exotic hazel
Double special shots, crit chance, poseidon push, and deflect
You just mash q and nothing touches you
Throw on double wall damage and things just gib offscreen
lucid echo
I feel bow regular attack weak unless i take rapid fire. DPS so low. Thoughts?
turbid needle
nah it can quickly become very good imo
i'd never take rapid fire unless my base damage was absolutely huge
hushed ledge
imo rapid fire is a downgrade tbh
uneven shuttle
Bow with triple shot, piercing or a damage upgrade outpaces everything else
turbid needle
the extra damage on the precise shot is also good, especially with crit chance
lucid echo
I beat my first run with rapid fire plus Artemis crit dash. How do y'all usually run bow?
uneven shuttle
Triple shot + Artemis crit dash + Heartbreak Strike + flat boosts from Aphrodite, Artemis or Ares
dash + power shot
Really though, the only one that's absolutely irreplaceable is the Artemis dash.
Good thing about choosing an upgrade other than rapid fire, is that you don't need to worry about upgrading the Artemis dash.
Only need 1 attack per dash with power shots
kind fiber
Damn, I feel like im discovering all the funnest and most powerful stuff at once
neat shore
I salivated at that bow god rng
kind fiber
I'm shield dashing everywhere
neat shore
Can someone explain how Athena's defect works on specials? I feel like I get no bonus out of it when on bow
turbid needle
you just have to hit the attack projective or the enemy when they're attacking with the damage of the special
kind fiber
Yeah. Some specials have large aoes and that makes it really easy to hit a group of projectiles with a singular special cast
copper berry
I see someone was talkin smack about the bow earlier ๐
lucid echo
Do you also feel that orpheus bonus doesn't do anything with teh bow?
copper berry
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/347996352 I got a 9:58 run
well if i had to guess what it did it would be a 20% increase :^)
lucid echo
Barely any bonus. So hard to proc
copper berry
Yeah its not gr8
lucid echo
120% dream up in flames T.T
uneven shuttle
I feel like every time I come here someone starts talkin' smack about the bow
And I'm just like
wut
copper berry
Spear might be better than bow
for running
They are quite close
Bow better early, spear late
quaint gale
I can see that
copper berry
in that run I just end up getting +crit dmg and +crit dmg vs armor
copper berry
and then I just 1 shotted even the skeleboys
uneven shuttle
But is ultra RNG dependent
copper berry
That would make me want to die
lucid echo
Artemis Cast so janky. That arc radius T.T
quaint gale
that charge dash seems like it might be...super broken?
copper berry
its real broken on spear, pretty brokebn on bow
and for shield and sword itskinda meh
cuz their base dmg is dookie
Problem with cast run would be actually setting it up
cuz I dont want to see ANY other god there
lucid echo
charge dash did I miss that upgrade?
copper berry
nah its been there
so I need to go artemis keepsake, get cast, get the cast drop timer, and then multicast and try to pom it up
or i guess i dont need the cast drop if i can 1 shot em
quaint gale
I suppose you could also take the low chance of crit for all attacks as well if the game is being stingy
uneven shuttle
Yeah, that'd definitely help. So would Ares' +damage to all sources
vagrant mirage
So what is everyones favorite weapon?
I think the shield's great for most fights, the knockback can set up some fun things, especially with Poseidon's blessing on attack.
kind fiber
The spear and shield are pretty amazing
vagrant mirage
I have to say the only weapon I do not like is the sword
hot yoke
Special on sword is 'okay' as long as you master the dash timing with it
Since you can dash much, much sooner than you can move.
vagrant mirage
Its the only weapon that I have yet to beat Hydra with
turbid needle
i really love the sword, which is a shame because it aint great unless you get a lot of good boons
copper berry
the secret to beating hydra with sword
is to start with sword
and then go artemis cast build
uneven shuttle
Yeah, sword's special has a much longer cancelable disable than its uncancellable disable.
But I still think it's too slow, even then
vagrant mirage
But why do that When I can go with Poseidon cast build, with Help from Artemis too.
copper berry
less dmg!
uneven shuttle
@copper berry You can also use the double-hit dash attack with guaranteed crit from the getgo (if you get the hammer upgrade for it). Still not great, but doable
copper berry
i mean its aoe but still
vagrant mirage
Its great for clearing rooms
For closed area's you also get some good wall slams as well
uneven shuttle
Multi-shot is the thing that makes the Arty casting so good. Well, that and lockon.
You can just walk into a room and spam the button
copper berry
i just hate the way knockback works sometimes, especially in asphodel
you hit something and they dont die? welp they are launched to the end of the room
over the lava
good luck
hope you can pick up your cast!
uneven shuttle
I did a fast-swing sword build focused on nothing but knockback once
It actually WORKED in asphodel, because I guess there are walls out there somewhere beyond the lava
Then I got to hydra and did 20 damage per hit and just noped out
For the record, I had Poseidon's legendary for this
vagrant mirage
Worst part about knockback builds,
Good luck on bosses
uneven shuttle
So double knockback
sonic sail
shield and zeus lighting upgrades is pretty good too
vagrant mirage
What are all the Legendaries? I know Aphrodite's and Poseidon's, but never could find enough of the others.
sonic sail
ive gone the farthest with that
do i have to fight the valkarie everytime im going up btw?
vagrant mirage
Yeah, Meg's the floor boss
vagrant mirage
There is two small health pots in the room, if you didn't know
There is no third floor yet
sonic sail
yeah, i even got those, i was at like 18 hp when i entered
oh ok, i feel good then lmao
vagrant mirage
Hydra's as far as you can go, for now
sonic sail
you think there is any way for them to have 2 weapons equiped?
uneven shuttle
What's the name of the currency in this game again?
sonic sail
its just gold coins
uneven shuttle
I think it starts with an O
sonic sail
i dont know if it has a name
vagrant mirage
Darkness is the Permanent, other one is Odul (Obols?)
bold grotto
